In The Weeds: How Bobby Almost Got Sued For A Justin Timberlake Video

Bobby reveals how a Justin Timberlake video nearly got him sued, why the whole thing started with an April Fools’ joke! Bobby shares the story behind flying with the Blue Angels, breaks down the different tiers of Dancing With the Stars winners, and why he got threatened over AI-generated images. Then, Bobby sits down with radio host Falen to talk about her unconventional path through radio  from working for free and doing nights and street team promotions to moving across the country for opportunities, joining the legendary Dave Ryan Show, and eventually taking over mornings. Falen opens up about finding her own voice, building a new show with Colt and Jenny, becoming a boss, and what she wants the future of her career to look like.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
I'm going to start this video talking about the time
that I was almost sued for a fake Justin Timberlake
video shoot. I mentioned that on an Instagram story once.

(00:22):
And I think the question was, well, what are your
Mount Rushmore favorite moments in doing the show? And I
had listed the time I didn't get fired for being
fined a million dollars by the FCC, the time I
didn't get fired whenever we did a bit that got
Lunchbox put in jail. And I'd mentioned the time that
I didn't get fired when we were almost sued for
a fake Justin Timberlake video shoot. So I'm going to

(00:43):
lead with that. Some of you may have heard this,
but what had happened was I was doing nights in Austin, Texas.
And the night show had been on for a few months.
And something that I still do to this day is
let people in on inside jokes. So I will tell
the audience, we're going to do this joke. So be
a part of it. But then when I come back

(01:03):
and do the joke later, I don't reference the fact
that I told everybody that was listening then what I'm
about to do. An example would be the pickleball courts
that Eddie and I built in my backyard. We told
everyone at the very beginning, one time firmly, we're not
building these courts. I'm actually hiring someone, but we're going
to post a lot of pictures of us in the

(01:25):
middle of them being built on construction equipment. And we're
going to document the process as if we're building them.
So every day, the guys that were building it would
leave and Eddie and I would go over and take
pictures and act like we were doing it. And our
ask was, if you heard me the first time tell
you that it was not real and it was a joke,
be a part of the joke. So That's been something

(01:47):
that I've consistently been doing for a long time. It
doesn't mean it doesn't get me in trouble sometimes. So
what had happened, this is probably 2005. I went on
the air and I said, hey, we're going to act
like we're shooting a Justin Timberlake music video. And that
I'm just going to say, if you want to be
a dancer in it, show up at the studio. And

(02:10):
you guys start calling in saying you saw him all
around town. Now, look, is this the greatest bit? no,
it wasn't even that good, but it was something. And
I was just trying to do things that maybe people
would talk about because I was so new to Austin.
So that's what I do is say, Hey, we're doing it.

(02:30):
Call me. People started lighting the phones up and they
were like, I saw Justin Timberlake at this place. He
was at Walmart.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
He was.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
And so I said, I just got word that they're
going to shoot a video. And so they've said anyone
that wants to come up and be a background dancer
in the video, come to the studio. And so within
an hour, there were 200 girls lined up outside the building,
some with headshots. It's when I walked outside, I realized

(02:56):
that this had gotten way bigger than I thought it
was going to. Now, we're probably an hour and a
half into this bit on the radio show at night.
There were still people calling in, being a part of
the joke, but I would bring in some of the
girls and put them on the air. And I'd say, hey,
why do you want to be in this video? And
they would talk about how much they love Justin Timberlake
and We had taken pictures of them, every person that

(03:17):
came in on the air. And then we posted them
all up on the website on April Fool's and said,
April Fool's, there is no Justin Timberlake video shoot. So
we moved on with our lives. A couple months later,
someone shows up just like in the movies or on
the television. And they say, hey, here's your summons. What

(03:38):
do they call that? Maybe. But it was like, you're
being sued. It's like, for what? And it was Bobby
Bones and Jay Shannon that we were in trouble and
we were going to be sued for so much money
because we had done this bid and we'd put someone

(03:58):
on the website. And the problem was there was no
such person as Bobby Bones. It's not my real name.
And also Jay Shannon, my program director at the time,
it wasn't his real name either. His name was Eric.
And so a little bit, we were nervous, but a
And so Jay calls the person that was threatening to
sue us and said, hey, what can we do to

(04:21):
make this go away? Because I think he was feeling
like he was in more trouble than I was because
he had just hired me about a year ago and
he was the boss of the station. And they basically
settled for a pair of Christina Aguilera concert tickets. That's it.
They weren't even that good at tickets. So they tried
to sue two semi-fictional characters. And they ended up dropping

(04:43):
the lawsuit because we gave them Christina tickets. And that
is my Justin Timberlake video story. I thought for a
minute I was going to get fired. I didn't. The end.
What was it called? Do we still think it's subpoena?
It can't be subpoena. When they show up and you've
been served, what are they serving you? Papers. Papers. So

(05:06):
I want to lead with that. So that's the first thing.
Number two is I'm seeing... The occasional person that says, hey,
I just hyped your video. I don't even know what
that means. This is going to be a real papaw
moment here. If you hype my YouTube video, what does
hype mean? I guess makes it more visible to people.

(05:29):
So if you hype my video, more people see my video?
Does it cost money for them to hype the video?

Speaker 3 (05:34):
I don't believe. I think they get like points or something.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Creators must have between 500 and 500,000 subscribers and belong
to the YouTube Partner Program. Top hyped content appears on
dedicated regional leaderboards to gain visibility. Well, if you're hyped
in the video, thank you. I didn't even know that
was a thing. But please hype away. Hype me up.
I can use it. So for those of you that
hyped this video, thanks. That's greatly appreciated. I had posted

(05:59):
an old video of me flying with the Blue Angels.
This is like two years old, so not that old.
And some people had never seen it before. I even
got a message from one of my corporate bosses in
New York who's way up. And he's like, dang, you
flew with the Blue Angels. I was like, yeah. He's like,
what was that like? And I was talking to him.

(06:20):
I don't know how I was nominated because that whole
story is somebody called me randomly and left a voicemail
and said, hey, we're calling from the so-and-so organization. We
work with the Blue Angels and we'd love to talk
to you. We'd love for you to fly with us.
And I thought, man, I could be getting scammed here
or pranked, but if not, that'd be really cool. I

(06:42):
don't even like flying. I also get very motion sick,
but I thought, man, the Blue Angels, like that's so elite.
So I called them back and they said, you've been
nominated for your like good deeds or something. And so
I said, really? They said, yeah, would you like to
fly with us? And I immediately said yes. And so
it's probably a month or so out. And so, I

(07:05):
go up and I'm nervous because I don't like getting
on a Southwest flight, much less a two person. But
it was really cool because they're wearing their Blue Angel suits.
I don't know, it felt like so legit. And they
walk you out to the plane at first. And then
you have to go through a class and then you
put on your own Blue Angel suit, which is really cool.
And there's no, I don't know what a G suit is.

