Warren Zeiders (@warrenzeiders) never intended to become a singer, until a sports injury changed his plans. He sits down with Bobby Bones to talk about his life before music, how he had a lacrosse scholarship in college, and how he got seven concussions while playing. He shares how the pandemic derailed his plans, so he posted a video of himself singing on TikTok that went viral. Warren also recalls the time he posted a video of himself singing on YouTube that he was bullied for, to then having industry people message him. He also reveals why he hired his mom to be his business manager, what fans can expect from his new album Pretty Little Poison coming out in August, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
I wouldn't go back in time and change a thing
because I think that I keep that with me as
a fuel of source. And I'm happy that kind of
happened to me because it made my skin thicker.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to episode four oh six with Warren Ziders Mike.
After we finished this interview, my trainer who comes over
to the house, Kevin Klug, he saw Warren walk out.
Warren's pretty big dude, big dude, you know, former athlete.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Played what's that support?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
They throw the lacrosse? Okay, yes, lacrosse and not cokay, yes.
So he was like, was that Warren Zeyders? I said yeah,
And what he knew of Warren Zeider's was he said, Oh,
he's the guy that figured out the algorithm.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
And I said, what do you mean? He said, I
watched some of his stuff online.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I like it, but he's known because he figured it out,
Like he was smart enough to know how to use
TikTok and not only be real good, but implement like
the perfect strategy to blow up pack the system. And
I s really goes, yeah, so what do you what
do you know about the because I don't know. That's what
everybody says, like he's the one that figured it out.
(01:12):
So did you know I didn't know that. I didn't
know that now. Yeah, So I liked warn not really
what I expected, but in the best way because his
pictures he looks, I don't know, like he would brand uts.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I thought he was gonna come in like spit on
the floor, yea, throw some things.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Around, really warm, really nice guy. I mean he left
and I was like, dang, I like that dude. So Warrensiders,
let's tell you a little bit about him. His debut album,
Pretty Little Poison, comes out eight twenty five. Let me
do a finger Jani March, April, May, Junejuly August twenty fifth.
Got it. So the sampler is already out, and here's
a little clip of Pretty Little Poison for more Inxiders
(01:46):
right now. Geez MOBOs Ride the Lightning became a big hit,
kind of against social media.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Here's a clip of that one.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Because when the.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Class tracks Mann don't alrad.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
On tour through November fifteen to go to Warren Ziders
dot com, z I D E r s dot com.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
He's out with a thousand horses. He's twenty four. I
thought he was a little older, young guy. Yeah, just
a kid from Hershey, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Music, as he talks about, was not a massive part
of his household. You know, he's saying in church like
a lot of other artists, and played sports and then
I mean he had some real some real injury type
stuff like there's broken arms and legs, and then there's
head injuries like brain stuff, and so he got you know,
pretty dicey with him.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
But here he is.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Follow him on Instagram and TikTok at warren Zeider's z
E I D E r s and here he is
our time with Warren Zeiders. Nice watch you got there?
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
That new No, it's actually not it's a probably fifteen
years old.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
It was my dad's. I'm assuming it. It's from here.
It looks like a Rolex real legs yep. Yeah. I
mean I only recently started to get them because I've
only recently started to make good money, and I always
just saw them on TV. So I thought, one day,
when I start to make it, I'm gonna get one.
I got like seven now and I gotta stop. But
(03:10):
now I see them. It's like when you have a
car and let's say you buy a you know, on
a cord. Yeah, and all of a sudden, you're like, god, damn,
there's so many accords on the road. As soon as
you walked in, I was like, I didn't even see
I just saw a Rolex walk in, and I'm like,
a Rolex just floated in the room. So and I'm
not liking it. Like Luke Combs is like a big
watch guy too, and so he's do you know much
(03:30):
about watches? Because I don't. I don't either.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Like I said, this was my dad's and it was
actually a gift to me.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
It looks good, it's solid. I've had a lot of
people trying to buy it, but I'll write a number down.
You tell me if it's good enough to buy it
from me.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
No, I think there's something I'll hold on to and
give to my son once too. But it was supposed
to be a gift for me when I graduated college.
But I didn't graduate college. I signed a record deal instead.
So I was like, you know, do I still get
the role x?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
That's funny. You know, you're a lot smilier than I
thought you'd be. I've heard that before, like not that
it's good or bad, but hearing your music, seeing press
seeing press pictures of you like this here. You look
like a freaking cowboy that's gonna kick me in the
balls if I say a cross word about you or
your mama.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Instead, you're still that dude and you're ripped and you're
a good looking dude. But it's like your friendly as crap. Yeah,
I like to think I'm I think pretty friendly. Yeah,
I'm surprised, not that you're friendly, but you're just very happy.
I like it you. I assume you're grinding pretty hard
right now, just traveling playing shows.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Give me your last seventy two hours, last seventy two hours. Okay,
so we're on Let's day, Monday now, Yeah, I lean
up the roo.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yep, my bad. We're on Monday now, so you already
know he's going hard if he has to go. Okay,
we're on Monday. Okay, Yeah, I have the same thing sometimes. Yeah,
it's it's weird now CMA week.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
It's my first one, first time ever being there as
a fan either, So that was weird being in town
having shows, not being out of Nashville and.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Bobin and Weavin.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
But between I played Riverfront on Thursday and then I
did Spotify House and then after that got on the
bus that night, went to Iowa, played at the festival,
got to go out on stage for the first time
with Jelly Roll.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Super sweetheart of a human being.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Him and I had just recently met at the softball game,
the charity softball game, and he came up to me
and I was like, hey, man, like I'm more insiders,
and he's like, I know who you are and I
was like, oh, I didn't know that, So super nice dude.
Then did that and then got in yesterday morning, and
then I just did something for the Highway yesterday as well,
and then was doing stuff last night with my tour
(05:44):
manager who's also my best friend.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
And then now here we are. How many of those
you say your tour manager is your best friend? Yeah,
how many of those people from home or like your
ould school friends do you kind of have in your
crew somewhat?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
So actually shout out to Jared. He just drove me
and dropped me off. My tour manager. He was actually
working for my mom, and he did not like his job.
He was an accountant, wasn't his thing. Didn't like being
at a desk and whatnot. So I pulled him out
of that he didn't have any background in this whole thing.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Neither did I. But here we are.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
We're doing pretty well so far. But I brought him
out of that and brought them on the road with me.
And it's nice having somebody from back home that I
not only that I trust, but someone that I know
has my back and loves me.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
That's been a big priority for me through my career too.
Like Mike here was an intern for me. Way he
runs the show now, Yeah, he's my voice as much
as I am. But like my co hosts on my
radio show were all people that never worked in radio yep,
but that they made me feel good and made me
perform better because I felt good, and then they got
really good at their jobs in the meantime. And it's
(06:50):
just worked out and been pretty amazing that I've been
able to do that because it was all for me. Yeah,
I mean it's for them too. It really was for
me because they made me feel good, comfortable and safe,
and so that actually elevated me and it gave me
the freedom elevate myself. And I kind of feel like
that's happening with you here too. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I think as long as you're comfortable in doing what
you're doing, You're going to flourish, and I think that
that was the mindset behind it.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
And my parents are also very heavily involved.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I was raised in a family with businesses, and my
parents are both business acumen and my mom was a CFO.
My dad did investments for years and he's been in
cars car sales and ran dealerships for the past ten
to fifteen years as well. So they're heavily involved in
just helping me and helping me flourish and just have
my back, which is really fortunate to have that.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Are they involved in or do they look at the numbers? Oh? Yeah,
my mom's actually my business manager. Okay, now we're talking. YEP.
I struggled with hiring a business manager because again I
come from a very humble upbringing where I didn't know
you just went to the mill to work, yep. And
so I was like, wait, I got to pay somebody
(07:55):
five percent depending on I was like, I don't, I
don't understand. First of all, they're going to look at
it everything I make, and then I got to pay somebody.
But then what had happened? And I think you're seeing
this and you have been for a bit now is
that I'm paying percentages to people.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Mm hm.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
So I got agents ten percent, I got managed at
fifteen percent. I got to pay the ban when I
was I got and I'm like, oh my god, I'll pay.
I'll pay my bmen or ten percent, whoever it is.
So it was weird for me to hire someone because
you have to really trust them, and I have that person.
But if it's your mom, I feel like I would.
I'd be pretty trusting if as my mom too, especially
if she has again the business acumen that you talk about.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yep yep CPAs she likes to say to me, she's overqualified.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
But she takes great care of me.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
And there's no one else I would trust in the
world to look over my finances and.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Just have my back. Where do you live now? I'm
actually down here now, So Nashville's home. How long has
it been home?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I feel like it's been probably nine months to a year.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
That's it, huh.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
But by the time I got down here, you know,
I joke about it. People are like, you live down
here now? I'm like, well, I moved down here in
time to start touring so that I'm never around. But
it's been great. To me, I'm in and out, you know, writing,
touring management. Everyone likes to keep me busy and I
like to be busy.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
So it's been good whenever you do things like CMA
Week and it's consistent, you're going from event to event
or event to show. Are you feeling we'll call it love.
Are you feeling love consistently now for your music and
who you are? I think so.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I think that you know, you joked around when I
first walked in here and you were like, I thought
you were going to be like this, And I think
that I have that part of me that's inside of me,
and that's kind of from my sports background and everything,
and you know, I get that from my dad. I
always like to say my Dad's we're both lovers until
we don't have to be, and we're both teddy bears.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
But you know, I have.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
An edge to who I am and that's definitely a
part of my brand and you know what I am
on stage. But I've I've definitely felt the love. I
think this week was such a success. I didn't know
what to expect with CMA Fest and getting out there
and whether is this a good time.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Slaughter or whatever it is?
Speaker 1 (10:01):
But to see, you know, the pockets of people screaming
word for word and making new fans. It definitely felt
a successful week for me, and you know, integrating into
the scene of Nashville.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Why don't want people to get it twisted. You cant
still rip my head off. I'm looking at your arms here.
You can still rip my head off, and I think
you would if I set a cross word. So when
I say your friend like, you're like you could do
all the things that I thought you could do, as
far as like beat me up, break my back, whatever
you needed to do. So don't take that as I'm
calling you went Lauren, because you still got it. Man.
Uh you played lacrosse, yep. Seems physical, like a physical score.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I have seven concussions to account for it being physical.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
You just said that twice. Yeah, I did your concussions.
I said it three times. You said, well, so tell
me about lacrosse. I didn't grow up around lacrosse. Yeah.
Most of my friends that live West Coast or up
in the you know, northeastern part of the United States,
they are they're introduced, and they play lacrosse more than
(10:59):
people from the south. YEP. So talk to me about
the game.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
The game man, the roots really are Actually it's actually
Native American sport. And I don't know how much I
have in my blood, but I do have some Native
American in my I'm not just saying that, but from
my I think it's my grandmother's side. But long story short,
I always thought I was going to be a hockey player.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
For the longest time. I was obsessed with hockey. Did
you played hockey?
Speaker 5 (11:22):
No?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Because my dad and I used to watch it all
the time.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I grew up going to Hershey Bears games because I'm
from Hershey and they were the farm team for.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
The Washington Capitals.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
So I was obsessed with hockey, loved rollerblading and all that,
got into ice skating, the whole thing. But when I
eventually moved to Hershey in fourth grade, I was introduced
to sport of lacrosse. It was a it's a big
thing up there around Maryland, Pennsylvania, New York, the whole
whole shebang. And when I picked up lacrosse stick, it
was kind of in that moment I realized, I was like,
(11:53):
this is something cool, this is something I could see
myself doing. And dude, after a year of playing it
became my life, and I played all.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Year, so there was did you like the contact? I did?
