May 13, 2026 • 25 mins
The Gary & Shannon Show Hour 2 (05.13) – Alex Murdaugh gets a retrial, an asteroid buzzes Earth, and Shannon accuses Gary of running over children during a discussion about California’s growing e-bike chaos.• The South Carolina Supreme Court unanimously grants Alex Murdaugh a retrial → reigniting one of the wildest true crime stories in recent memory
• Gary & Shannon break down the corrupt court clerk scandal, the Netflix documentary, and why the entire case feels like a scripted drama• Then: an asteroid makes a close pass by Earth this week
• Scientists say there’s “nothing to worry about,” which immediately makes Shannon question what WOULD qualify as concerning• California authorities announce a major child exploitation sting while the show somehow detours into debating an old childhood swimsuit photo of Gary posted online• Plus: California’s e-bike crackdown intensifies after prosecutors file involuntary manslaughter charges tied to a teenager riding an illegal high-powered e-motorcycle
• Gary & Shannon discuss how quickly these bikes exploded in popularity before anyone fully thought through the risks• And finally: new research suggests dogs may actually help people live longer — emotionally, mentally, and physically — which honestly surprises absolutely nobody with a dog
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
There is a developing story and as you mentioned, the
Alex Murda murder conviction has been overturned in South Carolina.
We should dedicate a segment to this because I think
this is a.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
It's weird that it was such a high profile case.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
It's one of those that's had TV shows made about it, books.
It seemed like just an open and shutcase and to
have the now the conviction is not. The overturn is
not a result of evidentiary problems.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
No, it's problem. It's like an administrative problem with Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
The South Carolina Supreme Court saying we don't like any
of this backwater trial crap, with the court clerk talking
to the jurors about how the defendant is a bad guy.
They're holding the judicial system to a higher standard as
what they're doing. That's why you had an unanimous decision
from this Supreme Court.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
He's not going to get out of prison, nothing like that.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
He is.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
He ended up pleading guilty to stealing about twelve million
from his client's murder did Alex Murda currently serving a
forty year federal sentence. And like you mentioned, the true
crime documentaries, the shows about this, they're all very good.
The story has everything. Really, it's got generational power in
(01:26):
the legal system in South Carolina. You've got greed with
this guy who seems to have just skated through law
school and into all of these powerful positions in law
because of who his father and his grandfather and his
great grandfather was, and his never ending greed to continue
to amass the wealth to the point of fraud where
(01:49):
he's stealing millions from his law firm. You've got a
parent who kills a child, a parent who kills a spouse.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
You've got a child who.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Was involved in potentially the murder of a classmate because
he was drunk and boding at the time. I mean,
it really does have every It checks all the true
crime boxes except maybe I don't think there was an
affair in this one. I don't think he was heated.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
That I don't. I don't remember, So we mentioned this.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
The court found that the prosecutor's efforts to get the
conviction were in vain because a court clerk. According to
the Supreme Court placed her fingers on the scales of justice,
thereby denying Murda his right to a fair trial by
impartial jury. She Rebecca Hill, is the court clerk's name.
She pleaded guilty a few months ago to obstruction of justice,
(02:46):
perjury couple counts of misconduct in office because she admitted
that she was she showed sealed crime scene photos to
a reporter and then lied about it when she was
asked about it. She also admitted to promoting a book
about the trial through her public office. It really is erist,
should she be? I mean, yeah, she only got probation.
(03:08):
She didn't get jail time.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Well, it's just got no record. It's very hard to
get jail time.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Period.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
But if you want an explainer, you want a trip
down memory lane. Netflix did a great documentary. It was
called Murdaw Murders, a Southern Scandal, and that was in
twenty twenty three. But a couple of books written about this.
I have one of them. Haven't gotten to it. But there's,
like I said, there's a lot of meat on that
bone in terms of how he was able to operate
(03:35):
relatively unscathed as he stole millions and just the people
around him, and the relationships that you build when your
family's got entrenched in the legal system for so many years.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Who's the crime writer that I'm courtroom drama, Time to Kill.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Author. He writes books?
