July 10, 2026 • 53 mins
Bobby and Eddie are back with another episode of Current Stuff! They dive into the rumored cost of a future Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce wedding and try to figure out just how expensive a celebrity wedding can really get. From $5 million flower budgets and over-the-top catering to guest NDA agreements and luxury venues, they break down every wild detail. Then, they debate the greatest cities in America. Does Santa Fe deserve all the hype? Is Boston underrated? Which cities belong in the conversation for the best in the country? Plus, they tackle some of the greatest American mysteries of all time, including what really happened to the prisoners who escaped Alcatraz, the disappearance of Amelia Earhart, theories surrounding the JonBenét Ramsey case, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hey, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We're gonna talk how much Taylor and Travis's wedding cost.
We'll talk about the best city in the US, not
just according to us, and probably some of the greatest
American unsolved.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Mysteries and we're going to solve them today. So Eddie,
welcome back. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
When you were watching all the Tailor and Travis stuff, Yeah, did.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
You have fomo? Did you have go Away? What'd you have? Dude?
I've always had a fomo, like I've had phono. Just
to be your friend, like to go to that wedding
would have been amazing and that what was really cool
is the footage of like people walking past security in
their suits and their and their dresses like oh yeah,
here's my scan, here's my code, and they're like, oh,
(00:52):
go ahead, sir. That looked really cool to me.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
There was a story of one of Taylor Swift's co
writers who got the invitation in email and thought it
was spam and deleted it.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Oh no, yeah, so his wife was mad. That was
the story. Were they able to go though they were still?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I don't know that I didn't click into it enough.
So I have the numbers of how much the wedding cost.
Oh gosh, there's a wedding website that claims Taylor Swift
and Travis Kelsey's wedding costs between twenty and thirty million dollars.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Man, that's a lot. But I guess if you're that rich,
what is that? What is that couple hundred bucks?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
If you have a couple billion, we could do that.
See what Taylor's worth and then do the twenty do
twenty five million, we'll do that.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
And that's just Taylor's worth. Are you doing trousers too? Yeah,
because he's really paid for the wedding. I'm actually Taylor
playing for the wedding.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
But that's unfair of me to think, Like, wouldn't you
think Taylor's paying for the wedding?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yes, because I don't think they're going to pay for
it halfway.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
And if Kelsey's worth, they say, what eighty million?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Hu, that's a quarter of his networth to be paid
for the whole thing. So traditionally, the bride's father pays
for the wedding. Traditionally the groom's family pace for the honeymoon.
Do you think any of that was done with these families? Like,
do you think do you think Travis's family was like,
(02:17):
you know what, you guys got the wedding, let's just
do it traditionally, we'll get the honeymoon. No, not at all.
Why would they. Did they even offer? Probably not.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I mean when I married my wife, nobody paid for
anything except I. Did anyone offer like, I didn't allow them.
It was just set up front. Hey, it wasn't said
I should not say that. I did ask him. It
was okay, and then it was, Hey, I don't want
you to have to worry.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
About the wedding. Got it all covered, dude? I hope.
I mean, I have all boys, so I guess I
would just pay for honeymoons. But I would hope like
I got that from like the the bride's family. Hey,
don't worry, we got all of it the bride's family.
What about if the bride, if the bride was super rich,
that'd be great too. Yeah, okay, Mike, what do you see?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
So Taylor Swift is worth two billion dollars, If it
costs twenty five million, this would be one point three
percent of her total networth.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
So what would it be to somebody who made eighty
thousand dollars?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
So They say, the average typical American has a seventy
three thousand dollars a year. This would be them donating
one point nine one dollars a dollar ninety one cents.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
A dollar and ninety one cents for the wedding. Way
a dollar ninety one is the comparison.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
If they made one hundred thousand dollars, it'd be two
dollars and sixty cents.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
So do they look at this as a like, wow,
what a steal? Like we got massive square garden. We're
just trying to get my head wrapped around this. You're
telling me she's worth two billion.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
If they spent twenty five million on this wedding, that
was just a couple bucks to the average person that
it was a not even a Starbucks.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Not even a Starbucks. That's what you're telling me.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
That's what the internet says.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Dude, cheaper than a pack of gum.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I don't know what gum costs these days. It's not
it's more than that a pack. I see the big
like canisters. Okay, holy crap. Okay, so here we go
the breakdown. It says anywhere from twenty to thirty million.
We'll just do twenty five it's from the not five
to ten million for renting Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, I would think that's the most expensive.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Including in the rental several days of load in and
load out because on the days you're loading you have.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
To have it.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, And are you using their people plus infrastructure to
transform the venue?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Probably some their employees.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
They wouldn't let any of the employees actually work inside
during the wedding. I read wow, and some of them
that I believe releasing information got fired. So you're using
some of the employees, Oh wow, but there were The
story that I saw was employees at Madison Square Garden
that released some of the information were fired immediately.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, you should know that immediately. Like as soon as
you get that job, you're like, all right, all this
stuf's going to have to be pretty confidential. You have
some an NDA. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
But then let's say you're making forty bucks an hour,
but someone's going to give you twenty grand for that information.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
You're probably going, hey, did this job anyway? Yeah? Yeah,
So that's the venue rental, Yeah, I would, and I
would think that's the most expensive.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, So let's say seven million dollars for the rental
to day gosh, And.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
It's always hard because.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
When we got married, we were going to go look
around at places.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
What you look at Titan Stadium. We didn't bridge Stone.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
We ended up just doing it in our backyard obviously.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
But we built a venue.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I get a tent, Yeah, big tents, which was we
thought would be the smarter idea.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
It ended up costing us more than had we got
a cool venue. Was it crazy to look because it
was your your tennis court or basketball court? Right? Was
it crazy to like think, wow, we're on the basketball
court right now. But it's actually it looks like a
really nice reception.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
So I never saw while it was being built. And
then obviously the day of the wedding, I didn't go
down there. What I really worried about was how were
we gonna ge how's we gonna get the court to
look normally again? I want to play the ball on
we got because we had so many people and they
had to take part of the fence down from around
the ball court.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Oh wow, I didn't really some.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Stayed up but because you had to like enter, Uh yeah,
it was weird, but it ended up costing us more
to build it. We thought we'd save money, but we
built a venue in the backyard. Five million dollars for
flowers that it's a lot of flowers.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Golly, that's every flower. That's a lot of flowers.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Because think, how do you get that many flowers? You
have to bring in flowers from flower shops all over America?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Forget that, dude, where are the fields? Like, where are
they coming from? Well, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
It's like everywhere that they have to go and cut
flo Yeah, it's you're driving just trucks from Idaho with.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Flowers in it. Yeah. I think there were any fake
flowers there? No chance, no chance, dude. Can you if
they found a fake flower in there? That would just
be so tacky.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Three million dollars for catering.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah. Did you see though that people were having to
stand up and sometimes the catering took forever. It took
like a long time to get fed.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I saw the story that people were having to stand
up at the buffet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's and I
thought it was weird there was a buffet because that's
so normal.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Uh huh. Buffet is like what normal people do. I'd
love a buffet. I thought it was kind of.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Weird for that all you can eat, I would assume
it's all you can y yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
But then I saw people were like saying that story
wasn't true that were at the wedding.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Oh really Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Then Jason Kelsey had over fifteen beers.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
He said, I believe that. Yeah. I didn't know while
watching it if you wished you had been invited? Yes?
And then for a minute there I saw Mike was
in New York at that same time. I thought he
was going. No, I thought, because you know, Mike has
weird like connections through like booking the show, and he
knows people, And like, did Mike get invited to that
freaking wedding? Because I you got.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Invited, right, I asked him, and he didn't give me
a straight answer.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
So he hasn't given me a straight answer either, And
you won't give me a straight answer now, if you
were invited. I have a lot of friends that were
invited and it went.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Friends that went, which is pretty cool, but only one
of them that I'm close to will talk a little
bit about it.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Would you talk all about it if you went? No,
like to your friends? No, my mom immediately.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
If I were to have signed something, I definitely wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Oh you think they signed something too, like everybody did.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Of course, they all posted pictures on social media the
next day at the same time. It was almost like
they all got a text GOO and you're clear to post.
So yeah, I think it was all pretty strategic. The
people that posted the most, I felt like were the
people that really didn't know where that well, were just like,
look at me, only crap.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I got invited?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, because people some people kept posting over and over
and over again, like magical day in New York.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Something just happened in New York. It's a New York
kind of day.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I was like, we get it, you got invited because
you don't need to do seven different posts there.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
What would you What would you think if I got
I invited you to my wedding and I made you
sign an NDA? We were going to do something ill legal.
That's the Bachelor party dude.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, that would be the only reason that because why
would you have me sign an NDA to come to
a wedding?
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Nia. I don't know. It just feels weird, but I
get it. Taylor and Travis, it's a different level. I
get it. But an NDA to a wedding, just that's
got to be so weird. I bet it's very, very
very rare.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, And probably the NDA to not just go to
the wedding was probably not to share anything about it,
pre not to post about it. It was probably that
what was in it more so than but there was
I'm sure you can't talk about the wedding.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
And there are still no photos from the wedding, like
so so the picture with Adam Sandler were in shorts,
that's fake, aikay.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Some really good AI pictures came out, but Daily Mail
had a couple of pictures that someone had snuck from
the wedding. There was one of a picture wall when
I locked in, which showed a dog. Them holding a dog.
So I guess they have a dog, which.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Is pretty normal of them.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
We didn't know, and how normal of them too to
not share that.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, not to use that dog.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Is like some sort of hey, look at us, like
how normal we are? So I saw the picture wall.
There were some pictures like the red steps a little
deeper up in but they were scanning people for not
only phones, They took their phones for small cameras and
they were scanning people to make sure their glasses weren't metaglasses.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Oh yeah, because I mean that's that's one way to
do it. Yeah, and I have a pair of those.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
It's so obvious there metaglasses because there's two circles on
each side. And then if it's dark, you see them
light up. Yeah, if it's daylight, you don't. But I
tried to do some shooting on mine once doing an
award show and I thought, I'm going to turn these on,
and someone say you can't go out there like that
on TV.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Because the lights. I was like, they're lights.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Like.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Luckily somebody told me or I would have gone out.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I've seen someone on TikTok who can take that off.
You can hire them and they'll make them look like
regular glasses.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, but they still unless they could cover up the circles.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Oh they take it.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, they take it all off.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Oh, it's not just the lights circle. And somebody on
tiktoks always up to something.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I always they like meet in a parking lot, like, hey,
give me your lasses, all right, getting.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Back for you to date.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
So Santa Fe was named the best city in the
United States according to Travel and Leisure. The best cities
are and they list them. Santa Fe is at number one,
and it's a lot of things. It's what's to do,
their culture, food, how nice the people are, jobs, like,
all of this matters. So Santa Fe at one. Yes,
(11:30):
I've performed in Santa Fe.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Was that with you? No? Okay? Because I was like,
I don't think I've been there. It is very quick.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
It was one of those where since it was night
one of the touring on the weekend, you don't stay.
You land and go into the back perform and.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Just get on the bus right after and leave. So
where is where did I go?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
They had the spot the restaurant though it was one
of my favorite restaurants ever. Is that New Mexican Albuquerque?
Oh no, the New Mexico unless it was Santa Fe.
See check out the spot and type of New Mexico restaurant.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
But if that's the if that's the place, I was
there with you? Yeah, So it wasn't sant.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
It must have been a second time Santa Fe number one.
I don't know if the spot still in business, but
that was the best break It was the best breakfast
I've ever had in my life. It's the number one
breakfast all time.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
What do you remember about it? Did It was pork belly.
It was a pork belly breakfasts with.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Eggs, and it was a you know, kind of a
text Mex Spanish type Mexican breakfast.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
That wouldn't be text Max, that would be Mexican New
mechs texts New Mex text New Mex Mex. It was good.