(07:27):
I think it's what people wear in planes that go
a certain amount of Gs so it doesn't make your
chest explode or something. But you don't wear a G suit.
And I've learned that part of the pride of the
blue angels is they don't wear that G suit. Their
body has to actually take on those Gs. And so
I go to the class and see the pictures of

(07:47):
the buttons that I'm going to see inside of my
little hole, because there's the hole that he's in and
there's a hole that I'm in. And I get in
and your head's covered in glass. And it is like,
it looks, you can see out of it. And the
plane's pretty small and And you do have like a
joystick in the middle that you feel like you could
just shoot missiles. Apparently those didn't work. They've, they, they

(08:11):
stopped them from working whenever people like me get in,
but it feels like you could just shoot missiles and
that thing. And before you go up, they teach you that, Hey,
this is going to be a bit uncomfortable whenever we,
I guess, accelerate because it's going to go so hard

(08:31):
and fast that that the blood is going to rush
from your head to your feet. And to combat that,
I had to do these exercises where I sit in
a chair, I put my feet on the ground, I
spread my feet a comfortable distance, and I push down
as hard as I possibly can with my feet. So

(08:53):
I did that a couple of times and they said,
does that feel okay? I said, yeah, it feels great.
They said, okay, whatever you're doing now, you're going to
need to do it twice that when you get up
in the plane. I'm like, okay, yeah, sure, whatever. A
little bit I'm nervous, though, to go flying because those
things flip and dip and dodge and dive. And so
that part is making me a bit nervous to get
in the Blue Angel. But I'm thinking also this is
one of the greatest pilots that exist. You don't get

(09:14):
to fly these things unless you are the top of
the top, the cream of the crop, super elite. I'm in.
We're going. And there's a video from not inside. There's
a video from someone on the ground where the plane,
as it's coming off the runway and it starts to
make that angle up like a normal plane would, it
then almost turns straight up and goes straight up into

(09:36):
the air. And I remember that going, holy crap, that
was it. That was the really hard G force, whatever
they called that. And the guy's like, yeah, we just
did two Gs. Now, what I remembered was they were
going to get us up near eight Gs. And I thought,
oh my God, if that was only a quarter of
what it was. So you see in the video that

(09:58):
I posted, if you watch... closely, I do black out
for a split second. What would happen is they would
slowly build up. They didn't go all the way to
that really hard one until they knew I could take
the others. But you have to push with your legs
so hard because when you're pushing with your legs, it's
basically fighting the blood up as when it sucks you forward,
the blood's coming out. Before I had that momentary blackout,

(10:24):
I remember having my eyes wide open and it being
black because all the blood was out of my head.
It felt like that. My eyes were wide open and
it was complete darkness. It was the weirdest sensation that
I have ever had because I know my eyes were open,
but it was as if my eyes were closed because
there was no blood there. It's wild. That final one

(10:45):
that you see on Instagram was the one where they
felt like I could take it. So they hit it.
And I think he said like 7.9 G's or whatever
it was. And we start dumping over, like doing flips.
And there's just one point where you see my head
just go limp, like, and then I kind of startled
myself up. I was out. I blacked out. I was

(11:07):
pushing as hard as I could my feet into the
bottom of that plane. And I still could not keep
the blood from rushing out of my head. So for
those asking, I'm not sure how I got to fly
in them. I don't know if it's perfect attendance at work,
honor roll. All I know is I got a call.
It was something I couldn't say no to. Did I

(11:29):
really want to go up in a plane? I don't
like flying. I get motion sick at everything. And when
this thing ended and I got out of the plane
and I got into my car, I had to pull
over at Chick-fil-A into the parking lot and get out
of my car and just lay on the ground. I
felt so bad. But it was really one of the
coolest things that I've ever got to do in my life.
I'm so grateful for it. And if you watch that
video on my Instagram, you can see as I'm dumping over,
there's a split second where I'm out. But the pictures

(11:54):
are awesome. So I'm super grateful for that. I've decided
that instead of being the punching bag this year on
Dancing with the Stars social media, that I'm just going
to talk about it a little bit. It's always an
odd time for me because when the show starts back,
there's a couple weeks of me just taking strays out

(12:16):
of nowhere for no reason from people i've never heard
of talking about how bad i was and i think
they think it hurts my feelings it doesn't hurt my
feelings it just gets to be a lot whenever it's
happening 72 times a day in the first couple of
weeks just out of nowhere so instead of just being
the punch bag and letting it go by i've done

(12:36):
a little dancing with the source content and i've watched
the show and i really haven't watched the show a
whole lot since my time and my time on there
wasn't bad i loved my time on that show I
just never really watched it before. And then my experience
wasn't negative with the show, but it was negative with
the fan base of the show. And you have to
remember on that show, I wasn't the bad dancer on
my season. There are multiple dancers that were worse than

(12:58):
me on my season, but I'm the bad winner of
Dancing with the Stars. And there is a difference. On
my season, I wasn't even the one that people were
upset about still lasting. There were a couple of those,
but it was never me. Once I won, I ended
up being the bad winner, but I was never the
bad dancer of my season. I was a mid dancer

(13:18):
on my season. But I think if you did a
worst winner of all time, technically speaking, it's probably me.
But highest percentage of vote, that's probably also me, which
is pretty cool. And I'm pretty proud of the trophy.
And so I've watched it through one week. I watched
the guy episode. I watched the girl episode. I was

(13:43):
so shocked that they kick people off night one. It
was also cool. They did guys and girls, but I
was shocked. They kick people off night one on my
season and other seasons. Everybody would get a free pass.
You dance the first week. They take those votes. They
put them up with the votes. They're on week two
and they combined everything and they kick someone off. But man,
I did a video. You can go back or I

(14:05):
kind of told you who wouldn't win. And I knew
that Connor Levitt wouldn't win because he wasn't even the
main person. He's Whitney Levitt's husband. Now in their life,
I'm sure he's the main person, but people that are
watching that show, he's not the main person. He's the
husband of the main person. And so if you're not
the main person and you go on a show like that,
where now it's, you're the main person, you just can't

(14:27):
compete because people haven't built that relationship with you. So
his fans were going to be her fans and her fans,
only a portion of them are going to be motivated
to help him. So he got kicked off night one.
He also wasn't that good, but it doesn't matter. You
just need a couple of votes. Night one, but he
didn't get them. He gets kicked off. Then night two
was Brooks Nader's sister, who also wasn't the one. So

(14:48):
it's no coincidence that the celeb adjacent people were kicked
off on night one. But I do have three tiers.
Here are the three tiers of Dancing with the Stars.
Those who can actually win it, those who won't win it,
but could last, and those who absolutely cannot win the show.

(15:10):
Let's start with those who cannot win the show for
any reason whatsoever. Guillermo. Loved him. He won't win the show. Also,
Whitney's pregnant. There's a reason that they probably stuck her
with him. Because she's pregnant. And if he can't win,
she's not going to be on the whole time dancing.
But he is fun. But there's no chance he wins

(15:31):
the show. I'm putting in this category now Tatiana Ali.
I don't think she can win the show. Watching her dance.
I don't know. I didn't even feel like that she
loved being there. I felt like her dancing was so
far behind as well. And nostalgia can save you for
a bit, but I don't think that she can win
the show. And the other one is Giada. Likeable, for sure.

(15:58):
I think she'll survive a bit. She also has an
injured toe. So I think stamina and injury are going
to be an issue. I think there's no chance that
Giada wins. Those are the three in that tier. It
doesn't mean I don't like them. There's nothing personal here.
I probably would like to hang out with those three
more than a lot of the ones that I'm going
to put up here in these other tiers. At number

(16:20):
two in the tier of they won't win, but they'll
last for a while and they'll have fun. I have
Sierra Miller and Brandon Armstrong. She was emotionally engaging for sure.
And she should improve. But I think she's very much
a mid-season contestant. I have Julia Stiles. I do really

(16:41):
like Julia Stiles. I didn't know if I would or
not because I hadn't seen Julia Stiles in a while.
I mean, it's not like I live next door and
would see her at the grocery store. But she had
a good first dance. The nostalgia factor is there. The
only reason I put Julia Stiles in this is I
don't know that she has like a passionate group of
voters that will push her the whole way. Because if

(17:04):
it were based just on growth and dancing and how
much someone's likable, I think she could be in it,
but I don't think she gets up in the tier
of could win it right now. I have Connor Wood
with Riley. Now Riley's fan base is enormous. And I
think that Connor could actually last and be a semi-final contender.