Speaker 4 (04:04):
All right, Grisham, thank you?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Okay, I was trying. I had Scott Toow in my
head and I knew that.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Wasn't think.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
This goes beyond what I think you would find in
a John Grisham book, right, I mean there's a few
layers in there that would be at even John Grisham
be like, I'm so that's a little far fetched. Yeah,
the former prosecutor.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
That was part of.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
The rule for some reason.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Further the vampire part, No, that's Anne Rice.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Never mind, don't you are jeriatric? This time? Is somebody
turn up the thermostats?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Please give me something that sound gary. I like to
sit in my house and sweat.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Yeah, it feels good to be warm, it does.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
It? Does?
Speaker 5 (04:50):
I know.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
We're two piece of upont of this one. I have
a space heater in here. Every person who comes in
this do suo goes, oh my god, it's hot here.
We're I'm with you, and I am with you. Appreciate
that all right, coming up next? Can we stopping old
people and get into something?
Speaker 3 (05:17):
You name it, we'll get into it.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
How about child exploitation sounds great?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Now I find a different adjective.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Do we have any like party music? Like something to
get excited about? Anticipation music?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Anticipation music? I listened to them of Jesus. Okay, well
the world, here's a different sound.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
There's a new asteroid, y'all. It's gonna make a close
encounter with Earth on Monday.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
The asteroid will pass within fifty six thousand miles of
Earth on Monday, significantly closer than the distance between Earth
and the Moon. Ah.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
They say there's no need to worry. But why would
they tell us to worry even if there was? Right?
What are you gonna do?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Honestly, what are you going to do if they said
there is reason to worry? I guess it's I guess
people want to get like I don't. I don't even
want to say their affairs in order because we're all
wiped out at that point. So it's just kind of
like if you don't want to die, without telling somebody
you love them, or you're sorry.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Or something like that.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
You have something you need to say.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
No, okay, I've said all the things.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Are you getting I get a thought and I say
it immediately within six point seven seconds. Nothing is unsaid
in this mind sadly, but they say current calculations show
no evidence that the object will hit earth.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Well, listen, look at how.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
What's the word turgid people get when they talk about
hantavirus and the excitement about a potential pandemic which is
not going to happen. But that's something to get.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Through to manage. People like to manage things. But this
is just you know, if it hits good night everybody.
It's designated as twenty twenty six jh two. It is
about fifty to one hundred feet across, so it wouldn't
wipe out all of us. They would cost some issues,
it would cost some damage. It's not even it's even
a good one.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Detectives involved in a year long child exploitation investigation have
found forty two people that they've arrested. They said that
there are five hundred suspects being identified.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Now listen to this because this is something that I
think is different. It's called Operation Volcano.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Whenever you hear this, you think about Catch a Predator, right,
that old show, and you think about the dudes that
walk into that kitchen with their little paper bags full
of weird crap. This sting involved a psychologist, a doctor,
people that worked in positions of public trust. These aren't
(08:13):
just you know, guys that masturbate on the platform of
the gold Line.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Very graphic.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
You're right, that was unnecessarily graphic. It just was top
of mind because it came up before the show. These
are individuals suspected of sharing these illicit materials online. It
ran from March twenty twenty five until this March, and
it focused on high risk offenders across the Inland Empire
(08:42):
and surrounding areas.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
They found a child psychologist, they found a naturopath, doctor,
retired law enforcement employee, couple of corporate vice presidents, US
postal service worker.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
They said that the investigation produced a massive trove of
digital evidence. The amount of data seized in the sting
equivalent of about four hundred smartphones worth of evidence. We
don't know exactly what types of evidence. All we know
that it involved the exploitation of children that people were
(09:18):
turning around and what selling images online.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Selling trading viewing?
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Gross?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
What yuck?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
And when you think about some of these people that
you know, the people in public positions of public trust,
is there described psychologists, child psychologists, no, less nature, apathtic doctor.