I don't think it was Santa Fe. I think it
was Albuquerque probably. Yeah. I remember also mad at you
because you went without me to get that breakfast and
then you came back. Dude, I had the best breath.
R rates Santa Fe.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Number one reader said, three hundred days of yearly sunshine,
robust food scene. Yeah, I bet the foods. Really before
I give you number five, it can't be somewhere that
you've lived. If you were to pick a favorite city
in the United States, it is Chicago.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I love Chicago. I love Chicago too. However, in the
winter you no good, No, it's Antarctica. It's way too cold.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I like you love Chicago and even the spring can
be cold. Yeah, because I would go to Cubs games
in the spring and not wear enough layers and freeze
my off and then I'd go sign up for credit
cards just to get extra clothes. Dang it, because they'd
be offering sweatshirts if you sign up for a credit card.
Chicago Awesome makes a list at number five. Okay, New
Orleans at number four.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
It's different. It's fun.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
For me, it's not that fun because you don't that
tourist culture is drinking yes and partying yes. And there
are friends of mine that have lived in New Orleans
that love it and go that part is really not
what we're about.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
It's kind of like Nashville.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
We live here and people think in Nashville is all
country music and let's go to Broadway and just get drunk,
or let's have a bachelorette party. Yeah, this town really
isn't that, but that's why people come. That's the tourist attraction.
New Orleans, I think has a similar situation. But for me,
I don't even like the tourist park because I don't drink.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
What about the food? Do you like the food there?
It's fine, I'm not going into spicy food. Really, no
Cajun Oh it can be good, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
But yeah, New Orleans is not for me. I like
the people from Louisiana.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
But nice people. Yeah, the music's great. It's too hot.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
It's muggy, and I don't mind hot, but it's like hot,
humid all the time.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
That's muggy. Number three Savannah, Georgia. Have been there. It's small.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I went to Savannah for American Idol. We did when
we would travel out to different cities.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Isn't that where they shot Forrest Gum? It is?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
And there's a bench. The bench is there and it's
got a plaque on it.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
We went. It's pretty cool. I've never been to Savannah.
Number two Charleston, South Carolina. Love it. I love it.
I love coast towns anyway, so like that's that. I
love that it's you know, coastal. But ever been for
fun though, No, we've been a couple of times.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
We've been with the show and then we've toured through there.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
But I had one day where I went and kind
of just kind of toured the downtown area, which is
like so beautiful because one it's coastal, and two it's
so old and like I love old architecture like that.
It is just really cool. And then the trees with
the moss and all that looked really cool.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I'm gonna put my city to be Boston. I love
Boston also like Chicago. I don't want to have anything
to do with Boston for about three months of the
year December, January, February, no chance.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Too cold, man, too cold. I don't like cold weather anyway.
But Boston it's elite.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
It feels clean, everything moves fast.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
The food's good.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I'm not even a big seafood guy, but just great seafood.
They have a great sports culture, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
The big Yeah. I like Boston a lot. I remember
the people like I was always just like, oh, these people,
like they seem tough and like very I don't know, like,
are they gonna fight me everywhere I go? But it's not.
They're so The people in Boston are so nice. Yeah,
they're a little rough around the edges. They talk like
they're rough around the edges, but they're really nice. And
are they rough around the edges or or they just
(16:06):
direct with an accent? I think that's what it is. Yeah,
And that's all I saw from TV. You know, it's like, oh, Man,
Mark Wahlberg, dude, you'll just beat me.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Up by I see them on the streets, like I
never felt like I was in danger.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I just didn't talk back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. The
city I'm gonna put in here too.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
My outlier that no one's ever gonna pick because I
don't think enough people go there is Cedar Rapids Iowa.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Ah, tell me more about cedar Rapids.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
You go and it smells like crunch berries? What because
the Quaker oats plant is there?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Oh, the actual crunch berries are there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
And I think if I lived there and my clothes
smell like crunch berries, which I don't know if that
happens or not, you would hate it. I probably hate it.
But the people in Iowa. If we were just listing
like states with the nicest people, Iowa makes top three
for me because they were so nice.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
And i've been Iowa City Cedar Rapids.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
I mean not to spend enough time in Iowa to
really like it. And cedar Rapids is a great time.
Winter probably out too.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, across the board, no winter in.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Cold places, so it wasn't snowing when you went.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Cedar Rapids Iowa was amazing. Another place that I really
liked was Boise, Idaho. Really a lot of culture, great food, potatoes,
I didn't see many potatoes, and like really nice people
and a lot of outdoor Oh that's cool.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
They're very they were very active.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, And I spent about a week up there because
we were shooting my net Geo show, so it was
more than just going in for a night and doing
a tour stop. We stayed for a week, so we
actually would have a day off. And Boise, Idaho was
pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Gosh, that's cool to hear, because like, you don't think
of Boise Idaho for I wanted to bring it up vacations,
Cedar Rapids, right, that's cool. I went through San Francisco
on the list.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
You went one time during the Super Bowl and they
were when they were on their p's and q's, like,
not true, they cleaned everything up.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Not true. I went when I was like eleven years old,
and the memories I have of San Francisco were really cool.
Back then, like it was I remember it being colder
than I liked, but it was just that time of
year where like it was just the wind was coming
off the bear or whatever. But then when we went
for the super Bowl, dude, I mean that just kind
of solidified everything I'd ever thought of San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I really liked that trip and I liked our time
in San Francisco on that occasion. But they really cleaned
that city up for the super Bowl because they knew
all eyes.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Were on it. They were taking homeless people off the streets.
They had more cops out. Oh, I didn't realize that.
I like San Francisco. They wanted us to see what
was really just what it was like on a normal day.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
I would say it was an abnormal day. We also
were in a nice hotel. We were also there for
the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
That's all right, that's right. Cool city. Yeah, very expensive city.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I've been when they weren't super cleaning it up, and
it's good.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I just loved seeing people like walk everywhere. And the
hills are crazy to walk up. I know, I know.
One of our guys, Remember we were scared he wasn't
gonna make it. Was a Brandon. It was Brandon. We
were scared he wasn't gonna make it. We had to
carry his bags. Oh that's right. And by we, was
it you or Red? It was you know? It was
me you Matt Castle, No, who carried his bags? I
(19:08):
think we all just because he had two bags. I
think we were like, all right, I'll carry this one
you carry that one? Did you almost die in San Francisco?
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Well, so the first time I was carrying like a
bag that was like sixty seventy pounds because I had.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
All my gear, it wasn't okay.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
And then on the way back it was. It was
just super hilly, and halfway through, former NFL quarterback Matt
Castle offered to take my bag and which was super helpful.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, because by that point it's eighty or ninety pounds.
I bet it be your own, right.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yeah, it's funny too, Like people walking down the hills,
you're just like skipping like that. Love this place. Walking
up You're like, oh gosh, it's crazy. It is never
gonna hang tight.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
The Bobby cast will be right back. Wow, And we're
back on the Bobby Cast, which leads.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Me to the next thing, which is a perfect seguay.
So I have great American mister, that really haven't been solved.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
We don't really know the answers, but we have to
give an answer. Okay, Number one speaking to San Francisco,
and I'll give you some details. Did the Alcatraz escape
actually work?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
So it's an.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Island San Francisco prison, yep, prison on the island for
almost thirty years. Alcatraz was America's escape proof prison.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
It's on the island, the middle of the San Francisco Bay,
freezing water, strong currents, several miles from shore. When they
built it, as it was a living prison, the FBI
believe that nobody could actually make it.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Out of there.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
June nineteen sixty two, three inmates changed what people thought
was possible. Frank Morris and the two brothers John and
Clarence England had spent months secretly digging through the walls
of their cells using homemade tools made from spoons.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
And a vacuum cleaner motor. Legit.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
They hid the holes with fake wall panels.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah. Have you seen the pictures of those fake wall panels?
Who fell for that? Forbody?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
There was somebody that wasn't looking, or somebody that knew
and didn't care, or the mannequins. Have you seen because
they put the fake faces that they put while they
were they're supposed to be sleeping.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
It really wasn't them, dude. Those look like terrible cartoons.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Yes, So it's either people who didn't care or people
who were like inmates who were paid off. Yeah, yeah,
so they made the realistic dummy had Those were made
of a soap, by the way, soap like, that's how
they made those heads.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
They shaved them out of soap.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
You gotta kind of be a good artist to do
that too, even a bad one, a bad fake head.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
It's hard to make out of soap. Yeah, but you
gotta think they have a lot of time. So like
if the first draft, if you gave me.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
A year and a pencil on a notebook, I ain't
drawn anything better than I would in five minutes. Uh,
they made it was soap. It was toilet paper. They
used real human hair that they had collected from the
prison barber.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
No way, these guys were good and the guards walked
by thinking they were sleep.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Supposedly, once they escaped their cells, they climbed through maintenance tunnels,
got onto the roof, climbed down the outside of the prison,
inflated a homemade or aft made from more than fifty
stolen rain coats. Think about the ingenuity of these guys
to do all of that, Yet they didn't do that
before they got to prison.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
And they disappeared into the darkness. They were never seen again.
The FBI investigator of seventeen years and concluded they most
likely drowned in the Icy Bay. No bodies were ever recovered,
even stranger family members claimed they received postcards and Christmas
cards from the brothers for years afterwards.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Let's Go Baby.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
In twenty thirteen, the San Francisco Police received a letter
supposedly written by John Angling, claiming he had survived and
was living under a different name. The letter has never
been proven authentic.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
So that's the story. Yes, you want the three main
theories or do you want to tell me yours? Uh,
you can give me the three main theories. Number one,
they drowned trying to cross the bay. Easy.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Number two, they successfully escaped and looked quietly under new identities.
Three they made it to shore but died shortly afterward.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Oh. Interesting.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
So the question is was it the greatest prison escape
in American history? Or do they die trying.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I'm gonna go with theory number two. I believe they
made it. I believe they made it. If you look
at like, was it Ted Bundy, you know back then
and this was way before Ted Bundy back then? If like,
who was looking for him? The San Francisco Police Department. Yeah,
unless it was in your local newspaper.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
You really didn't know much about it, Yeah, unless you
saw it on the news, and the news four states away.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Probably wasn't talking about it exactly. Yeah. So if you
made it, which I think they made it, and it's
been proven so many times by like people swim, I
think they have a yearly swim from Alcatraz Island to
San francis another island. Sure, I get it, but I
mean they've proven that it's possible.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
They've proven but it's always been Olympic athletes doing it,
h not just normal people, but that when the normal
people do it, I believe they swim from that island
to a different island. I don't think they go all
the way to mic on this, but I think the
swim is from Alcatraz Island to a different, smaller island.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
And I mean we're assuming they tried to go to
San Francisco. Well, like, we don't know where they tried
to go. That's where you'd have to go. Now you
can go to some of the other islands on the
other side, right, Yeah, but eventually you're gonna have to
go to San Francisco. Yeah. Yeah, No, I think they
made it. I think that the whole theory of like,
oh no, that they they couldn't swim that far, or
the raft busted, the sharks got them all that like, No,
(24:24):
I think they made it, and then I think they
lived under fake identities.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
It was a really good on Solid Mysteries back in
the day. Really, they did a really great episode on this,
and I didn't look at this up well, now it
probably doesn't hold up, but back then it was pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
You know what, we need a new movie because the
all we have is the Clin Eastwood movie. I've never
seen that. It's so old. It's I think it's from
the seventies. Maybe pretty good though, it's good, but we
need like an updated one. Mike, what do you see
about the swim that people do?
