#645 - Little Big Town on Almost Breaking Up, Luxury Guilt & What Comes Next

Little Big Town sits down with Bobby for an honest conversation about the highs, lows and close calls that have shaped the band’s career. They open up about nearly breaking up, getting dropped, losing their tour bus and navigating a death within the band. They also discuss whether this could be their final album, performing at Alan Jackson’s last show and learning to feel comfortable with success. Plus, Karen calls out Bobby and shares how she accidentally offended Luke Bryan.

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
I got hit one time by a tractor trailer and
it swung me around the highway. I climbed down to
a cellular one store or something and used a phone,
a paid phone, to call my dad, and I told
the truck driver, I said, don't leave, stay here. You
hit me, don't move.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
So we got two of the voices behind one of
the most iconic groups in country music. So joining me
in studio will be Karen Fairchild and Kimberly Schlapman from
a Little Big Town. They've been making music together for
nearly three decades with massive songs like Boondocks, Jam, Pontoon, Jam, Girl, Crush,
you get the Point, Better Man Day, Drinking Tornado. They

(00:49):
have so many awesome songs. But it's about their new
music because they're back with the brand new album. The
album is called It's a Dying Art out August twenty eighth,
plus a new single called Sucker for a Sad Song
with Ashley Monroe, and they're going out on tour for
the Art of It Tour this fall. Get tickets at
Little Bigtown dot com. They are so good live. They

(01:11):
always have a great opener as well. We'll talk about
all that. So here's my conversation with Karen and Kimberly
of Little Big Town. Good to see you, guys, Good
to see you. Before we started this, we were talking
about kids. I just had one. I'm gonna I'm gonna
show you guys this video. Thanks. Yeah, thanks. I really

(01:31):
was rooting for Bobby with an eye.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Bobby. That's what they call my mama. Her name is Barbara,
and they call her Bobby.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Oh that's a good nickname. My wife said, we're not
naming a kid after you.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
I like your wife.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, I do too. Yeah, she's the only person that's
ever really just like whip me around.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Oh, then it's meant to be.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
That.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
I didn't mean that, you're right. No, No, you're right.
You're right, Like she challenges me sometimes, and it's so
fre starting to lose because look.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
At how different your life is from where it was, Like,
think about it. We've known you a long time.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Oh, it's very different. And I say that in the
most complimentary way. Like the crazy thing about my wife
is I felt like, and I've been pretty gifted to
be pretty quick, just naturally right. I could just go
into any sort of argument, debate and just figured out
myself in the middle of it. That ended so quick,

(02:27):
and it's so quick.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
It's really sweet.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, I know she's my wife's awesome, but man, she
like beats.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Me stunningly beautiful.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
She's a chant sweet.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
This is our four month old.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Oh my stars.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
That hair, Yeah, it's crazy, it's.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Crazy around her finger.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
She laughed for the first time last night, like hard
laugh and I was laughing so hard that she was
laughing that she was laughing back at me. What's crazy
is that now she knows I am because for a
long time, and my therapist told me because I had
all these issues with I don't have a dad or
parents or anything, so what I don't know, I'm supposed

(03:09):
to feel I have a model. And so my therapist
is like, do not have any sort of judgment on
yourself when you have that baby, because that baby doesn't
need you as a dad. They won't to be able
to see you really. And so she's just now starting
I like know who I am, and that's pretty cool.
That's how I felt like when you guys learned who
I was, I was like, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
That's when it gets good. When they start, when they
start like coming towards you crawling and smiling and laughing,
and then and then when they get older and they
don't want to talk to you anymore, that's not fun.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Everyone has told me, because obviously we have a girl.
And I think you guys could speak on this, because
your kids are older than our babies four months old,
that boys are harder earlier and then girls get harder later.
And I would assume that's because of hormones, just generally speaking,

(04:05):
Would you guys find that to be accurate?

Speaker 3 (04:07):
He has a boy and I have two girls, so
you have.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Nothing to compare it too. Really, then, I.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Mean we know our kids.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
I mean we know our kids well each other's children
really well, I wouldn't say that a sixteen year old
boy in this day and age is easy, you know,
Like he's just a rambunctious kid. He always has been,
and he's hilarious and funny. And but man, just social

(04:36):
media and living in this day and age, it is
just not easy on teenagers. But yeah, is it easy? Yeah?
I just get worried he's driving now, you know, so
that brings on a whole different, you know, set of worries.
But girls, I don't know, you'd have to speak to that.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Oh girls, they're a And what I wanted in my
girls was for them to grow up as strong women,
which I've kind of always been a pushover, and I
wanted them to be strong and stand up for themselves.
But not anymore. But dang it, that's hard to raise.
It's hard to raise a strong little girl. As a

(05:18):
matter of fact, I just got off the phone with
my nine year old and her nineteen year old sister
is taking her to her doctor's appointment just to check
up today, and I was like, did you take a shower? No?
Remember when you pinky promised, because she doesn't break pinky promises.
Remember when you pinky cross promised Mammy you would take
a shower. Yes, I'm really sorry. And I said, okay,

(05:40):
well I need you to get in the shower. It's
gonna take you four minutes. Just hop in there real fast.
Karen helped her learn how to take a super duper
fast shower, and so not that Karen does that, but
she was helping me out shower.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
And we went over with the USA to Afghanistan.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
It's three minutes, but she can't quite get it done
in three minutes, so we call it a four minute.
So anyway, I was like, okay, go take your clothes
off getting there in the shower. I'm already dressing, my
hair is already fixed. Okay, it's okay, you're going to
the doctor. Get in the shower. Okay, but it's probably
not gonna happen. And I was like, oh kiddo, okay,
So if you don't get in the shower, you're gonna

(06:15):
be punished.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
So that's what she said. So I'm so, I said, okay,
so you'd rather get punished than take a four minute shower? Yes,
it's like already. Then, now I got to think up
a punishment. That's the stink and hardest thing to do.
Now I got to go home with a big punishment
in my back pocket.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
It's crazy. She's nine. That blows my mind now.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
And she's amazing, so funny, I'm so spicy and so awesome, great,
most of my girls are just oh wonderful.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
We have and are We're just celebrating five years being
married and then we have this baby, this four months old.
And my wife has a really loving, nurturing family. They're
the best. I love them. They're amazing. She had a
different upbringing and she's all about love and support and
the you know, making sure that the baby always feels

(07:10):
a certain way. In me. I'm like, adversity, we need
to start now, weighted best. Do they make weighted best
for babies, because we need it right now. Start building
that strength.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
It's gonna come and it's so fast. Adversity just it
will enjoy the lack of tension.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Now, that's what she says. She says, adversity is going
to happen. Yeah, And I just want to whenever she
gets old enough, have her be so equipped for the
real world that if she needs to hug it or
punch it in the face, she's ready either way. And
maybe it's right, maybe it's both in the same day. Yeah,

(07:48):
my wife just wants to love and I you know,
it's a good it's good bad, I think, yeah, And
so that's oh, so here's an issue we're having.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Adversity. You already have it well.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
And if you have a kid listening, that's very young.
If you guys are watching on Netflix with the kids runaway,
that's want to talk about Santa Claus for a second. Yeah,
I don't want it. I don't There's two reasons I
don't want Santa Claus to exist. One, I don't want
my daughter to be at school and she thinks there's

(08:22):
this mysterious man flying and other kids know there's not.
And then she feels dumb because one she finds out
we line to her, or two there were other kids
that knew something she didn't know, Like I have that right.
I also never believe in Santa Claus, so I'm sure
that's the real reason. And then two it's I want
the credit. So it's those it's those two. It's those

(08:47):
two things. And my wife thinks about herself when she
was younger and they somebody get up on the roof
and do the jingle bells and there'd be tracks, and
they're like, and we were talking about this in our
couples therapy and eventually I'll just give in. But mine
is no, Sanna. We don't know this guy.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
You don't.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
So did you guys have that at all? The Santa drama?
Or does everybody just you guys just in?

