April 5, 2026 • 29 mins
If you didn’t listen to my episode a few weeks ago about how the worst people in the world sometimes have the most confidence—this week I’m revisiting the topic.
This time, I’m coming in hot with some real-world examples of how my four and five year old kids taught me about confidence.
While watching my preschoolers have the quintessential childhood experience of learning to ride a two-wheeled bike, I simultaneously learned about human nature, my own nature, and was reminded where confidence actually comes from.
If you struggle with confidence sometimes like I do, first of all—you’re normal. Second of all, I hope you’ll enjoy these reflections on why confidence matters and what we can do to cultivate confidence everyday.
Host: Ally Fallon // @allyfallon // allisonfallon.com
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Hi, and welcome back to the Write Your Story Podcast.
I'm Ali Fallon. I'm your host, And on today's episode,
I want to revisit a topic that I started to
address a couple of weeks ago on an episode, and
I even said in that episode that I might come
back and talk about this topic again. And today feels
like the perfect time to do that, if only because
I had an experience this week with my two kids
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that gave me a lot of insight into this topic
and really got me to think about it from a
different perspective. I even have this beautiful conversation with my
daughter who is five, that just, I mean truly stopped
me dead in my tracks. It was like she and
I really connected over this issue, and I saw myself
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and her and it was such an amazing moment and
such an amazing connection. It just felt like, oh gosh,
like a light bulb moment for me, and I don't
know if it will feel that way for you, but
I wanted to share about the experience and revisit this
idea of confidence. The episode that I recorded a couple
of weeks ago was playing on this idea that sometimes
it feels like the worst people in the world have
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the most confidence. And really, what I'm saying with that
is that sometimes confidence is something that I really struggle with.
I don't lack confidence from the standpoint that I know
I am a good person with good intentions and that
I really have something meaningful to contribute to the world.
But sometimes I do struggle with confidence in terms of
actually doing something that feels scary for me, like you know,
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standing on a stage and delivering a keynote speech which
I have done before, or even getting on Instagram sometimes
and posting a reel, which I've done a thousand times before.
But there are moments when, like putting my ideas out
there or trying something new, or just like being vulnerable,
it feels like such an unsteady thing to do and
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I feel at times that I lack confidence to do
those things, and this experience with my daughter just gave
me so much compassion for myself. It gave me such
an understanding of who I am, and I just walked
away feeling like I had a clearer picture of what
was going on. I wanted to share this with you.
So this started a couple of weeks ago when we
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told our two kids who are four and five, that
we were going to take the training wheels off of
their bikes. They got bikes for Christmas, probably two years ago,
so not this past Christmas, but the year before, so
maybe not quite two years. They have ridden the heck
out of these bikes. They are obsessed with bike riding.
They ride in circles in our driveway. We go down
to the park that's in our neighborhood that's called Cornelia
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Ford Airpark used to be an airport, so it's got
these huge open spaces that are like, you know, think
like airport runways where they can just ride and ride
and ride. They ride in these massive circles. They love
it so much. They are obsessed with bike riding, but
their training wheels were slowing them down. That's the bottom line,
they just could not go very fast with the training
wheels on, and both Matt and I were like, they're
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ready to ride without training wheels, and so we're like,
we're gonna take your training wheels off. It's this big
exciting thing. We made a big moment out of it.
We take them down to the airpark, we take their
training wheels off, and I'm helping Charlie and Matt's helping Nola,
and we do the thing where you hold onto the
back of the seat and you kind of run alongside
of them, and Charlie just took off on his bike.
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I mean I held the back of the seat for
like three seconds. He takes off on his bike. He's
just like, no training wheels, no practice, never has ridden
a two wheeled bike before, and just completely takes off
down this runway at the air park and just goes
And Matt and I are like floored, like we're like
so excited, we're proud. We're like, oh my gosh, Charlie,
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like you didn't even it took nothing, and you're just
riding your bike. Look at you. You're riding a two
wheeled bike. Well, Nella's watching this whole thing happen, and
she didn't have the same experience riding her bike. She
had a very normal experience learning how to ride a
bike without training wheels on where Matt was holding the
back of the seat. You know, they'd go a little bit,
he'd run alongside of her and she'd kind of tip
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over to one side and catch herself, and then they
would try again, and try again, and try again. She
did this four or five times. But as soon as
she saw her brother take off on the bike without
training wheels, without any practice, like, no experience, no falling over,
no nothing like literally just takes off on the bike.
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And as soon as she sees that happen, something happens
for her in her brain, and she just short circuited.
She was like, I don't want to ride a bike.
I want my training wheels back on. Matt and I
were like, hey, Nola, you don't need your training wheels
back on. Your training wheels are holding you back, Your
training wheels are slowing you down. You are fully capable
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to ride a bike with just two wheels. This takes
a minute to learn, and for everyone it takes a
minute to learn, and that's totally normal, and it's just
going to take you a minute. But as soon as
you learn how to ride this, like, you're free. You
can bike wherever you want a bike. You can go,
you know, in these huge circles, all by yourself. And
she was like, you're saying to me that everyone has
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to go through this process of learning kind to ride
their bike. But I'm looking at my brother and he
doesn't have to go through this process of learning how
to ride his bike. He just took off on the
first try. How come I can't take off on the
first try. And I was just watching her have this
comparison with her brother and a complete and utter melt
down over the bike. She was just like, I'm not
gonna ride unless you put my training wheels back on.
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And Matt was like, well, we're not going to put
the training wheels back on because you don't need them
and you can ride without them. And she was like, well,
then I'm never riding my bike again again. And this
is like maybe four or five weeks ago, so we
were like, okay, well, I guess you're never riding your
bike again then, and you know, come back home and
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kind of seems like that's that. Well, a few weeks later,
I was having a conversation with her about riding her bike.
She was like, I miss riding my bike, and Dad
put my training wheels back on. And I was like, Nela,
Dad's not going to put your training wheels back on
because you don't need them. The training wheels are holding
you back. And your dad and I both know this,
and we both are more than confident in your ability
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to learn how to ride your bike. You just have
to keep practicing. That's what it takes to learn how
to ride a bike. And she was like, it's embarrassing.
