Singer/Songwriter Stella Lefty sits down with Bobby to talk about the unfinished TikTok that changed everything when “Boston” unexpectedly took off. She shares how stage fright kept her from performing, why she hid her musical ambitions and the bold DM that led to her first Nashville writing session. Stella also opens up about moving from Chicago to New Orleans and Los Angeles, becoming an artist after writing for others and how she met her boyfriend, Vincent Mason.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Your boyfriend is how'd you meet him? What was his DM?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
He said he liked thinking about You when I was
teasing it, so he sent me the song.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Did he really like that song or was he just
trying to use that to get to you?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
He says he really liked the song.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Hey everybody, we're hanging out today with one of the
fastest rising new voices in music, Stella Lefty. She's awesome
singer songwriter who went from posting songs online in college
to having one of the biggest breakout moments of the
year with her song Boston, which is also awesome. You
might know her from her song think About You, racked
up millions of streams, really introduced a lot of people
(00:44):
to her before Boston hit. She has a new EP
that's out called Is This Heaven. She's getting ready to
hit the road and I don't know what I expected,
but pretty great. Not gonna lie to you, she is.
I think you're really going to enjoy her as well.
One of my favorite new artists now, Stella Lefty. Stella
(01:07):
Good to.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
See you, Bobby, good to see you? Is that?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Is that your real name? Stella is because it's the
cool name. My name is not real. What's your real Well,
Bobby's my real name?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Is it Robert?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
No, Bobby is my real name, but Bones is a
fake name. I kind of thought that, right, But your
name is also cool, so I didn't know if it
was real or not.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Well, Lefty is like a shortened version of my last name.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Well, my real last name Isopolis.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Okay, so yours also?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
No, it's not, it's not it's not at all.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I really believed. I was like, what origin is that?
Like where we're going to hate myself? But you know what,
I'm trusting. I trusted you.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
And you you don't live here in Nashville. Have you
ever lived here in Nashville?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
No? I almost did. I was supposed to live here.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Okay, just I want to walk through like your it.
It's like a superhero your origin story because my origin
we haven't met. I know, you know, so bear with me.
You grew up near Chicago. The reason I think I
know that is I saw I'm a massive Cubs fan.
You are big north Side.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Oh yeah, where are you from?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
My whole life? Well, I'm from Arkansas, but my stepdad
and his dad were massive Cubs fans, and the Cups
sucked forever. This is before you. Yes, so they sucked
forever and so I suffered with them forever.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Oh so now you get to own it. You can
own it now you're a real Cubs fan.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah. And so now once they start winning, you don't
really have to tell anybody. And some people will be bandwagoners.
But that's okay. We don't care. We don't care. We're
just happy to do.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I mean, I would say that I'm like relatively bandwagony
in terms of, like, I mean, I grew up going
to Cubs games, but I wasn't out watching every single game.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, but you know, you grew up near there, you're
automatically in. Okay, cool, you're in. I saw you throwing
the first pitch. Yes, so I thought, oh, she just
and then I looked and I said, you grew up
near Chicago.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah. Yeah, so that's that's our team.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
So Cubs so not the White Sox so no, because
I was not a White Sox fan.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
No. Like my my mom grew up outside of Chicago,
like in a town near the town that I grew
up in, and her family is like the biggest Cubs
fans ever of all time, like has like Cubs attire
that they wear like on a daily basis, like Cubs
dresses everything, so like they you know, it's like in
her blood to be like a hups Cubs fan.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
And so you lived in that town what's the town
called Glenco. So you lived there and you moved out
at what age I went?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
I moved to New Orleans to go to school when
I was eighteen.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
And you went to New Orleans where, like, I know,
Tulane is Ulane? Oh you did? Yeah, okay, we're working
from blank slade.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
No, no, it's good.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Okay, So you went to Tulane. Uh huh twu Lane's
hardcore because well it's in New Orleans? Like did you
go hard Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I did? I did, But it was truly like the
best four years ever.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
So you went all four years?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
All four years my public health major?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Why really? So you had like normal person like give
back to the world type aspirations.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, yes, Now I wanted to go into public health,
but obviously, you know, unfortunately my degree just like rots away.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So public health means what like what was your idea?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Okay, this is the thing. So my I really I
was horrible at math my whole life, like really not
great really also not great at science, but I wanted
to do something with like maybe communications in public health,
like do something in that orbit. But I wanted to
work for like, like I guess I was like ideally
like hospitals or something in like the medical world, because
(04:39):
my friend growing up had cancer instead of my mom.
So I was like, really, I feel like surrounded by
like a lot of there was a lot of medical
conversations happening all the time. So that's what I was
like passionate about. But I don't remember like what exactly
the goal was. The goal, Like I feel like as
time passes, I'm just like I don't but I really
I was super passionate about it.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Then I it's you finished.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I finished so up on finishing what I wanted to
be a songwriter.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
So you had already in the middle of school decided
you're gonna finish, But you also when you finish, you're
gonna pursue writing songs. Did did did that realization happen
in the middle of your four years?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
It happened like more like in the middle of my
senior year. That's like, really when I decided I wanted
to like figure out what the songwriting thing would be.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Who do you write songs with in New Orleans or
are you writing yeah alone?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I didn't know and there was no one in that
I knew of that was like doing that. So I
was just like in my bedroom doing It's that.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Tends to be the case, is that before people get here,
they do it by themselves because there's not a community
of songwriters really anywhere else unless you're New York or
Los Angeles, and so you learn to write by yourself.
But then once you start doing co write, that's kind
of weird because you've only written by yourself.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
It's so weird you're like, what am I? What's my purpose?
Like when do I talk? When do I sing?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
And do I share it? Am I over sharing? About one?
Because you're writing with people you really don't know and
you're to write emotional songs about it's weird.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
It's actually a crazy like if you break it down
like that, it's like, wow, I can't believe that, Like
that's what we do? You know?
Speaker 1 (06:17):
So you're riding at two line. Are you playing any
shows like bars or anything?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
No? I had huge stage right huge, like would not
sing in front of anybody? Did one show we had
like a like a frat organized something and the like.
There was this band, like a bunch of my like
some of my guy friends were trying to like do
this band and sing it this like frat thing, and
they asked me to be the lead singer and I
said yes. And then like three weeks go by, we
(06:43):
haven't rehearsed yet, and I'm like, I can't do it.
Back out. And then there was like one time where
I did sing.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Like but you backed out and you stayed backed out. Yeah, no,
I didn't do end to the story was you showed up.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
No no, Like there is no movie, no, no, no,
there was no aeroic moment where it all like happens.
I was just like, no, I'm not I can't do it.
I had the worst stage fright, like I would not
get on stage.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
But how did they even know that you could sing?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I was posting. That's what was weird. And I still
don't understand why I felt so comfortable posting myself singing,
but like could not do it in front of another person.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Okay, so I can understand the safety of posting. However,
what's different about posting is you're opening yourself to all
this critique from people that you don't know, that you
don't know, and it's just wild and free in the
comments section, So did you look at your comments?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I did, but there were like five comments. These videos
weren't crushing. It was like five comments, and they were
like emoji's you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Did you feel weird posting your first video?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
No? Because I think my first video was in like
twenty twenty or maybe even well, okay, so I was
posting on musically.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
When I was like forty like music dot L yes, yes,
and I.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Was posting like lip syncing videos where you know, and
like people were doing like this and whatever. So I
just like, don't think I ever really thought about it.
But the first time I probably like posted a cover,
I don't even like it was like probably twenty twenty,
and I didn't I didn't think about it really and.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
You didn't feel weird or you didn't watch it back
and go, I don't know, should I leave this up?
I mean I still do that with every video I post,
and I've been doing this a long time.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I do that more now. I don't think I cared
them because I was like, what, like ten people are
going to view this video? You know, like now I
think I watched my videos more and like critique myself,
but I try not to. I think it's like that's
not fun.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
When did you decide that's what you wanted to do
like forever, as opposed to that's what you want to
do for fun? Now, Like why did you write in songs?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Like when?
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah? Like when did it go? Okay, I want to
write songs, but now I really want to write songs
for my whole life.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Hmmm. I think the first session that I was in Okay, yeah,
that's when it was because I like in the middle
of my senior year when I like decided that I
wanted to try being a songwriter. It was because I
had like this, I think like somebody had reached out.
I don't remember like what it was, but I think
somebody like do you me or we had like been
messaging and he was a publisher and he was like,
(09:05):
I potentially want to sign you to my publishing company
because he had like seen my TikTok videos or like
I don't remember what the exact thing was, but then
he flew me to Nashville like the day after I
graduated college, and so I was in my first ever
session with other people that week, and in the session,
I was like, this is what I want to do
for the rest of my life, but I didn't know
for sure when it. You know, prior to that.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Moment, how did you trust a guy sliding in your
DM saying I want to fly you to another state.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I do that multiple times. I did that multiple times
because that person is not my publisher.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Now.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
My publisher now also DM me like two months later
being like, got any songs and I was like no,
and he was like.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I want to trust a dude in my DMS.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I don't know. I think I was just like, really,
I really want to figure it out. I was like
really determined to figure it out, and like I was
posting every day, multiple times a day, and so I
think I was just like whatever it takes to like
get where I need to go.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Were you doing anything original in those posts?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, I was writing original songs.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
And how did you feel about those? Was there any
sort of being self conscious about what you're writing? Because
you know, covers people like because they're famous their big songs,
what about your original stuff?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Like, I'm trying to remember if I felt a sort
of way about it.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Can you look back at them now and still be
proud of them, or do you go, oh, I really
didn't know what I was doing.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I definitely think that. I'm like, these songs are horrible,
but I released them on Spotify like they're disjoke kid,
Like I was putting some songs out that were like demos, like, so,
I don't know. I don't think though that, Like I
feel like I I just I don't know that girl.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Were any of those good?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
No? No, no, But my brothers still listen to them.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Well, they're not supposed to be good, right, I mean
they're bad.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Like if I showed you one right now, you'd be like, wow,
that's really tough.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I probably wouldn't, but I'd probably go, oh, this is
when you were learning mm hmm. And then you get
around it's kind of weird to get around songwriters that
have done it for a long time and you see
the tricks you learn, the tricks like the double meaning.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Oh for sure, Oh for sure, the internal rhyme. I
was like, what is that?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Who even knew? You tried to rhyme wards in the
middle of lines and not just at the end.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
That's what I'm saying, Like I never thought was like,
and then.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
You're around people that do it all the time and
do it really well, and you go, oh, I've got
a lot of growing to do, Like I really want
to do it, but I have a lot of growing
to do.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Totally.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Who did you write with where you felt that way
early on and you went, dang, that person's so good.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
That was my first I felt that on my first
session because my first session the publisher that like I
had been talking to you really early on, like he
set me up with Jackson Free who's an amazing writer
in Nashville, and then oh my god, I'm blanking on
his name, but he's this singer like for the band Nightly,
And so that was my session. It was with them too,
and I had never been in a session, and I
just remember being like, Wow, these guys are so good
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and they like actually know what they're doing. Like I
didn't even really know that a chorus needed to like
have different chords or like you know what I mean.
Like I'd listened to songs, so I kind of knew,
but I didn't really understand that from like a writing perspective,
and so I just felt that in that session, like Wow,
there's so many things I didn't know, and like, these
guys know how to do that.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
So when you're coming to Nashville right after school, were
you planning to maybe move here from New Orleans? You
weren't going to stay in New Orleans? Right?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
No? Well I went back home back to Chicago. Yeah.
And then like the trip that I had come out
here that the publisher wrong out here was for like
a week, and I really wanted to like sign a
deal with him, and I really wanted to like move
out here because that was like, you know, that would
have been a huge deal for me. I was like,
if I signed this publishing deal, that means that, like
I'm doing something right. In my head, I believed, you know,
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which makes sense. I think a lot of people feel
that way. But I that deal fell through, and so
I was like, what am I going to do? And
then my publisher now reached out and then he was like,
you got to go to la That's where you should go.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I love Chicago. It's probably second or the favorite city
maybe first that I've never lived in, but I've spent
enough time there. I just can't do the winter.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
It's so so it's awesome, but it's bad here too. Like,
you guys don't have a great winter here.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
We don't have a great winter. I love Chicago. I
don't know how people will stay there.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
But it's so The thing is though the summer. Have
you been there of the summer? Yeah, that I think
is like redeeming.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
If you're there for the summer, you just like I think,
you just tough it out until it comes back.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Summers are awesome. But I remember going to Wrigley in
the spring and freezing my face off in the spring,
I know, and I would go around because they would offer,
you know, sign up for a credit card, get a
free T shirt. I wouldn't wear enough clothes, so I'd
go sign up for like eight credit cards and have
like a tree dition you have. We're eight fr T
shirts and we're talking about we're in April or May
and it's coming off like Michigan. I'm just freezing my
face off. Did you do any winter sports?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Mmm? No, No. I was a tennis player, and I
think we uh, it was never cold for tennis, but
I played throughout the whole like I played win during
the winter, just like it was an inside place inside, Yeah,
it was inside.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Were you good tennis player.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
No were. I loved it, but I wasn't great.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Did you play high school tennis? Club tennis?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I played for my high school. Yeah, I like tore
my ACL before I could play varsity. So I was
JV for like.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Two years because of your torn ACL.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
No, Like I was JV before I tore my ACL.
And senior year, like I really thought that I would
get to varsity because a lot of the seniors, I
think do, But I tore my a CL like right
before that time happened, and so I just like didn't
do that. Senior y, I ran track and field.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
So with a torn ACL, after a torn.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
ACL, Yeah, after a torn ACL, you.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Chose to run. I chose to play tennis.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Uh huh. But I didn't want to do nothing. And
I really, like, I think like sports in my high
school were a huge thing. Everybody did them, and so
I think for me, like I didn't know what to
do because training for tennis would start like in the
middle of summer, and also it also started the middle
of summer for like track and field, and so by
the time that would like come around, all all my
friends were like, you know, doing sports, and I was like,
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I need to like do something, and so I started running.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Were you learning music though on high school at all?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I was playing the guitar in high school, but like
very as a hobby, Like it was so not taking seriously.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Were you the guitar playing kid in high school to
your friends or were you just doing it in your room?
Well then why did you? What? What inspired you to
get a guitar? Somebody in your house play guitar?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
No? No, I started. I actually don't even know why.
I was so young when I started learning. I was
like seven or something, but I was just like, I
really want to.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Learn who was it that you loved? Like Taylor?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I loved Taylor And the first song I learned how
to play was Timergrow. So I think I probably just
wanted to learn how to play off her songs. But
I don't really remember, like it was so long ago.
I was so young, but I just I always wanted
to sing. I loved singing always, and so I think
maybe that was my way of like, I'll be able
to sing if I can play the guitar, and I
can you know, and.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
You never sang though no publicly, no never.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
No.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
My friends like didn't even know that. I like like
when when I like moved to La to like pursue
this and like really give it a shot. Like they
were like so like when I did my first ever shows,
they were like, we've never seen you like that, Like
seeing you on stage is like weird, like it's off putting,
like we didn't even know you, like saying really like
this is bizarre.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
It sounds like Mike, Mike produces this, and Mike's one
of my really good friends. And I was doing a
bunch of stand up and Mike writes really funny jokes.
