July 1, 2026 • 43 mins
SPOILER ALERT: Bobby, Amy, and Eddie dive into a full spoiler-filled breakdown of Maternal Instinct, the true-crime documentary on Netflix. The documentary follows a shocking case in Texas involving a state trooper who pulls over a woman claiming she had just given birth only for the situation to unravel into a disturbing criminal investigation. In this episode, the crew walks through the documentary’s biggest twists, key details, and unanswered questions. They react to the most unsettling moments, debate what they think really happened, and share their theories on how the situation escalated the way it did.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Okay, this is a spoiler review of Maternal Instinct. We
said we were gonna do this podcast. This is full
of spoilers. I'm just saying this over and over again.
In case you stumbled upon this podcast because it automatically
rolled into it and you haven't seen Maternal Instinct on Netflix.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
This is your chance to go away.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Right now because we're gonna do spoilers right now.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Is that right now? Spoilers?
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Good, Yeah, it's good. Do you do spoiler podcasts?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I'm moving Yeah, And I just put real big in
the title so people know. So this show on Netflix,
how it was introduced to me was when I was
slipping through It was a thumbnail. There was a body
cam from a cop pulling a woman over. She was
screaming because she had a baby in her lap. And
then it cuts to the hospital and they're weird it
(00:57):
out because they go, that's not her baby, that's not
her blood. Boom boom, that's it. Amy brings it to
the show and says, you got to watch it. So
we watched it.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Did you do all the reading after about it too? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Me too. So it feels weird to talk about something
so openly because we never do shows like this.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
You all did more research after you watched it.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, wow, well it's such a fascinating store.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
Well this is good for me then, because I didn't
so I want to hear what you guys want. So
it's so effed up because there's this woman who is
from Texas or Oklahoma and it's the it's the border,
so they're constantly in both.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Which one is it? I think it's Texas. Yeah, okay,
So she has this baby. They go to the doctor.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
They bring in that old doctor, the older guy, to
look and see if she has a baby, mm hmm.
And when he walks out of the room and they
have them on camera from a body camp going no,
I didn't come to her vagina. I heard.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah, He's like, she definitely shows no signs of having
a baby.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
How about him having to go down and check, yeah,
and just seeing nothing came out of her and going well,
this is weird.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
Yeah, and that was that took a while to get
the examination because she was remember the first call was
she does not want to get the examination right.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
So and we'll go through the show kind of in order.
They're talking with this dude who is her ex boyfriend,
Did they ever get married Wade? No, and you could
tell Wade they were they.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Never got married, were engaged. I don't know if they
were married.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I don't know that they got married yet because then
she got pregnant. Did they get married?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
No?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Did they get married?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Did you watch it?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Watch it?
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I get married her and way so.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I don't think so. Yeah, No, this would have been
way more tangled. I think he's lucky they weren't married
because he could just like, yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Okay, good point.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
As soon as Wade showed up on screen sitting in
his house and he's got a cowboy hat on inside
black one and he's got a jacket.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
You know, he went through like ten jackets to find
that one, and.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
He's like, is it hot in here?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
And a cowboy hat?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
But also I think he was just so nervous he's
about to publicly show kinda what a idiotos, which you know,
I hate saying that, poor Wade, but also not poor Wad,
because you you were sleeping next to a woman who
was faking pregnant for months, and you never saw her
naked or never said let me touch your stomach.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
I didn't think about to see your naked part anything.
They weren't doing anything, because I get it, Well, you
could have sex and the lights be off, sure, but
but you're on a prosthetic.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
They weren't they he admitted, they weren't physically intimate. They
weren't anything. But you don't have enough suspicion in your
mind to where you're like, huh, all right, that's it.
I'm going to walk in on her peeing shower. I
don't do that even, or roll over.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
In the bed and be like, do you know why
I thought the no sex thing or maybe the sex
thing was happening. There are stories of people who faked
being a sex like if it's a dude, they're faking
as a woman, wait what and they're having sex with
the person, but they're always just doing mouth stuff or whatever,
and so the person never actually thinks anything about it.
So there are ways to hide that because the lights
(04:07):
are off. So I didn't think about that because I
thought maybe she was just doing other stuff to him.
And also when you're pregnant, you just don't want to
do that. Yeah, for a lot of the pregnancy. I mean,
he even told his buddy that they hadn't done it
in house or months but that to me didn't feel crazy.
If she's pregnant and feeling sick and not feeling good,
(04:28):
I get that. That's why to me that never stuck
out when you're saying that it does. But that's why
to me, if she's pregnant, I never thought much about it,
because everybody's pregnancy affects them differently. Sometimes you just you
don't want to do anything right. You can be so sick.
My wife was so sick for months that there's no way.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
But I guarantee you there's a time even in those months,
even when she's sick, where like you're married, you walk
around your house like even if you have a sports
like you don't have to be fully naked. But you know,
she has a real belly.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I hear you on that part.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I just didn't think anything about the sex part because
I thought he would just think.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
That's an easy excuse. Yeah, you know what I thought
is feeling the stomach, Like he never felt the stomach.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Well, but there was she had a thing where it
would kick.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
There was a video that she showed because she was
doing all the social media of her going like how
pregnant I am, which, by the way, she had bought
a fake stomach online.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yes, okay, but also, can we back up to the
part where this woman there's this girl, Taylor, right, Taylor,
she had a full hysterectomy prior prior, so she's publicly
putting online Like how delusional do you have to be
to know that there are doctors, nurses, and friends in
(05:44):
your town that know you have a hysterectomy and you
have the audacity to post online that you're pregnant.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
The doctors were in though, and they were saying, we
knew she wasn't pregnant and hippa, but they can't say anything.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
But did she disclosed that her friends that she had
had is.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yes, yes, but there I think that at that point
they just wanted nothing to do with her, so or
at least this is the story I told myself, is like,
if I'm a friend that knew, It's like, do I
really want to stir this pot? Like she's crazy? I
finally have her out of my life. I want to
keep her out of my life because she had a
friend that was pregnant, Like, and this brend is in
(06:22):
the documentary, and she started acting really weird towards that
pregnant friend, and that's where the friend was like red flags,
red flags, like I don't want anything to do with you.
So later she pops up online. You already got her
out of your life. She's pretending to be pregnant. You
probably are just like whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I didn't think much about her having the hysterectomy and
her friends knowing because of my mind. I guess I
assumed that she didn't share that with everybody because the
doctors were on going. We knew, but we couldn't say anything,
and maybe the other people did, but they never put
that in the documentary. The those people that knew her,
they were never saying, yeah, we knew she had to
hys direct to me.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
They were just the best friend did just one friend,
one friend that she didn't talk to me even that
one friend. There's another friend in the friend group, and
you know, probably in their close circle, they probably are like, God,
this is crazy. She has a hysterectomy, but.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
They know her already is.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
But it's not. It's not a It wasn't a big,
obviously widely known story or her situation until till later,
till the crime was committed, so no crime had been committed,
so probably in the small town. They gossiped like there's
no way she's really pregnant. But it's like, doesn't that
get back to Wade.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
The social media of her having that belly in it
kicking and she posted or look at it kick and
it's doing that?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Is that some sort of belly with a motor in it?
I think?
Speaker 5 (07:39):
So, like they even do that with those fake bellies,
And what would that be used for other than this scenario?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
A movie? Oh yeah, probably like just a movie prop probably,
or a.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Joke costume, yeah, like a yeah, costume for a movie or.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Play or like a Because it was almost like watching
a magic trick. I was like, how is she doing that?
She's like, look at it, it's kicking.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
She was so used to lying her whole life about
so many things that you know. The part that got
me to about Wayde is like how she had these
people who have multiple phones or they're texting people as
multiple characters in the story, and how they keep up
(08:25):
with it because there's other stories not just her where
they people. It fascinates me how they're able to keep
up with five different characters, different cell phone numbers, different texts,
and they even text while you're with the person, and
they would never think that it's you and you're you
have all these identities, like how do they keep it
all straight? It's almost like they're crazy but brilliant.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I was thinking about that, and I wondered how I
would do it, and I figured that by all the phones,
I would just trade look at what I had said
before and remind myself what character I was then, because
every phone was different. Okay, if I had to do
it from one phone and go to differ accounts, and
now people get caught burner accounts, yeah, because they don't
switch back over to their real account, I'd probably fall
(09:04):
that way. Okay, but yeah, you're right. She had all
these identities that she was faking in her story her mom, she.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Was any millions of dollars, which honestly, I think that's
what Wade won it, Like Wade wanted his ranch, like.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Ray Wade was spending money.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Wade was like, Okay, I'm going to get a new truck.
But then what about the time where she bought Wade's
mom a car and dropped it off. It was literally
like I bought you.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
A car and then Facebook.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
However, what like a week later or however long Wade's
mom is like, yeah, they showed up and were like,
this car hasn't been paid for, Like, how do you
think you're going to get? Like why what?
Speaker 5 (09:43):
I think?
Speaker 1 (09:43):
It's all you wanted instant. You don't think about what's
going to happen in the future. Otherwise you wouldn't really
do any of this.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
You're right, You're right because it's fantasy. Because when you
get to that point where you're like, oh my gosh,
now I have to keep this up, you go to
these measures of like I have to do anything I
can to make this somewhat not be Alie.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Well, they didn't talk about a lot. And the thing
that Caitlyn and I kept talking about was and they
brought her up a little bit, but she had already
had kids, a kid.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
They were at the gender reveal walking out with.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
The donkey or the pony or whatever with the red
bow on its neck, but they didn't really focus on that.