Speaker 1 (09:17):
We were in in.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
You know what you're gonna love is that it's going
to bring you so much joy watching her see what
Santa Claus brought is going to bring you as her
daddy so much joy just watching her little face that
but what ab.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
What Daddy brought?

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah, you're going to bring things to daddy and daddy presence.
There's daddy and mommy presence, and then there's Santa presence.
Now I have a friend that that is my age,
are one of our college buddies, and at the time
she chose not to do the Santa thing.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
She so regrets it because she chose not to m m.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
She she feels like she really deprived them of that
wonderment and joy and curiosity, and hers were for different
reasons than yours. Is I mean, she might have wanted
the credit, but I think it was.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
More that was second by the way, we get the
school thing.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
I get the school thing.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
The school thing is hard because when they get to
a certain age, you start getting really nervous, like, oh god, I.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Don't want her to feel dumb because other kids are like,
we can't believe you believe in Santa. You dumb, dumb
And she's like, oh no, no, she comes on crying,
and the next thing you know, it's like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
We lied.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
I don't think you ever have. I don't think you
have to.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Say we lied.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
I think you because like, I never thought about that
with my parents. Santa Claus always came and still does
and I never felt I never felt betrayed. Also, you
can always show Santa up Daddy's presence or even better.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
So my wife made that that negotiation that she said, hey,
what if we make sure that our presents are always
better than Santa's, his can be the B tier.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so that's the plan.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah. I mean we always said we weren't going to
go overboard, and then he went overward. I mean it's like,
then you buy the drum set, then you buy the
the art table, and then you're like, but we need
a cute chairs with the art table, and he's like two.
You know, they don't know what you're doing. But it's
like and then we're up all night and we're like,

(11:32):
oh my wor an entire basement of things that have
to be put together. I will say Jimmy would tell
you that he knew for a few years about Sanna
and pretended to not know because he loved it so much.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
So he just that's an aware child.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, he just would like go with it because he
was the last of all the kids. But that kind
of tells you too, like a child's heart. They really
do love it. I don't your kid's going to be
like tough and smart and you think right when she
figures it out, then she'll be like she'd be like,
why didn't you tell me?

Speaker 2 (12:12):
And you'll say no, I'm gonna say mom, Mom's yeah Mom,
she said to lie. Yeah right, So that's what we
did and that's on her.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
So yeah. Alaja asked me one time if Superman was real,
and I said, well, because he's kind of going through
all these like characters, and then that led to well,
is Jesus real? Like their little brains start really going like, well,
if this isn't real, then who is real?

Speaker 2 (12:43):
You know, like, did you have to have the tough
conversation about aliens that they are? I have not, Okay,
Jimmy would do that, Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, Like I don't really feel like I have time
for that. I don't have. I have so much on
my mind I can't think about aliens.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
He's got that covered.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Yeah, Jimmy and Philip have that down.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
I prefer to call them non human origin, but just
for the sake of that in origin, it's alien, just
so we can do.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
You used to listen to that radio show, the one
that was after Midnight.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
No, no, that was that was Cody Allen.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Couddy Allen is not an alien? What was that across America?
Something across something?

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Doesn't even know, because when we were driving around in
a van, that was our thing to stay up so
that we wouldn't fall asleep. And we had two in
the back and then one staying up with the driver.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Was it like a national show where an older guy
was always talking about paranormal stuff?

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yes, and it was like wormholes and Philip was so
into that. Yes, Philip and Jimmy they loved it.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
So they're not anymore. They still Oh yeah, me too.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Oh they're in.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Do you know why they're not here? By the way,
I mean, I know why they're not here. Do you
know why they're not here? We don't have four microphones?
Oh yeah, did you guys wonder why? Oh we're going
with that to full band? I don't ever do four people.
I don't have four microphones.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
We weren't. I didn't. I don't think they took it
personally they were.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Wait didn't.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
I mean I hate it for you that you're missing
the soccer game.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
That's Okay, it's not America.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
Crap.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
You kind of don't want to watch messy though.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
I'm just not soccer.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah, I tried.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
I've gone to things in foreign countries. I went to
watch what's the game where they bounce it and it
hits three sticks? No, that's what old people playing Florida.
I'm talking about the game in.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
India, but it's uh, they do it in Miami too.
It's it has the long curved.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, so it's not botchy. But maybe you're onto something.
What does that call, Mike, It's like it's India's biggest sport.
I went to one of those in Australia. I just
don't know enough rules. I've gone to soccer games.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Maybe it's cricket.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Oh, well cricket is the long, skinny like paddle thing.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Which one did you do? What was your shape? But well,
who has claude? If it's yeah, I know, if it's
what did you say? Nothing? If it's not an American
sport football, baseball, basketball, And I'm way into those sports.
Oh I know you are, but yeah, I just growing

(15:18):
up in Arkansas, we didn't we didn't have soccer.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah, we didn't either. In Georgia, Georgia.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
I played soccer, but I was Indiana. It's outside of Chicago,
so it was kind of coming up as a sport.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
You played soccer till what age, just like young.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Because when I moved to Atlanta then I didn't play.
We didn't have it, yeah, Georgia.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
You guys didn't go to elementary school together with high
school together.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
College together, got it and we lived down the hall.
We're in college Sandford and Birmingham.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
So you guys were in the dorms at the same time.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Unair conditioned dorm. She lived like I lived on the
corner and she lived about six doors down. You know
how we met.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
We were both in the a cappella choir and we
and Stanford back then for the choir always had choir
camp where we went to Muscle shoals for a few days.
And we met on the bus going to choir camp
and we realized we were both from Georgia. I was
sitting behind her and she was in front of me,
and we struck up a conversation. And that was a

(16:21):
long long time ago.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Were you guys friends pretty instantly or were you yeah, yeah, yeah.
Did you guys sing together instantly we did.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
We did because we were in that, which is a
really really incredible musical experience, like to be in a
forty five person a cappella choir. That really it was
like at such a high level. She was in the
school of music. I was not. I didn't read music.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
She did.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
So that was a little more challenging for me, not
so much singing the parts but learning them off a
page because they're very complicated. You could put by ears, yeah, fact. Anyhow,
that's how we met. And then we auditioned for like
a smaller group kind of think like glee, smaller town,
like small smaller, like a sixteen person, yeah, twelve person.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
It's called the Sanford Singers.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
The Sanford Singers. We basically did recruitment for the college
like you know, and went around and sang, and then
we both made that did you.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Move here together?

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Separately? She came first. I came about six months later.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Did you know she was going to come? Did you
know you were going to come? Or did you just go? Like,
I don't know, what was that?

Speaker 1 (17:34):
I came on my I came on my own, like
in ninety four.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Was it your plan to always come? Okay?

