#615 - Vanessa Carlton on Why She Opens Concerts with ‘A Thousand Miles,’ Performing with Drake & Her Career Journey - Bobby Bones Presents: The BobbyCast

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
His manager reached out to my manager and said, will
you come and sing at my show?

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Did you I was in rehearsal for a show.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
It was the same day as a show. I like
Drake like this is would be fun and goal, but
I can't do it.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Today's guest is Vanessa Carlton A Thousand Miles. That song rocks,
but her career goes way beyond that. Back in the day,
she started playing piano at two years old, spent the
last two decades constantly evolving, moving from pop success and
more personal indie records, performing on Broadway, even scoring film.

(00:43):
She has a new album out called Vales that is
out now. She's been on the robe Stevie Nicks. She
is currently on her Spring twenty twenty six US tour,
and she's playing the UK this summer. Big Fan, I
love Ordinary Day, I love A thousand Miles. Here she
is es the first time I've met her, Vanessa Carlton.
How many new songs?

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Do you play a lot of new songs?

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Actually, because I just was get I get you know,
you get sick of your songs and you want to
make it. You want to You're presenting some you're presenting
an experience.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
You know what you're you know what your.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
People want, and I it's just like, I don't want
to let people down, you know. And I don't tour
very often too, so I like, I really I know
what they There's so many different types of people in
my audience that I feel like, as long as I
get hit certain marks, I can do whatever I want,
and they're like they're with me, you know, and it's
just me and the piano. So I just for me too,

(01:40):
you know. I don't want to get bored, because if
I'm not bored, I'm in it. I put on a
better show show for everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
What are the marks? Do you feel like you have
to hit for them?

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Just the ones that I know are like fan favorites
of course a thousand miles and I open with.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
That that's funny, so you can be done with it.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Well, it's it's it's not just that it's all so
like because I've enjoyed singing that song recently. I don't
know how that happened, but you know what it is.
It's just I think understanding the reflection back from the
world and what it means to other people. And I
it's like, so I've been. I've actually really enjoyed singing it.
But the people that are coming just to check me

(02:18):
out that have no idea who I am or whatever,
or just wanted to come and get a clip of something.
It's like releasing that like you got it. You don't
have to stick like you know. It's like I want
to know that people are there because they want the
experience of the show.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Can I make a judgment off of something that you
just did?

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Whenever you said when you said a thousand miles, you
kind of roll dryes up.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
I rolled my eyes up. Yeah, you said a thousand miles.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Well like this like this when I do a thousand miles.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Oh my god, did you get that on camera? I
was looking at the light. I wasn't. I rolled my eyes.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
It was just kind of like a flutter up.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
That's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
I just wonder what you relate? So what is your
because of that? What I give you? A quick story?
I was talking to Kenny Chesney recently and he has
a song from beginning of his career and he's like,
I stopped playing it. I couldn't take it anymore, But
then he's falling in love with it again. He said,
because he hadn't played it in so long. Yeah, so
I heard you say that it felt a little bit
like that. Yeah, is that what it is?

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah, because I don't play it unless I'm on stage.
But this is why I'm scared now with this podcast. Well, no,
this is all podcast because people, this is the problem
with nowadays. No one has attention spans. They're going to
come in and clip Vanessa.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
I won't clip it.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yes, board and such a spoiled little cunt. She doesn't
like her big song.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Look at her, and you'll have like nine thousand, ninety
thousand people.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
I won't do it wrong. I'll clip this. You make
saying people are going to say this.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, not true, that's what you clip.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, because people don't care the context. People don't have
time for context anymore.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Have you noticed I have noticed yet.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
But life it's all about context. We're storytellers. It's all
about the full story, and we are living just like
in flashes. So I'm complaining about the phones again. Sorry,
but but anyway, Kenny Chesney, No, it's just.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
The same thing you said. I think that's a familiar.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Uh, I think it's a familiar version or season of
an artist. Career when they have something that blows up
love Oh my god, you know what, not so bad?
Possibly love again.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Well, because you have to go through this whole process
of like, oh my god, I'm so lucky this happened.
We're human beings, so we have a multitude of feelings
about it. It's just like what do you choose to
share with the world and what do you keep private?

Speaker 2 (04:49):
You know, sometimes I'm an oversharer, which I've learned.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
But also our relationship with music or anything we're doing
is constantly evolving. It's like, you know, we're changing, We're
just we're getting older. So I feel like the way
that we look at everything we do is changing as
you get older.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
You know.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
I think it's so fun that you played at the beginning.
Though for that reason, everybody can get it. They're not
waiting by their phone.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
They're not even well, we have a phone policy too,
which we don't have.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
We're not like super hardcore.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
We don't have like an envelope, but I do in
your I have been to I went to Amy Schumer's
show and I loved and they had the envelope and
it was a relief. It feels like a relief so
we don't offer that, but we do say, you know,
please don't bring your phone out or whatever.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Do you still see people sneaking it? Do you look
at it?

Speaker 1 (05:44):
I also see people sometimes you look up and you
just see people lighting on their phones, and I'm like,
how much did you pay for this ticket?

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Like it doesn't But.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Then they'll be like the most enthusiastic at the signing
and they wanted to be but they're weren't. They was
like they weren't even they don't even know they weren't
even there. Or maybe you just put on a bad
show and they're like, I cannot look at that. You know,
I don't know, but it's like, it's so curious to me.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Do you like your crowd to be lit or dark?

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Dark?

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Because it sounds like you notice what's happening out there.
I like my crowd to be so dark.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
I don't want to see them.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
There were times before I would go on and do
my stand up. If I could see them, I would
go back to light and guy be like I want
told them I love it totally down. I can't see
anything right because I will make judgments about myself based
on unfair right, unfair movements or actions in the crowd
that they may love it, but it doesn't look like
they love it, so I think they hate it. So
then I start to get neurotic about it.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Unfair movements, exactly. It feels like an unfair movement. It's
like you need the abyss I want. I want the
abyss I do. And I think they like it better too,
because it's more in a way, more formal. If you
can't see what other you get too distracted by what
someone's doing next to you too, and we have a

(07:00):
decline in manners in general at the moment, So I
think it's better if it's just we're dark, you know.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
I was lucky that we were able to say we
were I was doing stand up to do a special
because I did a special, so I could say no
recording because I don't want anything online because I don't
wan people like a joke can only be heard once,
but that's right, that's it, and then it's not funny anymore.
So it'd be like no phones out for that reason,
because if you record it, I can't use it anymore exactly.
So that part was great. I love it, and there

(07:26):
are not little fireballs being lit up out there, because
that's what a phone is when it's dark. It's like
you ever go to a movie and people are on
their phones? It's have you been to a recently at all?

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (07:35):
I saw the last movie I saw was Avatar one,
Sydney Avatar one. It may have been one.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
I could.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
I started crediting at the whales. I can't deal with
the whales, and Sydney was like laughing at me. I
was like, I can't. I can't really go to the
movies anymore. It's like overly emotional. But yes, I did
see someone open their phone and it's like a wows we.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Went wow like a month ago. The whole guy was
on the phone the whole time and it's just a
big light in the room. Get out of here. Once
a person was on a phone and was talking. I
don't know about looking at me if you can tell them,
I'm not much of a fighter. I know, you mean
an outward fighter like physical right, But this dude would

(08:20):
not stop on his phone and talking, and so I
was like, sh I'm going to and then he kept
on and I was like, be quiet. So I said
this thinking it's fully dark. They're not even know where
be quiet's coming from.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Wait, were you in the movie theater?

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah? Yeah, so I'm like, be quiet, and so then
I get a little nervous that I'm making a beat
up after the movie, but I was. I had a
little rage in me because it's like, you're being so
rude to everybody. And also I thought it was hidden
as to where I was where it was coming from.
So like three times I'm like quiet, light comes on.
I was yelling at like a seven year old girl.
The whole time. You were sounding like a seven years

(08:56):
old No, the person I was yelling at was like
a seven year old girl. It wasn't adult man. Yeah,
so I was never going to get beat up. But
then I was also yelling at a seven year old girl,
and I was that was embarrassing.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Was she with her dad?