Wade had said in one of those interviews, Yeah, and
she'd had kids before, so I believed her when she
was talking about what we needed because she was pregnant.
So we already has kids and she's doing all this
and she already had, like why are they not being
(10:36):
taken care of? And so then I wonder like, who
has her kids? Did they not say who has her kids?
I don't think it was.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
They were obviously she had them at she had split custody.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Some points, because her her real mom eventually came out
right and making that up.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah she did. And I think she confirmed like none
of that because she pinned a lot of things on
her mom and her mom was like, no, that's.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Not me because her her well, didn't her mom have
her kids.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
That's what I'm thinking she was worried about if she
said something about what she was doing, that she would unleash,
like have it on her and get the kids taken
away from him.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
That's good leverage, Like that's psychotic. Yep, strong leverage.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
So so.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Okay, she they go backward first, so at the very
beginning of the show, they're like, oh the baby. They
go to the hospital doctor, there's nothing came out of
that vagina. And so then they start to talk to
folks and friends and she's pregnant. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
I couldn't. It was one of those I couldn't predict it.
As I was going I had a couple of ideas.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
But so it's rolling through and you're starting to see
and then you're starting to I pin it on everybody.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
At one point during the show, I thought everybody did something.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
See that, to me is a good documentary when you
start thinking that anyone can do something.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
And then she wants to be a photographer, and so
she just creates her ow little photography company. But you know,
it was interesting. They had that other boss of hers
in she was sitting behind her desk. I forget what
kind of a staffing company or something, and she had
came only worked there for a bit. But then in
her time there, she started impersonating that ball, like using her.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
But she seemed like she really liked her like that.
Everyone Yeah, they're like, yeah, I mean she's they would
I guess she had lost a child. Yeah, they bonded
over something, so then she felt like this connection to her.
And yeah, after she got fired and she left, they
were going through stuff. She was like, wait a second,
you were impersonating me.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
So that's happening.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You're starting to see a lot of the You're starting
to see a lot of the people start to dislike her. Slowly,
they're unraveling how people started to distrust.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
When they introduced characters, Everyone's like, we love she shed,
the party was the best, she was pretty, she and
then they hit you with, well, when she was younger,
she was extremely overweight and she had the sleeve I
believe is what it was.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
So you started to see, Okay, now she's dealing with
something emotionally where she doesn't want to be whatever version
she was, and now she's starting to do anything and
everything she possibly can do to not be what she
wasn't proud of, which was what she was. And so
they would talk about how pretty she was and her
Instagram and how fun she was, and but everybody started
(13:26):
to get a little sour on her. Her friends that
were talking about her nice to beginning documentary not so
nice and way good guy by the way, good guys
maybe not the smartest, but good guy is just from
what we can tell, she's just a simple dude.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Wanted a ranch. There's questions about the ranch.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
While they're faking all the money that that she was
getting from her grandparents oil oil money, and when they
were buying the ranch, she was like, are there.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Hogs on it?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
The real estate people that were selling the ranch are like, yeah,
they would always get contacted after business.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Hours and like all these weird things, voice a voice
changing her uncle, like her uncle Tuxy or what.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I don't even know his name was Fu or something.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
And so obviously they didn't have the money. They faked
the money for they she faked the money for everything.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
But they spent.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Yeah, they spent a lot of money. He was buying
you know what are they go side by sides and
I mean new trucks. It was all the family money
they were getting. Gosh, that's crazy that Christmas video that
somebody took because she was like holding court with all
the family around her.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
She's like, this is where we're moving. We're buying this
ranch like that that was her drug right there.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
M Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
And there's this one guy in that scene. I don't know,
maybe a cousin. Did y'all notice him. He's sitting on
the couch and he's sort of like oh. She was
like what, Okay, we're listening to the story about con
Bind for thirty minutes and everyone's like, we're changing the
name from Convin.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
So I think he was just like, yeah, okay, we're
happy for y'all, but it's like, Okay, let's move on.
You can tell he either was just annoyed or he
knew like something just doesn't seem right, So you.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
May have telp me with the timeline here. She had
started her own photography business. But when they called that
photographer who did western photography when they did those pictures,
did that inspire her to do more photography and that's
how it went? Or did she already go and do
the photography at that wedding for that one girl.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
I think she'd already done this photography, So then.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Why did she called?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
How did the other girl get involved in the other
photographers because she spent time with them?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah? I think because she wanted her own pictures taken and.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
The other photographer was saying that something was weird about that's.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah, that's what I'm wondering, Like, how did that real
photographer get in the documentary just because she spent time
with them?
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Yeah, I thought something was wrong and she noticed something
during the photo session of just like it's it's just weird.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
But she also went home and told her husband like
how cool they were. Yeah, I think that it was
just part of like for me, I took that as
painting more of the picture of like just how far
she was going to take this pregnancy thing doing a
full blown maternity shoot on horses and like got this
big belly like her belly in the maternity pictures, Like
(16:20):
that was that prosthetic? Like it looked she was very
pregnant at that point.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
How crazy when they go to the internet shot of
her looking to find a sonogram in the different sonograms
to buy off the internet and search and the websites
are funny prank that's why you buy those. And it
was all those sonograms that you which that's.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Where a lot of people are making the connection, which
y'all aren't listening to. But Love Trapped is the other
podcast that involves faking a pregnancy in sonograms. And it's
kind of crazy. What what women or men will the
links they will go to make something convincing, like altering
(16:59):
using like what what's the that where you can hire
assistance like five if you're to her a fiver, Okay,
it's it's where you can just get an assistant to
do anything for you. You need photoshopping, you need documents, draws, No,
they're like legit, they're like giving you a hand like
a high five. I think like five, like no.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Problem with going to help you.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
It's a real yes, a real person, Like right now,
I'm like it is going to help you. And I'm
like thinking, like you get a fiver notification in your
email from someone that's like, hey, can you doctor this
ultrasound for me?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yet?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Question?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Is that what they did?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
What?
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yeah, that's it's one of the things.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
That because I knew she ordered from that website.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Well, I mean, I don't know if it's what she did,
but it's a thing where if you don't know how
to photoshop it yourself, like they're outsourcing it.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
I thought she used an older one like from her
maybe her other baby, her other babies, because the date
the day.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
But then she went, didn't she go to a website
where they showed you all the fake sonograms you can
buy and it's like play a prank and you could
buy all from different ye different stages of the of
the Yeah, because she got caught with the wrong date
on one of them correct, which may have been her
old one. But I just remember seeing that website that
brought up of all the fakesonograms, thinking the person that
built this site knows that sixty to seventy percent of
(18:17):
these aren't being used for pranks, right, But that's how
they can. Actually you have to market it is a
prank site, but a lot of people, most people probably
are buying them on lying about it.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
That's crazy and doing scam types.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
WHI to your point, now, I get that maybe the
if you get a fiver notification to alter that, they
could position like I'm trying to prank my family and
then you're like, oh, okay.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
Fun, the Bobby Cast will be right back, wow, and
we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
So she got a fake belly, she got a faxonogram.
Wade believes they're having a kid. Wade does not love her.
Wade does like he never told her he loved her, No,
their whole time.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
No, but he loves the miranch.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
And he loves that she's getting all that family money
and she's now she's now doing photography. And she goes
and she does photography at this wedding of this girl
hires her and they were talking about just you know,
how magnetic she was. What was her name, the main girl, Taylor,
Taylor Taylor's name, how magnetic Taylor was As a person,
(19:26):
because the people at the wedding were saying, yeah, Taylor
wasn't a lot of our selfies, Like she was like
just part of the group.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
We hired as a photographer. But she was just part
of the group.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
And so that happens. They talk about it, and then
they go away from it because then after that it's
that other photogh, real photographer, and they're talking about things.
And then one of the neighbors sees Taylor out and
she's kind of skinny, and she says she didn't even
look pregnant to be nine months, but then she went
(19:57):
ten months pregnant. Then she got like ten and a
half months pregnant. She was never having the baby, yes,
which is unheard of. She said she was just didn't
look pregnant. So maybe she just crapped out on warn
the belly.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
She hadn't ordered it yet, Oh she hadn't.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I don't think at some point she had a big belly, though.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
I felt like she just slipped.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
I like she just took it off. She had one on.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
So it's ten, she's ten and a half months pregnant,
she has no baby. She does not look pregnant anymore.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
So is that when the parents started thinking, and the
aunt and all the family members of Wade. Wade's family
members were like, hey, man, like something's not right. Because
at one point they come out and be like, dude,
you've got to you got to understand this isn't fake.
She's not really pregnant, and he didn't believe it.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
The feel's about that time when they started talking about
that the camouflage.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Guy, the camouflage guy, and then I believe his mom
or somebody.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
And then speaking of that friend, I'm glad Wade has
him for sure, you know, because he's sort of backed away.
He did the right thing. He said a boundary, like hey,
I'm out, like you're this is gonna be your life.
