November 13, 2025 • 11 mins
For this week's Friday Sport Kick-off, Nick Mills and Jason Pine are joined by Elliot Smith, ZB All Blacks commentator, calling in from England to give us his thoughts on the line up for the Twickenham game. They give their predictions for how the boys in black will go this weekend, and the vibe in England at the moment.
Nick and Jason also chat about the upcoming All Whites vs Columbia game, Phoenix vs Auckland FC game and the upcoming Phoenix women’s game in Porirua this Sunday.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from News Talk said, b getting you said for your
sporting weekend. It's the Wellington Mornings Friday sport kickoff on
news Talk SEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Time for our sports segment, joined by my friend Jason Pineham.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I allowed to call you my friend? Is that proper
and correct?
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Well?
Speaker 5 (00:40):
I think it's accurate.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
And we are lucky enough, both of us are lucky
enough to be able to speak to the rugby the
voice of rugby.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Should we call him the voice.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
Of because again it's accurate?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, got too right. I'll bet a stop now, well
on ahead. Elliott Smith in the UK, Good morning Elliott?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
To Elliott?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
How you doing?
Speaker 5 (01:06):
How are we great? Hey?
Speaker 6 (01:09):
Let's cack straight in Elliott. The team named Overnight to
face England Sunday morning. No real surprises from a Wellington
point of view, though Billy propped A gets another opportunity
at center.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Was this a surprise at all?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
A little bit. I think they had a couple of
options that the way they could have gone piney in
terms of the selections, and they could have moved to
retail Juanne back to the left wing, or maybe a
sever Reese. They could have moved richtel Uanne back into
the midfield or an Anton Lennett Brown, but I think
I quite like to call it Billy Doctor has had
a run of seats earlier in the year at center
(01:43):
and perhaps didn't take his opportunities as well as he
would have liked over the course of that run. But
I think what they've done here is backed him to
give him another chance. And they did that earlier in
the year and perhaps didn't work out necessary the way
they would have wanted. But I admire the fact that
they've given the opportunity. Said, this is a huge test
for the All Blacks, and we believe that you've still
got what it takes if it's become as a result
(02:05):
of injury. But I think Billy propped if he's picked
up a few things on the training field and developed
his game a little bit further. Let's pope he makes
every poster win.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
It comes Sunday morning, Elliot, what's the story behind Simon
Parker making the start?
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Well, I think it's about bolstering the bench. I think
they want to get that firepower in the last half
hour of games, and we've seen England name a six
to two bench split has been called the Pom squad
over here. They've gone with a lot of experience on
the beach. In fact, their bench average is forty cats
per player, so that's how much experience they're bringing off
(02:40):
and I think You're Blacks are trying to counter that
with a little bit of firepower by putting wall of
Stiti on the bench. Now, Simon Parker gets the start.
He's nowhere near as explosive as wall as Sa Titi,
but I think they wouldn't get the same impact if
they bought Simon Parker off the beach for the last
thirty minutes or thereabouts of the game. We saw what
he could do against Ireland. He ran rings around attiring defense.
(03:02):
He was excellent last year at Twickenham, and they clearly
want to own this beach roll. So I think that's
a smart selection sign. Parker can tackle all he wants
at the England carriers all day long until the cars
come high, or until you get subs, and then the
All Blacks to make the change and bring on that
explosive power of Wallace to teas Elliet.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
Do we have to as rugby fans now change our
mindset that the bench is not a secondary set of players,
and playing well off the bench shouldn't get you a start.
Actually being a part of Jerseys sixteen to twenty three
is a prestigious job in itself, big time.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
And I think we've been slow to accept that. Maybe
as New Zealand rugby fans rugby pundits. You look at
what South Africa did and they want to a World
Cup on the back of the bomb squad and the
seven to one split they were doing and the way
that they revolutionized how they played the game in the
second half of each fexture by bringing on seven forwards.
(04:00):
You know the game's by in lives that the margins
are so finite and test rape at the moment they
come down to a march here or there, a moment
here or there in the final fifteen, ten, five minutes,
whatever it might be, and it is a twenty three
nine game now, and then I think we've got to
approach it from that mindset that because you play well
on the bench of him and you're all out to start,
your best role might be in that closing thirty minutes
(04:22):
as a closer. And if we can build the All
Blacks from it, if theits can build that sort of
debt there and have the way that they want to
play in the final thirty that allows them to lift
the tempo of the game or whatever it might be,
then they'll go a long way to winning. And I
just don't think that mindset shift has been made as yet,
but I think we're getting there very very slowly, and
selections like Wallace the teas and also Damien McKenzie what
(04:44):
he did in that last twenty minutes last week will
certainly go a long way to helping that.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I was just about to say, Damian McKenzie or you
were talking about almost typified one man, I mean, would
be be happy with him starting?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Well maybe not, but coming off the bench. We think
he's a world.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Beater absolutely, and if that's the role that he gets
over the next couple of years towards the World Cup
and it nails it, then you know it's a system working.
