#632 - Steve-O on His Wildest Jackass Stunts, How the Show Began & Surviving the Chaos

Steve-O sits down with Bobby to look back at the outrageous stunts, strange circumstances, and homemade videos that eventually led to Jackass. He ranks some of his most memorable bits, including the fishhook, Wasabi Snooters, and Poo Cocktail Supreme, and explains why he was always willing to put his body on the line for the footage. He also shares how skateboarding videos, Big Brother magazine, and Johnny Knoxville’s self-defense test helped create the show, as well as what it was like becoming famous while still homeless and barely making any money. Steve-O opens up about getting sober, building a career in stand-up, his fascination with aliens and near-death experiences, and why the newest Jackass movie may truly be the final one.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
When the show came out, I was technically homeless, unemployed,
and totally broke.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hey everybody, it's Bobby here. Today on the Bobby Cast,
we got Steve O in studio, best known from MTV's Jackass,
alongside Johnny Knoxville. I think I saw every episode while
in college. He built a career doing outrageous stunts. I'm
surprised he's alive. I was just happy he showed up
in one piece. I mean, this guy has done it all,

(00:36):
and today's taking that same energy into stand up comedy.
He's got a podcast it's called wild Ride with Steve O,
which is pretty cool as well. He's currently on his
Crash and Burn tour and his latest film, Jackass, Best
and Last, is out this weekend. So here we go
from chaos to comedy. Steve O is still doing it all.

(00:56):
Here is my conversation with Steve O.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Steve, We'll go to see you likewise man, thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:02):
What do your friends call you? Steve or Steve O?

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Doesn't matter because.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
When I saw you up front, and usually I don't
walk over when people are waiting, but if I arrive,
because I left for a few minutes, it came back.
I feel like a douche bag, Like if you see
me get out of my car and not come over.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
I didn't even notice that. It's just like, but.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
I was like, what up, Steve? And I was like
should I said, Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
You know, my jackass buddies call me Steve?

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Oh, I think most like people that are like close
to me will probably call me Steve.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
And I just don't care. I just don't care one
way or another.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
I mean, there's certain things that if you're particular about it,
you're just gonna be bent out of shape all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Like why would you want that?

Speaker 2 (01:43):
This movie you guys just did, Is it really the
last one?

Speaker 3 (01:46):
For sure?

Speaker 2 (01:47):
For sure? For sure?

Speaker 1 (01:48):
For sure for sure, And like the entire all of it,
the way that it's put together, it's like it's put
together distinctly because it's the last one, and it boils
down to one thing. Really, Knoxville cannot stand in front
of bulls anymore, and so for that reason, it is

(02:12):
not possible for us to make a.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Whole new movie.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Because he's just so determined to take on blunt force
trauma to the head.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
So he still wants to do it and do it right.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
She wants, but he can't, you know, he can't. So
what this is a hybrid of brand new footage, old
footage that was like forbidden, like shot but could not
be shown. And now finally, somehow, I don't even know

(02:45):
how we can show all this like truly messed up
stuff that wasn't allowed anywhere before. And there's like greatest hits,
but the greatest hit step is cut with new footage
in it.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
I watched the movie and I was just overwhelmed with
emotion and like I just thought, oh my god, this
is so crazy.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
And there was stuff that I didn't remember at all.
I was like, oh my god, we did that twice,
you know, like and the there's just a bunch of
stuff for it's just you see it all in a
new way, and it's it's put together of course by
Spike Jones and Jeff Tremaine, like in such a.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
It's just incredible. Man. It overwhelmed me.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Do you have to get in shape to go back?

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Oh my god, I wish there's one scene in this Okay.
I showed up like for the filming of all the
new stuff, and I was like, I said, all the
og cast, you know, all the guys I said. I said,
all right, dudes, let's all take off our shirts and
lineup and and we'll see who's in the best shape.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
You know, take a photo. I thought I was going
to have it by a mile, and Panieus like has
just been on one.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Pontius looks better than he's ever looked, And I just didn't.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
I aways delusional.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
I thought I was in better shape than I was.
And in the actual movie, there's one bit where like
I stripped down, I'm doing this crazy thing and I
lay down on the table and all I can see
is that I looked.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Disgustingly fat in that bit.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
It drives me nuts, But but I worked so hard
to be able to perform the special trick that I'm
showing the guys in that.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Bit whenever Jackass hit, like I was the demo. Because
I was in college, I watched every episode forty six
there you go.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
I just turned fifty two less than a week ago.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
So it was for me. It was Tom Green, it
was you guys, it was a celebrity deathmatch. It was
all of that in the dorm. Like, and I think
about and I've seen the movies, and I was gonna
ask you, like, what do people know you most from.
But here are the two bits that I think of.
If someone were to say, can you name Steve Obits,
how often are these brought up? Number one is the

(05:12):
fish hook, the hook in the mouth.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
That's that's the Number one is the porta potti, the
sling shot.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
They called it a Pooh cocktail supreme. I think that
would be the number one. The fish hook arguably number two.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Because the hook went all the way through your You
put it through your jaw and then you went down
like bait.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
Yep. Yeah, it was the idea for the fish hook.
It was proposed by a.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Guy named the name Captain al Walker, who we've filmed
Wild Boys with in Louisiana. We did a bunch of
the filming for the second movie in Louisiana and Al
Walker said, yeah, put a hook through Stevo's face and
cast him out as bait for sharks.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
And our director Jeff Tremaine loved the idea.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
He ran it by NOx on knox I was like,
I don't get it, Like to Knoxville.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Either I get bitten by a.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Shark and it's too much and like I die and
that's bad, or I don't get bitten by a shark,
and the bit was a failure, you know, like how does.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
This sust to work?

Speaker 1 (06:17):
I don't get it, you know, And Jeff Tremaine dug
in his heels and it just landed on that perfect
balance of like just a close call that was worth
showing and not catastrophic consequences. We were like, we filmed
that movie in two thousand and six, so New Orleans

(06:40):
was still utterly devastated by a Hurricane Katrina, Like even
though I think the hospitals were still like not fully functioning,
and that Shark Hook thing was filmed like two hours
out to sea. I remember afterwards, I said to the
Jeff Tremino, I was like, what was the plan if
I got bitten? We were like we were like two

(07:02):
hours away from the coast, and even they made it
to the coast and I was still alive. The hospital
wasn't even working, you know, like and Tran said, we
didn't have a plan.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
We had God.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
If won and shark is two, what's three?