I can't be part of it. But then once everything
went down and so many people were likely turning their
back on Wade in the family because like, oh yeah,
this is crazy, that friend showed back up. I was like,
(21:18):
that's a good friend. He's like, you know, took him in,
talked about how you embraced them, because yeah, your heart
breaks for people going through that people.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
She sends a text to Wade say hey, go meet
this guy three hours away.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Yeah, she needed Wade to go on and busy.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, it's from one of brother phones. Hey we got
we got the hogs. Go get the hogs. So Wade's
got a trailer driving up to Oklahoma, I think to
get these hogs. Drives off because she's like, I'm going
to the hospital because I think I'm gonna have the baby,
and Wade it's like, I'll go.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
She goes, No, you need to get the hogs first because.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
It's too much money.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah, you're going to pass up. Yeah, And so Wade's
up and Wade meets the guy and the guy's like,
I didn't text you.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
Yeah, I didn't. That's not me.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
That's not me. He was like, wait, what what about
this number? That ain't me?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
And I think that then Wade already knew she did.
It was nuts, right, he had to know a little bit.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
I think that there's some denial when you've invested that
much into somebody and you're inner relationship, Like all the
signs can be there, but you've got this veil over
you and you can't. Like part of you probably wants
to see it, but you're in denial because you're like, no, no, no,
this can't be true because then what would that say?
About me, So you don't want it to be true
because I think he was in denial.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
So they.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
The bill was listened, they show they show way go ahh,
I guess that's kind of what I knew. And so
he's driving back and in this time, Crazy the woman
that was getting married that she was the photographer for.
She goes into rights into her house, goes under her house,
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cuts her stomach open, cuts the baby out inmbilical cord
and all, and takes off toward the hospital with the
baby to then act like she had the baby in
the car. The girl died and her sister is being
interviewed the whole time from the wedding. Her little sister, Yeah,
the dark she had the black shirt on, right. I
(23:19):
never connected the two. I just thought she was someone
who was adding texture the whole time. And I think
that's probably what they assumed most people would do.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
But no, But so Taylor had also gone over there
like the night before. Yes, she was there the night
to hang out, and I'm probably like, assess the situation.
What was she going. She knew she was going to
come back the next day and take cut the baby out,
but she went and hung out within the night before,
just like they're all friends and nobody was the wiser
(23:47):
like that. She wasn't acting weird. I don't think anybody
was suspicious of anything.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
You wouldn't be. No, she's just Taylor.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Well yeah, but if you I'm thinking the girl that
was in the selfies at the way right, well, right,
I guess if I know I'm committing that kind of
crime the following morning, I'm not acting normal, like I'm
showing up to hang out and it says and I'm
gonna be there's gonna be signs.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, but that's because you're rational and you're worried about stuff.
Irrational people don't worry about things rational people worry about.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Right, So that's the psychopath.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
She googled how to do a C section?
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Right, Yeah, but there was and and you know, there
was a struggle I saw like I don't know if
this is something I saw in the documentary or read after,
but that like what I can't think of her name
right now, Reagan.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, I think that's the victim.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yes, she.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
To be.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
You think you're letting in a friend so you don't
have your guard up, and then suddenly your friend starts
attacking you and she put up a fight, and.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
We you got shocked by the blood in the picture
they showed yes.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yes, but Taylor was having to use like, yes, she
had the knife, but so she had to use like
a gender review old jar or something from a baby
shower and like knocked her with that jar. And I
don't know, like I think the scene probably was really chaotic.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
And then.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
She had to get her to a point where she
could keep her still enough, like injure her enough to
where she could keep her still enough to cut the stomach.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Or could you not kill her? And then the baby's
not gonna direct?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
But I wondered was her planned? I guess she had
to her okay, because I was thinking, was there a
way to do it where there's not.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
A great plan because she's going to die. She still
left her there, so everyone was gonna.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Know that's right, you're right. I wasn't sorry. I don't
I don't think like a murderer like that, Like why
couldn't she just have cut the baby out and then spared.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
But that on the kitchen floor without blood loss? The
blood loss, yeah, regardless, and she she gets murdered by
the woman that she hired. The pictures of her wedding. Okay,
so then she takes the baby.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Well, but the reason why, it's not like she became
the photographer that wedding to end up doing this. It's
because she was desperate and how to come up with
a plan and she started thinking, who in my life
do I know or who can I come upon that
has a baby where I can commit this act? And
it just so happened to be that girl. Like it
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wasn't like part of a big master well thought out
It was a very I'm pretty sure they even show
her it's a computer like on Facebook, like trying to
be like, hmmm, who's pregnant that I know right now?
Because I got to get a baby?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
The baby died?
Speaker 5 (26:37):
So what was the play here, like to she knew
the baby was gonna die or didn't think the baby
would die?
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I didn't think she cared. Yeah, as long as she
had a baby.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
So then I don't know if they addressed this. But
did she call the cops? Does she get pulled over?
Sheet pulled over?
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Right?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
But did she call and say?
Speaker 3 (26:54):
I don't know which came first? I couldn't tell. I
don't know if y'all could clarify but I know she
was on the phone with nine to one one saying
I had a baby. Then I don't know if because
of that cops then were like, oh, we're on this
highway or they saw her driving erratically, because I know
when they pulled her over, she was already on the
phone with nine one one. Yeah, So I don't know
which came first. Was she already on nine with one
(27:17):
driving erratically? And then also the police are like, oh,
or did the police start to pull her over? And
she's like, oh, I better call nine one one to
make this look more legit.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
She called nine one one, right, she was getting pulled out.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Okay, that's the answer. So she was driving radically they
pulled her over. See, she's always thinking.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
She's always thinking, Oh, she's only thinking about right now current,
because if you murder somebody instill their baby, eventually you're
going to jail.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Like there's no long term.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Everything she was doing was for the instant gratification of
what she needed right in that moment, and that's through
the history of this whole show.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Right, You're right, she's not thinking about the future.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
You're in survival mode. She's thinking like, Okay, what's my
next play. But that's like she's so delusional but also thinking,
because like I would be like, okay, I'm getting pulled over,
and I would just be like I just delivered this baby.
But she's like, well, I better get on nine a
month because it's gonna be more believable.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
And every lie was covered by a new lie to
to you know, stack on top of one another.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
And I don't know if this is the case, but
which hospital did she get the hysterectomy at? And that
why she was so insistent on going to a particular
hospital because she knew she couldn't go to the hospital
where she had the hystorrectory point because she was she
was definitely saying, I need to be taken to this hospital.
I need to go to this hospital. But it's but
(28:33):
it had to be because other people at the other
hospital knew, like they wouldn't even need to do an exam,
maybe like here's her records.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
And then she knows right that, like once she gets
to the hospital, it's going to end.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
But that's the thing, she's never thinking about what happens
when it's always right now, how do I make it
out of this situation?
Speaker 3 (28:52):
I mean, she had the placenta with her.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
So it's very much a survival mentality always. So it's
never three steps, now, what's gonna happen, it's how do
I get out of this right this second.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
I'll deal with the next one later right.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
And I don't think she's thinking. I think once they
cops started to really realize, oh, we have a situation,
is because they got a call about the murder and
a woman whose baby was removed from her, and they're like, well,
wait a second, we got the cops the hospital.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
The cop was ware when he pulled her over with a.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Baby and there was just a murder with a baby taken.
They're like, oh, and then you see the documentary shows
the nurses footage. They're like, this is not good.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I didn't think about the cop though, because if the
cop already knew there was a murder when he pulled.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Her over, well I don't know that he knew at
that point.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
That cop that okay, but that cop was not mister
I'm going in to help you. He was no, not really.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
He was like, I can't do anything. We have to
call an ambulance. Yeah, because he knew the baby was dead.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Okay, but all are telling me something good we do
on our show, the cops like in their knuckles deep
doing something with a baby, like trying to save a
baby the cop. That cop was not like that when
he pulled her over a good point, and I thought
that it was weird because then you see the ambulance
woo come up because the CoP's like, man, I can't
help you. We're gonna have to get an ambulance here.
I believe that's what he said.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
It seemed like the demeanor of the scene, they were
acting as if they believed her. I didn't get the
impression that they were just like, oh, she might be lying.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Let's just I got the impression that the cop was
not jumping in to which I feel most would because
they are trained for emergency medical. This cop was not
like that at all, and I thought it was weird
At first. I thought that's not a good cop. Yeah,
that was my thought when he first said that. But
there had to have been something known. And again, sometimes
these documentaries don't want you to know, so they purposely
(30:36):
will leave that out. Mike, what do you think about that?
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Yeah, he did seem kind of weird, like cold, almost, Yeah,
like I'm not going to do anything, we got to
call an ambulance, and they're medically trained police officers are.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, so that was probably the first looking back, we'd
probably go, oh, I think that's the first clue that
it's crazier than we think.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
But then once she got to the hot when the
detectives got to the hospital or the police department got
to the hospital, the nurses met the police outside and said, yeah,
she just doesn't want to get exammed, and he was like, okay,
that's interesting, and then he walks in that all doesn't Yep,
that's true. So I don't know if they connected it
the murder with her being there immediately. I think once
(31:21):
they were interviewing her, they got word like there's a murder.
If you watch it back, though, you'll be taking it back.
And how that cop was not helpful. Yes, oh, I
don't know if I want to watch that back.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Yeah, I'm not going to go.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Back because I didn't interpret it as what I'm thinking
it was now. But now he was so not helpful
that I think he was not helpful for a reason
because again, most cops are trained for emergencies, medical situations.