Speaker 3 (09:09):
It wasn't her dad though it was her.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
No, but she was with This is exactly what I'm
talking about. This is exactly what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, anyway, I could complain about phones all day, so
you don't, but we share this.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
If you play new music, how much new music you
play whenever? I mean that was the original question here,
Like this on this record, you're going to play How
many songs from the record would you play if you're
doing a show.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Well, it's interesting because I sort of have to relearn
the songs in a manner that works for piano vocal.
So I wrote them all on the piano and then
I we arranged them Dave and John and I. I
worked with Dave Fridman on this record, who is a
great producer, and he's a great studio in forre Donia
and he's like you people know him most for first

(09:55):
of all, he's in Mercury Rev great band, and he
produced all the Flaming Lips records and then most recently
like MGMT, and then he's a bunch of newer stuff.
But I'm so out of it that I don't so.
But we arrange and create all these melodies and layers
in the studio, and then I have to go by

(10:16):
if I'm going to touring just me in the piano.
It's like I have to re learn the song in
a manner that's incorporating some of the stuff that we
created we did in the studio, you know. So for me,
it's like what works best like that from the record, But.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
I play like Agony of the Flower.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
I play Veils, play I'm Not Dead, I play woke
a Pie, I play Animal, I play a lot, I
play a lot of stuff from Veils, and everyone's seems
to like it.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
So what is your favorite songs to play period? Right now?

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Great House?

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Why?

Speaker 1 (10:57):
I think just emotionally, it hits me the most. I
think in my grandfather it's like, it's it's, it's that's
the song for me right now?

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Does it make any emotional think about it?

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah, it is emotional, and it's like, I don't know,
maybe it's just this time in my life been forties
that when I reflect on childhood and what form what
forms us, like the experiences that form us, it's it's
it is really emotional to go back and see how

(11:34):
this all works.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
I want to ask a really self indulgent question that
I didn't even think about until right now, because you
and I were talking about Counting Crows before we started this.
My favorite band ever, great band?

Speaker 1 (11:47):
On?

Speaker 3 (11:48):
I think the Hard Candy album. You run the extra
track at the end. Oh, I forgot about that. And
when that record first came out, you had to hold
the CD down to get it to skip through because
it was this track. Oh did Jony Mitchell.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Oh my god, see I missed because it well, you
didn't have to hold it down.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
You can wait, okay, twelve if you don't wait twelve
minutes in silence.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Twelve minutes, that's how far you put it in. Yeah,
it was very They didn't like that. I don't know,
twelve minutes.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Whatever it was, it could not have. The last song
ends in five minutes, goes by, and then it starts
to play.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
I think it's sixty seconds.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
I would bet you it's longer than that. That's a
bet I would take.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
We'll have to ask Adam. He'd be like, what what
are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (12:32):
But then that song became like a single on a hit?
Was that not? Was that not going to be a single?

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah? I don't know. They just asked me to sing
on it.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Did you like singing on that one?

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Well, I just play that one.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
It was like no, and it was I I was.
I sang it on the road in Florida and I
never got to meet them.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
I didn't meet them until after. I didn't meet Adam
till after you.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Sing in the studio on their own? Yeah, how'd you
feel about?

Speaker 1 (13:00):
I was so excited to be asked if sing with
the canting crows, Are you kidding? August? And everything after.
I was like, I couldn't believe it. It was really cool.
But even in the video I never got admitted it
was all separate said the same thing. I was like,
I don't know, like it'd be nice to meet him someday,
you know, like so, But then we did meet and

(13:22):
we're friends. He's just I mean, years have gone by
where I haven't spoken to him, but he's just he's a
good guy.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
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and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
I've been listening to your record the last at least
the last week with you coming in. I want to
ask a question. This is not gonna be everybody watching
just listened for it one second. They have at use
a lot of synth? Is it more synth than normal?

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (13:58):
I thought when I was listening to this, right, especially
if you just start from track one. I didn't hit jumble,
I just hit from down it. It felt like a
lot of synth early on. Did you use more synth
than this than your last records?

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Oh my god, I'm trying to remember the name of her.
I love the sound. What is It's something bones. It's
something Bones. That's the name of the synth sound and
it's on the Nord.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Oh my god, But I'm not crazy, right, like used
like a significant amount of synths. I like the sound
of this record.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
It's keys. It's like just changing the tone of the keys.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
I saw Ben Folds play a whole concert with his
little synth player. It was one of the most concepts
I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
What did he play? Which is like a key?

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yeah, like word yes, but one of those very small
I don't.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Oh, okay, that's.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
It's probably like a very authentic synthesizer like the Nord.
When I talk about the Nord, it's it's mimicking the
sounds of like those you know, eighties synth sounds.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Is it like a ganjo? It's not really a banjo,
but it's a guitar with so it sounds like a banjo. No, no,
so it's but it doesn't. Yeah, if you go so deep,
I don't know, like you lost me with that description,
but I oh, I did, yeah a little bit. When
you sound a very cynthy.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
I'm not a very tech person either, so don't that's
like probably the threshold of what I know. But I
know there's there's there's real synthesizers. I mean, is there
a real but this is this is now the math
side of things, you know, the more tech side of things.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
So I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Are you able to hear something and like see it
and then play it back and weird? My wife has
the ability to see to hear a word and see
it in her head backward and she can spell everything backward.
And then I have some friends musically that can hear
stuff and then they but they see either numbers or colors.
Do you have anything like that?

Speaker 2 (15:47):
No?

Speaker 1 (15:48):
But if I my memory works in a way where
like my strongest memory is melody.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Hear it, you remember it for I remember.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
I'll remember it over someone telling a story, like you know,
it's just my strongest point of memory is.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Melodic.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Would you ever remember stuff in school and put a
melody melody to things so you can remember it?

Speaker 1 (16:15):
That would have been helpful, That would have I didn't
think of that, Like singing for young kids, don't they
they sing?

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Well, think about the alphabet?

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yeah, and they just changed that recently. Did you know
that they changed the melody of it?

Speaker 2 (16:32):
They changed the melody of the alphabet of ABC.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah to what because it used to be element op Yeah,
and now element They kids sneak as elemento as a word.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
So they written my favorite word.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
They they've changed Yeah, they've changed it up. I want
to see your first pitch.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Why would they change it up? Just explain what it is.
I'm upset about this.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
If this is real, Okay, let's see. Okay, watch are
you watching him? Watch my first pitch?

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Vanessa Carr film m first Yeah, pitch.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
See what AI says?

Speaker 3 (17:04):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (17:06):
Singer songwriter Vanessa Carlton throughout the ceremonial first Pitch, May Fir,
twenty twenty six. Oh you just did this recently. You
still got it? Then the event took place in Bush Stadium.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
I still got it. Yes.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
It coincided with her Veils Eastern US tour social media coverage.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
No, it is what.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Her throat was well received when Carlton herself expressed that
she exceeded her own expectations.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
What's that I did not say that? Oh yeah, maybe
I did say something like that. No, what did I say?

Speaker 2 (17:37):
I don't know. Did I exceed my own ex victory?

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Did you play ball as a kid? At all.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yes, I did exceed my own expectations, but I didn't
say that. So what I'm saying is AI changed what
the social media said every single time because I'm testing.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
I'm watching it.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
I tested the overview.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
Oh, here we go, pitch. Okay, you didn't even bounce it.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
You didn't hear what he said?

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Wait, listen down the middle.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Don't you hear what he said about me? I couldn't wow.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
And you were back on the mound. Yeah, like you
didn't even take the cheap way out.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
I hit what one calls a I mean I hit
when did I ever have it?