Speaker 1 (12:03):
I didn't mind the contact. I was actually kind of
a smaller kid. I could never put on weight, and
that was always something that kind of bothered me. But
I was always super fast and agile, so I could
get away from it.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I like to think I'd get.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Away from it, but it's having concussions doesn't really say
I did get away from the contact. If now being
twenty four and looking back, I definitely probably would.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Have hit the weight room sooner.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
But it wasn't until after I kind of got to
college where lifting became a huge thing for me because
I went to college to play, but now lifting is
everything to me. Working out is such a big pivotal
part of my life.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
But twelve years man, were you pretty good high school
player to play collegiate? Did you have scouts coming?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yep, college visits. I did the whole thing. And like
I said, I was playing all year round. So springtime
is school season for lacrosse, and so I played summer
league ball.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I was going to showcases, I was going to colleges.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I was doing tournaments, same thing in the fall league
and then winter league. We played in a dome and stuff,
so I was always always playing.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Where'd you play in college?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I went to a school called Frostburg State University. It's
in Maryland. I went to go play Division three and
what I loved so much about it was unfortunately I
didn't get to play very much because day two of practice.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I got laid out by.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
A twenty four year old marine who was back from
some years of service. And the way college athletics work,
you know, you can have years of eligibility if you
don't use them.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
There have been quarterbacks they've been twenty eight years old,
I know. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah, So I was coming off of a pick and
I got blindsided and laid me out flat on my back,
blacked out. Started season called an ambulance and I was
out for months, and I was confined pretty much to
a black room for months. What do you mean, like
as in I wasn't able to play. I was missing
Oh you were out of school and was missing classes,
(13:52):
couldn't take exams like I couldn't think it was and
I kind of.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Went into a depression. Yeah, well I see that.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, yeah, Because like there was you know, blue light
the screens, like watching TV would give you headaches, you'd
get sick, like it was a it was a pretty
major concussion.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Did you start to think that maybe it was never
going to be right again? That definitely was a fear
of mine.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
And I was spending a lot of weekends traveling back
home to PA because we have Hershey Medical Center and
the doctors there it took really good care of me,
and just was like, hey, man, you've had a couple
like minor concussions. This one's pretty major. If this happens again,
like we're gonna have a different conversation. And surely enough,
(14:34):
you know, I'm I'm a dude that when I'm committed
to something, I give everything I have. And now I
get to say that I do this for country music
and I love what I do. But when it came
to Lacrosse and I had those months off and I
had some time to reflect, I was like, you know,
you know the saying, you know, get knocked down, it's
up to you to get back up. So when it
came to winter break, you know, friends were out partying
(14:57):
and drinking and stuff, but me, I was spending two
a day and I was focused on taking care of
my health and getting back on that field, spring comes
around and get back to school surely enough. I think
it was God's way of saying, this isn't for you anymore.
And I had another concussion.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Wait you went back? Yeah, after all that, you went back. Yeah,
Like there's committed yep, and then there's are you sure? Yeah,
so you go back. And my experience with friends, I've
had some head issues, but never significant like yours. Some
of my friends who've played professional sports talk about how
(15:36):
if they've been hit and had a concussion or two,
sometimes the lightest thing can cause a concussion. Afterward, it's
almost like you've been exposed, so it's easier to be
exposed to again. Is that what happened this time?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
It was it was the moment where when I went
back for the spring season and I got hit, it
was like I didn't even have to think about it.
I got up from the hit and I was like,
I'm jacked up. I just know really yeah, I just
knew in my heart the way my neck snapped way
hit the ground. I was like, that's it and threw
my helmet off, and I just it was just that
(16:05):
moment of you do something for so long it becomes
a part of who you are becomes a part of
your identity. Yeah, that's what I was known as the
student athlete, the you know, the lacrosse player, and giving
that up was, you know, kind of an identity crisis
for a little bit. I was like, what am I
going to do with my time now? This was everything
to me. And then you know, here we are now here, we.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Are here, we are now do you And the last
question sports wise, because I'm a massive sports guy sports
show myself, but do you follow NFL at all? I
do not as close as the closely as I once did.
Why was there just was two? I had all the
concussions in Miami, and you know, he's out for a
long time, comes back and it's another one. And he
(16:50):
said in the off season he debated retirement. He's not
going to retire. It just seems similar like he's also
a very intelligent sounding, just a sound guy. And he's like,
you know, I had all these you guys just remind
me of each other when you talk about it. Yeah,
And he's had them happen him over and over again.
And when you're like, you know, when that got hit again,
(17:11):
there was another one. I feel like that happened to
him last year, Like he just went back out boom,
got another one, Like, how how long until you go?
All right? For the sake of my family and for
the rest of my career in whatever else, I'm going
to stop playing ball. I wonder if that's going to
happen to him. Yeah, that was all. It was just
the parallels there between you two.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
No, for sure, and like that was a tough part
for me to like come to grips with giving that up,
because you know, not only was it me giving it up,
it was my parents, like their time, their energy, traveling
to tournaments with me, Sley've invested for sure, sleeping in
the hotels, leaving work early, getting me to practice on time.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Like what do they tell you when you're Did you
have the conversation with them like I'm thinking about doing
this or did you just tell him you're doing it?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
So I was the conversation was open after the uh,
after the first severe one I had my freshman year
before I even had the second one, And you know,
it was surprising to see their reactions. My dad was
pretty supportive, but you know, he's comes from.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
The age of rub some dirt on it. Go back in, yeah,
back in.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
And you know, my dad's my dad's form of getting
better from being sick is going to the gym. And
that's what I've always done, even if I'm hat a sniffles,
like go work out.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Although it may not make you feel better.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Long term, you'll feel better for the day because you
went and got a sweat in.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
But it was weird.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
To see how much my mom held on too, just
what it was for me and come into the games
and rooting for me, And I think that they were
fearful of losing that part of their lives too. Now
they get to come cross and maybe the relationship that's
built in.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
They get to come and support you, and there is
a an avenue for them to be with you without
having to go, hey, let's just hang out, and you
do hang out, but yeah, that's it's definitely part of
the relationship. And now they get to come to concerts
all right, Now they get to come to shows. It's
all different. Now my mom gets some manage my money
and they get to watch and se how much money
(19:08):
you're spending too. With mine. I'll call and be like, hey,
can I get this. You'll have those calls soon. And
sometimes you'll call and go, did you just buy this?
And it's not my mom, but I'm like, uh, I forgot.
You can see everything. I'm lying. But yeah, now your
mom's going to be be doing making those calls.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I'm actually really glad because she's kept me, you know, nice,
and you know, on straight and narrow, and you know,
the money that I've spent has been nothing, but you know,
good resources investing in real estate and everything, and you know,
good assets.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
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Speaker 2 (19:54):
You know, it's guys like you that I really hate
because you're a great athlete and now you're killing it music.
It's like you have all the talents that I never had.
It's like God was looking up and he was like, okay,
let's equally put out all these talents. And he like
stumbled and fell and like threw some of you guys
all of it and it went right over my head.
And so I say that and I'm completely serious. But
other than that, here you are. Now you're killing it musically.
(20:17):
So when did music start for you? In a way
of Hey, I think if I invest my time into
this like I did. It could be athletics, it could
be school. Whatever it is, I think I can well
at least have a shot to have a shot. When
did that start to happen?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
So the short version of was music was always a
part of my life, but it was never something that
I invested heavily, right too, because it was always athletics.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Did you sing though, young?
Speaker 1 (20:43):
I did, but it was never I was never in
a band. I was never in the church choir, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I was neighbor plays. Did you ever sing on do
a show? Publicly? Didn't even know you could sing? Family, Family,
and friends.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I was the dude, Hey Warren, go grab your guitar
and play around the bonfire, you know what I mean.
I took a couple of lessons in middle school, but
I was always so focused on sports that I never
put the time and energy into the learning, you know,
the proper technique whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Whenever I wanted to learn something, I just go to YouTube.
I look at the courts sweat equity itself. Yeah right,
you don't have the time for that because you're put
it in something else. Yep.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
So the frame of mind was when COVID hit and
I'm an extrovert. I gotta be doing something. I just
gave up lacrosse. Now I'm back home. I transferred schools.
I'm living under mom and Dad's roof again. We're confined
to the walls of our home. I'm like, I'm going nuts.
And so my outlet was hop on social media, and
(21:44):
you know, while I'm in between taking classes and you know,
online zooms, I'm just going to start posting videos and
myself for fun of just singing songs that I like
and stuff that I'm listening to right now. First one
I put out on TikTok and Instagram was a cover
of Tennessee Whiskey, and people were like, who's this dude?
Like this is cool? Wake up the next morning It's
(22:05):
got three hundred thousand views. I'm like, what, Like that
was so big to me from first video posting on
social media of me singing, like, that's a pretty big number.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Were you shy to sing, let's say five years ago,
ten years ago, even you knew you could do it
a little bit? And they said Warren was the guy
with a guitar. Were you also the guy? We're like, yes,
you're all sing or were we like I don't know.
I think you know.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Actually I'm glad you bring that up because I haven't
really touched on this much in interviews.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
But I was actually bullied. I was.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I was an athlete, and in middle school I always
loved to sing, didn't matter whether if it was country,
whether it was rock, justin Bieber Christian music, whatever it was,
there was a song that I was connected to. I
just was humming it in the car, I was humming
it on the lacrosse field. I was always singing something.
But in middle school there was these two girls that
(22:58):
I had a crush on, and we got a Christmas party,
had a guitar, and they wanted me to sing. Hadn't
hit Puper deal yet, so voice sounded a certain way
and they videoed it, and surely enough it lived on
YouTube for years and years. So I got to high
school after three years of middle school of being berated.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
About this video. Why we're making fun of you for
the video? I think it was because of maybe the
way I sounded jealousy though, could you sing yeah? Like
there are people that sound terrible that don't get made
fun of. And this is my point, Yeah, if you
just sounded bad, I don't think anybody's gonna saything to
you because most people sound bad. Yeah, so it must
(23:40):
be in a way a sense of jealousy, because why
would you pick on somebody who just sounded bad unless
you're picking on somebody who sounds pretty good and you're
a little jealous that you don't have some sort of talent.
I got the crap beat out of me as a kid,
So like when you say that stuff, yeah, I go, huh,
let's evaluate and really get it in the So you
(24:02):
sounded weird, but could you hold a tune? Could you
stay likecky? Oh? Yeah, so they're jealous of you anyway?
Go ahead. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
So I think that that was a part of it,
and I think that's like what my parents kind of
taught me to. And you know, I I wouldn't go
back in time and change a thing because I think
that I keep that with me as a fuel of source.
And I'm happy that kind of happened to me because
it made my skin thicker. How would they bully well,
I think honestly, dude, I'd be in class and we'd
(24:28):
have a school project and these kids would put it,
put the video in their project and play it in
front of everybody, and it was like a thing that
they were yeah at any at any turn they could
get and it kind of, you know, pushed me away
from the whole music thing and probably pushed me away
from putting stuff on social media years and years ago.
(24:49):
And then it really got bad when I got to
high school and it was my first day as a
freshman for lacrosse tryouts as a freshman, and we were
getting ready to do workouts, and surely enough they put
the video on the speakers, over the loud speakers. The
same kids, no older kids, because kids in my class
(25:10):
told their older brothers on the team got about this video,
and surely enough, again try to get into my skin,
try to get in my psyche, the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
And it was kind of like at every turn, man.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Whether it was a school project, whether it was over
the speakers, whether it was on the bus after a game,
trying to play the video. Like I think the kids
just tried to find an angle to come at me.
I like to think I'm a pretty, you know, decent dude.
I like to think I'm decent looking, you know, I
have a charm to me. I hold myself a certain way,
but I think that they tried to find a weak
point in you know, on my side, and figure out
(25:46):
if they could get to me.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
But again, I look.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Back and I'm happy it happened because it makes all
of this that much better.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, sure, why didn't you go to the girls? But
I take the freaking video down. So I tried to.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I did for the long time, and they were like,
we don't remember the past word we did this. You know,
you try to file a thing on it, whatever it is,
this isn't me.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Try to take it down and it just nothing. I
hate that. I hate dad to go through that.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, it did suck, but you know, like I said,
it happened for a reason, and life goes on.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
And they're eating it right now because you're killing it.
They're eating it like play. Next time you go home,
you put the video up.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Well, so it's funny you bring that up. My mom,
she took it much more to heart than I did.