How do we save the baby? He said, I can't
help you. We gotta wait for an ambulance.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
I guess if you pull up to her and you
see the baby's already dead, you assume maybe she did something,
But try to save the baby.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
If you're not, I know, that's what I'm thinking, like
a little unless.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
You're one hundred percent sure, you're probably given that baby CPR.
What about a small town cop you're still try I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I just thinking back, I feel different about it than
when I do when I watched it the first time,
going that CoP's kind of cold. Now I think there's
probably some motivation for that coldness.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
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Speaker 5 (32:28):
I do remember Mike in refreshed memory, my memory, but
I do think that they found out that there was
a murder with a baby stolen from another from a
house when they were interviewing her, because they pulled the
detective out and be like, hey, in the hospital, that's
what I was. So they didn't know immediately, and then
they knew at the.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Hospital because that's when, yeah, they started to be like, oh, shoot.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
This is that, and that's when she's just I mean
her back's against the wall.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
What do you mean? What do you mean? Of course
I had the baby.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
This baby came out of you.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
She said? She's now fast forward. Some of the post
stuff that I've seen is in prison. She has pitched
herself as an in house crime consultant from prison, like telling,
you know, I don't know who you tell, Like, I
guess looking for a way out early, Like, you know,
if you cooperate and help the police solve other crimes.
(33:27):
So she's like, look, I'm a really good liar and
manipulator and I can help you. But in that same vein,
she also has now said that she was kidnapped by
some gangster.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Oh I saw the thing where she was trying to
like maybe trying to get murdered in prison. I think
she's done a lot of lives. What's you're lie?
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Okay, All of this she didn't do on her own.
She was forced to do it by this guy in
a gang that had kidnapped her at some point and
then set up this whole thing of what she had
to do. And if she didn't do it, yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
Mean then surprised me. I mean, someone that lies for
their whole life, like it's not going to stop after
they get arrested.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
There was one too, where I think she blamed her
mat who she didn't for trying to kill her. And
then also what they didn't say in the documentary was
she had faked pregnancies before.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Oh really, I knew she had faked. She had faked
other ailments, like.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Oh, they'd say that documentary, she faked cancer, she faked
she she just wanted attention, like there's some real deep
rooted mental illness. I'm surprised that she did not, because
that's so crazy. What what all that that happened, Every
every bit of that is so crazy. That's somebody who's
clinically insane.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
You cannot be.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
That's not evil for the sake of gaining something that's
your brain is hurt. You're you're off, you're off.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
But didn't you just say that it's to make her
feel better about things? Like yeah, but you know what,
I want to feel better about things. I'm insecure about
a lot of things. I don't go and cut a
baby out of somebody. I don't fake cancer.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I think there was so much here that I don't
feel that her brain is right. I was to be
surprised she didn't get insanity.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
It's like, up until that point, it's like, Okay, she's
a pathological liar. Like that's one thing to be someone
that lies a lot, and then it's next to now
your lies are leading you to.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
That double murder, murder of an adult, murder of a baby.
And if you're just a pathological liar, you probably have
a limit. You hit where you're going. I need to
lie better, but not I need to murder to cover
my lie. I was so surprised she didn't get insanity.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
Did you guys think you would get there? Like, did
you think she would kill? Nope, try to rip a
baby out of a mom. I started to think she
was going to take the baby out of her friend
or no, kidnap the baby. That's what I thought, not stab.
I never thought stab and ripped the baby out of someone.
I thought she might kidnap a baby from somebody, including
(36:04):
her friend they were talking about earlier. I thought that's
what the documentary was pointing us towards.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yeah, because at one point they were like, we're on
high alert.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
They said that where Mike in the one of the
hospitals they were like, yeah, oh, because she might come
still a baby, we're on high alert, that's right.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I wouldn't be surprised if it was her, So I
never thought it was, especially because it wasn't a throwaway.
It was more of a texture to her life when
she was a photographer for a wedding that was just
kind of a throw away during it, just a little
texture piece.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Like showing what she does for a living and how
people liked her.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah, how easily people were drawn to her.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I mean those people have to I mean, oh my gosh,
that poor family.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
I can't her husband to tell you her husband didn't
get the inn. He did an interview right like he
was am I, which is great, the husband of the victim.
But I can't believe that Homer, yeah, something like that.
But I can't believe the victim's mom talked so much
about that, Like that would be so hard if that
was my daughter.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Very I think what you probably do in that situation
is go, if I don't tell the version of the
story that I have, it's never going to be told.
And that's why you do it, not for any sort
of I want to be on TV.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
But I don't think her side of the story needs
any explanation.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
I know.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
I think it highlighted who her daughter was as a
person in her sweet spirit.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
And you want people to know that person as a person,
not just a victim. Interesting and that's why her sister
or sister. I think her sister, if she saw her now,
she just stabber and kill her dead right now, for sure,
because she's pissed. And she's like, you know, we're taught
to forgive. What did she say, Like, you can ask
for forgiveness before you die. I'll never forgive you. You
(37:43):
got to get that from Jesus something to that effect.
He wouldn't even be good enough for her.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Yeah, that's what she said.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
M hm. She said, I talked to my preacher and
he's like, you don't have to forgive. You know, if
she wants forgiveness, it's to Jesus. Didn't have to be
through you.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Something like that. That was a messed up show.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
Though I didn't think it'd get that bad. I didn't
think it would get that bad either, And I blame Amy.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
It was a really well put together documentary because I
never pointed and go I bet this is it.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
Nope, never and Amy, when you said, it was the
craziest documentary you've ever seen. It's the craziest. I don'
want to apologize. I didn't think that, like, there's no way,
there's no way it could be that crazy. But I
finished that documentary and said the same thing you said,
that's the craziest thing I've ever seen, Mike.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Anything we left out, No, I was just reading more
about some of the things they left out about her.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, what do you have?
Speaker 4 (38:36):
She had like psychotic issues before, but they didn't really
address in the documentary.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Do they specifically say in that she had had.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Like treatment for psychiatric issues, had some diagnosises.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
You're right, man, the fact that insanity was never a thing,
it's pretty.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Surprising if I was that family though, I don't wonder.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Oh, you definitely don't.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Her brain was broken. She wasn't.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Selfishly pursuing a better life. Her brain was so broken
that I think she believed she started to believe a
lot of the stuff that she was also lying about.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Do you think so, I do.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
You don't think it was just to get her out
of whatever lie she told before. I think that's part
I do think that's a part of it too. But
there's a difference in somebody who's just a pathological liar
that's doing it for just personal monetary gain and a
delvy right. I don't think her brain was broken. I
think she saw an easy way to get something really cool.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
And she could manipulate well. I mean, some people have
that gift.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
I feel like this girl is clinically insane, because you
don't murder and rip a baby out of somebody. But
now she's in prison, she's on death row, the youngest
person on death throw in Texas.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yep, you think it's obviously it's a woman.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
Pretty hard for her to like just say, admit she
lied about anything her whole life.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
I wonder if she does that. Probably, I wonder if
she does admit now any lies at all. I didn't
see any of that, there's no way.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
But when you're that delusional, I wonder if she's, like, wait,
what I did last some of that?
Speaker 1 (40:13):
You lie so much you start to think it's true.
Anything else you see up there mic that we didn't
talk about.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
Yeah, it.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Was a very compelling. It's weird to say entertaining, but
I was entertained by it, and then I just felt
weird after it. But it was a really well put
together documentary that I was surprised I didn't know the
story because that's soft up and you would have thought
that had been a bigger news story.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
When did that happen?
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Amy twenty twenty one.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
So COVID dancing with COVID time. Yeah, and close to us? Yeah,
not far at all. I drive through I mean, we
don't drive through New Boston when we go to Texas.
But I see the sign exit here for New Boston.
It's not like it's an Olympia Washington.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
No far regionally from us where we would if it's
a big, big enough story, we get it. But that's
almost like in our area especially we're all from Texas
and Arkansas and Caitlyn's from Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Like none of that stuff ever came over to us.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
So any final thoughts, I just probably spent a little
too much time thinking about Wade. Yeah, I mean I
grieve for the other family, but he I obviously I
agree for that family, like that's horrible, but I just
like when they show him at the end kind of
feeding his animals and he's walking by himself.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
I just and I think it was Wade's mom maybe
or someone else, like Waye's always going to be known
as the guy. Yeah that was with the girl who
murdered the woman and stole the baby out of the woman.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
I feel bad for Wade.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Yeah, it's like a weird I guess the probably the
reason why I focus on that, it's obvious to me.
I feel bad for the victim's family, Like my heart
breaks for them. That is a no brainer. I'm a
little perplexed, perplexed at my feelings I have about Wade
he too, because I'm like, how did you not know? Yeah,
some or any but I feel for him, And I'm
like that feels weird because I understand why I feel
(42:07):
for the other people. I don't quite know why I
feel for Wait, the.
Speaker 5 (42:11):
Fact that someone like her was out there makes me wonder.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
If the next person you hire for an event, And
he Alway.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Says that in the documentary. She goes, I can't hire
a photographer. She's crying, but she's like, can't.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
I don't want to hire potographer for my own wedding
because of what happened there.
Speaker 5 (42:28):
Yeah, And like you meet new friends all the time
and you're just like, now, like I wonder what kind
of person this is what if I'm not even left handed?