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah, they swim from the Alcatraz Island to San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
They do. It's not another island. They're going straight. Normal
people mic or no people. Normal people. Wet suits, though,
do allow you to float. But these guys had forty ringcoats. No,
that was for a raft though.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Okay, so I'm gonna say one or two of them
probably made it alive.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I think if they're three, they don't all three make it? Wow,
what are the odds? I'm just doing numbers here. No,
I think they died. You think they made that. They
died in the bag because.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
It was nighttime. Think about a raft of raincoats. I
don't think the raft gets them very far. I think
the raft is kind of okay, let's go, get out,
get out, get out. Well, this sucks is going way
too slow. Who brought a paddle? I did, and I
thought you did? Oh god, there's no paddles.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
I love that scenario. And then the swim.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Maybe one or two make it, but there's no way
all three of them made it.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Okay, but they committed to the bit I did. I'm
telling you, through the years, I've changed my mind about it,
because at first, like when I was eleven years old,
I was like, this, give me a break. They died,
they didn't make it, they drowned. And then later you
start hearing just people being able to swim that far.
And I think we found out that there really aren't
(26:02):
sharks in that bay.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
If there were, they wouldn't really allow the people with
the wet suits this one. I mean, if they felt
like and there may be different seasons where there's some
sharks in there. Yeah, okay, so you're gonna go with
they they made it. I'm gonna go with my official statement.
One of them made it.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I like that, and that one is the one sending postcards.
How ballsy though, to send postcards, that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Maybe it was also just somebody that was like hoaxing postcards,
like wanting attention.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Nancy got three weren't here because.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Missbusters recreated it and they found it was plausible. They
recreated the raft and everything in said it was possible
that they made it.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
They do it at night.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Well I don't know about that, because this.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Was in the middle of the night. It wasn't the night. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Next up, did Amelia Earhart crash or survive? In nineteen
thirty seven, Amelia Earhart was attempting something that no woman
had ever done, fly around the world. She and her
navigator were on the final legs of the journey when
they lost radio contact somewhere over the Pacific Ocean near
a tiny island called Howland Island. Then nothing, no distress call,
(27:08):
no confirmed wreckage, no airplane. The US launched the largest
air and sea search in history and found absolutely nothing.
Nearly ninety years later, we still do not.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Know what happened. Here we go with the theories.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Number one, she simply ran out of fuel and crashed
into the Pacific.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
From everything I've read, this is still most likely the scenario.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Number two, she managed to land on a remote island,
survived for days or weeks, and then died as a castaway.
Number three, she was captured by the Japanese while flying
near islands they controlled.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Oh wow, And the question is the.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Question is what happened? What do you think happened to
a million areheart? Was a crash, was it an island,
survived for a while, then death, or something else.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I'm gonna go with the one. I'm going to go
with the one she ran out of fuel and just
went nose dive into the Pacific. How do you run
out of fuel?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Though, if you're flying that long and you have to
watch your fuel unless the tools are the gauge break.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
She was making stops along the way, you know, to
my point, you feel she has makes something.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
That's the number one thing to pay attention to if
you're flying all the way around the world.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
But what year was this? Those gauges can't be trustworthy.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Had a Bronco that it didn't even work. Like the seventies,
I had a.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Car like that too, where like it couldn't go all
the way down because all the way down on the
gas meant like it was very very empty. So like
once it hit a quarter, you're like, dude, I'm in trouble.
I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
She was captured by the Japanese because there's a blurry
photo that they can't quite make out who it is,
and it looks very similar to her body frame and style,
and it's from that time, and.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
The Japanese have her m because they think she was
a spy. Oh, but she was just trying to be
the first woman to fly across.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
But every spy is just trying to, you know, be
the soup eating champion, right, They never say working office building.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, they never actually trying to spy. Have you seen
there's a guy who is like, I mean, he's dedicated
his whole life to prove that she's in the Philippine
or that she crashed on that island in the Philippines
and that just over time, brush soil all that has
just buried the aircraft. But it's still there somewhere. You
would think they would have found it. I know, I know,
(29:30):
but but also that land that where it's at is
also inhabited by indigenous indigenous people, and so they're kind
of like they're not welcoming.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
The theory that she's a spy stemmed from rumors that
she was captured by the Japanese, which were fueled by
World War two propaganda films.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Was that around the same time, Yeah, I'm going with
spy though, okay, and you're going you're going with captured
by the Japanese.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yes, captured by Japanese and was a spy? Yeah, Well
what about aliens not spies? They come in check it
out themselves, and Japanese.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Never got ahold of them. Could she have been taken
by aliens?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I mean, on MythBusters it was plausible.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
I'm just surprised that wasn't one of your options.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Next up, who killed John beIN A Ramsey?
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Oh? Man, I you know, I don't know much about
this one. This is one American mystery I've never really like.
Dove deep in Well, let me tell you a little
about it.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
On the day after Christmas in nineteen ninety six, six
year old John bin A Ramsey was reported kidnapp from
her family's home in Boulder, Colorado. Her parents found a
handwritten ransom note inside the house demanding one hundred and
eighteen thousand dollars. Hours later, police, before police had fully
searched the home, John Bennet's father, discovered her body in
(30:50):
the basement. That immediately changed a case from a kidnapping
case into a murder investigation. Almost every part of the
crime scene became controversial. The ransom note was unusually long,
there were signs of both head injury and strangulation. DNA
evidence was collected, but none has ever identified the killer.
Nearly three decades later, no one has been charged.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Okay, so she was kidnapped, but then they found her body.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Which went from she is not kidnapped, she's been.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Murdered in the house. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, So the main theories are someone from outside the
family entered the home and committed the crime. Number two,
someone inside the home was responsible, and the scene.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Was staged afterward. Three The real.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Answer is something that we have no idea about. So
do you believe it was an intruder, someone from inside
the house, or that we'll just never know. Anybody followed
this case or watching the movies or anything. Because Netflix
has a movie I think they just bought that's going
to come out a boy this Oh that's cool. Just
from what you know limited, I don't know much other
than what you just told me, and that some people
(31:52):
sometimes think, uh, Megan Maroney is Jompany Ramsey Katie Perry.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
For a while, my wife your wife? Yeahh yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think somebody inside the family or somebody connected with
the fair, somebody connected with the family. It just seems
like there's too much hiding stuff and the fact that
she was never kidnapped kind of weird ransom note who
would do that?
Speaker 2 (32:18):
A really long ransom note? And then she wasn't even kidnapped.
She was dead, so they that was the staging of it,
meaning yeah, what do you think somebody probably well, I
think about the Elizabeth Smart story, I know, and they
thought that they thought it was they thought it was
the uncle, I know, but at first I thought it
was the parents, and they're like, we bet and the
parents like, investigate the crap out of us.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
We didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
And the whole time, well, the documentary is like that
uncle's kind of weird, and.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Then they show clips of his interviews, and I'm like, oh,
he did a weird got his answering stuff for sure,
that uncle did it. He didn't do it. He didn't
do it. The documentary made us think dad, and so
did the news.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Made everybody think that too, because they were going, he's
a suspect.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
They would show like clips of here in the background,
like making weird faces, and who knows, he might have
had a fly on his nose or something. I guess
he abducted her. He's crankling his nose at a weird time, right, Yeah,
So it's tough to blame it on a family member,
but I mean.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
But it ended up being it did end up being
somebody close to the family. It was somebody hired to
do some work around the house.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
So that's what I would, with the limited knowledge, assign
it to somebody close to the family.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Could be a family, but.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Somebody in that orbit that had access to get in
and do that and then probably staged it as well.
The fact there's all that DNA evidence and nothing.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I know, that's pretty wild. The weird thing about the
Elizabeth smart one is that how close she was to
the house for a while.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Oh, as she was abducted as she was abducted in the.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Woods, not that far away, and to think that there
were so many search parties that never found her and
she was really not that far away.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.
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Speaker 1 (34:02):
Next up.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Who is Jack the Ripper? By the way, what do
you know about Jack the Ripper? Just from me saying
the name?
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I think Jack was in London, that's right, right, and
rip people's faces off or something. He's a serial killer? Okay,
all right?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
So eighteen eighty eight, ah, those were the years. Over
just a few months, at least five women were brutally
murdered in the Whitechapel district. Whoa the killer taunted police
with letters signed Jack the Ripper.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Although much like.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
We mentioned Nancy Guthrie, we mentioned some of the other
ones here. Historians still debate whether he actually wrote them
or if somebody else wrote them for attention. The murders
terrified England. Newspapers covered it. Police interviewed hundreds of suspects.
It was the largest investigation.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Of that era.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
No one was ever arrested. More than one hundred and
thirty five years later, people are still trying to identify him. So,
but the guy was really good at ripping cutting. Oh okay, really,
so there are theories that he might have been a doctor,
a surgeon, or a surgeon.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Number one, he was an ordinary local man who blended
into the neighborhood. Number two, he was a doctor or
surgeon because of the injuries that were inflicted onto the victims.
Number three he was someone connected to royalty or the
government was protected as then they found out and then
protected them because of who they were.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
I don't think it's that one. I don't think he
was being protected. I just think back then, like they
didn't have the tools to catch people like it. It
was harder to unless you saw it. Yeah, it was
hard to find people unless you saw it.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
You didn't know who did it at all, right, and
then people could just lie.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Then you just believe them, yes, yes, and people like
to lie.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Or people's memories aren't always real life.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
So I just typed in, like, odds are who was
Jack the Ripper for betting on it?
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Okay, so odds are.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Jack the Ripper was Aaron Kozminski, a Polish immigrant and
barber living in the Whitechapel district at the time of
the nineteen eighty eight murders.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
That'd be the worst detective ever. I'd be like, yep,
that's him. Put him away, barber. He's a ripper. He
lives in Whitechapel. Take him.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
While a definitive legal conclusion is impossible due to the
age of the cold case, he is a prime suspect,
but was also It's like, this is eighteen eighty eight.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I know, so you think like a barber could do
that too well, because I like the surgeons it. Yes,
I didn't watch the movie, but I've heard of it.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
His office episode is really good about twenty todd. He
was the barber.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
That's what he did. Yeah, let's see who the top
three people?
Speaker 2 (36:48):
They say, okay, odds are there's Aaron.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Who are that? I'm gonna ask a different ai.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Who are the top three suspects as Jack the Ripper?
Speaker 1 (36:59):
And why? I think, like.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
You, it was probably somebody who did it was pretty
good at hiding and then just got away with it,
because how do you prove Yeah, it's eighteen eighty eight.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
But see even then though they would have just like,
I'm surprised they didn't just take.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
That guy or just pick somebody and go you the guy,
the guy kill him?
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
So number one Aaron kauz Minski.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Wow, dude, if it wasn't Aaron, I'd.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Be well all the Kaminsky's gotta be pissed because now their.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Name's been run to the mud.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Like that's terrible because Minsky's from down on Main Street
are like, what's happening here? Uh?
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yeah? So again?
Speaker 2 (37:32):
A Polish Jewish immigrant worked as a barber. He was
diagnosed with several mental illnesses.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Of course, he.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Had a documented hatred of women and suffered auditory hallucinations.