And Mike never talks, never talks, never talks. If you
meet him, it's months before he says a word to
you now because he doesn't like you. He doesn't talk.
And he came out and was just opening shows for
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me doing stand up, and people were floored, not that
he was telling jokes, but that he spoke at all.
That's what it sounds like when you're talking about your
friends or.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
They were like, actually, that's amazing, that's like that's the
perfect like you know, it's a good way to be,
like no knows that even talking and then all of
a sudden you're like a comedian.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
But that's what your friends had to be thinking about
you then, right, if you're moving to LA to do music.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, but the thing is I was posting like that
was the weird through line where everyone was like, it's
not the craziest thing because I was posting so much,
like I truly was posting five to ten times a day,
every single day. So they were like, okay, clearly like
you really want to do this. But I just think
they had never seen it in person, so it was
like weird, you know what I mean. They were like,
this is just we didn't even.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
When you moved to Los Angeles? How does it work there? Writing?
I know how it works here? How did it work there?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
It's I would say, it's like not so, I mean,
maybe it's more I guess I've okay, I've always felt
that in LA it's like more like strict, Like I
always felt like it was more like lax here, like
people write with their friends out here A lot I
feel like is the culture, like you write with your
(17:55):
like buddies and you start at like eleven. But I
guess I think that people think maybe it's more like
a you know, like a regimented out here. But I
don't know, like I think I haven't done a session
in a really long time. Like I write pretty much
with my friend Grace. I do like everything with her,
but I don't remember. Like in LA, I think it's
just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
This is my interpretation of what happens in Nashville versus La.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Okay, yeah, give me, give me your take.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
In Nashville, I know how it works. Most rights are
in a random room, mostly with some people that are
in your camp, if you're cool enough or successful enough
to have a camp. Otherwise, I give a publishing deal.
A publisher sets you up and you're just kind of
bouncing around and you write from ten to three or
four pm, and then maybe you come back and you
meet again if you're not finished, and you but it's
(18:47):
ten to four for the most part, and it's very
much business. You go in, you write your song, and
then you get out and you get out.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Okay, So it's pretty similar like that in LA.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
In LA, my feeling, and I'm probably wrong on this,
is that people are like writing at night and they're
starting and they're starting with melody first.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Oh oh, I start with Mighty first. Okay, I start
with Mundy first, for sure.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
I think here a lot of times, and it's becoming
more a little more like that, but it's not all
a lot of times it's concept first, you know, some
some lyrics first and then we'll build the melody. Or
from my friends that ride in LA always felt like
when they would talk about it would be random hours
and melody first and we'll figure out everything else after that.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I mean that is true, but there's a yeah, we
start at one pm. Everything's at one. You guys are eleven.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Oh, I've surprised to that early. But you can like
have lunch and like some.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, there's like it's like there's hours of talking. That's
actually the difference in LA. I feel like in a
session you start at one, but you're talking and like
hanging out for like two hours, so you're not even
starting until like you know two or three.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Three, we're here. You got to get out by four,
so right, And there's the.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
There's a better balance out here, like people have family.
I feel like in LA, like you know, there's less
of like I'm going to go home and be with
my kids or be with whoever I'm married to or
dating or whatever. It is, like there's a nice work
life balance. I think out here that maybe LA doesn't have,
like if you don't finish your song four five pm,
like you'll be there probably until like nine, or whenever
you finish.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Here you go home. Here, you go home and you'll
revisit it, or one person you finish it or die
visit it will just or it just dies. And someone
else uses that concept later and then you go, wait, no,
that's our song that we wrote that you just recycled
into that, And they're.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Like, okay, we'll give you two percent, Like, but that's something.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Else here here, we don't really do two percent five percent.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I know, yeah, if there's three people, it's thirty three.
But that's how I've always done it. I think that
that's like a good way to go about it in LA.
I also think that people I've surrounded myself with are
like that. I like, there's not so much of the
nitty gritty of like, okay, how much did you write?
Like if you didn't write so much, like you'll get
you know what I mean, it's more even.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Yeah, that was always odd to me and not wrong,
but odd to me. And I guess both ways are
odd because again, I have friends that have sat in
rooms and they will say they didn't contribute much that
day because either they weren't feeling it, they weren't feeling good.
But yet they get thirty three percent of the song
if it's a three person right, but in LA I
have friends like man, I kind of killed it, not
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only got five percent.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I know, it is weird, it's a backwards but it's
so hard, Like how do you even like I know,
because sometimes and this is what's crazy about it, Like
sometimes an energy alone, even if you didn't say anything,
is like the reason why the song was good, you
know what I mean, Like if you were just if
you came in to writing session and you and I
were writing together and it was just us two, but
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like you didn't say anything, but your vibe like made
me super inspired, like.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
You know, and that's why it's evenly split here for
the most right, is I think vibe presence being in
the room matters an equal amount. Like we've all committed
that whatever happens in this room, we all own it
equal share.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Of, right, whatever we all did this day like contributed
to wherever it ended up.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
So I'm kind of with that really.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
I mean, like yeah, I mean I get I think
like it's hard, Like I think for me, like I
really stopped writing, like I really haven't done a session
in such a long time because I think I got
lucky and I found like my friend happened to be
my favorite co writer of all time, so like that
just is easy. Like I bring her into things and
you know, like I want her to be So it's
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just it's different. I think it depends on your relationship
with who you're writing with, and like if it's your
best friends that you're writing with, you're like, I want
to give you an equals, you know what I mean.
It's like I'm not going to screw you over on
this song.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Who's the friend?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Her name is Grace Anger?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
And was she your friend before you guys started writing?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, we didn't write for like the first year of
our friendship.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Where'd you meet her?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
I moved into her house in La.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Random as in she needed a roommate and you didn't
know each other or had that work out?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Random? Because I when I met my publisher and he
was like, you guys to go to La, I was like,
I don't know anybody in La, So like am I
gonna like, like who am I going to live with?
And he was like, I have this writer signed to me,
who's the best. And he has this house that he
like grew up in. It was like in his family
and he had six girls living in the house and
him and I just asked him, like if I could
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just sleep in his extra room for like a few months.
And she was my direct roommate, and so he just
became how.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Big was this house?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Well, there was like two it was like I don't know,
it was like separated. It was like one house and
then another house, but they were on the same land.
And like, so you got lucky that she was cool.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I got so lucky, and then you got lucky she
was cool and talented.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yes, I like I hit the jackpop because I and
also like she's just, yeah, the best person I've ever met.
So I'm like, wow, it's great that we also like
to write together. Like what are the odds of that happening.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
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Speaker 1 (24:04):
I had a roommate once. I didn't want to eat
her food. I didn't know where. It was a random
type situation. When I moved to Austin and I was starving.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
You didn't want to eat her food.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I don't want to eat he food like when you
would cook. Well, I just didn't want to eat her
like I got she bought it. It was her food.
I get it. There are rules. And I had one
piece of ham out of her package of ham.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Oh you don't want to eat her food? Food in
the fridge?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah it wasn't. And I had a piece
of her ham. I was starving, and I wrote a
note and I said, hey, minus one piece of ham.
Sorry about that. She built? She build me for like
a dollar eighteen for the one piece of hand one
piece of ham. Yeah, that's a pot energy her and
I did you good friends?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
I would assume we don't want any songs together.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
She's like taleling up in her head when you like, yeah,
do anything.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I'm starving. I just wanted one one piece of ham,
and I got billed for the one piece of ham.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
That's a bad roommate.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, I mean she should be looking out for you,
Like did you ever live in the dorm? Did I
ever live in a dorm?
Speaker 1 (25:02):
And two lane?
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah? For two years?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Do they make you live in the dorm? Your freshman year. Yeah,
how'd you like that?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I loved it.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I loved it too. I love loving the dorm too.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
But I love being around people like I like I
The best thing ever is that, like you just everybody's
around you, Like you can just go upstairs and there's
like five your friends going downstairs, five of your friends.
Your roommate's your friend.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Like I still have a couple of friends from living
in the dorm. The best thing about it for me
was I don't make friends easily. And I was also
working all the time and going to school, so I
don't think I would have made friends, but like you said,
there's so many people there it's hard not to. And yeah,
I always advise everybody live in the dorm your freshman year.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Definitely it was.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
It was massive for me because I don't I don't
make friends easy. I'm assuming you do. You're pretty outgoing.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I'm I'm pretty outgoing, but I but it is like
the concept of and I remember how it felt to
be a freshman and show up and be like, oh
my god, I have to like start over, Like I
feel like growing up I had the same friends that
like I've you know what I mean, I don't remember
making those friends because they were just always my friends.
But then freshman year of college, you're like, wow, I
have to like introduce myself to these people and like
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see if we get along, and like it's a whole
other thing. But I don't know, I do feel like
I'm pretty I'm pretty outgoing.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Did you feel like you had the opportunity to start over,
like be something that you weren't known for. Was that exciting?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yes? Yes, Oh my god. I had zero confidence in
high school, like negative confidence. So I think when I
got to college, I was like, no one knows anything
about who I was in high school anything ever, So
I was just like, Wow, I get to like start over,
and you know, maybe y'all like get a boyfriend. I
don't know, why did you choose to inspiring? I the
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public health program was really great there, and I visited
like a family friend of mine went there and I
visited her when she was a sophomore, I think, and
I just fell in love with the school. I loved
everything about it. I loved, first of all, like the weather.
People will obviously say that it's like so insufferably hot,
but obviously Chicago is like the opposite so I was like,
this is great. Yeah, food it is. It is really hot.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
It is really hot. I feel like if I lived
in New Orleans my freshman year, would it had been
the freshman fifteen? It had been the freshman fifty five
because the food boy, Yeah, because the freshman fifty five. Yeah,
the food there, it's great, it's so good, but it's
so rich. Do you have like an appreciation now for
a Cajun food just because you lived there for four years?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I do. I'm like really unfortunately picky, Like I'm a
really picky eater, and it's so lame and it like
has been lame forever and I want to get over it,
but I can't. Like, but I do really I appreciate it,
and like we would go to JazzFest. I went to
Jasfest like my senior and junior year. And the food.
Have you been to Jasica? It's one of the best.
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It is, it really is. It's like the energy there
is amazing, but the food is so good and I
you know, the mac and che Well, have you ever
been to a crawfish boil?
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I'm from Arkansas, Yes, I mean a lot, yeah, a lot.
Love bit here's the thing I don't like getting my
hands dirty. You don't, not really, and I've probably done
it twenty times. But you know, like they dump them out, yes, and.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
There's the corner, yes, yes, I die from that. I
love those.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
You can only do this so many times, and it's
a lot of work for not a lot of meat.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I think it's like, but it tastes so good. It
tastes so good, and it like there's something so like
I don't know, it's like a full activity.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I'm not trying to have an activity. Eat no, no,
And then it stays there in your nails, I know,
but then.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I would get really gross about it, to be honest,
Like we had crawfish boils all the time, because like
two Lane loves to celebrate, I mean, New Orleans love
to celebrate anything, Like there's holiday every week, parade every week.
It's the best place on the planet. They're celebrating all
the time. And like we were just eating crawfish and
having crawfish boils like every single month, multiple times a month,
and I like truly would just be sitting on the
(28:56):
ground like really going at it, and I did not
get a fuck. I don't know. If I'm kind, you.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Can say that, but it's just it's just so much
work for so little meat, but.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
You can eat so much of it. You could sit
there for hours, but you know what I.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Mean, kind of work you gotta do to eat for hours.
It's just constant, and I don't they don't, Mike, So
to me, I'm gonna pass. Now you can pass again,
probably twenty thirty. Crawfish boils in my life a lot,
but it's like even the eating like a crab. It's good,
(29:31):
but it takes a freaking ever you gotta.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I know, but I'm less enticed by that. I would
way or rather, I don't know. There's something about and
maybe it's like where I was happy, Like maybe it
was just the energy of like New Orleans and eating
them and like having a crawfish boil there. I don't know,
but like I could never be turned away from it.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Halfway through. I'd see corn and potatoes, but the corn
is fire. It's great, yeah, because it has all the
flavor from exactly. Yeah, that's what I would do. I
would go like this sucks, I'm just gonna eat corn
and potatoes.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Okay, well maybe we need to we need to go
and like just try maybe you try again, just once more.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
No, No, I'm good, I got I got my fill. It's
it's just too much more enough meat.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
What advice would you give someone when they moved to
a city and don't know anybody?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
What advice would I give someone like the way that
I moved to LA and didn't or is it or
is it college? Is it college or is it just
a SI?
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Well it could be both because you did it twice,
I've done it before, and it's really it feels foreign
and even the news channels are weird. Everything's weird about it, everything,
and you think I'm never going to fit in here,
But I think I grew so much from doing that.
It's just dumping in a bucket of water. And you so, like,
what did you learn from moving somewhere and not knowing
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anyone either time?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I I mean I think like as I mean, I've
been relatively outgoing for my whole life, But I do
think that like moving to a new city and not
knowing anybody allow you to like be different, like not
different versions of yourself, but like figure out like who
you are in a completely different social setting and like
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what I don't know, Like that's how I felt when
I when I got to Tulane, I was like, wow,
I haven't made a new friend so long, Like this
is such a different experience I'm in I'm so like
not so far from home, but like, you know, it
just everything felt so different. But I think, like I
don't know, it just gave me. It was different because
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I really felt like I wanted to reinvent myself, Like
I wanted to be a more confident version of myself.
I wanted to be like boys did not think I
was cute for the first eighteen years of my life,
Like truly I was not cute. And so I think
when I got Tulane, I was just like I want to, like,
you know, kiss all these moies. I don't know it
(31:50):
just but I did it. It wasn't even that I
just I don't know, like I think. I think the
biggest thing is just like finding out who you are
in different settings and like going out of your comfort
zone to just like figure that out. Whatever that is,
like joining a club or getting involved with like whatever's
going on in the community, whether it be in LA
or when I was in college or whatever. Like just
(32:10):
involving yourself in things.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
To me, when I would move somewhere. Yeah, I never
had that where I was kissing all the boys. But
whenever I would move somewhere and I didn't know anybody,
it did two things for me. One, it allowed me
to shed whatever light skin that I didn't want to
have to keep carrying with me freely because nobody knew
of that. So, like you said, you can reinvent yourself.
(32:33):
And it was never a full reinvention for me, but
I got like lose a couple of things that maybe
I didn't like to be known for. The Other thing
was it just showed me how freaking strong.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I was totally like, you can do that, ye, because it's.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Very hard, it's very scary. But I think doing that
kind of I proved to myself that it could be
done and I could do like really almost anything. I
was lifting in a city where I knew nobody, not
one single person, and I built a whole community in
life from scratch. Yeah, it's crazy, it's crazy. It is
crazy not really being born there, because like I said,
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we're born somewhere, we have a community built on top
of us.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Because well it's like your parents' friends kids, it's like
it's yeah, it's totally different.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
What do you think about just La in general?