Speaker 3 (42:35):
All has been a lie? You never know or like
you know you start. I mean, y'all aren't dating, but
like I.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Makes you think like.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
You don't know when you go on a date with somebody.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Yeah, if you listen to this, you probably watched it.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
So you know.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
If you listen to this or watch this and you
haven't watched it one.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Night, now you know. Now you know you don't have
to watch it.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Okay, that's our spoiler. What are you calling spoiler review?
They're called the spoiler review.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Four and a half out of five overall for the product,
four and a half out of five. Great job by
the filmmaker's great job f her. I'm sorry for their families.
I think that's what we'll end on. Thank you everybody
for watching and listening.
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Okay, this is a spoiler review of Maternal Instinct. We
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In case you stumbled upon this podcast because it automatically
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Right now because we're gonna do spoilers right now.
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Is that right now? Spoilers?
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Yes?
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I'm moving Yeah, And I just put real big in
the title so people know. So this show on Netflix,
how it was introduced to me was when I was
slipping through It was a thumbnail. There was a body
cam from a cop pulling a woman over. She was
screaming because she had a baby in her lap. And
then it cuts to the hospital and they're weird it
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out because they go, that's not her baby, that's not
her blood. Boom boom, that's it. Amy brings it to
the show and says, you got to watch it. So
we watched it.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Did you do all the reading after about it too? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Me too. So it feels weird to talk about something
so openly because we never do shows like this.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
You all did more research after you watched it.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, wow, well it's such a fascinating store.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
Well this is good for me then, because I didn't
so I want to hear what you guys want. So
it's so effed up because there's this woman who is
from Texas or Oklahoma and it's the it's the border,
so they're constantly in both.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Which one is it? I think it's Texas. Yeah, okay,
So she has this baby. They go to the doctor.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
They bring in that old doctor, the older guy, to
look and see if she has a baby, mm hmm.
And when he walks out of the room and they
have them on camera from a body camp going no,
I didn't come to her vagina. I heard.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah, He's like, she definitely shows no signs of having
a baby.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
How about him having to go down and check, yeah,
and just seeing nothing came out of her and going well,
this is weird.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
Yeah, and that was that took a while to get
the examination because she was remember the first call was
she does not want to get the examination right.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
So and we'll go through the show kind of in order.
They're talking with this dude who is her ex boyfriend,
Did they ever get married Wade? No, and you could
tell Wade they were they.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Never got married, were engaged. I don't know if they
were married.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I don't know that they got married yet because then
she got pregnant. Did they get married?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
No?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Did they get married?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Did you watch it?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Watch it?
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I get married her and way so.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I don't think so. Yeah, No, this would have been
way more tangled. I think he's lucky they weren't married
because he could just like, yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Okay, good point.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
As soon as Wade showed up on screen sitting in
his house and he's got a cowboy hat on inside
black one and he's got a jacket.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
You know, he went through like ten jackets to find
that one, and.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
He's like, is it hot in here?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
And a cowboy hat?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
But also I think he was just so nervous he's
about to publicly show kinda what a idiotos, which you know,
I hate saying that, poor Wade, but also not poor Wad,
because you you were sleeping next to a woman who
was faking pregnant for months, and you never saw her
naked or never said let me touch your stomach.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
I didn't think about to see your naked part anything.
They weren't doing anything, because I get it, Well, you
could have sex and the lights be off, sure, but
but you're on a prosthetic.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
They weren't they he admitted, they weren't physically intimate. They
weren't anything. But you don't have enough suspicion in your
mind to where you're like, huh, all right, that's it.
I'm going to walk in on her peeing shower. I
don't do that even, or roll over.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
In the bed and be like, do you know why
I thought the no sex thing or maybe the sex
thing was happening. There are stories of people who faked
being a sex like if it's a dude, they're faking
as a woman, wait what and they're having sex with
the person, but they're always just doing mouth stuff or whatever,
and so the person never actually thinks anything about it.
So there are ways to hide that because the lights
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are off. So I didn't think about that because I
thought maybe she was just doing other stuff to him.
And also when you're pregnant, you just don't want to
do that. Yeah, for a lot of the pregnancy. I mean,
he even told his buddy that they hadn't done it
in house or months but that to me didn't feel crazy.
If she's pregnant and feeling sick and not feeling good,
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I get that. That's why to me that never stuck
out when you're saying that it does. But that's why
to me, if she's pregnant, I never thought much about it,
because everybody's pregnancy affects them differently. Sometimes you just you
don't want to do anything right. You can be so sick.
My wife was so sick for months that there's no way.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
But I guarantee you there's a time even in those months,
even when she's sick, where like you're married, you walk
around your house like even if you have a sports
like you don't have to be fully naked. But you know,
she has a real belly.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I hear you on that part.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I just didn't think anything about the sex part because
I thought he would just think.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
That's an easy excuse. Yeah, you know what I thought
is feeling the stomach, Like he never felt the stomach.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Well, but there was she had a thing where it
would kick.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
There was a video that she showed because she was
doing all the social media of her going like how
pregnant I am, which, by the way, she had bought
a fake stomach online.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yes, okay, but also, can we back up to the
part where this woman there's this girl, Taylor, right, Taylor,
she had a full hysterectomy prior prior, so she's publicly
putting online Like how delusional do you have to be
to know that there are doctors, nurses, and friends in
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your town that know you have a hysterectomy and you
have the audacity to post online that you're pregnant.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
The doctors were in though, and they were saying, we
knew she wasn't pregnant and hippa, but they can't say anything.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
But did she disclosed that her friends that she had
had is.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yes, yes, but there I think that at that point
they just wanted nothing to do with her, so or
at least this is the story I told myself, is like,
if I'm a friend that knew, It's like, do I
really want to stir this pot? Like she's crazy? I
finally have her out of my life. I want to
keep her out of my life because she had a
friend that was pregnant, Like, and this brend is in
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the documentary, and she started acting really weird towards that
pregnant friend, and that's where the friend was like red flags,
red flags, like I don't want anything to do with you.
So later she pops up online. You already got her
out of your life. She's pretending to be pregnant. You
probably are just like whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I didn't think much about her having the hysterectomy and
her friends knowing because of my mind. I guess I
assumed that she didn't share that with everybody because the
doctors were on going. We knew, but we couldn't say anything,
and maybe the other people did, but they never put
that in the documentary. The those people that knew her,
they were never saying, yeah, we knew she had to
hys direct to me.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
They were just the best friend did just one friend,
one friend that she didn't talk to me even that
one friend. There's another friend in the friend group, and
you know, probably in their close circle, they probably are like, God,
this is crazy. She has a hysterectomy, but.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
They know her already is.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
But it's not. It's not a It wasn't a big,
obviously widely known story or her situation until till later,
till the crime was committed, so no crime had been committed,
so probably in the small town. They gossiped like there's
no way she's really pregnant. But it's like, doesn't that
get back to Wade.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
The social media of her having that belly in it
kicking and she posted or look at it kick and
it's doing that?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Is that some sort of belly with a motor in it?
I think?
Speaker 5 (07:39):
So, like they even do that with those fake bellies,
And what would that be used for other than this scenario?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
A movie? Oh yeah, probably like just a movie prop probably,
or a.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Joke costume, yeah, like a yeah, costume for a movie or.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Play or like a Because it was almost like watching
a magic trick. I was like, how is she doing that?
She's like, look at it, it's kicking.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
She was so used to lying her whole life about
so many things that you know. The part that got
me to about Wayde is like how she had these
people who have multiple phones or they're texting people as
multiple characters in the story, and how they keep up
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with it because there's other stories not just her where
they people. It fascinates me how they're able to keep
up with five different characters, different cell phone numbers, different texts,
and they even text while you're with the person, and
they would never think that it's you and you're you
have all these identities, like how do they keep it
all straight? It's almost like they're crazy but brilliant.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I was thinking about that, and I wondered how I
would do it, and I figured that by all the phones,
I would just trade look at what I had said
before and remind myself what character I was then, because
every phone was different. Okay, if I had to do
it from one phone and go to differ accounts, and
now people get caught burner accounts, yeah, because they don't
switch back over to their real account, I'd probably fall
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that way. Okay, but yeah, you're right. She had all
these identities that she was faking in her story her mom, she.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Was any millions of dollars, which honestly, I think that's
what Wade won it, Like Wade wanted his ranch, like.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Ray Wade was spending money.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Wade was like, Okay, I'm going to get a new truck.
But then what about the time where she bought Wade's
mom a car and dropped it off. It was literally
like I bought you.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
A car and then Facebook.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
However, what like a week later or however long Wade's
mom is like, yeah, they showed up and were like,
this car hasn't been paid for, Like, how do you
think you're going to get? Like why what?
Speaker 5 (09:43):
I think?
Speaker 1 (09:43):
It's all you wanted instant. You don't think about what's
going to happen in the future. Otherwise you wouldn't really
do any of this.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
You're right, You're right because it's fantasy. Because when you
get to that point where you're like, oh my gosh,
now I have to keep this up, you go to
these measures of like I have to do anything I
can to make this somewhat not be Alie.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Well, they didn't talk about a lot. And the thing
that Caitlyn and I kept talking about was and they
brought her up a little bit, but she had already
had kids, a kid.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
They were at the gender reveal walking out with.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
The donkey or the pony or whatever with the red
bow on its neck, but they didn't really focus on that.
Wade had said in one of those interviews, Yeah, and
she'd had kids before, so I believed her when she
was talking about what we needed because she was pregnant.