He was committed to an asylum in eighteen ninety one.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Hey man, it's not looking really good for Aeron, Like
all that stuff there sounds like it's Aaron.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
The weaknesses are there's no physical evidence, Yeah, no confession.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Modern DNA claims.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
That there's a shawl and there it's he's not on it.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Oh really yeah okay, like from one of the victims.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Yeah, so he still considered the leading suspect.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Number two. I'm sorry real quick, how do they how
did they take get DNA from like, okay, I get
the shawl that's they still have that, but from him family.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Remember, I would assume there was just a crime scene
and they just fingerprinted.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
It wasn't even about taking DNA. They didn't know what
DNA was, I think, but you said modern day DNA.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Of all the stuff they saved from the crime, they
would just go back on it and go, Okay, now
that we understand how to take DNA, let's see if
there's any that's still alive on any of this stuff.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Okay. And they found it, but it didn't match Aaron.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Of the shawl that they had when they found DNA
on it didn't match him. Now, they didn't have a
lot because they weren't saving DNA, but any of the
evidence that they had his evidence.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Or yeah, yeah, evidence from all the DNA they pulled,
they didn't have any that matched. Okay, that guy got it.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
And it's not even then like you'd wear gloves to
hide your fingerprints, because you know what that crap wasn't
he They also.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Compared it to DNA from his family's living relatives.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Okay, and they didn't match. Okay, So yeah, I did
see a documentary about another crime that they they solved
because they were able to get DNA from a family member,
like two generations and it matched someone from my family
or locked their crap down.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
If I'm on the hook for possibly doing it, and
you think there's a five percent chance, do not share
my DNA. No, not share your DNA. Don't pee in anything,
don't eat anything public, and I'll give you the top
three here. Number two is Montague John Drewett. Okay, he
was an educated.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Barrister. And I don't know what a barrister was. Do
you make barristers? What's a barrister? Isn't nothing on a stairwell?
H the real well? I thought it was a barista
at first. Yeah, what's a barrister?
Speaker 2 (39:54):
An educated barrister and school teacher, came from a family
with mental illness, was dismissed from his teaching job, committed
suicide in the river just weeks after the final murder.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Did he like women? Well, let's see, Mike, what's a barrister?
Speaker 3 (40:07):
What they call a lawyer in the UK?
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Oh, a lawyer and we're on in the UK on
this show on Netflix.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Sorry, Okay, I just no rule him out.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
The police chief at the time said he was the guy.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Okay, listed him as either the main or one of
his prime suspects.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
His suicide shortly after the murders made people go interesting.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
But he already had mental health issues. The only I
did too? Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Some theorized he had a psychological breakdown. He didn't live
in Whitechapel. There's no evidence putting him really there. In
many details came years after the murder.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Yeah, let him go. I don't know, man, did you
still hold him?
Speaker 2 (40:50):
I'm still hold him in the cell right now, I'm
holding Okay, one other one George Chapman Ready, okay, So
so Polish immigrant barber slash surgeon.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
There we go. Now we're getting there. He ain't making
enough money just doing surgery. You had to be a
barber too. Maybe he was like sometimes I buzz cut
my kids. Like maybe, like he just does it on
the side. What if you pay a little extra while
you're having surgery to get a hurricane buzz them up?
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Uh later became a convicted serial killer.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Okay, was he from Whitechapel.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
He poisoned three wives and was executed in nineteen o three.
That sounds they lived in Whitechapel during the murders. He
had medical knowledge. The inspector who investigated the ripper at
the time also believed he definitely could have been the ripper.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Wow, like in Live Time.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
The weaknesses are his known murders were poisonings, not knife attacks.
But you could counter that with he was a surgeon.
Maybe you just didn't know about the murders he did
right with knives and serial killers though normally don't do.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Multiple methods of killing. That's the generally just from.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
The history, they have one way to do it, but
there's no direct evidence. But those are the three that
AI says it probably is. Most people think it's one.
I've never been someone like in the nineties. I wasn't
a Bulls fan or a Cowboys fan.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
I don't really chase you know. That's not a popular opinion.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I don't want to go for
the winner. So I'm not going with the kaz Minskis.
And if you got the Kamiski's, if you're watching, I
apologize for everything you're going through. It's not fair. Yeah,
it's not fair to you. So I'm going with number three,
George Chapman, the barber surgeon.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Okay, you know what, I like George Chapman as well,
because I was all about Aaron put Aaron Away. But
I feel like whenever they throw mental you know, disorder
or whatever, it's like, hey, guys, we're all a little
messed up, Like you know, back then, it's just like, oh,
this guy's got adhd kill him.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
You know what I mean, Like it's so defferent brained
his ankle, put him down.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
He's worthless to us here on the farm. Yeah, so
I'm gonna go chatman with you.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
There was one honorable mention that they put here. And
so this guy, Francis Tumbolty. He was an American doctor.
People thought he was weird.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Hated women.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
He collected preserved female organs.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Okay, that's crazy those two go together. Hated women. I
wonder how people know that collected.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Preserved female organs, according to reports, and he also fled
England immediately after the murders. That's s us evidence is then,
but evidence is then all of them.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Yeah, because no one ever saw him do it, Like,
can't we just have one person like I saw him
do it? That's him?
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Yeah, because Minski's I hope it ain't you, guys, I'm
rooting for you.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
So they don't know who Jack the Repper is. But
that's the story. There you want one more? Yeah, I
love these. I've spent a lot of time reading about
this one.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Malaysia Airlines flight three seventy oh man, a plane that
just disappeared.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Yeah, I don't know much about this.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
In March of twenty four, Tina Boeing seven seven seven,
carrying two hundred and thirty nine people, took off from
Kuala Lumpur bound for Beijing. Less than an hour into
the flight, the pilots said goodnight. Those were the last
known words from the cockpit white box.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yeah, or you can hear you know. The recordings.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Shortly after, the plane's transponder stopped responding or transmitting.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
So it was shut off.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Military radar show the aircraft turning around and flying back
across Malaysia before disappearing all together like an unscheduled turn.
For years, satellites helped the investigators guess.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
So they would go.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
And look in the about the ocean super deep and
just vast wide.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
So they searched forever and the plane just ran out
of fuel, goes down. They searched tens of thousand of miles.
It's been the most expensive search ever. Only a few
confirmed pieces of debris have ever washed ashore, but some have.
The main wreckage has still never been found. But someone
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in there shut it off the plane, the or the
communication equipment, and then the plane ran out of gas.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
So when he said good night, who do you say
good night to the people on the plane or the
air traffic controller. I don't know the last thing that
was that was heard, because that's creepy. Was it good
night as in like all right, we're I haven't going
to bed? Or is it good night as in like
you're never gonna see us again? I haven't heard it.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
So they did, and Mike, I feel in fact check
me on this, one of the pilots. They went and
they were invest investigating him, and because they investigated everybody,
obviously they went and he had a flight simulator that
he was using and had practiced the exact thing that
happened here.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Oh really, well, I didn't know that. That's crazy. Also
might have made it up. I'm being honest. I'm having
a mic, but I hope not. I believe, but that's true.
I don't think I didn't make it up for like,
just for giggles.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
But the main theories are that someone in the cockpit
intentionally diverted the plane before it eventually crashed into the ocean.
A catastrophic mechanical or electrical failure left the plane flying
on autopilot intil a Rando fuel. Wow, there's some other
explanations that they haven't shared because it's in the middle
of an investigation.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
But the wreckage has never been located. Why would they
turn around?
Speaker 2 (46:32):
No, it just so you wouldn't go to the land,
so you just go out more over water.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Mike thoughts.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
Yeah, they collected and seized a flight simulator from somebody's
home who was a pilot, and they recovered deleted log
files on it that had the exact same route that
ended up happening. That shows him going into a remote
part in the Southern Indian Ocean.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
I mean that right there to me is like this
was planned.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Also, I'm glad I didn't make that up because that
had been Ye.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Yeah, yeah, you look smart. So that that's probably what happened.
That's probably I'm going to go with, that's happen.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
And the only other thing that I would think, because
I think there stuff gets planted all the time and
it ain't our government, and our government.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Plants crap all the time.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
That'd be an easy thing to go, oh, look, here's
this data of this guy doing this when he really didn't.
If it was shot down, there is another theory of
it landing on another island, like a military island that
was somewhat nearby and people.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
Were taking hostage that type.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
There's there's a lot of theories and ideas about this,
but it would just be so easy to plant that
evidence and make it seem like, well, that's so easy
if the guy was flying on a flight simulator and
had the same path, right.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Yeah, because you said that, and it sounds very easy,
like what are we questioning? Right?
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Like, it's open and shut if that's the case.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
My thoughts, Yeah, because if it was shot down, couldn't
it like sparked a war? If like somebody for sure,
and they're like, we don't.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Want to start a war.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
Let's just say this guy crashed it in to the
ocean yep.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
First.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Sure, And that's why I think, because that's so on
the nose and you go, yeah, that's it. But it's
so on the nose that it makes you go, is.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
That, yeah, it's that simple? How long ago is this fourteen?
I said, not long ago? You don't remember it. I
do remember it, I just didn't remember if it was
like super super long ago. What about what about like
the scenario of the TV show Lost, that they're on.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
An island somewhere, Well, that was one of the theories
was that they flew to this island add a massive
like a military base, but Lost, they're like in purgatory
or something.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Whoa dude, spoiler. I never watched Loss, but I but
that's it. Spoiler.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
There was that one documentary though about the people that
flew over the ocean that went back in time.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Oh, Manifest a documentary Legit. Yeah, yeah, that was really good.
But then like season two got weird. But yeah, season
one was really good at Manifest.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
The number one theory, according to check GPT the pilot
deliberately through the planet of the ocean. He was disabling communications.
The aircraft made a deliberate turn back six more hours
just down, no fuel boom. It's just so on the
nose about that flight simulator that it makes me question
if that's true. I know, I'm just gonna go with
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that's what happened. There are some people think it was
a hijacking.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
Yeah, but I then you would get on the radio
and be like we're being hijacked, and maybe they did. Again.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
I also think people hide stuff for, like Mike said,
political reasons too, like you don't want to start a war.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
If you can hide certain things, you do. Sure, but
probably it was someone who was sad he decided to
take everyone down without a way to do it. Yeah, Mike,
is there a good documentary or a movie on this,
not that I've seen. Okay, they're crazy.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Theories are One, it landed at a secret military base.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
I don't know. Two North Korea captured it. Somebody always
captures it.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
Three the US military I shot it down, and we
created this story I hope not, and we would have
shot it down based on who was on it. For Russia,
Russia hijacked it. Number five, which I don't think is
that crazy. Aliens or UFO has made it disappear.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
No, I mean, let's definitely consider that. The crazy thing
is we still have found the plane. Yeah, but the
ocean is very, very deep. The fact that they've they've
found a couple pieces means that it's in many pieces.
It's probably not. There are probably a lot of tiny
pieces left of that plane. And dude, the ocean. They're
(50:36):
probably probably gone.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
But if it was shot down, they wouldn't want to
recover all the evidence of it being shot down because
would be.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
Able to tell if it was shot down. So you
think they picked up all the stuff. I would think
if they were trying to hide it, they would get
rid of it. Oh my gosh, now I'm back to
their hiding it. That's why they found some pieces of it.
This is crazy.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
If I had a thousand dollars to bet on it,
and I'd get pretty good odds.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
Because this is not the most popular aliens. We shot
it down.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
Somebody shot it down and then created the story because
that's so on the nose about the pilot in the
flight simulator practicing that flight.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
That's such a lay up.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
So i'd make good money because I don't think that's
the favorite theory, but I think that's what I would pick.
Speaker 3 (51:24):
Could just imagine how scared people would be to fly
anywhere if that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
If what happened, if a shot he got shot down
and that was the news, like, yeah, this is what happened,
he got shot down, I'd never want to get on
a plane again. Well, i'd also be scared if one
pilot had all the power to take a whole plane
down too. But that's but that can easily happen. That's
why you put two up there. Yeah, but can't they
be friends and be like, let's do it together. You know?
Odds of that I don't know, like a pack, I
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don't know.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
I don't I would think of the odds be even less.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
Yea thousand bucks. I'm just gonna take it for what
it is. Simulator pilot just wanted to end it. Yeah,
I'm going I'm going with a favorite Alcomes Razor. What's
probably assumed probably is most most plausible. So yeah, when
they did this, it was unplausible. On MythBusters, they tried
(52:13):
the same thing and as possible. Okay, and that we're
not doing JEFFK. So we don't have time to do
a dude for sure. So we did Taylor Swift. Yeah,
we did Best Cities.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
Yeah, we did great American mysteries that haven't been solved
that we just went ahead and solved them for everybody.