It's not like they need money, right, they make a living.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
No, they're doing it because they're dirty. Yeah, they're doing
it because they're broken, broken people. Okay, one of the detectives,
so that defenders could be highly skilled in manipulation, where
they just in terms of how they get the material
in the first place, they gain a child's trust obviously
before they exploit them, and that the best way to
fight against that early on is just having parents talking
(10:04):
with their kids now. But that's the problem is so
many of these kids that are exploited like this, they
don't have that kind of relationship with their parents.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
That's the reason why they're exploited.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Well, no, but those kids could be in the public.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
These kids are kids that are come from great homes
that are just out in the public and with smartphones,
you can take pictures of kids anytime you want. It's
not like these kids are being lured to a dungeon
because they're not doing anything after school. These are just
kids out there in the wild. This is why I think,
and I you know, from time to time I think
(10:35):
about it. I really think we should take down that
picture that we have on our social media of you
as a child in your swim outfit. I just think
it's wrong, it's distasteful. You're clearly a minor, You're clearly disrobed,
and I think we should take it down. Who knows
what people are doing with that.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
What worse? This picture located Elmer. That's not the right question.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
You have to subscribe.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
It was not the right question.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
You could have asked things like, well, how old were
you and what was the context of it.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
It's on our social media, sure, it's on Instagram. I
know that. At Gary and Shannon, you're gonna have to
scroll down a while.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
There were a couple of sad stories out of the
NBA outside of the Lakers losing their season. Jason Collins
became the first openly gay player in the NBA, died
from brain cancer just forty seven, and then a much
younger guy, twenty nine year old Brandon Clark, formerly the
Memphis Grizzlies, has died. They said they have not yet
(11:47):
figured out what killed him, although TMZ reported that immersion
emergency responders did say they found drug paraphernalia in his home.
Dodgers dropped another the Giants to two last night, so
Shohey is actually on the mountain night for the Dodgers,
but probably will not hit. Angels lost to the Guardians
again three to two. They just started their game this afternoon.
(12:10):
And the Dodgers did pick up an outfielder from the Diamondbacks,
guy name Alec Thomas. Probably not going to be playing
center field very much, but we'll switch off with Andy
Paez there. And the Golden Knights lost last night, so
the sorry. The Golden Knights beat the Ducks last night
three to two in overheim overtime, so Vegas takes a
three games to two lead in that series.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Coming up next.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Having a dog can boost your life, your longevity. We'll
talk about what science says. But you may have heard
about this. I saw this on social media because it
was a post from the Huntington Beach Police Department about
them receiving reports that a man city was attacked over
the weekend by a throng of teenagers on e bikes
(12:54):
near the beach. Sam l said is his name, told
Kate Tla he was hitting the face with a glass
bottle thrown by someone in the crowd, kicked and stomped
on by multiple people when he tried to navigate through
dozens of people on e bikes.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
E bikes is very it's a very popular thing right now.
E bike is like the new Tesla.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Right Remember how like there were all these news articles
written up anytime any sort of accident, injury, death involved
at Tesla or Tesla Rana stop, Tesla Rana stops and
it's like, well, how many Nissans run stop signs? It
happens all the time, But for a while there, if
a Tesla was doing up, it was written up in
the media.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
And now that's where we're at with e bikes.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
It's very popular to talk about all the exploits of
e bike writers and the like. We were on the
record saying that there should be more rules around these things,
especially if they're going to go up to sixty miles
an hour what have you? And in your kid's fourteen
and doesn't have a license yet, doesn't know the rules
of the road and all of that, all that comes
along with it. But now we're getting not just that
(13:59):
e bikes are danger, but the temperament of those who
ride them.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Are not good either.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yeah, gets into their brain.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
You know, the whole gang of e bike riders that
are violent.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Now, Well, that being said, yesterday, the Orange County mother
that's been connected with a deadly e motorcycle crash involving
her son was in court. Fifty year old mom facing
involuntary manslaughters because her fourteen year old son hit and
killed a retired Vietnam VET and then took off. By
(14:30):
the way, his name hasn't been released, but you know
who Mom's name, but mom's name has been.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Todd Spitcher.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
The OCDA said that he was going to start holding
parents accountable for their children's actions when it comes to
these e bikes and e motorcycles. A twelve year old
still in the hospital with major injuries after they hit
by a car woll riding an e bike up in
San Luis Obispo County. There was another guy who was
hit while he was riding an e bike just the
other day, just a Monday night. I believe in the valley.
(14:59):
All all of this goes to how ubiquitous these things
have become. And with that, I mean similar to what
we saw with perhaps smartphones. Parents aren't really spending a
whole lot of time trying to figure out what the
potential downside to this is. And if you know, everybody
(15:22):
in your kid's class has an e bike because they
had till they get around now, there should be at
least a half of brain cells energy expended on maybe
maybe they don't need this thing that's going to cost hundreds,
if not a few thousand dollars, and they just get
them a bike.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
They're supposed to follow the rules of the road, aren't they.