So we already has kids and she's doing all this
and she already had, like why are they not being
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taken care of? And so then I wonder like, who
has her kids? Did they not say who has her kids?
I don't think it was.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
They were obviously she had them at she had split custody.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Some points, because her her real mom eventually came out
right and making that up.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah she did. And I think she confirmed like none
of that because she pinned a lot of things on
her mom and her mom was like, no, that's.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Not me because her her well, didn't her mom have
her kids.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
That's what I'm thinking she was worried about if she
said something about what she was doing, that she would unleash,
like have it on her and get the kids taken
away from him.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
That's good leverage, Like that's psychotic. Yep, strong leverage.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
So so.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Okay, she they go backward first, so at the very
beginning of the show, they're like, oh the baby. They
go to the hospital doctor, there's nothing came out of
that vagina. And so then they start to talk to
folks and friends and she's pregnant. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
I couldn't. It was one of those I couldn't predict it.
As I was going I had a couple of ideas.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
But so it's rolling through and you're starting to see
and then you're starting to I pin it on everybody.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
At one point during the show, I thought everybody did something.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
See that, to me is a good documentary when you
start thinking that anyone can do something.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
And then she wants to be a photographer, and so
she just creates her ow little photography company. But you know,
it was interesting. They had that other boss of hers
in she was sitting behind her desk. I forget what
kind of a staffing company or something, and she had
came only worked there for a bit. But then in
her time there, she started impersonating that ball, like using her.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
But she seemed like she really liked her like that.
Everyone Yeah, they're like, yeah, I mean she's they would
I guess she had lost a child. Yeah, they bonded
over something, so then she felt like this connection to her.
And yeah, after she got fired and she left, they
were going through stuff. She was like, wait a second,
you were impersonating me.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
So that's happening.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You're starting to see a lot of the You're starting
to see a lot of the people start to dislike her. Slowly,
they're unraveling how people started to distrust.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
When they introduced characters, Everyone's like, we love she shed,
the party was the best, she was pretty, she and
then they hit you with, well, when she was younger,
she was extremely overweight and she had the sleeve I
believe is what it was.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
So you started to see, Okay, now she's dealing with
something emotionally where she doesn't want to be whatever version
she was, and now she's starting to do anything and
everything she possibly can do to not be what she
wasn't proud of, which was what she was. And so
they would talk about how pretty she was and her
Instagram and how fun she was, and but everybody started
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to get a little sour on her. Her friends that
were talking about her nice to beginning documentary not so
nice and way good guy by the way, good guys
maybe not the smartest, but good guy is just from
what we can tell, she's just a simple dude.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Wanted a ranch. There's questions about the ranch.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
While they're faking all the money that that she was
getting from her grandparents oil oil money, and when they
were buying the ranch, she was like, are there.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Hogs on it?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
The real estate people that were selling the ranch are like, yeah,
they would always get contacted after business.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Hours and like all these weird things, voice a voice
changing her uncle, like her uncle Tuxy or what.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I don't even know his name was Fu or something.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
And so obviously they didn't have the money. They faked
the money for they she faked the money for everything.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
But they spent.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Yeah, they spent a lot of money. He was buying
you know what are they go side by sides and
I mean new trucks. It was all the family money
they were getting. Gosh, that's crazy that Christmas video that
somebody took because she was like holding court with all
the family around her.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
She's like, this is where we're moving. We're buying this
ranch like that that was her drug right there.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
M Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
And there's this one guy in that scene. I don't know,
maybe a cousin. Did y'all notice him. He's sitting on
the couch and he's sort of like oh. She was
like what, Okay, we're listening to the story about con
Bind for thirty minutes and everyone's like, we're changing the
name from Convin.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
So I think he was just like, yeah, okay, we're
happy for y'all, but it's like, Okay, let's move on.
You can tell he either was just annoyed or he
knew like something just doesn't seem right, So you.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
May have telp me with the timeline here. She had
started her own photography business. But when they called that
photographer who did western photography when they did those pictures,
did that inspire her to do more photography and that's
how it went? Or did she already go and do
the photography at that wedding for that one girl.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
I think she'd already done this photography, So then.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Why did she called?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
How did the other girl get involved in the other
photographers because she spent time with them?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah? I think because she wanted her own pictures taken and.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
The other photographer was saying that something was weird about that's.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah, that's what I'm wondering, Like, how did that real
photographer get in the documentary just because she spent time
with them?
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Yeah, I thought something was wrong and she noticed something
during the photo session of just like it's it's just weird.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
But she also went home and told her husband like
how cool they were. Yeah, I think that it was
just part of like for me, I took that as
painting more of the picture of like just how far
she was going to take this pregnancy thing doing a
full blown maternity shoot on horses and like got this
big belly like her belly in the maternity pictures, Like
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that was that prosthetic? Like it looked she was very
pregnant at that point.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
How crazy when they go to the internet shot of
her looking to find a sonogram in the different sonograms
to buy off the internet and search and the websites
are funny prank that's why you buy those. And it
was all those sonograms that you which that's.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Where a lot of people are making the connection, which
y'all aren't listening to. But Love Trapped is the other
podcast that involves faking a pregnancy in sonograms. And it's
kind of crazy. What what women or men will the
links they will go to make something convincing, like altering
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using like what what's the that where you can hire
assistance like five if you're to her a fiver, Okay,
it's it's where you can just get an assistant to
do anything for you. You need photoshopping, you need documents, draws, No,
they're like legit, they're like giving you a hand like
a high five. I think like five, like no.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Problem with going to help you.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
It's a real yes, a real person, Like right now,
I'm like it is going to help you. And I'm
like thinking, like you get a fiver notification in your
email from someone that's like, hey, can you doctor this
ultrasound for me?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yet?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Question?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Is that what they did?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
What?
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yeah, that's it's one of the things.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
That because I knew she ordered from that website.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Well, I mean, I don't know if it's what she did,
but it's a thing where if you don't know how
to photoshop it yourself, like they're outsourcing it.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
I thought she used an older one like from her
maybe her other baby, her other babies, because the date
the day.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
But then she went, didn't she go to a website
where they showed you all the fake sonograms you can
buy and it's like play a prank and you could
buy all from different ye different stages of the of
the Yeah, because she got caught with the wrong date
on one of them correct, which may have been her
old one. But I just remember seeing that website that
brought up of all the fakesonograms, thinking the person that
built this site knows that sixty to seventy percent of
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these aren't being used for pranks, right, But that's how
they can. Actually you have to market it is a
prank site, but a lot of people, most people probably
are buying them on lying about it.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
That's crazy and doing scam types.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
WHI to your point, now, I get that maybe the
if you get a fiver notification to alter that, they
could position like I'm trying to prank my family and
then you're like, oh, okay.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
Fun, the Bobby Cast will be right back, wow, and
we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
So she got a fake belly, she got a faxonogram.
Wade believes they're having a kid. Wade does not love her.
Wade does like he never told her he loved her, No,
their whole time.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
No, but he loves the miranch.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
And he loves that she's getting all that family money
and she's now she's now doing photography. And she goes
and she does photography at this wedding of this girl
hires her and they were talking about just you know,
how magnetic she was. What was her name, the main girl, Taylor,
Taylor Taylor's name, how magnetic Taylor was As a person,
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because the people at the wedding were saying, yeah, Taylor
wasn't a lot of our selfies, Like she was like
just part of the group.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
We hired as a photographer. But she was just part
of the group.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
And so that happens. They talk about it, and then
they go away from it because then after that it's
that other photogh, real photographer, and they're talking about things.
And then one of the neighbors sees Taylor out and
she's kind of skinny, and she says she didn't even
look pregnant to be nine months, but then she went
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ten months pregnant. Then she got like ten and a
half months pregnant. She was never having the baby, yes,
which is unheard of. She said she was just didn't
look pregnant. So maybe she just crapped out on warn
the belly.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
She hadn't ordered it yet, Oh she hadn't.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I don't think at some point she had a big belly, though.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
I felt like she just slipped.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
I like she just took it off. She had one on.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
So it's ten, she's ten and a half months pregnant,
she has no baby. She does not look pregnant anymore.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
So is that when the parents started thinking, and the
aunt and all the family members of Wade. Wade's family
members were like, hey, man, like something's not right. Because
at one point they come out and be like, dude,
you've got to you got to understand this isn't fake.
She's not really pregnant, and he didn't believe it.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
The feel's about that time when they started talking about
that the camouflage.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Guy, the camouflage guy, and then I believe his mom
or somebody.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
And then speaking of that friend, I'm glad Wade has
him for sure, you know, because he's sort of backed away.
He did the right thing. He said a boundary, like hey,
I'm out, like you're this is gonna be your life.
I can't be part of it. But then once everything
went down and so many people were likely turning their
back on Wade in the family because like, oh yeah,
this is crazy, that friend showed back up. I was like,
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that's a good friend. He's like, you know, took him in,
talked about how you embraced them, because yeah, your heart
breaks for people going through that people.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
She sends a text to Wade say hey, go meet
this guy three hours away.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Yeah, she needed Wade to go on and busy.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, it's from one of brother phones. Hey we got
we got the hogs. Go get the hogs. So Wade's
got a trailer driving up to Oklahoma, I think to
get these hogs. Drives off because she's like, I'm going
to the hospital because I think I'm gonna have the baby,
and Wade it's like, I'll go.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
She goes, No, you need to get the hogs first because.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
It's too much money.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah, you're going to pass up. Yeah, And so Wade's
up and Wade meets the guy and the guy's like,
I didn't text you.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
Yeah, I didn't. That's not me.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
That's not me. He was like, wait, what what about
this number? That ain't me?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
And I think that then Wade already knew she did.