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I have mixed feelings about La in general, because I
love my friends in LA and I feel so lucky
to have like been thrown into like a pool with
them because I moved into their house. But like I think,
I driving in LA is incredibly frustrating thumbs down, And like,
you know, I don't think that there's that much of
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a community in LA, which has been the thing for
me where I every time I come here, there's so
much more of a community, like people, you run into
people when you go out, or like you know what
people are doing, even if you don't, like you know
what I mean. It's more like it just feels like
a smaller town, whereas in LA, like you could not
run into somebody that lives in the same part of town,
and as you once like you may never see them
(34:03):
unless you're like texting or whatever. It is. So there's
just not so much of a community, which is hard
for me because like where I grew up, there's like
so much a community, Like there's one like the coffee
shop it's called hometown in my town, and like you
go there and you run into everybody that you've like
ever known, So it's like, that's so nice. I miss that.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
I would spend a month or weeks at a time,
depending on what show I was shooting. Once we stayed,
we were there for three months, so I never had
a real community there. So I missed a good part
of it. Because my wife, she went back to grad
school and she moved to LA and she had a
really good group of friends, so she loved it. I
only got the bad part of the industry, yuck, where
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everybody's just like trying to grab the thing and move.
So I didn't get the good I got the car
sick and everything taking forever to get to and just
like the industry. And if that's all you know, I
I don't think your relationship with LA is great.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
No, definitely not, definitely not. What part of l were
you in.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
We were in Studio City for a while. We lived
in Glendale for a while. I love Glendale and if
we were shooting because I was on American Idol for
four years and so we would just stay downtown like
in Hollywood. I don't know. I almost got stabbed at lunch.
I feel like I was just dodging needles and knives
walking down the street. Yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
It's definitely better. There's better mines here. It's better here,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
I just didn't get the good part of it. I'm
not even trashing it as a whole because my wife
lived there and loved it because she found her friends.
I just wondered for you, like, if you have people, yeah,
if you have your community.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
It's the people anywhere, Like I think that's anywhere. Like
you if you find people that you love and want
to do everything with, no matter what city you're in,
I think it makes any city tolerable.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
You know, when you're writing songs, especially early on, did
you think you just wanted to be a songwriter or
did you think you're going to write songs for you
and be an artist.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I wanted to be a songwriter for other people.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
How did you know that was a real job Because.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
I found out it was a real job my junior year,
because when I got reached out to by this publisher,
Like when we were talking, he was like, you can write,
because I was like, there's no way I'm an artist,
but the way I was posting it presented to be
that I wanted to be an artist, and he was like,
you don't have to do that, Like there's another path,
Like you can write for other people and you never
have to, like, you know, be the face of these songs.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
And that was appealing to you.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Are you kidding? Is my dream? I was like, let's go.
I was like I can. And also when I realized,
like I didn't know that a lot of the songs
I loved growing up were written by other people, So
that was like, you know, pivotal. I was like, what
are you talking about? Like that Tim McGraw is not
writing these songs or whatever. It was so like when
I found out the power behind that and those people
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and what they were able to do, like I wanted
to be a part of that.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
So when you moved to Los Angeles, was it to
be a writer or was it to be a writer artist?
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Then to be a writer?
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Really?
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:57):
When did it happen? Where you trained? Transition too? I
want to be a writer, but now I want to
perform the songs I'm writing.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
It was well, okay. The joke of the situation was
like my first sessions that I was in Nashville for
when I wanted to be a songwriter, I was like
writing these songs, but these sessions like weren't pointed at
like Okay, we're going to write for this specific artist.
We were just going in being like let's write, but
like it was not for me, Like we were just
(37:23):
like let's write anything. And so but I would go
home and like post those songs on TikTok, and I
think people were just like, do you know, like what
being a song? Like you know what I mean? They
were like you're not supposed to do that. You're not
even allowed to do that. They were like this is
actually the opposite of like what today's point was. And
I was just like, well, what does anything matter? You know,
I didn't know there were rules. I didn't know that.
(37:45):
That was like people probably left those sessions being like
we don't want to write with her again, like what
is she doing? But but yeah, it was like quickly
after I got LA where I was like, I actually
think I want to like sing these songs that I'm writing.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
The Bobby Cat. We'll be right back. This is the
Bobby Cast.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Did you want to sing one because you now wanted
to sing or because you wrote them and felt like
you could actually distribute the message, But you know why,
I felt.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Like, well it was okay, so one of the songs
that I'd written in Nashville or no, it wasn't in Nashville.
Maybe it was in LA. But then I went back
to I don't really know. There was like I was
in La, I was in Nashville. There was like two
trips that happened over the summer before I ended up
meeting my now publisher, But so I don't know what
city it wasn't. But I wrote this song called kiss
Me that wasn't going to be for me, but then
I posted on my TikTok and then it did well.
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So that I think was the moment where I was like, well,
am I going to give this song to somebody else now?
Like that it's doing that, It's like people are liking
the song and like I'm singing the songs, so like
maybe I should keep the song. And that's really how
it just it just like happened, like I was like, Okay,
I'm going to keep these songs, like maybe I like
I want to post, and everyone was always saying to
me like that's half the battle, like it's hard, you know,
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to put yourself out there on that way alone. So
I was like I want to do that. So I
might as well just keep these songs.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Was that the first video that really hit for you?
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Yeah, that was the first one.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
And how viral did it go?
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Probably like three hundred thousand views? Like not so so viral,
But I was really viral for my accents.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Before What do you mean your accents?
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I was viral for doing like a French accent when
I was like a freshman in college, British.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Accent, so as when I was young, I would like
fake I was from other countries a waffle house to
see if I could fool them, But I never really
put it on. And what are you?
Speaker 2 (39:45):
What are your accents?
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Like?
Speaker 2 (39:46):
What do you right?
Speaker 1 (39:46):
I can kill a Russian? You think? Do you talk
to me? I come from Russia where we have clevery night, So.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
It's not great, but it's enough, right, I just do
the guy from Rocky Rocky for I love it so
and I would just see if I could convince them
that I was actually Uh.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
They probably didn't care.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
They were like whatever this is?
Speaker 1 (40:06):
They just get in his waffle some other cover what
you just give the guy's waffle.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
And get the Russian get in there?
Speaker 1 (40:14):
What's your French accent?
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Do you want to do it?
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Oh but what if it's bad now, like it could
be rusted.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
So it's been a while huh No.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
I actually I think I did it the other day
and get it right. Okay. It's like when you like
took in the French accent, like there's a lot of
like clasp and like I don't know, I don't know.
That's the gist of it though.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
So that was the embarrassment thing part of the act
there or yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Like I would post like, yeah, it was part of it.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
So you would act French.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
I would act French the whole clip.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
You wouldn't come out of character. No, so they would
think you were a French girl.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Yes. The comments were like she's like, she's not French,
she's British, Like look at two videos before and then
some people were like, no, that accent's fake, she is French.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
What inspired you to do those videos?
Speaker 2 (40:59):
I don't know. Oh I just started doing them. I
don't know what the thought was.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
What other accent you got in there?
Speaker 2 (41:05):
There was a British accent that was not bad, but
that one's rusty Australian, like I could do like an
Australian accent, like you can just like fall into the
Australian accent. Yeah, let's go No, that was the Australian accent.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
It's just did it Australian as.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
If you can you can hear the Australian. I mean,
you can hear the Australian accent, but it's subtle, which
is why I think maybe people believed it.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Have you ever been to France?
Speaker 2 (41:31):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
I went to Paris and I tried to speak French
and they said, don't do that, we know English.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I tried, do you have any do you have anything?
Speaker 1 (41:41):
I mean, I was like any French?
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Uh uh, Bobby, But I would do a lot of
like uh, I studied French in college, but I never
went to France. Because I studied French, we had to
take a four language.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
It was loose, so you loosely studied.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
It was the only sea I ever got in my
entire schoolastic career.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
It's such a hard it honestly is so hard. Like
I tried to do a lingo French for a second
impossible language to learn.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
I had a friend that was due a lingoing Mandarin.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Oh dude, don't even I that is like god.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
I struggled with French, and all my friends, at least
for a long part of my life were Hispanic or Mexicans,
so I know when they're talking about me and Spanish bad,
but I don't do it well. So like, I know,
I can hear some Spanish. I can speak like seven
French words, and I tried it and it was so bad.
When I was in Paris, they said, dude, we got you.
We know English stop and then others. Yeah, other than that,
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like I got. I went to Japan and I did uhmoshi,
I know like two things.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (42:51):
I think that means hello. I don't remember anymore, Mike,
we do what mos means? I might just know that
from Full House though too.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
You know, I did, like but I never was like
an avid watcher of it, were.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
You, Mooshi? I think Michelle Tanner had I think Michelle
Tanner had a uh somebody that she was talking to
because she just dialed a number by accident, and they
were calling each other back and forth, and they were
wondering why Michelle the baby would always say things in
Japanese like mos moshi, and they were like, how does
she know Japanese? And it turns out it was like
somebody that she was calling in Japan.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Damn, I know, and that's how you learned. So that's
like educational, I think.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
So what do you got, Mike, Yeah, Moshi Moshi is hello, Moshimoshi.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Yeah, that's my language.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Damn, I know.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
You know, and now you know.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
And now I know I'm going to use that. I'm
going to say that.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Boston it's I mean, it's killing. I saw it first
from Gary Levox. Yes, who's a friend of mine. So
if following I love him and I love him. I
don't know him.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
I actually don't know him. I've never met him, but
like you, I saw him obviously singing Boston on and
I was like, this is epic. Like I was singing
Blessed the Broken Road all the time.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
It was on a boat, yeah, and he was singing
the song and I was like, that's a good song.
I didn't know what he was singing. I thought he
may have been singing like a song that he was doing,
and then I heard a couple of places and I
was like, oh, that song's really good. You never right,
Garry of the Box No, because that's how I discovered yours.
I wonder if I FaceTime him. Let me just see
if he knows. Oh my god, let me just see
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if he's even that'd be funny. Though if he did answer,
let's see.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
I'm scared. I love that you thought it was his
song though he can have it.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
The phone is so close to my face right now
on FaceTime, and if he can, you hear that ring
of Mike.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
But if he doesn't answer, he's.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Not gonna answer. Now he's drunk in a tree stand.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I'll leave him one of those Oh my god, one
of the messages.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Yeah, video messages. Yeah, three times is gonna ring. Okay,
let's record video. Let make sure I look good here,
Hey body, Bobby here, was just talking about you because
I was talking about the first time that ever heard
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Stella Lefty's song Boston was you, I think, singing it
on your boat. And I was asking her, do you
know she's French by the way she's doing it French?
I was asking her if she or just telling her
that story, and she was like, I've never met gear
of the Box. So anyway, there's there's Stella.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah, so nice to meet you over the FaceTime message
and so that's all.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
That's all we were hoping you would answer, okay, bye.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
He's gonna be like what He's gonna watch that later
and be like what's happening?
Speaker 1 (45:49):
You know he went his life once you get really
rich and he's really rich, Like I don't even think
things are weird anymore ever, it's just everything. Just I
think he like choppers out to deer hunt, Like that's
how rich he is.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
He choppers out to deer hunt.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Yeah, like choppers out Like wow, okay, yeah that's the
all right, Well, so then.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
He's gonna take that lightly.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Yeah, he'll take it very I'll take it very lately, casual.
That song? Did it blow up on your TikTok virally Boston? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Is that where that song started to?
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Oh yeah? Who every song for me has started?
Speaker 1 (46:24):
Who did you write that one with?
Speaker 2 (46:26):
I wrote that. I wrote the chorus that alone when
I was out here, and then I brought it to
Grace and Joe, who's like my my producer in Nashville,
and then we finished it together.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
And did you sing just a chorus of it on TikTok?
You finished the whole song? Chorst No, Like.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
On TikTok, the only thing I sang was like the
first half of the chorus, so nothing else existed. So
by the time the video was doing well, I was like, fuck,
there's no song.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
You have success on an incomplete song.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Yes, on like one line of a song, And I
was like, there's literally no song. And I was like,
I don't even know what the song is gonna like.
I didn't even have an idea of what this verse,
like the verse was gonna sound like.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Was it just kind of a throwaway when you wrote
because it was so limited? So did you just go
I'm just gonna do this, put it up for something
to post, or did you think I'm gonna do this
and if it works, I'll continue to grow it.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
No, I wasn't even thinking about I was honestly like
I just had a second to kill before I was
going on a date and I was like in Nashville
to be writing, and I hadn't written anything that day,
and so I was like feeling like I needed to
be more productive, and so I was like, I'll just
sit at the piano and just see like whatever comes out,
and then like go on the date and like, you know,
do whatever else tomorrow. Like I'm sure I had like
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a session or whatever it was, but I So I
wasn't thinking about it, like I wasn't thinking about anything.
I really just posted the song because I was just
in this phase where I was just posting all the time,
which is, I guess the phase I'm always in posting
all the time.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Do you do that now? Still? Do you have time
to do that now?
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (47:56):
I post all the time, even as busy as it is.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Is it weird to kill it? Now? What do you
mean you're just killing You're killing it, you're selling to
kill it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Oh I was like kill the song. I was like
to get rid of songs? No it is? Is it weird?
Speaker 1 (48:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Yeah, it's weird. It's definitely weird. But I really don't
now now there's like not so much time to even
like think about that, you know. I'm more just like
I want to like maintain what I had going on before,
like the way that I was writing all the time,
Like I want to just I want to keep that.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
When you come to town, are you normally jam packedause
that you don't live here and you're just getting you
got to do like eleven things?
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Now has today been a pack day?
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (48:38):
Walk me through it?
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Okay, what did we do?
Speaker 1 (48:41):
Now that's how you know it's packed. What did we do?
Speaker 2 (48:43):
We It's honestly, it's a lot. It's it's nice like
I we go into the we like I've been meeting
a bunch of radio Like I've been going to a
bunch of radio stations, which is really nice. Like I
get to meet all these people or see people that
I've met, like during CMA Fest to see them again.
But we did a CMA event for CMA Edu, yeah Cmaduma.
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But it was awesome, Like there was fifty students there,
so I sang for them, which was truly terrifying. Singing
for people that are close in age to you is
like one of the scariest things in the world because well,
it's just like I don't know, like none of us
know how to act right now. I don't know how
to act. And I know that you don't know how
to act, like you know what I mean, because they're
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not gonna like they don't they're not singing back the words.
And if they are singing back the words, it's like shy,
and then I feel shy because you know, I'm like,
oh my god.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
Yeah, that's shy. On shy crime that usually on crime
usually not good for like performance, no.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
No, but especially like fifty you know, twenty something year olds.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
So then how do you get through that? Do you
fake it at first and then it catches up to you.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Meaning yeah, yeah, I definitely but the good like I
really I think with these songs, like I truly love
these songs, so I don't feel like when I'm singing them,
like I wave of happiness doesn't come over me naturally.
So then I do end up feeling better, but there's
definitely a period where I'm like, oh my god, let's.
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Speaker 1 (50:21):
Do you enjoy performing now? I do, like you found it,
it feels it.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
I do enjoy it, But like I am so nervous
every time before I get on stage in any setting,
like freaking out, and I'm like, I'm not I can't
do it. I can't get on the stage.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
Whenever people come in a lot of times they bring
in albums that mean a lot to them. And if
you don't mind picking this one up here that you
brought in, I'd love for you to tell me why
you pick this and what it is and show the
camera here. Well, no, you show show. I tell her
everybody watching on Netflix show show them the album. Yeah yeah,
and so talk show tell me what it is and
why that album is it?