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yeah, and we back then we were just kind of
doing our own thing. We didn't have any plans whatsoever
of doing anything together. You know when we were grown up.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Did we have when we had cull phones in ninety four,
I didn't, I don't think so we didn't like the
only way we talked was getting on the phone.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yes, And I remember. I remember one time when I
called you and said on my house phone and staid
I was coming to Nashville, and I knew you were
already there.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah, that's right. And then you called me and said, yeah,
you want to eat lunch one day? I just I'm here. Yeah,
that was so weird to think about it. I'm having
a phone. I know.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
We have an odd generation because we got to have
no connection. Yeah, at a high level of us our
thinking capacity and our awareness and then all connections.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
It's a really odd age for us to be because
we got to experience at all because I remember no internet.
I remember having to have somebody drive me into the
to the local public library and I would get into
a chat room and you'd write a message and push
enter and it would refresh the screen. I thought the
internet was so crazy, but I had to have somebody
drop me off in like tenth or eleventh grade to
do that. Yeah, I had a pager.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
You had a pager. I didn't have a pager, did you.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
No, not until no, No, But I just I think
about like Elijah now driving around Oh without my phone.
We were just stopping the car and go. I would
just drive all over Atlanta by myself. Yeah, and then
as a seventeen sixteen year old.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
But our parents didn't know any better.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Well, yeah, no, if I if I I got hit
one time by a tractor trailer and it swung me
around the highway. I climbed down off of what is
that spaghetti junction? Yeah, I climbed down to a cellular
one store or something and used a phone, a paid phone,
to call my dad. And I told the truck driver.

(19:38):
I said, don't leave, stay here, you hit me, don't move.
Who did I think?

Speaker 2 (19:44):
I was like, he move?

Speaker 3 (19:45):
No, No, he stayed right there.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
We also had to remember phone numbers.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Oh yes, that was so good for our brain. I
still remember my home phone number. I don't four oh four,
seven seven eight, two three oh six.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
I remember my I think somebody still has it, like
somebody and I've said it before on shows and people
started calling it, and so that person doesn't like when
I do that. But I remember that number two. There's
like four numbers that I still remember.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
From me, me too, my best friend.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
But we remember numbers. We don't know how to get places.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, it's not good for our brains. We used to
have to remember how to get somewhere. Now we can
multitask while we drive, and that is not a good thing.

Speaker 5 (20:24):
Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,
and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Do you know anybody's number? Now, anybody's current number?

Speaker 3 (20:42):
I know hers, let me say it. I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
I know Jimmy's.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
I know my husband's, and my daughters and Karen's.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
My heart.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Oh, we gotta we gotta get that in there.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
I don't know my wife's.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
It's kind of a hard number.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
What if you've dropped my phone in the toilet and
you need to call your wife? Oh?

Speaker 2 (21:02):
I was thinking, what if I get hit by a
tractor trailer or like prison or something.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Yeah, you get one call and you don't know your
wife's phone.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
I don't know anybody's phone. Who would I call? Like
if I know no one's number.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
You don't know anyone's you know, Mike's probably.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
I don't know. I don't think I know anybody's number,
Okay to not isn't that.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Crazy to learn our spouses? Well, I know my spouse.
I needed to learn myself and.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
You got to You gotta learn your precious waves.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
I know every word to Bear Naked Ladies one week.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
You know something that was younger our younger brains. Yeah,
I thought it was.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
So cool because I knew all the words, and I
thought at some point that song was randomly going to
come on somewhere and I would just be with people
and they would know, and I'd be saying every word
and they'd be like, that's so cool. You know all
of it. Like I re memborized all the words of
that song only for that reason. And do you know
how many times it paid off? Never none, only for
me to say, now I know every word to chickeny China,
the Chinese Chicken. You got a drumstick in your brain?

(22:03):
Stops chicken? Watching next files with no lights on, I'm dolla. Mayson,
Oh the smoking Man's in this one, like Harrison fort
I'm getting frantic, like Stingham tantric lets, Sticker's guaranteed to
satisfy like her, I saw make mad films, cattle make films,
but if it didn't have a samurai, get a set
of cut it's just the whole thing, right bones. It
just paid off my wife's phone number at fixing that
at the same time, Uh, your kids down the phone

(22:25):
all the time? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Is that a problem for teenagers to just stay It's
a problem. It's a problem, especially the ones that went
through COVID. I feel like even have a harder time
with it, yep, because that was their only connection that
in like video games and stuff.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Do you feel like when kids didn't go to school
during COVID it really did set them back a step
or half step just generally speaking.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
I think socially, I'd say so, socially.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
And emotionally, I think they just like I don't think necessarily,
like I just remember being down and we had gone
down to the beach when he had to leave school,
and there was a group of people and Shane McAnally
and Michael were down there and our kids all went
to the same school and theirs were in like first

(23:14):
and ours was in third or something, and we all
just gave up. There was just a month and it
was like March and we were supposed to be homeschooling,
and like Elijah b Lane on the picnic table and
like not listening to the teacher, and then Michael and
Shane the same thing, and Michael goes, I give up.
I can't do this. I wasn't made to be a teacher.
This is not my job. And I'm just telling them

(23:34):
that I give up. And I was like, I'm giving
up to them.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Like, let's just how bizarre was that time? It was
just weird, right, Like looking back now, aside from the
actual COVID and all the things that people want to
talk about with click, it was just a weird time.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
So it was.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
So my wife was she had she was working in
oil and gas and she was doing like international commodities
and Euston and she moved to California to go back
to school and get her master's. She was living in
California and we had met through her friend who's from Oklahoma,
but California shut down way before here, and so we
had been dating a few months. But I said, you

(24:15):
should just come to Nashville, like it's COVID is over
in two weeks. Just stay here for a couple of weeks,
Like Mike switch to COVID is different than everybody else's
because it made my wife move here.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Oh yeah, that was probably kind of romantic and fun.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
It was awesome, Yeah, yeah, because that wouldn't have happened
at that pace because she moved here and then couldn't
leave because California shut down completely here. I mean everybody's
runn around neked kid rocks. We didn't change anything here.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
It was just Florida. It was like they're like, what
does it mean? What's that mask in your face?

Speaker 2 (24:48):
But that was so bizarre because I just remember looking
at the phone and all my artist friends they would
just all be live. Yes, yeah, because that was the
only way to perform. So it would just be all lives,
all off the top because everybody was just playing music
to their phones.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
What did y'all do?

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Did you work through that?

Speaker 1 (25:04):
I did?

Speaker 3 (25:04):
It was from home.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
My life really didn't change. Yeah, I just never I
didn't go in for a while. Yeah, but I had
the studio at the house. I just worked from home. Yeah,
and that was it, and it was kind of great.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Yeah, because yeah, there are parts of it that I'm
fond I was fond of, like only in a very
selfish like having to take a break away, like it
forced me to rest a little bit, but because I
was going stir crazy after a while.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, but it got me back on video games. I
didn't played video games in twenty years, and then I
got on it sounds like Heroin. Then I got back
off all off the wagon. I was back to playing
NBA two K. I was never the same after that.
I was reading a couple of notes. I guess you
guys have been together twenty five years now? Is that true?
That's twenty six Did you guys ever ever get close

(25:59):
to breaking up?