I don't want to keep practicing. My brother is younger
than me and he didn't have to keep practicing and
he just rode his bike. How come I can't just
ride my bike? And this was the moment I was
talking about when I was having so much compassion for
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her and having so much compassion for myself. I was like,
oh gosh, this is kind of me. I really don't
like seeing other people be better than I am at something,
or getting something that I'm not getting, or just being
quick to learn something that takes me a minute to learn,
and it brings up a lot of embarrassment and shame
for me, and I was just watching this happen in
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my five year old and I was like, oh my gosh. Yeah,
it's tricky to watch someone else get something right away
when it takes you a minute to learn it. But
I just want you to know, Nella that it's really
really normal for it takes some time to learn. And
one of the things that you can be sure of
when you're learning to ride your bike is that there
are going to be moments when you topple over, when
you fall, when you scrape your knee. That's just part
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of riding a bike. And Charlie's going to have those
moments too where he falls off his bike. And everybody's different.
We had a long conversation about how everybody's different and
everybody has a different skins, and I said, some people
are good at tennis, and some people are good at
riding bikes, and some people are good at baseball, and
some people are good at math, and some people are
good at science, and people are just good at different things.
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So I was saying, you know, how, for you, you've
had a really easy time learning your letters and learning
how to write your name and learning how to read
those short books. And Charlie is younger than you. He
hasn't learned how to do those things yet. Every kid
is different, every person is different, and some things are
going to come really easily to you and maybe not
as easily to Charlie. And some things are going to
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come easy to Charlie and maybe not as easily to you.
But that doesn't mean that we don't want to learn
how to do them. So we just had this whole
long conversation and she was taking it in and just
trying to figure out, you know, what she wanted to
do next. And she did eventually say, Okay, I think
I do want to get back on my bike and
learn how to write it. So she decides. Nella decides
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she wants to learn to write her bike. Matt and
I take her outside to teach her how to do this.
Two things that we taught her. Number one one is
that in order to build confidence in your ability to
ride a bike, you need to know that you can
stop yourself. You need to know that if you are
about to crash that bike, that you know how to stop.
So that was the first thing that we taught her.
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I felt like this would really give her a sense
of security if she knew that if she felt like
she was gonna, you know, run off the rails or
run into something, she knew how to stop herself and
how to get off the bike. So the first thing
we did was teach her how to pull the brake
lever and to put her feet down. Once you know
how to pull the brake lever and put your feet down,
you know that you can stop any time that you want.
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And this in itself builds confidence knowing that you can
stop any time that you want, that you have control
over this situation. And if there's ever a moment where
you feel like you're going too fast or you're going
to topple over like you actually can put your feet
down and keep yourself from falling. And then two on
the kind of other side of the spectrum. One thing
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I realized is I was teaching her how to do
this is that if she would get a little skittish
and would slow down too much, her bike becomes very wobbly.
So something that we taught her is the faster you pedal,
the more stable you will be. And this can be
counterintuitive because you think when you encounter something that is,
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you know, a potential obstacle on your course, you think
the answer is to slow down, and sometimes the answer
is to speed up, because when you pedal faster, you
create stability for yourself. So two things number one knowing
how to stop yourself and number two, knowing how to
peddle faster in order to stabilize. And as I was
thinking about confidence and how confidence is built through any skill,
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I realized these are two important sides of the coin
to discuss. Number one, knowing that I always have control
over the situation. I can always pull the brake lever
whenever I want, and that pulling the brake and setting
my feet down is going to stabilize. That's one way
to stabilize myself. And two, I can always put my
foot on the gas. I can always pedal faster, and
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that's another way that I can stabilize myself. And then
knowing when to pick which option, which is an even
trickier part, but over time we learn, you know when
to choose to slow ourselves down and put our feet
down and when to choose to speed up in order
to stabilize. But as we taught her these two things,
it helped her build that confidence so that she could
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ride her bike and within you know, a few hours,
she was riding circles around her brother honestly in the driveway.
And then, in a turn of events that shocked everyone,
my son Charlie, once he saw Nella cruising on her bike,
decided that he no longer wanted to ride a bike
unless we put his training wheels back on. And then,
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in a turn of events that shocked everyone, my son Charlie,
once he saw Nella cruising on her her bike, decided
that he no longer wanted to ride a bike unless
we put his training wheels back on. I couldn't explain
this if you gave me a whole lifetime. I have
no idea what the the internal dynamics were here, were
happening here that shifted this. But yeah, once he saw
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his sister riding confidently on her bike, he no longer
wanted to ride on his bike until we put his
training whils back on. And we told him the same
thing that we had told Nella, which is your training wheels.
You don't need them. They are holding you back, they're
making you go very slow, and you have absolutely everything
that you need. You have all the skills that you
need to ride this bike, so you do not need
us to put the training wails back on. We're not
going to put the training wheels back on when you're
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you know, when you're ready, you will ride this bike
without training wheels. You did it the first time that
you ever tried, Charlie, you do not need the training
wheels back on. So then we're having a conversation with
Charlie about confidence too. But one thing I thought was
interesting is that this concept of confidence, the skills that
it takes to ride a bike are actually not that complex.
It's like, you know, take some takes that like the
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motion with your feet, I guess, and just knowing when
to stop yourself. But really the main driver of what
allows you to ride a bike is confidence without the
confidence to ride the bike. And in fact, I think
that's the main difference between the two kids. It's the
main reason why Charlie rode so quickly is because he
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has an innate sense of security and confidence. That boy
is just it's built into him. I don't know if
this is like epigenetics of like like I don't know,
he has like the epigenetics of a white male privilege.
Like I don't know if that's a thing or if
it's a second child thing, or some combination of all
of the above. He also just has the genetics of
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my husband, so he's like very athletic. He's really good
with his hands. He yeah, he's just like a big, sturdy,
strong boy. So there's that. But he just moves through
the world with utter confidence. He's like an extreme extrovert.