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Okay, this is really thought out because I am a
huge Lucombs man and I've been a hugely this is
this is for you. This one's for you. Oh, this
is for you. This one's for you.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
You're who's on first in me right now? I don't
what what this is for me? This is for me. No,
I don't know what you just said. I don't speak
my mumble, but you just said this is for you.
But this is for you.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
No, this is for you. But this one's for you.
The album is called this One's for you.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
Okay, now we're there. Now we're there, go ahead. So
this one's for you the album. You actually got that
for me? That is so nice. Okay, now why did you?
Speaker 2 (51:30):
This is for you? This one's for you? I okay.
So I'm a huge lu Combs fan, and you know,
when I was debating on like what album, I felt
like had the biggest weight and like it was a
no skip album you know, in my life. The first
thought was like okay, the first Tailor Swift album had
a huge impact in my life, Like those were the
first songs I ever learned how to play, Like that's
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what made me fall in love with music. But then
when I discovered Luke Combs when I was a freshman
in high school, like my whole every thing was changed.
Like I only listened to this album, every single song
on this album, probably every single day for four years
driving to school. And they are some of the best
songs that have ever been written. So I felt like,
maybe you wouldn't want to drive.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
I've not heard of that guy, so tell me more.
What's his name?
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Lucas What Lucas Combs? Lucas Lucas Combs. Yeah, he's really
nat Have you met Luke? No, I would not be
cool about meeting him.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
You would because he's so nice.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
No, you don't understand though, like she got the best
of me. Would be screened like these songs, Like I
don't like my high school experience doesn't exist without this
album truly, So I wouldn't be cool. There would be
zero chill. Maybe I'd cry about it.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
Who have you met here?
Speaker 2 (52:43):
Lane Wilson?
Speaker 1 (52:44):
So nice?
Speaker 2 (52:45):
So nice?
Speaker 1 (52:46):
I can tell you a story about Lanny please whenever. Way,
this is six or seven years ago. Laney was just
dancing in a video and you remember the song going
to do the two yeah course, and so that song
was kind of doing its thing, and I was like,
I'm gonna learn the dance and do a video for
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it and so, but Lanny wasn't an artist that had
any music out. She was just doing the dance with him.
And so I text Lane and I was I was like, hey,
will you teach me how to do this dance and
you could be in the video. And she's like, yeah,
come over. So she came over and taught me how
to do that. There's nothing she was that Laney Wilson.
She was just Laney who was in the video doing
the dance. And she came over and I said, you
(53:27):
want to you can get in the video. She goes,
nobody wants me in this video, Like you just do
it and get your views. I don't want to ruin it.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Everybody wants you in this video.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
What But that was just like she was just like
normal and nice and she's awesome.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
She's awesome. Yes, she's like the kindest, warmest person on
the planet. You had a good experience with her the best,
like truly the best, because I'm I got I've like
seen her twice because I saw her during CMA Fest,
which and she's also like the coolest looking, like she
just walks in the room and you're just like, oh
my god, like you are so cool. What the fuck?
I keep swearing, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
Yeah, there aren't cops outside.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
You're good, I know, but I feel bad like you're not.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
It's just me doing it, that's true, but I.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Know like I'm alone in it. I'm done doing it.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
It feel like you're trying to give me new drugs,
Like I just to take it. I don't want to
do this alone.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
I don't want to be alone. We also have you
met Kelsey Ballerini. He was so sweet and awesome. Who
else I met? M Dan and Shay I love them.
We got to sing together doing c A Fest, which
was awesome.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Did they came out and did your song right? No?
Speaker 2 (54:31):
We sing Tequila's we sing their song which was I.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
Saw them come out with you? Was it at CMA
Fest like it was at the Billboard.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
It was like there was a Billboard like show and
it was. It was awesome.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
They're really good Shake Shake and sing, it's wild.
Speaker 2 (54:46):
He's pitch, he's perfect pitch.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
It's and they are together because they are like in
my class, meaning we came to town at the same time.
This town's like that, Like whoever you came to town
with you in your grade, it's like that. Yeah, and
so known them forever and they are perfect together because
dan Is O. C d Is a great producer. It
wakes up exactly on time, goes to bed on time,
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and then shay oh, exact opposite.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
But yeah, like you need fund, you need that.
Speaker 1 (55:14):
They found their other anybody else you met the school.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Vincent?
Speaker 1 (55:20):
You know, I really like him. I don't know if
you told him you were coming.
Speaker 2 (55:25):
To I did. I really he likes you too.
Speaker 1 (55:27):
Yeah, and I like it. I don't like a lot
of I don't dislike a lot of people's music. But
I'm I just live in it. I'm jaded.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
It's just do you hate my music?
Speaker 1 (55:37):
No? I don't know. Why would I? No, I don't know.
It's hard to get it's hard to get in this room.
And I like your music. And so I was like, hey,
when she's in town, like I will, I don't usually
do this this late?
Speaker 2 (55:48):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (55:49):
No, I mean no, I'm a fan. All that to say,
I'm a fan. So no, I do like your music,
and yeah, you're you mentioned your boyfriend. I was just
gonna not bring I'm sure that gets brought up everywhere,
so wasn't.
Speaker 2 (56:00):
But I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
But I love him. He's and I love his music
the best, truly like that. His music is my vibe.
Do you like John Mayer like my favorite arts of
all time?
Speaker 2 (56:13):
Right? And you like Kasey Musgraves like these are.
Speaker 1 (56:17):
Like my people like Counting Crows.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
Oh, I love Counting Crows.
Speaker 1 (56:23):
No, you don't.
Speaker 2 (56:24):
I do lit songs.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
You don't know accounting put up a.
Speaker 2 (56:27):
Parking lot, don't it? Always see the girls?
Speaker 1 (56:33):
Yeah, that's what you're saying. That's not what it's called.
I know what it's called.
Speaker 2 (56:39):
It is called hold on a second. Wait? Was that
originally Joni Mitchell song?
Speaker 1 (56:44):
Okay, I give you credit back? You just want no.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
No, I know that it's originally. I know that it's
a cover, but that was a huge thing like Rascal
Flats Blessed Spoken Roads also a cover.
Speaker 1 (56:53):
If that's true, that's true. You just taught me something.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
It's true, and I found out like a month ago.
It's true.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
So Big Yellow Tax is a song and it's Jonny
Mitchell song. But you knew that, so I'm not even
to give you a crap about that.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
Do you love Johnny Mitchell?
Speaker 1 (57:06):
Do you ever see her play like the sittart that thinks.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
When she sings California? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (57:11):
You ever see Amanda Syfree do that on Jimmy Fallon?
Speaker 2 (57:14):
Yes, that was like the most viral thing in the world.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
I was like, what's happening right now that I.
Speaker 2 (57:17):
Wanted that to come out? I wish you would have
released that.
Speaker 1 (57:19):
I met her once. Really, she was really nice.
Speaker 2 (57:22):
She seems really nice.
Speaker 1 (57:23):
You never know about actors though, Sometimes it's just the roles.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
I know, like, how can you tell because they right,
Like that's a confusing thing to like date. I feel
like to date an actor like that might be scary,
like they can lie.
Speaker 1 (57:36):
That's committing to the role, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (57:38):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (57:38):
Yeah, she was really nice though. I bet anyway, your
your your boyfriend is Vinson? Yeah, and he's you can say, yeah,
I really like him. I really like his music. His
music is my vibe as well. So not only is
he really talented, but like I would like I listened
to that music whenever I'm just like by myself. How'd
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you guys meet he?
Speaker 2 (58:02):
DM me on Instagram?
Speaker 1 (58:03):
Let's do it. Let's do one hundred and twenty seconds
of us talking about this because I was not gonna
make this about this, but you open the door. Let's
do open the door one hundred and twenty seconds. Ready, Okay, yeah,
I'm ready, starts timer. How'd you meet him?
Speaker 2 (58:14):
I met him via DM DM me?
Speaker 1 (58:16):
What was his DM?
Speaker 2 (58:17):
He said he liked thinking about you when I was
teasing it, so he sent me the song.
Speaker 1 (58:21):
Did he really like that song? Or was he just
trying to use that to get to you?
Speaker 2 (58:24):
He says, he really liked the song, But what do
you believe? Well, I actually he was in a really
weird I don't think he was like looking for love.
I don't think that he.
Speaker 1 (58:35):
Was a classic line no way.
Speaker 2 (58:37):
Yeah, he wasn't looking hard to get Yeah yeah, no,
but that's what he said. So, you know, I don't
know first date. Oh what was it? Oh my god,
I don't know the name of the restaurant. But we
went to go eat steak here? Yes?
Speaker 1 (58:48):
Has does he fly out to California?
Speaker 2 (58:49):
Yeah, he's in La a lot.
Speaker 1 (58:51):
Do you come here a lot to see him? How
long he has been dating?
Speaker 3 (58:54):
Like?
Speaker 2 (58:54):
Six months? Five months?
Speaker 1 (58:55):
What's your favorite song of his?
Speaker 2 (58:57):
Ooh, Speak of the Devil?
Speaker 1 (58:59):
Does he have any songs about you?
Speaker 2 (59:01):
No?
Speaker 1 (59:03):
Does that hurt your feelings?
Speaker 2 (59:04):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (59:09):
Okay, that's enough. That's enough on him. That's a good one.
Good run there. This is fun. I didn't know what.
I didn't know what to expect with you. Honestly, really,
I didn't know you would. Okay, do you want to
play the game?
Speaker 2 (59:19):
Yeah? What did you think?
Speaker 1 (59:21):
Honest game? Or no?
Speaker 2 (59:21):
Yeah, I want honest game. I don't need to lie
to me. Then I then you'd be an actor.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
You just never know.
Speaker 2 (59:28):
You thought it was gonna suck.
Speaker 1 (59:30):
No, I just didn't know if you were going to suck.
There's a difference.
Speaker 2 (59:34):
But do you think I look like I suck? No?
Speaker 1 (59:36):
But and I'm going to tell you why I thought
you might suck, even though you look like you didn't suck,
because you have just from what I've seen of you,
you seem very approachable and likable, And it might be
I didn't. Yeah, because that happens. It's not though like
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you're very warm. You're very warm, You're very so I
didn't know that. And also you don't live here, so
there's not a lot of references where I can be
like does she suck? Right, because sometimes it'll happen and
I'll go, hey does this person suck? And they're like yeah,
and I'm like, ad rather not because I don't want
to not like somebody. I'd rather just not know. And
then yeah, who knows? So I didn't know. But yeah,
you're awesome. I'm rooting for you.
Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
I'm okay, No, you're great, I'm okay. You just dependentally
you talk to I have too many opinions?
Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Are people saying things around about you?
Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Saying have said, I've been in this town way too long.
If you have opinion, it's scary. Do you have opinions
in this town? Eventually those opinions make somebody mad and
I have had a lot of them, and I think
I'm good hearted. But I also don't get out at all.
I'm so introverted, Like you don't go out, like I
don't do anything.
Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
What's your favorite thing to do?
Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Stay home and do what though? Be in the walls,
inside the walls, that's my favorite thing to watching something.
Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
You're just like sitting on your bed like.
Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
We had a baby four months ago.
Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Oh, congratulations, that's crazy. That is crazy. I'm sure. I
don't know, but is it like I'm sure your life
has changed forever. That's such a stupid thing to say, like,
obviously your life has.
Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Changed, It's crazy. All I would do is I would work,
and then when I was touring a lot, I would
just work Monday through Thursday, get on a plane, come
back Sunday, work do And then I just also realized
I don't want to be friends with a lot of
artists because then I couldn't talk freely and openly. Not badly,
that's different, but to have like honest opinions about things, Yeah,
(01:01:31):
because it doesn't go well in this town whenever you
don't flow with the system. I think it's cool that
you don't live here right now. I think eventually you'll
move here. But I think it's cool right now you
don't live here. Do you think you'll move here?
Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
I mean not, I mean maybe in the next like
three to four years. I love like I think that
like light, like people's lifestyles are better out here than
they are in LA Like you just the work life
balance is like everything out here.
Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
You know, you're also going to be moving around so
much and traveling so much. It's gonna be hard for
you to have a home.
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
I know. But I feel more at home here than
in La, Like I feel more myself when I'm here,
for sure. But I'm happy. What do you have? A
baby boy or baby girl?
Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
A girl?
Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
What's her name?
Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Billy Billy?
Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
That's really cute. She's four months old?
Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Whoa, yeah, tell me about it.
Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
She brought her here, she is.
Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
She's actually behind the couch. She's really quiet, She's laying
behind the fan.
Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
So Billy Billy Bones.
Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Dude, my wife, no, I know I have to say
that's not her name.
Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
But because a point of contention for you guys.
Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Well, my wife is like my name not Bones. She's
not part she My wife doesn't play the game. She
doesn't want to be a public figure. She she didn't
have fake name. My real last name is Estell. And
so she's like, I'm Caitlin Estell. I'm not Caitlin Bones.
Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Great name, Caitlyn Estell, great name.
Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
What about Bobby still.
Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
But Bobby Bones sound like you just it sounds so cool,
Billy Bones. I like, wonder if that's gonna happen, Like
people are gonna call her that.
Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
I think I will be so washed by the time
she gets to be old enough that it won't even
be a thing. I've had my run, Like I'm still
up at the top right now.
Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
But I have you know, I mean, I know you've
had your run, but like you can have an eternal run.
Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
I'm gonna be washed, and then you want to be
by the time you move here, I'm washed three years. Yeah, yeah,
this is.
Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
The last do you want to be?
Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Like, No, I've I've shifted and pivoted and done everything
and it's been great. And but I'll be your dad. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's awesome. Yeah, Okay, this has been fine. I hope
you had.
Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Fine cool did you?
Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Yeah? Yeah I did. I did the answers. The answer
is yes, I did have fun, but coming into it
I did not know. So I'm just I was just
a little apprehensive about Oh great, here we go somebody
that's young and now she's hitting and is she going
to be actually cool? If fate cool? You're cool, You're
(01:04:15):
real cool.
Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Yeah, I think you're cool too, Thanks. Thanks. All right,
that'll be that's it. That's it. That's it. Uh, Stelle Lefty,
tell your boyfriend. I said, what up? I'm a big fan.
He knows that. I tell him. I love him. He's awesome.
Do you guys you guys do stuff together sometimes?
Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Huh yeah, like like hang out?
Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
No no, no, like like no, I know you do
stuff together. I'm saying, like you guys have done like
interviews and stuff together.
Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Yeah, Well we have a song. We have a song together,
so we do interview on his on whose record? Well,
technically it's both, it's both of ours, but it came
out on my like it's on my EP that I
put out, got it, So it's both of our songs,
but we had to sing the other, which is so fun.
You have to do with him?
Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Well, tell him, I said, hi, And you're awesome and
I can't wait to, you know, see what's happening with
your career. I'm going for you.
Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
I was kind of I know, I'm really glad that
you were honest about that about what well you were like,
you know, I didn't know what you were going to
be like, and you were you were apprehensive. Is that
the word apprehensive?
Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
But it wasn't about It's just the nature of this town.
But this is also why people don't like me, because
I say stuff like that at.
Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Times, but the honesty is really refreshing.
Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Actually, like you know, who sucks. I'm just kidding. I'm
gonna say anybody, Okay, great to see you. We did it.
We did our uh stella Lefty. I'm a big fan,
and next time we'll do this again.
Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
Thank you for having me, Thanks for listening to a
Bobby Cast production.
Your boyfriend is how'd you meet him? What was his DM?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
He said he liked thinking about You when I was
teasing it, so he sent me the song.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Did he really like that song or was he just
trying to use that to get to you?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
He says he really liked the song.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Hey everybody, we're hanging out today with one of the
fastest rising new voices in music, Stella Lefty. She's awesome
singer songwriter who went from posting songs online in college
to having one of the biggest breakout moments of the
year with her song Boston, which is also awesome. You
might know her from her song think About You, racked
up millions of streams, really introduced a lot of people
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to her before Boston hit. She has a new EP
that's out called Is This Heaven. She's getting ready to
hit the road and I don't know what I expected,
but pretty great. Not gonna lie to you, she is.
I think you're really going to enjoy her as well.
One of my favorite new artists now, Stella Lefty. Stella
(01:07):
Good to.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
See you, Bobby, good to see you? Is that?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Is that your real name? Stella is because it's the
cool name. My name is not real. What's your real Well,
Bobby's my real name?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Is it Robert?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
No, Bobby is my real name, but Bones is a
fake name. I kind of thought that, right, But your
name is also cool, so I didn't know if it
was real or not.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Well, Lefty is like a shortened version of my last name.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Well, my real last name Isopolis.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Okay, so yours also?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
No, it's not, it's not it's not at all.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I really believed. I was like, what origin is that?
Like where we're going to hate myself? But you know what,
I'm trusting. I trusted you.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
And you you don't live here in Nashville. Have you
ever lived here in Nashville?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
No? I almost did. I was supposed to live here.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Okay, just I want to walk through like your it.
It's like a superhero your origin story because my origin
we haven't met. I know, you know, so bear with me.
You grew up near Chicago. The reason I think I
know that is I saw I'm a massive Cubs fan.
You are big north Side.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Oh yeah, where are you from?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
My whole life? Well, I'm from Arkansas, but my stepdad
and his dad were massive Cubs fans, and the Cups
sucked forever. This is before you. Yes, so they sucked
forever and so I suffered with them forever.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Oh so now you get to own it. You can
own it now you're a real Cubs fan.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah. And so now once they start winning, you don't
really have to tell anybody. And some people will be bandwagoners.
But that's okay. We don't care. We don't care. We're
just happy to do.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I mean, I would say that I'm like relatively bandwagony
in terms of, like, I mean, I grew up going
to Cubs games, but I wasn't out watching every single game.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, but you know, you grew up near there, you're
automatically in. Okay, cool, you're in. I saw you throwing
the first pitch. Yes, so I thought, oh, she just
and then I looked and I said, you grew up
near Chicago.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah. Yeah, so that's that's our team.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
So Cubs so not the White Sox so no, because
I was not a White Sox fan.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
No. Like my my mom grew up outside of Chicago,
like in a town near the town that I grew
up in, and her family is like the biggest Cubs
fans ever of all time, like has like Cubs attire
that they wear like on a daily basis, like Cubs
dresses everything, so like they you know, it's like in
her blood to be like a hups Cubs fan.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
And so you lived in that town what's the town
called Glenco. So you lived there and you moved out
at what age I went?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
I moved to New Orleans to go to school when
I was eighteen.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
And you went to New Orleans where, like, I know,
Tulane is Ulane? Oh you did? Yeah, okay, we're working
from blank slade.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
No, no, it's good.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Okay, So you went to Tulane. Uh huh twu Lane's
hardcore because well it's in New Orleans? Like did you
go hard Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I did? I did, But it was truly like the
best four years ever.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
So you went all four years?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
All four years my public health major?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Why really? So you had like normal person like give
back to the world type aspirations.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, yes, Now I wanted to go into public health,
but obviously, you know, unfortunately my degree just like rots away.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So public health means what like what was your idea?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Okay, this is the thing. So my I really I
was horrible at math my whole life, like really not
great really also not great at science, but I wanted
to do something with like maybe communications in public health,
like do something in that orbit. But I wanted to
work for like, like I guess I was like ideally
like hospitals or something in like the medical world, because
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my friend growing up had cancer instead of my mom.
So I was like, really, I feel like surrounded by
like a lot of there was a lot of medical
conversations happening all the time. So that's what I was
like passionate about. But I don't remember like what exactly
the goal was. The goal, Like I feel like as
time passes, I'm just like I don't but I really
I was super passionate about it.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Then I it's you finished.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I finished so up on finishing what I wanted to
be a songwriter.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
So you had already in the middle of school decided
you're gonna finish, But you also when you finish, you're
gonna pursue writing songs. Did did did that realization happen
in the middle of your four years?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
It happened like more like in the middle of my
senior year. That's like, really when I decided I wanted
to like figure out what the songwriting thing would be.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Who do you write songs with in New Orleans or
are you writing yeah alone?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I didn't know and there was no one in that
I knew of that was like doing that. So I
was just like in my bedroom doing It's that.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Tends to be the case, is that before people get here,
they do it by themselves because there's not a community
of songwriters really anywhere else unless you're New York or
Los Angeles, and so you learn to write by yourself.
But then once you start doing co write, that's kind
of weird because you've only written by yourself.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
It's so weird you're like, what am I? What's my purpose?
Like when do I talk? When do I sing?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
And do I share it? Am I over sharing? About one?
Because you're writing with people you really don't know and
you're to write emotional songs about it's weird.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
It's actually a crazy like if you break it down
like that, it's like, wow, I can't believe that, Like
that's what we do? You know?
Speaker 1 (06:17):
So you're riding at two line. Are you playing any
shows like bars or anything?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
No? I had huge stage right huge, like would not
sing in front of anybody? Did one show we had
like a like a frat organized something and the like.
There was this band, like a bunch of my like
some of my guy friends were trying to like do
this band and sing it this like frat thing, and
they asked me to be the lead singer and I
said yes. And then like three weeks go by, we
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haven't rehearsed yet, and I'm like, I can't do it.
Back out. And then there was like one time where
I did sing.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Like but you backed out and you stayed backed out. Yeah, no,
I didn't do end to the story was you showed up.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
No no, Like there is no movie, no, no, no,
there was no aeroic moment where it all like happens.
I was just like, no, I'm not I can't do it.
I had the worst stage fright, like I would not
get on stage.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
But how did they even know that you could sing?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I was posting. That's what was weird. And I still
don't understand why I felt so comfortable posting myself singing,
but like could not do it in front of another person.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Okay, so I can understand the safety of posting. However,
what's different about posting is you're opening yourself to all
this critique from people that you don't know, that you
don't know, and it's just wild and free in the
comments section, So did you look at your comments?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I did, but there were like five comments. These videos
weren't crushing. It was like five comments, and they were
like emoji's you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Did you feel weird posting your first video?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
No? Because I think my first video was in like
twenty twenty or maybe even well, okay, so I was
posting on musically.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
When I was like forty like music dot L yes, yes,
and I.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Was posting like lip syncing videos where you know, and
like people were doing like this and whatever. So I
just like, don't think I ever really thought about it.
But the first time I probably like posted a cover,
I don't even like it was like probably twenty twenty,
and I didn't I didn't think about it really and.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
You didn't feel weird or you didn't watch it back
and go, I don't know, should I leave this up?
I mean I still do that with every video I post,
and I've been doing this a long time.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I do that more now. I don't think I cared
them because I was like, what, like ten people are
going to view this video? You know, like now I
think I watched my videos more and like critique myself,
but I try not to. I think it's like that's
not fun.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
When did you decide that's what you wanted to do
like forever, as opposed to that's what you want to
do for fun? Now, Like why did you write in songs?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Like when?
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah? Like when did it go? Okay, I want to
write songs, but now I really want to write songs
for my whole life.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Hmmm. I think the first session that I was in Okay, yeah,
that's when it was because I like in the middle
of my senior year when I like decided that I
wanted to try being a songwriter. It was because I
had like this, I think like somebody had reached out.
I don't remember like what it was, but I think
somebody like do you me or we had like been
messaging and he was a publisher and he was like,
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I potentially want to sign you to my publishing company
because he had like seen my TikTok videos or like
I don't remember what the exact thing was, but then
he flew me to Nashville like the day after I
graduated college, and so I was in my first ever
session with other people that week, and in the session,
I was like, this is what I want to do
for the rest of my life, but I didn't know
for sure when it. You know, prior to that.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Moment, how did you trust a guy sliding in your
DM saying I want to fly you to another state.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I do that multiple times. I did that multiple times
because that person is not my publisher.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Now.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
My publisher now also DM me like two months later
being like, got any songs and I was like no,
and he was like.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I want to trust a dude in my DMS.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I don't know. I think I was just like, really,
I really want to figure it out. I was like
really determined to figure it out, and like I was
posting every day, multiple times a day, and so I
think I was just like whatever it takes to like
get where I need to go.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Were you doing anything original in those posts?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, I was writing original songs.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
And how did you feel about those? Was there any
sort of being self conscious about what you're writing? Because
you know, covers people like because they're famous their big songs,
what about your original stuff?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Like, I'm trying to remember if I felt a sort
of way about it.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Can you look back at them now and still be
proud of them, or do you go, oh, I really
didn't know what I was doing.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I definitely think that. I'm like, these songs are horrible,
but I released them on Spotify like they're disjoke kid,
Like I was putting some songs out that were like demos, like, so,
I don't know. I don't think though that, Like I
feel like I I just I don't know that girl.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Were any of those good?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
No? No, no, But my brothers still listen to them.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Well, they're not supposed to be good, right, I mean
they're bad.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Like if I showed you one right now, you'd be like, wow,
that's really tough.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I probably wouldn't, but I'd probably go, oh, this is
when you were learning mm hmm. And then you get
around it's kind of weird to get around songwriters that
have done it for a long time and you see
the tricks you learn, the tricks like the double meaning.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Oh for sure, Oh for sure, the internal rhyme. I
was like, what is that?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Who even knew? You tried to rhyme wards in the
middle of lines and not just at the end.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
That's what I'm saying, Like I never thought was like,
and then.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
You're around people that do it all the time and
do it really well, and you go, oh, I've got
a lot of growing to do, Like I really want
to do it, but I have a lot of growing
to do.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Totally.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Who did you write with where you felt that way
early on and you went, dang, that person's so good.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
That was my first I felt that on my first
session because my first session the publisher that like I
had been talking to you really early on, like he
set me up with Jackson Free who's an amazing writer
in Nashville, and then oh my god, I'm blanking on
his name, but he's this singer like for the band Nightly,
And so that was my session. It was with them too,
and I had never been in a session, and I
just remember being like, Wow, these guys are so good
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and they like actually know what they're doing. Like I
didn't even really know that a chorus needed to like
have different chords or like you know what I mean.
Like I'd listened to songs, so I kind of knew,
but I didn't really understand that from like a writing perspective,
and so I just felt that in that session, like Wow,
there's so many things I didn't know, and like, these
guys know how to do that.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
So when you're coming to Nashville right after school, were
you planning to maybe move here from New Orleans? You
weren't going to stay in New Orleans? Right?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
No? Well I went back home back to Chicago. Yeah.
And then like the trip that I had come out
here that the publisher wrong out here was for like
a week, and I really wanted to like sign a
deal with him, and I really wanted to like move
out here because that was like, you know, that would
have been a huge deal for me. I was like,
if I signed this publishing deal, that means that, like
I'm doing something right. In my head, I believed, you know,
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which makes sense. I think a lot of people feel
that way. But I that deal fell through, and so
I was like, what am I going to do? And
then my publisher now reached out and then he was like,
you got to go to la That's where you should go.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I love Chicago. It's probably second or the favorite city
maybe first that I've never lived in, but I've spent
enough time there. I just can't do the winter.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
It's so so it's awesome, but it's bad here too. Like,
you guys don't have a great winter here.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
We don't have a great winter. I love Chicago. I
don't know how people will stay there.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
But it's so The thing is though the summer. Have
you been there of the summer? Yeah, that I think
is like redeeming.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
If you're there for the summer, you just like I think,
you just tough it out until it comes back.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Summers are awesome. But I remember going to Wrigley in
the spring and freezing my face off in the spring,
I know, and I would go around because they would offer,
you know, sign up for a credit card, get a
free T shirt. I wouldn't wear enough clothes, so I'd
go sign up for like eight credit cards and have
like a tree dition you have. We're eight fr T
shirts and we're talking about we're in April or May
and it's coming off like Michigan. I'm just freezing my
face off. Did you do any winter sports?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Mmm? No, No. I was a tennis player, and I
think we uh, it was never cold for tennis, but
I played throughout the whole like I played win during
the winter, just like it was an inside place inside, Yeah,
it was inside.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Were you good tennis player.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
No were. I loved it, but I wasn't great.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Did you play high school tennis? Club tennis?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I played for my high school. Yeah, I like tore
my ACL before I could play varsity. So I was
JV for like.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Two years because of your torn ACL.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
No, Like I was JV before I tore my ACL.
And senior year, like I really thought that I would
get to varsity because a lot of the seniors, I
think do, But I tore my a CL like right
before that time happened, and so I just like didn't
do that. Senior y, I ran track and field.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
So with a torn ACL, after a torn.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
ACL, Yeah, after a torn ACL, you.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Chose to run. I chose to play tennis.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Uh huh. But I didn't want to do nothing. And
I really, like, I think like sports in my high
school were a huge thing. Everybody did them, and so
I think for me, like I didn't know what to
do because training for tennis would start like in the
middle of summer, and also it also started the middle
of summer for like track and field, and so by
the time that would like come around, all all my
friends were like, you know, doing sports, and I was like,
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I need to like do something, and so I started running.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Were you learning music though on high school at all?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I was playing the guitar in high school, but like
very as a hobby, Like it was so not taking seriously.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Were you the guitar playing kid in high school to
your friends or were you just doing it in your room?
Well then why did you? What? What inspired you to
get a guitar? Somebody in your house play guitar?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
No? No, I started. I actually don't even know why.
I was so young when I started learning. I was
like seven or something, but I was just like, I
really want to.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Learn who was it that you loved? Like Taylor?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I loved Taylor And the first song I learned how
to play was Timergrow. So I think I probably just
wanted to learn how to play off her songs. But
I don't really remember, like it was so long ago.
I was so young, but I just I always wanted
to sing. I loved singing always, and so I think
maybe that was my way of like, I'll be able
to sing if I can play the guitar, and I
can you know, and.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
You never sang though no publicly, no never.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
No.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
My friends like didn't even know that. I like like
when when I like moved to La to like pursue
this and like really give it a shot. Like they
were like so like when I did my first ever shows,
they were like, we've never seen you like that, Like
seeing you on stage is like weird, like it's off putting,
like we didn't even know you, like saying really like
this is bizarre.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
It sounds like Mike, Mike produces this, and Mike's one
of my really good friends. And I was doing a
bunch of stand up and Mike writes really funny jokes.
And Mike never talks, never talks, never talks. If you
meet him, it's months before he says a word to
you now because he doesn't like you. He doesn't talk.