Speaker 1 (07:17):
I mean, like I think that that becomes a question
of like what's in me or what's like.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
What's said to you, what's quoted to you? Are people
like this is what I remember the most.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
I don't know if it's the.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Most memorable, but I but uh with Sabby Snooters gets
mentioned a lot.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
What else gets mentioned a lot.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
It wasn't something that I did on Jackass, but I
am generally known as a guy who stapled his ball
sack to.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
His leg on a stage.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
I did it on a stage, I did it in
a video. I did it like probably not quite a
hundred times.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
But do you practice that alone before you take it?

Speaker 3 (07:55):
There's no practicing a ball sack? What else?

Speaker 4 (08:00):
Like?

Speaker 1 (08:00):
I like to think the goldfish that was my first one,
and uh, the swallowing the goldfish and peeking it up,
I think was pretty impactful.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
We were there some of the stunts that you did
that didn't make it, but then you put on a
DVD later and just sold that.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
It wasn't quite that it was.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
I had been documenting all of my pursuits for many years.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Like, I didn't think there was gonna like live to
be thirty, you know.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
I totally expected that I was going to fail at
life and die like miserable young having failed. And I
was just running around with my video camera trying to
film the craziest things that I could like dreaming of
somehow cheating death because even though I would be dead,

(08:51):
like if videos of me continued to play, then I would.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Never die, never die.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah, it was just.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
So important to me. Like I really looked at the
video camera like it was like a religion almost, you know,
this was I was like immortality in my hands when
I was holding a video camera. So yeah, I had
all this footage that I had been like scrambling to
put together, like like a message in a bottle, to

(09:20):
try to become the vang of the Backyard stunt.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
And then when.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Jackass got picked up, I was asked to send in
my best footage so that they could license it, like
acquire it and put it on MTV. And not one
thing that I sent in was either allowed on TV
or did they want on TV.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
I think the second.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Is a legit bucket because a lot of it was
degraded and you know, like filmed badly.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
It just looked like crap.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
But some of the stuff like was legit and it
couldn't be shown because MTV was.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
So touchy about fire in general in general.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
They had had like this crazy lawsuit. I think that's
exactly right. That was the big one. There was like
a fire in a trailer park and some little boy
like burnt down the trailer, killing his infant sister, as
I recall, and they asked him why did like why

(10:26):
did this happen? And he said Beavis said fire fire,
So like they was like it was like a wrongful
death thing. I think MTV lost their ass and they
had some other thing to do with fire and.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
A lawsuit that was just incredibly.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Like bad for them, and as such they had no
sense of humor about fire.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Did they ever allow fire?

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Knoxaled had one where he wore like a fire suit
and like they let them on. They did some light
fire suit burn but it was like all you know,
that's Hollywood out.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
As you could get. And then there's another one. He
strapped steaks all over himself and like laid on a grill.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
And I forget how they addressed it, but it was
like scrolling warnings all over the screen.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Can you get health insurance?

Speaker 3 (11:20):
I can get Yeah, I've got health insurance.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Do you have to tell them I'm stevo.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
I think it's life insurance. That would be the trickier thing.
That's where they ask you if you scuba dive if you.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Take a fishhook in the mouth.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
It occurs to me that I've visited the hospital so
much that it's not necessarily great for my health insurers.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
But yeah, I seem to get away with it.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
No crazy hyghpremium.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
I probably do, like I have, just have babysitters, so
I don't even know.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
But you're not doing stuff on a normal Tuesday that's
dangerous to you anymore. Right Like today, before you came over,
you didn't like rack your balls on a seesaw just
for fine.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
I don't you know like that. It's always been that way.
Like I don't.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Necessarily care for the experience of my art.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
I just do it for the footage.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
You do it for the documenting of it.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yeah, I do it for the footage.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
I'm very goal oriented, very footage oriented. And you know,
I'm so often asked if I have a special tolerance
for pain, and I always say that I do not.
I just have an overdeveloped need for attention which outweighs
my desire for comfort.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Were you like that as a young child.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah, just a rabbit attention whore.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
What did you want to be? And you grew up
when you were like nine.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
I don't know that I had any kind of a plan.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
I suppose I would have said maybe a baseball player
or something, which would have been delusional.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
And then I started skateboarding.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
The first thing that I was actually serious about was
after the skateboard led me to the video camera and
I started making skateboarding videos. It was so mind belonging
to me because with the process of editing, I could
remove all of the failed attempts and just put together

(13:42):
what I wanted people to see.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
And for a guy like me, like, wow.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
I'm able to manipulate the way that I'm perceived by others,
you know, like I've got this crazy, crazy, like alarming
concern for the opinions of others, the you know, external
validation that's always been there. So to be able to
edit footage and somehow manipulate how people saw me, it

(14:12):
was just a big deal. But all I was doing
with the video camera was documenting skateboarding. I knew that
I just wasn't that good at skateboarding, So like, in
like a moment of realistic reflection on my situation, I thought, Okay,
my life is going to be about the video camera.

(14:35):
I need to figure out a career that involves the
video camera. And the best that I could come up
with was to try to go to college, the School
of Communications advertising major and become a creative advertising guy.

(14:57):
I thought I could see myself making TV commercials and
like being creative and doing a good job, and.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
That's what And I was like, that's what I want
to do. That's my.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
But I went to the University of Miami and I
just could not make it to class period.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
I just couldn't.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
I couldn't and I was drunk all the time, and
I got kicked out of the dorms and I just
upped and left.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
And so as I left.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
The University of Miami in nineteen ninety three, Everyone's just like, wow, well,
what do you screwed?

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Now? What's your plan now? And that's when I started.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Telling people I'm going to become a crazy famous stuntman
with my home video camera. I knew that I wasn't
like talented enough to compete in the world of skateboarding,
but I just I was.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
What's the word unstable? I was a bit off, you know.
I was just, yeah, I was troubled. I was a
troubled guy with.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
A real problem with alcohol, and just while I was drunk,
I would just want to do like just stupid as
crazy as things, and they would end up being footage
of it, and I was like, oh, this is it,
you know, like I'm doing stuff that makes people think,
oh my god, like he's going to die, you know,
like create, you know, like, and I was like, I'm

(16:29):
just gonna come up with crazy stunts that nobody else
would think of. If they could think of it, they
wouldn't do it. And that way, like, if I'm doing
stuff that nobody else in the world would either be
willing to or able to do, if I'm doing the
only one doing it, then I'm automatically the best at it.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
How would you plan to get that in front of people?