He says hi to people. He seems scared of virtually nothing.
He's got a very tender heart, but he is extremely,
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extremely confident in his own physical ability. I have seen
him struggle with confidence when it comes to more academic stuff.
Watching his sister learn how to read, for example, you
can see him kind of like, go, oh, he doesn't
know what those letters, what the sounds are that are
attached to the letters, and she knows. They're so close
in age. That's just such a fascinating science experiment to
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watch the two of them interact with one another and
figure out their own world. But either way, he just
has this insane innate confidence about him, whereas Nella seems
to struggle more. This could be the first child thing.
I think the first child in a family structure has
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maybe usually some more anxiety going on, like more caution.
Usually I've seen this to be a pattern at least
I don't think it's like a for sure in every situation,
but like there's more usually more caution around that first child,
more like a hesitancy with her, and that seems to
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be a pretty significant X factor in terms of learning
to do something like ride a bike. But a couple
of parallels that I just want to point out, and
I know this is like sort of cheesy, but it
felt really powerful for me at the time. Number One,
you can keep riding with your training wheels on, but
why would you when you don't need them anymore and
they're holding you back and they're making you go too slow.
Like if there's something in your life where you are
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keeping the training wheels as a security blanket, but you
know you really don't need them, and you know you're
ready to move on to the next phase, It's time
to take the training wheels off and learn how to
ride a two wheeled bike. Everybody is different, and it
would happen at different ages for different kids, but like
at my kids four and five, it's like, you both
are ready, it's time to take the training wheels off.
We're not going to keep using you don't need them anymore.
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They're slowing you down, they're holding you back. It's time
to just go. So that's one thing. Two is the
X factor in terms of how quickly you learn how
to do this thing, is mostly about confidence. There are
skills that are required in order to execute on this
particular task, and it would be the same with any task.
Speaking on a stage, writing a book, posting on social media,
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starting a business, dating, anything that you want to list.
There are a certain set of skills that are required
in order to be excellent at that thing or in
order to be successful at that thing. But the main
X factor that is going to determine whether or not
you are successful at it is your own confidence. And
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this is why to me, it sometimes feels unfair that
when quote, the worst people in the world are the
most confident that idea from that previous episode I recorded.
The reason that feels unfair is because there are people
in the world who are more skilled, who are a
you know, have better ethics, who are more moral, who
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have great hearts, who you know, just have such an
amazing thing to contribute to the world, who maybe lack
the confidence, and so when they get on the bike
they're not taking off in the same way this other
person is. And that's because confidence is the greatest X
factor to whether or not you are going to take
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off on that first try or second try or third try.
And so this brings me to the point of today's episode,
which is the question that my daughter asked me. My
daughter asked me somewhere in the middle of this five
week journey to learning how to ride bikes, she asked me, Mom,
where does confidence come from? Because I kept saying, like,
what you really need is confidence. See, that's all Charlie
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has that you don't have is confidence. The only difference
between Charlie and you is he has the confidence to
take off and you don't have the confidence. So she
just said to me, Mom, where does confidence come from?
And I said, that's such a great question. And I
had to sit with it for a minute, and then
I finally told her, now, a confidence comes from inside
your confidence comes from inside of you. And here's what's
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wild is it doesn't matter how confident Mom is in you,
how confident Dad is in you, how confident your Mimi
is in you, your Uncle Luke is in you, how
confident these other people are in you? Like, we can
all be so confident in you, but if you aren't
confident in you, then you're never going to take off,
You're never gonna ride your bike. And confidence comes from
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knowing that even if you fall, you're going to be okay.
Confidence comes from knowing that you know how to stop yourself.
Confidence comes from knowing that when you start to feel unsteady,
that you can speed up and you can create more stability.
Confidence comes from experience. Confidence actually comes from falling, from failing,
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from not doing it right. That's part of how your
confidence is built. Over time, you know, oh, okay, I'm
not going to do it that way because this happened
when I did it that way, And over time, slowly,
your own internal sense of I can handle myself on
this bike becomes stronger and stronger and stronger, and you'll
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be riding like a pro. I was just listening to
myself say these things, and I'm like, on this topic
of confidence, the only thing stopping me from having as
much confidence as anyone else in the world is me.
Because confidence is an inside job. Confidence is an internal endeavor.
Confidence comes from inside of me, and it really doesn't
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matter how much confidence other people have. In me, how
much belief they have in me, how much you know
resources they pour into me, how much effort you know
it does. None of that matters. The only thing that
matters is whether or not I believe that I've got myself.
And the only thing that matters for you is whether
you believe that you you've got yourself in anything that
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you want to try, whether you want to try healing
or repairing a relationship that has been really challenging for you,
Maybe you want to try dating, Maybe you want to
try to start a family. Maybe you want to try
to start a business. Maybe you have a skill that
you want to learn, like improv comedy, or maybe you
want to try yoga for the first time. Trying something
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new for the first time is a great way for
you to come face to face with your own lack
of confidence. Trying something even not new, like trying something
like posting on Instagram, something that's vulnerable, something where you're
going to be seen, something where you put yourself out there.
Something yeah that is that opens the door to who
you really are. Anything like that is going to put
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you face to face with your own confidence or something
times lack thereof. And I feel like for me one
of the things that's happened in the last handful of years.
Confidence is always something I've struggled with, if I'm honest,
and I'm similar to my daughter in that I feel
confident when I'm winning, and if I can't win, then
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I don't want to play the game, which I know
makes me a sore loser. It's something that I've worked on.
But I'm telling you, I have been like this since
the time I was her age, and it was so
healing for me to watch this happen in her because
it's like, maybe this is a character flaw, but it's
a character flaw that I come by very honestly. Whether
it's genetic or epigenetic or whatever it is, it's a
character flaw that I've had my entire life. I've been
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like this since I was a baby, since I was
a child, and I can remember being on the tennis
team in high school and being like an okay tennis player.