I never had those parents, and I was never that
dude who was like, I'm gonna get my mom and
dad involved. I was like, I'll handle my own stuff.
I'll take care of it. It's fine. I'm focused on lacrosse,
and I think that that was a big thing too
that bothered them that I never let them see me sweat.
(26:52):
My dad always said that, and I was just I
was a pretty good lacrosse player too, so I think
that that didn't help that I was getting playtime over
some older.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Kids as a sophomore.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
You're in as a freshman, so like also, you know
what I mean, So like they anything you can find.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
I'd be playing your video too if I was a
senior in your.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Trying to find someone's weak point. But like you said,
it makes it that much sweeter. But my mom said,
when you come back to Hershey and you play the
Hershey Park Stadium, I think we should put that video
completely agree up on the video walls.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Not only for you, but for all the other es
that are ten fifteen years younger than you that are
there watching it that night. Because again, as someone who
got bullied a lot, I got the crap beat out
of me constantly. I just kind of felt like I
was alone. But you get older and you realize that
a lot of people are going through it, but nobody
really talks about it, so everybody feels like they're doing
(27:45):
it by themselves. Yeah, yeah, I'm on your mom's side.
I think it's a great testament. I'm sorry I had
to go through that, And you know, the sweetness of
it is that, hey, look at me, I'm successful. The
sweetness is that you've been able to go through that
and you have the most valuable possible thing, which is
empathy for that situation and perspective. Yeah, and you can't
get those two things unless you've gone through that thing.
(28:08):
And so for that, like, I hate it happened, but
you made it through it, and now you can make
sure it doesn't happen for other people. Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah,
and I think that you're one hundred percent right.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
And it definitely did push me away from pursuing that
for the longest time. It was until really you know,
COVID and that whole thing and I got on social media.
But there was one more moment where when I went
to college, I brought my guitar with me and I
was kind of like, you know, against bringing it because
I was like, Okay, now I'm going to go to
college and I don't want to put up with the
(28:39):
same My mom was like, just bring it along. You know,
the chicks will love it. So I bring it, right
so I bring it along and I was playing in
my dorm room and it was super nice because the
I lived with seven other lacrosse players in a quad,
and they were like, their way of saying you're good was, dude,
you're actually not bad like you actually said.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
It's not yet exactly. You don't suck as bad as
I thought you would. Exactly. Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
And so then I was their little their little party
trick whenever we had, you know, women involved.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
And stuff hanging out with us.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
But yeah, it was small, little moments like that, And
I think that the Good Lord was always putting seedlings
out there for me. That music was something on my
heart that it was going to be something that I
would eventually do.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
So were you nervous, because I would have been the
very first time I'm recording myself to put it out
there republic, I'd have been like ooh, PTSD, almost like
I I'm gonna because you're playing, that's great. Heckmit's phone
would have come out whas playing. I'd be like, put
your phone down. I don't want to. I would feel
that just in me. So if you're posting a video
of yourself singing, I would think that would kind of
come into play.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
It definitely did, and I think that, you know, my
brain wanted to play tricks on me, and you're overthinking it,
overthinking it.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Like am I really going to post this? Am I
really going to put myself back out there?
Speaker 1 (29:54):
But it was one of those things where you know, post,
don't even look at it, don't acknowledge it, put it away.
And that when I said, when I woke up the
next morning and I saw the reactions, I was like, oh,
like that's kind of cool, Like.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
There's people out there that might enjoy what I do.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
So then I took that And then it wasn't in
that exact moment where I was like, this is something
I'm going to do. It was just kind of like,
you know what, that was cool. I'll continue to post
videos on social media in the meantime. Wow, I'm you know,
this will be my platform to start posting stuff for fun,
taking classes whatever.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Finished my junior year of college, Oh was the plan
because music wasn't quite there yet, but athletics was over
like that that purgatory, we'll call it purgatory. Yeah, well
what was the plan? Then?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Purgatory for me was just focusing on the books on school,
and I think that at that time being I was
actually working with my dad. I sold cars for two years,
and sales has always been in my blood, from my
grandfather to my dad to me.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
As my dad would like to say, shout out to
Papa Bear.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
We can wheel and deal, and We've always been really
good with just interact with people, and so I always
thought maybe I'd get into some form of medical sales
or something of that sorts just interacting with people. Now
I'm in the position of interacting with people all the time,
and now I get to sell my music and sell
myself as a person. But that purgatory for me was
(31:18):
focusing on mental health, focusing on physical health, and the
gym became, you know, my safe place, and that's where
I spent a lot of my time. After all those concussions,
I was like, you know, I'm so sick of being small,
whether it was now, when I develop a good body,
I want to develop strength whatever, and kind of build
up myself to be able to stand on my own
two feet and feel good about myself. So that was
(31:40):
kind of where I was at at that point in time,
super focused on lifting. But then after starting to post
those videos.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
What was the second song you posted?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Ah, that's a good question. What was the second song?
I know early on Chris Staples and was a lot.
I was doing some whiskey Meyers, I was doing What
else did I do? Broken Halo might have been the
second one.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
What was the biggest early The biggest early one, the
one where I was like, Okay, there might be something
here was my version of Nose on the Grindstone by
Taller Childers, and that had seventy eight hundred thousand views,
and that was.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Kind of like, Okay, this, this could be something cool
to pursue. And at this time, in this duration of
just sporadically posting here and there, there was no thought process.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
There was no watch you.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
And when I continued to do this and post the covers,
there was people being like, what's your original music?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
What are you writing? And I was like, had you
written any to know?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I'm like, I'm not a writer. I wasn't I wasn't
supposed to know. I wouldn't know anything about the music industry.
I'm going to be straight up with you. My thought
process of the music industry. I thought you had to
go on American Idol to actually get into the music industry.
I had knew nothing about this whole scene. No one
in my family was musician, musically talented, none of that,
(33:08):
so I never had any things to draw from to
know better. So like, hey, like, we want to know
your original music. So I was like, well, I don't
do that, but okay. So then I started writing, tried
it out for a song I wrote was my song
on the run in my childhood bedroom. I went to
guitar Center, I bought two microphones, bought an interface, watched
(33:30):
a YouTube video on my laptop, plugged it all in
one take in my bedroom, just set it up.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Had no idea what I was doing.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
I literally just pressed record, no mixing, no mastering, nothing,
just recorded it, singing the song from top to bottom.
I must have done it ten times and I picked.
I remember the pick in the tenth one. I was like,
that's pretty good. And uploading it. Had no idea what
you know people used tunecore and you know all these
other things as independent artists.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I was like, I don't even know how to get
a song with Spotify. I was like, I don't even
know how people do that.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
So I had to do all these things and learn
all these things to even get myself out there.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
So I want to headed in that.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
And during this duration of time, my manager today had
been reaching out to me for.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Four months through like the DM.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
DM email trying to find my phone number. It was
just trying to get a hold of me because he
thought I was already being managed because of the way
I was marketing myself, the way I was branding myself,
how I was controlling the fans from controlling, maybeout the
right word, but being like they were following me. They
weren't just followers passive followers on social media. They were like, Okay,
(34:38):
we're going to go hear what you're putting on YouTube.
We're going to go listen to your song now on
Spotify and Apple Music and YouTube. So he had already
thought I had a manager. I'm like, no, man, this
is this is just me doing the whole song and dance.
Finally got a hold of me, and it wasn't until
him and I spoke and we met.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
How do you finally get a hold of you? He
got my phone number, and I wish I remember how
he told me.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
He got it in a roundabout way, probably creepy, but
he got my phone number. Somehow calls me up and
I'm like, who's this dude, Some bald guy from Nashville
wanted to talk.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
To me forty two years old.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
I'm like, I know nothing about Nashville, never been down there,
had rarely traveled besides what I did for lacrosse. And
he was just like, hey, man, I don't want to
have a manager.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I don't want to step on any toes.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I just wanted to reach out and just check in
and see if you do or not, and see if
there's any way I could be of help.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
And I was like no. He's like, no, a tot all,
no manager, and you can't help me. No, no, no,
no to manager.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
And then I'm just again, no one knows anything about
the music indust true in my family. So I'm like, hey, Mom,
like there's this dude that wants to talk to me again.
I'm twenty one at this point, so in college he
wants to talk to me about me become out of
Nashville to meet him, YadA YadA. So him and I
build a rapport on just phone calls and texts for
a month. It wasn't until I went down to meet him.
(36:04):
It's so funny. Man just this story, I go down
and meet him. My first write in Nashville was when
I wrote Ride the Lightning. First time being in Nashville.
I wrote it in his guest bedroom. It was a
zoom right with Eric Pasley and Rob Crosby. I'm nervous
as crap love Eric Pasley, amazing artist, amazing writer. I'm like, dude,
I listened to you and now I'm going to be
on a zoom call with you and I'm writing.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I'm like, what is this world? So we wrote Ride
a Lightning and spend a week with him.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I come back home, but he was the first dude
to tell me you have something and it's up to
you if you want to pursue this, you can do this.
He was the first person to tell me this is
something you can do. You have something special. Because my
parents didn't know better. You know, they just knew I
could sing, but they didn't know like, this is something
to pursue and whatnot. So I come back home and
(36:54):
I was like, hey, man, I think you should really
fly back with me and meet my parents. I think
it's a respectful thing to do. I just spent a
week with you in Nashville.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
He didn't kill me. This is great. I'm still living
here dating somebody. I'm like, yeah, long DN the relationship.
You should come back. I'm I'm still living. I meet
the family. Yes.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
So he comes back, and I remember on the flight back,
I was like, okay, so remind me what you told me.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
You're we're gonna go back.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
We're gonna have my parents, and then you're gonna tell
them I'm dropping out of college because I'm like, I
hate school, I'm done with school. You're going to tell
them I'm dropping out. This is real because he went
through my dms with me. I had record labels and
I had publishers in my dms and had no idea
because I wasn't looking for it.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Like I had no idea I was looking for the
hot blawns. I wasn't. I wasn't looking for you know,
and who even knows, like you said, in Hershire, Pennsylvania,
the music industry isn't taught at the level you would
even know what a publisher is. I didn't know what
a publisher was, and I still barely that right. I mean, so,
(37:54):
I mean it's not that crazy, I know, being in Nashville.
If you said that, you're like Oh, but it's not
that I come from a down a seven hundred pe
in Arkansas. Yeah, I know crap about music. Yeah, except
for what I saw on television. And so what did
your parents say when this random guy shows up and
says your son's dropping out of college.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
They were shell shocked. My mom and dad. There was pushback.
They're like, you're so close to graduating.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Close.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
I think I was probably a little over a semester.
I was a little over a semester and that is close. Yes,
and me I was. I did well in school, but
it was never something that I was so I was
very just straight smarts, and I always did really well
in classes where I had the ability to use my talent.
(38:40):
So I did really well in marketing and sales because
it was just it was just kind of like things
you knew internally. It was in my blood. So long
story short, comes back, we sit down, we have a
nice meal, tells him and my mom was like, okay,
so if you're this was your son, what would you say?
Speaker 2 (38:59):
And he was this is his words.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
He was like, if my son was a talented as
your son, I would tell him, don't look back this.
You can always go back to school, this is something
you have a chance to do. And from that moment forward. Once,
like I said too early on the interview, when someone
tells me I can do something, and when I believe
in it myself and I have the ability to put
everything I have into it, I will. I will go
(39:21):
all in and I will do whatever it takes to succeed.
And once he gave me that green light and I
gave up school, dude, I was going. I was flying
back and forth to Nashville every other week, week at
a time, two weeks down there, writing, shaking hands, meeting people,
taking care of the socials.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
I still manage my socials man like.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
It's still me heavily, whether it's what I'm posting, what
I want to say, commenting the fans, like, I'm still
very heavily involved in that because that's what got me here,
and I still really want to be involved in that.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
So I love what I get to do.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
It just took someone to come along the way to
be like, you can do this, and I'm glad he did.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
And he's still your manager. He's bold, he has both
throw that in there. I know where I had to
I had I didn't visualize it better. Once you said that,
I thought, Okay, that's the only detail I remember. Yeah, yeah,
there you go. And a picture is like bald, pasty,
white head and I don't even know who it is.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
Yeah, yeah, the Bobby Cast will be right back.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
M h. This is the Bobby Cast writing songs. How
I'm not gonna say quickly, yeah, but I'm gonna I'll say,
how fast did you uh like acclimate to being in
(40:43):
a room with other people and sharing personal things to
be put into songs? You know?