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Not breaking up? No, after my husband died, I kind
of wanted to quit. Yeah, but we've never That.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Was the closest time. I think it was probably after
he passed and then.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
And because of a breakup or anything, we've never.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Do you think just the numbers of it, twenty five
twenty six years, that at some point something like that
would happen. But I guess from you, you know, when
your husband died whenever, Because my show's been together for
twenty like twenty plus years, right, Like those have been
my friends forever.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah, and so.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
We've moved cities together. We've been together forever. And you know,
when Amy's mom and dad died and she was and
it was like she was like I think I'm out,
and I was like, just go away, Like take months off,
We're going to be here. Whenever a year back, is
that what happened with you guys? Whenever you were thinking about,

(26:57):
you know, not staying with the group.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Well, we were weren't very successful at that point. That
was before we had a hit. So we were literally
driving ourselves around in a van. I think we had
moved from a mini van to a fifteen passenger van
at that point.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
And we were doing a radio tour.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
We were doing a radio tour because because we had
we had put out Boon Docks where we were about
to put out Boon Docks, and so we right after
he I guess we were in the middle, Yes, in
the middle of a radio tour when he passed.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
So we canceled a few weeks of stuff. But then
there was some big opportunities coming. We kind of didn't
know how to handle that way.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
They asked me, yeah, or what do you want to do?
And by that point, I mean not much time had passed.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
You weren't ready. I wasn't.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
We should not have done that, but yet I felt
obligated to them because if I stopped, that means their
three lives stop, and that's not fair. So I went.
But yeah, I was a zombie. But like you did
for Amy, they just held me together. And sometimes I
couldn't show up, Like I remember there was a very

(28:06):
specific dinner we had a big, fancy radio dinner we
had up in the northeast, and I walked in the
door and sat down and I couldn't get any farther
than that, and so I just left. And they were
always so gracious about that, you know.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
And yeah, we had like signs to get her out
of the room or you know, or people wouldn't know
and they'd be like, are you married or you married
or and then one of us would just interrupt one
of the other three of us interrupt the DJ or whatever,
because we'd be live on the air and you could
just see her heart, you know, And so we had

(28:40):
little like things that we did to try to get
her out of situations. But it was too soon. It
was like too soon, But it's okay. At the same time,
we were together. Yeah, we were together, and we were family.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
I remember driving up the Pacific Coast Highway a few
weeks afterwards, and I was just laid out in the
back seat of the fifteen passenger van, just crying, crying,
and we drove, They drove. They took the three of them.
Usually it was all four of us taking turns driving.
I didn't drive at all at that point. They three

(29:16):
switched around and we went all the way up the coast,
stopping at radio stations a long way. Sometimes I've made
it inside and sometimes I didn't, but it was all okay,
And they just covered four me and literally picked me
up off the floor, and it's really it's a beautiful
picture of friendship what they did for me. They were

(29:37):
my family. I also had my family in Georgia who
had carried me along and lifted me up, but they
were right there beside me physically toting me along.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Through twenty five years. There's a lot of life that
gets lived, and there's in the rotation everybody kind of
needs it at times. Yes, at least that's my experience
with the group for that long.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah, your show was the same one exactly.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, Like there's been really great crap and really hard
crap for all. Its just it's rotating, right, You just
live enough life together. Life happens for everybody.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
And so.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
In revisions history, does everybody just think you guys were
really successful and from the start.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Yeah, because people don't know that six for six years,
nothing happened except for bad things. You know, we got
dropped and you know, nobody wanted anything to do with
us for six.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Years, which is a long It's a long time.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yeah, now it's not that long when you look at
twenty six years, but six years was a long time.
And the fact that we kept going and we kept
trying and kept trying and kept trying. Yeah, And so
people think when Booddocks came out, that was the first
music we ever made, you know, but it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
I remember the first time seeing what you guys looked like.
I was watching Crook and Chase in Arkansas and and
Tornado was I was hitting, and I was like, oh,
they're cool looking. That that's like a retro compliment. Yeah,
it was like kids, like, those guys are cool looking.
Crook and Chase was pretty awesome like that. That's that's

(31:11):
how like I connected to country music was listening to
Crook and Chase, especially on the weekends. Like I had
my Arkansas guys that I listened to, but Crook and
Chase they felt like they were here. I mean they
were like, my connection is yes, So I would think
as a young artist, I would have thought it was
cool to meet Crook and Chase. Did you guys feel
that way?

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Oh? Yeah, we have had an incredible relationship with them
for twenty something years. Yeah, they're just kind people. And
then what was the TV show the cann Nashville Now
Nashville Now. Did you watch that?

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (31:46):
I did.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
That was another one that was like that's how we
saw new artists. We discovered people that way. You know,
I cannot think that show needs to be back.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
That that type of show, though in long form, is
impossible to get to work.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
We aren't that patient anymore.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
It's sad. But like those old shows like Johnny Cash
and Barbara Mandreu, Oh, just the variety.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Glad Campbell had a great show, right, I mean, but
there are only four channels though at the time you
didn't have many other places to go. But now even
the late night shows, they're not being watched live a
lot They're making a lot of their money off of YouTube.
Everything being clipped.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
And if you're not doing that, if you're not you know,
if you don't have a bit even he saw that
with like James Corden, right, he had carporal karaoke, but
be getting people to stay and watch anything for an
hour is almost impossible.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yeah, and I have to say that, like those late
night guys are some of the nicest people in the business.
I mean, they are the nicest.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
How many of those shows have you done late night shows?
What hosts have you met?

Speaker 3 (33:00):
We met Jay Leno Le.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
So nice, so nice, Jimmy Fallon, Letterman. I wanted Letterman
to kiss my hand because that's how you knew that
you were like in the Chosen We needed to go again.
I was like, he kisses Sarah Jessica Parker's hand, and
he kisses Julia Robert's hand, and then I was worried
he's gonna kis Kimberly's hand and I was gonna be

(33:24):
like so bummed out, but he didn't. And Seth Myers
like we've gotten to know Seth and Jimmy Fallon pretty well,
and they are They're just amazing. People so nice.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Those late night shows are a bit odd though, because
it's like get ready, go done.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Even I would go up and guest host to today
show some Oh you are great. Oh thank you. I
don't know that you watched, but I appreciate you saying.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
That a watch. Yeah there, I love. They're also a family,
yeah yes, yeah, so warm by the way, so all
of them and the artists, and they even let me
bring artists on and like I took Nicole Gallaiy in
to perform.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
I was and so I took you know, different artists
that I liked, and but they would have to get
there at three thirty in the morning. Yeah, and then
you you know, line check or whatever it is, and
then you just wait and then it's okay go and
then you're it's just done, all right, thank you.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Three minutes, yeah quick.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
It's so fast. It's so much get ready time. Like yeah,
like your alarm clock goes off at two or two thirty.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
And you're up and then and then it's like adrenaline
and then then you crash after.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
That and go eat something.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Even doing morning radio shows, like I years ago stopped
having people come in early because no one wants to
wake up. I get it, and if anybody comes in now,
it's ten thirty or eleven, and we record it for
the next day. It's three pm when you guys came
over here now, because I don't want to put you
guys in a place where it's six thirty or seven

(34:58):
in the morning and you sing or having to act happy.
I'm already having an act happy. I ain't happy. I
hate no, not at all. And so but yeah, what
I found really cool, but also I was quite shocked
by was how early they had to get there and
then it's just quick you ready, okay, go and then
all right?

Speaker 1 (35:18):
And how how like their job demands so much of
them from an energy standpoint and cerebral like they got
to know what they're talking about from news to culture
or whatever, and how awake they are and on it.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yeah way, or I was there and Queen Elizabeth died,
so I oh, so I'm just there doing a week
and they don't expect Queen Elizabeth to die, or they
wouldn't have had me there. And so Queen Elizabeth died
and they're going, all right, can you handle it? I
was like, yeah, I can talk about whatever, and I'm
pretty good on a prompter. So yeah, it was just

(35:55):
me and Hoda doing Queen Elizabeth's dead.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Love that woman.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Oh she's awesome, right, the nice that I don't want
to say nice because nice feels fake, The kindest time.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
True, true, hard is true.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Yes, and Queen Elizabeth, of course.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
I mean, were you talking about Queen was No, I've
never met. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
I feel like I glazed right over Queen Elizabeth and.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
I didn't know her. I just thought it was crazy.
I happened to be there when she died. All of
a sudden, I'm talking to like Derek Jeter about a
kid's book, and it's like you got to cut everything
and go to Queen Elizabeth coverage and I'm there, like,
all right, Bobby R. Murrow here, we're going to check
in at Westminster, So how are the local people? It
just I had to do news guy.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
What a what?