I played singles at a school that had a very
new tennis team. My school opened the year that I
was a freshman in high school, and so we didn't
have a very established athletic department, and so thankfully because
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of that, I was good enough to make the tennis team,
because if we'd had a super established athletic department, I
probably would not have been. But I played singles in
high school and I had a great coach who helped
me a lot. And one of the things that he
used to really get on my case about is he
would say, Ali, the minute that you start to lose
the match, you mentally check out. He's like, the minute
that you realize that you're down a point, you're like
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forget it, and you just almost throw the match intentionally.
And it's just something that has been a part of
who I am for as long as I can remember.
I hate to lose so much that I would just
rather not play. I would rather lose on purpose then
lose on accident and have that blow to my confidence.
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So I do have confidence in certain areas, in things
where I already have a lot of skills, But if
I'm trying something that I don't necessarily have skills in,
or if I'm trying something where I'm putting myself out
out there, I'm being vulnerable or it's something I haven't
tried before, then yeah, I do struggle with confidence, and
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this experience that I've had over the course of the
last six years of trying something that I had not
tried before, where I was so out of my depth
that didn't go the way that I planned for it
to go, where ultimately I quote unquote failed. There are
so many reasons why this experience wasn't a failure. This
business investment that my husband and I made. If you
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don't have any idea what I'm talking about, then that
must mean you're new here, because I've talked a lot
about this. But I made a big investment my husband
and I did. We spent a total of four or
five years trying to get this thing off the ground.
It did not go the way that we hoped. We
ended up losing a ton of money. The business fell apart,
we almost fell out for bankruptcy. It's been a very
stressful time and we're on the other side of it now.
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We have stabilized quite significantly and I feel like we're
out of the woods. But I've spent a lot of
time processing this these last couple of years, and one
of the things that I realized in having this experience
with my daughter and having this conversation with her is
how much the quote unquote failure of that investment has
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given me a blow to my confidence, has made me
feel like I don't know if I can do any
of the things that I've wanted to do. And when
I was talking to her about riding the bike and
talking about how important it is to have these experiences
of failure, to fall off your bike and realize, like
I actually look at that, I almost crashed into something
and I caught myself. That's part of how confidence is
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built is knowing I've got myself. I've no matter what happens,
I've got myself. And when I started to think about
it that way, I was like, gosh, this whole experience
of quote unquote failing or nearly crashing is I can
look at it one of two ways. It can either
be a blow to my confidence or it can be
a reason why my confidence should be so much stronger.
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It can be a reason to really trust myself that
no matter what happens, I have my own back and
all so like as a happy benefit and bonus, I
have a partner in my husband who also has my back,
and no matter what, you know, we are a team,
and we're a united front, and we've got each other,
and that's like the greatest gift that anyone could ever
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ask for. Like, if you would have told me ten
years ago, when I was going through the worst pain
of my divorce, thinking my life was over and that
I'm terrible at relationships and every relationship I ever had
have fails, if you would have told me back then
that ten years later, you're going to have a partner
in your life who is everything to you and who
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has your back no matter what, and the two of
you are going to go through a lot of highs
and lows together, but all of it's going to bring
you closer together, and you're going to be best friends,
and you're going to really truly support each other and
really truly take care of each other. I would have
been like, I wouldn't have believed you, truly, I would
not have believed you, because I don't think I even
believed back then that this was possible. So the fact
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that I not only have got myself, but I've also
got a partner in my life who who holds me
up too, I mean, what more could I possibly ask for.
It's so crazy when I think about it, And when
I started talking to my daughter about this question, of
where does confidence come from? I was like, Wow, confidence
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is an inside job, and I'm teaching this to my
five year old that she has to decide. I'm ready
to ride my bike and come hell or high water,
I'm going to learn how to ride my bike and
I don't care what obstacles, you know, pop up in
my way. I've got myself. I'm going to take care
of myself and the whole way. Your family is going
to be cheering you on as you go, But it
doesn't matter how many people are cheering from the sidelines.
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If you don't feel that yourself, then then you don't
have the X factor that's needed to make this thing happen.
And so that was just such a pointant reminder for me,
thinking about confidence as the X factor that makes the
whole thing go, thinking about confidence as an inside my job.
I have to decide that I'm confident enough to follow
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through on this thing. I have to decide that I'm
confident enough to bring to fruition anything that I want
to bring to fruition. I have to decide that no
matter what happens, no matter how many detours, no matter
how of course I get, no matter how out of
alignment I get. No matter how many times I fall
on my face and fail, no matter how embarrassed I feel,
I have myself and I can always come back to myself.
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And that was just a really important reminder for me
this week, and a beautiful moment that I had with
my daughter, and I just held myself in such compassion
for needing to win. You know, I'm just like, what
a silly thing, Needing to win, needing to always be right,
needing to be the first, needing to be the best.
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It doesn't matter who rides to bike, who learns to
ride their bike first, It really doesn't. It doesn't matter
who gets to the finish line, for there's no finish line.
There's no finish line, there's no winning and losing. That's
all just an illusion. And maybe if I'm frustrated that
other people have more confidence than me, I can just
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come back to myself and say, oh, what could I
do to build more confidence in myself? And part of
what I could do is just do the things that
I have been talking myself out of doing, that I've
been putting off doing, really leaning in and going for it,
pedling faster. I think this is the big takeaway for
me is to stabilize yourself. Maybe you need to pedal faster.
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Maybe you need to not shy away from or back
off from the thing that scares you, but maybe you
need to go right into it. I don't mean getting
on the hamster wheel and running as fast as you
possibly can. I don't mean that. I mean the thing
that you know you need to do, that you have
been putting off because you lack the confidence for it.
Maybe part of having confidence is peddling faster into that thing.