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Man, It's it's like a muscle and you have to
work it to get used to it. And and it
is a It is an intimidating thing. I mean, again,
from a kid who knew nothing about this. I'm coming
into town, new kid on the block, never a writer.
These dudes are people I've looked up to, great writers,
great artists who are writing with me. It's intimidating, very
(41:10):
much so. So it definitely took time. But what I'm
so grateful for is I was getting into the right
rooms of people being welcoming and it was very much
of like, we know you're new to this, so we're
going to help you out. And it was an understanding
of knowing I'm new and people believing into me early.
(41:34):
So I think it was really cool of just perfect
storm getting in the right rooms with people that understood
what I was doing repetition and a lot of the
writers that are on my debut album coming out are
dudes that I've been writing with since I started in
town and because they believed in me early on, and
they just wanted to help me grow and just help
me get better doing this whole this whole thing I
(41:56):
call a lifestyle, not even a job.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
It's a lifestyle. That's what we do. It's pretty cool
that past lay is your first rite, Yeah, that you
write ride the Lightning, I mean. And Eric's written only
for breaks your Heart. You like young band, Barefoot, Blue
g Night, Jacob and Friday Night. His song that was
number one. I think you want to Cma for she
Don't Love You. She just loved that song. Yeah, awesome song,
(42:19):
that song. And but you may not know, which probably
you probably do because everybody knows the song in the
whole world because it's a massive hit. Eric and I
wrote a kid song together called When I Grow Up
that had just tens of streams. Here you go, Thank you,
Mike A. Little past lay Jim there, you've heard vocals
(42:41):
like that before, exactly exactly, no words. How many streams
does it have? Like, honestly, I don't see it on
this service. That's probably ten million every probably crushes Ride
the Lightning, I think about a billion. Yeah, oh yeah,
it was the first billion billion stream kids song. So yeah,
not desires. I'm just letting you know, buddy, you've done
one hundred shows. Now, that's that's you're putting that. I
(43:03):
mean you that's muscle memory there right, Like things are
going wrong enough that you don't have to freak out
about I'm going wrong. I mean that's me on stage
on a stand up. I was scared to death, not
of at first of my jokes just bombing because that
was going to happen anyway, but it was like, technically
what if some went wrong? But once it goes wrong
a few times and you're like, oh, what worst cases
this can happen? And then you actually get better because
you've gone through some crap on stage, you don't worry
(43:25):
about the crap as much anymore. And one hundred shows.
When I read that you did one hundred shows, I'm like, oh,
he's had enough mess up, so he's probably pretty comfortable now,
it's just getting on stage and letting it go. Yeah,
any accuracy there with that.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
One hundred percent. I think that it's like you said,
it's repetition. It's getting used to the uncontrollable. There's just
there's too many factors that you can't control, and I'm
just shy. Just passed a little bit of one hundred Now.
One hundredth show was Stagecoach, which was a lot of
fun and but yeah, I think my first show ever
(44:00):
it was It was funny. It was my acoustic tour
last year in March. First time I was stepping on
a stage, first time stepping on a stage. Man, I
was from seven hundred people for a sold out show
and I was like, holy shit, I'm actually about to
do this.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Was it weird that people came for you and paid
money for you, specifically you're selling your tickets. Yeah, I
think that that was the first couple of times, right, Yeah,
you're like, I have seven hundred people here.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Yeah, because you're so especially coming from the social media thing,
you see the numbers on the phone, You're like, okay,
like that's cool.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Well, the real eyeballs that paid, real money.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Honestly, now they're there time energy, merch their time, they're
buying drinks, they're having a great time, and no one's
forcing them to sing the words and they're singing word
for word at the top of their lungs. And it's like,
I was so nervous taken that stage, and there was
so many thoughts going through my head. And when I
tell you, things could have went wrong, things went wrong.
(44:51):
Vocal Mike's not working, feedback from the wedge that wasn't
getting fixed for four or five songs, like just having
to and I think I'm so grateful for the sports background,
just having to acclimate in uncomfortable situations, and I think
being in uncomfortable situations all the time, you get so
used to being uncomfortable and it just makes you a
(45:11):
better person for the uncontrollable. So it was after that
night though, that first show I played, people ask me
like when did you know, Like when did you know
this was like your thing? You know, you write the music,
you got the songs coming out, you're streaming, it's a
crazy it's cool, you're posting social media videos. But that night,
after playing my first show, it was like, Yep, this
(45:33):
is what I was born to do.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Was it a high when you were done?
Speaker 1 (45:35):
It was a high like no other. And there's just
there's And you can attest to this too. There's no
feeling like going out there in such loud crowds and
seeing the faces and shaking the hands and seeing the
signs and seeing them saying word for word, or just
laughing to your jokes, whatever it might be. It is
just like it's a unreal feeling of just the heart,
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the passion, the people, the way they resonate with songs.
You write a song one way and they take it
another way. But that's the beauty of music. It's you
take songs and fit them into your life the way
you need them.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
To tell me about Pretty Little Poison? The name first, yep,
why why the name pretty Little Poison? Is that about me?
Be honest, you.
Speaker 4 (46:21):
Wanted to be about you? I don't actually go ahead,
I don't think you do. Actually pretty Little Poison? So
I wrote that song? Well, how long did I write
that song?
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Already I was in the room, and that day I
just had on my I had on my mind.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
I was like, I would love to write a darker
themed love song because as you can I'm sure see
from some of the music that I have out very
minory keys, you know that outlaw feeling dark sense.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
To me minor for those listening. Minor usually dark, sad, somber, major, bright, fun.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Happy yeses and I love I love the major keys.
Think it's very on brand for what I do. But
when it came to writing Pretty Little Poison, I was like,
I don't have a song title, but I'm like, just conceptually,
we started talking about this idea in the room and
shout out to Ryan Beaver. He's got a couple songs.
I'm like, I love Ryan Beaver too, such a sweetheart
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of a dude, Like.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
It's so good as a and a singer, Like I
love his music too. Yep. Yeah, And he was one
of the first.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
He's one of the dudes early on to buy into
me and you know, helped me form myself into what
I am now and ever growing. But he's got a
couple songs on the debut album, Pretty Little Poison. But
when it came to writing pretty Little Poison, he came
up with pretty Poison. I was like, I love the piece,
I love the alliteration. I was like, what if we
wrote pretty Little poison and it was from that moment,
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just the word little it just made a click for us.
We wrote that song so fast, it just fell together.
And when we're done writing it, we got a demo
and I wrote the demo.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
I sang the demo twice.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
I got the demo back that we and I remember
when I got it, I said it to my manager.
I sent it to my ar dude, and I was like,
this song is something special and it was one of
those moments where you know you get a song like
this is a good song.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
It was. I believed it. When I got that song back,
I'm like, this is something that's going.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
To be heard, and yeah, that song is. It actually
kind of is a dark song if you actually listen
to the lyrics and what it truly represents and what
I've explained.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
It to be. But wrote it is the album dark
than it's got hints of it for sure.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
The overall ching arching theme I like to talk about
when it comes to the album and why we called
it pretty Little Poison was that's our focus that song.
But the overarching theme if you've watched you've seen the
music video by chance for Pretty Little Poison, it's okay if.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
You have no I wouldn't lie. Don't If you get
a chance to watch it, I'd love it if you did.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
But you never see the girl's face in the music video,
and it's supposed to represent this. I like to say
the faceless Cowgirl because the songs in this album are
about some women along the way in my life. Whether
it's my life personally, it's friends, life's overall arching stories
that I've heard from mothers as well, but a lot
of them hit home for me. But I wanted to
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have that ideology of the faceless cowgirl. And you can,
whether you're dude or whether you're a girl, it's a
faceless cowboy whatever.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
You can put yourself into those shoes.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
But the overall arching theme for Party Little Poison itself,
whether it's a female, it's going back to something in
life that you know is not good for you, you love
it that much. It's the temptress. It's this thing that
you know really deep down is not good for you,
but it just it's it's just that good that you
can't let it go.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Pop tarts For me, it's pop tarts, whatever it may be.
Your points is a cowgirl part. Yeah, Hey, I'm glad.
I know I shouldn't eat them, but I do, and
I keep rocking on brown Sugar guy at all. No, Yeah,
that's okay, they're okay. I'll lead them through the last one. Okay.
But brown Sugar and then Coffee went are disgusting too.
But anyway, back to you, it's about you, only about
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me occasionally. But no.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Yeah, the like I said, it's it's this thing that
you can't say no to, and it's just it's that sweet.
And I think that when I wrote it at that time,
I would like to joke that I spoke this song
into fruition, like I spoke this song into existence. I
thought when we were writing it, I was like, oh,
I've been here before. Because me and Ryan were going
back and forth. He's like, dude, I've had this before,
and I was like, yeah, I feel like I've definitely
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had it.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
It wasn't until after I wrote this song that I
truly knew what a pretty little poison was. I spoke
that song into existence man, and I went, so, you
manifested manifested poison in your life. Oh yeah, I'm gonna
leave it there, but you manifested the poison YEP. And
I hope. Sure you weren't searching for it purposefully, so
I hear you say no more. Yep, yep, probably was.
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So the sample of the four songs that I had
and heard, that's the Pretty Little Poison sampler. It's the EP.
But and there's when I asked about Prety Little Pison
that this the whole album. I'm gonna be named that too, right, Yep,
got it. Well, Look, let's play a clip that I
know we talked about it before you got here, mic,
but let's play a little bit of Pretty Little Poison,
Little Poison.
Speaker 4 (51:16):
Genous.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Just I'm excited for you, man. You know, it's it's
cool to see not just how you did it, but
what you're doing with what you did in the direction
that you're going still, because it's different, honestly, you know,
it's different, and in a time where a lot of homogenization,
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no doubt about it. There's a reason we wanted to
talk to you. Reason I wanted to talk to you, Yeah,
like I like to watch how you're doing it and
congratulations on everything. And I think there's also a lot
to be said about being uncomfortable, and if you're uncomfortable,
a whole lot of the time that when you're uncomfortable again,
it's not a shock to the system, and that for me,
it makes the comfortable times on most uncomfortable. I'll be
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honest with you where I'm like, this feels too good. Yeah,
something bad and sometimes that's unhealthy and I gotta stop that.
The one it is good, I'm questioning it. But now
I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
I appreciate that, and I'm I was super happy when
I figured out that. You know, I was wondering if
you ever want to have a conversation with me, But
I'm really I'm really happy you did and you brought
me on because I'm happy to hear that I'm not crazy.
But you know, I'm doing it a different way, and
I kind of knew when I was making this approach
and taking this way.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
Me and my manager were like, you know, you will help.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
You will have a certain time going through this process
because of the way you want to approach.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
The same way that you were bullied, and you learn
so many things about well all of it. You're going
through it a different way. You're gonna learn there are
gonna be a lot of haters too that are not
just you, but anybody that does it differently, And I
could list four or five artists that have done it differently,
and all of a sudden they're the worst. They're not
they're not country there's and then all of a sudden
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what they were doing pop so hard it became the norm.
And what I'm doing is kind of seeing this again
with how you're doing it, where nobody's hating on you
for your vocals or your image or anything, but you
are doing it in a bit of different way. But
also that's very legitimate, and that's that's what's different about it.
I like it. Keep your head down, keep pushing. I
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gotta tell you that you're already going to do that.
So yeah, you know me now, Yeah, big big fan
for sure. You guys follow Warren. It's just on Instagram
and TikTok. It's just warn ziders and Jennifer of March, April, May, June, July.
I alstill go to dor Fingers August twenty fifth, it's when
Pretty Little Poison comes out, you know, all the months
my number ten no okay, oh wait hold on, well no,
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if you look up in the sky, I was kind
of my fingers, I know, twelfth December, right, twelve is December.