Speaker 3 (36:43):
I don't want to say, A fun memory? What a
what a memorable moment? To be a part of history?

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Yeah, television, I feel like there's nothing like that that
you can't handle.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
I feel like I've had to be a Swiss Army knife.
Not on purpose. I didn't want it. I didn't want
to have to be pretty good at a lot of stuff.
But it's my only way to get into so many
doors was to have a bit of knowledge in fashion.
So he puts me on a red carpet to talk
about fashion. To have no sports.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
So now you have a boutakea Vannetta bag, so you know,
and you know, I don't think I didn't notice on
that plane what was strapped around your shoulder.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
I think maybe i'd have been embarrassed at some point.
Not anymore to be embarrassed, Well, I think I was.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
You look great. You and your wife have incredible fashion. Yes,
I love it. Remember when I teased you about possibly
flying on a private plane? I do years ago, Yep.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
And I was embarrassed. I was embarrassed that I had money.
And I think I thought, maybe I don't want people
to know I have money, So I'm gonna just still
be the person that people knew me for. And this
might sound weird, but I just I can't. I can't
hide not I'm screaming I have money. Well, you can

(37:58):
just google stuff, right.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah, Well, Kimberly got a Louis bag from our manager
and and so did you. I know, he gave us all.
Jason gave us all Louis Louis bag one year for
Christmas or something, and now we get candles. I don't
know what's happened to him.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
And he asked Christmas. Last Christmas, we didn't get a candle.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
We didn't get a candle last Christmas.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
We didn't used to get no one.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
But we're not.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
It's fine.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
I know. I'm like one year we got a candle
with his face on it. Yeah, we did remember those, Lisa.
Now we love Jason is the best gift buyer. Like
so he bought us all Louis like duffles.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Do you think he thought that would last for a
whole decade?

Speaker 1 (38:39):
It was a gift for the decade.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Because I'm ready for another Louis.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
But so, I just remember that. This week driver was
picking us up at a hotel or something and he
pulled out your Louis bag and she goes.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
I didn't buy that for myself, and I go, I
get it, We get it, We get in and I
go eat. Don't have to apologize for Louie bag. You know,
I've stayed at so many Howard Johnson's across.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yes, I have.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
She made me a hotel snob. First first hotel we
ever stayed in, Howard Johnson's in Asheville, North Carolina, was
the most discussed way. It still exists. It had shag
carpet from the sixties. We were opening up for Billie
Ray Cyrus. We drove ourselves over. We probably paid to play. Well,

(39:27):
we did because we paid all our expenses and all that.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
But that Hojo. She was always talking like, you're gonna
You're gonna want a nice hotel. I'm telling you. I
mean I was talking about a Hampton, you know. I
wasn't talking about the four seasons. Yeah, And she's like, no, no,
I like to camp and stuff. I can do it.
I'll be fine. And then she got in that and
she's like.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Cases disgust, But yeah, I'm not proud that I am
a hotel snob.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Now, yeah, I was embarrassed for a while and now
I don't want to lie about it. And that's the
weirdest thing for me is when TMZ put our last
house on their site, I had nothing to do with that.
I don't want that's no. If I want to get
a headline, I think now I'm equipped to get a headline. Yes,

(40:15):
And I choose I don't. That's not the headline I want.
And they listed our house was for sale down here,
and I was like, oh my god, it's and the
dollar amount. I'm like, that's crazy. It had to be
inside job. Oh yeah, inside job. Yeah. Kind of kind

(40:36):
of pass me off because I understand why you want
to sell the house, and how do you sell a
house you get more eyeballs on it.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
But man, from the next cellar for the next cellar, that's.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Not Yeah, that's a tough one for me. But I'm
getting that.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
I just don't care anymore, isn't it great.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
I don't know how old you are, but I'm barely fifty.
And I love being in my fifties because I care
about what people say, but I don't really care what
they say about me anymore.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
And I love that.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
I love that. My whole life, I've worried, like, like,
I didn't buy that Louis the time bag for myself.
I might not say that today. I might still say that, actually,
but I love being in my fifties because I'm not
worried about what everybody around me thinks about me.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
I think I have to worry about me wanting to
fight people more than what they say about me. Like
I only go into comments on Tuesdays because that's good.
I know what's not good for me, and I don't
care that people have feelings about me. I realize I
have a job, or if I'm just going to say
things that make people feel uncomfortable or just opinions. In

(41:50):
this town sometimes opinions aren't standard. Yeah right because everybody. Yeah, yeah,
so I don't really care that much. I've had to
toughen up on that, but I do get really I
get triggered and confrontational. Yeah, because I'll okay, let's fight. Yeah,
And so I only go on on Tuesdays. Oh yeah,

(42:13):
I have to know my I know my boundaries yet
because I know what keeps me healthy in my mind.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Right, because there can be those little tiny like seeds
that get planted of negativity. I don't like being misunderstood,
so that's when I get fighting mad.

Speaker 4 (42:32):
The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby Cast.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
How would you be misunderstood?

Speaker 3 (42:50):
She's a strong woman in a southern business and that's
not always looked upon.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, I think misunderstood in a way of like what
my intentions are from a business maybe aspect with the band. No,
not internally, No, not internally, I think it. Listen, I
have amazing relationships in this town that I've had for
years and years and years. But every once in a while,

(43:20):
like here, something like huh, I had no idea that
person thought that about me. It's not at all true,
you know. And but that must be to them what
I put out, you know, But it's also their own
narrative or.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
What they're searching for from. Yes, because I find that
a lot. Like I feel like I'm a pretty nice person,
although I think sometimes my inability to be the most
gregarious person makes people think I'm not a nice guy.
Because if I'm not on, I gotten I'm a minimal
and some people will go, oh, what a dick, And

(44:00):
it's like, no, I'm not performing, I don't not like you.
I didn't come here to be rude. I kind of
do my thing and then get out. It has nothing
to do with you. And the next thing I know,
it's what a dick that dude is. And I've kind
of had to get over. I've had to like not
allow that to affect me as much because it's a
different it's definitely a different part of me because I'm introverted,

(44:25):
like crazy.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
What do you know what enneagram number?

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah, I'm eight and I'll challenge any I'll punch anybody
in the face. Yeah, no, I'm talking.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
I mean I think it's getting misunderstood. Yes, sometimes, but
luckily we have that a little bit of tough challengers man. Yeah.
But yeah, I mean, but I can still get my
feelings hurt, you know. But I also crave justice like

(44:53):
me too. I mean, I can't stand to see like
someone being taken advantage of, or to see them be misunderstood.
I will go to war like And that's probably why
I don't read the comments a lot either, because you know,

(45:13):
if somebody says something about them, I'm probably gonna fight
a little, you know.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
The Alan Jackson thing was that cool. Hmmm.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Oh what about his voice? Holy cow?

Speaker 1 (45:27):
It sounded so good, phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
And then when he and George got together.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
I know, we looked at we were standing by Miranda
and she goes, I can't handle this, I can't handle it,
and she had started crying tears. I think she cried
like four times, yeah in the night. But when, yeah,
when George came out, that was that stadium.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Yeah, I mean that's something that may have never happened
before and it certainly won't happen again. It was oh
so incredible to be a part of what did you think.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Alan Jackson is in that part of my life where
I think I was figuring out who I was as
like a older kid, young adult, like that was that
time in my life. So that's and he is so
important to me. And I don't really have a relationship
with him. I've met him a few times and not

(46:19):
just were like I was doing some comedy and he
was performing. We're doing the fact, and he said like
three words to me, but it was like a nice
three words, and then someone else will say that's Alan.
So I didn't take anything. I wasn't taking an offense
to it at all. And he's just such a big
part of my life. I'm glad I don't not like him, yeah,

(46:40):
because and I'm glad that he got to perform such
a big show to such a loving stadium, outdoor stadium
full of people, Like it was just special. So I'm happy.
I hate that he's sick. That sucks. Yeah, but I
thought it was really cool. I thought it was an
outpouring of love in a freaking football stadium.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah, it was amazzing. It was, It was.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
It was so special to be a part of that
kind of celebration, just a small part of lifting him
up and saying, you know, we love you like crazy
and oh it was just one of those things that
we'll never.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Ever ever forget.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
I have a question, what did you guys sing?