And he came out and was just opening shows for
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me doing stand up, and people were floored, not that
he was telling jokes, but that he spoke at all.
That's what it sounds like when you're talking about your
friends or.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
They were like, actually, that's amazing, that's like that's the
perfect like you know, it's a good way to be,
like no knows that even talking and then all of
a sudden you're like a comedian.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
But that's what your friends had to be thinking about
you then, right, if you're moving to LA to do music.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, but the thing is I was posting like that
was the weird through line where everyone was like, it's
not the craziest thing because I was posting so much,
like I truly was posting five to ten times a day,
every single day. So they were like, okay, clearly like
you really want to do this. But I just think
they had never seen it in person, so it was
like weird, you know what I mean. They were like,
this is just we didn't even.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
When you moved to Los Angeles? How does it work there? Writing?
I know how it works here? How did it work there?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
It's I would say, it's like not so, I mean,
maybe it's more I guess I've okay, I've always felt
that in LA it's like more like strict, Like I
always felt like it was more like lax here, like
people write with their friends out here A lot I
feel like is the culture, like you write with your
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like buddies and you start at like eleven. But I
guess I think that people think maybe it's more like
a you know, like a regimented out here. But I
don't know, like I think I haven't done a session
in a really long time. Like I write pretty much
with my friend Grace. I do like everything with her,
but I don't remember. Like in LA, I think it's
just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
This is my interpretation of what happens in Nashville versus La.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Okay, yeah, give me, give me your take.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
In Nashville, I know how it works. Most rights are
in a random room, mostly with some people that are
in your camp, if you're cool enough or successful enough
to have a camp. Otherwise, I give a publishing deal.
A publisher sets you up and you're just kind of
bouncing around and you write from ten to three or
four pm, and then maybe you come back and you
meet again if you're not finished, and you but it's
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ten to four for the most part, and it's very
much business. You go in, you write your song, and
then you get out and you get out.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Okay, So it's pretty similar like that in LA.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
In LA, my feeling, and I'm probably wrong on this,
is that people are like writing at night and they're
starting and they're starting with melody first.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Oh oh, I start with Mighty first. Okay, I start
with Mundy first, for sure.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
I think here a lot of times, and it's becoming
more a little more like that, but it's not all
a lot of times it's concept first, you know, some
some lyrics first and then we'll build the melody. Or
from my friends that ride in LA always felt like
when they would talk about it would be random hours
and melody first and we'll figure out everything else after that.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I mean that is true, but there's a yeah, we
start at one pm. Everything's at one. You guys are eleven.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Oh, I've surprised to that early. But you can like
have lunch and like some.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, there's like it's like there's hours of talking. That's
actually the difference in LA. I feel like in a
session you start at one, but you're talking and like
hanging out for like two hours, so you're not even
starting until like you know two or three.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Three, we're here. You got to get out by four,
so right, And there's the.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
There's a better balance out here, like people have family.
I feel like in LA, like you know, there's less
of like I'm going to go home and be with
my kids or be with whoever I'm married to or
dating or whatever. It is, like there's a nice work
life balance. I think out here that maybe LA doesn't have,
like if you don't finish your song four five pm,
like you'll be there probably until like nine, or whenever
you finish.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Here you go home. Here, you go home and you'll
revisit it, or one person you finish it or die
visit it will just or it just dies. And someone
else uses that concept later and then you go, wait, no,
that's our song that we wrote that you just recycled
into that, And they're.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Like, okay, we'll give you two percent, Like, but that's something.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Else here here, we don't really do two percent five percent.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I know, yeah, if there's three people, it's thirty three.
But that's how I've always done it. I think that
that's like a good way to go about it in LA.
I also think that people I've surrounded myself with are
like that. I like, there's not so much of the
nitty gritty of like, okay, how much did you write?
Like if you didn't write so much, like you'll get
you know what I mean, it's more even.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Yeah, that was always odd to me and not wrong,
but odd to me. And I guess both ways are
odd because again, I have friends that have sat in
rooms and they will say they didn't contribute much that
day because either they weren't feeling it, they weren't feeling good.
But yet they get thirty three percent of the song
if it's a three person right, but in LA I
have friends like man, I kind of killed it, not
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only got five percent.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I know, it is weird, it's a backwards but it's
so hard, Like how do you even like I know,
because sometimes and this is what's crazy about it, Like
sometimes an energy alone, even if you didn't say anything,
is like the reason why the song was good, you
know what I mean, Like if you were just if
you came in to writing session and you and I
were writing together and it was just us two, but
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like you didn't say anything, but your vibe like made
me super inspired, like.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
You know, and that's why it's evenly split here for
the most right, is I think vibe presence being in
the room matters an equal amount. Like we've all committed
that whatever happens in this room, we all own it
equal share.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Of, right, whatever we all did this day like contributed
to wherever it ended up.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
So I'm kind of with that really.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
I mean, like yeah, I mean I get I think
like it's hard, Like I think for me, like I
really stopped writing, like I really haven't done a session
in such a long time because I think I got
lucky and I found like my friend happened to be
my favorite co writer of all time, so like that
just is easy. Like I bring her into things and
you know, like I want her to be So it's
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just it's different. I think it depends on your relationship
with who you're writing with, and like if it's your
best friends that you're writing with, you're like, I want
to give you an equals, you know what I mean.
It's like I'm not going to screw you over on
this song.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Who's the friend?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Her name is Grace Anger?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
And was she your friend before you guys started writing?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, we didn't write for like the first year of
our friendship.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Where'd you meet her?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
I moved into her house in La.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Random as in she needed a roommate and you didn't
know each other or had that work out?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Random? Because I when I met my publisher and he
was like, you guys to go to La, I was like,
I don't know anybody in La, So like am I
gonna like, like who am I going to live with?
And he was like, I have this writer signed to me,
who's the best. And he has this house that he
like grew up in. It was like in his family
and he had six girls living in the house and
him and I just asked him, like if I could
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just sleep in his extra room for like a few months.
And she was my direct roommate, and so he just
became how.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Big was this house?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Well, there was like two it was like I don't know,
it was like separated. It was like one house and
then another house, but they were on the same land.
And like, so you got lucky that she was cool.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I got so lucky, and then you got lucky she
was cool and talented.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yes, I like I hit the jackpop because I and
also like she's just, yeah, the best person I've ever met.
So I'm like, wow, it's great that we also like
to write together. Like what are the odds of that happening.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
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Speaker 1 (24:04):
I had a roommate once. I didn't want to eat
her food. I didn't know where. It was a random
type situation. When I moved to Austin and I was starving.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
You didn't want to eat her food.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I don't want to eat he food like when you
would cook. Well, I just didn't want to eat her
like I got she bought it. It was her food.
I get it. There are rules. And I had one
piece of ham out of her package of ham.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Oh you don't want to eat her food? Food in
the fridge?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah it wasn't. And I had a piece
of her ham. I was starving, and I wrote a
note and I said, hey, minus one piece of ham.
Sorry about that. She built? She build me for like
a dollar eighteen for the one piece of hand one
piece of ham. Yeah, that's a pot energy her and
I did you good friends?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
I would assume we don't want any songs together.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
She's like taleling up in her head when you like, yeah,
do anything.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I'm starving. I just wanted one one piece of ham,
and I got billed for the one piece of ham.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
That's a bad roommate.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, I mean she should be looking out for you,
Like did you ever live in the dorm? Did I
ever live in a dorm?
Speaker 1 (25:02):
And two lane?
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah? For two years?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Do they make you live in the dorm? Your freshman year. Yeah,
how'd you like that?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I loved it.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I loved it too. I love loving the dorm too.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
But I love being around people like I like I
The best thing ever is that, like you just everybody's
around you, Like you can just go upstairs and there's
like five your friends going downstairs, five of your friends.
Your roommate's your friend.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Like I still have a couple of friends from living
in the dorm. The best thing about it for me
was I don't make friends easily. And I was also
working all the time and going to school, so I
don't think I would have made friends, but like you said,
there's so many people there it's hard not to. And yeah,
I always advise everybody live in the dorm your freshman year.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Definitely it was.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
It was massive for me because I don't I don't
make friends easy. I'm assuming you do. You're pretty outgoing.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I'm I'm pretty outgoing, but I but it is like
the concept of and I remember how it felt to
be a freshman and show up and be like, oh
my god, I have to like start over, Like I
feel like growing up I had the same friends that
like I've you know what I mean, I don't remember
making those friends because they were just always my friends.
But then freshman year of college, you're like, wow, I
have to like introduce myself to these people and like
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see if we get along, and like it's a whole
other thing. But I don't know, I do feel like
I'm pretty I'm pretty outgoing.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Did you feel like you had the opportunity to start over,
like be something that you weren't known for. Was that exciting?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yes? Yes, Oh my god. I had zero confidence in
high school, like negative confidence. So I think when I
got to college, I was like, no one knows anything
about who I was in high school anything ever, So
I was just like, Wow, I get to like start over,
and you know, maybe y'all like get a boyfriend. I
don't know, why did you choose to inspiring? I the
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public health program was really great there, and I visited
like a family friend of mine went there and I
visited her when she was a sophomore, I think, and
I just fell in love with the school. I loved
everything about it. I loved, first of all, like the weather.
People will obviously say that it's like so insufferably hot,
but obviously Chicago is like the opposite so I was like,
this is great. Yeah, food it is. It is really hot.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
It is really hot. I feel like if I lived
in New Orleans my freshman year, would it had been
the freshman fifteen? It had been the freshman fifty five
because the food boy, Yeah, because the freshman fifty five. Yeah,
the food there, it's great, it's so good, but it's
so rich. Do you have like an appreciation now for
a Cajun food just because you lived there for four years?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I do. I'm like really unfortunately picky, Like I'm a
really picky eater, and it's so lame and it like
has been lame forever and I want to get over it,
but I can't. Like, but I do really I appreciate it,
and like we would go to JazzFest. I went to
Jasfest like my senior and junior year. And the food.
Have you been to Jasica? It's one of the best.
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It is, it really is. It's like the energy there
is amazing, but the food is so good and I
you know, the mac and che Well, have you ever
been to a crawfish boil?
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I'm from Arkansas, Yes, I mean a lot, yeah, a lot.
Love bit here's the thing I don't like getting my
hands dirty. You don't, not really, and I've probably done
it twenty times. But you know, like they dump them out, yes, and.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
There's the corner, yes, yes, I die from that. I
love those.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
You can only do this so many times, and it's
a lot of work for not a lot of meat.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I think it's like, but it tastes so good. It
tastes so good, and it like there's something so like
I don't know, it's like a full activity.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I'm not trying to have an activity. Eat no, no,
And then it stays there in your nails, I know,
but then.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I would get really gross about it, to be honest,
Like we had crawfish boils all the time, because like
two Lane loves to celebrate, I mean, New Orleans love
to celebrate anything, Like there's holiday every week, parade every week.
It's the best place on the planet. They're celebrating all
the time. And like we were just eating crawfish and
having crawfish boils like every single month, multiple times a month,
and I like truly would just be sitting on the
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ground like really going at it, and I did not
get a fuck. I don't know. If I'm kind, you.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Can say that, but it's just it's just so much
work for so little meat, but.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
You can eat so much of it. You could sit
there for hours, but you know what I.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Mean, kind of work you gotta do to eat for hours.
It's just constant, and I don't they don't, Mike, So
to me, I'm gonna pass. Now you can pass again,
probably twenty thirty. Crawfish boils in my life a lot,
but it's like even the eating like a crab. It's good,
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but it takes a freaking ever you gotta.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I know, but I'm less enticed by that. I would
way or rather, I don't know. There's something about and
maybe it's like where I was happy, Like maybe it
was just the energy of like New Orleans and eating
them and like having a crawfish boil there. I don't know,
but like I could never be turned away from it.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Halfway through. I'd see corn and potatoes, but the corn
is fire. It's great, yeah, because it has all the
flavor from exactly. Yeah, that's what I would do. I
would go like this sucks, I'm just gonna eat corn
and potatoes.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Okay, well maybe we need to we need to go
and like just try maybe you try again, just once more.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
No, No, I'm good, I got I got my fill. It's
it's just too much more enough meat.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
What advice would you give someone when they moved to
a city and don't know anybody?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
What advice would I give someone like the way that
I moved to LA and didn't or is it or
is it college? Is it college or is it just
a SI?
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Well it could be both because you did it twice,
I've done it before, and it's really it feels foreign
and even the news channels are weird. Everything's weird about it, everything,
and you think I'm never going to fit in here,
But I think I grew so much from doing that.
It's just dumping in a bucket of water. And you so, like,
what did you learn from moving somewhere and not knowing
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anyone either time?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I I mean I think like as I mean, I've
been relatively outgoing for my whole life, But I do
think that like moving to a new city and not
knowing anybody allow you to like be different, like not
different versions of yourself, but like figure out like who
you are in a completely different social setting and like
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what I don't know, Like that's how I felt when
I when I got to Tulane, I was like, wow,
I haven't made a new friend so long, Like this
is such a different experience I'm in I'm so like
not so far from home, but like, you know, it
just everything felt so different. But I think, like I
don't know, it just gave me. It was different because
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I really felt like I wanted to reinvent myself, Like
I wanted to be a more confident version of myself.
I wanted to be like boys did not think I
was cute for the first eighteen years of my life,
Like truly I was not cute. And so I think
when I got Tulane, I was just like I want to, like,
you know, kiss all these moies. I don't know it
(31:50):
just but I did it. It wasn't even that I
just I don't know, like I think. I think the
biggest thing is just like finding out who you are
in different settings and like going out of your comfort
zone to just like figure that out. Whatever that is,
like joining a club or getting involved with like whatever's
going on in the community, whether it be in LA
or when I was in college or whatever. Like just
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involving yourself in things.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
To me, when I would move somewhere. Yeah, I never
had that where I was kissing all the boys. But
whenever I would move somewhere and I didn't know anybody,
it did two things for me. One, it allowed me
to shed whatever light skin that I didn't want to
have to keep carrying with me freely because nobody knew
of that. So, like you said, you can reinvent yourself.
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And it was never a full reinvention for me, but
I got like lose a couple of things that maybe
I didn't like to be known for. The Other thing
was it just showed me how freaking strong.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I was totally like, you can do that, ye, because it's.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Very hard, it's very scary. But I think doing that
kind of I proved to myself that it could be
done and I could do like really almost anything. I
was lifting in a city where I knew nobody, not
one single person, and I built a whole community in
life from scratch. Yeah, it's crazy, it's crazy. It is
crazy not really being born there, because like I said,
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we're born somewhere, we have a community built on top
of us.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Because well it's like your parents' friends kids, it's like
it's yeah, it's totally different.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
What do you think about just La in general?