It was nuts, right, he had to know a little bit.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
I think that there's some denial when you've invested that
much into somebody and you're inner relationship, Like all the
signs can be there, but you've got this veil over
you and you can't. Like part of you probably wants
to see it, but you're in denial because you're like, no, no, no,
this can't be true because then what would that say?
About me, So you don't want it to be true
because I think he was in denial.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
So they.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
The bill was listened, they show they show way go ahh,
I guess that's kind of what I knew. And so
he's driving back and in this time, Crazy the woman
that was getting married that she was the photographer for.
She goes into rights into her house, goes under her house,
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cuts her stomach open, cuts the baby out inmbilical cord
and all, and takes off toward the hospital with the
baby to then act like she had the baby in
the car. The girl died and her sister is being
interviewed the whole time from the wedding. Her little sister, Yeah,
the dark she had the black shirt on, right. I
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never connected the two. I just thought she was someone
who was adding texture the whole time. And I think
that's probably what they assumed most people would do.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
But no, But so Taylor had also gone over there
like the night before. Yes, she was there the night
to hang out, and I'm probably like, assess the situation.
What was she going. She knew she was going to
come back the next day and take cut the baby out,
but she went and hung out within the night before,
just like they're all friends and nobody was the wiser
(23:47):
like that. She wasn't acting weird. I don't think anybody
was suspicious of anything.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
You wouldn't be. No, she's just Taylor.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Well yeah, but if you I'm thinking the girl that
was in the selfies at the way right, well, right,
I guess if I know I'm committing that kind of
crime the following morning, I'm not acting normal, like I'm
showing up to hang out and it says and I'm
gonna be there's gonna be signs.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, but that's because you're rational and you're worried about stuff.
Irrational people don't worry about things rational people worry about.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Right, So that's the psychopath.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
She googled how to do a C section?
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Right, Yeah, but there was and and you know, there
was a struggle I saw like I don't know if
this is something I saw in the documentary or read after,
but that like what I can't think of her name
right now, Reagan.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, I think that's the victim.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yes, she.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
To be.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
You think you're letting in a friend so you don't
have your guard up, and then suddenly your friend starts
attacking you and she put up a fight, and.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
We you got shocked by the blood in the picture
they showed yes.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yes, but Taylor was having to use like, yes, she
had the knife, but so she had to use like
a gender review old jar or something from a baby
shower and like knocked her with that jar. And I
don't know, like I think the scene probably was really chaotic.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
And then.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
She had to get her to a point where she
could keep her still enough, like injure her enough to
where she could keep her still enough to cut the stomach.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Or could you not kill her? And then the baby's
not gonna direct?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
But I wondered was her planned? I guess she had
to her okay, because I was thinking, was there a
way to do it where there's not.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
A great plan because she's going to die. She still
left her there, so everyone was gonna.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Know that's right, you're right. I wasn't sorry. I don't
I don't think like a murderer like that, Like why
couldn't she just have cut the baby out and then spared.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
But that on the kitchen floor without blood loss? The
blood loss, yeah, regardless, and she she gets murdered by
the woman that she hired. The pictures of her wedding. Okay,
so then she takes the baby.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Well, but the reason why, it's not like she became
the photographer that wedding to end up doing this. It's
because she was desperate and how to come up with
a plan and she started thinking, who in my life
do I know or who can I come upon that
has a baby where I can commit this act? And
it just so happened to be that girl. Like it
(26:23):
wasn't like part of a big master well thought out
It was a very I'm pretty sure they even show
her it's a computer like on Facebook, like trying to
be like, hmmm, who's pregnant that I know right now?
Because I got to get a baby?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
The baby died?
Speaker 5 (26:37):
So what was the play here, like to she knew
the baby was gonna die or didn't think the baby
would die?
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I didn't think she cared. Yeah, as long as she
had a baby.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
So then I don't know if they addressed this. But
did she call the cops? Does she get pulled over?
Sheet pulled over?
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Right?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
But did she call and say?
Speaker 3 (26:54):
I don't know which came first? I couldn't tell. I
don't know if y'all could clarify but I know she
was on the phone with nine to one one saying
I had a baby. Then I don't know if because
of that cops then were like, oh, we're on this
highway or they saw her driving erratically, because I know
when they pulled her over, she was already on the
phone with nine one one. Yeah, So I don't know
which came first. Was she already on nine with one
(27:17):
driving erratically? And then also the police are like, oh,
or did the police start to pull her over? And
she's like, oh, I better call nine one one to
make this look more legit.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
She called nine one one, right, she was getting pulled out.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Okay, that's the answer. So she was driving radically they
pulled her over. See, she's always thinking.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
She's always thinking, Oh, she's only thinking about right now current,
because if you murder somebody instill their baby, eventually you're
going to jail.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Like there's no long term.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Everything she was doing was for the instant gratification of
what she needed right in that moment, and that's through
the history of this whole show.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Right, You're right, she's not thinking about the future.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
You're in survival mode. She's thinking like, Okay, what's my
next play. But that's like she's so delusional but also thinking,
because like I would be like, okay, I'm getting pulled over,
and I would just be like I just delivered this baby.
But she's like, well, I better get on nine a
month because it's gonna be more believable.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
And every lie was covered by a new lie to
to you know, stack on top of one another.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
And I don't know if this is the case, but
which hospital did she get the hysterectomy at? And that
why she was so insistent on going to a particular
hospital because she knew she couldn't go to the hospital
where she had the hystorrectory point because she was she
was definitely saying, I need to be taken to this hospital.
I need to go to this hospital. But it's but
(28:33):
it had to be because other people at the other
hospital knew, like they wouldn't even need to do an exam,
maybe like here's her records.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
And then she knows right that, like once she gets
to the hospital, it's going to end.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
But that's the thing, she's never thinking about what happens
when it's always right now, how do I make it
out of this situation?
Speaker 3 (28:52):
I mean, she had the placenta with her.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
So it's very much a survival mentality always. So it's
never three steps, now, what's gonna happen, it's how do
I get out of this right this second.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
I'll deal with the next one later right.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
And I don't think she's thinking. I think once they
cops started to really realize, oh, we have a situation,
is because they got a call about the murder and
a woman whose baby was removed from her, and they're like, well,
wait a second, we got the cops the hospital.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
The cop was ware when he pulled her over with a.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Baby and there was just a murder with a baby taken.
They're like, oh, and then you see the documentary shows
the nurses footage. They're like, this is not good.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I didn't think about the cop though, because if the
cop already knew there was a murder when he pulled.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Her over, well I don't know that he knew at
that point.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
That cop that okay, but that cop was not mister
I'm going in to help you. He was no, not really.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
He was like, I can't do anything. We have to
call an ambulance. Yeah, because he knew the baby was dead.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Okay, but all are telling me something good we do
on our show, the cops like in their knuckles deep
doing something with a baby, like trying to save a
baby the cop. That cop was not like that when
he pulled her over a good point, and I thought
that it was weird because then you see the ambulance
woo come up because the CoP's like, man, I can't
help you. We're gonna have to get an ambulance here.
I believe that's what he said.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
It seemed like the demeanor of the scene, they were
acting as if they believed her. I didn't get the
impression that they were just like, oh, she might be lying.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Let's just I got the impression that the cop was
not jumping in to which I feel most would because
they are trained for emergency medical. This cop was not
like that at all, and I thought it was weird
At first. I thought that's not a good cop. Yeah,
that was my thought when he first said that. But
there had to have been something known. And again, sometimes
these documentaries don't want you to know, so they purposely
(30:36):
will leave that out. Mike, what do you think about that?
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Yeah, he did seem kind of weird, like cold, almost, Yeah,
like I'm not going to do anything, we got to
call an ambulance, and they're medically trained police officers are.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, so that was probably the first looking back, we'd
probably go, oh, I think that's the first clue that
it's crazier than we think.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
But then once she got to the hot when the
detectives got to the hospital or the police department got
to the hospital, the nurses met the police outside and said, yeah,
she just doesn't want to get exammed, and he was like, okay,
that's interesting, and then he walks in that all doesn't Yep,
that's true. So I don't know if they connected it
the murder with her being there immediately. I think once
(31:21):
they were interviewing her, they got word like there's a murder.
If you watch it back, though, you'll be taking it back.
And how that cop was not helpful. Yes, oh, I
don't know if I want to watch that back.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Yeah, I'm not going to go.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Back because I didn't interpret it as what I'm thinking
it was now. But now he was so not helpful
that I think he was not helpful for a reason
because again, most cops are trained for emergencies, medical situations.
How do we save the baby? He said, I can't
help you. We gotta wait for an ambulance.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
I guess if you pull up to her and you
see the baby's already dead, you assume maybe she did something,
But try to save the baby.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
If you're not, I know, that's what I'm thinking, like
a little unless.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
You're one hundred percent sure, you're probably given that baby CPR.