Speaker 1 (47:22):
By the way Don Williams, the Don Williams It must
be Love? Was it huge hit for Don and for Alan?

Speaker 2 (47:30):
What were you going to ask me?

Speaker 3 (47:31):
I was going to ask you, so you said, in
that time when Alan kind of popped is when you
were kind of figuring out your way. So when did
you know that you had a talent for talking and
entertaining people on the radio. At what point did you
figure out you had something great enough to really go

(47:54):
for it?

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Man, I think I was able to sharpen this skill
as a kid to not get beat up. I had
to learn to be funny because I wasn't large and
I was a poor kid. Yeah, and I was a
small kid, and so if I'm not going to fight,
what are you going to do? Luckily I was smart,

(48:19):
meaning I had a god given ability to even want
to pursue learning. And so my weapon was funny and
it was just my escape patch forever more than anything else.
And it was my way out. It was my way
to get out of Mountain Pine, Arkansas. I was a
way to graduate high school, graduate, get to college. And
so but I mean, we all have to have this

(48:42):
irrational like screw loose to pursue that any This is
the craziest.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
World job, all of it.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
So why did you guys even think you could do it?
Because nobody does it. It's nobody. You can't do this.
It's it's you can't replicate this.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Now.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
No, I don't know how wah.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Or how we did it.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
I know as a kid, I wanted to be on
stage singing. But of course as a kid, you have
no idea what all that entails. I mean, you just think, oh,
I'm going to be a singer one day on stage.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
But to pursue this, you have to think I'm doing
me too. You have to think that you have something.
There's some ego involved that is so good that people
are going to spend money to watch it or spend time.
Like you have to believe in yourself so much and
it's an odd juxtaposition of believing in yourself so much
and also being wildly insecure. Like for me, that was it. Yes,
it's the insecurity that drives me like completely, and it's

(49:40):
luckily having some ability and then tenacity. Right, it's like
this weird soup it is without the insecurity though I'm
not here.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Yeah, I think the tenacity part is what pushes people
who the line to really get to a goal, to
really see it through. It's like that innate thing in
you that it makes an athlete great, it makes you great.
It gives us a chance to entertain, and that that

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little drive in there that is like I have something.
I'm not better than anybody, but I'm going to work
my ass off, yeah, and I'm going to show up
and I'm that's it. I'm not going to take no
for an answer. It's not an answer, and I'm going
to keep going, keep going, keep going. And that that
really has been our motto as a band. Like there

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were there were some rough years in there, even after
we had some success and then we didn't have success
and people were saying things and I was like, I
wrote the band one night and I was like, you know,
nobody tells us when we quit. We quit when we
want to quit. That's it. No one. I don't care

(50:58):
who they are, no label president, nobody tells us when
we quit. And that was kind of our little mantra
of if we all want to go to the house someday,
we will, but we'll decide together. It won't be anybody
finishing us.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
The through line with most really successful people is that
they don't have some wildly set of amazing set of skills.
It's just they don't quit.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
I mean, that's really the one common thing that I
see with people who are really successful. It's not that
they were born with some wonderfully inate ability to do anything. Yeah,
it's that they don't stop and they continue like learning, yeah,
work ethic yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
And we've had so many opportunities to quit because of
being dropped in all a millionaires million reasons, but we
never have.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
How much longer do you think you guys.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Have on the day. Oh, I'm just gonna say it
right here. I can't do another twenty. We'll be in
the old Folks Home by then.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
No, we're not that old, but we might be in
Palm Springs with the Turbine on having a dirty martini.
I don't know where you have the rest of y'all eaten,
making biscuits and jelly, occasionally coming back to the Opry
or your theater in Branson.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Those are the two things. That's what Brett Eldridge and
I've always said is one of my best friends. Like dude,
one day, when it's over for both of us, we're
just gonna go wait at theater and Branson, we're going
to live there and do our thing.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Do you think I love it? That was one of
our first shows, Yeah, Branson, and we opened up for
George Jones and we I think I have that ticket
stuff somewhere. We were in a green mini van and
we loaded in our merch, in our own merch, and
then philp We owned one guitar and Philip broke a
string on it and we had to ask George's crew

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and band if we could borrow a guitar. And that
was like horrifine.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Philip used to always break strings. Oh my god, and
we only had one guitar, so it shut down the show.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
We knew we made. It was when we got a
guitar tech for Philip.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Oh yeah, and that was way in Well we first
we got to both of the boys.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
But yeah, but he got an extra guitar before a
tech though, right, Oh, yeah, we.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
Had two guitars. Then a few years later we had
a tech and.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Then we had four. Yeah, then we had four guitars backups.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
You know what's a big moment is when you get
a bus.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Oh yeah, you know, it's a big moment when you
lose a bus.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
It's kind of even bigger when you get a bus.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
And then oh you lose a deal and you get
off a bus and you go back to a van.
You talk about humbling. We watched the bus drive off
and I said, watch it, y'all not going to happen
for a while, and it didn't and we were like,
but bye, back to the van.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Really yeah, that that's when you.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Know you want it. You get back in a van.
You want it. People need to get in vans, yes,
and drive around. We just talk about this with Kenny
Chesney all the time, like that life of like really
road dog in it and it's hard is what makes you.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
It really does at least allows you to appreciate it
when you are making it. Yes, I've often wondered would
I'd rather be Oprah or Queen Queen Elizabeth dead as
we talked about earlier, But would I rather be Oprah
Queen Elizabeth? And it's always Oprah because she's gone through
the crap? Yeah, so she can appreciate everything that's not
crap if you're just born into it, Like what do

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you even appreciate?

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Yeah? So what will you do for your child to understand?
Because that's what I know. It's the thing I used
to laugh at Jimmy because he'd be like, well, I
want to lie to just go playing a creek like
I did. And I was like, because you flew him
around the world, like it's not his fault, like you know.

(54:51):
And now he does like to playing creeks, you know,
and and fishes and stuff. But it's our expectations of
what we think a childhood should be or shouldn't be.
And you'll see that in your parenting that you will
often be parenting yourself. You're like trying to do something

(55:12):
that really you're talking about yourself.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
Especially with your background and the struggles that you went through.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
My wife was giving her sick carner sixteenth birthday with
a bow on it. She said, what about you. I
went to work. You know I got I bought a
Subaru for two hundred and eighty dollars that barely, so
you know, we have different versions, different Yeah, and she's like,
I can't wait. You know we're going to get her
a car. I'm like, no, no, no, no, but then you.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Will because you wanted to be safe, and you'll be like,
I'm going to put her in bubble wrap and then
put her in the car.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
I'm sure. I talk a big game right now.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
No, you'll do great, You're gonna I know, I know.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
You're right, You're absolutely right. I'm sure. Yet in a
couple of years, what's the best sad song ever? Oh? Wow,
I'll go blue Eyes Crying in the Rain one of
my top five favorite songs of all time. All my

(56:15):
favorite songs are sad songs. Me too, because I.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Just wrote a song on the record called Sucker for
a That's why I asked that question.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
Oh well, you know what, I almost says, Yeah, yeah,
I almost said when you said that about favorite sad song,
almost named one of our own songs, which is on
the new record's name it the Idea.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
But that's I don't know that one. Okay, good.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
It's devastating. Every time the chorus comes around, it's devastating.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
What's the idea?