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Though back then it was it was an exercise in
hooking up video cassette recorders, which people.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
Today wouldn't even know what that was v CR. That
was my editing process.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Put the original tape in one VCR, hit play, and
then have it wired to a second VCR and selectively
hit record.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
It's like play, record, pause, play, you know.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
That's how I edit, and then put the edited version
into the first VCR and hit play. And record on
the second one with a wire coming from a stereo
to give it like a soundtrack.

Speaker 5 (17:29):
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and we're back on the Bobby cast.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
It sounds like those people in prison who can invent
a radio aut a piece of bloney. And you're like, man,
if you can do that in prison, you've just created
an entire editing system with music. Right as someone who
decided I didn't want to go to college anymore. I
didn't I had no talent, Yet you still figured out
how to do all of that.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
It wasn't that I didn't. I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
I don't know that I've ever considered myself particularly talented
at all.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
But I like when I'm turned.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
On about something, like when I'm like really on fire,
like I'm pretty unstoppable.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Like there there's a there's a tenacity, and uh.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
There's an ingenuity to that too, building that whole system there, yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
I mean, and then and then it would become an
assembly line with like the laying the music over on
the you know, that would be the duplication process. And
then I had the VHS video cassette and I would
walk to the mail you know, the post office and
physically mail these cassettes to anybody I thought might watch them,
like who it was at that time, the skateboarding industry,

(18:44):
because even like the video camera and you know, the
VCR VHS tapes like just made the skateboarding industry explode
in like the nineteen eighty skateboarding videos were. It was
just it was a really special thing. But even the

(19:12):
most diehard skateboarder would find it like mind numbing to
watch an hour of.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Nothing but skateboarding.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
So from the very beginning, skateboarding videos had like comic relief,
you know, like skits like whatever, like just like wild,
crazy stuff to break up the monotony of the of
the same thing just the whole time. And it was
just something that skateboarding videos had. And I made my mission.

(19:42):
I was like, Okay, I'm I'm gonna be in skateboarding videos.
I'm gonna be the crazy comic relief that breaks up.
And that's kind of how Jack got started because the
videos that I ended up, you know, being featured in.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
There's one of the video you know.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
One of the companies was this skateboarding magazine called Big Brother,
and they had Johnny Knoxville doing all this crazy stuff.
They had Chris Ponnie as we Man, they had me
and the Big Brother videos became like they kind of
got like a cult following, and Jeff Tremaine he thought,
man like, if we take out the skateboarding, what's left over,

(20:27):
just the crazy stuff?

Speaker 3 (20:28):
I think that could be a CD show.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
And so Jeff Tremaine and Johnny Knoxville approached Spike Jones,
who like grew up as childhood friends with Jeff Tremaine
in Maryland. Spike Jones, Spike Jones started out as a
photographer for a skateboard company called World Industries.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
World Industries was like the.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Biggest, almost like a monopoly, like this, this big conglomeration
of skateboarding companies and it was run by this psychopath
named Steve Rocco. And the way that he was just
psycho and he had these crazy ads that he would
he take out the craziest ads in the big magazine's

(21:17):
Thrasher and Transworld.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
One time he sends in an.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Ad to Thrasher and trans World, it's just like a
little kid holding a gun in his mouth and it
says like World Industries, kill yourself and that's the ad,
and both both Thrasher and Transworld sent back the ad
to Steve Rocco saying like, hey, like, there's just no

(21:44):
way in hell that we're going to run this ad
in our magazine, like you're like and one of the two.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
The guy added that.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
He had personally lost a close friend in high school
to to you know, on a live himself right, and
that he was personally offended by this, and Steve Rocko's
response to that was, oh, man, I'm so sorry to
hear that. Like here, I'll tell you what, maybe you
could put together like a big long list of every
little bad thing that ever happened to you so that

(22:16):
I could model the way I run my business over
your sensibilities. And he's like, how about this. Fuck you,
fuck Thrasher, fuck Transworld. I'm never gonna run ads in
either of your magazines ever again. Period done, And I'm
going to start my own magazine. And that's how Big
Brother Magazine was started, like purely just to serve as

(22:37):
a forum for utter filth that would never be allowed
to grace the pages of Thrasher or Transworld.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
That was the genesis of Big Brother.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
And what's more, in the nineteen eighties, the skateboarding videos
were very, very careful and clean. Like all of the
money that kept the skateboarding industry running was was basically

(23:09):
it was catered. The whole industry was catered to the
approval of mom, you know, like mom was the one
at the skate shop, like mom was like parents were
the ones like sort of deciding if it was like
okay to do the spending.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
So they did.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
They want to be really careful not to perturb the
sensibilities of mom and dad.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
And they were really careful not to like.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Make skateboarding look as violent with all the you know, injuries,
Like they would have slam sections in the videos, and
they would be like really careful to make it like
look like you know, like little sound effects.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
And make it look cute and not scary and dangerous.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
And they were just like really careful in PG, and
Steve Rocco comes along with World Industries and he's like, man,
I am so sick and tired of skateboarding videos kissing
mom's ass, Like I'm making a world industry's video and
I don't like, I don't care. He went out and

(24:11):
he wanted to go out of his way to make
it really gnarly and some brutal violent slams, and just
like they had this video and he didn't have anybody
to make the video. He had Spike Jones was a photographer,
and Spike Jones got delegated the you know, the task
of becoming a video editor to make Rubbish Heap, which

(24:36):
was the first skateboard video by World Industries. You had
pro skaters like feeding earthworms to the little kids and
then the kid barfs it up and then the dog
eats the bar.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Like oh not just hardcore skateboard, oh yeah, like not photographs,
just like, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Gnarly stuff, you know, and like like when the Big
Brother videos came around, you know, in the wake of
the World Industry's video Big Brother was just evil, dude.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
I mean Big.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Brother Magazine When I say it's only reason for existence
was to provide a home for filth that would not
ever be allowed in thrash or trans world, that is
what Big Brother was.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
They had articles.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
That were like I would even like say, like legitimate
journalistic integrity applied to articles.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
On the ten best ways to unalive yourself no way
the like ranked in order.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
So it was it all shock you think for attention.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Well, I mean it was just it was just Steve
Roco just didn't care.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
He just didn't. He just he wanted to just be
gnarly and he was just like fuck it.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
You know, Like the ten Best Ways to kill Yourself
they had, like like it's.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
These awful it was.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
It read like the anarchistic Cookbook in a lot of
ways like that. I remember there was you know, they
had a whole how to step by step to like
completely short out the electricity like in a house. It
involved like like folding up aluminum foil and like putting
it in the light bulb like in between.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
That.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yes, so then when you flip the lights, which the
whole power goes out in the house.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
I remember that one. They had one that.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Was called the milk Chicken Bomb, which they they they
described step by step how to do it, like like
to take a canning jar which is like extra somehow
sealed air tight. You put like a bunch of raw
chicken in it, and then you fill up the rest
of it with like whole milk and then you can