And we've seen England go with that sixty two bench split.
South Africa's going almost with a four to fourth sort
of split this weekend in many ways, so look, if
he can come on on a tiring defenses and play
(05:22):
the kind of immediately know he can in the final
twenty minutes after the starters have set it up for him.
You know, you think of it one day correct and
I know one day credits dying out a little bit,
but you had there's I mean, you'd have you know,
brings him a clumb a tumbe in at six or
seven and the order and here was the finish of
the closer. We'll think of it in that mindset that
these are the players he want on and that thirty
five to fifty over mark where they're going to bring
(05:44):
home the run chase that the openers have set it
up from. I think we changed our mindset a little bit.
Rather than going starter reserve, then we'll go a long
way and I think the Albocks wo go a long
way to winning to get more test matches.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Elliott, are we favorite to win?
Speaker 4 (05:58):
This depends? You asked, Finny, what do you reckon?
Speaker 6 (06:04):
I know the odds over here have the All Blacks
are slight favorites, but that is very much a tab
bias in New Zealand betters over there are England fans
confident of victory.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
They be leaning further it is a really good chance
at victure. I've seen some of the English bookies and
they've got England as favorites, but it's a fifty to
fifty game I think and England are sensing an opportunity.
If the All Blacks had managed to kick on against
Scottland last week from seventeen their up and put a
decent score on them in the second half, they're able
to rotate a few players out and you know, cruise
(06:38):
home to the finish, then it could have been a
little bit different. But they didn't. They had to squeak
out a win thanks to Damien McKenzie. So I think
the English extends there's a chance to take this. When
they're on a nine game winning Streety're playing some really
really good rugby. They've been Australia comfortably a fortnight ago
and they haven't been too far away against the All
Blacks over their last three meetings since Scott Robinson took charge.
(06:59):
So they seem that they can get a couple more
moments right then they'll be well in it. I think
that goes to their bench as well, you know, the finishes,
the experience to close out this game in the in
the latter stages, they believe they're a red hot goal
of you know, beating the All Blacks, ending that Grand
Slam hopes and for them it's two years out of
the World Cup sammers the All Blacks, but it will
be a real statement of attempt if they were to
(07:20):
get this win.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Elliott, can you just really really quickly because we've got
to move on. Give us the vibe, as you know,
is there. We're not quite getting the vibe here. I
mean it's a huge thing. Is the vibe in London?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Big? Is the you know, is it there? I'm not.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
I'm not overly though, look at us. Think it'll be
you know, eighty thousand fans coming through the gates on
the weekend is a bit of media coverage. There's been
a few English media coming through, but it's hard to
break through in cities like London. Are England are playing
a football World Cup qualifier at the moment that's on
the back pain Premier League all that sort of thing,
so it's hard to break through. But eighty thousand people
on Saturday asternoon here, you can't be wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Thank you very much for joining us this morning. Eli
have all the best break a leg on the call
and all those people that are listening. If you want
to hear it live and uninterrupted on news talk set.
Be Elliott is our golden voice. Thank you, appreciate you.
Piney got to talk to you quickly about the Phoenix
game last week.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I mean I could not move away from the TV.
It was unbelievable as a fan watching it.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
What was it like to be there?
Speaker 6 (08:24):
Yeah, amazing, incredible drama. I mean from Wellington Phoenix's point
of view. Obviously a loss, another loss to Auckland f C.
That's four now in these men's derbies, but an occasion, man,
it was just filled with drama too.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Red cards for Auckland FC.
Speaker 6 (08:40):
You know, goals, passion, you know, fans in the stands
from both sides chanting at one another. It's quickly become
a pretty pretty compelling, you know, proposition. From a viewer's
point of view, even those who aren't deeply invested in football,
I think we'll watch the derbies because of everything that's
wrapped around them, just the energy in that in that ground.