Speaker 3 (56:51):
The idea is you want to be in love? We
talk about you say you love me. You can probably
remember all the lyrics.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
It's like, I don't know if I want to say it.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Don't say yet, you don't but yeah, because the hook
is so good.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
And you don't see it coming.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
I just wonder what the idea is, like the idea
of not having yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
If we will tell you behind the scenes, it comes out,
it comes out and bargoed.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
I think my favorite sad song is when I call
your name, Patty Loveless. Oh no, not when I call
your name that's Spence. No, you don't even know. You
don't even know who I am.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Oh yes, I knew what you were talking about because
you want to say that.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Yes, I love that song.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
So your favorite sad song is.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
You don't even know who I am, Patty Loveless.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Your favorite sad song is don't pick your own.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
I know I'm trying to think of my I mean,
I mean, I could be obvious and say he stopped
loving her today, which is pretty devastatingly sad.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Still, though, it's cliche, but it's also cliche for.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
A reason because it's the saddest song. The only reason
he stopped loving her because he died.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Yeah, that's pitiful. That's also Whiskey Lullaby, my favorite is.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
One of the greatest songs of all just songs, period,
of all time.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Great that it was on radio popular radio, it is.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
It's one of my top ten favorite songs of all time.
Would that also you think if it went extremely viral
because Paisley was doing a dance, Oh, then deny it.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
You know we can work on that also, Ghost in
This House.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Yeah, i'd throw Ain't no Sunshine up there. Yeah, I
know that's a that's a tough one. Yeah, bos crying
the ring of my favorite songs ever. Yes, everybody hurts RM.
I probably played that more in college in any other

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song because I was just lonely.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
You know what we we turned that into on the
bus when we have kids us everybody poops sometimes when
the kids are in diapers and you'd have one of them,
that would be like, you know, just.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
You guys are doing parodies to poop. Oh, yeah, parodies.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
You don't know how many. I can't say most of
them but Jimmy and Philip are they should make a
living writing parody music like.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
They first started doing that, like in truck stops.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Which is a perfect place to do vulgar parodies.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
Yes, and they would come back and get in the
van after being in the bathroom and they would have
a new poop parody.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Well, we have. We have some group ones too, but
I wouldn't say I'm on your show. It's night show
with the.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Album coming out. It's a dying art. You guys aren't quitting,
are you?

Speaker 1 (59:52):
No?

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Okay, t throw you?

Speaker 1 (59:57):
You can be honest.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
I didn't know if you you were just kind of
It didn't throw me, but I wasn't convinced. It wasn't
what you were saying.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Yeah, it's a dining art as a song about like
enduring love.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
And you could have picked any title to be there,
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
But you know what it is for us is like
it says everything about where we feel like as artists
we want to be, which is getting back to all
things that we actually do with our voices and instruments
and art. Even down to the cover of the record

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was a photo that was taken by Becky Fluke that
we stretched on canvas and found an old frame and
then found a guy that makes those little gold plaques
and engraved on onto the like when you'd walk into
any family house and you'd see an old portrait of

(01:00:56):
a family, and then we took a photo of the photo,
and so down to like celebrating the art that we
make and getting back to that and all I know,
there's all the discussion about AI and everything, and listen,
I love to do use it for like homework stuff,

(01:01:17):
not yes, not my home all. You know, then I
know what they're talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
But also like look at each other in the eye
and putting the phones down and just having true fellowship
with the people you love. That's a dying art.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
It's not that Little Big Town's quitting after this record.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
No, No, it's just like when you hear that song
and then you hear the whole record, you're gonna go, oh,
I get it, I get it. It makes it makes sense.

Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
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Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Do you ever hear a song of yours that you
recorded a long time ago and not remember recording it?

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Yeah, that happened recently. What were we listening to one day?
And I was like, what is that, un phil because
your song.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
Philip always remembers. He always remembers all the obscure songs
that we recorded, and never like he listens. I think
he listens to us a lot like at home, you know,
I think he does. That's fine. We're his favorite man.
He is our number one fan. I forgot.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
I forgot the duet that I sang with Luke Bryan
that went number one. And we went to the Redbird Games,
their charity that they have, and lincaes Karen. I could
it was gone. I could not find the verse. And
he looked at he was so offended. He's so mad

(01:02:49):
at and he was like, what do you mean you
don't know it? I couldn't. It couldn't come to me.
It just it wasn't there talk about a rich guy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Hey, here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
I tease him all the time. I always say, you
just can't hide money, Well you can hide a helicopter.
But we all know, I know, we all know, Yeah,
we all know. I love it for him too, A good, great.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
Dude, generous.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
He's so generous.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
I wouldn't have really known, but we did four years
together do an American idol and so with that on
a TV set, you're just there sitting forever, and you
either get really close with the people or you don't
at all. It's it's one of two ways. And like
Luke and Carrie his manager, yea, oh Carrie. Carrie defended

(01:03:35):
me at times against Katy Perry that they were that
were She's awful, but they were terrible, and Carrie would
be in there fighting for me. And I just have
such like admiration for him and for her because they're together.
To me, that that's a unit, right, And uh yeah,
Luke's awesome, just just a great guy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
He's the reason why. Yeah what Luke Bryan Cardier.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Oh your watch? I think you were showing me your
tan You bought you a Tanning bad or something.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
No, really fancy watches when we toured with him. So generous,
I mean just so generous, so nice.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
If your friends with Katy Perry, sorry about that, okay,
just making.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Sure we don't I mean, we're better. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
I don't even have any more to say. I'm just
saying that like that, you either get really close to
people or you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
That's right, You know what I was talking to it,
and I don't know if you find this to be true,
but I was talking to a younger artist recently, not
a brand new artist, a very successful, but younger artist,
and they were just expressing the husband and wife of
like how their generation of artists don't really hang and

(01:04:55):
we hang. And I was like, oh my gosh, it's
a nice you're missing out and they're like, it's so competitive,
and I was like, it doesn't have to be that way.
Like I am never looking at Miranda or Kelsey and
going I want what they have. I'm more looking at
them going damn, those are good songs. Wow. That inspires

(01:05:17):
me so much. There's enough room at the table, you know.
And I don't feel that way, do you?

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
I don't, But I could see being young and feeling
that way because when I was younger, everybody was the enemy. Yeah,
and not because I didn't like them, but because we're
fighting for the same oxygen here. But then as I
got older, but then when I also could eat, yeah,
that pressure falls off a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
But it's weird to be around for like a few
creative generations in this town because now I have been
and I've been able to see the cycle happened four
times now and you see the artists blow up and go,
everybody go, this is the craziest thing, how big. I've
got to see it with Sam, I've got to see
it with Wall and I've got we saw Luke. But

(01:06:02):
when I first and it's been wild to see. And
now it's happening, you know, with Ella and Meghan, and
everything changes, but everything says the same. And that's what's
crazy about this town, yep Is and it's it's the
same cycle. And then even like the there are younger
male artists that I will feel an understanding of their

(01:06:26):
story where they come from. And now I've also seen
the pitfalls that can happen. And it's don't get anybody pregnant,
and if you don't, don't hit anybody. And if you
go to jail, I got you and no one will know.
But just don't do those things right because it'll happen.
Because here's the cycle. You have no money. Now you

(01:06:48):
have more money than you've ever had, so you're gonna
make decisions that you've never had because it's going to
be on you so quick and you're going, oh my god.
And then you're gonna get so caught up and oh
my god, that you're in trouble. And it's nice to
see that. And you can't keep people from doing it.
You can make them aware that it's coming. And that's
been pretty cool. I like that, ver I like this

(01:07:09):
version of me now because I feel like I've seen
it a bunch of times.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Yeah, And if I have to get a little older
to have that wisdom, that's okay. Yeah, but it's been
it's been nice to be able to not shepherd anybody
but just go, this is going to happen and I
got you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
And also to not think that because here's the young
artist cycle. Young artist comes, they get a couple of hits,
they start feeling themselves. Then they're too cool, they got
some money and they're feeling themselves. Eventually, everybody you see
going up, you're going to see coming back down a
little bit. And eventually you're going to come back down

(01:07:45):
a little bit. Nobody's able to maintain and you may
go back up, but you're going to do that. It
is a freaking roller coaster, and so to have that
perspective is pretty valuable. I listen, when I moved to
this town and it hit for me hard. Was the
same way. I was like, oh my god, I got money.
Oh my god, I'm doing all these shows. I'm so cool.
And then when it all it's like stop coming from me.