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I have mixed feelings about La in general, because I
love my friends in LA and I feel so lucky
to have like been thrown into like a pool with
them because I moved into their house. But like I think,
I driving in LA is incredibly frustrating thumbs down, And like,
you know, I don't think that there's that much of
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a community in LA, which has been the thing for
me where I every time I come here, there's so
much more of a community, like people, you run into
people when you go out, or like you know what
people are doing, even if you don't, like you know
what I mean. It's more like it just feels like
a smaller town, whereas in LA, like you could not
run into somebody that lives in the same part of town,
and as you once like you may never see them
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unless you're like texting or whatever. It is. So there's
just not so much of a community, which is hard
for me because like where I grew up, there's like
so much a community, Like there's one like the coffee
shop it's called hometown in my town, and like you
go there and you run into everybody that you've like
ever known, So it's like, that's so nice. I miss that.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
I would spend a month or weeks at a time,
depending on what show I was shooting. Once we stayed,
we were there for three months, so I never had
a real community there. So I missed a good part
of it. Because my wife, she went back to grad
school and she moved to LA and she had a
really good group of friends, so she loved it. I
only got the bad part of the industry, yuck, where
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everybody's just like trying to grab the thing and move.
So I didn't get the good I got the car
sick and everything taking forever to get to and just
like the industry. And if that's all you know, I
I don't think your relationship with LA is great.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
No, definitely not, definitely not. What part of l were
you in.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
We were in Studio City for a while. We lived
in Glendale for a while. I love Glendale and if
we were shooting because I was on American Idol for
four years and so we would just stay downtown like
in Hollywood. I don't know. I almost got stabbed at lunch.
I feel like I was just dodging needles and knives
walking down the street. Yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
It's definitely better. There's better mines here. It's better here,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
I just didn't get the good part of it. I'm
not even trashing it as a whole because my wife
lived there and loved it because she found her friends.
I just wondered for you, like, if you have people, yeah,
if you have your community.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
It's the people anywhere, Like I think that's anywhere. Like
you if you find people that you love and want
to do everything with, no matter what city you're in,
I think it makes any city tolerable.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
You know, when you're writing songs, especially early on, did
you think you just wanted to be a songwriter or
did you think you're going to write songs for you
and be an artist.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I wanted to be a songwriter for other people.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
How did you know that was a real job Because.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
I found out it was a real job my junior year,
because when I got reached out to by this publisher,
Like when we were talking, he was like, you can write,
because I was like, there's no way I'm an artist,
but the way I was posting it presented to be
that I wanted to be an artist, and he was like,
you don't have to do that, Like there's another path,
Like you can write for other people and you never
have to, like, you know, be the face of these songs.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
And that was appealing to you.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Are you kidding? Is my dream? I was like, let's go.
I was like I can. And also when I realized,
like I didn't know that a lot of the songs
I loved growing up were written by other people, So
that was like, you know, pivotal. I was like, what
are you talking about? Like that Tim McGraw is not
writing these songs or whatever. It was so like when
I found out the power behind that and those people
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and what they were able to do, like I wanted
to be a part of that.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
So when you moved to Los Angeles, was it to
be a writer or was it to be a writer artist?
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Then to be a writer?
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Really?
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:57):
When did it happen? Where you trained? Transition too? I
want to be a writer, but now I want to
perform the songs I'm writing.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
It was well, okay. The joke of the situation was
like my first sessions that I was in Nashville for
when I wanted to be a songwriter, I was like
writing these songs, but these sessions like weren't pointed at
like Okay, we're going to write for this specific artist.
We were just going in being like let's write, but
like it was not for me, Like we were just
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like let's write anything. And so but I would go
home and like post those songs on TikTok, and I
think people were just like, do you know, like what
being a song? Like you know what I mean? They
were like you're not supposed to do that. You're not
even allowed to do that. They were like this is
actually the opposite of like what today's point was. And
I was just like, well, what does anything matter? You know,
I didn't know there were rules. I didn't know that.
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That was like people probably left those sessions being like
we don't want to write with her again, like what
is she doing? But but yeah, it was like quickly
after I got LA where I was like, I actually
think I want to like sing these songs that I'm writing.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
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Speaker 1 (38:13):
Did you want to sing one because you now wanted
to sing or because you wrote them and felt like
you could actually distribute the message, But you know why,
I felt.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Like, well it was okay, so one of the songs
that I'd written in Nashville or no, it wasn't in Nashville.
Maybe it was in LA. But then I went back
to I don't really know. There was like I was
in La, I was in Nashville. There was like two
trips that happened over the summer before I ended up
meeting my now publisher, But so I don't know what
city it wasn't. But I wrote this song called kiss
Me that wasn't going to be for me, but then
I posted on my TikTok and then it did well.
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So that I think was the moment where I was like, well,
am I going to give this song to somebody else now?
Like that it's doing that, It's like people are liking
the song and like I'm singing the songs, so like
maybe I should keep the song. And that's really how
it just it just like happened, like I was like, Okay,
I'm going to keep these songs, like maybe I like
I want to post, and everyone was always saying to
me like that's half the battle, like it's hard, you know,
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to put yourself out there on that way alone. So
I was like I want to do that. So I
might as well just keep these songs.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Was that the first video that really hit for you?
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Yeah, that was the first one.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
And how viral did it go?
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Probably like three hundred thousand views? Like not so so viral,
But I was really viral for my accents.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Before What do you mean your accents?
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I was viral for doing like a French accent when
I was like a freshman in college, British.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Accent, so as when I was young, I would like
fake I was from other countries a waffle house to
see if I could fool them, But I never really
put it on. And what are you?
Speaker 2 (39:45):
What are your accents?
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Like?
Speaker 2 (39:46):
What do you right?
Speaker 1 (39:46):
I can kill a Russian? You think? Do you talk
to me? I come from Russia where we have clevery night, So.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
It's not great, but it's enough, right, I just do
the guy from Rocky Rocky for I love it so
and I would just see if I could convince them
that I was actually Uh.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
They probably didn't care.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
They were like whatever this is?
Speaker 1 (40:06):
They just get in his waffle some other cover what
you just give the guy's waffle.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
And get the Russian get in there?
Speaker 1 (40:14):
What's your French accent?
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Do you want to do it?
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Oh but what if it's bad now, like it could
be rusted.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
So it's been a while huh No.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
I actually I think I did it the other day
and get it right. Okay. It's like when you like
took in the French accent, like there's a lot of
like clasp and like I don't know, I don't know.
That's the gist of it though.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
So that was the embarrassment thing part of the act
there or yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Like I would post like, yeah, it was part of it.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
So you would act French.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
I would act French the whole clip.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
You wouldn't come out of character. No, so they would
think you were a French girl.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Yes. The comments were like she's like, she's not French,
she's British, Like look at two videos before and then
some people were like, no, that accent's fake, she is French.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
What inspired you to do those videos?
Speaker 2 (40:59):
I don't know. Oh I just started doing them. I
don't know what the thought was.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
What other accent you got in there?
Speaker 2 (41:05):
There was a British accent that was not bad, but
that one's rusty Australian, like I could do like an
Australian accent, like you can just like fall into the
Australian accent. Yeah, let's go No, that was the Australian accent.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
It's just did it Australian as.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
If you can you can hear the Australian. I mean,
you can hear the Australian accent, but it's subtle, which
is why I think maybe people believed it.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Have you ever been to France?
Speaker 2 (41:31):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
I went to Paris and I tried to speak French
and they said, don't do that, we know English.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I tried, do you have any do you have anything?
Speaker 1 (41:41):
I mean, I was like any French?
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Uh uh, Bobby, But I would do a lot of
like uh, I studied French in college, but I never
went to France. Because I studied French, we had to
take a four language.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
It was loose, so you loosely studied.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
It was the only sea I ever got in my
entire schoolastic career.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
It's such a hard it honestly is so hard. Like
I tried to do a lingo French for a second
impossible language to learn.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
I had a friend that was due a lingoing Mandarin.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Oh dude, don't even I that is like god.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
I struggled with French, and all my friends, at least
for a long part of my life were Hispanic or Mexicans,
so I know when they're talking about me and Spanish bad,
but I don't do it well. So like, I know,
I can hear some Spanish. I can speak like seven
French words, and I tried it and it was so bad.
When I was in Paris, they said, dude, we got you.
We know English stop and then others. Yeah, other than that,
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like I got. I went to Japan and I did uhmoshi,
I know like two things.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (42:51):
I think that means hello. I don't remember anymore, Mike,
we do what mos means? I might just know that
from Full House though too.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
You know, I did, like but I never was like
an avid watcher of it, were.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
You, Mooshi? I think Michelle Tanner had I think Michelle
Tanner had a uh somebody that she was talking to
because she just dialed a number by accident, and they
were calling each other back and forth, and they were
wondering why Michelle the baby would always say things in
Japanese like mos moshi, and they were like, how does
she know Japanese? And it turns out it was like
somebody that she was calling in Japan.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Damn, I know, and that's how you learned. So that's
like educational, I think.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
So what do you got, Mike, Yeah, Moshi Moshi is hello, Moshimoshi.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Yeah, that's my language.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Damn, I know.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
You know, and now you know.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
And now I know I'm going to use that. I'm
going to say that.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Boston it's I mean, it's killing. I saw it first
from Gary Levox. Yes, who's a friend of mine. So
if following I love him and I love him. I
don't know him.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
I actually don't know him. I've never met him, but
like you, I saw him obviously singing Boston on and
I was like, this is epic. Like I was singing
Blessed the Broken Road all the time.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
It was on a boat, yeah, and he was singing
the song and I was like, that's a good song.
I didn't know what he was singing. I thought he
may have been singing like a song that he was doing,
and then I heard a couple of places and I
was like, oh, that song's really good. You never right,
Garry of the Box No, because that's how I discovered yours.
I wonder if I FaceTime him. Let me just see
if he knows. Oh my god, let me just see
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if he's even that'd be funny. Though if he did answer,
let's see.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
I'm scared. I love that you thought it was his
song though he can have it.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
The phone is so close to my face right now
on FaceTime, and if he can, you hear that ring
of Mike.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
But if he doesn't answer, he's.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Not gonna answer. Now he's drunk in a tree stand.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I'll leave him one of those Oh my god, one
of the messages.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Yeah, video messages. Yeah, three times is gonna ring. Okay,
let's record video. Let make sure I look good here,
Hey body, Bobby here, was just talking about you because
I was talking about the first time that ever heard
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Stella Lefty's song Boston was you, I think, singing it
on your boat. And I was asking her, do you
know she's French by the way she's doing it French?
I was asking her if she or just telling her
that story, and she was like, I've never met gear
of the Box. So anyway, there's there's Stella.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah, so nice to meet you over the FaceTime message
and so that's all.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
That's all we were hoping you would answer, okay, bye.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
He's gonna be like what He's gonna watch that later
and be like what's happening?
Speaker 1 (45:49):
You know he went his life once you get really
rich and he's really rich, Like I don't even think
things are weird anymore ever, it's just everything. Just I
think he like choppers out to deer hunt, Like that's
how rich he is.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
He choppers out to deer hunt.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Yeah, like choppers out Like wow, okay, yeah that's the
all right, Well, so then.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
He's gonna take that lightly.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Yeah, he'll take it very I'll take it very lately, casual.
That song? Did it blow up on your TikTok virally Boston? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Is that where that song started to?
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Oh yeah? Who every song for me has started?
Speaker 1 (46:24):
Who did you write that one with?
Speaker 2 (46:26):
I wrote that. I wrote the chorus that alone when
I was out here, and then I brought it to
Grace and Joe, who's like my my producer in Nashville,
and then we finished it together.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
And did you sing just a chorus of it on TikTok?
You finished the whole song? Chorst No, Like.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
On TikTok, the only thing I sang was like the
first half of the chorus, so nothing else existed. So
by the time the video was doing well, I was like, fuck,
there's no song.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
You have success on an incomplete song.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Yes, on like one line of a song, And I
was like, there's literally no song. And I was like,
I don't even know what the song is gonna like.
I didn't even have an idea of what this verse,
like the verse was gonna sound like.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Was it just kind of a throwaway when you wrote
because it was so limited? So did you just go
I'm just gonna do this, put it up for something
to post, or did you think I'm gonna do this
and if it works, I'll continue to grow it.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
No, I wasn't even thinking about I was honestly like
I just had a second to kill before I was
going on a date and I was like in Nashville
to be writing, and I hadn't written anything that day,
and so I was like feeling like I needed to
be more productive, and so I was like, I'll just
sit at the piano and just see like whatever comes out,
and then like go on the date and like, you know,
do whatever else tomorrow. Like I'm sure I had like
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a session or whatever it was, but I So I
wasn't thinking about it, like I wasn't thinking about anything.
I really just posted the song because I was just
in this phase where I was just posting all the time,
which is, I guess the phase I'm always in posting
all the time.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Do you do that now? Still? Do you have time
to do that now?
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (47:56):
I post all the time, even as busy as it is.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Is it weird to kill it? Now? What do you
mean you're just killing You're killing it, you're selling to
kill it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Oh I was like kill the song. I was like
to get rid of songs? No it is? Is it weird?
Speaker 1 (48:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Yeah, it's weird. It's definitely weird. But I really don't
now now there's like not so much time to even
like think about that, you know. I'm more just like
I want to like maintain what I had going on before,
like the way that I was writing all the time,
Like I want to just I want to keep that.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
When you come to town, are you normally jam packedause
that you don't live here and you're just getting you
got to do like eleven things?
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Now has today been a pack day?
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (48:38):
Walk me through it?
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Okay, what did we do?
Speaker 1 (48:41):
Now that's how you know it's packed. What did we do?
Speaker 2 (48:43):
We It's honestly, it's a lot. It's it's nice like
I we go into the we like I've been meeting
a bunch of radio Like I've been going to a
bunch of radio stations, which is really nice. Like I
get to meet all these people or see people that
I've met, like during CMA Fest to see them again.
But we did a CMA event for CMA Edu, yeah Cmaduma.
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But it was awesome, Like there was fifty students there,
so I sang for them, which was truly terrifying. Singing
for people that are close in age to you is
like one of the scariest things in the world because well,
it's just like I don't know, like none of us
know how to act right now. I don't know how
to act. And I know that you don't know how
to act, like you know what I mean, because they're
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not gonna like they don't they're not singing back the words.
And if they are singing back the words, it's like shy,
and then I feel shy because you know, I'm like,
oh my god.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
Yeah, that's shy. On shy crime that usually on crime
usually not good for like performance, no.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
No, but especially like fifty you know, twenty something year olds.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
So then how do you get through that? Do you
fake it at first and then it catches up to you.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Meaning yeah, yeah, I definitely but the good like I
really I think with these songs, like I truly love
these songs, so I don't feel like when I'm singing them,
like I wave of happiness doesn't come over me naturally.
So then I do end up feeling better, but there's
definitely a period where I'm like, oh my god, let's.
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Speaker 1 (50:21):
Do you enjoy performing now? I do, like you found it,
it feels it.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
I do enjoy it, But like I am so nervous
every time before I get on stage in any setting,
like freaking out, and I'm like, I'm not I can't
do it. I can't get on the stage.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
Whenever people come in a lot of times they bring
in albums that mean a lot to them. And if
you don't mind picking this one up here that you
brought in, I'd love for you to tell me why
you pick this and what it is and show the
camera here. Well, no, you show show. I tell her
everybody watching on Netflix show show them the album. Yeah yeah,
and so talk show tell me what it is and
why that album is it?
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Okay, this is really thought out because I am a
huge Lucombs man and I've been a hugely this is
this is for you. This one's for you. Oh, this
is for you. This one's for you.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
You're who's on first in me right now? I don't
what what this is for me? This is for me. No,
I don't know what you just said. I don't speak
my mumble, but you just said this is for you.