(09:02):
So yeah, a shame that Wellington couldn't get some out
of the game, unable to break down Auckland FC's nine
men there at the end. But yeah, no, they've got
a week off this week. It's an international break and
they'll go again next week. But yeah, the Derbys are
just terrific.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Terrific, terrific. Event quickly.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Wellington women play Newcastle on Sunday at Pottydoor Park.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Yep, they've started their season.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
They played the early game, yeah, kins Canberra won all
they I think the BEF priestman said afterwards, they kind
of let the occasion get the better of them. There's
been so much hype and you and I have talked
about this a lot on this slot with Coops. You
know about how highly rated the Wellington Phoenix women are
this season, and I think they just needed to get
that first game out of the way and they got
(09:47):
a point.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
That's fine.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
They've got Newcastle on Sunday Pottydoor Park. I like the
venue better I think than the stadium, even though you
want to play in the big grounds, Pottydoor Park's a
great little boutique ground for the women to play at.
So year four o'clock Sunday afternoon. I get the feeling
they'll do really well.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
I've go only got a minute.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
But I also want to get your view on the
All Whites playing Colormbia, because that's what's another big event
for US.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Massive.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
Columbia are a good team, Nick, you know they're they're
they in World Cup qualifying in South America. They finished
above Brazil and we know, we know, you know the
pedigree of Brazilian football. They're thirteenth in the world. Columbia,
we're in the eighties and we're missing a number of
key players. So but when the World Cup rolls around
next year, these are the kind of teams we're going
to be up against. You know, the draws next month incidentally,
(10:30):
so look a huge challenge for Darren Baisley and his
team on Sunday at one o'clock and then they play Ecuador,
who also finished a Brazil in South American qualifying. Incidentally,
that game is on Wednesday, so this is their biggest
test of the year. Two top quality South American sides.
We're going to get a really good idea of the
metal of this.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
New Zealand were under strength.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
We are under strength, you know, no Liby Cacatchi, no
Chris Wood, no Alex Paulson, no Ryan Thomas. So look,
there's some big players not there, but opportunity knocks for
other players. You know, they can go in there and say, look,
pick me on that playing Darren Baiseley next year.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah, Cometh the Hour, Cometh the Man, isn't it something
like that?
Speaker 5 (11:09):
It is exactly, Daniel. How are you doing brilliantly as
well overnight?
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Oh gosh, we forgot to mention that. I'm sorry, I've
got it. I've got to go, but thank you. Jason Pine.
All Sports Afternoon, All Sports. I was going to say
all sports breakfasts. Jason and I used to do the
All Sports Breakfast No Afternoon Saturday and Sunday with Jason Pine.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
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You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from News Talk said, b getting you said for your
sporting weekend. It's the Wellington Mornings Friday sport kickoff on
news Talk SEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Time for our sports segment, joined by my friend Jason Pineham.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I allowed to call you my friend? Is that proper
and correct?
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Well?
Speaker 5 (00:40):
I think it's accurate.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
And we are lucky enough, both of us are lucky
enough to be able to speak to the rugby the
voice of rugby.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Should we call him the voice.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
Of because again it's accurate?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, got too right. I'll bet a stop now, well
on ahead. Elliott Smith in the UK, Good morning Elliott?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
To Elliott?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
How you doing?
Speaker 5 (01:06):
How are we great? Hey?
Speaker 6 (01:09):
Let's cack straight in Elliott. The team named Overnight to
face England Sunday morning. No real surprises from a Wellington
point of view, though Billy propped A gets another opportunity
at center.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Was this a surprise at all?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
A little bit. I think they had a couple of
options that the way they could have gone piney in
terms of the selections, and they could have moved to
retail Juanne back to the left wing, or maybe a
sever Reese. They could have moved richtel Uanne back into
the midfield or an Anton Lennett Brown, but I think
I quite like to call it Billy Doctor has had
a run of seats earlier in the year at center
(01:43):
and perhaps didn't take his opportunities as well as he
would have liked over the course of that run. But
I think what they've done here is backed him to
give him another chance. And they did that earlier in
the year and perhaps didn't work out necessary the way
they would have wanted. But I admire the fact that
they've given the opportunity. Said, this is a huge test
for the All Blacks, and we believe that you've still
got what it takes if it's become as a result
(02:05):
of injury. But I think Billy propped if he's picked
up a few things on the training field and developed
his game a little bit further. Let's pope he makes
every poster win.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
It comes Sunday morning, Elliot, what's the story behind Simon
Parker making the start?