What about a small town cop you're still try I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I just thinking back, I feel different about it than
when I do when I watched it the first time,
going that CoP's kind of cold. Now I think there's
probably some motivation for that coldness.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
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Speaker 5 (32:28):
I do remember Mike in refreshed memory, my memory, but
I do think that they found out that there was
a murder with a baby stolen from another from a
house when they were interviewing her, because they pulled the
detective out and be like, hey, in the hospital, that's
what I was. So they didn't know immediately, and then
they knew at the.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Hospital because that's when, yeah, they started to be like, oh, shoot.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
This is that, and that's when she's just I mean
her back's against the wall.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
What do you mean? What do you mean? Of course
I had the baby.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
This baby came out of you.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
She said? She's now fast forward. Some of the post
stuff that I've seen is in prison. She has pitched
herself as an in house crime consultant from prison, like telling,
you know, I don't know who you tell, Like, I
guess looking for a way out early, Like, you know,
if you cooperate and help the police solve other crimes.
(33:27):
So she's like, look, I'm a really good liar and
manipulator and I can help you. But in that same vein,
she also has now said that she was kidnapped by
some gangster.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Oh I saw the thing where she was trying to
like maybe trying to get murdered in prison. I think
she's done a lot of lives. What's you're lie?
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Okay, All of this she didn't do on her own.
She was forced to do it by this guy in
a gang that had kidnapped her at some point and
then set up this whole thing of what she had
to do. And if she didn't do it, yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
Mean then surprised me. I mean, someone that lies for
their whole life, like it's not going to stop after
they get arrested.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
There was one too, where I think she blamed her
mat who she didn't for trying to kill her. And
then also what they didn't say in the documentary was
she had faked pregnancies before.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Oh really, I knew she had faked. She had faked
other ailments, like.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Oh, they'd say that documentary, she faked cancer, she faked
she she just wanted attention, like there's some real deep
rooted mental illness. I'm surprised that she did not, because
that's so crazy. What what all that that happened, Every
every bit of that is so crazy. That's somebody who's
clinically insane.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
You cannot be.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
That's not evil for the sake of gaining something that's
your brain is hurt. You're you're off, you're off.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
But didn't you just say that it's to make her
feel better about things? Like yeah, but you know what,
I want to feel better about things. I'm insecure about
a lot of things. I don't go and cut a
baby out of somebody. I don't fake cancer.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I think there was so much here that I don't
feel that her brain is right. I was to be
surprised she didn't get insanity.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
It's like, up until that point, it's like, Okay, she's
a pathological liar. Like that's one thing to be someone
that lies a lot, and then it's next to now
your lies are leading you to.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
That double murder, murder of an adult, murder of a baby.
And if you're just a pathological liar, you probably have
a limit. You hit where you're going. I need to
lie better, but not I need to murder to cover
my lie. I was so surprised she didn't get insanity.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
Did you guys think you would get there? Like, did
you think she would kill? Nope, try to rip a
baby out of a mom. I started to think she
was going to take the baby out of her friend
or no, kidnap the baby. That's what I thought, not stab.
I never thought stab and ripped the baby out of someone.
I thought she might kidnap a baby from somebody, including
(36:04):
her friend they were talking about earlier. I thought that's
what the documentary was pointing us towards.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yeah, because at one point they were like, we're on
high alert.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
They said that where Mike in the one of the
hospitals they were like, yeah, oh, because she might come
still a baby, we're on high alert, that's right.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I wouldn't be surprised if it was her, So I
never thought it was, especially because it wasn't a throwaway.
It was more of a texture to her life when
she was a photographer for a wedding that was just
kind of a throw away during it, just a little
texture piece.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Like showing what she does for a living and how
people liked her.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah, how easily people were drawn to her.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I mean those people have to I mean, oh my gosh,
that poor family.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
I can't her husband to tell you her husband didn't
get the inn. He did an interview right like he
was am I, which is great, the husband of the victim.
But I can't believe that Homer, yeah, something like that.
But I can't believe the victim's mom talked so much
about that, Like that would be so hard if that
was my daughter.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Very I think what you probably do in that situation
is go, if I don't tell the version of the
story that I have, it's never going to be told.
And that's why you do it, not for any sort
of I want to be on TV.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
But I don't think her side of the story needs
any explanation.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
I know.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
I think it highlighted who her daughter was as a
person in her sweet spirit.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
And you want people to know that person as a person,
not just a victim. Interesting and that's why her sister
or sister. I think her sister, if she saw her now,
she just stabber and kill her dead right now, for sure,
because she's pissed. And she's like, you know, we're taught
to forgive. What did she say, Like, you can ask
for forgiveness before you die. I'll never forgive you. You
(37:43):
got to get that from Jesus something to that effect.
He wouldn't even be good enough for her.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Yeah, that's what she said.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
M hm. She said, I talked to my preacher and
he's like, you don't have to forgive. You know, if
she wants forgiveness, it's to Jesus. Didn't have to be
through you.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Something like that. That was a messed up show.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
Though I didn't think it'd get that bad. I didn't
think it would get that bad either, And I blame Amy.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
It was a really well put together documentary because I
never pointed and go I bet this is it.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
Nope, never and Amy, when you said, it was the
craziest documentary you've ever seen. It's the craziest. I don'
want to apologize. I didn't think that, like, there's no way,
there's no way it could be that crazy. But I
finished that documentary and said the same thing you said,
that's the craziest thing I've ever seen, Mike.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Anything we left out, No, I was just reading more
about some of the things they left out about her.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, what do you have?
Speaker 4 (38:36):
She had like psychotic issues before, but they didn't really
address in the documentary.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Do they specifically say in that she had had.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Like treatment for psychiatric issues, had some diagnosises.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
You're right, man, the fact that insanity was never a thing,
it's pretty.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Surprising if I was that family though, I don't wonder.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Oh, you definitely don't.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Her brain was broken. She wasn't.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Selfishly pursuing a better life. Her brain was so broken
that I think she believed she started to believe a
lot of the stuff that she was also lying about.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Do you think so, I do.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
You don't think it was just to get her out
of whatever lie she told before. I think that's part
I do think that's a part of it too. But
there's a difference in somebody who's just a pathological liar
that's doing it for just personal monetary gain and a
delvy right. I don't think her brain was broken. I
think she saw an easy way to get something really cool.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
And she could manipulate well. I mean, some people have
that gift.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
I feel like this girl is clinically insane, because you
don't murder and rip a baby out of somebody. But
now she's in prison, she's on death row, the youngest
person on death throw in Texas.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yep, you think it's obviously it's a woman.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
Pretty hard for her to like just say, admit she
lied about anything her whole life.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
I wonder if she does that. Probably, I wonder if
she does admit now any lies at all. I didn't
see any of that, there's no way.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
But when you're that delusional, I wonder if she's, like, wait,
what I did last some of that?
Speaker 1 (40:13):
You lie so much you start to think it's true.
Anything else you see up there mic that we didn't
talk about.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
Yeah, it.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Was a very compelling. It's weird to say entertaining, but
I was entertained by it, and then I just felt
weird after it. But it was a really well put
together documentary that I was surprised I didn't know the
story because that's soft up and you would have thought
that had been a bigger news story.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
When did that happen?
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Amy twenty twenty one.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
So COVID dancing with COVID time. Yeah, and close to us? Yeah,
not far at all. I drive through I mean, we
don't drive through New Boston when we go to Texas.
But I see the sign exit here for New Boston.
It's not like it's an Olympia Washington.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
No far regionally from us where we would if it's
a big, big enough story, we get it. But that's
almost like in our area especially we're all from Texas
and Arkansas and Caitlyn's from Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Like none of that stuff ever came over to us.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
So any final thoughts, I just probably spent a little
too much time thinking about Wade. Yeah, I mean I
grieve for the other family, but he I obviously I
agree for that family, like that's horrible, but I just
like when they show him at the end kind of
feeding his animals and he's walking by himself.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
I just and I think it was Wade's mom maybe
or someone else, like Waye's always going to be known
as the guy. Yeah that was with the girl who
murdered the woman and stole the baby out of the woman.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
I feel bad for Wade.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Yeah, it's like a weird I guess the probably the
reason why I focus on that, it's obvious to me.
I feel bad for the victim's family, Like my heart
breaks for them. That is a no brainer. I'm a
little perplexed, perplexed at my feelings I have about Wade
he too, because I'm like, how did you not know? Yeah,
some or any but I feel for him, And I'm
like that feels weird because I understand why I feel
(42:07):
for the other people. I don't quite know why I
feel for Wait, the.
Speaker 5 (42:11):
Fact that someone like her was out there makes me wonder.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
If the next person you hire for an event, And
he Alway.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Says that in the documentary. She goes, I can't hire
a photographer. She's crying, but she's like, can't.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
I don't want to hire potographer for my own wedding
because of what happened there.
Speaker 5 (42:28):
Yeah, And like you meet new friends all the time
and you're just like, now, like I wonder what kind
of person this is what if I'm not even left handed?
Speaker 3 (42:35):
All has been a lie? You never know or like
you know you start. I mean, y'all aren't dating, but
like I.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Makes you think like.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
You don't know when you go on a date with somebody.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Yeah, if you listen to this, you probably watched it.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
So you know.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
If you listen to this or watch this and you
haven't watched it one.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Night, now you know. Now you know you don't have
to watch it.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Okay, that's our spoiler. What are you calling spoiler review?
They're called the spoiler review.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Four and a half out of five overall for the product,
four and a half out of five. Great job by
the filmmaker's great job f her. I'm sorry for their families.
I think that's what we'll end on. Thank you everybody
for watching and listening.
Speaker 6 (43:19):
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