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it super tight, and then they instruct you to like
stash it in somebody's house, like you know, like in
the rafters, like whatever, in the attics, somewhere where they're
not going to immediately find it. And what will happen
it describes is that as it as it rots inside
the jar, like it creates like gases which ultimate the

(27:21):
gas that creates like so much pressure that the jar
will explode, but only at the point when it's so
rotten that when it explodes, boom, you're like the whole
house is now just like annihilated.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
It sounds like a really messed up Mad magazine, like
the yeah, the work, because Mad Magazine was that, but
it was like stupid.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Right, I mean, this is like legitimate. A lot of
it was legitimately evil.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
It reminds me also the Faces of Death videos you
ever see that growing up, that it's the same, but
those videos would get around.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Right right right, same, the same idea, you know, even
I think a lot of the Faces of Death was
actually like super fake and stage and thank god because
you know why. But and they had like silly stuff too.
They had like legitimate like product reviews where like the
penis pumps, you know, like just they're they're just sitting

(28:18):
there just blowing up their wieners. They are like to
determine if these penis pumps actually make your wiener bigger,
and they determined they really just made it more bloated
and purple.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
You know.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
But yeah, and like it wasn't all evil, but it
was absolutely like it was gnarly, you know, it was
it was. It was gnarly. And Johnny Knoxville was h
grew up in Knoxville, Tennessee. I would describe Knoxville's story

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as very similar to the Company song Shooting Star, where
you know, like when he heard his first you know whatever,
the knox was a big wanted to be an actor.
He loved movies, you know whatever the first movie was.
He wants to be an actor, and like graduates high school.

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He's eighteen years old and like comes to the door, Mama,
you know, I'm going away. I'm gonna be a big
star someday, you know, teardrop in her eye.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
And he goes, like eighteen years old, moves out to La.
He's gonna be a movie star.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
He's gonna like and the years are kind of getting
like going by, you know, and not too much is happening.
He's trying to audition, he's not getting like picked so much.
He does start having like quite tremendous success for him
at the time with television commercials, but it's not scratching

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the edge he wants to like really and I would
describe it like he just decided, you know what, I'm
going to force people to I'm not gonna wait to
be picked. I'm not gonna wait to be discovered. I'm
going to force people to notice me. So he came
up with the ideas to do this self defense test,

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and he pitched it to like every media outlet known
to man, basically like the Howard Sterns Show, like you know,
like Late Night with Leno and Letterman, and like every
conceivable way. His pitch was, I'm gonna do a product
review of self defense equipment, starting with red pepper spray

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point blank into my eyes, then like one hundred and
twenty thousand volt stun gun just drilled to the ground,
then shot with the fifty thousand volt taser gun with
the wires and the barbs and like sustained electricity and
all that played on MTV. But the culmination of the
product review, he says, I'm gonna put on a bulletproof

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vest and I'm going to test the bulletproof vest by
shooting myself with a thirty eight caliber Smith and Wesson handgun.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
And like, obviously, no media.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Outlet wants anything to fucking do with this, except for
Big Brother Magazine.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Big Brother Magazine thinks this is great.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
They knew better than to have anything to do with
being involved in the filming of it.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
They just said, yeah, go ahead and do that. Make
sure you video it. We can't wait to.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
See the footage, you know, and as is so beautifully
represented in our new movie Best and Last, like.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
You finally get to see a Noxill shoot himself.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
It's there.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
It's the cold open, because it's it marks the day
that jack the moment that Jackass was born, you know,
like Jeff Tremanos say too that, like when Knoxwell came
back with that.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Footage shooting himself that he says, God damn, this is
a TV show. You know, like in so many.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Ways, that was when Jackass was born, and it says
as such in this you know, and like it's never
been allowed to be shown. You know, there's so much
shit that was never allowed to be shown that's finally got.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
A home in this new movie.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
The Bobby cast will be right back, this is the
Bobby cast.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
What's the best moment that was never shown from you, ah,
or the most nostalgic to you that.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Footage of me?

Speaker 1 (32:54):
I think that, like I really kind of I would say,
stand out in the filming of the new footage. I'm
trying to think of what, you know, like I've always
found it home for my footage that wasn't allowed to
be shown, you know, like going back to the time
when when I sent in all of my video footage

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for the TV show, and like I said, not one
clip cleared because it was all me on fire jumping
off building. They had a rule that you couldn't jump
off of anything over a certain height, and that was
just my thing was jumping off way high shit. And
a lot of the time I'm jumping off shit while
I'm on fire. And if I wasn't jumping off high

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shit on fire, then I was doing really gnarly shit,
like being strangled on conjas, like drinking bon water, like
all this just fucked up stuff.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
And from the get go, I was like, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
My main concern with Jack as when I found this
out that they wouldn't show any of the.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Stuff I had.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
I thought oh no, we're gonna be on MTV. But
with what you know, like how watered down, how censored.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Is it going to be? Like oh, and I thought,
all right, well, whatever MTV is allowed to show, I
guess they'll show, and I'll sell two hot for TV DVDs.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
And I got in business with these like super questionable
people who legitimately put together. They helped me with the
making my two Hopper TV videos and like I actually
bumped Girls Gone Wild out of their commercial rotation for
like many months, not entirely, of course, but I had

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the same late night commercial like you know, direct to consumer,
buy it now with your credit.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Card and we'll include this bonus video. I believe I was,
but I wasn't being paid it did. That didn't go
my way. I had a whole series two I had.
I had a whole series of two from TV videos.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
And my third installment, from what I understood, was platinum
before it had even been released because they shipped so
many units to just meet that mark before it's even
before the date that.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
It came out. And I didn't get paid for that
one either.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Whenever the show hit How quickly were you famous overnight?