(01:08:06):
I'm like, oh ok, yeah, yeah, I got to remind
myself who I am. But I did that, And so
being able to like have that knowledge is fun.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
Wisdom, that's wisdom.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
I just feel like I should have like one of
the beards.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
Wisdom, like a Rick rub beard. That's a future that
you would never you wouldn't like that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
I have long hair though, like I've been growing my
hair out.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
It's good.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Yeah, baby likes it. I just don't cut it because
baby likes it. See yeah, yeah, Well I haven't heard
the record yet. I don't listen to records early because
I like to listen to them when all my people
that watch and listen to hear them. But I'm gonna
be ready for the idea, Yes, thank you? Is that
is that like the song in you guys's mind? Not single?

(01:08:51):
Not single? But is that like the song when people
listen to it, they're gonna go that's the one I remember.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
I think. So, I mean I feel that worry about
a couple of songs, but that one, like when we
do play it for people, they go, yeah, you kind
of hear the room, the air stuck out of the room.
We didn't write it. It's a Lauren hung gateless Rose
toferh Brown song and Toper sent it to me one

(01:09:19):
night and I was just blown away. It's just like
one of those gifts of a song that really there
says it so beautifully. The hook its like, do.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
You guys are going back out on the road. Do
you have your openers?

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Do?

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Here? They are?

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
We haven't announced the openers ance it right now. The
fans are just stuck with us.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Well, you guys have been great. My point was, you
guys been great to bringing along people.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Yeah, we definitely are gonna We're about to announce openers,
we just haven't yet.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
But bringing along like cool new people.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
I know, I love it and like I don't ever
want to do just an evening with a little big town.
I mean, I like us, but I like there's such
a value you in having a discovery of an artist
like in front of us and us being able to say, like,
wait till you're Caitlyn Smith.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
I was literally gonna say Kaylyn Smith and I.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
Did, She did with us and just blew us away
every night, you know. And I love those moments where
I'm dying to get dressed early so i can go
watch side stage and watch it all happen. Yeah, there's
just so many good I'm obsessed with Joshua Sloan. Have
you listened to that record?

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
They have? I've talked about listening to it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
It is if I wake up in the middle of
the night, that's what I'm singing. I think I'm singing
him in the key. I've listened to it so much,
like I am such a huge fan. I figured you
maybe already met him.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
You know, I know what I'm listening to, Fisher Price
purple Monkey and a bubble gum tree. And if you
can't see a purple monkey and a bubble gum tree, yeah, yeah,
that's why I'm listening to push that orange button on
that massive piano and listen to the same four baby
songs over and over again.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Yeah. I wait to enter into the Peppa Pig years.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
You're gonna love Blue.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
What's gonna happen is because I wrote a kids book
before I had a kid, A little weird. What's gonna
happen is I'm gonna be inspired to like create something.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
Kid Yes you are kids record.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Yeah, I did a kids I did a kid's record
once Cracker Breill bought it immediately, it's my you know
I did. So we did Reggie Kidiots and Cracker Breill
bought it and it was all over there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Yeah, I'm sorry that I didn't know that I didn't
need the kids one.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
It's okay. I was probably youre probably watching that Today's
show and you whenever we put it out, it's just song. Yeah, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Idiotti.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
I did a song about the planet's just for fun,
and I did like a this rap song because I
had a record deal. Was a hip hop artist at
one point. Well for one song. Did you guys know
that I feel like I did And this is not
a joke, but I did. I was kind of funny
when I rap, but I was Captain Caucasian, that was
my name. Yeah, and so a little bit I can

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corny rap, and so I did a song about the planets.
So it was an educational song. And then I had
a record deal Black River, and they said, oh, let's
do more of these songs and I was like, whoa,
this was just kind of a fun joke and it
did a whole kids record and the Cracker rollbot it
and it was all over the stores forever.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
It's so cool. So what's the song about the planets?

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
Well, let's see, I can do bare Naked Ladies one
week one of my songs.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
It's like when Luke Bron said the Karen you don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Yeah, I don't know that. I want to get that record.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
Though, because I have a year old and she's written
that you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Don't want the record, but it's up. But do you
guys remember Sting mix a lot? Okay? He had a
song called Buttermilk Biscuits that was like buttermilk biscinsun But
I did the chorus to that where it was like,
my very energetic mother just served us nine pizza as Mike,
So that's, you know, my very mercury venus Earth Mars,

(01:13:11):
and it started to planet. Let me just plan them
that of it and then then we're done here.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
And Schoolhouse Rock we just sang all those on the
on the plane the other day we tried to remember
all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Brace yourselves, guys, Okay, I'm ready, Here we go do
you know there's one hundred planet songs?

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
I thought I was the only one.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
And that's why you're Bobby Bones.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
Yeah, I believe it myself so much.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
I thought the only one.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Okay, let's see here. And then my point, by the way,
with your artist is that you guys have done such
a great job at bringing along really cool artist, was
that if you had announced them. I wanted people to
know when they go to you guys as shows to
get there for the opener, because you guys do such
a great job of that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
Yeah. Can I brag for a second while you find
your planet?

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
So I want you to brag. I've already found itt,
but I want you to brag anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
So we had we took out Zach Brown Band to
open for US. We took out Chris Stapleton to open
for US, Musk Graves, Mallerini, Brothers, Osbourne. I mean, yeah,
get there for the open and act because we have
a pretty dog one good record.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
That's pretty cool. That resume of openers. Okay, and then
we're gonna held on there's a talking part.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
Hold on. Do you know how to.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Remember their order?

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
Hell? Easy?

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
My very energetting mother just served us nine pizzas. Get
ready for it. I wrote a song about it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:34):
I want to hear it my very getting mother, setting mother.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Thirty seconds and I'm done, start up from the start,
and a planet number one me my good friend's closest
to the sun. So it was all educational when I
was holding up planets and boys, I like to planet to.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
Goddess.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Beauty is where it got its name. The whole planet
is burning.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
It's basically a flame.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
So I just did all the planets and didn't and
then went back to the chorus. It's okay, but yeah,
it's really cood.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
I was like, this is awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Who knew music was easy?

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
I mean joke, no, no, no, I'm blown away. That's
really cool.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
I'm not musical really, but yeah, thanks you big beastie boys.
Right yeah, okay. Before you came in, we talked about
the tour and congrats on the record. Whenever it comes out.
You can't wait for it. Big fan of you guys.
So it's really great to see you guys again in
a town where everybody kind of looks close together, nobody
really ever sees anybody, so it is really great to
see you guys. So tell the guys I said.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Hello, we will, we said hello, I definitely will.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
And continued success. You guys are amazing. Thank you for coming,
thank you for having us.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
Great to see you.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production