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So that is my advice for myself this week is
that confidence is an inside job. That maybe part of
building confidence means that I pedal faster into the things
that I've been putting off or avoiding or pretending like
I don't know how to do. And yeah, knowing that
I've got myself no matter what happens, no matter how
many times I crash, no matter how many times I fail,
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I can catch myself. I always have caught myself, and
I always will. I hope you find that helpful if you,
like me, struggle to find your own confidence. I hope
that you took something from this episode that you found
helpful or insightful for you and I look forward to
seeing you back here next week on the Write Your
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Hi, and welcome back to the Write Your Story Podcast.
I'm Ali Fallon. I'm your host, And on today's episode,
I want to revisit a topic that I started to
address a couple of weeks ago on an episode, and
I even said in that episode that I might come
back and talk about this topic again. And today feels
like the perfect time to do that, if only because
I had an experience this week with my two kids
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that gave me a lot of insight into this topic
and really got me to think about it from a
different perspective. I even have this beautiful conversation with my
daughter who is five, that just, I mean truly stopped
me dead in my tracks. It was like she and
I really connected over this issue, and I saw myself
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and her and it was such an amazing moment and
such an amazing connection. It just felt like, oh gosh,
like a light bulb moment for me, and I don't
know if it will feel that way for you, but
I wanted to share about the experience and revisit this
idea of confidence. The episode that I recorded a couple
of weeks ago was playing on this idea that sometimes
it feels like the worst people in the world have
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the most confidence. And really, what I'm saying with that
is that sometimes confidence is something that I really struggle with.
I don't lack confidence from the standpoint that I know
I am a good person with good intentions and that
I really have something meaningful to contribute to the world.
But sometimes I do struggle with confidence in terms of
actually doing something that feels scary for me, like you know,
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standing on a stage and delivering a keynote speech which
I have done before, or even getting on Instagram sometimes
and posting a reel, which I've done a thousand times before.
But there are moments when, like putting my ideas out
there or trying something new, or just like being vulnerable,
it feels like such an unsteady thing to do and
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I feel at times that I lack confidence to do
those things, and this experience with my daughter just gave
me so much compassion for myself. It gave me such
an understanding of who I am, and I just walked
away feeling like I had a clearer picture of what
was going on. I wanted to share this with you.
So this started a couple of weeks ago when we
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told our two kids who are four and five, that
we were going to take the training wheels off of
their bikes. They got bikes for Christmas, probably two years ago,
so not this past Christmas, but the year before, so
maybe not quite two years. They have ridden the heck
out of these bikes. They are obsessed with bike riding.
They ride in circles in our driveway. We go down
to the park that's in our neighborhood that's called Cornelia
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Ford Airpark used to be an airport, so it's got
these huge open spaces that are like, you know, think
like airport runways where they can just ride and ride
and ride. They ride in these massive circles. They love
it so much. They are obsessed with bike riding, but
their training wheels were slowing them down. That's the bottom line,
they just could not go very fast with the training
wheels on, and both Matt and I were like, they're
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ready to ride without training wheels, and so we're like,
we're gonna take your training wheels off. It's this big
exciting thing. We made a big moment out of it.
We take them down to the airpark, we take their
training wheels off, and I'm helping Charlie and Matt's helping Nola,
and we do the thing where you hold onto the
back of the seat and you kind of run alongside
of them, and Charlie just took off on his bike.
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I mean I held the back of the seat for
like three seconds. He takes off on his bike. He's
just like, no training wheels, no practice, never has ridden
a two wheeled bike before, and just completely takes off
down this runway at the air park and just goes
And Matt and I are like floored, like we're like
so excited, we're proud. We're like, oh my gosh, Charlie,
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like you didn't even it took nothing, and you're just
riding your bike. Look at you. You're riding a two
wheeled bike. Well, Nella's watching this whole thing happen, and
she didn't have the same experience riding her bike. She
had a very normal experience learning how to ride a
bike without training wheels on where Matt was holding the
back of the seat. You know, they'd go a little bit,
he'd run alongside of her and she'd kind of tip
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over to one side and catch herself, and then they
would try again, and try again, and try again. She
did this four or five times. But as soon as
she saw her brother take off on the bike without
training wheels, without any practice, like, no experience, no falling over,
no nothing like literally just takes off on the bike.
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And as soon as she sees that happen, something happens
for her in her brain, and she just short circuited.
She was like, I don't want to ride a bike.
I want my training wheels back on. Matt and I
were like, hey, Nola, you don't need your training wheels
back on. Your training wheels are holding you back, Your
training wheels are slowing you down. You are fully capable
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to ride a bike with just two wheels. This takes
a minute to learn, and for everyone it takes a
minute to learn, and that's totally normal, and it's just
going to take you a minute. But as soon as
you learn how to ride this, like, you're free. You
can bike wherever you want a bike. You can go,
you know, in these huge circles, all by yourself. And
she was like, you're saying to me that everyone has
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to go through this process of learning kind to ride
their bike. But I'm looking at my brother and he
doesn't have to go through this process of learning how
to ride his bike. He just took off on the
first try. How come I can't take off on the
first try. And I was just watching her have this
comparison with her brother and a complete and utter melt
down over the bike. She was just like, I'm not
gonna ride unless you put my training wheels back on.
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And Matt was like, well, we're not going to put
the training wheels back on because you don't need them
and you can ride without them. And she was like, well,
then I'm never riding my bike again again. And this
is like maybe four or five weeks ago, so we
were like, okay, well, I guess you're never riding your
bike again then, and you know, come back home and
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kind of seems like that's that. Well, a few weeks later,
I was having a conversation with her about riding her bike.
She was like, I miss riding my bike, and Dad
put my training wheels back on. And I was like, Nela,
Dad's not going to put your training wheels back on
because you don't need them. The training wheels are holding
you back. And your dad and I both know this,
and we both are more than confident in your ability
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to learn how to ride your bike. You just have
to keep practicing. That's what it takes to learn how
to ride a bike. And she was like, it's embarrassing.