I know that way. Yeah. I can go like five
deep May and then I lose it until about November
eleven and twelve. So you guys follow warm big fan,
really keep it up and really been great talking to you.
There is warren Ziders everybody. Thanks for listening to Bobby
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I wouldn't go back in time and change a thing
because I think that I keep that with me as
a fuel of source. And I'm happy that kind of
happened to me because it made my skin thicker.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to episode four oh six with Warren Ziders Mike.
After we finished this interview, my trainer who comes over
to the house, Kevin Klug, he saw Warren walk out.
Warren's pretty big dude, big dude, you know, former athlete.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Played what's that support?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
They throw the lacrosse? Okay, yes, lacrosse and not cokay, yes.
So he was like, was that Warren Zeyders? I said yeah,
And what he knew of Warren Zeider's was he said, Oh,
he's the guy that figured out the algorithm.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
And I said, what do you mean? He said, I
watched some of his stuff online.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I like it, but he's known because he figured it out,
Like he was smart enough to know how to use
TikTok and not only be real good, but implement like
the perfect strategy to blow up pack the system. And
I s really goes, yeah, so what do you what
do you know about the because I don't know. That's what
everybody says, like he's the one that figured it out.
(01:12):
So did you know I didn't know that. I didn't
know that now. Yeah, So I liked warn not really
what I expected, but in the best way because his
pictures he looks, I don't know, like he would brand uts.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I thought he was gonna come in like spit on
the floor, yea, throw some things.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Around, really warm, really nice guy. I mean he left
and I was like, dang, I like that dude. So Warrensiders,
let's tell you a little bit about him. His debut album,
Pretty Little Poison, comes out eight twenty five. Let me
do a finger Jani March, April, May, Junejuly August twenty fifth.
Got it. So the sampler is already out, and here's
a little clip of Pretty Little Poison for more Inxiders
(01:46):
right now. Geez MOBOs Ride the Lightning became a big hit,
kind of against social media.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Here's a clip of that one.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Because when the.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Class tracks Mann don't alrad.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
On tour through November fifteen to go to Warren Ziders
dot com, z I D E r s dot com.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
He's out with a thousand horses. He's twenty four. I
thought he was a little older, young guy. Yeah, just
a kid from Hershey, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Music, as he talks about, was not a massive part
of his household. You know, he's saying in church like
a lot of other artists, and played sports and then
I mean he had some real some real injury type
stuff like there's broken arms and legs, and then there's
head injuries like brain stuff, and so he got you know,
pretty dicey with him.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
But here he is.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Follow him on Instagram and TikTok at warren Zeider's z
E I D E r s and here he is
our time with Warren Zeiders. Nice watch you got there?
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
That new No, it's actually not it's a probably fifteen
years old.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
It was my dad's. I'm assuming it. It's from here.
It looks like a Rolex real legs yep. Yeah. I
mean I only recently started to get them because I've
only recently started to make good money, and I always
just saw them on TV. So I thought, one day,
when I start to make it, I'm gonna get one.
I got like seven now and I gotta stop. But
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now I see them. It's like when you have a
car and let's say you buy a you know, on
a cord. Yeah, and all of a sudden, you're like, god, damn,
there's so many accords on the road. As soon as
you walked in, I was like, I didn't even see
I just saw a Rolex walk in, and I'm like,
a Rolex just floated in the room. So and I'm
not liking it. Like Luke Combs is like a big
watch guy too, and so he's do you know much
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about watches? Because I don't. I don't either.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Like I said, this was my dad's and it was
actually a gift to me.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
It looks good, it's solid. I've had a lot of
people trying to buy it, but I'll write a number down.
You tell me if it's good enough to buy it
from me.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
No, I think there's something I'll hold on to and
give to my son once too. But it was supposed
to be a gift for me when I graduated college.
But I didn't graduate college. I signed a record deal instead.
So I was like, you know, do I still get
the role x?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
That's funny. You know, you're a lot smilier than I
thought you'd be. I've heard that before, like not that
it's good or bad, but hearing your music, seeing press
seeing press pictures of you like this here. You look
like a freaking cowboy that's gonna kick me in the
balls if I say a cross word about you or
your mama.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Instead, you're still that dude and you're ripped and you're
a good looking dude. But it's like your friendly as crap. Yeah,
I like to think I'm I think pretty friendly. Yeah,
I'm surprised, not that you're friendly, but you're just very happy.
I like it you. I assume you're grinding pretty hard
right now, just traveling playing shows.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Give me your last seventy two hours, last seventy two hours. Okay,
so we're on Let's day, Monday now, Yeah, I lean
up the roo.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yep, my bad. We're on Monday now, so you already
know he's going hard if he has to go. Okay,
we're on Monday. Okay, Yeah, I have the same thing sometimes. Yeah,
it's it's weird now CMA week.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
It's my first one, first time ever being there as
a fan either, So that was weird being in town
having shows, not being out of Nashville and.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Bobin and Weavin.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
But between I played Riverfront on Thursday and then I
did Spotify House and then after that got on the
bus that night, went to Iowa, played at the festival,
got to go out on stage for the first time
with Jelly Roll.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Super sweetheart of a human being.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Him and I had just recently met at the softball game,
the charity softball game, and he came up to me
and I was like, hey, man, like I'm more insiders,
and he's like, I know who you are and I
was like, oh, I didn't know that, So super nice dude.
Then did that and then got in yesterday morning, and
then I just did something for the Highway yesterday as well,
and then was doing stuff last night with my tour
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manager who's also my best friend.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
And then now here we are. How many of those
you say your tour manager is your best friend? Yeah,
how many of those people from home or like your
ould school friends do you kind of have in your
crew somewhat?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
So actually shout out to Jared. He just drove me
and dropped me off. My tour manager. He was actually
working for my mom, and he did not like his job.
He was an accountant, wasn't his thing. Didn't like being
at a desk and whatnot. So I pulled him out
of that he didn't have any background in this whole thing.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Neither did I. But here we are.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
We're doing pretty well so far. But I brought him
out of that and brought them on the road with me.
And it's nice having somebody from back home that I
not only that I trust, but someone that I know
has my back and loves me.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
That's been a big priority for me through my career too.
Like Mike here was an intern for me. Way he
runs the show now, Yeah, he's my voice as much
as I am. But like my co hosts on my
radio show were all people that never worked in radio yep,
but that they made me feel good and made me
perform better because I felt good, and then they got
really good at their jobs in the meantime. And it's
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just worked out and been pretty amazing that I've been
able to do that because it was all for me. Yeah,
I mean it's for them too. It really was for
me because they made me feel good, comfortable and safe,
and so that actually elevated me and it gave me
the freedom elevate myself. And I kind of feel like
that's happening with you here too. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I think as long as you're comfortable in doing what
you're doing, You're going to flourish, and I think that
that was the mindset behind it.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
And my parents are also very heavily involved.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I was raised in a family with businesses, and my
parents are both business acumen and my mom was a CFO.
My dad did investments for years and he's been in
cars car sales and ran dealerships for the past ten
to fifteen years as well. So they're heavily involved in
just helping me and helping me flourish and just have
my back, which is really fortunate to have that.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Are they involved in or do they look at the numbers? Oh? Yeah,
my mom's actually my business manager. Okay, now we're talking. YEP.
I struggled with hiring a business manager because again I
come from a very humble upbringing where I didn't know
you just went to the mill to work, yep. And
so I was like, wait, I got to pay somebody
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five percent depending on I was like, I don't, I
don't understand. First of all, they're going to look at
it everything I make, and then I got to pay somebody.
But then what had happened? And I think you're seeing
this and you have been for a bit now is
that I'm paying percentages to people.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Mm hm.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
So I got agents ten percent, I got managed at
fifteen percent. I got to pay the ban when I
was I got and I'm like, oh my god, I'll pay.
I'll pay my bmen or ten percent, whoever it is.
So it was weird for me to hire someone because
you have to really trust them, and I have that person.
But if it's your mom, I feel like I would.
I'd be pretty trusting if as my mom too, especially
if she has again the business acumen that you talk about.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yep yep CPAs she likes to say to me, she's overqualified.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
But she takes great care of me.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
And there's no one else I would trust in the
world to look over my finances and.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Just have my back. Where do you live now? I'm
actually down here now, So Nashville's home. How long has
it been home?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I feel like it's been probably nine months to a year.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
That's it, huh.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
But by the time I got down here, you know,
I joke about it. People are like, you live down
here now? I'm like, well, I moved down here in
time to start touring so that I'm never around. But
it's been great. To me, I'm in and out, you know, writing,
touring management. Everyone likes to keep me busy and I
like to be busy.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
So it's been good whenever you do things like CMA
Week and it's consistent, you're going from event to event
or event to show. Are you feeling we'll call it love.
Are you feeling love consistently now for your music and
who you are? I think so.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I think that you know, you joked around when I
first walked in here and you were like, I thought
you were going to be like this, And I think
that I have that part of me that's inside of me,
and that's kind of from my sports background and everything,
and you know, I get that from my dad. I
always like to say my Dad's we're both lovers until
we don't have to be, and we're both teddy bears.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
But you know, I have.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
An edge to who I am and that's definitely a
part of my brand and you know what I am
on stage. But I've I've definitely felt the love. I
think this week was such a success. I didn't know
what to expect with CMA Fest and getting out there
and whether is this a good time.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Slaughter or whatever it is?
Speaker 1 (10:01):
But to see, you know, the pockets of people screaming
word for word and making new fans. It definitely felt
a successful week for me, and you know, integrating into
the scene of Nashville.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Why don't want people to get it twisted. You cant
still rip my head off. I'm looking at your arms here.
You can still rip my head off, and I think
you would if I set a cross word. So when
I say your friend like, you're like you could do
all the things that I thought you could do, as
far as like beat me up, break my back, whatever
you needed to do. So don't take that as I'm
calling you went Lauren, because you still got it. Man.
Uh you played lacrosse, yep. Seems physical, like a physical score.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I have seven concussions to account for it being physical.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
You just said that twice. Yeah, I did your concussions.
I said it three times. You said, well, so tell
me about lacrosse. I didn't grow up around lacrosse. Yeah.
Most of my friends that live West Coast or up
in the you know, northeastern part of the United States,
they are they're introduced, and they play lacrosse more than
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people from the south. YEP. So talk to me about
the game.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
The game man, the roots really are Actually it's actually
Native American sport. And I don't know how much I
have in my blood, but I do have some Native
American in my I'm not just saying that, but from
my I think it's my grandmother's side. But long story short,
I always thought I was going to be a hockey player.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
For the longest time. I was obsessed with hockey. Did
you played hockey?
Speaker 5 (11:22):
No?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Because my dad and I used to watch it all
the time.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I grew up going to Hershey Bears games because I'm
from Hershey and they were the farm team for.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
The Washington Capitals.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
So I was obsessed with hockey, loved rollerblading and all that,
got into ice skating, the whole thing. But when I
eventually moved to Hershey in fourth grade, I was introduced
to sport of lacrosse. It was a it's a big
thing up there around Maryland, Pennsylvania, New York, the whole
whole shebang. And when I picked up lacrosse stick, it
was kind of in that moment I realized, I was like,
(11:53):
this is something cool, this is something I could see
myself doing. And dude, after a year of playing it
became my life, and I played all.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Year, so there was did you like the contact? I did?