I have a problem with bicyclists. I'll give the bicyclist
obviously right of way on the road, but if we
both come up to that red light and you don't stop,
it pisses me off. Well, you got If you want
the luxury of being on the road and following the
rules of the road and other people giving you the
(16:02):
space that you need, then then stop at the stop sign.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Stop at the red light.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
It's a weird thing.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I remember this when I was riding my bike a lot,
especially like through Chico because it's a pretty bike friendly town,
just because the university's right there and I would ride
it to work all the time. So I'm open down
the esplanade on my bicycle, and I remember there's a
there's a an attitude of I want to be I
(16:31):
want to be treated like a vehicle, right, I mean,
I want to have that same right away. I want
people to give me space. I want to make sure
that I'm careful, that they're careful around me. And that's
what I don't have to stop for the times you
have to stop exactly, but then but when it's convenient
for me, I can squeeze out of this, or I
can ride through the almost like lane splitting, the attitude
of lane splitting if you're on a motorcycle in the freeway.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
So now that's coming from that that mindset of where
I live.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Having e bikes do this is more frustrated because now
you've got bikes with motors that are not paying attention
to red lights or stop signs, and that adds obviously
a lot of danger for everybody and more problems.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
And I mean, we live in suburban areas, so we
live in areas where it's more likely that you're going
to find kids. You're more likely going to find people
on bikes like this. It's when where I am, that
main street that kind of goes up the hill. There's
kids on that every single day, all day from morning tonight.
(17:30):
I mean, they are constantly buzzing around on that and
you do fifty to fifty five miles an hour up
on that road. These guys are trying to weave in
and out of traffic. They're not paying attention to where
they are. They're in lanes of traffic. There's no bike
lanes for them to be in.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Still, you shouldn't have run over three of them yesterday,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (17:49):
I too.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
I ran over now of them.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
The other one I backed into it, gave a little bump,
but I didn't technically run over her.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I just.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I just bumped your off the bike.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
That's all all right?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Coming up next, having a dog boost your longevity, Like
you need another reason to have a dog.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Come on, you don't have a dog.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
I don't because they die. And that's my problem with dogs.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
You know, I am all.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
I know that, but I'm not going to have.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
To see you die.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
You don't ten to fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
You don't know that I'm not gonna have to pay,
you know, thirty thousand dollars for your treatment and then
watch you die even though I paid for the treatment.
You to pay that much, Well, if you're my dog,
I'm gonna pay that much. That's how much I would
love you.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
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Speaker 2 (18:49):
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(19:31):
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Speaker 3 (19:46):
With our friends up there at Bravery, which.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Callers four five and six, four five and six. Okay,
I've had two dogs as an adult, I've had two dogs.
I had one cat, Kevin. We don't talk about, you know.
I'd like to bring something for you to use his name.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Okay, they I won't bring it up, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
I just want to say I love animals.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
You were hosting a show with Casey Montoya.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I know her, Yes, this week Tuesday of last week.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Yes, I love her. I want her to come on
when you're not here. But anyway, that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
You guys were talking about somebody getting away with murder,
and she said something like, you know, you must feel
some sort of Relaxation's the wrong word, but just like
a nice exhale if if you finally tell somebody that
you killed somebody, like if you killed somebody, right, don't
(20:58):
you feel like letting everybody?
Speaker 4 (21:00):
No, don't you feel a sense of relief? And you paused?
Speaker 1 (21:06):
And I was in the car with my husband and
he said something like yeah, like with Kevin, likeow.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Oh wow, yes, wow, honey, dog owner.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I mean he made a point, he made a good point,
Like do you feel better about telling all of us
about how you killed Kevin?
Speaker 3 (21:34):
I didn't kill Kevin.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Oh, you took him to a shelter.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yes, And I'm pretty certain he was adopted.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
What evidence do you have of that?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
He was a spotlessly white, long haired cat. It was
a beautiful cat.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Oh so because he's white, he got adopted.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Like me, dog owners, I hope you spit all of that,
every single drop of that water out, dog owners.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Even Will coulsdriver comes down the hall to shake his
head at you.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Dog owners appear to live longer than non dog owners
bunch of different research. In fact, a meta analysis of
about four million people published in a journal called Circulation
Population health researchers found that having a dog was linked
to a twenty four percent lower risk of death from
any cause during the study period compared to those who
(22:29):
lived canine free. Probably myriad different reasons why This is true.