I don't want to keep practicing. My brother is younger
than me and he didn't have to keep practicing and
he just rode his bike. How come I can't just
ride my bike? And this was the moment I was
talking about when I was having so much compassion for
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her and having so much compassion for myself. I was like,
oh gosh, this is kind of me. I really don't
like seeing other people be better than I am at something,
or getting something that I'm not getting, or just being
quick to learn something that takes me a minute to learn,
and it brings up a lot of embarrassment and shame
for me, and I was just watching this happen in
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my five year old and I was like, oh my gosh. Yeah,
it's tricky to watch someone else get something right away
when it takes you a minute to learn it. But
I just want you to know, Nella that it's really
really normal for it takes some time to learn. And
one of the things that you can be sure of
when you're learning to ride your bike is that there
are going to be moments when you topple over, when
you fall, when you scrape your knee. That's just part
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of riding a bike. And Charlie's going to have those
moments too where he falls off his bike. And everybody's different.
We had a long conversation about how everybody's different and
everybody has a different skins, and I said, some people
are good at tennis, and some people are good at
riding bikes, and some people are good at baseball, and
some people are good at math, and some people are
good at science, and people are just good at different things.
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So I was saying, you know, how, for you, you've
had a really easy time learning your letters and learning
how to write your name and learning how to read
those short books. And Charlie is younger than you. He
hasn't learned how to do those things yet. Every kid
is different, every person is different, and some things are
going to come really easily to you and maybe not
as easily to Charlie. And some things are going to
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come easy to Charlie and maybe not as easily to you.
But that doesn't mean that we don't want to learn
how to do them. So we just had this whole
long conversation and she was taking it in and just
trying to figure out, you know, what she wanted to
do next. And she did eventually say, Okay, I think
I do want to get back on my bike and
learn how to write it. So she decides. Nella decides
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she wants to learn to write her bike. Matt and
I take her outside to teach her how to do this.
Two things that we taught her. Number one one is
that in order to build confidence in your ability to
ride a bike, you need to know that you can
stop yourself. You need to know that if you are
about to crash that bike, that you know how to stop.
So that was the first thing that we taught her.
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I felt like this would really give her a sense
of security if she knew that if she felt like
she was gonna, you know, run off the rails or
run into something, she knew how to stop herself and
how to get off the bike. So the first thing
we did was teach her how to pull the brake
lever and to put her feet down. Once you know
how to pull the brake lever and put your feet down,
you know that you can stop any time that you want.
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And this in itself builds confidence knowing that you can
stop any time that you want, that you have control
over this situation. And if there's ever a moment where
you feel like you're going too fast or you're going
to topple over like you actually can put your feet
down and keep yourself from falling. And then two on
the kind of other side of the spectrum. One thing
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I realized is I was teaching her how to do
this is that if she would get a little skittish
and would slow down too much, her bike becomes very wobbly.
So something that we taught her is the faster you pedal,
the more stable you will be. And this can be
counterintuitive because you think when you encounter something that is,
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you know, a potential obstacle on your course, you think
the answer is to slow down, and sometimes the answer
is to speed up, because when you pedal faster, you
create stability for yourself. So two things number one knowing
how to stop yourself and number two, knowing how to
peddle faster in order to stabilize. And as I was
thinking about confidence and how confidence is built through any skill,
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I realized these are two important sides of the coin
to discuss. Number one, knowing that I always have control
over the situation. I can always pull the brake lever
whenever I want, and that pulling the brake and setting
my feet down is going to stabilize. That's one way
to stabilize myself. And two, I can always put my
foot on the gas. I can always pedal faster, and
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that's another way that I can stabilize myself. And then
knowing when to pick which option, which is an even
trickier part, but over time we learn, you know when
to choose to slow ourselves down and put our feet
down and when to choose to speed up in order
to stabilize. But as we taught her these two things,
it helped her build that confidence so that she could
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ride her bike and within you know, a few hours,
she was riding circles around her brother honestly in the driveway.
And then, in a turn of events that shocked everyone,
my son Charlie, once he saw Nella cruising on her bike,
decided that he no longer wanted to ride a bike
unless we put his training wheels back on. And then,
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in a turn of events that shocked everyone, my son Charlie,
once he saw Nella cruising on her her bike, decided
that he no longer wanted to ride a bike unless
we put his training wheels back on. I couldn't explain
this if you gave me a whole lifetime. I have
no idea what the the internal dynamics were here, were
happening here that shifted this. But yeah, once he saw
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his sister riding confidently on her bike, he no longer
wanted to ride on his bike until we put his
training whils back on. And we told him the same
thing that we had told Nella, which is your training wheels.
You don't need them. They are holding you back, they're
making you go very slow, and you have absolutely everything
that you need. You have all the skills that you
need to ride this bike, so you do not need
us to put the training wails back on. We're not
going to put the training wheels back on when you're
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you know, when you're ready, you will ride this bike
without training wheels. You did it the first time that
you ever tried, Charlie, you do not need the training
wheels back on. So then we're having a conversation with
Charlie about confidence too. But one thing I thought was
interesting is that this concept of confidence, the skills that
it takes to ride a bike are actually not that complex.
It's like, you know, take some takes that like the
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motion with your feet, I guess, and just knowing when
to stop yourself. But really the main driver of what
allows you to ride a bike is confidence without the
confidence to ride the bike. And in fact, I think
that's the main difference between the two kids. It's the
main reason why Charlie rode so quickly is because he
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has an innate sense of security and confidence. That boy
is just it's built into him. I don't know if
this is like epigenetics of like like I don't know,
he has like the epigenetics of a white male privilege.
Like I don't know if that's a thing or if
it's a second child thing, or some combination of all
of the above. He also just has the genetics of
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my husband, so he's like very athletic. He's really good
with his hands. He yeah, he's just like a big, sturdy,
strong boy. So there's that. But he just moves through
the world with utter confidence. He's like an extreme extrovert.
He says hi to people. He seems scared of virtually nothing.
He's got a very tender heart, but he is extremely,
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extremely confident in his own physical ability. I have seen
him struggle with confidence when it comes to more academic stuff.