Speaker 1 (12:03):
I didn't mind the contact. I was actually kind of
a smaller kid. I could never put on weight, and
that was always something that kind of bothered me. But
I was always super fast and agile, so I could
get away from it.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I like to think I'd get.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Away from it, but it's having concussions doesn't really say
I did get away from the contact. If now being
twenty four and looking back, I definitely probably would.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Have hit the weight room sooner.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
But it wasn't until after I kind of got to
college where lifting became a huge thing for me because
I went to college to play, but now lifting is
everything to me. Working out is such a big pivotal
part of my life.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
But twelve years man, were you pretty good high school
player to play collegiate? Did you have scouts coming?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yep, college visits. I did the whole thing. And like
I said, I was playing all year round. So springtime
is school season for lacrosse, and so I played summer
league ball.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I was going to showcases, I was going to colleges.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I was doing tournaments, same thing in the fall league
and then winter league. We played in a dome and stuff,
so I was always always playing.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Where'd you play in college?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I went to a school called Frostburg State University. It's
in Maryland. I went to go play Division three and
what I loved so much about it was unfortunately I
didn't get to play very much because day two of practice.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I got laid out by.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
A twenty four year old marine who was back from
some years of service. And the way college athletics work,
you know, you can have years of eligibility if you
don't use them.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
There have been quarterbacks they've been twenty eight years old,
I know. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah, So I was coming off of a pick and
I got blindsided and laid me out flat on my back,
blacked out. Started season called an ambulance and I was
out for months, and I was confined pretty much to
a black room for months. What do you mean, like
as in I wasn't able to play. I was missing
Oh you were out of school and was missing classes,
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couldn't take exams like I couldn't think it was and
I kind of.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Went into a depression. Yeah, well I see that.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, yeah, Because like there was you know, blue light
the screens, like watching TV would give you headaches, you'd
get sick, like it was a it was a pretty
major concussion.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Did you start to think that maybe it was never
going to be right again? That definitely was a fear
of mine.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
And I was spending a lot of weekends traveling back
home to PA because we have Hershey Medical Center and
the doctors there it took really good care of me,
and just was like, hey, man, you've had a couple
like minor concussions. This one's pretty major. If this happens again,
like we're gonna have a different conversation. And surely enough,
(14:34):
you know, I'm I'm a dude that when I'm committed
to something, I give everything I have. And now I
get to say that I do this for country music
and I love what I do. But when it came
to Lacrosse and I had those months off and I
had some time to reflect, I was like, you know,
you know the saying, you know, get knocked down, it's
up to you to get back up. So when it
came to winter break, you know, friends were out partying
(14:57):
and drinking and stuff, but me, I was spending two
a day and I was focused on taking care of
my health and getting back on that field, spring comes
around and get back to school surely enough. I think
it was God's way of saying, this isn't for you anymore.
And I had another concussion.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Wait you went back? Yeah, after all that, you went back. Yeah,
Like there's committed yep, and then there's are you sure? Yeah,
so you go back. And my experience with friends, I've
had some head issues, but never significant like yours. Some
of my friends who've played professional sports talk about how
(15:36):
if they've been hit and had a concussion or two,
sometimes the lightest thing can cause a concussion. Afterward, it's
almost like you've been exposed, so it's easier to be
exposed to again. Is that what happened this time?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
It was it was the moment where when I went
back for the spring season and I got hit, it
was like I didn't even have to think about it.
I got up from the hit and I was like,
I'm jacked up. I just know really yeah, I just
knew in my heart the way my neck snapped way
hit the ground. I was like, that's it and threw
my helmet off, and I just it was just that
(16:05):
moment of you do something for so long it becomes
a part of who you are becomes a part of
your identity. Yeah, that's what I was known as the
student athlete, the you know, the lacrosse player, and giving
that up was, you know, kind of an identity crisis
for a little bit. I was like, what am I
going to do with my time now? This was everything
to me. And then you know, here we are now here, we.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Are here, we are now do you And the last
question sports wise, because I'm a massive sports guy sports
show myself, but do you follow NFL at all? I
do not as close as the closely as I once did.
Why was there just was two? I had all the
concussions in Miami, and you know, he's out for a
long time, comes back and it's another one. And he
(16:50):
said in the off season he debated retirement. He's not
going to retire. It just seems similar like he's also
a very intelligent sounding, just a sound guy. And he's like,
you know, I had all these you guys just remind
me of each other when you talk about it. Yeah,
And he's had them happen him over and over again.
And when you're like, you know, when that got hit again,
(17:11):
there was another one. I feel like that happened to
him last year, Like he just went back out boom,
got another one, Like, how how long until you go?
All right? For the sake of my family and for
the rest of my career in whatever else, I'm going
to stop playing ball. I wonder if that's going to
happen to him. Yeah, that was all. It was just
the parallels there between you two.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
No, for sure, and like that was a tough part
for me to like come to grips with giving that up,
because you know, not only was it me giving it up,
it was my parents, like their time, their energy, traveling
to tournaments with me, Sley've invested for sure, sleeping in
the hotels, leaving work early, getting me to practice on time.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Like what do they tell you when you're Did you
have the conversation with them like I'm thinking about doing
this or did you just tell him you're doing it?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
So I was the conversation was open after the uh,
after the first severe one I had my freshman year
before I even had the second one, And you know,
it was surprising to see their reactions. My dad was
pretty supportive, but you know, he's comes from.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
The age of rub some dirt on it. Go back in, yeah,
back in.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
And you know, my dad's my dad's form of getting
better from being sick is going to the gym. And
that's what I've always done, even if I'm hat a sniffles,
like go work out.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Although it may not make you feel better.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Long term, you'll feel better for the day because you
went and got a sweat in.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
But it was weird.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
To see how much my mom held on too, just
what it was for me and come into the games
and rooting for me, And I think that they were
fearful of losing that part of their lives too. Now
they get to come cross and maybe the relationship that's
built in.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
They get to come and support you, and there is
a an avenue for them to be with you without
having to go, hey, let's just hang out, and you
do hang out, but yeah, that's it's definitely part of
the relationship. And now they get to come to concerts
all right, Now they get to come to shows. It's
all different. Now my mom gets some manage my money
and they get to watch and se how much money
(19:08):
you're spending too. With mine. I'll call and be like, hey,
can I get this. You'll have those calls soon. And
sometimes you'll call and go, did you just buy this?
And it's not my mom, but I'm like, uh, I forgot.
You can see everything. I'm lying. But yeah, now your
mom's going to be be doing making those calls.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I'm actually really glad because she's kept me, you know, nice,
and you know, on straight and narrow, and you know,
the money that I've spent has been nothing, but you know,
good resources investing in real estate and everything, and you know,
good assets.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
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Speaker 2 (19:54):
You know, it's guys like you that I really hate
because you're a great athlete and now you're killing it music.
It's like you have all the talents that I never had.
It's like God was looking up and he was like, okay,
let's equally put out all these talents. And he like
stumbled and fell and like threw some of you guys
all of it and it went right over my head.
And so I say that and I'm completely serious. But
other than that, here you are. Now you're killing it musically.
(20:17):
So when did music start for you? In a way
of Hey, I think if I invest my time into
this like I did. It could be athletics, it could
be school. Whatever it is, I think I can well
at least have a shot to have a shot. When
did that start to happen?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
So the short version of was music was always a
part of my life, but it was never something that
I invested heavily, right too, because it was always athletics.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Did you sing though, young?
Speaker 1 (20:43):
I did, but it was never I was never in
a band. I was never in the church choir, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I was neighbor plays. Did you ever sing on do
a show? Publicly? Didn't even know you could sing? Family, Family,
and friends.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I was the dude, Hey Warren, go grab your guitar
and play around the bonfire, you know what I mean.
I took a couple of lessons in middle school, but
I was always so focused on sports that I never
put the time and energy into the learning, you know,
the proper technique whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Whenever I wanted to learn something, I just go to YouTube.
I look at the courts sweat equity itself. Yeah right,
you don't have the time for that because you're put
it in something else. Yep.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
So the frame of mind was when COVID hit and
I'm an extrovert. I gotta be doing something. I just
gave up lacrosse. Now I'm back home. I transferred schools.
I'm living under mom and Dad's roof again. We're confined
to the walls of our home. I'm like, I'm going nuts.
And so my outlet was hop on social media, and
(21:44):
you know, while I'm in between taking classes and you know,
online zooms, I'm just going to start posting videos and
myself for fun of just singing songs that I like
and stuff that I'm listening to right now. First one
I put out on TikTok and Instagram was a cover
of Tennessee Whiskey, and people were like, who's this dude?
Like this is cool? Wake up the next morning It's
(22:05):
got three hundred thousand views. I'm like, what, Like that
was so big to me from first video posting on
social media of me singing, like, that's a pretty big number.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Were you shy to sing, let's say five years ago,
ten years ago, even you knew you could do it
a little bit? And they said Warren was the guy
with a guitar. Were you also the guy? We're like, yes,
you're all sing or were we like I don't know.
I think you know.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Actually I'm glad you bring that up because I haven't
really touched on this much in interviews.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
But I was actually bullied. I was.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I was an athlete, and in middle school I always
loved to sing, didn't matter whether if it was country,
whether it was rock, justin Bieber Christian music, whatever it was,
there was a song that I was connected to. I
just was humming it in the car, I was humming
it on the lacrosse field. I was always singing something.
But in middle school there was these two girls that
(22:58):
I had a crush on, and we got a Christmas party,
had a guitar, and they wanted me to sing. Hadn't
hit Puper deal yet, so voice sounded a certain way
and they videoed it, and surely enough it lived on
YouTube for years and years. So I got to high
school after three years of middle school of being berated.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
About this video. Why we're making fun of you for
the video? I think it was because of maybe the
way I sounded jealousy though, could you sing yeah? Like
there are people that sound terrible that don't get made
fun of. And this is my point, Yeah, if you
just sounded bad, I don't think anybody's gonna saything to
you because most people sound bad. Yeah, so it must
(23:40):
be in a way a sense of jealousy, because why
would you pick on somebody who just sounded bad unless
you're picking on somebody who sounds pretty good and you're
a little jealous that you don't have some sort of talent.
I got the crap beat out of me as a kid,
So like when you say that stuff, yeah, I go, huh,
let's evaluate and really get it in the So you
(24:02):
sounded weird, but could you hold a tune? Could you
stay likecky? Oh? Yeah, so they're jealous of you anyway?
Go ahead. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
So I think that that was a part of it,
and I think that's like what my parents kind of
taught me to. And you know, I I wouldn't go
back in time and change a thing because I think
that I keep that with me as a fuel of source.
And I'm happy that kind of happened to me because
it made my skin thicker. How would they bully well,
I think honestly, dude, I'd be in class and we'd
(24:28):
have a school project and these kids would put it,
put the video in their project and play it in
front of everybody, and it was like a thing that
they were yeah at any at any turn they could
get and it kind of, you know, pushed me away
from the whole music thing and probably pushed me away
from putting stuff on social media years and years ago.
(24:49):
And then it really got bad when I got to
high school and it was my first day as a
freshman for lacrosse tryouts as a freshman, and we were
getting ready to do workouts, and surely enough they put
the video on the speakers, over the loud speakers. The
same kids, no older kids, because kids in my class
(25:10):
told their older brothers on the team got about this video,
and surely enough, again try to get into my skin,
try to get in my psyche, the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
And it was kind of like at every turn, man.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Whether it was a school project, whether it was over
the speakers, whether it was on the bus after a game,
trying to play the video. Like I think the kids
just tried to find an angle to come at me.
I like to think I'm a pretty, you know, decent dude.
I like to think I'm decent looking, you know, I
have a charm to me. I hold myself a certain way,
but I think that they tried to find a weak
point in you know, on my side, and figure out
(25:46):
if they could get to me.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
But again, I look.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Back and I'm happy it happened because it makes all
of this that much better.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, sure, why didn't you go to the girls? But
I take the freaking video down. So I tried to.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I did for the long time, and they were like,
we don't remember the past word we did this. You know,
you try to file a thing on it, whatever it is,
this isn't me.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Try to take it down and it just nothing. I
hate that. I hate dad to go through that.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, it did suck, but you know, like I said,
it happened for a reason, and life goes on.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
And they're eating it right now because you're killing it.
They're eating it like play. Next time you go home,
you put the video up.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Well, so it's funny you bring that up. My mom,
she took it much more to heart than I did.
I never had those parents, and I was never that
dude who was like, I'm gonna get my mom and
dad involved. I was like, I'll handle my own stuff.
I'll take care of it. It's fine. I'm focused on lacrosse,
and I think that that was a big thing too
that bothered them that I never let them see me sweat.