A they can boost your immunity. We know that about
pets and small small people children, sorry, small people, they
tend to be smaller. You walk your dog's physical movement
(22:51):
that gives you, you know, some health benefit there obviously,
the serotonin, the dopamine that you get from staring into
your dog's eyes. I mean, all of these, all of
these can go towards you and a longer life, or
at least a less likely risk that you're going to
die early.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Do you give?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Do you have your dog to force eye contact with you?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Not this one. I don't have to force it, right,
that's true. The other one you had to force. The
other one.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
He was not too keen on the he would have
you know, He's okay if he was far enough away,
like he could see, but he did not like you
getting up into his face.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
This one is not that one.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
It's so fascinating dogs and their personalities. It's kind of
like your kids, right, Like how they can be so different.
You know, they essentially have kind of the same life.
They've got the same parents, the same environment, but just so.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
So different different. Well, the difference between my dogs is
a lot of It also has to do with the genetics.
They are one specific pod, but obviously they're from different
par parents and different the But.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Like it's a real uh fight or it's a real
argument of nature versus nurture.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Absolutely. Yeah, So you're not going to get a dog.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
No, I traveled too much, and then the dog will
like my husband more, and then it'll be all whole thing.
It'll be two against one.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
That was another headline that just came out, and I
saw a bunch of the morning TV shows talking about
do your pets miss you when you're on vacation?
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Thousand percent.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I noticed that my dog was MOPy and sad all weekend.
And it's not because the house was hot. No, because
your my wife was out of town.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Yeah, so did she? Was she MOPy and sad without
your dog?
Speaker 3 (24:46):
M Was she MOPy and sad without my dog?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
She went to places where there were dogs. She stayed
my sister's house, she visited her brother, her parents.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
They all have dogs.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
It's not her dog.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
That's the difference.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Huge difference.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Gary, I like to sit in my house and sweat.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Okay, we already heard from that guy, but I just
referenced the fact that the house was warm over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Is that the same dude that calls in all the time?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
I have no, that's a I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
We should have put down the information and see you
live in that guy's head man, I'm Gary. Does he
sounds similar? All right, we'll talk trending when we come
back to Gary and Shannon.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
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Speaker 1 (25:32):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
There is a developing story and as you mentioned, the
Alex Murda murder conviction has been overturned in South Carolina.
We should dedicate a segment to this because I think
this is a.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
It's weird that it was such a high profile case.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
It's one of those that's had TV shows made about it, books.
It seemed like just an open and shutcase and to
have the now the conviction is not. The overturn is
not a result of evidentiary problems.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
No, it's problem. It's like an administrative problem with Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
The South Carolina Supreme Court saying we don't like any
of this backwater trial crap, with the court clerk talking
to the jurors about how the defendant is a bad guy.
They're holding the judicial system to a higher standard as
what they're doing. That's why you had an unanimous decision
from this Supreme Court.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
He's not going to get out of prison, nothing like that.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
He is.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
He ended up pleading guilty to stealing about twelve million
from his client's murder did Alex Murda currently serving a
forty year federal sentence. And like you mentioned, the true
crime documentaries, the shows about this, they're all very good.
The story has everything. Really, it's got generational power in
(01:26):
the legal system in South Carolina. You've got greed with
this guy who seems to have just skated through law
school and into all of these powerful positions in law
because of who his father and his grandfather and his
great grandfather was, and his never ending greed to continue
to amass the wealth to the point of fraud where
(01:49):
he's stealing millions from his law firm. You've got a
parent who kills a child, a parent who kills a spouse.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
You've got a child who.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Was involved in potentially the murder of a classmate because
he was drunk and boding at the time. I mean,
it really does have every It checks all the true
crime boxes except maybe I don't think there was an
affair in this one. I don't think he was heated.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
That I don't. I don't remember, So we mentioned this.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
The court found that the prosecutor's efforts to get the
conviction were in vain because a court clerk. According to
the Supreme Court placed her fingers on the scales of justice,
thereby denying Murda his right to a fair trial by
impartial jury. She Rebecca Hill, is the court clerk's name.