Watching his sister learn how to read, for example, you
can see him kind of like, go, oh, he doesn't
know what those letters, what the sounds are that are
attached to the letters, and she knows. They're so close
in age. That's just such a fascinating science experiment to
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watch the two of them interact with one another and
figure out their own world. But either way, he just
has this insane innate confidence about him, whereas Nella seems
to struggle more. This could be the first child thing.
I think the first child in a family structure has
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maybe usually some more anxiety going on, like more caution.
Usually I've seen this to be a pattern at least
I don't think it's like a for sure in every situation,
but like there's more usually more caution around that first child,
more like a hesitancy with her, and that seems to
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be a pretty significant X factor in terms of learning
to do something like ride a bike. But a couple
of parallels that I just want to point out, and
I know this is like sort of cheesy, but it
felt really powerful for me at the time. Number One,
you can keep riding with your training wheels on, but
why would you when you don't need them anymore and
they're holding you back and they're making you go too slow.
Like if there's something in your life where you are
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keeping the training wheels as a security blanket, but you
know you really don't need them, and you know you're
ready to move on to the next phase, It's time
to take the training wheels off and learn how to
ride a two wheeled bike. Everybody is different, and it
would happen at different ages for different kids, but like
at my kids four and five, it's like, you both
are ready, it's time to take the training wheels off.
We're not going to keep using you don't need them anymore.
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They're slowing you down, they're holding you back. It's time
to just go. So that's one thing. Two is the
X factor in terms of how quickly you learn how
to do this thing, is mostly about confidence. There are
skills that are required in order to execute on this
particular task, and it would be the same with any task.
Speaking on a stage, writing a book, posting on social media,
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starting a business, dating, anything that you want to list.
There are a certain set of skills that are required
in order to be excellent at that thing or in
order to be successful at that thing. But the main
X factor that is going to determine whether or not
you are successful at it is your own confidence. And
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this is why to me, it sometimes feels unfair that
when quote, the worst people in the world are the
most confident that idea from that previous episode I recorded.
The reason that feels unfair is because there are people
in the world who are more skilled, who are a
you know, have better ethics, who are more moral, who
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have great hearts, who you know, just have such an
amazing thing to contribute to the world, who maybe lack
the confidence, and so when they get on the bike
they're not taking off in the same way this other
person is. And that's because confidence is the greatest X
factor to whether or not you are going to take
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off on that first try or second try or third try.
And so this brings me to the point of today's episode,
which is the question that my daughter asked me. My
daughter asked me somewhere in the middle of this five
week journey to learning how to ride bikes, she asked me, Mom,
where does confidence come from? Because I kept saying, like,
what you really need is confidence. See, that's all Charlie
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has that you don't have is confidence. The only difference
between Charlie and you is he has the confidence to
take off and you don't have the confidence. So she
just said to me, Mom, where does confidence come from?
And I said, that's such a great question. And I
had to sit with it for a minute, and then
I finally told her, now, a confidence comes from inside
your confidence comes from inside of you. And here's what's
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wild is it doesn't matter how confident Mom is in you,
how confident Dad is in you, how confident your Mimi
is in you, your Uncle Luke is in you, how
confident these other people are in you? Like, we can
all be so confident in you, but if you aren't
confident in you, then you're never going to take off,
You're never gonna ride your bike. And confidence comes from
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knowing that even if you fall, you're going to be okay.
Confidence comes from knowing that you know how to stop yourself.
Confidence comes from knowing that when you start to feel unsteady,
that you can speed up and you can create more stability.
Confidence comes from experience. Confidence actually comes from falling, from failing,
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from not doing it right. That's part of how your
confidence is built. Over time, you know, oh, okay, I'm
not going to do it that way because this happened
when I did it that way, And over time, slowly,
your own internal sense of I can handle myself on
this bike becomes stronger and stronger and stronger, and you'll
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be riding like a pro. I was just listening to
myself say these things, and I'm like, on this topic
of confidence, the only thing stopping me from having as
much confidence as anyone else in the world is me.
Because confidence is an inside job. Confidence is an internal endeavor.
Confidence comes from inside of me, and it really doesn't
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matter how much confidence other people have. In me, how
much belief they have in me, how much you know
resources they pour into me, how much effort you know
it does. None of that matters. The only thing that
matters is whether or not I believe that I've got myself.
And the only thing that matters for you is whether
you believe that you you've got yourself in anything that
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you want to try, whether you want to try healing
or repairing a relationship that has been really challenging for you,
Maybe you want to try dating, Maybe you want to
try to start a family. Maybe you want to try
to start a business. Maybe you have a skill that
you want to learn, like improv comedy, or maybe you
want to try yoga for the first time. Trying something
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new for the first time is a great way for
you to come face to face with your own lack
of confidence. Trying something even not new, like trying something
like posting on Instagram, something that's vulnerable, something where you're
going to be seen, something where you put yourself out there.
Something yeah that is that opens the door to who
you really are. Anything like that is going to put
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you face to face with your own confidence or something
times lack thereof. And I feel like for me one
of the things that's happened in the last handful of years.
Confidence is always something I've struggled with, if I'm honest,
and I'm similar to my daughter in that I feel
confident when I'm winning, and if I can't win, then
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I don't want to play the game, which I know
makes me a sore loser. It's something that I've worked on.
But I'm telling you, I have been like this since
the time I was her age, and it was so
healing for me to watch this happen in her because
it's like, maybe this is a character flaw, but it's
a character flaw that I come by very honestly. Whether
it's genetic or epigenetic or whatever it is, it's a
character flaw that I've had my entire life. I've been
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like this since I was a baby, since I was
a child, and I can remember being on the tennis
team in high school and being like an okay tennis player.
I played singles at a school that had a very
new tennis team. My school opened the year that I
was a freshman in high school, and so we didn't
have a very established athletic department, and so thankfully because
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of that, I was good enough to make the tennis team,
because if we'd had a super established athletic department, I
probably would not have been. But I played singles in
high school and I had a great coach who helped
me a lot. And one of the things that he
used to really get on my case about is he
would say, Ali, the minute that you start to lose
the match, you mentally check out. He's like, the minute
that you realize that you're down a point, you're like
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forget it, and you just almost throw the match intentionally.