(17:26):
I mean, he was honestly a little more athletic than
I thought he would be when he danced, but I
don't think he can win it. This one's going to
be a bit controversial because I don't think he can
win it. I really like him. It's Taylor Hanson. Loyal
fan base. Good dark horse if you want to pick
somebody and go, that's my guy. But there is plenty

(17:49):
of room to improve. And this is only one weekend.
And God knows I improved a lot from one weekend.
But I don't really see the athleticism in Taylor Hanson
to win it. Wouldn't surprise me if he made the
semifinals or finals. but I don't think he can win it.
And the other one is Tyler Cameron and Sharna Burgess

(18:12):
from Bachelor Nation. And Sharna obviously was my partner. And
I think Bachelor Nation carries pretty much anybody deep. You
get on the Bachelor, you're going to make it. It
does not matter. I don't see them winning because I don't,
those two together, I don't like as a pair because
there's no real warmth from them. They're both like vixens.

(18:33):
They're both like hot. Like that's their thing. And so that's,
you can go far with that, but that's, it's hard
to win if that's what you both are. So he's
obviously a great athlete, play college football. I think he'll last,
but I don't think that they will win. Now I
do have the ones that I think can actually win

(18:55):
the show. And I have this tier with six people.
Now I'm going to for sure put the two ringers
in there. Harry Shum with Jenna. Harry is a former
professional dancer. He obviously was really good. I don't need
to say anything else. He could win the show. Jenna
Dewan with Val. Val is wildly popular. Jenna's the best
dancer on the show. She was a professional dancer. I

(19:16):
don't need to tell you all her resume. She could
win the show. Those two are absolute ringers. They have
a for sure chance to win the show if they
can just become really, really likable. The lethal combo is
someone who is so lovable and is so good. And
if they can do that, and I think Harry has
a real chance to do that after watching him on
camera a little bit I think they can win it.

(19:37):
The other ones in the category of they can win
the show is Mara Higgins and Mark Ballas. People love Mark,
but she's a natural performer. He creates elite. dances. So
I'm going to put them in that. I'm going to
put Ezra and Daniela. It's really cool because Amy Purdy,

(20:00):
who I got to know a little bit, there were
videos of him watching her while she performed. And then
there are videos now of them together. And so it's
a very compelling story. He's also like an excellent athlete.
And it was just such a good debut for him.
Super likable. I'm going to put Amber in. She's the

(20:22):
ice skating American athletic. She's expressive. I think she can
be technically excellent. She's so good already. And then still...
I think Jackson Olsen and Emma can win it. He's
very likable. His dancing was just okay, but I am
trusting a lot of his ability to be an athlete

(20:43):
and to learn and that muscle memory to kick in.
And also he's an entertainer. So that's my tier of
who can actually win the show. Harry, Mara, Ezra, Jenna, Amber,
and Jackson. I still got my chips on Jackson Olsen.
I think he has the most growth. I think Harry
Shum is probably second overall for me right now with

(21:05):
Amber very close. And the other three are in the
mix as well. Jenna is just going to have to
be very lovable because people are going to hold against
her that she is a pro's pro of dancing. But
it's fun to watch. So that's what's up. I do
want to give away our Stay Weedy hat. And so
would you mind grabbing that for me? So this hat
I had on last time. It says stay weedy. And

(21:27):
the winner is Mary battle, 1848 at Mary battle, 1848.
Brandon will reach out and I will sign this hat
and I will send it to you. We only ever
had two made right here. We didn't even take the
sticker off. So stay weedy. We'll do another one next time.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Hopefully.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Okay. That's what we got. The Reagan documentary is really
good on Netflix. You guys should watch that. She was
the dancer who, was in the break dancing competition at
the Olympics who looked like she was just being funny
or she was just so outrageous. It's really good. It's motivating.

(22:06):
Makes you feel. So check that out. And then I'll
leave on this. I had done some AI images saying
that I was coming back on the air after vacation
and I had posted a lot that were very famous
images from American history. One was like the Wright brothers.
It was me in the plane. One was me as
Neil Armstrong. One was me as George Washington, you know,
going across the Potomac. And it was that very famous picture.

(22:27):
And I had a guy message me and say, if
he ever saw me, he was going to beat me
up because I shouldn't be portraying that I was in
the military. It's a very famous George Washington painting. They're
not wearing maybe 1700 military clothes. And I said, I

(22:51):
would love for you to find me. And then I
blocked him so he couldn't respond to that. So I
wasn't trying to steal military valor, nor was I trying
to steal astronaut valor because I looked to see if
any other astronauts wanted to fight me as well. And
none did. So if you're offended by me as a
George Washington character in a painting, I'd like to formally apologize.
Hang tight.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
The Bobby cast will be right back. And we're back
on the Bobby cast.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
So I'm gonna go talk with Fallon, who is now
the morning show host. at KDWB in Minneapolis. And this
is a show we do call hosts where I talk
to other hosts about where they've been, what they enjoy,
why they enjoy doing it. I mean, this is very
much an in the weeds type show, but other people
that do podcasts and do radio shows. And what I
like about Fallon is she is extremely driven. She's moved

(23:37):
across the country multiple times. She, and we talk about this,
she runs a massive female led show, which is you know,
there aren't a lot of, and so I'm just a
big fan of her. And this is Fallon from KDWB
and a lot more that she's doing now in Minneapolis,
Minnesota here. Hey Fallon, good to see you.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
Hi, good to see you too.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
So it's, when we record this, it's three 30 in
the afternoon. What do you do at three 30 in
the afternoon?

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Uh, typically I'd be like, probably figuring out what I'm
doing for dinner and getting ready to go meet my
kid at her bus stop.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
That's about it.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
I think that's one of the benefits of doing mornings.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
All right.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
That you get to pick up your kid, not drop
them off, obviously, but pick them up. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
I did afternoons for a couple of years and it
was brutal.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
They plan kids activities based around like a schedule of
parents that do not work until five o'clock. So I,
for two years, didn't take her to a single dance
practice or anything.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
It was kind of lame.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
So do you find the morning schedule then better for
being a parent? Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
People think they're like, oh, aren't you exhausted?

Speaker 2 (24:47):
And I'm like, no, I mean, I am tired, but
I'm like completely get to do all the things I
want to do.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
And still, I feel like be a more present parent.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
What time do you wake up?

Speaker 3 (25:00):
I get up at 430.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Do you actually wake up at 4.30? Does your alarm
allow you to wake up? Or are you waking up
like me an hour before making sure you're not late
every five minutes?

Speaker 2 (25:12):
No. I mean, maybe the first couple of days going
back into it. But no, it goes off at 4.30
and I wake up immediately.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
I do not snooze my alarm. I get up and
get out of bed and just.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
Does your husband wake up when your alarm goes off?