Speaker 3 (35:25):
When the goldfish segment aired.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
The first episode, I was on it, but like with
something totally forgettable, that was filmed in very low light
and it was quick and didn't change much. But the
second episode it ended with me swallowing the goldfish and
once that aired.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Game over.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
How did it change for you?

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Like all of a.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Sudden, like actually really hot chicks were interested in talking
to me, and I was humping like hotter.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Chicks than ever. Like that was totally mind blowing for me.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
When the show came out, I was technically homeless, unemployed,
and totally broke, so that was kind of a weird thing.
But then you know, we started filming the second season.
I was told for the second season, I mean the
first season of Jacks and MCB, I made less than

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fifteen hundred.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Bucks after taxes the whole thing. I didn't even get
paid per episode. I got paid per bit if it aired,
and there were two rates.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
If it was like a like super like high impact
or dangerous like risking life and limb stunt, I got
paid five hundred dollars per bit. But if it was
like a low impact like man on the street gag
or like you know, prank or something, I got two hundred.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Dollars, So did you have notoriety but no money?

Speaker 1 (37:11):
I turned it around pretty quickly, but yeah, yeah, and
when and I found the whole first season of Jackass
in five days. And on the fifth day, I was
just banged up, sleep deprived, shark bitten.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
I just hungover. I was a mess.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
And it was the last morning and everyone's like trying
packing up to go to the airport. And I thought
to pull out a piece of paper to write down
everything that I did that I felt was worthy of
making the show, you know, like sort of itemizing, like, hey,
this is what I would expect to see.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
You.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Don't let these things slip through the cracks. Was my
initial purpose. But then as I wrote them down, I thought,
oh cool, and I'll like kind of like a menu
for a restaurant.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
I'll put the eye them and then like the price.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
So the first thing I wrote down was goldfish, and
I thought about it for a moment, and I literally
wrote two hundred dollars next to it, because I wanted
to be considered so gnarly that that was just low,
when like one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
I could have choked on it and died. You know.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
It was a big goldfish, like it could have gone
down like backwards and like torn my throat apart, you know, like,
and I was just I wanted them.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
To think I was so gnarly, I wrote two hundred Was.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
There ever a competition between the guys on getting bits on?

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Oh? That's all it's ever been.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
That's one hundred percent of what it is. It's a
battle for screen time amongst attention.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Worse?

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Was that ever toxic?

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Ah?

Speaker 1 (38:52):
I mean to the extent that people are like taking
like legitimate risks to earn screen time, I'd say it's dangerous.
I don't know the toxic. I think it was a
pretty healthy competition. And like when somebody got an incredible
piece of footage in the can, like that was like

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a win.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
For us as a collector. It wasn't like you were
bitter that.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Someone else got something good that was good, but you
wanted to get something good, you know. So it's just
like we wanted to get the best footage we can,
but you also want to get in the most screen
time individually that you can.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
It seemed to me that Johnny Knoxville was obviously the leader,
but you were that guy like you were second. Was
that the feeling within the group.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
I mean, if there was a second it would have
always been Bam, you know, Bam, like I described in
great detail, and the Internet always like really points out that,
you know, when we tell the story of the genesis
of Jackass being that of Big Brother magazine, and it
was in that it was Jeff Tremain who decided to

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try to make a TV show.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Jeff Tremaina and Knoxo went to Spike Jones.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Spike Jones was already the Oscar nominated Hollywood movie director
with the clout to waltz them into HBO and MTV
and Comedy Central.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
So that's how it happened.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
But in his own right, and very separately from Big Brother,
Bam Margera had a whole series of very similarly minded
skateboarding videos filled with all kinds of mayhem and craziness
called CKY, which stood for a camp kill yourself, and

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Jackass was largely an exercise in the Big Brother crew
from the West Coast joining forces with the Ky crew
from the East Coast. And you had Knoxo as the
leader of the West Coast and Bam was the leader
of the East Coast, and so absolutely Bam was the
number two guy all the way. If I like, you know,

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credit as the credits rolled on the first movie, I
got the third spot.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
That was cool. And I think that.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
I like I managed to create, uh, you know, the
perception of me that I was just ready to die
crazy and.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
So like just so gnarly, I'll do anything, when.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
In fact I always picked my battles pretty carefully. Like
obviously I took crazy risks, particularly with sharks and all
the wild animals, but like I was so scared and
protective of my spinal cord. Like my biggest fear was
always end up in a wheelchair. God, I didn't want
to end up in a wheelchair, so like throwing my

(41:47):
body around in a way that I might land on
my head and break my neck.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Like I was pretty careful about.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
When you were blowing up on MTV. Were there pop
stars that were hitting you up? What did you date popstar?

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Not with any real success. I became a sort of
friendly with I became friendly with some some famous people,
but I never really got points on the board so well.
And I think I was like pretty intimidated by the

(42:22):
idea of that too. But you know, as many points
as I could get on the board. In the early
days I was striving.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Do you find the people now struggled to take you
serious if they know you a Stevo from Jackass?

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Nah? I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
I think that it's been so long and like I've
lived to be now in my fifties, Like I think
you got it probably acknowledge on some level that like
it's more of a case that I was always trying

(43:02):
to seem crazy more than like I was really crazy.
But I mean, but then again, so I was unhinged.
I've always been in troubled unhinged dude.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
So are you still that.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
I've made a lot of progress?

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Do you invest and dedicate yourself to your stand up
like you did when you were putting the VCRs together
with the music?

Speaker 3 (43:25):
For sure? For sure?