Put this tape in the Smithsonian. Thank you to everybody
for watching Mike. Anything I said wrong that we want
to correct before I get a.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
Bunch of DMS NO, that was all right. That's it.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Thank you guys for watching. For watching on Netflix, we
really appreciate it. And if you're listening on podcast, equally
appreciated and we will see you guys next week.
Speaker 5 (52:55):
Byeyboddy, Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast auction
Hey, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We're gonna talk how much Taylor and Travis's wedding cost.
We'll talk about the best city in the US, not
just according to us, and probably some of the greatest
American unsolved.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Mysteries and we're going to solve them today. So Eddie,
welcome back. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
When you were watching all the Tailor and Travis stuff, Yeah, did.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
You have fomo? Did you have go Away? What'd you have? Dude?
I've always had a fomo, like I've had phono. Just
to be your friend, like to go to that wedding
would have been amazing and that what was really cool
is the footage of like people walking past security in
their suits and their and their dresses like oh yeah,
here's my scan, here's my code, and they're like, oh,
(00:52):
go ahead, sir. That looked really cool to me.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
There was a story of one of Taylor Swift's co
writers who got the invitation in email and thought it
was spam and deleted it.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Oh no, yeah, so his wife was mad. That was
the story. Were they able to go though they were still?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I don't know that I didn't click into it enough.
So I have the numbers of how much the wedding cost.
Oh gosh, there's a wedding website that claims Taylor Swift
and Travis Kelsey's wedding costs between twenty and thirty million dollars.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Man, that's a lot. But I guess if you're that rich,
what is that? What is that couple hundred bucks?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
If you have a couple billion, we could do that.
See what Taylor's worth and then do the twenty do
twenty five million, we'll do that.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
And that's just Taylor's worth. Are you doing trousers too? Yeah,
because he's really paid for the wedding. I'm actually Taylor
playing for the wedding.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
But that's unfair of me to think, Like, wouldn't you
think Taylor's paying for the wedding?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yes, because I don't think they're going to pay for
it halfway.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
And if Kelsey's worth, they say, what eighty million?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Hu, that's a quarter of his networth to be paid
for the whole thing. So traditionally, the bride's father pays
for the wedding. Traditionally the groom's family pace for the honeymoon.
Do you think any of that was done with these families? Like,
do you think do you think Travis's family was like,
(02:17):
you know what, you guys got the wedding, let's just
do it traditionally, we'll get the honeymoon. No, not at all.
Why would they. Did they even offer? Probably not.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I mean when I married my wife, nobody paid for
anything except I. Did anyone offer like, I didn't allow them.
It was just set up front. Hey, it wasn't said
I should not say that. I did ask him. It
was okay, and then it was, Hey, I don't want
you to have to worry.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
About the wedding. Got it all covered, dude? I hope.
I mean, I have all boys, so I guess I
would just pay for honeymoons. But I would hope like
I got that from like the the bride's family. Hey,
don't worry, we got all of it the bride's family.
What about if the bride, if the bride was super rich,
that'd be great too. Yeah, okay, Mike, what do you see?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
So Taylor Swift is worth two billion dollars, If it
costs twenty five million, this would be one point three
percent of her total networth.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
So what would it be to somebody who made eighty
thousand dollars?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
So They say, the average typical American has a seventy
three thousand dollars a year. This would be them donating
one point nine one dollars a dollar ninety one cents.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
A dollar and ninety one cents for the wedding. Way
a dollar ninety one is the comparison.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
If they made one hundred thousand dollars, it'd be two
dollars and sixty cents.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
So do they look at this as a like, wow,
what a steal? Like we got massive square garden. We're
just trying to get my head wrapped around this. You're
telling me she's worth two billion.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
If they spent twenty five million on this wedding, that
was just a couple bucks to the average person that
it was a not even a Starbucks.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Not even a Starbucks. That's what you're telling me.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
That's what the internet says.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Dude, cheaper than a pack of gum.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I don't know what gum costs these days. It's not
it's more than that a pack. I see the big
like canisters. Okay, holy crap. Okay, so here we go
the breakdown. It says anywhere from twenty to thirty million.
We'll just do twenty five it's from the not five
to ten million for renting Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, I would think that's the most expensive.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Including in the rental several days of load in and
load out because on the days you're loading you have.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
To have it.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, And are you using their people plus infrastructure to
transform the venue?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Probably some their employees.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
They wouldn't let any of the employees actually work inside
during the wedding. I read wow, and some of them
that I believe releasing information got fired. So you're using
some of the employees, Oh wow, but there were The
story that I saw was employees at Madison Square Garden
that released some of the information were fired immediately.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, you should know that immediately. Like as soon as
you get that job, you're like, all right, all this
stuf's going to have to be pretty confidential. You have
some an NDA. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
But then let's say you're making forty bucks an hour,
but someone's going to give you twenty grand for that information.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
You're probably going, hey, did this job anyway? Yeah? Yeah,
So that's the venue rental, Yeah, I would, and I
would think that's the most expensive.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, So let's say seven million dollars for the rental
to day gosh, And.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
It's always hard because.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
When we got married, we were going to go look
around at places.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
What you look at Titan Stadium. We didn't bridge Stone.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
We ended up just doing it in our backyard obviously.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
But we built a venue.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I get a tent, Yeah, big tents, which was we
thought would be the smarter idea.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
It ended up costing us more than had we got
a cool venue. Was it crazy to look because it
was your your tennis court or basketball court? Right? Was
it crazy to like think, wow, we're on the basketball
court right now. But it's actually it looks like a
really nice reception.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
So I never saw while it was being built. And
then obviously the day of the wedding, I didn't go
down there. What I really worried about was how were
we gonna ge how's we gonna get the court to
look normally again? I want to play the ball on
we got because we had so many people and they
had to take part of the fence down from around
the ball court.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Oh wow, I didn't really some.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Stayed up but because you had to like enter, Uh yeah,
it was weird, but it ended up costing us more
to build it. We thought we'd save money, but we
built a venue in the backyard. Five million dollars for
flowers that it's a lot of flowers.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Golly, that's every flower. That's a lot of flowers.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Because think, how do you get that many flowers? You
have to bring in flowers from flower shops all over America?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Forget that, dude, where are the fields? Like, where are
they coming from? Well, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
It's like everywhere that they have to go and cut
flo Yeah, it's you're driving just trucks from Idaho with.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Flowers in it. Yeah. I think there were any fake
flowers there? No chance, no chance, dude. Can you if
they found a fake flower in there? That would just
be so tacky.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Three million dollars for catering.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah. Did you see though that people were having to
stand up and sometimes the catering took forever. It took
like a long time to get fed.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I saw the story that people were having to stand
up at the buffet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's and I
thought it was weird there was a buffet because that's
so normal.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Uh huh. Buffet is like what normal people do. I'd
love a buffet. I thought it was kind of.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Weird for that all you can eat, I would assume
it's all you can y yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
But then I saw people were like saying that story
wasn't true that were at the wedding.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Oh really Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Then Jason Kelsey had over fifteen beers.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
He said, I believe that. Yeah. I didn't know while
watching it if you wished you had been invited? Yes?
And then for a minute there I saw Mike was
in New York at that same time. I thought he
was going. No, I thought, because you know, Mike has
weird like connections through like booking the show, and he
knows people, And like, did Mike get invited to that
freaking wedding? Because I you got.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Invited, right, I asked him, and he didn't give me
a straight answer.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
So he hasn't given me a straight answer either, And
you won't give me a straight answer now, if you
were invited. I have a lot of friends that were
invited and it went.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Friends that went, which is pretty cool, but only one
of them that I'm close to will talk a little
bit about it.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Would you talk all about it if you went? No,
like to your friends? No, my mom immediately.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
If I were to have signed something, I definitely wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Oh you think they signed something too, like everybody did.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Of course, they all posted pictures on social media the
next day at the same time. It was almost like
they all got a text GOO and you're clear to post.
So yeah, I think it was all pretty strategic. The
people that posted the most, I felt like were the
people that really didn't know where that well, were just like,
look at me, only crap.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I got invited?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, because people some people kept posting over and over
and over again, like magical day in New York.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Something just happened in New York. It's a New York
kind of day.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I was like, we get it, you got invited because
you don't need to do seven different posts there.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
What would you What would you think if I got
I invited you to my wedding and I made you
sign an NDA? We were going to do something ill legal.
That's the Bachelor party dude.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, that would be the only reason that because why
would you have me sign an NDA to come to
a wedding?
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Nia. I don't know. It just feels weird, but I
get it. Taylor and Travis, it's a different level. I
get it. But an NDA to a wedding, just that's
got to be so weird. I bet it's very, very
very rare.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, And probably the NDA to not just go to
the wedding was probably not to share anything about it,
pre not to post about it. It was probably that
what was in it more so than but there was
I'm sure you can't talk about the wedding.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
And there are still no photos from the wedding, like
so so the picture with Adam Sandler were in shorts,
that's fake, aikay.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Some really good AI pictures came out, but Daily Mail
had a couple of pictures that someone had snuck from
the wedding. There was one of a picture wall when
I locked in, which showed a dog. Them holding a dog.
So I guess they have a dog, which.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Is pretty normal of them.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
We didn't know, and how normal of them too to
not share that.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, not to use that dog.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Is like some sort of hey, look at us, like
how normal we are? So I saw the picture wall.
There were some pictures like the red steps a little
deeper up in but they were scanning people for not
only phones, They took their phones for small cameras and
they were scanning people to make sure their glasses weren't metaglasses.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Oh yeah, because I mean that's that's one way to
do it. Yeah, and I have a pair of those.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
It's so obvious there metaglasses because there's two circles on
each side. And then if it's dark, you see them
light up. Yeah, if it's daylight, you don't. But I
tried to do some shooting on mine once doing an
award show and I thought, I'm going to turn these on,
and someone say you can't go out there like that
on TV.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Because the lights. I was like, they're lights.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Like.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Luckily somebody told me or I would have gone out.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I've seen someone on TikTok who can take that off.
You can hire them and they'll make them look like
regular glasses.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, but they still unless they could cover up the circles.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Oh they take it.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, they take it all off.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Oh, it's not just the lights circle. And somebody on
tiktoks always up to something.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I always they like meet in a parking lot, like, hey,
give me your lasses, all right, getting.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Back for you to date.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
So Santa Fe was named the best city in the
United States according to Travel and Leisure. The best cities
are and they list them. Santa Fe is at number one,
and it's a lot of things. It's what's to do,
their culture, food, how nice the people are, jobs, like,
all of this matters. So Santa Fe at one. Yes,
(11:30):
I've performed in Santa Fe.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Was that with you? No? Okay? Because I was like,
I don't think I've been there. It is very quick.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
It was one of those where since it was night
one of the touring on the weekend, you don't stay.
You land and go into the back perform and.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Just get on the bus right after and leave. So
where is where did I go?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
They had the spot the restaurant though it was one
of my favorite restaurants ever. Is that New Mexican Albuquerque?
Oh no, the New Mexico unless it was Santa Fe.
See check out the spot and type of New Mexico restaurant.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
But if that's the if that's the place, I was
there with you? Yeah, So it wasn't sant.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
It must have been a second time Santa Fe number one.
I don't know if the spot still in business, but
that was the best break It was the best breakfast
I've ever had in my life. It's the number one
breakfast all time.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
What do you remember about it? Did It was pork belly.
It was a pork belly breakfasts with.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Eggs, and it was a you know, kind of a
text Mex Spanish type Mexican breakfast.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
That wouldn't be text Max, that would be Mexican New
mechs texts New Mex text New Mex Mex. It was good.
I don't think it was Santa Fe. I think it
was Albuquerque probably. Yeah. I remember also mad at you
because you went without me to get that breakfast and
then you came back. Dude, I had the best breath.