Speaker 4 (25:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
He hates it.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
He actually two days ago said... You have got to
change the like tune of your alarm. It's, it could
not be a more annoying sound. So we had like,
I had to go through and he had to approve
the alarm sound I picked. And he said he would
set up a backup alarm that was a vibration.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
On his phone.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Cause I was like, no, if it's like too soothing,
it'll soothe me back to sleep. And he's like, nah,
this is like ruining my life.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
And I was like, all right, cool.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Got it. Since you started doing mornings, have you been
late at all?

Speaker 3 (25:57):
No, no.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
I was only ever late probably in like the 10
or 11 years I did it before, maybe twice ever.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
And once was because I got into a car accident.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Well, that doesn't count as late. If there's a car accident,
that's just unfortunate more than.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
It is late.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
It's true.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
So where did you start in radio? What was your
very first job, very first city?

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Evansville, Indiana.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
And I went to college there and I like applied
at every job at the mall and I'd never had
a job before and nobody called me. And my cousin
Jimmy had worked at the local rock radio station and
he was like, I could probably call like the most
radio named person ever, Sandman, and see if he'll give
you like a part time gig. And so he did,

(26:44):
he gave me, and so I just kind of did
street teamwork to start, but I, I mean, I did
it for one week and I went and changed like
all my classes at school. I joined the radio station,
like the college radio station.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
I was like, this is it like within one week.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Where did you grow up?

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Southern Indiana. It was like right across the border from Louisville, Kentucky.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
And so you ended up in Evansville for school. Why'd
you choose Evansville?

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Cause it was cheap in state tuition.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
I had a scholarship that covered, and then I had
financial aid that would cover the rest of it. Cause
I wanted to go where my friends were going. And
my mom was like, no, you're going to go where
you have free college.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
So, so you start working at the station and immediately
you knew that you loved it.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
Immediately.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
I was like, cause in my small town, I wanted,
I was like, I want to be an actress. I
want to be, we didn't even have a theater program
at my school.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
It was so small. So I didn't even get to
do that.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
So I remember doing radio and just like feeling like, okay,
this is, this is what I'm like meant to do.
And I wasn't even on the air. I think I
just saw the other like DJs or jocks. And I
was like, that's, that's it. That's the dream.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
How big was your school?

Speaker 2 (27:52):
35 people in my graduating class.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah. Mine was like 42, I think. So I definitely
can relate to that. And did you guys have full
sports teams?

Speaker 3 (28:03):
So we did, but the one that, but not, so
it's Indiana. So basketball. Yes.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Um, but we did not have football at my school.
Didn't have soccer, didn't have lacrosse, didn't have hockey for sure. Um,
so it was pretty much basketball, a sketchy baseball team.
And then like I did volleyball and it was a
small tennis team too.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
When you went to college, did you try to play
anything or what did you think you were going to
do as you went into your freshman year?

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Thought because I went to a small school, I was
much better at everything than I was. So, um, no,
I know it would play like at a collegiate level,
even at a small college, but I was like, Oh,
I'll join like the intramural teams. And I remember I
joined one intramural tennis league and I was like, Oh man,
I'm actually terrible. I'm actually so bad. So I was like,

(28:52):
this is embarrassing. And then I did like a sand
volleyball and I didn't like sand volleyball compared to like
indoor court volleyball. So I went from doing every single
club and like every sport I could in high school
to basically, um, none of it in college.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Did you ever work with Sandman once you went over
to the radio station?

Speaker 3 (29:10):
Yeah. So he, uh, was, he was like the program director.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
So I did a little bit with the rock station,
but I pretty quickly went into like primary focus on
top 40.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
So what do you do? Do you go work for
the street team over there and then try to make
your way in?

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
So I started doing that and then I kind of
just was like, Hey, you know, I'd love to, uh,
run the board or something sometime.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
And they were hype about that. Like, oh, someone that
wants to run the board for free. Heck yeah. And
so I think you're my daughter. I apologize.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
And, um, so I started doing that and then.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
They were like, do you want to do a weekend shift?
And I was like, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
And then they were like, do you want to do nights?
And I was like, yes, that's where, so that's where
I started. I started doing like street team, running the board,
all that, and just kind of worked.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
My way up.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
So they came to you and said, if you want
to do a weekend shift, and then if you want
to do nights?

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Well, nights wasn't as easy.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
So basically when I started doing weekends, the competition invited
me to lunch.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
It was a very awkward situation.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
So it was the same restaurant that every radio station
had free trade in town.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
So I went and had lunch with them. I was
young and.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
My bosses were having lunch at the same place and
they saw me have lunch with the competition, but I
was like a part-time college kid. So I didn't know
that that was like, I knew it was like, I
probably shouldn't be here, but they brought me in like
that night, that like next day. And they're like, okay,
we don't want to lose you. Would you want to
host the night show?

Speaker 3 (30:34):
And I was like, yes.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
So they got rid of a syndicated night show and
gave it to me.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
What year were you in college when that happened?

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Probably 2003 or four, I'm guessing.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
So that was like a sophomore, junior year of college?
Or were you still in college?

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Yeah, I started college in 2002.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
So you're doing nights while you're in school. Did you
ever think about quitting school?

Speaker 2 (30:58):
No, but it was brutal because I would be in
the studio writing my papers and all my friends were
out partying. That would be in the studio like, What's
that like? That's probably cool that they're out doing that.
And then I would get up in the morning and
they were all hung over and I was going to

(31:18):
early morning classes. And, but I, but I just loved
it so much. I don't know. I, but I didn't
consider quitting school.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
No.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
The more you did it, was it the more you
loved it and thought I'm going to do this, even
if I have to move around the country?

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Yeah, I was, I mean, at that.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Job, I pretty quickly, when I started doing nights, probably
within a year or two, I started reaching out to
program directors and just trying to find the next thing.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Cause I knew like, I didn't want to stay in Indiana.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
And I also was like, I felt like they weren't
going to give me more opportunities to grow there either.
Like it felt like the same people had been in
these shows for a hundred years and there was no
one was ever going to leave for me to grow.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
So I would probably have to leave to get that opportunity.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Did you end up graduating college?

Speaker 4 (32:02):
I did.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
And so as soon as you graduated, how quickly until
you were off somewhere else?

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Uh, it took a while.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
It took a while because, so at one point I
did leave the, I was at Kiss FM.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
I quit.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
I went across town, um, to work with a show
called Booker and Sarah and I did mornings with them.
And then Booker and Sarah went to Texas, but they
were like so excited to leave Indiana and go to Texas.
They didn't take third person me with them. And then
they brought in from Texas, Adam Smasher. And I had

(32:37):
never heard of him, but he was so different. He
was just so different from Booker. And so I really thought, okay,
this is my chance. Like I'll be his co-host. And
I was not his co-host. They hired a different female
named Shonda. And then I was like kind of third
person on their show again. And I was like, okay,
I think I got to get out of here to.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Like get the, I don't know. So then I just
kept applying, kept applying, kept applying.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
And finally, because someone, a PD in Reno, Nevada knew Booker,
he gave me a shot. And so it took me
probably like, I don't know, probably like five or so
years after I graduated to move.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Did that hurt your feelings? You didn't go with Booker?

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Yes and no.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
I mean, at first I was so happy for them
because I was just like, this is, they worked for
it for so long. And, but I understood, I know
I was sad for me. Cause yeah, I was like,
I want to go with them. This is like such
a great opportunity. Um, but I wasn't, I don't know,
I guess sad would be the right, I guess there
was some sadness probably.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
I was like, Okay. I'm still here in Indiana. But
then I was like, you know, I thought I had
another chance.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Well, maybe I can be Adam's co-host. And then that
didn't happen. I'm like, oh man, this is not it.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Did you ever think about not doing it?