Speaker 1 (43:27):
And in the beginning with the stand up, it was,
you know, like this is a new thing, and I'm
gonna just put in.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
The work and I'm going to establish myself at it.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
And I just did it every single night and not
even being paid, like it was just in the comedy
club every single night because this is something I wanted
to do.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
I went out, like.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
You know, I went out in comedy clubs for the first.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Five years, kind of figuring it out.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
I would for those first five years, I would like
do my set of stand up and then I would
end with a set.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Of repeatable stunts and tricks.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
So it'd be like two nights, two shows a night,
like squeezing full lemons into my eyeballs twice a night,
you know, like with the stapling and the fire breathing
and like, you know, like it was pretty brutal, but
my goal was to lure people in with the promise
of live stunts and win them over with the you know,

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like you know, pleasantly, surprisingly entertaining stand up comedy routine,
and that I think worked to an extent and over
the years. You know, I did my first comedy special.
I taped it in twenty fifteen. It was a set

(44:59):
of stand up and with physical stunts peppered in throughout
the act that happened on the stage. And as I
started putting together the what would be my second show,
I remember one night I was performing and I thought, yeah,
I was performing like before the release of the first
comedy special, so I still could do all that. Materially

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it wasn't out, but I was like chunking together, like
what would be the next hour. So I had like
the like the luxury of being able to test out
stuff and fall back on what worked.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
And as I was testing stuff.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Out, I thought, Man, everything that's working is something that
there's like footage of.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
That from when it happened.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
And I thought, holy shit, what if my next comedy
special is me performing this stand up comedy act telling
these stories, but with footage interstitially edited in to illustrate
the stories.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
That I'm telling. And my fucking head exploded. I thought,
that is.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
The greatest, the world's first multi media stand up comedy special.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Like I can't even believe. This is fucking mind blowing.
And so I immediately.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Took to recording my sets, and when I got done,
take the footage and put it into the timeline on
the editing software and then drop in the footage.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
And as I did that, I was like, oh, my god,
networks and it works, you know, Like.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
So that like really bummed me up to the next
level of enthusiasm and like, now I'm doing something that's
so unique to me, and it like, you know, it
kind of converges all my lanes into one thing, and
and it forced me.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
To study video footage of.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Me performing stand up. A lot of I think a
lot of comics they don't want to like watch, but
you know, it's like ah, but like it forced me
to do that, and so that like to help progress
everything more. And that then my second comedy special was multimedia,
and that worked so well, but I was.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Like, man, fuck with the telling old stories.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
I just felt like I was turning into the fucking
guy who won't shut up about what he could bench press.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
In high school, you know.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
And I was like, I don't want to tell old
stories anymore, and I don't want the footage to be
introduced in post production now. I want to film all
new shit and bring the footage on tour so that
it's all new shit, new material.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
There's no telling old stories anymore.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
And that was my third comedy special and so what
I'm touring with now will ultimately be my fourth. And yeah,
I fucking care about it, like I've worked so fucking
hard on it.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
It's stupid.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
And what was in initially intended to be an outlet
for me to be creative and professional and earn money
that like didn't involve.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Beating myself up.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
You know, like you could do stand up into ear
whatever you know, however, world, but it just steered right
back to me fucking myself.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Up, you know. So now I do the live.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Multimedia comedy that's like, you know, an extra naughty jackass
movie meets a stand up comedy show in this like
collision of multimedia live entertainment, and it's just I'm taking
fucking huge risks and beating myself up like crazy.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
And now I'm in my fucking fifties.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
And that's what the the context of the shit is about.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Were you doing your podcast for a bit driving to
people's houses?

Speaker 3 (48:52):
I did it. I didn't want to Will you be
on my podcast?

Speaker 1 (48:56):
It was just like the most annoying question when everybody
fucking had a podcast, and it's like, no, I don't
want to do your podcast. Like fuck, like I'll do
it because you know, like.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
I I knew that I had.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Been so annoyed so frequently when people asked me to
do their podcast.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
I didn't want to be that guy, but I knew
that it was important to do it. So I just thought,
all right, the only way I can wrap my head
around this.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Is if I create a studio in an RV and
literally drive the studio to the guest so that I
can say, yes, I'm asking it to be on my podcast,
but I will bring it to you wherever and whenever
is most convenient for you.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
And that was how I started the wild Ride podcast.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Did you do aliens with UH? With Tom DeLong?

Speaker 3 (49:50):
I did do Tom DeLong?

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Yeah, I've seen clips of.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
That shumendously popular episode. It's crazy how.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Aliens in UFOs, Jeremy Corbel, Tom DeLong, like anybody talks
about UFO and aliens draws massive numbers on the Internet.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
When you finished that with him, did you believe more
than you did before you started?

Speaker 1 (50:14):
I think that my position on UFOs and aliens, I
don't think it's changed much with all my conversations with
Jeremy Corbel and Tom DeLong. I feel that, Yeah, for sure,
there's all kinds of other like forums, you know, other
like like UFOs and everything. But it's kind of a

(50:36):
moot point because like that's like other dimension shit, you know,
Like I just don't see like entities that operate in
other dimensions really making I think there's just like universal
laws that you're not allowed to fuck with shit outside

(50:57):
your compartment, you know, outside of your dimension.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
You believe that Tom, for example, because that episode has
been fed to me so many times that he really
believes it though.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Oh god, yeah, yeah, for sure, I think he believes it.
I think he's charismatic. I think he's passionate. I think
he's all of those things that like make you care
about what he cares, you know, and that like that
that translates.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
And I don't think I don't think that he would
be able to speak on.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
It in the way that he does if he didn't
believe it or you know, he cares because he believes it,
and he communicates passionately like and effectively because.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
He believes it.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
He's wildly compelling. Yeah about it. Yeah, Like he stopped
doing music for a while, did focus on deft, Yeah
for sure. So I get that one a lot.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
And like, if I recall correctly, she.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Was saying that like he like had a hand in
like the CIA, you know, and like what blows me
away with the whole UFO thing is that you've got
like congressional hearings where like for the first time ever,
like they're saying, yes, there's proof of aliens and UFOs

(52:15):
and like this happens, and like nobody seems you know,
it's surprising to me that these podcasts about that stuff
perform so well on the Internet because as a collective,
like the collective consciousness doesn't seem to give a fuck.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
About which is wild Yeah to me, I'm not UFO guy,
but I'm wildly interested in it now, and I'm interested
that nobody's interested, right Like that to me blows my
mind because just the science of it, and no heat
signatures on these things going faster than we have the
physics to a lot like right, breaking what we even
know scientifically, not that what we can create, because there

(52:57):
are things we can't create that we know, Like we
know certain laws, we know the speed of light. We
can't create something to go speed light, but we know it.
We don't know these are going so fast. We don't
even know what they're doing, there's right. So the fact
that nobody cares, I say, nobody did general r blows mine.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Cares so much about the Kardashians and like this and stuff.
The other thing too, to the extent that aliens can
and perhaps do operate and manipulate our third dimensional experience
if they were gonna get us I feel like they