R rates Santa Fe.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Number one reader said, three hundred days of yearly sunshine,
robust food scene. Yeah, I bet the foods. Really before
I give you number five, it can't be somewhere that
you've lived. If you were to pick a favorite city
in the United States, it is Chicago.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I love Chicago. I love Chicago too. However, in the
winter you no good, No, it's Antarctica. It's way too cold.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I like you love Chicago and even the spring can
be cold. Yeah, because I would go to Cubs games
in the spring and not wear enough layers and freeze
my off and then I'd go sign up for credit
cards just to get extra clothes. Dang it, because they'd
be offering sweatshirts if you sign up for a credit card.
Chicago Awesome makes a list at number five. Okay, New
Orleans at number four.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
It's different. It's fun.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
For me, it's not that fun because you don't that
tourist culture is drinking yes and partying yes. And there
are friends of mine that have lived in New Orleans
that love it and go that part is really not
what we're about.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
It's kind of like Nashville.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
We live here and people think in Nashville is all
country music and let's go to Broadway and just get drunk,
or let's have a bachelorette party. Yeah, this town really
isn't that, but that's why people come. That's the tourist attraction.
New Orleans, I think has a similar situation. But for me,
I don't even like the tourist park because I don't drink.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
What about the food? Do you like the food there?
It's fine, I'm not going into spicy food. Really, no
Cajun Oh it can be good, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
But yeah, New Orleans is not for me. I like
the people from Louisiana.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
But nice people. Yeah, the music's great. It's too hot.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
It's muggy, and I don't mind hot, but it's like hot,
humid all the time.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
That's muggy. Number three Savannah, Georgia. Have been there. It's small.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I went to Savannah for American Idol. We did when
we would travel out to different cities.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Isn't that where they shot Forrest Gum? It is?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
And there's a bench. The bench is there and it's
got a plaque on it.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
We went. It's pretty cool. I've never been to Savannah.
Number two Charleston, South Carolina. Love it. I love it.
I love coast towns anyway, so like that's that. I
love that it's you know, coastal. But ever been for
fun though, No, we've been a couple of times.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
We've been with the show and then we've toured through there.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
But I had one day where I went and kind
of just kind of toured the downtown area, which is
like so beautiful because one it's coastal, and two it's
so old and like I love old architecture like that.
It is just really cool. And then the trees with
the moss and all that looked really cool.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I'm gonna put my city to be Boston. I love
Boston also like Chicago. I don't want to have anything
to do with Boston for about three months of the
year December, January, February, no chance.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Too cold, man, too cold. I don't like cold weather anyway.
But Boston it's elite.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
It feels clean, everything moves fast.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
The food's good.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I'm not even a big seafood guy, but just great seafood.
They have a great sports culture, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
The big Yeah. I like Boston a lot. I remember
the people like I was always just like, oh, these people,
like they seem tough and like very I don't know, like,
are they gonna fight me everywhere I go? But it's not.
They're so The people in Boston are so nice. Yeah,
they're a little rough around the edges. They talk like
they're rough around the edges, but they're really nice. And
are they rough around the edges or or they just
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direct with an accent? I think that's what it is. Yeah,
And that's all I saw from TV. You know, it's like, oh, Man,
Mark Wahlberg, dude, you'll just beat me.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Up by I see them on the streets, like I
never felt like I was in danger.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I just didn't talk back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. The
city I'm gonna put in here too.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
My outlier that no one's ever gonna pick because I
don't think enough people go there is Cedar Rapids Iowa.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Ah, tell me more about cedar Rapids.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
You go and it smells like crunch berries? What because
the Quaker oats plant is there?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Oh, the actual crunch berries are there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
And I think if I lived there and my clothes
smell like crunch berries, which I don't know if that
happens or not, you would hate it. I probably hate it.
But the people in Iowa. If we were just listing
like states with the nicest people, Iowa makes top three
for me because they were so nice.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
And i've been Iowa City Cedar Rapids.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
I mean not to spend enough time in Iowa to
really like it. And cedar Rapids is a great time.
Winter probably out too.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, across the board, no winter in.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Cold places, so it wasn't snowing when you went.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Cedar Rapids Iowa was amazing. Another place that I really
liked was Boise, Idaho. Really a lot of culture, great food, potatoes,
I didn't see many potatoes, and like really nice people
and a lot of outdoor Oh that's cool.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
They're very they were very active.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, And I spent about a week up there because
we were shooting my net Geo show, so it was
more than just going in for a night and doing
a tour stop. We stayed for a week, so we
actually would have a day off. And Boise, Idaho was
pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Gosh, that's cool to hear, because like, you don't think
of Boise Idaho for I wanted to bring it up vacations,
Cedar Rapids, right, that's cool. I went through San Francisco
on the list.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
You went one time during the Super Bowl and they
were when they were on their p's and q's, like,
not true, they cleaned everything up.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Not true. I went when I was like eleven years old,
and the memories I have of San Francisco were really cool.
Back then, like it was I remember it being colder
than I liked, but it was just that time of
year where like it was just the wind was coming
off the bear or whatever. But then when we went
for the super Bowl, dude, I mean that just kind
of solidified everything I'd ever thought of San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I really liked that trip and I liked our time
in San Francisco on that occasion. But they really cleaned
that city up for the super Bowl because they knew
all eyes.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Were on it. They were taking homeless people off the streets.
They had more cops out. Oh, I didn't realize that.
I like San Francisco. They wanted us to see what
was really just what it was like on a normal day.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
I would say it was an abnormal day. We also
were in a nice hotel. We were also there for
the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
That's all right, that's right. Cool city. Yeah, very expensive city.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I've been when they weren't super cleaning it up, and
it's good.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I just loved seeing people like walk everywhere. And the
hills are crazy to walk up. I know, I know.
One of our guys, Remember we were scared he wasn't
gonna make it. Was a Brandon. It was Brandon. We
were scared he wasn't gonna make it. We had to
carry his bags. Oh that's right. And by we, was
it you or Red? It was you know? It was
me you Matt Castle, No, who carried his bags? I
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think we all just because he had two bags. I
think we were like, all right, I'll carry this one
you carry that one? Did you almost die in San Francisco?
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Well, so the first time I was carrying like a
bag that was like sixty seventy pounds because I had.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
All my gear, it wasn't okay.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
And then on the way back it was. It was
just super hilly, and halfway through, former NFL quarterback Matt
Castle offered to take my bag and which was super helpful.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, because by that point it's eighty or ninety pounds.
I bet it be your own, right.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yeah, it's funny too, Like people walking down the hills,
you're just like skipping like that. Love this place. Walking
up You're like, oh gosh, it's crazy. It is never
gonna hang tight.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
The Bobby cast will be right back. Wow, And we're
back on the Bobby Cast, which leads.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Me to the next thing, which is a perfect seguay.
So I have great American mister, that really haven't been solved.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
We don't really know the answers, but we have to
give an answer. Okay, Number one speaking to San Francisco,
and I'll give you some details. Did the Alcatraz escape
actually work?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
So it's an.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Island San Francisco prison, yep, prison on the island for
almost thirty years. Alcatraz was America's escape proof prison.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
It's on the island, the middle of the San Francisco Bay,
freezing water, strong currents, several miles from shore. When they
built it, as it was a living prison, the FBI
believe that nobody could actually make it.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Out of there.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
June nineteen sixty two, three inmates changed what people thought
was possible. Frank Morris and the two brothers John and
Clarence England had spent months secretly digging through the walls
of their cells using homemade tools made from spoons.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
And a vacuum cleaner motor. Legit.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
They hid the holes with fake wall panels.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah. Have you seen the pictures of those fake wall panels?
Who fell for that? Forbody?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
There was somebody that wasn't looking, or somebody that knew
and didn't care, or the mannequins. Have you seen because
they put the fake faces that they put while they
were they're supposed to be sleeping.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
It really wasn't them, dude. Those look like terrible cartoons.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Yes, So it's either people who didn't care or people
who were like inmates who were paid off. Yeah, yeah,
so they made the realistic dummy had Those were made
of a soap, by the way, soap like, that's how
they made those heads.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
They shaved them out of soap.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
You gotta kind of be a good artist to do
that too, even a bad one, a bad fake head.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
It's hard to make out of soap. Yeah, but you
gotta think they have a lot of time. So like
if the first draft, if you gave me.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
A year and a pencil on a notebook, I ain't
drawn anything better than I would in five minutes. Uh,
they made it was soap. It was toilet paper. They
used real human hair that they had collected from the
prison barber.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
No way, these guys were good and the guards walked
by thinking they were sleep.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Supposedly, once they escaped their cells, they climbed through maintenance tunnels,
got onto the roof, climbed down the outside of the prison,
inflated a homemade or aft made from more than fifty
stolen rain coats. Think about the ingenuity of these guys
to do all of that, Yet they didn't do that
before they got to prison.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
And they disappeared into the darkness. They were never seen again.
The FBI investigator of seventeen years and concluded they most
likely drowned in the Icy Bay. No bodies were ever recovered,
even stranger family members claimed they received postcards and Christmas
cards from the brothers for years afterwards.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Let's Go Baby.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
In twenty thirteen, the San Francisco Police received a letter
supposedly written by John Angling, claiming he had survived and
was living under a different name. The letter has never
been proven authentic.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
So that's the story. Yes, you want the three main
theories or do you want to tell me yours? Uh,
you can give me the three main theories. Number one,
they drowned trying to cross the bay. Easy.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Number two, they successfully escaped and looked quietly under new identities.
Three they made it to shore but died shortly afterward.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Oh. Interesting.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
So the question is was it the greatest prison escape
in American history? Or do they die trying.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I'm gonna go with theory number two. I believe they
made it. I believe they made it. If you look
at like, was it Ted Bundy, you know back then
and this was way before Ted Bundy back then? If like,
who was looking for him? The San Francisco Police Department. Yeah,
unless it was in your local newspaper.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
You really didn't know much about it, Yeah, unless you
saw it on the news, and the news four states away.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Probably wasn't talking about it exactly. Yeah. So if you
made it, which I think they made it, and it's
been proven so many times by like people swim, I
think they have a yearly swim from Alcatraz Island to
San francis another island. Sure, I get it, but I
mean they've proven that it's possible.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
They've proven but it's always been Olympic athletes doing it,
h not just normal people, but that when the normal
people do it, I believe they swim from that island
to a different island. I don't think they go all
the way to mic on this, but I think the
swim is from Alcatraz Island to a different, smaller island.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
And I mean we're assuming they tried to go to
San Francisco. Well, like, we don't know where they tried
to go. That's where you'd have to go. Now you
can go to some of the other islands on the
other side, right, Yeah, but eventually you're gonna have to
go to San Francisco. Yeah. Yeah, No, I think they
made it. I think that the whole theory of like,
oh no, that they they couldn't swim that far, or
the raft busted, the sharks got them all that like, No,
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I think they made it, and then I think they
lived under fake identities.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
It was a really good on Solid Mysteries back in
the day. Really, they did a really great episode on this,
and I didn't look at this up well, now it
probably doesn't hold up, but back then it was pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
You know what, we need a new movie because the
all we have is the Clin Eastwood movie. I've never
seen that. It's so old. It's I think it's from
the seventies. Maybe pretty good though, it's good, but we
need like an updated one. Mike, what do you see
about the swim that people do?
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah, they swim from the Alcatraz Island to San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
They do. It's not another island. They're going straight. Normal
people mic or no people. Normal people. Wet suits, though,
do allow you to float. But these guys had forty ringcoats. No,
that was for a raft though.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Okay, so I'm gonna say one or two of them
probably made it alive.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I think if they're three, they don't all three make it? Wow,
what are the odds? I'm just doing numbers here. No,
I think they died. You think they made that. They
died in the bag because.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
It was nighttime. Think about a raft of raincoats. I
don't think the raft gets them very far. I think
the raft is kind of okay, let's go, get out,
get out, get out. Well, this sucks is going way
too slow. Who brought a paddle? I did, and I
thought you did? Oh god, there's no paddles.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
I love that scenario. And then the swim.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Maybe one or two make it, but there's no way
all three of them made it.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Okay, but they committed to the bit I did. I'm
telling you, through the years, I've changed my mind about it,
because at first, like when I was eleven years old,
I was like, this, give me a break. They died,
they didn't make it, they drowned. And then later you
start hearing just people being able to swim that far.
