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June 14, 2024 21 mins

Kelly and Chip discuss the new trend "Hot Rodent Men" in celebrity culture. Chip explains what it means, who is a hot rodent man and why the craze started. The duo also discuss the positives of viewing beauty from a much wider lens. 


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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Well, well, well, look at us recording early in the week.
Can you believe?

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Well, oh yeah, I mean it's nice.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
What are they talking about? We typically record on Thursdays
because we like to make these podcasts the most relevant
to what's actually happening in our lives in the world
before they go out on Fridays. But it's Tuesday. I'm
traveling this week, so we're recording a little bit earlier.
We had a topic that we felt would still be
relevant on Friday.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
So how are you doing, though, Chips, Do you have
any updates for us before we get started?

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Not really.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
We missed everybody last week because we had cmafest going
on in Nashville, and for Chip and ized jobs, it
just becomes this like insane week, and it's such a blessing.
It's such a gift to have all that work. It's
hot as shit though, it's really crowded, really.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Nice weather though even though it was hot, it was
supposed to rain Initially that was good, but it's you know,
the hardest part is aligning our schedules when it's that crazy.
So we just the truth is that we couldn't find
a time where the two of us could be in
the same place at the same time, or even not
the same place at the same time, but able.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
To you can get on a call at the same time. Yeah,
I say CMA fist Like everyone that listens to this
No's like people that listen to this podcast live in
Germany and stuff, so they're like, what right. But if
you don't live in Nashville, it is the biggest country
music festival there is, and it's like all the big
hot acts go. They have different things going on. There's

big performances happening at Nissan Stadium, but there's performances and
events and TV appearances and everything all day, every day
basically for the entire week. So it's a very exciting
week in Nashville. It's funny because I think most of
the local Nashville people tend to really avoid CMA Fest.
It's just a lot. It's just a lot, and if

you've lived here for a long time, we're like, oh
my gosh. But for the people coming into town, I
have heard that it is one of the most ext
fun events ever.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah. I mean all of my friends who don't live
here that have either come or want to come, you know,
it's a pretty coveted thing to do. It's really hard
to have all these stars all in one place. And
you know, it started as a think called fanfare, where
it was just they were down at the fairgrounds and
you know, people like Dolly Parton would sit at tables
for hours while people stood in line. I just got autographs,

that's all it was. It was like an big autograph thing.
And it turned into the largest country music festival in
the world, which is you know, all day, every day,
lots of stages, and then it culminates every night with
massive headline performers at the Nissan Stadium, our football stadium
that is then filmed for television and should I think

it's airing on June twenty sixth.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
I forget which.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Network, though I love it. You're like the person.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Right then the check.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Well, because I've been working so much, I don't know
about you, but my dating life hasn't really been existing.
But we are going to transition this topic today we
wanted to talk about has to do with one of
the trends of dating and crushes and celebrity crushes, specifically
the hot rodent boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
The rodent man, rodent man.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Rodent men. Okay, you kind of read me a definition
of how this started. You said it started with one
specific tweet. Is that what happened?

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Well, it was what really made it go viral was
the tweet. But apparently it started with a comparison with
two actors named Josh O'Connor and Mike faced Is. I
guess how you say it fast? These people fais t
They're on a show called The Challengers, Okay, and apparently
there's conversation online about them looking like Stuart Little and

Ratatui and it sort of morphed into this term rodent men.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
And then there was a tweet that like went super viral.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Let's see that the it's someone normal Catholic girl Marie
Prairie tweeted men are either eagle handsome, bear handsome, dog handsome,
are reptilian handsome. And it's been viewed six point seven
million times. And what's interesting is it was on April thirtieth,

twenty twenty three, and it's just really starting to catch
on in the media and people are starting to write
about it. But she compares, she gives examples of those
types of handsome. An eagle handsome person is Ryan Gosling,
a bear handsome person is like a Henry cavill a
dog handsome person, which I think there's also the term

now golden retriever boyfriend.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Boyfriend I've seen.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Was Heath Ledger, and then the Reptilian handsome is Timothy Shallomey.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Okay, So.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
I'm like sitting here going I cannot believe we're fucking
talking about this.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Well, you know what's funny is Kelly forwarded me. We
often will find topics or find interesting things on Instagram
or online, and we'll just for them to each other,
being like, this is interesting.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Do you think this is the.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Topic, Like what's happening in our society? This is wild?

Speaker 3 (05:10):

Speaker 2 (05:10):

Speaker 3 (05:11):
And she for this to me last week and it
was on Instagram. It was a Diet Proda post and
it was kind of When I first read it, I
thought it was like, kind of mean.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
I know, That's what I'm like, does anyone want to
be compared to a rot?