Speaker 1 (18:22):
I threw what one calls a moon ball according to Google.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
I didn't think it was very moony. I thought it
was good.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Oh is that? What is moon bad? No?

Speaker 3 (18:31):
I just means it's up high. Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Well, because my godson is a really good baseball player
and he's he's like eight, and he just I was like, Sebastian,
how do I not embarrass myself? Like?

Speaker 2 (18:42):
What do I do? He's like, just go for it,
go for the arc.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yeah, most people balance it because they think it's shorter
than it is. Why did you agree to do that?

Speaker 1 (18:53):
I just was like I thought it was a cool
thing to do, and I thought I think I was
I was an idiot, because after I did it, I
was like, wow, this could have been so much more
embarrassing than I ever thought.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
First pitch, because I've thrown out a few. There's really
no gain from them, but there's always a lot of
shame if you don't hit it. Because they they exactly
on the internet forever it's Fords sing the national anthem
and they say listen, they love the country, but they
don't like singing the national anthem because if you nail it,
there's no massive benefit. People aren't celebrating you, but if
you mess it up, you're tortured.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
That is a perfect analogy. It's just like the national anthem.
So wait, how is your throws? How are your pitches?

Speaker 3 (19:35):
They were good?

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Am I losing credibility because I'm saying throws?

Speaker 3 (19:38):
No? Okay, no, you threw it really well.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
All I can thank you. All I can say is
after leaving that field, I was like, under no circumstance
do I ever want any of these guys.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
To throw a ball at me? Never, because I will
throw a ball at them.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
You watch them throw Yeah, it's that's scary.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yeah, you got to get out of there.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Did you play sports as a kid Soccer?

Speaker 1 (20:03):
I was really into ballet, so but I wanted I
liked soccer, and I played a little softball. But then
I got an injury when I was playing soccer, and
I was like getting in the way of my ballet classes.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
So I just I dropped it.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
How long did you dance?

Speaker 1 (20:20):
I danced from one like I could start moving until
I sort of quit the School of American Ballet when
I graduated at seventeen.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
You danced until seventeen.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
And then I took I still took open classes, but
I never danced professionally.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Wow, But I just that's what I went to school
for ballet.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
So I've only danced one time one day. Nope, one time.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
I danced one day.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
Oh well, I dance in high school a little bit.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Can you waltz?

Speaker 3 (20:51):
I won Dancing with the Stars.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
You won Dancing with the Stars like.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Six seasons ago. I've never danced. I don't watch so no,
I never watched it either, but I'm saying I did it.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
That's incredible.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Yeah, I've never danced, so my waltzing I was crash course.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Right, I Oh my god, respect were you so sore?

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yeah, it was it was bad. There was a woman
that's going on this season and I saw an interview
with her. She said she was going to be a
blank slate. She didn't want to learn anything. And I
understood that, but I made a little video kind of
responding to it. I said, hey, if you know the fundamentals,
I didn't even know what an e AC count was. Okay,
so I knew nothing. But and I'm in good shape.
But there's a difference in dancing shape and good shape.

(21:29):
That is correct, because you can only learn it so
much as your body takes. And doing that show my calves,
my back, they would kill me good for a year.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah, it was a wild trip and you won one,
Well aren't you.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
You're a musician, so you would know it's it's all
it's it's all about what you hear.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
You would think that's how you move. You would think
I'm going to check, I'm going to google.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
I don't encourage you not to as much as I
wanted you. First, What was the song I danced for
three months?

Speaker 1 (22:01):
No?

Speaker 2 (22:01):
But what was the winning?

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (22:03):
I don't know how it works?

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Okay, So how it works is. I think there are
like maybe ten weeks of competition and every week they
kick somebody off. Yeah, and so I my first dance
was a jive, which was very a very athletic type dance.
I didn't know much about the job jumping. It was
munch of like kicks oh oh.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Like a like the yeah, like a little bit of
a swing dance. Is it right or no? Okay?

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Sure. My only dance experience is like that twelve weeks
on the show.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
My God, but a lot of it. It's crazy, Thank you.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
I learned how to waltz good. I learned how to
hear that. The final song was from the Greatest Showman
that we did. It was like the big and it
was pretty cool. I threw my hat into the crowd
out of I wore a full white suit. There was
three of us in the finals. Heye four. But at
the end I was so excited. I threw my hat
into the crowd. And when that show started, they put

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the odds out. You could bet I was last. I
had the worst odds. There were like seventy year olds
had to higher me, and so.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
That's probably why you won. You're like all right, mother.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Yeah, can you can't get say whatever you want.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
I was gonna say a fuck her.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
He did, Yeah, you got it. And then I threw
my hat into the crowd and whomever caught the hat
mailed it back to me like three months and said,
I think you'll want this. You won the show. I
saved it and they mailed it back to me. I
don't know who it was, but how amazing was that gesture?

Speaker 2 (23:21):
That is amazing. That is his That's actually stunning what
you just said.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
I thought it was super nice too.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Who is your partner?

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Her name is Sharana. She was a pro dancer. She's
from Australia and she's a drill sergeant. And that's what
it's what it was. It's what I needed because I
knew nothing.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
I love it. I love this.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yeah. And so you dance until seventeen?

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Do you ever dance now?

Speaker 5 (23:44):
Like?

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Do you have it in you still?

Speaker 2 (23:45):
I have danced in my house. But I was just talking.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
I talk about this in my shows lately because it's
like I can't tell if people have like really significantly
stopped dancing. I feel like people don't dance. People don't
feel as free in public anymore because everyone has their phones.
So you know, back in the nineteen hundred's when I
was born, it's like were we just we felt free.
It's nineteen eighty yeah, so no one's watching you except

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the people in the room, and you could dance like
you know.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
That's why I love Nashville too. I don't know if
it's affected Nashville because I don't live here anymore, but
I wonder if people dance as much here too, you know,
not for the phones, like just you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
It's funny to watch the old festivals in the nineties
because it'll pop up my algorithm because I love the music.
But what you notice first off is not phone And
I'm not a phone hater per se. I'm really not,
but you definitely notice the difference where it's not everybody
doing this, it's people just like watching the show.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
I think it will come back, it will temper off.
I'm hoping, or what's the word I mean, I just
I hope it like corrects itself, like people correct it
like social as a social movement, like they know, just
does everybody start noticing that they're a little bit less
happy or a little bit less engaged with like the

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present moment, I don't. I feel like it could. We're
so social. I feel like we're going to correct ourselves.
Is that because we get so fatigued of it?

Speaker 2 (25:22):
I think so. I think it's fit will be fatigue.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Actually, there are certain things like the Master's Golf Tournament.
They don't allow phones, and people that go to that
actually love it exactly. Now. They're not saying they wouldn't
use their phones if they had them, but they love
being told you can't use your phones because there's something
freeing about it. We didn't have phones at our wedding.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Great.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Yeah, we put them in bags, and I think everybody
loved it. Great, But you have to take them or
people aren't going to do it.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
That's where we're at. But people like it, They're like,
take it.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
I think there's probably something for like a bar restaurant,
a no phone bar restaurant, like you can't have it
out of it, like you check it in. I think
that would be something that people would like to go.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
To because then people will start organically dating again because
I you know, I know we're here to talk about
other things, but I'm just saying, like dating apps.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
I this is.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Way after my time, Like I never would have I
don't think I ever would have done it anyway hypothetically.
But this was people would just talk to each other
like there was no apping for dating. Is apping a word?

Speaker 2 (26:26):
I don't know it is.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
I wish that dating at apping had like full background
checks on it though.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
See, this is crazy. How can you know so much
about someone before saying hello? There's like so much judgment
before you even say hi, or like go up to
someone and what's up?