She pleaded guilty a few months ago to obstruction of justice,
(02:46):
perjury couple counts of misconduct in office because she admitted
that she was she showed sealed crime scene photos to
a reporter and then lied about it when she was
asked about it. She also admitted to promoting a book
about the trial through her public office. It really is erist,
should she be? I mean, yeah, she only got probation.
(03:08):
She didn't get jail time.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Well, it's just got no record. It's very hard to
get jail time.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Period.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
But if you want an explainer, you want a trip
down memory lane. Netflix did a great documentary. It was
called Murdaw Murders, a Southern Scandal, and that was in
twenty twenty three. But a couple of books written about this.
I have one of them. Haven't gotten to it. But there's,
like I said, there's a lot of meat on that
bone in terms of how he was able to operate
(03:35):
relatively unscathed as he stole millions and just the people
around him, and the relationships that you build when your
family's got entrenched in the legal system for so many years.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Who's the crime writer that I'm courtroom drama, Time to Kill.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Author. He writes books?
Speaker 4 (04:04):
All right, Grisham, thank you?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Okay, I was trying. I had Scott Toow in my
head and I knew that.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Wasn't think.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
This goes beyond what I think you would find in
a John Grisham book, right, I mean there's a few
layers in there that would be at even John Grisham
be like, I'm so that's a little far fetched. Yeah,
the former prosecutor.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
That was part of.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
The rule for some reason.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Further the vampire part, No, that's Anne Rice.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Never mind, don't you are jeriatric? This time? Is somebody
turn up the thermostats?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Please give me something that sound gary. I like to
sit in my house and sweat.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Yeah, it feels good to be warm, it does.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
It? Does?
Speaker 5 (04:50):
I know.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
We're two piece of upont of this one. I have
a space heater in here. Every person who comes in
this do suo goes, oh my god, it's hot here.
We're I'm with you, and I am with you. Appreciate
that all right, coming up next? Can we stopping old
people and get into something?
Speaker 3 (05:17):
You name it, we'll get into it.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
How about child exploitation sounds great?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Now I find a different adjective.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
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Speaker 1 (05:32):
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get excited about? Anticipation music?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Anticipation music? I listened to them of Jesus. Okay, well
the world, here's a different sound.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
There's a new asteroid, y'all. It's gonna make a close
encounter with Earth on Monday.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
The asteroid will pass within fifty six thousand miles of
Earth on Monday, significantly closer than the distance between Earth
and the Moon. Ah.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
They say there's no need to worry. But why would
they tell us to worry even if there was? Right?
What are you gonna do?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Honestly, what are you going to do if they said
there is reason to worry? I guess it's I guess
people want to get like I don't. I don't even
want to say their affairs in order because we're all
wiped out at that point. So it's just kind of
like if you don't want to die, without telling somebody
you love them, or you're sorry.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Or something like that.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
You have something you need to say.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
No, okay, I've said all the things.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Are you getting I get a thought and I say
it immediately within six point seven seconds. Nothing is unsaid
in this mind sadly, but they say current calculations show
no evidence that the object will hit earth.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Well, listen, look at how.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
What's the word turgid people get when they talk about
hantavirus and the excitement about a potential pandemic which is
not going to happen. But that's something to get.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Through to manage. People like to manage things. But this
is just you know, if it hits good night everybody.
It's designated as twenty twenty six jh two. It is
about fifty to one hundred feet across, so it wouldn't
wipe out all of us. They would cost some issues,
it would cost some damage. It's not even it's even
a good one.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Detectives involved in a year long child exploitation investigation have
found forty two people that they've arrested. They said that
there are five hundred suspects being identified.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Now listen to this because this is something that I
think is different. It's called Operation Volcano.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Whenever you hear this, you think about Catch a Predator, right,
that old show, and you think about the dudes that
walk into that kitchen with their little paper bags full
of weird crap. This sting involved a psychologist, a doctor,
people that worked in positions of public trust. These aren't
(08:13):
just you know, guys that masturbate on the platform of
the gold Line.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Very graphic.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
You're right, that was unnecessarily graphic. It just was top
of mind because it came up before the show. These
are individuals suspected of sharing these illicit materials online. It
ran from March twenty twenty five until this March, and
it focused on high risk offenders across the Inland Empire
(08:42):
and surrounding areas.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
They found a child psychologist, they found a naturopath, doctor,
retired law enforcement employee, couple of corporate vice presidents, US
postal service worker.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
They said that the investigation produced a massive trove of
digital evidence. The amount of data seized in the sting
equivalent of about four hundred smartphones worth of evidence. We
don't know exactly what types of evidence. All we know
that it involved the exploitation of children that people were
(09:18):
turning around and what selling images online.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Selling trading viewing?