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
So for a minute, like after I didn't get the
job with Adam, I did apply to work at like
an AT & T call center back home and Like
I was going to move back home because I wasn't
full time. And in my mind, I'm like, I went
to college. I should have a full-time job now. This is,

(34:10):
this is how it works. You go to college, you
get a full-time job, you get benefits. These are things
I've been told I need my whole life. And I
was like, I can't keep doing this radio thing. They
won't pay me any money. So I was like, all right.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
My sister got me an.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Interview at an AT & T call center and I
put in my notice and they're like, we'll give you
a full-time job. But it was as a promotions director.
Cause they didn't want to lose me, which is cool.
But promotions is not what I wanted to do, but
I still did it. Cause I was like, I'd rather
stay in radio, even in this part of it than
to leave and go to a call center.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
So thank God they did.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
That because I don't know where my life would have
been if I'd moved back home to an AT &
T call center.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
So your first elevation was getting caught in a restaurant
across the street. Your second one was that you got
an AT & T call center saying they would hire you.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
How long were you a promotions director?

Speaker 3 (34:55):
I mean, I guess.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
That most of that time, I guess probably like two
or three years max.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Doing that, did you think, I don't want to do this.
I'm just doing it until I get another job somewhere.
Were you searching for another job?

Speaker 2 (35:08):
The whole time, the entire time I hated it. I was,
so I always, I feel like I'm, it's weird because
I'm really good at coming up with ideas for promotions
and events. I do not want to do the detail
work behind the scenes. Like I'm pretty organized, but I
was like, I don't want to be, I don't want
to do client calls all day, figuring out the logistics
of when this vendor should arrive or that one. It

(35:30):
was just, that wasn't that it felt like it was not, uh,
elevating my creative side in the least. And also there,
I mean, truthfully, it did bother me a little bit
to go to those events and all the attention was
on other people that I planned the event for and
not me, so.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
So was the first spot you left for from Indiana,
was it Reno that you mentioned?

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yeah, Reno, Nevada.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
And what, I mean, that's a much farther move. Was
that scary to you?

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah, I've moved across, I mean, with my dog and
my cat 30 hours. And it was pretty scary. I
did have a boyfriend and he moved out with me. Um,
so that was like, at least gave me like one
little bit of comfort. Um, but he was in like
a band. He was gone all the time. He was
like constantly touring. So he wasn't with me a ton,

(36:25):
but it was just nice to have someone like kind
of move out there with me at first. But I
was moving into a really sticky situation. This just shows you,
I was like, I was like, I'm going to take anything. Um,
because it was, I was set up with this guy.
I immediately got bad vibes.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Like this guy is sketchy.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
I don't know, like this feels wrong. They fired him
the day before I was supposed to start. Um, after
I moved across the country because yeah, he was sketchy and, um,
hired their production director to do mornings with me.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
I'd never even met him. They're like, you guys are
starting like tomorrow together. Wow.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
So you, had you ever been to Reno for the
interview though, before you drove across?

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah, I came out, I went out there for the
interview and that's where I met the guy.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
And I was just like, something's off with this person.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Like it just is a gut feeling. And I was like,
and I kept telling myself, It's a two-year contract. Do
two years there. You can get through two years. Do
two years and then get out. You just need to
get something to show you can do the morning show.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
It sounds like what people say when they go to prison.
What you just said there sounds like the talk you
have with yourself. You can do four years. Just do
it and get out.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
It was Reno. I'm just kidding. I love Reno now.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
So how did you and your new co-host that you
never knew would be your co-host get along?

Speaker 3 (37:44):
We had an interesting dynamic. I was in my twenties.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
He was like 40 and he, and it was funny
because we were opposite. So he liked to go out
to clubs and party. I've never been like that. And
so I don't know, we had a very different view
on how maybe a show should be, should run or
be prepped.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Um, And I loved him.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
And it's funny because off the air, we got along
just fine. We like laughed and I thought it was hilarious.
And we would have good moments on the air. But
I think I was just, I don't know, it just
wasn't what I had pictured a radio show would be like.
And I would listen to other shows and be like, man,
I want to be on a show like that.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Did you feel though that as the co-host, because I
think a lot of women are just automatically pigeonholed into, well,
you got to be the number two, like regardless. You
got to be the number two. And I think that
has been so unfair for so long. But did you
feel like, hey, I actually could do this and run
this show?

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
We actually had a large argument about that at one
point where he, I mean, he wouldn't care that I
share this now.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
He's out of radio. He'd probably laugh thinking about this.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
I remember we had a pretty explosive fight where I
said something along those lines.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
And he's like, then do it. Then run the board.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Then do it.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Come over here and do it. And I was like,
all right. So we switched spots and I did it.
And then I feel like I did it quite well.
And he didn't love that. But I would say that
it wasn't even an option.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Like when they got rid of the other guy, it
wasn't like, oh, Fallon's here.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
She should leave. It was never, that was never considered.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
It's like oh god we got to find a lead
for this show you know and and I had never
led a show So I don't blame them for having
that outlook, whether it was based on me being a
female or just a new talent.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Yeah, but it'd feel weird if I were hired for
a job and they just had to find someone last minute,
the production director to come in because they felt like
they need to find another lead. I mean, that would
feel weird to me regardless of what the real meaning
of it was.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
I think.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
I was, uh, so everything, everything was happening very quickly.
That was just like, okay, I'm here. Like we have
to make, figure this out and make it work. I
can't afford to move back to Indiana.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
So how long did you do that job?

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Two years to the day.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
So you, you spent, you served your time.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
I did. I mean, I interviewed, I remember I started
the exact, the exact date. I started in Reno two
years later in Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
So did you go from Reno to Minneapolis?

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
And was that to be on Dave Ryan's show? So
how did that come into play? Did you have to interview?
Did you know there were a lot of other people
going for the job? What happened there?

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Yeah, I interviewed. So I was in, I was interviewing
for two large shows at the time. One out of Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
I did not get that. Kristen did for the Burt show.
And I was like, man, that was like my chance.
That was, that was it. And I saw Dave's show
opening and, And I pulled up his podcast and I'm
listening and I'm like feeling like, okay, like I could
vibe with these people. Like I can feel where I
would insert myself. So I actually, full circle, the woman

(41:10):
who ended up being Adam Smasher's co-host in Deanna, Shonda,
she had interned with Dave. So I call her up
and I'm like, because this is how it always is
in radio. What's Dave's personal email address? I don't want
to go through the main thing. He'll never hear me.
So she got me his personal email address and I
emailed him and I said, hey, I was like, I
got a lot of winter coats. I'm willing to move, like,

(41:30):
like get me out there. And he was like, yeah,
I mean, we don't have a budget to fly anyone
else out. Like we flew one person out. They're not
giving us a budget. And I said, I'll fly myself out.
He's like, well, I can't say no to that. And
I said, do you guys work on Martin Luther King,
like MLK day? And he's like, every year we work
on that day. So this was huge for me. It
was a $ 500 plane ticket. I was making like, I
think maybe $ 27, 000 a year, $ 500.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
That's a lot of money for me. I put it
on a credit card.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
And Dave calls me back like two days later after
the point of being able to cancel a plane ticket.
He's like, hey, if anything, like we don't work on
MLK Day this year. So can you come the next day?
And I was like, and I didn't say like, oh,
I'm screwed. So I booked a second $ 500 flight on
my credit card. And when I flew out for the interview,

(42:17):
I did tell him and he goes, all right, well,
if you get the job, we'll reimburse you for one
of those.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
I better get you a job.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Cause I don't know how I'm going to get a
thousand dollars to pay for this. And, um, the first
day I, it felt very good. It felt very natural.
And I was like, I don't know, this is like
going pretty well. And then they have a meeting and
they're talking, they're like, Hey, can you extend your flight
and stay an extra day? And I was like, I
knew I was like, okay, like if they want me

(42:47):
to stay an extra day, they like me.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
So I was like, yep.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
And, uh, I flew back to Reno.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
They knew, they knew. They're like, you took your headphones
with you. Were you doing a job interview?