(26:52):
My dad always said that, and I was just I
was a pretty good lacrosse player too, so I think
that that didn't help that I was getting playtime over
some older.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Kids as a sophomore.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
You're in as a freshman, so like also, you know
what I mean, So like they anything you can find.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
I'd be playing your video too if I was a
senior in your.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Trying to find someone's weak point. But like you said,
it makes it that much sweeter. But my mom said,
when you come back to Hershey and you play the
Hershey Park Stadium, I think we should put that video
completely agree up on the video walls.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Not only for you, but for all the other es
that are ten fifteen years younger than you that are
there watching it that night. Because again, as someone who
got bullied a lot, I got the crap beat out
of me constantly. I just kind of felt like I
was alone. But you get older and you realize that
a lot of people are going through it, but nobody
really talks about it, so everybody feels like they're doing
(27:45):
it by themselves. Yeah, yeah, I'm on your mom's side.
I think it's a great testament. I'm sorry I had
to go through that, And you know, the sweetness of
it is that, hey, look at me, I'm successful. The
sweetness is that you've been able to go through that
and you have the most valuable possible thing, which is
empathy for that situation and perspective. Yeah, and you can't
get those two things unless you've gone through that thing.
(28:08):
And so for that, like, I hate it happened, but
you made it through it, and now you can make
sure it doesn't happen for other people. Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah,
and I think that you're one hundred percent right.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
And it definitely did push me away from pursuing that
for the longest time. It was until really you know,
COVID and that whole thing and I got on social media.
But there was one more moment where when I went
to college, I brought my guitar with me and I
was kind of like, you know, against bringing it because
I was like, Okay, now I'm going to go to
college and I don't want to put up with the
(28:39):
same My mom was like, just bring it along. You know,
the chicks will love it. So I bring it, right
so I bring it along and I was playing in
my dorm room and it was super nice because the
I lived with seven other lacrosse players in a quad,
and they were like, their way of saying you're good was, dude,
you're actually not bad like you actually said.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
It's not yet exactly. You don't suck as bad as
I thought you would. Exactly. Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
And so then I was their little their little party
trick whenever we had, you know, women involved.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
And stuff hanging out with us.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
But yeah, it was small, little moments like that, And
I think that the Good Lord was always putting seedlings
out there for me. That music was something on my
heart that it was going to be something that I
would eventually do.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
So were you nervous, because I would have been the
very first time I'm recording myself to put it out
there republic, I'd have been like ooh, PTSD, almost like
I I'm gonna because you're playing, that's great. Heckmit's phone
would have come out whas playing. I'd be like, put
your phone down. I don't want to. I would feel
that just in me. So if you're posting a video
of yourself singing, I would think that would kind of
come into play.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
It definitely did, and I think that, you know, my
brain wanted to play tricks on me, and you're overthinking it,
overthinking it.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Like am I really going to post this? Am I
really going to put myself back out there?
Speaker 1 (29:54):
But it was one of those things where you know, post,
don't even look at it, don't acknowledge it, put it away.
And that when I said, when I woke up the
next morning and I saw the reactions, I was like, oh,
like that's kind of cool, Like.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
There's people out there that might enjoy what I do.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
So then I took that And then it wasn't in
that exact moment where I was like, this is something
I'm going to do. It was just kind of like,
you know what, that was cool. I'll continue to post
videos on social media in the meantime. Wow, I'm you know,
this will be my platform to start posting stuff for fun,
taking classes whatever.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Finished my junior year of college, Oh was the plan
because music wasn't quite there yet, but athletics was over
like that that purgatory, we'll call it purgatory. Yeah, well
what was the plan? Then?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Purgatory for me was just focusing on the books on school,
and I think that at that time being I was
actually working with my dad. I sold cars for two years,
and sales has always been in my blood, from my
grandfather to my dad to me.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
As my dad would like to say, shout out to
Papa Bear.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
We can wheel and deal, and We've always been really
good with just interact with people, and so I always
thought maybe I'd get into some form of medical sales
or something of that sorts just interacting with people. Now
I'm in the position of interacting with people all the time,
and now I get to sell my music and sell
myself as a person. But that purgatory for me was
(31:18):
focusing on mental health, focusing on physical health, and the
gym became, you know, my safe place, and that's where
I spent a lot of my time. After all those concussions,
I was like, you know, I'm so sick of being small,
whether it was now, when I develop a good body,
I want to develop strength whatever, and kind of build
up myself to be able to stand on my own
two feet and feel good about myself. So that was
(31:40):
kind of where I was at at that point in time,
super focused on lifting. But then after starting to post
those videos.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
What was the second song you posted?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Ah, that's a good question. What was the second song?
I know early on Chris Staples and was a lot.
I was doing some whiskey Meyers, I was doing What
else did I do? Broken Halo might have been the
second one.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
What was the biggest early The biggest early one, the
one where I was like, Okay, there might be something
here was my version of Nose on the Grindstone by
Taller Childers, and that had seventy eight hundred thousand views,
and that was.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Kind of like, Okay, this, this could be something cool
to pursue. And at this time, in this duration of
just sporadically posting here and there, there was no thought process.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
There was no watch you.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
And when I continued to do this and post the covers,
there was people being like, what's your original music?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
What are you writing? And I was like, had you
written any to know?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I'm like, I'm not a writer. I wasn't I wasn't
supposed to know. I wouldn't know anything about the music industry.
I'm going to be straight up with you. My thought
process of the music industry. I thought you had to
go on American Idol to actually get into the music industry.
I had knew nothing about this whole scene. No one
in my family was musician, musically talented, none of that,
(33:08):
so I never had any things to draw from to
know better. So like, hey, like, we want to know
your original music. So I was like, well, I don't
do that, but okay. So then I started writing, tried
it out for a song I wrote was my song
on the run in my childhood bedroom. I went to
guitar Center, I bought two microphones, bought an interface, watched
(33:30):
a YouTube video on my laptop, plugged it all in
one take in my bedroom, just set it up.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Had no idea what I was doing.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
I literally just pressed record, no mixing, no mastering, nothing,
just recorded it, singing the song from top to bottom.
I must have done it ten times and I picked.
I remember the pick in the tenth one. I was like,
that's pretty good. And uploading it. Had no idea what
you know people used tunecore and you know all these
other things as independent artists.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I was like, I don't even know how to get
a song with Spotify. I was like, I don't even
know how people do that.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
So I had to do all these things and learn
all these things to even get myself out there.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
So I want to headed in that.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
And during this duration of time, my manager today had
been reaching out to me for.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Four months through like the DM.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
DM email trying to find my phone number. It was
just trying to get a hold of me because he
thought I was already being managed because of the way
I was marketing myself, the way I was branding myself,
how I was controlling the fans from controlling, maybeout the
right word, but being like they were following me. They
weren't just followers passive followers on social media. They were like, Okay,
(34:38):
we're going to go hear what you're putting on YouTube.
We're going to go listen to your song now on
Spotify and Apple Music and YouTube. So he had already
thought I had a manager. I'm like, no, man, this
is this is just me doing the whole song and dance.
Finally got a hold of me, and it wasn't until
him and I spoke and we met.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
How do you finally get a hold of you? He
got my phone number, and I wish I remember how
he told me.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
He got it in a roundabout way, probably creepy, but
he got my phone number. Somehow calls me up and
I'm like, who's this dude, Some bald guy from Nashville
wanted to talk.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
To me forty two years old.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
I'm like, I know nothing about Nashville, never been down there,
had rarely traveled besides what I did for lacrosse. And
he was just like, hey, man, I don't want to
have a manager.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I don't want to step on any toes.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I just wanted to reach out and just check in
and see if you do or not, and see if
there's any way I could be of help.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
And I was like no. He's like, no, a tot all,
no manager, and you can't help me. No, no, no,
no to manager.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
And then I'm just again, no one knows anything about
the music indust true in my family. So I'm like, hey, Mom,
like there's this dude that wants to talk to me again.
I'm twenty one at this point, so in college he
wants to talk to me about me become out of
Nashville to meet him, YadA YadA. So him and I
build a rapport on just phone calls and texts for
a month. It wasn't until I went down to meet him.
(36:04):
It's so funny. Man just this story, I go down
and meet him. My first write in Nashville was when
I wrote Ride the Lightning. First time being in Nashville.
I wrote it in his guest bedroom. It was a
zoom right with Eric Pasley and Rob Crosby. I'm nervous
as crap love Eric Pasley, amazing artist, amazing writer. I'm like, dude,
I listened to you and now I'm going to be
on a zoom call with you and I'm writing.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I'm like, what is this world? So we wrote Ride
a Lightning and spend a week with him.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I come back home, but he was the first dude
to tell me you have something and it's up to
you if you want to pursue this, you can do this.
He was the first person to tell me this is
something you can do. You have something special. Because my
parents didn't know better. You know, they just knew I
could sing, but they didn't know like, this is something
to pursue and whatnot. So I come back home and
(36:54):
I was like, hey, man, I think you should really
fly back with me and meet my parents. I think
it's a respectful thing to do. I just spent a
week with you in Nashville.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
He didn't kill me. This is great. I'm still living
here dating somebody. I'm like, yeah, long DN the relationship.
You should come back. I'm I'm still living. I meet
the family. Yes.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
So he comes back, and I remember on the flight back,
I was like, okay, so remind me what you told me.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
You're we're gonna go back.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
We're gonna have my parents, and then you're gonna tell
them I'm dropping out of college because I'm like, I
hate school, I'm done with school. You're going to tell
them I'm dropping out. This is real because he went
through my dms with me. I had record labels and
I had publishers in my dms and had no idea
because I wasn't looking for it.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Like I had no idea I was looking for the
hot blawns. I wasn't. I wasn't looking for you know,
and who even knows, like you said, in Hershire, Pennsylvania,
the music industry isn't taught at the level you would
even know what a publisher is. I didn't know what
a publisher was, and I still barely that right. I mean, so,
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I mean it's not that crazy, I know, being in Nashville.
If you said that, you're like Oh, but it's not
that I come from a down a seven hundred pe
in Arkansas. Yeah, I know crap about music. Yeah, except
for what I saw on television. And so what did
your parents say when this random guy shows up and
says your son's dropping out of college.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
They were shell shocked. My mom and dad. There was pushback.
They're like, you're so close to graduating.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Close.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
I think I was probably a little over a semester.
I was a little over a semester and that is close. Yes,
and me I was. I did well in school, but
it was never something that I was so I was
very just straight smarts, and I always did really well
in classes where I had the ability to use my talent.
(38:40):
So I did really well in marketing and sales because
it was just it was just kind of like things
you knew internally. It was in my blood. So long
story short, comes back, we sit down, we have a
nice meal, tells him and my mom was like, okay,
so if you're this was your son, what would you say?
Speaker 2 (38:59):
And he was this is his words.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
He was like, if my son was a talented as
your son, I would tell him, don't look back this.
You can always go back to school, this is something
you have a chance to do. And from that moment forward. Once,
like I said too early on the interview, when someone
tells me I can do something, and when I believe
in it myself and I have the ability to put
everything I have into it, I will. I will go
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all in and I will do whatever it takes to succeed.
And once he gave me that green light and I
gave up school, dude, I was going. I was flying
back and forth to Nashville every other week, week at
a time, two weeks down there, writing, shaking hands, meeting people,
taking care of the socials.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
I still manage my socials man like.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
It's still me heavily, whether it's what I'm posting, what
I want to say, commenting the fans, like, I'm still
very heavily involved in that because that's what got me here,
and I still really want to be involved in that.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
So I love what I get to do.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
It just took someone to come along the way to
be like, you can do this, and I'm glad he did.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
And he's still your manager. He's bold, he has both
throw that in there. I know where I had to
I had I didn't visualize it better. Once you said that,
I thought, Okay, that's the only detail I remember. Yeah, yeah,
there you go. And a picture is like bald, pasty,
white head and I don't even know who it is.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
Yeah, yeah, the Bobby Cast will be right back.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
M h. This is the Bobby Cast writing songs. How
I'm not gonna say quickly, yeah, but I'm gonna I'll say,
how fast did you uh like acclimate to being in
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a room with other people and sharing personal things to
be put into songs? You know?