Speaker 2 (05:26):
It is that?

Speaker 1 (05:27):

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Right? It just seemed mean.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
And you know, all of the guys that were listed
were sort of unconventionally handsome. They're more like, it's funny
that it's on diet product because I've always used the
term like he's like.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
A Proda model. Have you ever heard that?

Speaker 3 (05:40):
And I don't know if that's common or if it's
just something that I said, because I've always found Proda
models to be like, they're beautiful in a.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Very unique way.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
They have a very they're not conventional beauty, and I
feel like all of these guys could be in product campaigns, okay,
And so yeah, she sent that to me, and initially
I was like, oh, wrote it, man, and it seems
really mean. Let's talk about like how people have different
the senses of beauty and how that's changed over time.

But then as I started to research, I'm like, wait
a minute, this is not even meant to be an insult.
It's truly about being more sinewy and having a more
angular face and not having super broad shoulders, and it's
more just about like having a similarity.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
To the shape of a rodent's face. You've got a
porn of your nose.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Everything's like pinched a little bit more, And that's not
necessarily ugly.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
It just was this sounds like a mean ugly. It's
just the comparison. It's not like I necessarily think of
a rat and think positive thoughts. You know, those are
the things you see in the subways that you're like,
why is that so big? And disgusting? It's sick and
we all scream when we see these things. So to
compare someone in a way that you're saying they're hot

as a rodent man is wild. But you're right, it's
the definition that I found from today dot Com said
they're spelt with angular features and bodies, so they're not
necessarily conventionally handsome, but that is actually what makes them
even hotter. But that's the thing, and you're hitting the
nail on the head when we said, you know, it
is a bit refreshing because something else that we've talked

about on this podcast was just how we felt and
this was specifically about women at the point we were
talking about it, but how we felt that beauty had
been defined by this one standard and a lot of
it in the last decade has been based on like
what the Kardashians look like, and to me, that misses
so much of so many different people being so beautiful,

and it puts the pressure on you, whether you like
it or realize it or not, to look like that,
Like you start to even I can even do that.
I think I had expressed to you during that time,
like that is so the opposite of the way that
I am built, And all of a sudden, I'm thinking, Oh,
I need to get my boobs done or I need
to you know. It's like I can't accept that I
could be beautiful in a different way sometimes because we

just become a cu to what we see all the
time and everyone has started looking the same something.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Well, I was gonna say, it's okay too to assimilate
in that way if it's actually something that you find
beautiful and versus.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Being you're built orful.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
But if if it's something that your change, you want
to change about yourself because you think that's what other
people expect from you.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Then it's not okay. It's not healthy.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
I read a quote the other day, and I'm going
to mess this up a little bit, but it was like,
confidence isn't walking into the room.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Oh God, what was it.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
It was like it basically said that confidence isn't like
going in and thinking that you're better than everyone else.
It's going in and not worrying what anyone else thinks
about you. True. And so I think, like when you
think about in terms of your own beauty, if you
can erase the idea of what anyone thinks about you

and just shine in your best way possible. Then you're
you know, like because there is a butt for every seat.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Well, yeah, and how magnetic is a person who is
confident in their own skin? That to me, that's always
the person that, even if they aren't the most conventionally beautiful,
that you're so drawn to you and you can't really
put into words why. And it's an energy about why.
You know, they they seem beautiful to you all of
a sudden, but it's really their energy. But I do,

I do think this trend is so interesting that it's
being talked about in this way and it is sort
of seen all over our culture right now, like the
big celebrities, the Jeremy Allen White, that's the guy from
what was that show called The Bear? Yeah, he's Hearin Culkin,
Karen Culkan who was on I can't think of any

shows right now, the one with the Family, the Oh
my god, I love that show.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
How am I forgetting all about it?

Speaker 1 (09:55):
It is yes, an s. People are listening like successions,
thank you? Do you know what? You're listening to a podcast?
And I can't remember anything you're screaming it in your car.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
You're live, We're basically live. We're live right now, so
we don't know it.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Do you think they're not used to us yet?