Speaker 3 (42:58):
And I was like, yes, I was.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
And, um, they're like, cause you've never called in sick ever.
And you called in sick two days in a row
and your headphones were gone. I'm like, yeah, I didn't
play that out very, I don't know, whatever. Um, and yeah, the,
the boss offered me the job like two days later.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
So did you know they were going to offer you
the job? Did you feel good? Are you an optimist generally?

Speaker 2 (43:19):
I am a, I think I thought at the time,
if I get the interview, I'll get the job. If
they just, if I just get in that room with
that show, I will get the job.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Am I optimist? No, I am the biggest pessimist.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
It's a glass half empty almost all the time. But
I do have, I do, people have described me as confident,
which is weird because I don't find myself, I don't
find that I am confident, but I guess people perceive
me as confident.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
So maybe I, maybe I am confident in myself in
that way.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Completely different dynamic going to that show because Dave Ryan
had been in Minneapolis as like a real force for
I'm not sure how long, but I would assume decades
at that point.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Yeah, I was there for his like 20th and 25th.
fifth anniversary, I think. So yeah, he was coming up
on like, I think his second decade when I was there.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
That was more of a get in and fit in
and then be who you are. I mean, how hard
is that to get into an organization that is already
a will that knows how to roll?

Speaker 2 (44:18):
It was and wasn't because I will, I will give
Dave credit for this. He didn't like, he didn't want
me to be anyone else. He was pretty good at
being like, But no, be you. I mean, he might
guide me on some storylines like let's enhance that or whatever.
But the hardest part for me was just coming in
after an incredibly beloved co-host. Like she was like people

(44:43):
loved her. So it was I was very different from her.
And so that was actually the hardest part is the
comparison to her for a long.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
It lasted a very long time.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Are you talking about Angie? No, Lena.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Okay, so did they go Angie, Lena, then you?

Speaker 3 (44:58):
There was one other girl, but I think she was
only there for a couple of weeks. Oh, dang.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
So she didn't get her flight reimbursed, probably. The Bobbycast.
We'll be right back.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
Welcome back to The Bobbycast.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Okay, so you're in with Dave for how long, and
then what did you do, and why did you leave
the show?

Speaker 2 (45:19):
I was with Dave for, geez, I don't know, 12-ish years, 11,
12 years. Really?

Speaker 1 (45:26):
I didn't know it was that long.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Wow. Okay. So you're with Dave for over a decade yourself. Okay.
I'm sorry to interrupt. Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Yeah. And then, you know, there, it was kind of like,
I think that, I think that we needed a change.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
I'll be honest.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
I think that like both of us needed a change.
I think he wanted a show refresh. I needed to
go and try to host a show because that was
my goal. It was to host a show. And I
was never, I mean, I didn't know how long Dave
would be there. I mean, I, I thought maybe Dave's
going to be here for honestly 10 more years. And

(46:06):
if this is what I want to do, like I
got to get out of my comfortable little nest here.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
And I got to go see if I can actually
host a show or not.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
So they let me do a two-person afternoon show, which
had never been done on KBWB.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
So same station, but you moved afternoons. Correct.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
And they let it be a little bit more, like
I'd say quite a bit more talk than it ever
had been. It was very standard top 40 afternoon talk
over a song intro jock show before. And they let
it be a two-person show, but it was still a
difficult transition to host, but also just talking dramatically less paint,
playing way more music.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
Um, it was definitely a big learning curve.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Were you leading that with your cohost and how did
you find your cohost?

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Yes, it was.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Uh, so initially they put me on with a guy
who had been doing the afternoon show for a while, Zach.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
And, um, you know, I think, I think Zach would
agree with this. I would say we didn't.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Have the perfect vibe he was I would say more
of a solo guy like he's you know and and
I I was looking for someone who was maybe maybe
on a more similar path of like my style of
humor maybe or you know something like that so um

(47:29):
I found he actually had a good opportunity within our
building to go host a morning show and at a
different radio station in our building And they.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Were like, okay.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
So I found a guy that used to do nights
on our station who I always liked.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
I always kept in contact with, didn't know if we'd
have a, you.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Know, how it would work. But, uh, we, so we
brought Colton from Texas. He's still there. He's still on Texas,
same show. He still tracks it every day. And I
felt immediate. It was cold is the best chemistry I've
ever had with anyone ever.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Did you think, One that you would want to do
mornings again, or, and if you did that, you'd have
to leave again since Dave had been there for so
long and there was no real sign that he was
ever going to leave.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
So I, I, the play, my mental plan was let's
figure out this show with Colt, see if it can
be something. And if it is yes, 100%, I wanted
to go back to mornings. Um, I didn't want to
stay in afternoons. I wanted to try it and give
it a fair shot. Cause I thought maybe I was like,
maybe I will like afternoons. I don't know. And then
I did not like afternoons. So, um, I immediately pretty quickly,

(48:38):
it was like, I got, I want to go back
to mornings. And so I think there was like a
couple of thoughts. If I don't get the opportunity to
do it here, cause it's like Dave gets to decide
when he leaves.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
You know, that's, he's earned that he's, he's a great talent.
If he's not ready.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Then I don't, personally didn't really want to move again
you know I didn't want to like go start I
had built a like my thing here um so it
was kind of like okay what's the what's the option
do I keep doing afternoons and see if we can
build that like see if we can like syndicate that
out like as an afternoon syndicated show and then we
picked up one market in that time in Salt Lake

(49:17):
and kind of was like okay let's see how this
feels and how to feel interesting because we don't like
a lot of syndicated shows have a producer or something
we did not and it wasn't full syndication we were
doing and i don't know maybe i don't know what
syndication is But it was repurposing a lot of our show,

(49:38):
but it was also recording a lot of new breaks
every single day. So I think I was surprised by
how much new content we had to create for that station.
And it was even shorter format than our current one.
So we had to chop down dramatically without the help
of a producer. And I still had like a day
to another job. I was doing TV this whole time

(49:59):
too during the day. So it was kind of like,
there was a lot going on.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
What were you doing on television?

Speaker 2 (50:06):
I do a nationally syndicated television show. It's called The
Jason Show. We're on in like 53 markets. So we just,
actually our new season started on Monday and we kicked
off in LA this year.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
So, or this season. So that's our new one.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
I saw that on social media. What do you do
with that show?

Speaker 3 (50:24):
I'm just his sidekick co-host.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
I sit on the couch and I interact and it's
a very low key job. It's that show's been on
for like 11 or so years, very well oiled machine producers,
assistant producers, photographers, audience coordinator, all that. So I don't
do pretty much anything for that show other than show up.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Do you see him and go, I want that job?