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Man, It's it's like a muscle and you have to
work it to get used to it. And and it
is a It is an intimidating thing. I mean, again,
from a kid who knew nothing about this. I'm coming
into town, new kid on the block, never a writer.
These dudes are people I've looked up to, great writers,
great artists who are writing with me. It's intimidating, very
(41:10):
much so. So it definitely took time. But what I'm
so grateful for is I was getting into the right
rooms of people being welcoming and it was very much
of like, we know you're new to this, so we're
going to help you out. And it was an understanding
of knowing I'm new and people believing into me early.
(41:34):
So I think it was really cool of just perfect
storm getting in the right rooms with people that understood
what I was doing repetition and a lot of the
writers that are on my debut album coming out are
dudes that I've been writing with since I started in
town and because they believed in me early on, and
they just wanted to help me grow and just help
me get better doing this whole this whole thing I
(41:56):
call a lifestyle, not even a job.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
It's a lifestyle. That's what we do. It's pretty cool
that past lay is your first rite, Yeah, that you
write ride the Lightning, I mean. And Eric's written only
for breaks your Heart. You like young band, Barefoot, Blue
g Night, Jacob and Friday Night. His song that was
number one. I think you want to Cma for she
Don't Love You. She just loved that song. Yeah, awesome song,
(42:19):
that song. And but you may not know, which probably
you probably do because everybody knows the song in the
whole world because it's a massive hit. Eric and I
wrote a kid song together called When I Grow Up
that had just tens of streams. Here you go, Thank you,
Mike A. Little past lay Jim there, you've heard vocals
(42:41):
like that before, exactly exactly, no words. How many streams
does it have? Like, honestly, I don't see it on
this service. That's probably ten million every probably crushes Ride
the Lightning, I think about a billion. Yeah, oh yeah,
it was the first billion billion stream kids song. So yeah,
not desires. I'm just letting you know, buddy, you've done
one hundred shows. Now, that's that's you're putting that. I
(43:03):
mean you that's muscle memory there right, Like things are
going wrong enough that you don't have to freak out
about I'm going wrong. I mean that's me on stage
on a stand up. I was scared to death, not
of at first of my jokes just bombing because that
was going to happen anyway, but it was like, technically
what if some went wrong? But once it goes wrong
a few times and you're like, oh, what worst cases
this can happen? And then you actually get better because
you've gone through some crap on stage, you don't worry
(43:25):
about the crap as much anymore. And one hundred shows.
When I read that you did one hundred shows, I'm like, oh,
he's had enough mess up, so he's probably pretty comfortable now,
it's just getting on stage and letting it go. Yeah,
any accuracy there with that.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
One hundred percent. I think that it's like you said,
it's repetition. It's getting used to the uncontrollable. There's just
there's too many factors that you can't control, and I'm
just shy. Just passed a little bit of one hundred Now.
One hundredth show was Stagecoach, which was a lot of
fun and but yeah, I think my first show ever
(44:00):
it was It was funny. It was my acoustic tour
last year in March. First time I was stepping on
a stage, first time stepping on a stage. Man, I
was from seven hundred people for a sold out show
and I was like, holy shit, I'm actually about to
do this.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Was it weird that people came for you and paid
money for you, specifically you're selling your tickets. Yeah, I
think that that was the first couple of times, right, Yeah,
you're like, I have seven hundred people here.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Yeah, because you're so especially coming from the social media thing,
you see the numbers on the phone, You're like, okay,
like that's cool.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Well, the real eyeballs that paid, real money.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Honestly, now they're there time energy, merch their time, they're
buying drinks, they're having a great time, and no one's
forcing them to sing the words and they're singing word
for word at the top of their lungs. And it's like,
I was so nervous taken that stage, and there was
so many thoughts going through my head. And when I
tell you, things could have went wrong, things went wrong.
(44:51):
Vocal Mike's not working, feedback from the wedge that wasn't
getting fixed for four or five songs, like just having
to and I think I'm so grateful for the sports background,
just having to acclimate in uncomfortable situations, and I think
being in uncomfortable situations all the time, you get so
used to being uncomfortable and it just makes you a
(45:11):
better person for the uncontrollable. So it was after that
night though, that first show I played, people ask me
like when did you know, Like when did you know
this was like your thing? You know, you write the music,
you got the songs coming out, you're streaming, it's a
crazy it's cool, you're posting social media videos. But that night,
after playing my first show, it was like, Yep, this
(45:33):
is what I was born to do.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Was it a high when you were done?
Speaker 1 (45:35):
It was a high like no other. And there's just
there's And you can attest to this too. There's no
feeling like going out there in such loud crowds and
seeing the faces and shaking the hands and seeing the
signs and seeing them saying word for word, or just
laughing to your jokes, whatever it might be. It is
just like it's a unreal feeling of just the heart,
(46:00):
the passion, the people, the way they resonate with songs.
You write a song one way and they take it
another way. But that's the beauty of music. It's you
take songs and fit them into your life the way
you need them.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
To tell me about Pretty Little Poison? The name first, yep,
why why the name pretty Little Poison? Is that about me?
Be honest, you.
Speaker 4 (46:21):
Wanted to be about you? I don't actually go ahead,
I don't think you do. Actually pretty Little Poison? So
I wrote that song? Well, how long did I write
that song?
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Already I was in the room, and that day I
just had on my I had on my mind.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
I was like, I would love to write a darker
themed love song because as you can I'm sure see
from some of the music that I have out very
minory keys, you know that outlaw feeling dark sense.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
To me minor for those listening. Minor usually dark, sad, somber, major, bright, fun.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Happy yeses and I love I love the major keys.
Think it's very on brand for what I do. But
when it came to writing Pretty Little Poison, I was like,
I don't have a song title, but I'm like, just conceptually,
we started talking about this idea in the room and
shout out to Ryan Beaver. He's got a couple songs.
I'm like, I love Ryan Beaver too, such a sweetheart
(47:16):
of a dude, Like.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
It's so good as a and a singer, Like I
love his music too. Yep. Yeah, And he was one
of the first.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
He's one of the dudes early on to buy into
me and you know, helped me form myself into what
I am now and ever growing. But he's got a
couple songs on the debut album, Pretty Little Poison. But
when it came to writing pretty Little Poison, he came
up with pretty Poison. I was like, I love the piece,
I love the alliteration. I was like, what if we
wrote pretty Little poison and it was from that moment,
(47:44):
just the word little it just made a click for us.
We wrote that song so fast, it just fell together.
And when we're done writing it, we got a demo
and I wrote the demo.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
I sang the demo twice.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
I got the demo back that we and I remember
when I got it, I said it to my manager.
I sent it to my ar dude, and I was like,
this song is something special and it was one of
those moments where you know you get a song like
this is a good song.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
It was. I believed it. When I got that song back,
I'm like, this is something that's going.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
To be heard, and yeah, that song is. It actually
kind of is a dark song if you actually listen
to the lyrics and what it truly represents and what
I've explained.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
It to be. But wrote it is the album dark
than it's got hints of it for sure.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
The overall ching arching theme I like to talk about
when it comes to the album and why we called
it pretty Little Poison was that's our focus that song.
But the overarching theme if you've watched you've seen the
music video by chance for Pretty Little Poison, it's okay if.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
You have no I wouldn't lie. Don't If you get
a chance to watch it, I'd love it if you did.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
But you never see the girl's face in the music video,
and it's supposed to represent this. I like to say
the faceless Cowgirl because the songs in this album are
about some women along the way in my life. Whether
it's my life personally, it's friends, life's overall arching stories
that I've heard from mothers as well, but a lot
of them hit home for me. But I wanted to
(49:20):
have that ideology of the faceless cowgirl. And you can,
whether you're dude or whether you're a girl, it's a
faceless cowboy whatever.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
You can put yourself into those shoes.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
But the overall arching theme for Party Little Poison itself,
whether it's a female, it's going back to something in
life that you know is not good for you, you love
it that much. It's the temptress. It's this thing that
you know really deep down is not good for you,
but it just it's it's just that good that you
can't let it go.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Pop tarts For me, it's pop tarts, whatever it may be.
Your points is a cowgirl part. Yeah, Hey, I'm glad.
I know I shouldn't eat them, but I do, and
I keep rocking on brown Sugar guy at all. No, Yeah,
that's okay, they're okay. I'll lead them through the last one. Okay.
But brown Sugar and then Coffee went are disgusting too.
But anyway, back to you, it's about you, only about
(50:07):
me occasionally. But no.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Yeah, the like I said, it's it's this thing that
you can't say no to, and it's just it's that sweet.
And I think that when I wrote it at that time,
I would like to joke that I spoke this song
into fruition, like I spoke this song into existence. I
thought when we were writing it, I was like, oh,
I've been here before. Because me and Ryan were going
back and forth. He's like, dude, I've had this before,
and I was like, yeah, I feel like I've definitely
(50:31):
had it.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
It wasn't until after I wrote this song that I
truly knew what a pretty little poison was. I spoke
that song into existence man, and I went, so, you
manifested manifested poison in your life. Oh yeah, I'm gonna
leave it there, but you manifested the poison YEP. And
I hope. Sure you weren't searching for it purposefully, so
I hear you say no more. Yep, yep, probably was.
(50:52):
So the sample of the four songs that I had
and heard, that's the Pretty Little Poison sampler. It's the EP.
But and there's when I asked about Prety Little Pison
that this the whole album. I'm gonna be named that too, right, Yep,
got it. Well, Look, let's play a clip that I
know we talked about it before you got here, mic,
but let's play a little bit of Pretty Little Poison,
Little Poison.
Speaker 4 (51:16):
Genous.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Just I'm excited for you, man. You know, it's it's
cool to see not just how you did it, but
what you're doing with what you did in the direction
that you're going still, because it's different, honestly, you know,
it's different, and in a time where a lot of homogenization,
(51:38):
no doubt about it. There's a reason we wanted to
talk to you. Reason I wanted to talk to you, Yeah,
like I like to watch how you're doing it and
congratulations on everything. And I think there's also a lot
to be said about being uncomfortable, and if you're uncomfortable,
a whole lot of the time that when you're uncomfortable again,
it's not a shock to the system, and that for me,
it makes the comfortable times on most uncomfortable. I'll be
(52:01):
honest with you where I'm like, this feels too good. Yeah,
something bad and sometimes that's unhealthy and I gotta stop that.
The one it is good, I'm questioning it. But now
I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
I appreciate that, and I'm I was super happy when
I figured out that. You know, I was wondering if
you ever want to have a conversation with me, But
I'm really I'm really happy you did and you brought
me on because I'm happy to hear that I'm not crazy.
But you know, I'm doing it a different way, and
I kind of knew when I was making this approach
and taking this way.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
Me and my manager were like, you know, you will help.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
You will have a certain time going through this process
because of the way you want to approach.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
The same way that you were bullied, and you learn
so many things about well all of it. You're going
through it a different way. You're gonna learn there are
gonna be a lot of haters too that are not
just you, but anybody that does it differently, And I
could list four or five artists that have done it differently,
and all of a sudden they're the worst. They're not
they're not country there's and then all of a sudden
(52:58):
what they were doing pop so hard it became the norm.
And what I'm doing is kind of seeing this again
with how you're doing it, where nobody's hating on you
for your vocals or your image or anything, but you
are doing it in a bit of different way. But
also that's very legitimate, and that's that's what's different about it.
I like it. Keep your head down, keep pushing. I
(53:18):
gotta tell you that you're already going to do that.
So yeah, you know me now, Yeah, big big fan
for sure. You guys follow Warren. It's just on Instagram
and TikTok. It's just warn ziders and Jennifer of March, April, May, June, July.
I alstill go to dor Fingers August twenty fifth, it's when
Pretty Little Poison comes out, you know, all the months
my number ten no okay, oh wait hold on, well no,
(53:40):
if you look up in the sky, I was kind
of my fingers, I know, twelfth December, right, twelve is December.
I know that way. Yeah. I can go like five
deep May and then I lose it until about November
eleven and twelve. So you guys follow warm big fan,
really keep it up and really been great talking to you.
There is warren Ziders everybody. Thanks for listening to Bobby
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