Speaker 2 (26:43):
You know.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
I was talking to a friend that just got on
an app, and I've been married now for almost five years,
so it's been a long time since I've been on
the apps. But she was saying that it's wild to her.
She's been married for probably ten years or so, and
so she's single again. She's back on the app, and
she said, it's wild how people will just stop talking
ghost Like you have these conversations and all of a sudden,
the person just goes away and it's like super.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Ghost yeah, and it's all typed, it's all texting, yeah,
because I you know, I remember the days where a
guy would come over and like drop his number on
a little ripped white piece of paper and you were
supposed to just call a stranger, which I never did,
but I had respect for whoever did that.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
You know, and I had an answering machine.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
That's a tough part of being a guy.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
But this is important. This is important. That's really courageous.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
That's a hard part about being a dude. The expectation
of doing the cold calling, on saying hi.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
To the girl terrifying. Now extra extra terror now right,
it's so easy. You've got this guy.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
You can DM anybody now DM.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
I know I know about dms. That's not how I
met my husband. You don't have to date to no
direct message. That means just.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
How did you guys? Oh?

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Actually, well, there is a Twitter component to the story,
but it's irrelevant. Really, it's like sort of relevant. I
had just figured out my Twitter because I'm very untie,
Like I don't like my phone.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
I wouldn't say hate either, but I really just it's
so distracting to me, like I've lived too long a
life without it, Like I don't like. I mean, there's
things I do like about it. But so I was
figuring out my Twitter, and I was looking through a
Twitter like people at like coming at me. You know
when they at you, what is it interaction? And it
was from the deer Tick account and did my husband's

(28:47):
in a band in Dear Tick? My now husband and
I had it was like, HEYVC, let's get a beer
or some or something. And I was I actually thought
I had met someone in that band at Newport Folk
because I had just been there the weekend before. And
so I called my friend Patrick, who was who I
was there partying with him. He sent that he's the

(29:08):
drummer in my morning Jacket and I was like, do
have we meet somebody in Dear Tick last weekend? And
he was like no, but I know John from deer Tick.
And I was like, oh cool, Like I don't know
who this is, but can you find out like who
this is? And he was like, well, the only person

(29:29):
I know in Dear Tick is John and I don't
know him very well, but I know that I will
know him forever.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
And so I was like, well, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Just so anyway, cut to I was introduced to John
through Patrick, and that's the beginning and the end of
the story.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
But it is through Twitter because you wouldn't have known
had you not got a DM.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Well, I it wasn't a DM it was.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
It was a reply.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, but I would have met him through Patrick I think,
or that band because they were all I don't know.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Maybe you're right, Maybe you're right.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Interest in you from that at reply you may not
have known that had you met him otherwise in this situation,
wasn't right. I'm not trying to say your marriage is
based on Twitter.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
I'm just because I don't want to think that.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Then don't we can just move on.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
I don't want to think. I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
I don't think it was really past because my point
is it's through friends. I think people meet people best
through friends.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
I met my wife through a friend, see sort of.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
You're very nineteen hundreds.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah, we did meet organically.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
I how did you meet her?

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Well?

Speaker 3 (30:39):
I was on American Idol for four years as like
the main mentor for all the contestants nice and so
I got to know my PR person really well because
I'm from Arkansas, she's from Oklahoma, and we were just
like two he'llbillys in LA and so we became really
good friends. And then when I went to do Dancing
with the Stars, I won. I came back the next
season and she's like, I have a friend here that
I knew from college and Lahoma, and so I met

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her through my friend and so we met like real people.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
And she saw you dance all those dances.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
No, it was I went back the next season. No,
she would never married me.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
No.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Did you ask her if she saw you dance?

Speaker 3 (31:14):
She did nothing. She didn't watch the show.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
You know that for sure?

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Okay, yeah, I know my mom doesn't doesn't watch TV.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Really okay, No, I get I understand her her.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Yeah, she didn't, and I'm glad she didn't. But I
met through a real life person because I tried the apps.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
I think it's real life people. I just want to
I'm with you, in my opinion.

Speaker 5 (31:36):
The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby Cast.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Do you live on a farm or something?

Speaker 2 (31:53):
No, I love donkeys.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Well, no, that's I have a hog, a big like
copper hog in there. That's a have Alena, right, it's
a razorbag. Yeah, they smell. That one doesn't smell. And
I said, you can take it as a joke. You
can take a picture with the hog. And you said, no,
I see them all the time.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Did you say hog?

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (32:14):
I thought you said, have you were doing. I thought
you were doing a the pig in there. I thought
you knew havevelena so well that you call it a
half well, I think it is a have alena.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
It's a razorbag.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
What's a razor Let me tell you they smell so bad.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
But so anyway, I've been going to this ranch since
i was two years old. I was just telling Casey
about this because my father's a pilot, and since I
was very young, he has to go renew his license
into San Arizona every year, sometimes twice a year. And
my mom, who at this point had like multiple children,
She's like, I cannot stay in this hotel while my

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husband is in class all day, just sitting with these
children in this hotel, and so she down this ranch
nearby where we could learn to ride, and it's called
the Tanky Verdi Ranch. So I've been going there since
I was two years old. I'm actually and now I
take my daughter. I'll be going back there in October.
But whenever they have the cookouts, the havelina's come and

(33:17):
they're scavengers, but they're really and the moms are so
territorial too, so you need to stay away.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
And they smell like you're in.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
I don't know if that was Avelena or not.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
I'm pretty sure that is a male. I actually don't
know if it's male or female, but that is a
large Helena.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Would you google if a razorback? Same thing the Haveleena?

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Mike, Yeah, I want to know what razorback is.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
Well, I have probably Havelena. So I'm from Arkansas, where
the Razorbacks. So that's our mascot. Oh yeah, that's why.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
So you see those a lot.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
The odd thing is we don't have them in Arkansas.
I know. Were originally the Cardinals, and then we were
told you guys played like a bunch of crazy like Razorbacks,
so they changed our school mascot.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
So that's a compliment. Though crazy crazy razorback.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
They're different things.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Do they look different?

Speaker 3 (34:13):
They look similar?

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Now I need to see the picture.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
I might have a Haveleena. Think, and you're the one
that told me we both we both have brought bad
news to each other in a week.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Look, m no, the one on the left is the Havelena.
I think he will confirm when I leave.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
You don't look because I don't want to not I
don't want to know. That's the wrong hog, it'll do
me bad.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Really. Yeah, So I will just find out for myself,
and I'm not going to tell you.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
I'm never going to.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Look it up, Casey, and I will find out.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Well, you said that's a matter of fact, like you
were a hog expert.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Well, I I just I really know how, Alena. I
know I'm not a hog expert at all.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
See, you ride horses.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
I do you ride horse? Well enough? I could run,
I can, we can go fast.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
You're falling off a horse, so fat I have. I
got clothesline of my uncle's land. He hit a bunch
of horses and the horse we would ride bare back.
We just jumped on them and went under a clothesline.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Oh my god, horse, But you're a bare back. I've
never done bare back.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
It's not respect, No, it's not respected. It's like, let's
just get on the horses.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
But I love that, and the horses are like, get
the fuck.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
It's literally what they write. I'm just gonna run and
that's why we're running. Yeah, I got it. I respect
that you've fallen off a horse for broken.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
And gotten thrown. No.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
I thought I broke my back one day, but I
woke up fine. I was so happy that morning that.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
You were fine or that was fine.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, I think riding horses, it's one of my most
favorite things. Like I love horses, I love them. I
also love donkeys. No, this is this is what's interesting
about the donkey thing. This is like sort of a
social media thing. Okay, I feel like I have relationships

(36:16):
because I'm not on Instagram anymore, but I like, I've
filled my what's it called my filled my cup. But
I had a number of donkeys that I would follow,
like people that have farms, like rescue farms, and they're
like mini donkeys and they're just I just love their
faces and they're crazy sound that they make. So you know,
that's weird. Like that's just something that I discovered through

(36:39):
my phone. Like I've never you know, I don't even
think i've met a donkey.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Have you met a donkey? Yes, Okay, I.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Don't know if you actually meet a donkey.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
I've never met a doctor because there's no donkeys at
the ranch.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Yeah, lots of donkeys, lots of mules.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Difference, Yes, there are some mules.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Mules and half horse half donkeys.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
It's different.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Crazy those two animals can mate. Even though they're very close.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Well, there's sort of similarish enough ish, I can see it.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Yeah. Do you think we talked about donkeys on the
podcast today?