(53:38):
probably could, and if they were inclined to, they probably would,
so either like.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
We're probably taking care of us. That's kind of what
I've had to decide, because exactly what you think, if
they wanted to rid us, they would sure because technologically,
if it's so advanced right that they could flick us
like we could an ant. Because they haven't, there must
be a reason they haven't.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
You know what I think is that And and this
translates from before I got clean and sober, when I
was at the end of my run and like routinely
experiencing what's called psychosis, which was like at its highest
level of insane, when I was like multiple days into

(54:25):
a cocaine bender and almost to the exclusion of air
inhaling nitrous oxide, you know, like day three of a
coke bender, breathing in nothing but nitrous oxide.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
I was on one and like I.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Was hearing voices and watching people walk around who are
never there, like I was in the spirit realm, and uh,
like my spirit friends from what I can remember, told
me that they're not a lot.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
I was like, you know, like, oh, I'll do this.
They're like, oh, you know, like we got to stand
in our lane. We're not allowed to like.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Fuck with your side of things, you know, like there's
there's laws like that we can't.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
And that.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
And I've heard this from many other like sort of
you know, wacky sources, but like to the rest of
the universe, within all of the its dimensions and all
of the energy and entities, like Earth is the most
fucking fat they're glued to it. It's like the most
fascinating thing. They're not allowed to fuck with our free will.

(55:33):
They're not allowed to like manip you know, they just
watch and and and care. And there I think to
your point, they're rooting for us. They're they're like, I
don't think they can help us, but I think that
they care about us and they want us to do well.

Speaker 5 (55:51):
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Speaker 2 (56:06):
I watched that documentary to forget the name of it,
but it was a lot of those guys that were astrophysicists,
had worked in the government, Like they have no reason
to say things. They're not gaining anything by it. As
a matter of fact, they probably are losing things by
saying it, and they're out and they're talking about again
the science of what we don't know yet these things
are still able to do. But the one thing that

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they kept talking about was the many times that we
would try to do something nuclear, that something would exist
that wasn't there before. And that just lends to what
we were talking about. Where listen, we could blow each
other up right like that. And there were a couple
instances we dropped the Adam baumb on Nagasaki, but there

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have been so many other instances with nuclear weapons where
supposedly we've tried or so other country has tried, yet
something has still stopped it from happening. I believe it,
and that to me wild And if that's the case,
that's something taking in. Yeah, I suppose like we're taking
us more self even I'm.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
So into like spiritually, you know, like I'm less concerned
about UFOs and aliens than I am about like, uh,
soul contracts, you know, life review, like NDEs, you know.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
Like reincarnation, like all this kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
And as I understand it, like you know, going and
pulling from wacky sources and people who have had NDEs
and tell their stories, it seems pretty credible. Like the
number of different sources I've described that have described.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
At the spirit level, before.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
We incarnate as human beings, that we pick our parents.
We agree to a blueprint, like like what our challenges.
We decide sort of what we want to be challenged with,
like how to evolve as spirits, and we'll map out
a blueprint for the challenges that will face. And you know,

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maybe the challenges are gonna involve like being like heinously
disabled or like, you know, like super poor, maybe like,
you know, challenged by how you're gonna.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Handle like being incredibly wealthy.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
You know, like I should have picked that one because
that fed up life. I should have picked the incredibly
wealthy one.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
Right, But now the incredible wealthy one.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Is uh, that's a big you know that, that's a
big spiritual challenge.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
I think that, Like I think that.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
I guess if you're always wealthy, you grow wealthy from
the beginning, you to understand, right, But if.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
You're if you're like like, there's a book that I
just finished listening to. The audiobook I sen to the
modern translation of the modern English translation.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Of the book that was written in French in eighteen.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Fifty seven by a guy under the pseudonym CARDK someone
something last name Cardak, and it's called The Spirits Book.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
This guy himself was not.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
A medium, but like he was all interested in it,
and he would meet with mediums and whenever he was there,
the mediums would be getting way more serious like communication whatever,
you know. And so like with communicating with all different
mediums all around, like this guy drew like a way

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higher level of like serious communication through the mediums. And
it became clear that the spirits wanted this guy to
write a book. And it's called the Spirits Book, and
like it's.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Back in eighteen fifty seven.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
When it was written, like it was calling stuff out
that science didn't know about, you know, like was it's
there's just a lot of like super credible stuff. It
verified stuff that like all these people with the near
death experience would be talking about, and it uh fascinating stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Like I listened to that whole Spirits book, you know,
all like thirteen hours of it, and it talked a
lot about signing up for for challenges and and that
signing up for a life of being wealthy is like
the biggest test because how are you going to handle

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the wealth? You know, like are you gonna are are
you gonna be useful? Are you gonna be a steward?

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
You know? Are you? Are you gonna? Are you gonna not?

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
And I think there's like you know, I mean, there's
no like such thing as pun and like the it's
all just devolution.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
It's the experience.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
But you know, being a dick and being selfish and greedy,
like like the consequences you face are not for the
purpose of punishing you. It's just very much reaping what
you sew.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
I don't think that we could say the word alien
or non human origin and spirit, and I don't think
those have to be mutually exclusive, absolutely not. Like I'm
so not attached to anything being certain, and that the
only thing I'm certain of is that I have no.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Idea, right, I mean, I think that it's probably a
little bit you know, like I think I remember, like
you know, when I when I got went to rehab,
like coming out of this whole crazy like psychosis, and
I'm like gnarly and like I was in rehab, like
it would be months, like nine months before I.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Could be trusted with the computer, you know, like you know,
as far as like regrettable emails and like a.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
You know, I was just nuts because I had just
done such tremendous damage to my like just the way
my brain works. And even before I went to rehab,
I was like I.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Took so much.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
I took it so seriously, like my interactions with the
spirit realm, that I was hallucinating in all this, you know,
and I really wanted.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
To get like down to to understand it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
And I would be like on YouTube trying to like
watch videos and figure it out.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
And then rehab, same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
I'm trying to to figure it all out.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
And everything pointed.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
To this this idea, I'm having a brain part but
like the I remember like in rehab about.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
The picking the parents and the.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
You know, but everything points to the soul is the thing,
and bought like I came up with this idea. I
was like, all right, so the soul with near death experiences,
you can kill the brain. Like people are brain dead
and they you know, they're floating above their body.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
What they're telling the doctor, Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
You were listening to this song, you use that tool,
and how the fuck do you know that you had
no brain activity? So then I remember thinking while I
was while I was in rehab, I was like, oh
my god, Like the brain is not the generator.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Of consciousness that science seems to believe that it is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
In fact, the brain is more of a receiver, you know,
if you think of it that way, Like our physical
body doesn't generate our consciousness in our mind and our thoughts,
but rather it's more like a radio that picks up
a signal. And I thought, man, like if you had

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this radio, if you take a radio and like blasted
with a sledgehammer just to smitherings, Like, sure you've destroyed
the radio, but you've done nothing to affect the city.
So like I start thinking of like our human body
as a radio and the soul is the signal, you know.