But this is for you.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
No, this is for you. But this one's for you.
The album is called this One's for you.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
Okay, now we're there. Now we're there, go ahead. So
this one's for you the album. You actually got that
for me? That is so nice. Okay, now why did you?
Speaker 2 (51:30):
This is for you? This one's for you? I okay.
So I'm a huge lu Combs fan, and you know,
when I was debating on like what album, I felt
like had the biggest weight and like it was a
no skip album you know, in my life. The first
thought was like okay, the first Tailor Swift album had
a huge impact in my life, Like those were the
first songs I ever learned how to play, Like that's
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what made me fall in love with music. But then
when I discovered Luke Combs when I was a freshman
in high school, like my whole every thing was changed.
Like I only listened to this album, every single song
on this album, probably every single day for four years
driving to school. And they are some of the best
songs that have ever been written. So I felt like,
maybe you wouldn't want to drive.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
I've not heard of that guy, so tell me more.
What's his name?
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Lucas What Lucas Combs? Lucas Lucas Combs. Yeah, he's really
nat Have you met Luke? No, I would not be
cool about meeting him.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
You would because he's so nice.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
No, you don't understand though, like she got the best
of me. Would be screened like these songs, Like I
don't like my high school experience doesn't exist without this
album truly, So I wouldn't be cool. There would be
zero chill. Maybe I'd cry about it.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
Who have you met here?
Speaker 2 (52:43):
Lane Wilson?
Speaker 1 (52:44):
So nice?
Speaker 2 (52:45):
So nice?
Speaker 1 (52:46):
I can tell you a story about Lanny please whenever. Way,
this is six or seven years ago. Laney was just
dancing in a video and you remember the song going
to do the two yeah course, and so that song
was kind of doing its thing, and I was like,
I'm gonna learn the dance and do a video for
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it and so, but Lanny wasn't an artist that had
any music out. She was just doing the dance with him.
And so I text Lane and I was I was like, hey,
will you teach me how to do this dance and
you could be in the video. And she's like, yeah,
come over. So she came over and taught me how
to do that. There's nothing she was that Laney Wilson.
She was just Laney who was in the video doing
the dance. And she came over and I said, you
(53:27):
want to you can get in the video. She goes,
nobody wants me in this video, Like you just do
it and get your views. I don't want to ruin it.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Everybody wants you in this video.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
What But that was just like she was just like
normal and nice and she's awesome.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
She's awesome. Yes, she's like the kindest, warmest person on
the planet. You had a good experience with her the best,
like truly the best, because I'm I got I've like
seen her twice because I saw her during CMA Fest,
which and she's also like the coolest looking, like she
just walks in the room and you're just like, oh
my god, like you are so cool. What the fuck?
I keep swearing, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
Yeah, there aren't cops outside.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
You're good, I know, but I feel bad like you're not.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
It's just me doing it, that's true, but I.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Know like I'm alone in it. I'm done doing it.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
It feel like you're trying to give me new drugs,
Like I just to take it. I don't want to
do this alone.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
I don't want to be alone. We also have you
met Kelsey Ballerini. He was so sweet and awesome. Who
else I met? M Dan and Shay I love them.
We got to sing together doing c A Fest, which
was awesome.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Did they came out and did your song right? No?
Speaker 2 (54:31):
We sing Tequila's we sing their song which was I.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
Saw them come out with you? Was it at CMA
Fest like it was at the Billboard.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
It was like there was a Billboard like show and
it was. It was awesome.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
They're really good Shake Shake and sing, it's wild.
Speaker 2 (54:46):
He's pitch, he's perfect pitch.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
It's and they are together because they are like in
my class, meaning we came to town at the same time.
This town's like that, Like whoever you came to town
with you in your grade, it's like that. Yeah, and
so known them forever and they are perfect together because
dan Is O. C d Is a great producer. It
wakes up exactly on time, goes to bed on time,
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and then shay oh, exact opposite.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
But yeah, like you need fund, you need that.
Speaker 1 (55:14):
They found their other anybody else you met the school.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Vincent?
Speaker 1 (55:20):
You know, I really like him. I don't know if
you told him you were coming.
Speaker 2 (55:25):
To I did. I really he likes you too.
Speaker 1 (55:27):
Yeah, and I like it. I don't like a lot
of I don't dislike a lot of people's music. But
I'm I just live in it. I'm jaded.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
It's just do you hate my music?
Speaker 1 (55:37):
No? I don't know. Why would I? No, I don't know.
It's hard to get it's hard to get in this room.
And I like your music. And so I was like, hey,
when she's in town, like I will, I don't usually
do this this late?
Speaker 2 (55:48):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (55:49):
No, I mean no, I'm a fan. All that to say,
I'm a fan. So no, I do like your music,
and yeah, you're you mentioned your boyfriend. I was just
gonna not bring I'm sure that gets brought up everywhere,
so wasn't.
Speaker 2 (56:00):
But I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
But I love him. He's and I love his music
the best, truly like that. His music is my vibe.
Do you like John Mayer like my favorite arts of
all time?
Speaker 2 (56:13):
Right? And you like Kasey Musgraves like these are.
Speaker 1 (56:17):
Like my people like Counting Crows.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
Oh, I love Counting Crows.
Speaker 1 (56:23):
No, you don't.
Speaker 2 (56:24):
I do lit songs.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
You don't know accounting put up a.
Speaker 2 (56:27):
Parking lot, don't it? Always see the girls?
Speaker 1 (56:33):
Yeah, that's what you're saying. That's not what it's called.
I know what it's called.
Speaker 2 (56:39):
It is called hold on a second. Wait? Was that
originally Joni Mitchell song?
Speaker 1 (56:44):
Okay, I give you credit back? You just want no.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
No, I know that it's originally. I know that it's
a cover, but that was a huge thing like Rascal
Flats Blessed Spoken Roads also a cover.
Speaker 1 (56:53):
If that's true, that's true. You just taught me something.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
It's true, and I found out like a month ago.
It's true.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
So Big Yellow Tax is a song and it's Jonny
Mitchell song. But you knew that, so I'm not even
to give you a crap about that.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
Do you love Johnny Mitchell?
Speaker 1 (57:06):
Do you ever see her play like the sittart that thinks.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
When she sings California? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (57:11):
You ever see Amanda Syfree do that on Jimmy Fallon?
Speaker 2 (57:14):
Yes, that was like the most viral thing in the world.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
I was like, what's happening right now that I.
Speaker 2 (57:17):
Wanted that to come out? I wish you would have
released that.
Speaker 1 (57:19):
I met her once. Really, she was really nice.
Speaker 2 (57:22):
She seems really nice.
Speaker 1 (57:23):
You never know about actors though, Sometimes it's just the roles.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
I know, like, how can you tell because they right,
Like that's a confusing thing to like date. I feel
like to date an actor like that might be scary,
like they can lie.
Speaker 1 (57:36):
That's committing to the role, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (57:38):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (57:38):
Yeah, she was really nice though. I bet anyway, your
your your boyfriend is Vinson? Yeah, and he's you can say, yeah,
I really like him. I really like his music. His
music is my vibe as well. So not only is
he really talented, but like I would like I listened
to that music whenever I'm just like by myself. How'd
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you guys meet he?
Speaker 2 (58:02):
DM me on Instagram?
Speaker 1 (58:03):
Let's do it. Let's do one hundred and twenty seconds
of us talking about this because I was not gonna
make this about this, but you open the door. Let's
do open the door one hundred and twenty seconds. Ready, Okay, yeah,
I'm ready, starts timer. How'd you meet him?
Speaker 2 (58:14):
I met him via DM DM me?
Speaker 1 (58:16):
What was his DM?
Speaker 2 (58:17):
He said he liked thinking about you when I was
teasing it, so he sent me the song.
Speaker 1 (58:21):
Did he really like that song? Or was he just
trying to use that to get to you?
Speaker 2 (58:24):
He says, he really liked the song, But what do
you believe? Well, I actually he was in a really
weird I don't think he was like looking for love.
I don't think that he.
Speaker 1 (58:35):
Was a classic line no way.
Speaker 2 (58:37):
Yeah, he wasn't looking hard to get Yeah yeah, no,
but that's what he said. So, you know, I don't
know first date. Oh what was it? Oh my god,
I don't know the name of the restaurant. But we
went to go eat steak here? Yes?
Speaker 1 (58:48):
Has does he fly out to California?
Speaker 2 (58:49):
Yeah, he's in La a lot.
Speaker 1 (58:51):
Do you come here a lot to see him? How
long he has been dating?
Speaker 3 (58:54):
Like?
Speaker 2 (58:54):
Six months? Five months?
Speaker 1 (58:55):
What's your favorite song of his?
Speaker 2 (58:57):
Ooh, Speak of the Devil?
Speaker 1 (58:59):
Does he have any songs about you?
Speaker 2 (59:01):
No?
Speaker 1 (59:03):
Does that hurt your feelings?
Speaker 2 (59:04):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (59:09):
Okay, that's enough. That's enough on him. That's a good one.
Good run there. This is fun. I didn't know what.
I didn't know what to expect with you. Honestly, really,
I didn't know you would. Okay, do you want to
play the game?
Speaker 2 (59:19):
Yeah? What did you think?
Speaker 1 (59:21):
Honest game? Or no?
Speaker 2 (59:21):
Yeah, I want honest game. I don't need to lie
to me. Then I then you'd be an actor.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
You just never know.
Speaker 2 (59:28):
You thought it was gonna suck.
Speaker 1 (59:30):
No, I just didn't know if you were going to suck.
There's a difference.
Speaker 2 (59:34):
But do you think I look like I suck? No?
Speaker 1 (59:36):
But and I'm going to tell you why I thought
you might suck, even though you look like you didn't suck,
because you have just from what I've seen of you,
you seem very approachable and likable, And it might be
I didn't. Yeah, because that happens. It's not though like
(59:57):
you're very warm. You're very warm, You're very so I
didn't know that. And also you don't live here, so
there's not a lot of references where I can be
like does she suck? Right, because sometimes it'll happen and
I'll go, hey does this person suck? And they're like yeah,
and I'm like, ad rather not because I don't want
to not like somebody. I'd rather just not know. And
then yeah, who knows? So I didn't know. But yeah,
you're awesome. I'm rooting for you.
Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
I'm okay, No, you're great, I'm okay. You just dependentally
you talk to I have too many opinions?
Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Are people saying things around about you?
Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Saying have said, I've been in this town way too long.
If you have opinion, it's scary. Do you have opinions
in this town? Eventually those opinions make somebody mad and
I have had a lot of them, and I think
I'm good hearted. But I also don't get out at all.
I'm so introverted, Like you don't go out, like I
don't do anything.
Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
What's your favorite thing to do?
Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Stay home and do what though? Be in the walls,
inside the walls, that's my favorite thing to watching something.
Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
You're just like sitting on your bed like.
Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
We had a baby four months ago.
Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Oh, congratulations, that's crazy. That is crazy. I'm sure. I
don't know, but is it like I'm sure your life
has changed forever. That's such a stupid thing to say, like,
obviously your life has.
Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Changed, It's crazy. All I would do is I would work,
and then when I was touring a lot, I would
just work Monday through Thursday, get on a plane, come
back Sunday, work do And then I just also realized
I don't want to be friends with a lot of
artists because then I couldn't talk freely and openly. Not badly,
that's different, but to have like honest opinions about things, Yeah,
(01:01:31):
because it doesn't go well in this town whenever you
don't flow with the system. I think it's cool that
you don't live here right now. I think eventually you'll
move here. But I think it's cool right now you
don't live here. Do you think you'll move here?
Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
I mean not, I mean maybe in the next like
three to four years. I love like I think that
like light, like people's lifestyles are better out here than
they are in LA Like you just the work life
balance is like everything out here.
Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
You know, you're also going to be moving around so
much and traveling so much. It's gonna be hard for
you to have a home.
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
I know. But I feel more at home here than
in La, Like I feel more myself when I'm here,
for sure. But I'm happy. What do you have? A
baby boy or baby girl?
Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
A girl?
Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
What's her name?
Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Billy Billy?
Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
That's really cute. She's four months old?
Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Whoa, yeah, tell me about it.
Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
She brought her here, she is.
Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
She's actually behind the couch. She's really quiet, She's laying
behind the fan.
Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
So Billy Billy Bones.
Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Dude, my wife, no, I know I have to say
that's not her name.
Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
But because a point of contention for you guys.
Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Well, my wife is like my name not Bones. She's
not part she My wife doesn't play the game. She
doesn't want to be a public figure. She she didn't
have fake name. My real last name is Estell. And
so she's like, I'm Caitlin Estell. I'm not Caitlin Bones.
Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Great name, Caitlyn Estell, great name.
Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
What about Bobby still.
Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
But Bobby Bones sound like you just it sounds so cool,
Billy Bones. I like, wonder if that's gonna happen, Like
people are gonna call her that.
Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
I think I will be so washed by the time
she gets to be old enough that it won't even
be a thing. I've had my run, Like I'm still
up at the top right now.
Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
But I have you know, I mean, I know you've
had your run, but like you can have an eternal run.
Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
I'm gonna be washed, and then you want to be
by the time you move here, I'm washed three years. Yeah, yeah,
this is.
Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
The last do you want to be?
Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Like, No, I've I've shifted and pivoted and done everything
and it's been great. And but I'll be your dad. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's awesome. Yeah, Okay, this has been fine. I hope
you had.
Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Fine cool did you?
Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Yeah? Yeah I did. I did the answers. The answer
is yes, I did have fun, but coming into it
I did not know. So I'm just I was just
a little apprehensive about Oh great, here we go somebody
that's young and now she's hitting and is she going
to be actually cool? If fate cool? You're cool, You're
(01:04:15):
real cool.
Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Yeah, I think you're cool too, Thanks. Thanks. All right,
that'll be that's it. That's it. That's it. Uh, Stelle Lefty,
tell your boyfriend. I said, what up? I'm a big fan.
He knows that. I tell him. I love him. He's awesome.
Do you guys you guys do stuff together sometimes?
Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Huh yeah, like like hang out?
Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
No no, no, like like no, I know you do
stuff together. I'm saying, like you guys have done like
interviews and stuff together.
Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Yeah, Well we have a song. We have a song together,
so we do interview on his on whose record? Well,
technically it's both, it's both of ours, but it came
out on my like it's on my EP that I
put out, got it, So it's both of our songs,
but we had to sing the other, which is so fun.
You have to do with him?
Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Well, tell him, I said, hi, And you're awesome and
I can't wait to, you know, see what's happening with
your career. I'm going for you.
Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
I was kind of I know, I'm really glad that
you were honest about that about what well you were like,
you know, I didn't know what you were going to
be like, and you were you were apprehensive. Is that
the word apprehensive?
Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
But it wasn't about It's just the nature of this town.
But this is also why people don't like me, because
I say stuff like that at.
Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Times, but the honesty is really refreshing.
Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Actually, like you know, who sucks. I'm just kidding. I'm
gonna say anybody, Okay, great to see you. We did it.
We did our uh stella Lefty. I'm a big fan,
and next time we'll do this again.
Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
Thank you for having me, Thanks for listening to a
Bobby Cast production.
Host
Bobby Bones
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