Speaker 2 (37:14):
We are talking about you know, do you.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Think that'd be where we go at all?

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Oh? I don't know. Wait, so you're I don't know
what's happened.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
How do you get your donkey filled?

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Then?

Speaker 3 (37:21):
If you're not on Instagram anymore?

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Well, that's why I said I want a donkey. The
thing is, well, yeah, I have seen I do look
at I do look them up still sometimes are.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
You on TikTok at all?

Speaker 1 (37:34):
No?

Speaker 2 (37:38):
I don't like it, not even I don't like it.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
But you have people though do your stuff for you.
So yes, what if you get like a really cool
DM from somebody that's like, I'm a big fan of DM.
Yeah you wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
They would tell you, no, don't DM me.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
The how someone's wanting?

Speaker 2 (37:58):
No one's d.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
What. How's someone supposed to get a hold of you? Then?

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Through? I don't through?

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Who's somebody you mean? Like I say, Drake like it's
a manager reaches a manager. That's like the nineteen hundred's
that's always how it is.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Right, Drake did hit her up Drake did hit you up?

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Really?

Speaker 6 (38:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Oh I didn't. I didn't know that. I literally just
picking somebody out of the Oh did you think I
knew that?

Speaker 2 (38:25):
I guess yeah, no, No, I just did thin aired Drake.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
I was like, who's the biggest it'd be get weird
to see him and saying I'm a fan.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
It's his manager reached out to my manager instead, do
you want to Will you come and sing at my show?

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Did you?

Speaker 2 (38:41):
I did?

Speaker 1 (38:42):
In the end, I actually couldn't do it, And then
he and I was in rehearsal for a show like
it was the same day as his show, so I
was like, this.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Is like cool.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
I like Drake, like this is would be fun and goal,
but I can't do it. And then they he they
asked a few more times, no, non DM.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
They send the plane. That doesn't make a lot of you.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
They did not send a plane, but they did do
a nice plane, a nice airline seat.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Very nice and I slept very nice.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Was it at Drake's show?

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Drake show?

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Like you came out and played during his show? Yeah,
that's cool.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
It was cool.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Do you play with ears or without ears? When you
do something like.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
That, that's a great question. I so, I'm so, I'm really
a classical I've come from more of the classical world
of music.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Really, even though I.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Love rock and roll, I love singer songwriters, I love,
but much more acoustic world. And so inter ears for me,
it's like it's a little bit like hell, I have
to get used to it. So but for something like that,
you have to do interiors.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
You know. I just did another thing with inter ears.
What did I do?

Speaker 6 (39:53):
I saw you with Teddy Swims that wass too Oh
my god, And like the first thirty seconds, I'm like,
I can't get my head around the sound or what's happening,
and the and the the my hair I thought was
gonna go on my mouth, you know.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
I'm like, I'm just not. But if I have monitors,
I'm like, I know what's going on, you know. So
it's just it's I have to like learn it, relearn it.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Monitors feel real, like like the time time is real,
Like yes, I'll do comedy with music, like I'll play comedy.
And if I do inter ears, like if I have
a bigger band behind me and I'm having to new
ears in comedy, it's not the same because I need
the timing and the laughs to go. So it's hard ears,
it's a whole it's almost like a different animal.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Completely will exactly because you're not getting the react you're
not getting when you perform. It's such a it's all
cause and effect, like you're constantly being affected by the
reaction to what you're doing, whether you know it or not.
And it's just even just that sounds like I'm here
with you all like, and so when that's covered up, it's.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Like pretend it. It's just a skill.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
But you know, even when we would mic the crowd,
like we played festivals, we mike the crowd, it's just
a it's a half second delay, which does again affect everything.
I know.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
You're like, that wasn't that funny? Oh it was funny.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Yeah, I'm already in the scond joke. I hate myself
for a half second like that bomb.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yes, it's the timing. What do we do?

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Do you know how to tune a piano?

Speaker 2 (41:21):
No, I don't. I hire two nurse.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
I only asked that because I know how to tune
a guitar, But to play a guitar, you have to
learn how to tune a guitar. Otherwise you're traveling around
going like, I don't know how to tune this guitar
correct piano. You don't know how to piano? You ever
thought about learning that?

Speaker 1 (41:36):
I've asked because I'm always I'm very curious about their
different techniques, because tuners have different techniques. Some use like
this rhythm, like this metronome to like measure the waves
of the tone of the note. That was Mesha, He's
such a great tuner. He's in New York. And then Larry,

(41:57):
he's all by ear. He's my tuner in Rhode Island.
But they have different It's an art.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
It's an art is by name. I really respect the tuning.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Oh my god, Well, I'm nothing without without them. You
are nothing without a piano tuner.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
I am something. I don't need a pian You said
that like you were telling me.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
I'm like, I am nothing without a piano tuner.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
It's funny that you you give them probably their flowers,
in the way that I give a book editor flowers,
because until I wrote started writing books, I don't know
how to write. I just started writing books, and I
didn't know the art of an editor.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Right.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
It's wild because I need to read one in your
books against the dance.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
I'm going to read it.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
It's like the dance stuff.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
You're good, but I didn't you know, to watch the dances.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Watch the dance while reading the book. It'll really fill
your cup.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
That's too hard for me, but I will.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
I didn't know what an editor really did. Thought maybe
they just told you there's a typo. But there is
an art. Yes, something that I until I'm nothing thing
without my editors. Yeah, until I started doing it, that
I didn't appreciate and now I get it.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Do they like it's like a not a captain, but
they shape, they help you shape.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
It, and they direct you at times.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Right, you're like, don't go down this path. This is
a bad path for you. We need to go we
need to come back this more. It's like more more
of this or less of this. That's mostly it's what
she would do a lot of times.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Because I had never written a book, and so when
I had signed my first deal, I I was so
scared to even take the money. Oh my, I understand.
I understand that, and I didn't for a while. And
I said, instead of giving me the advance, because I
think it was like one hundred thousand dollars or something.
In my first book. I said, it's a lot. It's

(43:47):
a lot for a lot. I said, I don't feel
like I'm you're gonna like this, So I'm going to
write half of what and then if you still want it,
I will take the money.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Good for you.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
And so I wrote that much and they said, we
still want it. This is weird for they said, but
we still want it. And then she stepped in and
it was like love this expand, expand, and I was like, man,
there's a real art to this.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
I love this.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
I thought, this is like a piano tuner.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
And you wanted that, and but you wanted them to
know you first.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
I wanted them to not be disappointed.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
In who you are.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Yeah, the wild insecurity is involved there obviously, Well.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
No, but it makes so much sense because we are
all being interpreted by other people. So you never know, like,
does anyone really know who we are? You know, the
people close to us do. But people that are coming
and offering you something, are wanting to work with you,
that don't know you. They are interpreting you in their way,

(44:47):
and you're just never really sure how what they think
of you, you know, And.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
I did know that was that pretty hefty advance for
someone who had never written a book.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
And you're like, you're give me too much money?

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Yeah, how was like, I don't want to. I want
to make sure it's worth it to you guys, And
so that's what we did. But then I really learned
the value of having a book editor.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Yeah you're tuner, see you get it.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Would you ever tour? Do you tour the tuner or
do you just go somewhere with the new piano?

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Everywhere piano? Excuse me?

Speaker 1 (45:19):
And they get a tuner every day.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
Your piano gets tuned every day.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Like before the show. Yeah, yeah, it has to be tuned.
You don't want me, you don't want to play an
aut of tune piano. And look, I love like parlor
granny pianos, like the pianos the uprights, they have so
much character and they're like twangy and stuff, but those
are still tuned. Like you know, you don't want an
attitude piano.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Just saying if you see a piano, do you ever
just sit down and play in a public place?