And it's just something that has been a part of
who I am for as long as I can remember.
I hate to lose so much that I would just
rather not play. I would rather lose on purpose then
lose on accident and have that blow to my confidence.
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So I do have confidence in certain areas, in things
where I already have a lot of skills, But if
I'm trying something that I don't necessarily have skills in,
or if I'm trying something where I'm putting myself out
out there, I'm being vulnerable or it's something I haven't
tried before, then yeah, I do struggle with confidence, and
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this experience that I've had over the course of the
last six years of trying something that I had not
tried before, where I was so out of my depth
that didn't go the way that I planned for it
to go, where ultimately I quote unquote failed. There are
so many reasons why this experience wasn't a failure. This
business investment that my husband and I made. If you
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don't have any idea what I'm talking about, then that
must mean you're new here, because I've talked a lot
about this. But I made a big investment my husband
and I did. We spent a total of four or
five years trying to get this thing off the ground.
It did not go the way that we hoped. We
ended up losing a ton of money. The business fell apart,
we almost fell out for bankruptcy. It's been a very
stressful time and we're on the other side of it now.
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We have stabilized quite significantly and I feel like we're
out of the woods. But I've spent a lot of
time processing this these last couple of years, and one
of the things that I realized in having this experience
with my daughter and having this conversation with her is
how much the quote unquote failure of that investment has
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given me a blow to my confidence, has made me
feel like I don't know if I can do any
of the things that I've wanted to do. And when
I was talking to her about riding the bike and
talking about how important it is to have these experiences
of failure, to fall off your bike and realize, like
I actually look at that, I almost crashed into something
and I caught myself. That's part of how confidence is
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built is knowing I've got myself. I've no matter what happens,
I've got myself. And when I started to think about
it that way, I was like, gosh, this whole experience
of quote unquote failing or nearly crashing is I can
look at it one of two ways. It can either
be a blow to my confidence or it can be
a reason why my confidence should be so much stronger.
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It can be a reason to really trust myself that
no matter what happens, I have my own back and
all so like as a happy benefit and bonus, I
have a partner in my husband who also has my back,
and no matter what, you know, we are a team,
and we're a united front, and we've got each other,
and that's like the greatest gift that anyone could ever
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ask for. Like, if you would have told me ten
years ago, when I was going through the worst pain
of my divorce, thinking my life was over and that
I'm terrible at relationships and every relationship I ever had
have fails, if you would have told me back then
that ten years later, you're going to have a partner
in your life who is everything to you and who
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has your back no matter what, and the two of
you are going to go through a lot of highs
and lows together, but all of it's going to bring
you closer together, and you're going to be best friends,
and you're going to really truly support each other and
really truly take care of each other. I would have
been like, I wouldn't have believed you, truly, I would
not have believed you, because I don't think I even
believed back then that this was possible. So the fact
(25:58):
that I not only have got myself, but I've also
got a partner in my life who who holds me
up too, I mean, what more could I possibly ask for.
It's so crazy when I think about it, And when
I started talking to my daughter about this question, of
where does confidence come from? I was like, Wow, confidence
(26:18):
is an inside job, and I'm teaching this to my
five year old that she has to decide. I'm ready
to ride my bike and come hell or high water,
I'm going to learn how to ride my bike and
I don't care what obstacles, you know, pop up in
my way. I've got myself. I'm going to take care
of myself and the whole way. Your family is going
to be cheering you on as you go, But it
doesn't matter how many people are cheering from the sidelines.
(26:42):
If you don't feel that yourself, then then you don't
have the X factor that's needed to make this thing happen.
And so that was just such a pointant reminder for me,
thinking about confidence as the X factor that makes the
whole thing go, thinking about confidence as an inside my job.
I have to decide that I'm confident enough to follow
(27:03):
through on this thing. I have to decide that I'm
confident enough to bring to fruition anything that I want
to bring to fruition. I have to decide that no
matter what happens, no matter how many detours, no matter
how of course I get, no matter how out of
alignment I get. No matter how many times I fall
on my face and fail, no matter how embarrassed I feel,
I have myself and I can always come back to myself.
(27:26):
And that was just a really important reminder for me
this week, and a beautiful moment that I had with
my daughter, and I just held myself in such compassion
for needing to win. You know, I'm just like, what
a silly thing, Needing to win, needing to always be right,
needing to be the first, needing to be the best.
(27:47):
It doesn't matter who rides to bike, who learns to
ride their bike first, It really doesn't. It doesn't matter
who gets to the finish line, for there's no finish line.
There's no finish line, there's no winning and losing. That's
all just an illusion. And maybe if I'm frustrated that
other people have more confidence than me, I can just
(28:08):
come back to myself and say, oh, what could I
do to build more confidence in myself? And part of
what I could do is just do the things that
I have been talking myself out of doing, that I've
been putting off doing, really leaning in and going for it,
pedling faster. I think this is the big takeaway for
me is to stabilize yourself. Maybe you need to pedal faster.
(28:31):
Maybe you need to not shy away from or back
off from the thing that scares you, but maybe you
need to go right into it. I don't mean getting
on the hamster wheel and running as fast as you
possibly can. I don't mean that. I mean the thing
that you know you need to do, that you have
been putting off because you lack the confidence for it.
Maybe part of having confidence is peddling faster into that thing.
(28:55):
So that is my advice for myself this week is
that confidence is an inside job. That maybe part of
building confidence means that I pedal faster into the things
that I've been putting off or avoiding or pretending like
I don't know how to do. And yeah, knowing that
I've got myself no matter what happens, no matter how
many times I crash, no matter how many times I fail,
(29:17):
I can catch myself. I always have caught myself, and
I always will. I hope you find that helpful if you,
like me, struggle to find your own confidence. I hope
that you took something from this episode that you found
helpful or insightful for you and I look forward to
seeing you back here next week on the Write Your
Story podcast
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