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Well, I think it's about bolstering the bench. I think
they want to get that firepower in the last half
hour of games, and we've seen England name a six
to two bench split has been called the Pom squad
over here. They've gone with a lot of experience on
the beach. In fact, their bench average is forty cats
per player, so that's how much experience they're bringing off
(02:40):
and I think You're Blacks are trying to counter that
with a little bit of firepower by putting wall of
Stiti on the bench. Now, Simon Parker gets the start.
He's nowhere near as explosive as wall as Sa Titi,
but I think they wouldn't get the same impact if
they bought Simon Parker off the beach for the last
thirty minutes or thereabouts of the game. We saw what
he could do against Ireland. He ran rings around attiring defense.
(03:02):
He was excellent last year at Twickenham, and they clearly
want to own this beach roll. So I think that's
a smart selection sign. Parker can tackle all he wants
at the England carriers all day long until the cars
come high, or until you get subs, and then the
All Blacks to make the change and bring on that
explosive power of Wallace to teas Elliet.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
Do we have to as rugby fans now change our
mindset that the bench is not a secondary set of players,
and playing well off the bench shouldn't get you a start.
Actually being a part of Jerseys sixteen to twenty three
is a prestigious job in itself, big time.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
And I think we've been slow to accept that. Maybe
as New Zealand rugby fans rugby pundits. You look at
what South Africa did and they want to a World
Cup on the back of the bomb squad and the
seven to one split they were doing and the way
that they revolutionized how they played the game in the
second half of each fexture by bringing on seven forwards.
(04:00):
You know the game's by in lives that the margins
are so finite and test rape at the moment they
come down to a march here or there, a moment
here or there in the final fifteen, ten, five minutes,
whatever it might be, and it is a twenty three
nine game now, and then I think we've got to
approach it from that mindset that because you play well
on the bench of him and you're all out to start,
your best role might be in that closing thirty minutes
(04:22):
as a closer. And if we can build the All
Blacks from it, if theits can build that sort of
debt there and have the way that they want to
play in the final thirty that allows them to lift
the tempo of the game or whatever it might be,
then they'll go a long way to winning. And I
just don't think that mindset shift has been made as yet,
but I think we're getting there very very slowly, and
selections like Wallace the teas and also Damien McKenzie what
(04:44):
he did in that last twenty minutes last week will
certainly go a long way to helping that.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I was just about to say, Damian McKenzie or you
were talking about almost typified one man, I mean, would
be be happy with him starting?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Well maybe not, but coming off the bench. We think
he's a world.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Beater absolutely, and if that's the role that he gets
over the next couple of years towards the World Cup
and it nails it, then you know it's a system working.
And we've seen England go with that sixty two bench split.
South Africa's going almost with a four to fourth sort
of split this weekend in many ways, so look, if
he can come on on a tiring defenses and play
(05:22):
the kind of immediately know he can in the final
twenty minutes after the starters have set it up for him.
You know, you think of it one day correct and
I know one day credits dying out a little bit,
but you had there's I mean, you'd have you know,
brings him a clumb a tumbe in at six or
seven and the order and here was the finish of
the closer. We'll think of it in that mindset that
these are the players he want on and that thirty
five to fifty over mark where they're going to bring
(05:44):
home the run chase that the openers have set it
up from. I think we changed our mindset a little bit.
Rather than going starter reserve, then we'll go a long
way and I think the Albocks wo go a long
way to winning to get more test matches.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Elliott, are we favorite to win?
Speaker 4 (05:58):
This depends? You asked, Finny, what do you reckon?
Speaker 6 (06:04):
I know the odds over here have the All Blacks
are slight favorites, but that is very much a tab
bias in New Zealand betters over there are England fans
confident of victory.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
They be leaning further it is a really good chance
at victure. I've seen some of the English bookies and
they've got England as favorites, but it's a fifty to
fifty game I think and England are sensing an opportunity.
If the All Blacks had managed to kick on against
Scottland last week from seventeen their up and put a
decent score on them in the second half, they're able
to rotate a few players out and you know, cruise
(06:38):
home to the finish, then it could have been a
little bit different. But they didn't. They had to squeak
out a win thanks to Damien McKenzie. So I think
the English extends there's a chance to take this. When
they're on a nine game winning Streety're playing some really
really good rugby. They've been Australia comfortably a fortnight ago
and they haven't been too far away against the All
Blacks over their last three meetings since Scott Robinson took charge.