Speaker 2 (10:10):

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Timothy Shallomet, who's obviously making waves for more.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Driver, Oh damn it.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
That was gonna be my celebrity crush. Okay, So I
have had a celebrity crush on him for so long,
Like he has always been this weird. I don't know why,
but like I started back when Girls was on, obviously,
and I just find him so quirky and weird. But again,
it's that thing where you're drawn to them because they're

completely themselves. He's also tall, and you know, he is
very handsome and attractive, but he's never been conventionally like
he's not like Brad Pitt right now.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
That's what I was gonna say, is it takes a
little bit more investment to fall for those people, because
it truly is. It's not just like shit, it's like
Brad Pitt walks into the room every everybody, like everyone
sees him, you know, like there's a there's a level
of perfection that is really unattainable. Adam Driver walks in
there are definitely gonna be people in the room that think, oh,

that guy's attractive, But then there might be people that
would not have turned their head, but once they get
to know him, they're like, he's fucking hot as ship, right,
you know. And so I I honestly think like these
types of men are probably the best ones to be
with because.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Tell me more about this theory.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Well, because you know they're you probably don't have to
worry so much about like random people hitting on them.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
So it said those outside.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Forces, they probably have to work a little bit harder
to like earn your love. They're probably better in bed
as a result of that, they you know, they're their
person their their personalities are probably a lot better.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
They're probably smarter and kinder.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
So I I found an article on Dazed dot com, yeah,
or Day'sdigital dot com, and the author's name let me
see if her name's on here. Her name is Serena Smith.
Wrote this article and it's talking about a hot roaded boyfriend,
and she says in it, she's like to confirm being rodent,

handsome is not an insult. Conversely, I think I've realized
throughout the process of writing this piece that my type
is actually men who look like rodents.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
It's a compliment.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Plus, being a sexy ratman can also be more about
your general vibe than physical attributes. While there are many
exceptions Matt Healy primarily Matt Heley's singer of the nineteen
seventy five, often rodent men are the antithesis of toxic masculinity.
Rodent men are the types to buy their girlfriend's ridiculously
huge bunches of flowers. They are unashamed why they are unashamed?

Wife Guys who will post photos of their partners. Met
Gala's look on a Grid.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Oh on grid.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
I don't know if there's a link to that, so
I don't know who she's referring to in this one.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Let me look real quick.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Well, it doesn't matter. Tom Holland was, Oh, yeah, he's
posting about Zandaia Zandia. Yeah, she's insanely gorgeous. But yeah, right,
I'd be posting everything about her too. I'm obsessed with her.
I hear what you're saying, though, because it's like, you know,

they always say. One of the jokes I used to
always say too is like I'm super glad from my
really awkward junior high years because I've had to develop
a personality because like, but I think that is one
of the stigmas a little bit in our culture. And
so you're saying, well, if you look like Brad Pitt,
you probably don't have to work for things as hard

because you look like Brad Pitt, although I'm not sure
that's true with him, but he's just an example, and
these guys might have a little more effort.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Right Well, And I think it's not it's not Brad
and word using as an example.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
It's not Brad Pitt's fault.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
I think people just respond differently because he can't help
that way, I know, I think, and I think it
makes people nervous, and it's it can be a little
unnerving because sure, the way that the media has portrayed
people that look like him, which by the way, there's
probably plenty of people on our who do not find

him attractive, but we as a culture have lifted up
certain types of faces and body types and whatever. But
you know, we have been told that that is.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
What perfection looks like.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
And I think this, like Rodent Mandrund, is really interesting
because it's bucking the system and it's actually saying that
what's attractive is the qualities that you bring.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
To the relationship.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Mind you, none of these people are like hideous beings.
They're all hot, they're all attractive in their own way.
But but you know, maybe there are some folks out
there who are rodent men that don't even sort of
compare to Adam Driver.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
You know.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, but all these people too, are super talented. They
have all of these qualities that make them hot. Like
it's that Jeremy Allen white guy that do you remember
that that underwear Literally he was not on my radar.
I saw that and I was like, what in the
actual fuck is happening? This guy is hot. The whole

campaign was.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
So great when that launched too. I couldn't go on
Instagram without seeing people posting it because it was.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Almost shocking because you hadn't witnessed him in that capacity yet,
and so you're like being exposed to this person who,
like you know, the rodent men term says, is not
the technically handsome man that we're used to, the technically

handsome man that we're used to. And so when you
saw that campaign, I think it just shocked people. It
felt like it was out of nowhere. He was on
that show screaming in kitchens and then all of a
sudden you're like, wait a second, and you're hot, right.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
I mean, kudos to Calvin Klein's agency for recognizing that.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
You know, yeah, it was a really great campaign.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Well, would Michael Sarah be a renant man?

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Well, I could see that.

Speaker 2 (16:24):

Speaker 1 (16:25):
The only thing against him is he angular. I guess
now that he's older. When he was younger, he was
a little more like rasted in the face. Yeah, that
is true in the body.