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Depends on where it is, but yeah, I feel a draw.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Would you ever sit down and go like just today? Oh?
You never do like a hit.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Of course I'm not going to do that. I'm working
on you're working on other things. Yeah, I know, but
that was that was also written in the nineteen hundreds.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Yeah, I think I'd go back to the world that
sometimes I just get in the middle of them all and.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Dance even thing, do you really though?

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Never? No, But I'm not good. That's not like a
skill of mine. I'm not good.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
I can Yeah, what.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Well, I just think, you know, not to like bring
this conversation into having to be about mushrooms. But I
also think that sometimes people when they eat mushrooms, like
they will do the thing that they actually deep down
want to do but feel like they can't.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
So I was just when you said.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
I wouldn't dance in the mall, I thought, you know what,
Immediately I thought, I think if Bobby like ate a
little some a little bit of mushroom, I bet he
would dance in the mall.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
But I have no idea what I'm talking about, because
I don't really know.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
I've really wanted to try lsd or like a halloo like. Yeah,
because I'm so regimented, Yeah, hyper regimented, Like I in
hearing people talk about how it's just or have friends
that have been ketamine.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
And I want I can't, yeah, and they just.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Talk about what like what a break it is, and
at the same time, like how in touch you get
with yourself, right, and like I get jealous of them
just being able to be free enough to do to
try that.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because well I did I ate a
little peote once many years ago, and I do think
maybe it's in my head. I can't, I don't know,
but I think it's it's affected when when I feel joy,
it's it's always it's like deeper, it's like a deeper
sense of joy. Maybe it wore off though, I don't know,

(47:51):
but I was. I was visiting my friend in Mexico
and like she has like this medicine man that like
comes down from the mountain and she's like, there's some
cool stuff we need to try and ask and I was,
you know, so I'm down to like in a natural
setting like that, like you know, foraging, like something that's
not going to kill you or make you throw up,
Like I'll try it. It's disgusting. And then I felt

(48:13):
like real it was sort of amazing, an amazing experience,
and I was like Okay, that was cool.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
I'm good with that. I can move on.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Like, that's what happened with laughing gas. I'm not joking
because I've never try alcohol or anything, and so when
I do laughing gas the dentist, I'm not exaggerating. Oh right,
that's where I felt like, I felt like I understood
love for the first time. Yeah, I was so high
on laughing gas talk that earth was black.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
It was black.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
I felt like I was floating but I couldn't see anything.
But I was like, oh, love is all that matters.
But like, I had that feeling while at the dentist,
and that's the only I've ever had it like that.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
I'm so happy for you.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
Yeah, it was a really a great thing. When I
came back, I was very sore, but while it was happening, right,
it was awesome.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Right, that's what a contradiction life is, a contradiction. That's
so cool that that happened for you. But that's exactly
what I mean. Like people will have that moment. People
don't need anything to have that moment. Sometimes maybe they're
just that enlightened. But I think some of us need
a little boost sometimes that I'm not encouraging drugs. Sorry,

(49:20):
but you know it's a natural. He had it at
the dentist. You had the dentist.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Yeah, do you eat pot? Yeah? Is it like a plant?

Speaker 2 (49:29):
It's like a brown.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
It was like a chunky brown, is it. I don't
know what it is. I don't know what it is.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
It was like a pie.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
No, I wasn't a pie.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
Yeah, yeah, that would be fun. I just feel like
I got on. I was taking sleeping pills at one
point in my life, had some real security things. I
got like jumped at work, had held gun point. It's
a whole thing, right, So I had had a few
things things in a row, and so I was really
having trouble sleeping. And I tried a lot of stuff,
and my doctor was like, we can try sleeping pills.

(50:05):
And I tried them for a bit, but I would
not remember things like I would take them and maybe
not fall asleep on time, and then I would look
on my phone and yeah, I was just like damn
and facetiming people.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
I didn't know what happened to me.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
I drove off with the gas pump in my car once,
just like where you drive off it and I can't
take that no. I was like, I know, I stopped.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
I had, you cannot date.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
I would take it on planes and you'll get a rest.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
I know.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
I thought I was going to be in jail and
they'd be like, what did you do? What you pooped
in the aisle? And I was like, oh my god, God,
that's what I thought would happen.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
What happened.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
No, I didn't know. That's nice thought you would have done.
No matter what, you wouldn't have done that.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Do you have? Did you take sleeping pills?

Speaker 2 (50:49):
I did?

Speaker 1 (50:49):
I took amy in for some time too. I had
went through a really hard time and it was not
good for me. I remember waking up with an enormous
bruise on my back. I'm like, what the fuck?

Speaker 3 (51:01):
What did happen?

Speaker 2 (51:02):
I don't know. I stood up and like hit.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
My mirror somehow, like you just but we're just turning
into like walkings zombie weirdos. You know. I had to
learn how to go to sleep the right way. It's like,
that's a sleep. It's called sleep hygiene, you know, I'm
sure you know.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Sleep hygiene for me is again so regimented that if
I'm outside because allergy are so bad, I have to
go take a full shower.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Really like this because it's landed all over the body.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
Yeah, and I have to. It has to be perfect
for me to fall asleep upsite. I'm so neurotic, I'm
so erotic and anxious.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
And so what about the sound? Do you do? Brown?
What do you? How do you? What do you like
the it's.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
The room to sound like when you because look, I'm
in different hotels, like I'm saying with my friend now,
so I just feel so good, and then like in
her little casita, but like, what what's the soundscape?

Speaker 3 (51:59):
You're not gonna like it?

Speaker 2 (52:00):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (52:02):
I put it? I listen to a podcast and put
an AirPod in one ear.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
That's how you fall asleep.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
If I have silence, I go my mind. I see raise,
I see, I see, and so I don't go to sleep.
So the only thing that I can do is almost
fatigue myself to sleep. So I listen to a podcast
every night, and I have a schedule, and then I
put one in Q in case I'm still awake at
the second one. I start to worry halfway through the
first one that I'm going to be awake when it
ends and have to go to my phone, so I
put a second one in Q so it fires off.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
I see, because you have worries. We all have worries.
I understand. Yeah, is it in the ear? See that
would start to be sore.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
You get used to it. It is at first, but
then you have to always clean it with Q tip
because it pushes to wax. Okay, what is your sound
at night?

Speaker 1 (52:47):
It just I need Like, my favorite way to sleep
is a box fan in the window when it's like
a nice breeze outside, a box fan in the window,
no ac like you just sleep so well just listening
to that fan with outside night air coming in.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
That's nineteen hundreds.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
That's nineteen hundreds.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
But also but if we obviously if the season is
you can't do that. We I have an air purifire
like blower sound, which I we like. And if I'm
traveling hotels, I just travel like an infant baby. I
have a dome, a large circular fan that you plug
in for the babies and the sound you.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Have it on you.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Yeah, I travel with it.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
You don't you don't get dry. You don't get dry
though in your nose and throat. It hurts you to sing.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
No, it's a tiny little fan.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Yeah, what are the blow on?

Speaker 1 (53:42):
But it's just it's blowing within the thing. It's like
just the perfect sound.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Oh it's a fan.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
It's just for sound only. It's not for you.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Yeah, it's just for sleep sound.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
So that's how I'm touring, That's how I survive on
the road.

Speaker 4 (53:59):
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Speaker 3 (54:13):
Who did you listen to as a kid that you like,
like in the pop popular music?

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Right? Popular music?