Speaker 3 (50:46):
No, I do not.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Because I have them before. You never know. You may
see it.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
People ask me all the time if I like TV
or radio better. I am a radio person through and through.
And also, yeah, no, I did.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Not have that desire.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
So when did it come to fruition that maybe Dave
would leave and that maybe you were the person to
replace him?

Speaker 3 (51:10):
So, I mean.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
I was under the impression that I was the succession
plan for a while, if and when that time came.
That wasn't like, but I also don't believe anyone ever.
I'm always like, they will say what you want to
hear to keep you around as long as they can.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
So I was like in the back, like I was
like in my heart, I hope they're telling the truth
in my head. I don't believe anything.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
So, I mean, you know, cause I was like, I
don't know, for all I know, they've told like five
other people their, his succession plan. Um, so, and that's
not to say I don't trust my direct boss. I do,
but I also just know how big businesses work. Like
I was like, at the end of the day, does
he get the final say? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
So, um, I, it was pretty quick.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
I would say it was when he made the decision,
it was pretty quick meetings of, is this something you
still want? I'm like, well, yeah, but like, can I
have it this way? And they're like, you can have this,
this and this. And, and, and so it was, it
was a quick turnaround.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Do you think a little bit, and it would just
be just a fractured piece of it that you having
to follow somebody like Lena, I think you mentioned and
having to constantly live in that shadow and build your own.
Do you think it gave you just a little introduction
to what was going to happen with Dave who had
been on the air forever and was so beloved?

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Maybe I guess I was like, I was so curious
what it would be like going in with Dave. I
actually wasn't afraid of it in the same way though,
because I understood the Lena aspect because it was like,
I don't know. I feel like They at least got

(52:53):
to know me at this point before I took over
for Dave.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
It was just immediate judgment with Lena. They didn't get
to know me. And I get it.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
It was like face value. So I didn't think it
would be like that. Also, people are interesting with girls.
It was a much, I mean, Mike, a lot of
my comparisons with Lena were that I wasn't tall and
blonde and they didn't like how I looked compared to Lena.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
You know what I mean? Like, which was just like
funny to me because I'm like, we're on radio. I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
So. So you had to follow Dave. How long was
he on forever in Minneapolis?

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Like, I think he was hitting 33 years.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Jeez.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
I know. It's like crazy amazing.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Yeah. And do they give you guys any buffer between
him leaving and you going on?

Speaker 2 (53:40):
No.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
So it was just the next, next rise. I mean,
shows over.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
We had Memorial Day off and then we started Tuesday.
He was like, it was Friday. We had Memorial Day off,
started Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Jeez.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
I honestly didn't want a big buffer though.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Yeah. You were already a part of the station and
you were already with Dave for a while too. I
do think that helped a bit bridge it.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
A thousand percent.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
People already knew me, Jenny, who is a co-host on
the show. She was on Dave's show. So they already
knew Jenny. They felt comfortable with her. Colt was the
newest wild card. And even though he had done nights
for a couple of years, it had been a long time,
but they did get to know him with me in
the afternoon show if they listened to the afternoon show.
So there was familiarity with him. So I definitely think

(54:25):
that made all the difference. I'd I think it would
have been pretty rough for probably a whole new show
coming in.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Did you feel the need to go in and just
make it your own immediately?

Speaker 3 (54:37):
Yes. Yes, I did.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Because I was like, if they're going to hate me
or my bits, it's not going to be because they're like,
she does this worse than he did or something. It's like,
it's going to be because they just don't like my
content or our content. They don't like our ideas or
our sense of humor. I didn't want them comparing the same,

(55:01):
I don't know, the same bits that I was like,
there's going to be enough comparison. And I think it
would be weird to try to do what he did anyway,
because like the thing about Davis, he did pretty much
everything on radio.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Well, better than well. So I'm not trying. I was,
I was like, I'm not going to be trying to
be Dave.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Did you feel like there was constant oversight your first,
and you still may feel it, because how long have you,
first question, how long have you been on now doing
the morning show?

Speaker 3 (55:29):
A little over three months.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Do you still feel it all the time, them just
watching and making sure that what you're doing is working?
You can't ever tell if something's working, but they at
least need to act like they are, or do you
feel pretty free?

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Well, right now I feel pretty free because I would
say the ratings are very good.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
But I know how that goes. If that shifts, I
think there'll be.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
A lot more like on me probably figuring out, okay,
what can we, what do we need to do?

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Or what do we need to reel back? Or what
do we need to shift or change?

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Do you enjoy it more than you thought you would
being in control of that show in that city?

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Do I enjoy it more?

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Do you enjoy it different than you thought?

Speaker 3 (56:16):
I really like it. It's weird.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
So I like hosting, but you know what I'm, I'm
at like, and I think I, I think I do
a good job. I think I've gotten better just in
the past three months, honestly, because in the beginning I
was like, okay, Fallon, get your crap together. Like you
got us, you know what I mean? Like everyone's going
to be watching your every little stumble here. So like

(56:42):
get it together. And I felt, confident in leading like
the team and everything on the air. And I liked
the bits we were coming up with and everything. But
one of the things that I feel like I was
exceptionally good at was reacting. And there is reaction when

(57:03):
you're a host, but there's less reaction when you're a
host because you're leading.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
And I'm like, And I.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Feel like I'm pretty good at making someone feel like
they're really funny or their story is really interesting because
I'm a pretty great reactor. So, you know, it's kind
of like figuring out this is a different spot.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
It just is. It's just different. But I like it.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
And I think it's good for me to be challenged, honestly,
in something different. So I like that challenge. And I
still get to react because... I think like Colt and
Jenny are incredibly funny. So they get some pretty good belly.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Laughs out of me.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
You know, there is a whole new role that you
have to take whenever you lead a show. And you
know this and you probably knew that is the afternoon show, too,
where you have to do a lot of setting up
of other people. And you have to let them be
the star so you can be the star. which is
not even an ego thing. It's just something you have
to learn how to do so the show can successfully function.

(58:08):
Has it been a bit of a crash course with
that since you have more people on the show in
the morning?

Speaker 3 (58:14):
Actually, I think it was like riding a bicycle. I
think it took a.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Second for us to all like, I think Colt is
like such a respectful guy. He like is one of
the few guys I know that's super comfortable being the
co-host and not needing to be the host.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
And I don't know a lot of guys like that.
And he's like very progressive.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
So I think he was just like almost like at first, like,
I don't want to step on Fallon and Jenny's toes.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
And I'm like, no, no, no. Like you got to
like put yourself in there.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Like you're hilarious. Like you got to be inserting yourself
and stuff. So it was kind of like, I felt
like in the very beginning I had to set him
up a little bit of like more so just like, Hey,
you're feel comfortable to like come in here and do this. Um,
or like, since I knew Colt and the audience didn't
know him as well, bringing up things like almost like
I'm filling Jenny in on Colt, like, Oh, something you

(59:05):
don't know about Colt is he micro doses, natural deodorant.
Like I had to like put, and then like it
like would, immediately open Colt up to talk about his
wife is she's a very crunchy granola gal she forces
him to wear natural deodorant and he's been sneaking real
deodorant in his backpack at work so it's like I
can like okay I gotta set Colt up so that
people learn about his who he is and who his
like like his I don't know, his home life and

(59:27):
stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
So yeah, there is an element of, I guess, pushing that.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
And then in the very beginning, it was just like,
let's make sure we're all like not talking on top
of each other and feeling comfortable though enough. So there
was a little bit of a challenge, I guess, to
answer your question in a very long winded way.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
I think it fell into place after about a month
when we all kind of, I think, felt more comfortable
with the clocks and the run of our show and everything.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Yeah. You have to be the boss and the leader,
and that's not always the same thing.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
You're right. And I don't love being the boss.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
And if it's awkward with the people in the room,
maybe it's not even you. You have to handle that
because you're the boss and or the leader. What about
being a boss do you not like?