Speaker 2 (16:35):

Speaker 3 (16:35):
There's a really interesting article in the New York Times
in the Style section about this.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, and writing about this.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
It's a conversation between a lot of the people that
sit in the style at the styles desk, and it's
like them just sort of going through and like naming people,
and then there's you know, and within the conversation they're
talking about sort of the qualities and why it's taking on.
I highly recommend going and reading it.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
What were the big notes of why it's taking.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Well, I mean, I just think that people are starting
to appreciate, appreciate these types of guys that weren't typically
getting the attention. And what's crazy is a lot of
them are becoming really big stars like Timothy Shallomey is
a massive movie star now, know, yeah for sure. So
I because it's conversational, I don't want to quote quote it.

I just recommend that you all go and read it
because it's it's a lot of different opinions, all in
sort of a linear at it. Okay, well you have
to do is search New York Times rode it Man.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Would you date a rodent Man or a Golden retriever first?
Or okay, maybe golden retrievers? Like would you if you
had the option of a Brad Pitt or an Adam Driver?
What would you do?

Speaker 3 (17:53):
I mean that's really hard because you know, I don't
know the insides well enough. I think I'm probably more
typically attracted.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
To the rodent man same.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
But then like in sort of a fantasy world, it's
the Brad Pitts, you know what I mean. But it's
also like it's that's unrealistic, and I also feel like
I've been sold that fantasy and it's not really my fantasy.
Although I do love Henry Cavell, like I'll.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Take he's classically handsome for sure. Yeah, yeah, that's an interest.
I never knew you had a crush on.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
I love Henry Cavell and I think before he was famous.
I've got the pictures to prove it.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Oh really yeah, straight, yes, Oh.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
I don't really remember the night. It was really we
were hammered and but he ended up back at our
house at a party.

Speaker 1 (18:45):

Speaker 2 (18:46):
I'll send you the picture. I'll post it for that.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah, please do for the listeners.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
I mean I have his phone number, but I don't
think it's his anymore.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, well, why don't you try and let us know? Okay,
I feel like maybe I started this trend a long
time ago and I didn't even know because when people
would ask me who my celebrity crush I was, I
would say Adam Driver. So you know whatever, I just
I've always like had a thing and I do think
that there's something to be said for the not typical

handsome guy like to me, like Adam Driver for some
reason has always been just sexy, like hot, but again
it's more of an energy. I mean, he is a
good looking dude, but like if we're going on like
symmetry and earsides and things like that, like you know,
obviously like he's not your exact perfect person, but he

has he's especially gotten hotter in the last couple of years. Yeah,
Hollyo's gotten their hands on.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
I don't I haven't seen a lot of stuff that
he's in, so I don't know a ton about him.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, you would love him, Yeah anyway, I mean, all
in all, I think the point we're trying to make
is it's kind of refreshing. Even though it's weird to
compare men to rats, it's kind of refreshing that we're
just opening up as a culture, maybe to the discussion
of hotness, beauty, sex appeal, all of it being so

much bigger than just the classic things that we've talked
about in the past. And I do find in a
lot of these articles they are referencing the bigger picture
of who a person is too, Like this is all
about the physical part, obviously, the the hot rodent piece,
but when they're talking about the hot rodent boyfriend, there's
so much more to the parts of the conversation. Like

you were saying about not having the toxic masculinity, Like
I think people are just over that, and like it's
not to sit here in bash men. We all participated
in the patriarchy, so it's like we're all having to
do this relearning right now, and I think we're just
ready for something different, and so bring on hot rodent
boyfriends somewhere.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
I'm putting out mouse traps tonight.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Okay that.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
I'm gonna go to the club with a sticky trap.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
With a sticky trap. I'm putting out mouse traps tonight.
Can you put that on your dating profile?

Speaker 3 (21:05):

Speaker 2 (21:05):
My god?

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yeah, got my mousetraps out? Yeah? Yeah. What do you
guys think about this? Email us at the Edge at
velvet edge dot com. Do you like a hot road
it man? Are you in ones? Are you dating one? Yeah?
And if you have a celebrity crush, let us know
which one. You can also leave us a voicemail. The
link to that is in the bio of my Instagram,

which is at Velvet's Edge. It's also in the bio
of chips Instagram, which is.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
At chip Door. Should ch I, P D or s H?

Speaker 1 (21:38):
How as you guys go into the weekend with your
hot rodent boyfriend, hopefully you're living on the edge with
him and you always remember to a casual stretch, all right?

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Bye bye,
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