And I think we found out that there really aren't
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sharks in that bay.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
If there were, they wouldn't really allow the people with
the wet suits this one. I mean, if they felt
like and there may be different seasons where there's some
sharks in there. Yeah, okay, so you're gonna go with
they they made it. I'm gonna go with my official statement.
One of them made it.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I like that, and that one is the one sending postcards.
How ballsy though, to send postcards, that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Maybe it was also just somebody that was like hoaxing postcards,
like wanting attention.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Nancy got three weren't here because.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Missbusters recreated it and they found it was plausible. They
recreated the raft and everything in said it was possible
that they made it.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
They do it at night.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Well I don't know about that, because this.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Was in the middle of the night. It wasn't the night. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Next up, did Amelia Earhart crash or survive? In nineteen
thirty seven, Amelia Earhart was attempting something that no woman
had ever done, fly around the world. She and her
navigator were on the final legs of the journey when
they lost radio contact somewhere over the Pacific Ocean near
a tiny island called Howland Island. Then nothing, no distress call,
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no confirmed wreckage, no airplane. The US launched the largest
air and sea search in history and found absolutely nothing.
Nearly ninety years later, we still do not.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Know what happened. Here we go with the theories.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Number one, she simply ran out of fuel and crashed
into the Pacific.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
From everything I've read, this is still most likely the scenario.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Number two, she managed to land on a remote island,
survived for days or weeks, and then died as a castaway.
Number three, she was captured by the Japanese while flying
near islands they controlled.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Oh wow, And the question is the.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Question is what happened? What do you think happened to
a million areheart? Was a crash, was it an island,
survived for a while, then death, or something else.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I'm gonna go with the one. I'm going to go
with the one she ran out of fuel and just
went nose dive into the Pacific. How do you run
out of fuel?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Though, if you're flying that long and you have to
watch your fuel unless the tools are the gauge break.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
She was making stops along the way, you know, to
my point, you feel she has makes something.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
That's the number one thing to pay attention to if
you're flying all the way around the world.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
But what year was this? Those gauges can't be trustworthy.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Had a Bronco that it didn't even work. Like the seventies,
I had a.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Car like that too, where like it couldn't go all
the way down because all the way down on the
gas meant like it was very very empty. So like
once it hit a quarter, you're like, dude, I'm in trouble.
I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
She was captured by the Japanese because there's a blurry
photo that they can't quite make out who it is,
and it looks very similar to her body frame and style,
and it's from that time, and.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
The Japanese have her m because they think she was
a spy. Oh, but she was just trying to be
the first woman to fly across.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
But every spy is just trying to, you know, be
the soup eating champion, right, They never say working office building.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, they never actually trying to spy. Have you seen
there's a guy who is like, I mean, he's dedicated
his whole life to prove that she's in the Philippine
or that she crashed on that island in the Philippines
and that just over time, brush soil all that has
just buried the aircraft. But it's still there somewhere. You
would think they would have found it. I know, I know,
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but but also that land that where it's at is
also inhabited by indigenous indigenous people, and so they're kind
of like they're not welcoming.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
The theory that she's a spy stemmed from rumors that
she was captured by the Japanese, which were fueled by
World War two propaganda films.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Was that around the same time, Yeah, I'm going with
spy though, okay, and you're going you're going with captured
by the Japanese.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yes, captured by Japanese and was a spy? Yeah, Well
what about aliens not spies? They come in check it
out themselves, and Japanese.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Never got ahold of them. Could she have been taken
by aliens?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I mean, on MythBusters it was plausible.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
I'm just surprised that wasn't one of your options.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Next up, who killed John beIN A Ramsey?
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Oh? Man, I you know, I don't know much about
this one. This is one American mystery I've never really like.
Dove deep in Well, let me tell you a little
about it.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
On the day after Christmas in nineteen ninety six, six
year old John bin A Ramsey was reported kidnapp from
her family's home in Boulder, Colorado. Her parents found a
handwritten ransom note inside the house demanding one hundred and
eighteen thousand dollars. Hours later, police, before police had fully
searched the home, John Bennet's father, discovered her body in
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the basement. That immediately changed a case from a kidnapping
case into a murder investigation. Almost every part of the
crime scene became controversial. The ransom note was unusually long,
there were signs of both head injury and strangulation. DNA
evidence was collected, but none has ever identified the killer.
Nearly three decades later, no one has been charged.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Okay, so she was kidnapped, but then they found her body.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Which went from she is not kidnapped, she's been.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Murdered in the house. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, So the main theories are someone from outside the
family entered the home and committed the crime. Number two,
someone inside the home was responsible, and the scene.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Was staged afterward. Three The real.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Answer is something that we have no idea about. So
do you believe it was an intruder, someone from inside
the house, or that we'll just never know. Anybody followed
this case or watching the movies or anything. Because Netflix
has a movie I think they just bought that's going
to come out a boy this Oh that's cool. Just
from what you know limited, I don't know much other
than what you just told me, and that some people
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sometimes think, uh, Megan Maroney is Jompany Ramsey Katie Perry.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
For a while, my wife your wife? Yeahh yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think somebody inside the family or somebody connected with
the fair, somebody connected with the family. It just seems
like there's too much hiding stuff and the fact that
she was never kidnapped kind of weird ransom note who
would do that?
Speaker 2 (32:18):
A really long ransom note? And then she wasn't even kidnapped.
She was dead, so they that was the staging of it,
meaning yeah, what do you think somebody probably well, I
think about the Elizabeth Smart story, I know, and they
thought that they thought it was they thought it was
the uncle, I know, but at first I thought it
was the parents, and they're like, we bet and the
parents like, investigate the crap out of us.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
We didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
And the whole time, well, the documentary is like that
uncle's kind of weird, and.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Then they show clips of his interviews, and I'm like, oh,
he did a weird got his answering stuff for sure,
that uncle did it. He didn't do it. He didn't
do it. The documentary made us think dad, and so
did the news.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Made everybody think that too, because they were going, he's
a suspect.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
They would show like clips of here in the background,
like making weird faces, and who knows, he might have
had a fly on his nose or something. I guess
he abducted her. He's crankling his nose at a weird time, right, Yeah,
So it's tough to blame it on a family member,
but I mean.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
But it ended up being it did end up being
somebody close to the family. It was somebody hired to
do some work around the house.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
So that's what I would, with the limited knowledge, assign
it to somebody close to the family.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Could be a family, but.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Somebody in that orbit that had access to get in
and do that and then probably staged it as well.
The fact there's all that DNA evidence and nothing.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I know, that's pretty wild. The weird thing about the
Elizabeth smart one is that how close she was to
the house for a while.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Oh, as she was abducted as she was abducted in the.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Woods, not that far away, and to think that there
were so many search parties that never found her and
she was really not that far away.
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Speaker 1 (34:02):
Next up.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Who is Jack the Ripper? By the way, what do
you know about Jack the Ripper? Just from me saying
the name?
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I think Jack was in London, that's right, right, and
rip people's faces off or something. He's a serial killer? Okay,
all right?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
So eighteen eighty eight, ah, those were the years. Over
just a few months, at least five women were brutally
murdered in the Whitechapel district. Whoa the killer taunted police
with letters signed Jack the Ripper.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Although much like.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
We mentioned Nancy Guthrie, we mentioned some of the other
ones here. Historians still debate whether he actually wrote them
or if somebody else wrote them for attention. The murders
terrified England. Newspapers covered it. Police interviewed hundreds of suspects.
It was the largest investigation.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Of that era.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
No one was ever arrested. More than one hundred and
thirty five years later, people are still trying to identify him. So,
but the guy was really good at ripping cutting. Oh okay, really,
so there are theories that he might have been a doctor,
a surgeon, or a surgeon.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Number one, he was an ordinary local man who blended
into the neighborhood. Number two, he was a doctor or
surgeon because of the injuries that were inflicted onto the victims.
Number three he was someone connected to royalty or the
government was protected as then they found out and then
protected them because of who they were.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
I don't think it's that one. I don't think he
was being protected. I just think back then, like they
didn't have the tools to catch people like it. It
was harder to unless you saw it. Yeah, it was
hard to find people unless you saw it.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
You didn't know who did it at all, right, and
then people could just lie.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Then you just believe them, yes, yes, and people like
to lie.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Or people's memories aren't always real life.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
So I just typed in, like, odds are who was
Jack the Ripper for betting on it?
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Okay, so odds are.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Jack the Ripper was Aaron Kozminski, a Polish immigrant and
barber living in the Whitechapel district at the time of
the nineteen eighty eight murders.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
That'd be the worst detective ever. I'd be like, yep,
that's him. Put him away, barber. He's a ripper. He
lives in Whitechapel. Take him.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
While a definitive legal conclusion is impossible due to the
age of the cold case, he is a prime suspect,
but was also It's like, this is eighteen eighty eight.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I know, so you think like a barber could do
that too well, because I like the surgeons it. Yes,
I didn't watch the movie, but I've heard of it.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
His office episode is really good about twenty todd. He
was the barber.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
That's what he did. Yeah, let's see who the top
three people?
Speaker 2 (36:48):
They say, okay, odds are there's Aaron.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Who are that? I'm gonna ask a different ai.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Who are the top three suspects as Jack the Ripper?
Speaker 1 (36:59):
And why? I think, like.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
You, it was probably somebody who did it was pretty
good at hiding and then just got away with it,
because how do you prove Yeah, it's eighteen eighty eight.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
But see even then though they would have just like,
I'm surprised they didn't just take.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
That guy or just pick somebody and go you the guy,
the guy kill him?
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
So number one Aaron kauz Minski.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Wow, dude, if it wasn't Aaron, I'd.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Be well all the Kaminsky's gotta be pissed because now their.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Name's been run to the mud.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Like that's terrible because Minsky's from down on Main Street
are like, what's happening here? Uh?
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yeah? So again?
Speaker 2 (37:32):
A Polish Jewish immigrant worked as a barber. He was
diagnosed with several mental illnesses.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Of course, he.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Had a documented hatred of women and suffered auditory hallucinations.
He was committed to an asylum in eighteen ninety one.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Hey man, it's not looking really good for Aeron, Like
all that stuff there sounds like it's Aaron.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
The weaknesses are there's no physical evidence, Yeah, no confession.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Modern DNA claims.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
That there's a shawl and there it's he's not on it.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Oh really yeah okay, like from one of the victims.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Yeah, so he still considered the leading suspect.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Number two. I'm sorry real quick, how do they how
did they take get DNA from like, okay, I get
the shawl that's they still have that, but from him family.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Remember, I would assume there was just a crime scene
and they just fingerprinted.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
It wasn't even about taking DNA. They didn't know what
DNA was, I think, but you said modern day DNA.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Of all the stuff they saved from the crime, they
would just go back on it and go, Okay, now
that we understand how to take DNA, let's see if
there's any that's still alive on any of this stuff.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Okay. And they found it, but it didn't match Aaron.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Of the shawl that they had when they found DNA
on it didn't match him. Now, they didn't have a
lot because they weren't saving DNA, but any of the
evidence that they had his evidence.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Or yeah, yeah, evidence from all the DNA they pulled,
they didn't have any that matched. Okay, that guy got it.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
And it's not even then like you'd wear gloves to
hide your fingerprints, because you know what that crap wasn't
he They also.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Compared it to DNA from his family's living relatives.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Okay, and they didn't match. Okay, So yeah, I did
see a documentary about another crime that they they solved
because they were able to get DNA from a family member,
like two generations and it matched someone from my family
or locked their crap down.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
If I'm on the hook for possibly doing it, and
you think there's a five percent chance, do not share
my DNA. No, not share your DNA. Don't pee in anything,
don't eat anything public, and I'll give you the top
three here. Number two is Montague John Drewett. Okay, he
was an educated.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Barrister. And I don't know what a barrister was. Do
you make barristers? What's a barrister? Isn't nothing on a stairwell?