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
I don't like sometimes like giving feedback when I feel like,
you know, there's just something someone needs to work on. And....

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Because I've worked with.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
People before that, man, they gave me so much feedback
so often, it just killed my spirit. And I'm like,
I'm not bad at receiving feedback, but if I get
just beat down every single day, it kills me. So
I am like, so like, I don't want to be
like that to them. I don't want to feel like
I'm beating them down every day. So like one thing

(01:00:47):
that I just try to do is like, I feel
like I am an emotionally run person, which is not
the greatest thing, maybe as a leader. But that's who
I am, and it's not going to change. And so
early on, my husband, he was like, make sure you
are praising in public and you are critiquing in private.
And I was like, okay, so if I'm upset by

(01:01:09):
something that happened on the show— even if I want
to be like, Hey, let's not do that again.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
I'm not going to do that in that room.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
I'm going to wait and do it in private, which
is not a natural emotion for me. Cause I like
to just like, that's my fight style. My fight style
is like, let's get this done. Let's figure it out
and move on. And then, and so it's kind of like,
I don't like having to critique people, um, or remind,
I don't like having to overly remind people of things
because then it makes me feel like I'm nagging.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
And I don't like that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
I feel like what I had to learn as far
as the most important lesson of being someone who is
in charge with multiple personalities was that everybody needs to
be managed differently because I thought it would feel unfair
if I managed people differently because everybody should have be
held to the same standard. And it really wasn't about standards.
I think the more I've learned about communication styles and

(01:01:58):
how people like to get feedback, how they don't. I
think for me, that has been massive in that everybody
that I work with, I have a different way to
communicate with them about what I need to communicate with
them about. But that took a while for me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
It's funny you say that because I just had that
conversation with them the other day. And I told them
how they all receive feedback. And they laughed about it
because they all do receive it on the show so differently.
Jenny gets the feedback and immediately says, okay. And she
immediately fixes it. If I tell Mike, our assistant producer,
he's a little snippy at first, but then he'll go

(01:02:36):
do it. And Colt, I joke that he likes to
turn it back around on me. Like it was me.
Like I was the problem. And then he'll be like, fine,
and move on and fix it. So I have to approach, yes,
them all very differently.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Okay. So what's the goal? In five years, what do
you want to be happening? I.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
Genuinely want to grow digitally.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
I want to, um, because I love radio, but I'm
not unaware of where it's going digitally.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
I want to grow our digital presence.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Um, I'm not like, I'm someone who I want to,
I want to be successful in a way that makes
it impossible, which is, is impossible for.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
Them to, for my show to be fired.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
I want us to be so successful that like we're
not afraid to lose our jobs all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
And you laugh, but that's true. I mean, it's true.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
I laugh out of pain.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
I'm really rooting for you. Obviously, I think you are
a unicorn and it's not about you being a a
dude or a woman, it's just the kind of personality
that you are. And you're also extremely versatile. And so
I'm rooting for you. I don't envy the spot of
having to go on after somebody after three decades on

(01:03:55):
the air, but if there's somebody that can do it,
it's you. And so, you know, we had many conversations
and what do I know except what I've been through,
but I'm rooting for you. And I really appreciate you
coming and talking with me. And as always, you know,
I can tell you how I've messed up many, many,
many times. And maybe that can lend to what you

(01:04:15):
guys are going through, but Fallon, great to talk with
you and I'm rooting for you. That's all.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
Oh, well, it means a lot. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
And people don't know this, but yes, you, one thing
I said to you is even before, like, I think
I kind of met you right as you maybe were
going into Nashville and you were always very kind to,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
I think some people, they, they do, they, they change.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
And you were never like that to me. You're always kind. And, Um,
I don't know, willing to give advice or listen. And I, like,
I felt weird, like, oh, it's okay if I talk
to you and you're like, yeah, why is that? Why?

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Yeah, sure. Let's chat. And I was like, oh, okay.
And this is normal. Wait, am I, can I ask,
I have questions for you. Am I allowed to ask her?
Are you out of time? If you're out of time,
that's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
I have time for one. Okay. Make it good. Real good.
Pressure's on.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
I'm going to give you an average question at best.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
Okay. Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
Let's see.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Well, I was going to go with a work one,
but I'm going to go with something that you probably
have a quick answer for since you have short time.
What's a very specific thing that instantly makes you like someone?

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
It's not that I have short time. I had a
bad cupcake and my stomach is killing me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
And I just texted my wife and I said, when
do the cupcakes come in? Because my stomach is killing me.
She said Thursday, they're probably expired. So like the last
four minutes of this, I've really been clenching. And so
it's not that I have to run out of time
on you. It's that I'm about to expire. I'm about
to expire in my- Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
You've got a blowout coming. You should pop in one
of your daughter's diapers, you know?

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
Well, I don't even know what your question was because
I'm clenching. Ask me the question again.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
What's a very specific thing that instantly makes you like someone?

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Oh, if they smile. That's easy. I mean, the easiest.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
You've even got it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
That's it. That's the fundamental. Anything you do in life.
You can get any job. You can get into any group.
You can get anybody to like you. Like the key
to success is having people enjoy having you around. And
if somebody is just easy to be around, like my
whole crew, they're all pretty good at what they do.
Now they're all great at what they do, but I
hired them pretty good, but it's only because I like

(01:06:11):
being around them. And so I think for anything to work,
you got to be liked by the people making the decisions. So, yeah,
it's such a loser answer, but that's it. Like if you.
obviously all the blocking and tackling, but just smile. Are
you the job interview? If I'm talking to you, be
a happy person because I don't want to be around
somebody that's not happy. So it's so simple. That's like,

(01:06:34):
get sleep, drink water. But yeah, that's, that, that's my answer.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
So I wasted it. I should have asked if you
were a bidet guy, because I am.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
I am at hotels when they have them. I get
excited about the days. We don't have one at the
house though. We, we, I did it at the old house.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
$ 20 add on.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Come on.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
Just pop the top on. Do your, I know. Okay,
I'm going to let you go so you can go
take care of business.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
That's what I'm talking about right there. See, she knows. Fallon,
thank you so much. And again, everybody, go check out
Fallon's podcast. Don't listen to her live if you're listening
to this. Don't, come to me for that. But if
they want to go to the podcast, just the Fallon show,
like what do they look up?

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Fallon, Colt, and Jenny is our show name. It's long,
but there it is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
Look it up.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
If you search my name, you're not going to find
another Fallon, okay? Unless it's Jimmy Fallon, then you're spelling.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
It wrong, okay?

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Okay, so Fallon, Colt, and Jenny. Yeah. Man, that's a
lot of names. I'd cut that real quick.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
I was thinking about a couple more if you have
any suggestions.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
I don't. I would suggest getting rid of a couple people,
but that's just me. Fallon, good to talk to you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
You sound like a company.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Talk to you soon.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
Bye.

Speaker 4 (01:07:37):
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