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Well, because with your background, I would assume you're going
to say some people I don't.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Know, well, because I I listened to a lot of
classical music because I was also so into ballet and
I was. My mom is a classical pianist, and she
would but she would have us on top of the
pops books too, which I think is key for young pianists.
Like you learn your favorite theme song from the TV

(54:44):
show that like the popular TV show.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
She was so.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Good at incorporating that stuff, or like Neil Young's Harvest
Moon like you you know, so she was good at
weaving in pop culture.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
For the kids.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
But yeah, mostly a lot of classical stuff. I like
love Aaron Copland, you know, it's like one of my favorites.
Debuc But then I had my you know, my cassette
tape of Hype Madonna, I had Michael Jackson, I had
I listened to Vinyl, Carol king Fleetwood, Mac.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Super Tramp.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
I was really in this band called super Tramp that
I was so into. Yes, the band, Yes, So I
guess it's a mix of like super pop, prog classical,
you know, like Tiffany.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
Yeah, I think We're Alone now.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Yeah, that's a good song.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
That's a good song. Yeah. I remember the Full House episode.
Do you have watch Full House? I have watched it,
but it wasn't like a regular for you, not really
me t g if Oh yeah, TF crushed it. Yeah
two hours of that's four shows. Yes, and it changed
a little bit over the years. But full House Family Matters,
Dinahs for a while, step by Step, Yeah, the same

(56:03):
guy like saying all the theme songs for those Oh
really for full House Family matters get out by Steps.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
I love theme songs. I am obsessed me too, I
am obsessed.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
Different though, theme songs or like what do they call them?
A show tunes?

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Those are different, very different, Okay, but my of my
favorite music for a TV show of all time is
Golden Girls, and that is also my favorite show.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
When I play the Opry, they that's my walkout song,
thank you for being.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
A great That's good, Andrew. I want to see your show.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
You don't and it's fine, but it's not I want.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
To see your show.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
It's this.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Well, so, because my I think comedy is the hardest craft.
I think comedy is the most heady art in my opinion, socially,
especially socially speaking. So I mean, I'm I'm like, I'm
an awf comedians, and a lot of it is the

(57:01):
courage that they have too. But when you're a good comedian,
I just I can't even believe it. Though there sort
of can be miserable to hang out.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
With because they're just like just so sad and just
watching you. Yeah, they're just watching you.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
The difficult part about like that, oh look at her
lane is you never know if anything's good until you
present it. Like if I were to play let's say
I wrote a funny song. I can play it and
learn the chords and I can get pretty good at
playing it before I go out. I can't. I don't
know if the joke is good or how it's going
to work. Until I literally try it, you know, it's

(57:37):
super exciting, but it's also the most nerve wracking.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
So I had a question for you because we were
talking about radio before we started. So when you started
on radio, did you get to choose what songs you
wanted to play? Or I don't know what station you
started on, so I don't know what the.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
So my brief a very very brief history. When I
was a teenager I started, I was doing pop radio
and then I was literally like talking between songs. Now
it's definitely changed, but I've done pop radio, I've done
alternative at a hip hop record that was rapper for
a little bit as I had a record go there.
So just it's been a weird Force Gump type career.

(58:20):
Love it, but no, never never get to pick songs
ever ever ever Now, Okay, if I choose to, I can,
but we talk so much now it's a podcast and
a content show for the most part. But if I
want to play a song or two on the National show,
I can. But I don't want. I don't want to
have the pressure of doing that. I don't want to
be the person that's like picking music because then everybody
wants you to pick their music. So I will just

(58:42):
highlight stuff that I like and then get away for
a minute. But never early early in my current never, yeah,
they fire you.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
But people don't I think literally a lot of younger
folks too. I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
I feel like they don't realize that radio DJs used
to pick the songs back.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Way before me, like the sixties seven way before yes, so,
but get they'd get paid.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
They were curating music. So the cure where are the curators?
The curation has changed, like where is that where that's
coming from?

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Discovery has completely changed? Yeah, how do you? Everything is
so so fractioned, right, right, it's so hard to get
noticed doing anything, right. Somebody can be super famous to
one person and not even be known by another, right right,
there's not like dead like yeah, it's it's it's amazing,
and it's also like a tragedy at the same time,

(59:38):
because the fact that there are no gatekeepers is awesome
for art, but at the same time, it's hard for
large art to exist because nothing is large anymore.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Like collective yeah, pop culture really yeah, and more negative
stuff I think has taken over the collective stuff. It's
all negative stuff. So I but I hope that I
have hope. I think it will swing the other way.
I think we'll all start to realize how fragmented everything is.
I think I think people are smart. I have hope

(01:00:12):
for our species.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Yeah. You ever see the Mike Judge movie Idiocracy? Yeah? Yes,
it's like, yeah, it's today and tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
But I love being able to just walk in anywhere
and just talk to anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
You know that. I think that's really important.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Do you get recognized Walmart or wherever you are?

Speaker 6 (01:00:37):
Think?

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
I don't think so, just wonderful.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
People will be like, are you Vanessa Carlton?

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
People do that at the airport?

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Is that what they say? Are you van A?

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
And I'm like, my this is my idea. They're looking
at my idea. They're like.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Like, are you that that is correct? I think there's
only one of us. Actually, I wonder if there's another
Vanessa Carlton.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Did you ever have people get tattooed up your face?
Did you ever see any fans do that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Of my face on their body? No?

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Or sign? Okay? Have you ever signed anybody?

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Yes? And a lot of tattoos well, and I have.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
One of my favorite artists did the artwork for my
record Rabbits on the Run that came out twenty eleven,
and a lot of people have the rabbits and I
love those rabbits.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
So that's a good tattoo. But it's high pressure.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
If someone asked you to sign them their skin and
they're like, they're going to tattoo it, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
Like, oh my, I know, I know, I just don't
want to do. Yes, that's it. I'm gonna be the
one time I.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Sucked my own has to be good.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Yeah. I have three final questions?

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
You have how many?

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
Three? Okay? By the way, how's your podcast experience been? My?
What your podcast experience?

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
This is nice? I don't this is my last?

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
This is you've said your last one? This is not it?
You're not retiring? Is this one?

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
I'm not What do you retiring? I'm not even it's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
This?

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Is it? Okay? I appreciate that. It's very kind of you.
Three questions. Question number one. When you did Broadway Carol King,
what kind of grind is that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
It's similar to the ballet world? Like that hard, but
you know, way almost harder because singing and acting too,
and I wasn't And that's actually a role where I'm
not even dancing, so it's not. But I think in
terms of the grind, as you say, it's it's one
of the hardest, if not the hardest, thing I've ever done.

(01:02:51):
Why the amount of shows per week that particular role,
the amount of time I was on stage. And by
the way, Bridget Berger, who was my acting coach here
in Nashville, I trained for that for months, learning that
script and learning how.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
To act with Bridge.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
With Bridget she was absolutely amazing. Because the role itself,
I'm like twelve costume changes in on stage almost the
entire show.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
Did you feel the pressure because I'm assuming you had
a really great understudy as well that knew everything, but
because the show was you were on the press, it
was starring Veness Carleton's croaking, Like, did you feel the
pressure to never be sick?

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Oh my god, I have stories. But also just to
go back to your story about the book deal and
how you didn't want to take the money because you're like,
you don't know if I'm good or not. That's how
I felt about being offered that role, and I was like,
they need to audition me, I need to really earn this.
I cannot just be given This would be the most
embarrassing moment. Worse than the first pitch, way worse first pitch.

(01:04:00):
And I have such respect for theater and the Broadway
worlds and how hard everybody works. I'm not waltzing in
there and fucking that up. Like it needs to be
really good. I want it to be really good. And
I love Carol and I so relate to her story
in certain ways, like not that I'm Carol King, but
just understanding her relationship with her mother and you know

(01:04:23):
how she learned piano and how she's writing her songs
and so so. Number one, it's like I wanted to
feel like I really earned it and they really wanted
me there, rather than like, oh, we need to get
a name in here to like maybe bring more tickets in.
I'm like, I'm not the name that's going to bring
I don't know how that works. And then second, people

(01:04:46):
pay so much money for those tickets. It's yeah, the
pressure is on, like it's got to be a great show.
And then third, yeah, like you don't want to like
diarrhea your pants on Broadway or throw up in the
like throwing up is better, but like, you don't want.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
To be sick.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
What I found extremely useful that I did not know
until I was touring a lot was the power of
a steroid shot because I would be getting sick and
then a few hours I'm on, I'm freaking cool that night,
but the next day I felt terrible, Like I mean,
it's but it saved my life more than a couple
of times. I going to a minute clinic and witch
Talk Kansas and getting a steroid shot because I was
getting sick.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
It will help you. Are you going to clip the
diary apart?