H the real well? I thought it was a barista
at first. Yeah, what's a barrister?
Speaker 2 (39:54):
An educated barrister and school teacher, came from a family
with mental illness, was dismissed from his teaching job, committed
suicide in the river just weeks after the final murder.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Did he like women? Well, let's see, Mike, what's a barrister?
Speaker 3 (40:07):
What they call a lawyer in the UK?
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Oh, a lawyer and we're on in the UK on
this show on Netflix.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Sorry, Okay, I just no rule him out.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
The police chief at the time said he was the guy.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Okay, listed him as either the main or one of
his prime suspects.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
His suicide shortly after the murders made people go interesting.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
But he already had mental health issues. The only I
did too? Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Some theorized he had a psychological breakdown. He didn't live
in Whitechapel. There's no evidence putting him really there. In
many details came years after the murder.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Yeah, let him go. I don't know, man, did you
still hold him?
Speaker 2 (40:50):
I'm still hold him in the cell right now, I'm
holding Okay, one other one George Chapman Ready, okay, So
so Polish immigrant barber slash surgeon.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
There we go. Now we're getting there. He ain't making
enough money just doing surgery. You had to be a
barber too. Maybe he was like sometimes I buzz cut
my kids. Like maybe, like he just does it on
the side. What if you pay a little extra while
you're having surgery to get a hurricane buzz them up?
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Uh later became a convicted serial killer.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Okay, was he from Whitechapel.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
He poisoned three wives and was executed in nineteen o three.
That sounds they lived in Whitechapel during the murders. He
had medical knowledge. The inspector who investigated the ripper at
the time also believed he definitely could have been the ripper.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Wow, like in Live Time.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
The weaknesses are his known murders were poisonings, not knife attacks.
But you could counter that with he was a surgeon.
Maybe you just didn't know about the murders he did
right with knives and serial killers though normally don't do.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Multiple methods of killing. That's the generally just from.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
The history, they have one way to do it, but
there's no direct evidence. But those are the three that
AI says it probably is. Most people think it's one.
I've never been someone like in the nineties. I wasn't
a Bulls fan or a Cowboys fan.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
I don't really chase you know. That's not a popular opinion.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I don't want to go for
the winner. So I'm not going with the kaz Minskis.
And if you got the Kamiski's, if you're watching, I
apologize for everything you're going through. It's not fair. Yeah,
it's not fair to you. So I'm going with number three,
George Chapman, the barber surgeon.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Okay, you know what, I like George Chapman as well,
because I was all about Aaron put Aaron Away. But
I feel like whenever they throw mental you know, disorder
or whatever, it's like, hey, guys, we're all a little
messed up, Like you know, back then, it's just like, oh,
this guy's got adhd kill him.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
You know what I mean, Like it's so defferent brained
his ankle, put him down.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
He's worthless to us here on the farm. Yeah, so
I'm gonna go chatman with you.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
There was one honorable mention that they put here. And
so this guy, Francis Tumbolty. He was an American doctor.
People thought he was weird.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Hated women.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
He collected preserved female organs.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Okay, that's crazy those two go together. Hated women. I
wonder how people know that collected.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Preserved female organs, according to reports, and he also fled
England immediately after the murders. That's s us evidence is then,
but evidence is then all of them.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Yeah, because no one ever saw him do it, Like,
can't we just have one person like I saw him
do it? That's him?
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Yeah, because Minski's I hope it ain't you, guys, I'm
rooting for you.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
So they don't know who Jack the Repper is. But
that's the story. There you want one more? Yeah, I
love these. I've spent a lot of time reading about
this one.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Malaysia Airlines flight three seventy oh man, a plane that
just disappeared.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Yeah, I don't know much about this.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
In March of twenty four, Tina Boeing seven seven seven,
carrying two hundred and thirty nine people, took off from
Kuala Lumpur bound for Beijing. Less than an hour into
the flight, the pilots said goodnight. Those were the last
known words from the cockpit white box.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yeah, or you can hear you know. The recordings.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Shortly after, the plane's transponder stopped responding or transmitting.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
So it was shut off.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Military radar show the aircraft turning around and flying back
across Malaysia before disappearing all together like an unscheduled turn.
For years, satellites helped the investigators guess.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
So they would go.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
And look in the about the ocean super deep and
just vast wide.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
So they searched forever and the plane just ran out
of fuel, goes down. They searched tens of thousand of miles.
It's been the most expensive search ever. Only a few
confirmed pieces of debris have ever washed ashore, but some have.
The main wreckage has still never been found. But someone
(45:11):
in there shut it off the plane, the or the
communication equipment, and then the plane ran out of gas.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
So when he said good night, who do you say
good night to the people on the plane or the
air traffic controller. I don't know the last thing that
was that was heard, because that's creepy. Was it good
night as in like all right, we're I haven't going
to bed? Or is it good night as in like
you're never gonna see us again? I haven't heard it.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
So they did, and Mike, I feel in fact check
me on this, one of the pilots. They went and
they were invest investigating him, and because they investigated everybody,
obviously they went and he had a flight simulator that
he was using and had practiced the exact thing that
happened here.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Oh really, well, I didn't know that. That's crazy. Also
might have made it up. I'm being honest. I'm having
a mic, but I hope not. I believe, but that's true.
I don't think I didn't make it up for like,
just for giggles.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
But the main theories are that someone in the cockpit
intentionally diverted the plane before it eventually crashed into the ocean.
A catastrophic mechanical or electrical failure left the plane flying
on autopilot intil a Rando fuel. Wow, there's some other
explanations that they haven't shared because it's in the middle
of an investigation.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
But the wreckage has never been located. Why would they
turn around?
Speaker 2 (46:32):
No, it just so you wouldn't go to the land,
so you just go out more over water.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Mike thoughts.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
Yeah, they collected and seized a flight simulator from somebody's
home who was a pilot, and they recovered deleted log
files on it that had the exact same route that
ended up happening. That shows him going into a remote
part in the Southern Indian Ocean.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
I mean that right there to me is like this
was planned.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Also, I'm glad I didn't make that up because that
had been Ye.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Yeah, yeah, you look smart. So that that's probably what happened.
That's probably I'm going to go with, that's happen.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
And the only other thing that I would think, because
I think there stuff gets planted all the time and
it ain't our government, and our government.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Plants crap all the time.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
That'd be an easy thing to go, oh, look, here's
this data of this guy doing this when he really didn't.
If it was shot down, there is another theory of
it landing on another island, like a military island that
was somewhat nearby and people.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
Were taking hostage that type.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
There's there's a lot of theories and ideas about this,
but it would just be so easy to plant that
evidence and make it seem like, well, that's so easy
if the guy was flying on a flight simulator and
had the same path, right.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Yeah, because you said that, and it sounds very easy,
like what are we questioning? Right?
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Like, it's open and shut if that's the case.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
My thoughts, Yeah, because if it was shot down, couldn't
it like sparked a war? If like somebody for sure,
and they're like, we don't.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Want to start a war.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
Let's just say this guy crashed it in to the
ocean yep.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
First.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Sure, And that's why I think, because that's so on
the nose and you go, yeah, that's it. But it's
so on the nose that it makes you go, is.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
That, yeah, it's that simple? How long ago is this fourteen?
I said, not long ago? You don't remember it. I
do remember it, I just didn't remember if it was
like super super long ago. What about what about like
the scenario of the TV show Lost, that they're on.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
An island somewhere, Well, that was one of the theories
was that they flew to this island add a massive
like a military base, but Lost, they're like in purgatory
or something.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Whoa dude, spoiler. I never watched Loss, but I but
that's it. Spoiler.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
There was that one documentary though about the people that
flew over the ocean that went back in time.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Oh, Manifest a documentary Legit. Yeah, yeah, that was really good.
But then like season two got weird. But yeah, season
one was really good at Manifest.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
The number one theory, according to check GPT the pilot
deliberately through the planet of the ocean. He was disabling communications.
The aircraft made a deliberate turn back six more hours
just down, no fuel boom. It's just so on the
nose about that flight simulator that it makes me question
if that's true. I know, I'm just gonna go with
(49:20):
that's what happened. There are some people think it was
a hijacking.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
Yeah, but I then you would get on the radio
and be like we're being hijacked, and maybe they did. Again.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
I also think people hide stuff for, like Mike said,
political reasons too, like you don't want to start a war.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
If you can hide certain things, you do. Sure, but
probably it was someone who was sad he decided to
take everyone down without a way to do it. Yeah, Mike,
is there a good documentary or a movie on this,
not that I've seen. Okay, they're crazy.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Theories are One, it landed at a secret military base.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
I don't know. Two North Korea captured it. Somebody always
captures it.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
Three the US military I shot it down, and we
created this story I hope not, and we would have
shot it down based on who was on it. For Russia,
Russia hijacked it. Number five, which I don't think is
that crazy. Aliens or UFO has made it disappear.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
No, I mean, let's definitely consider that. The crazy thing
is we still have found the plane. Yeah, but the
ocean is very, very deep. The fact that they've they've
found a couple pieces means that it's in many pieces.
It's probably not. There are probably a lot of tiny
pieces left of that plane. And dude, the ocean. They're
(50:36):
probably probably gone.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
But if it was shot down, they wouldn't want to
recover all the evidence of it being shot down because
would be.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
Able to tell if it was shot down. So you
think they picked up all the stuff. I would think
if they were trying to hide it, they would get
rid of it. Oh my gosh, now I'm back to
their hiding it. That's why they found some pieces of it.
This is crazy.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
If I had a thousand dollars to bet on it,
and I'd get pretty good odds.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
Because this is not the most popular aliens. We shot
it down.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
Somebody shot it down and then created the story because
that's so on the nose about the pilot in the
flight simulator practicing that flight.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
That's such a lay up.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
So i'd make good money because I don't think that's
the favorite theory, but I think that's what I would pick.
Speaker 3 (51:24):
Could just imagine how scared people would be to fly
anywhere if that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
If what happened, if a shot he got shot down
and that was the news, like, yeah, this is what happened,
he got shot down, I'd never want to get on
a plane again. Well, i'd also be scared if one
pilot had all the power to take a whole plane
down too. But that's but that can easily happen. That's
why you put two up there. Yeah, but can't they
be friends and be like, let's do it together. You know?
Odds of that I don't know, like a pack, I
(51:49):
don't know.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
I don't I would think of the odds be even less.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
Yea thousand bucks. I'm just gonna take it for what
it is. Simulator pilot just wanted to end it. Yeah,
I'm going I'm going with a favorite Alcomes Razor. What's
probably assumed probably is most most plausible. So yeah, when
they did this, it was unplausible. On MythBusters, they tried
(52:13):
the same thing and as possible. Okay, and that we're
not doing JEFFK. So we don't have time to do
a dude for sure. So we did Taylor Swift. Yeah,
we did Best Cities.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
Yeah, we did great American mysteries that haven't been solved
that we just went ahead and solved them for everybody.
Put this tape in the Smithsonian. Thank you to everybody
for watching Mike. Anything I said wrong that we want
to correct before I get a.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
Bunch of DMS NO, that was all right. That's it.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Thank you guys for watching. For watching on Netflix, we
really appreciate it. And if you're listening on podcast, equally
appreciated and we will see you guys next week.
Speaker 5 (52:55):
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