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And then that like makes a lot of sense. And
and uh, I think that that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
I think there's something really to that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
So like now we're talking in terms of the signal
the soul.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
I think, like, like to your point.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
An alien a soul totally interchangeable, you know. It's uh
like energy that they can't be ended, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
And nobody cares. Right, they're releasing things now and they're
they're they're doing massive dumps of it at once with
the distraction here, distraction there nobody cares.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
I know, and I care so much about like the
life review piece of it all.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Have you heard about that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
I'm not familiar with life yet.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
Okay, there's a saying and apologies to the people who
have heard me talk about try to keep this super
fast because I don't want to like retread too hard.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
But I care about it so much.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
There's saying that is as old as people. When you die,
your life flashes before your eyes, like.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
Thousands and thousands of people.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
There's a whole genre on YouTube of near death experience
videos where people have actually died. They have the experience
of dying like you know, the whole like and then
for some reason other there their spirit guides like God
likes is not. Your work's not done. You've got to
go back in your body. Nobody ever wants to go

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back in their body, but they kind of have to
a lot of time. They come back in their body, and.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Your job's not done. That's my picture of the things
I've been shown. Your job's not done.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
You got to go back, right, But why they're part
of what it is, And this is so it's so
important to me. It's like just such goosebumps and like
it's such a big deal. But the saying your life
flashes before your eyes, it's a reference to what's called
life review, and these people had the experience of it,
you know, the accounts are so consistent in so many ways,

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in so many instances.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
And what it is on the other side, like, apparently time,
as we experience time is like an illusion.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
It likes not it's not real, Like time doesn't apply
somehow in the spirit realm, Like there's just the eternal
now and everything is everything already happened, and there's only that.
So when your life flashes before your eyes and this
life review, it does so without the constraint of time.

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So like moments in your life are presented to you
as holographic images. Is wow, they describe it, but without
the constraint of time, which just allows for unfathomable immersion
in these moments, and you're not experience you're not just

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re experiencing it the way that you experienced it. Now
the veil is lifted and it turns out that that
we're all one thing, and so you're experiencing these moments
as everybody that you had an influenced everybody who you influenced,
So like if you were addict to somebody, now it's

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not you're just experiencing it as you are that person,
and you're unfathomably immersed in that person's feeling of being
fucked by you, you know, like it's an and like
with scientific precision of like reaping what you sew so
like and again it's not for the purpose of punishment.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
It's not so that you're punished. It's just so that
you have you reap what you're sew.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
It's the natural love, cause and effect and everybody who
you made and feel joyful, everybody who you loved and
you feel that it's just like you ultimately reap everything
that you sewed.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
And this is where the.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Concept of heaven and hell kind of comes out. But
it's not like black and white, like oh hell forever,
heaven forever.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
No, it's got all of the nuance.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
It's all of the like this the crazy remorse for
the things you did wrong, and all of the like
wonderful joy and love for and like with exact precision
to the extent that you deserve to feel that you feel.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
It, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
And so this I buy into so much because it
removes the idea of a third party judge, like where
you're at the Pearly Gates and God says you go
to heaven, like you not cool, you go to Hell?
You know, Like, no, a third party. It's actually like

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experience fulfilled.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
And if time isn't linear, that would explain why people
can see all and live through all of that in
a blink, because people that area, because the people that
will have these experiences and go, hey, I just my
life flashed before my eyes. A flash takes that long. However,
you can't live your life through that long in our
linear time, right for sure. So if it's not the

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time construct that we know, it could it could be
one hundred years, right, but a flash at the same time.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Absolutely absolutely, And different people have they describe it different ways.
Some people get away with like they don't even you know,
They're like, oh, You're only going to see the good stuff,
And I'm like, wow, man, that's not going to happen
to me, man, you know, Like, and I think that
to anybody listening right now, Like I would just encourage

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you to to ask your chat, GPT.

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
Or whatever your AI or Google, you know, like it's like, hey,
what's up with life review? Like, am I going to.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
You know, experience as those I did harm to the
harm I did to them and like just look into it.
But to imagine like that level of accountability, it's so
motivates so motivating for me, man, Like, I know that

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I was a fucking shitthead and like, particularly before I
got clean and sober, but like I hate to admit it,
I wasn't even that great like.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
After I got sober, you know, like and so I
just know that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
The one thing that I really really take a lot of,
I don't know, like pride and gratitude, is that the
overall trajectory that I was a veteran better guy as
I went along. Yeah, and you know, like the remainder
of my life I see as all opportunity for just

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stacking the good so that like I can sultiously have
a better life review.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
I appreciate you coming in, Jack asked best and last,
I've been a fan forever.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
Well, hey man, thanks dude.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
So this was super cool for me personally. But also
I love that that movie that the movie is going
to be that as you described, it's like, I.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
Mean, do you see us so young?

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Like and that it's just put together really really beautifully well,
which you kind of like come to expect from Spike
Jones and Jeff Tremaine and Johnny Knock, so like they've
always done a good job of putting it all together.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
But now like.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
The task at hand was to like celebrate it all,
you know, and like the finality of.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
It is it really really reads.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
And that's what makes it beautiful. And it couldn't have
lasted for as long as it did if what we
were doing was wrong. You know, That's what comes through
for it For me. I described Big Brother, which was
the genesis of Jackass, has like largely fucking evil.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
There's a documentary about Big Brother called Dumb The Story
of Big Brother, and I went to the screening of
that and I walked out just feeling fucking icky.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
Man. Like I was just like, oh, like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
The aggregate like just put together and presented, and its
totality like made me just feel like, god man, that
it was evil and I feel icky, But this like
it's just warm and fun, you know, Like Big Brother
was evil and Jackass had I genuinely considered to be wholesome.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Well, I appreciate the times either.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
Yeah, thank you brother, I appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Thanks for listening to a Bob Cast production