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
That will not if you don't want me to? Yeah,
we live clip no, so but do you want me
to clip the diary report? Are you saying to clip it?
Are you begging me to clip it?

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
Or don't see because I don't even know what I
just said, but I'm sure it's really people want to
clip it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
How do you know about clipping so much? If you're
never on social media?

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
It's on the new it's it's it's headlines, like literally
you just read headlines.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
How well we're not We're not know what that is.
I got your clip show. We do clip, but our
whole thing isn't to only.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
That's why I'm here, Okay, but I am saying some
really flashy things. So I was just but the steroids
will get your hips that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
The steroids will literally rot your hips if you do
a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
Of I'm not doing it for weights. I'm doing I
was doing it because I.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Was like sick and survive. Yeah exactly. Yeah, but Broadway.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
I it was incredible, it really and I was so
proud of myself that I was able to pull it off.
But I did get sick at the end of my run.
I had a stomach infection. It was an absolute nightmare.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
I was like all dressed, ready to go out, and
I was like, I can't do this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
I can't can't believe I can't do this. And yeah,
you're right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
The understudy hops in and she's amazing, and I can't
believe she can pull that off without doing the show
for like many weeks in advance, Like they're indle.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
She had to jump in for you at some point.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Yeah, I missed like I want to say, four shows
and I had a.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Three month run I believe, or maybe it was two
and a half months. It's pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
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Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
All right, two questions left. How do you know when
it's time to do any record?

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Well, I don't really know, but I know that my
rhythm has been every four years and now it seems
to have expanded to six years.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
Do you start to feel like an itch or are
you always creating and then you just kind of take
what your creations and you know, latch them together, Like
how does that work this record? Did you have songs
from a long time ago or did you write them
all around the.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Same time or way I'm I'm not dead. Instrumental was
pretty old, everything else is new. But I honestly, I
would say, like because I've gotten really into gardening and
I don't know what I'm doing, and I spend just
so much time pitter pattering around like my yard, and

(01:08:18):
so many melodies come to me and ideas come to
me when I'm doing that. So I think I really
started writing this record when I started like building my
garden and then but I'm very informal, like I'm very
I'm not very ambitious, So I think without Rashwan, he's
my manager who it's it's taken me a long time

(01:08:39):
to find a great manager's part of it is me
not being very easily manageable, and he's it's it's a collaboration.
It's like vaness what are you doing? Like our Dave Fridman,
my producer's like, so what's going on? We're the new songs?
Like I just I have so many wonderful people behind
me that are like, what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
I'm like, I don't know, And then I'll put together
the idea and said it and then it sparks the
next thing and it's like, you know, it's it's a
group effort. I think for me because I'm a I'm
technically a solo artist, but oh my god, there's so
many people with me that are helping.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Me all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
You know, final question, what question do people ask you
the most? Because I probably didn't ask it and people
are going to be like, you didn't ask whatever. What's
the number one question you get asked in interviews?

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Oh, it's just no.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
The number one question that everybody asks because they are
they don't care is how would you describe your It's
always you know what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
It's like, how is this record different from the how
would you describe your record?

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
What is this?

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
What does it mean? I'm like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
It's those are the questions that kill me because I'm like,
I know why you're asking this, because I feel like
a lot of the art of the interview and the
art of journalism is like, I don't know, it's not
really it's rare to find people that really care, you know. Also,

(01:10:25):
I answered the question that was a little crimoginy, but
I just get annoyed. I'm like, I don't know. It's
so easy for me to just be like, I have
no idea what it means. It's just it's happening. This
is happening, and I'll ask me in five years. I'll
know in five years.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
Well, I was just like, is there more scynth on there?

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
I like that? Okay, because I was that's specific? Uh,
and you were correct?

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
Well that was my first thought. It was just like, oh,
this is very sent I like it. I like to,
you know, like how it made me feel right cool?
So I was like, I'm gonna ask if that was
like purposeful, like I was aid a through line or
was it?

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
I don't know, Well, just to add to that, though,
I feel like people going back to attention span, Like
I don't even think people really take the time to listen.
You don't have to listen, then we don't have to
do the interview, like you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
I did listen, though you did listen. I'm a fan.
I listened to it and then I but I was
also on the radio when you were on the radio,
so we have that like it just feels at the
time like when I was just like struggling.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
When the early two thousands, oh yeah, rough.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Time, struggling, but also the best time in my life
at the same time, because the only thing I had
was was doors wide open. You just got to run
through them.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
They made you.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
Yeah, and so yeah, that's my relationship with yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
See that's the walls. That's so that song really quickly.
That was one of the first songs I ever wrote.
It was a waltz because I love waalses because I
was a dancer and.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
I'm at Airtigan.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
So I made a little cassette tape a flight four
songs when I first started writing music, when I was
still at ballet school and my dad, who's a pilot,
was flying a client, this very wealthy Italian man with
a castle.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
That's all I knew. And because he's.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
A private he's a private pilot, so he flies like
wealthy clients that are chartering jets.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
And he gave this.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Guy my demo. Castle guy, he gave the castle, got
the castle. The Italian man with the castle my demo.
And the guy his name as Emilio Joya. His name
is Emilio Joya. He not only listened to my little
dinky demo, but when ordinary day was on it, but

(01:12:54):
he gave it to his friend who happened to be
a'm at Ertigan who is for those that don't know,
he's the founder of Atlantic Records, Signed Rolling Stones, Ray
Charles and Ahma listened to it and I'm still I think.
I'm like seventeen at this point. And I come up

(01:13:14):
from ballet class one day and I have a message
on the message board and it says, Ohmad called, and
I called, and I don't have no idea who that is.
I called the number. It's Atlantic Records receptionist. That was
the beginning of my career.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
Your dad gave a tape to an Italian dude with
a castle. Correct and that's how your career started.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Yes, I would draw it back to that moment because
then am it started coming to my shows? My shows,
I don't know what I'm doing, Like you're figuring out
how to even perform, Like what do we say in between?

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
And he was dressed to the nines. Oh my god,
this guy was like he's amazing, come to beautiful gorgeous
women on either arm to the bitter end, you know,
and people would start like there was like what they
call it the buzz. This is the nineteen hundreds. I remember,
nineteen nineties. This is this So there was just like

(01:14:14):
a buzz, which is called like word of mouth talking
to each other calling I guess, and people will come
to my shows, like people in the industry. I'm like
what what you know? Because I'm it was going, you know,
he was like.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
He was an influencer for the day that he is
the the early influencer.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
And I didn't end up signing with Atlantic, but because
they never offered it in the end, he at that point,
I think he was like.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
More of a figurehead. It was like in a way he.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
Was so cool.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
He was just such a music lover too, Like but
I don't think at that point he was like signing people.
I don't know, but I didn't end up signing with Lank.
But it didn't matter.

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
What songs were on that tape.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
Ordinary Day, a song called Little Mary, a song called
Devil's Dance, than a song called Twilight.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
That's wild. I don't know your an Ordinary Day way
way early. I just don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
I like it, liked it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
Could use more sense Other than that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
It could it doesn't have zero s.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
Yes, I hope vals does everything that you wanted to
do for you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
You're so sweet.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
Yeah, I really appreciate you coming out A big fan,
so I really appreciate you coming in. And I hope
since this is your last podcast ever, I hope that
you're really Your cup is full from it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
It's full. Thank you, Bobby. Let's go look at that
have Alina

Speaker 5 (01:15:46):
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