(06:59):
So they seem that they can get a couple more
moments right then they'll be well in it. I think
that goes to their bench as well, you know, the finishes,
the experience to close out this game in the in
the latter stages, they believe they're a red hot goal
of you know, beating the All Blacks, ending that Grand
Slam hopes and for them it's two years out of
the World Cup sammers the All Blacks, but it will
be a real statement of attempt if they were to
(07:20):
get this win.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Elliott, can you just really really quickly because we've got
to move on. Give us the vibe, as you know,
is there. We're not quite getting the vibe here. I
mean it's a huge thing. Is the vibe in London?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Big? Is the you know, is it there? I'm not.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
I'm not overly though, look at us. Think it'll be
you know, eighty thousand fans coming through the gates on
the weekend is a bit of media coverage. There's been
a few English media coming through, but it's hard to
break through in cities like London. Are England are playing
a football World Cup qualifier at the moment that's on
the back pain Premier League all that sort of thing,
so it's hard to break through. But eighty thousand people
on Saturday asternoon here, you can't be wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Thank you very much for joining us this morning. Eli
have all the best break a leg on the call
and all those people that are listening. If you want
to hear it live and uninterrupted on news talk set.
Be Elliott is our golden voice. Thank you, appreciate you.
Piney got to talk to you quickly about the Phoenix
game last week.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I mean I could not move away from the TV.
It was unbelievable as a fan watching it.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
What was it like to be there?
Speaker 6 (08:24):
Yeah, amazing, incredible drama. I mean from Wellington Phoenix's point
of view. Obviously a loss, another loss to Auckland f C.
That's four now in these men's derbies, but an occasion, man,
it was just filled with drama too.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Red cards for Auckland FC.
Speaker 6 (08:40):
You know, goals, passion, you know, fans in the stands
from both sides chanting at one another. It's quickly become
a pretty pretty compelling, you know, proposition. From a viewer's
point of view, even those who aren't deeply invested in football,
I think we'll watch the derbies because of everything that's
wrapped around them, just the energy in that in that ground.
(09:02):
So yeah, a shame that Wellington couldn't get some out
of the game, unable to break down Auckland FC's nine
men there at the end. But yeah, no, they've got
a week off this week. It's an international break and
they'll go again next week. But yeah, the Derbys are
just terrific.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Terrific, terrific. Event quickly.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Wellington women play Newcastle on Sunday at Pottydoor Park.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Yep, they've started their season.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
They played the early game, yeah, kins Canberra won all
they I think the BEF priestman said afterwards, they kind
of let the occasion get the better of them. There's
been so much hype and you and I have talked
about this a lot on this slot with Coops. You
know about how highly rated the Wellington Phoenix women are
this season, and I think they just needed to get
that first game out of the way and they got
(09:47):
a point.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
That's fine.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
They've got Newcastle on Sunday Pottydoor Park. I like the
venue better I think than the stadium, even though you
want to play in the big grounds, Pottydoor Park's a
great little boutique ground for the women to play at.
So year four o'clock Sunday afternoon. I get the feeling
they'll do really well.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
I've go only got a minute.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
But I also want to get your view on the
All Whites playing Colormbia, because that's what's another big event
for US.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Massive.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
Columbia are a good team, Nick, you know they're they're
they in World Cup qualifying in South America. They finished
above Brazil and we know, we know, you know the
pedigree of Brazilian football. They're thirteenth in the world. Columbia,
we're in the eighties and we're missing a number of
key players. So but when the World Cup rolls around
next year, these are the kind of teams we're going
to be up against. You know, the draws next month incidentally,
(10:30):
so look a huge challenge for Darren Baisley and his
team on Sunday at one o'clock and then they play Ecuador,
who also finished a Brazil in South American qualifying. Incidentally,
that game is on Wednesday, so this is their biggest
test of the year. Two top quality South American sides.
We're going to get a really good idea of the
metal of this.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
New Zealand were under strength.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
We are under strength, you know, no Liby Cacatchi, no
Chris Wood, no Alex Paulson, no Ryan Thomas. So look,
there's some big players not there, but opportunity knocks for
other players. You know, they can go in there and say, look,
pick me on that playing Darren Baiseley next year.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah, Cometh the Hour, Cometh the Man, isn't it something
like that?
Speaker 5 (11:09):
It is exactly, Daniel. How are you doing brilliantly as
well overnight?
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Oh gosh, we forgot to mention that. I'm sorry, I've
got it. I've got to go, but thank you. Jason Pine.
All Sports Afternoon, All Sports. I was going to say
all sports breakfasts. Jason and I used to do the
All Sports Breakfast No Afternoon Saturday and Sunday with Jason Pine.
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