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Gross?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
What yuck?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
And when you think about some of these people that
you know, the people in public positions of public trust,
is there described psychologists, child psychologists, no, less nature, apathtic doctor.
It's not like they need money, right, they make a living.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
No, they're doing it because they're dirty. Yeah, they're doing
it because they're broken, broken people. Okay, one of the detectives,
so that defenders could be highly skilled in manipulation, where
they just in terms of how they get the material
in the first place, they gain a child's trust obviously
before they exploit them, and that the best way to
fight against that early on is just having parents talking
(10:04):
with their kids now. But that's the problem is so
many of these kids that are exploited like this, they
don't have that kind of relationship with their parents.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
That's the reason why they're exploited.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Well, no, but those kids could be in the public.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
These kids are kids that are come from great homes
that are just out in the public and with smartphones,
you can take pictures of kids anytime you want. It's
not like these kids are being lured to a dungeon
because they're not doing anything after school. These are just
kids out there in the wild. This is why I think,
and I you know, from time to time I think
(10:35):
about it. I really think we should take down that
picture that we have on our social media of you
as a child in your swim outfit. I just think
it's wrong, it's distasteful. You're clearly a minor, You're clearly disrobed,
and I think we should take it down. Who knows
what people are doing with that.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
What worse? This picture located Elmer. That's not the right question.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
You have to subscribe.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
It was not the right question.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
You could have asked things like, well, how old were
you and what was the context of it.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
It's on our social media, sure, it's on Instagram. I
know that. At Gary and Shannon, you're gonna have to
scroll down a while.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
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Speaker 2 (11:23):
There were a couple of sad stories out of the
NBA outside of the Lakers losing their season. Jason Collins
became the first openly gay player in the NBA, died
from brain cancer just forty seven, and then a much
younger guy, twenty nine year old Brandon Clark, formerly the
Memphis Grizzlies, has died. They said they have not yet
(11:47):
figured out what killed him, although TMZ reported that immersion
emergency responders did say they found drug paraphernalia in his home.
Dodgers dropped another the Giants to two last night, so
Shohey is actually on the mountain night for the Dodgers,
but probably will not hit. Angels lost to the Guardians
again three to two. They just started their game this afternoon.
(12:10):
And the Dodgers did pick up an outfielder from the Diamondbacks,
guy name Alec Thomas. Probably not going to be playing
center field very much, but we'll switch off with Andy
Paez there. And the Golden Knights lost last night, so
the sorry. The Golden Knights beat the Ducks last night
three to two in overheim overtime, so Vegas takes a
three games to two lead in that series.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Coming up next.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Having a dog can boost your life, your longevity. We'll
talk about what science says. But you may have heard
about this. I saw this on social media because it
was a post from the Huntington Beach Police Department about
them receiving reports that a man city was attacked over
the weekend by a throng of teenagers on e bikes
(12:54):
near the beach. Sam l said is his name, told
Kate Tla he was hitting the face with a glass
bottle thrown by someone in the crowd, kicked and stomped
on by multiple people when he tried to navigate through
dozens of people on e bikes.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
E bikes is very it's a very popular thing right now.
E bike is like the new Tesla.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Right Remember how like there were all these news articles
written up anytime any sort of accident, injury, death involved
at Tesla or Tesla Rana stop, Tesla Rana stops and
it's like, well, how many Nissans run stop signs? It
happens all the time, But for a while there, if
a Tesla was doing up, it was written up in
the media.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
And now that's where we're at with e bikes.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
It's very popular to talk about all the exploits of
e bike writers and the like. We were on the
record saying that there should be more rules around these things,
especially if they're going to go up to sixty miles
an hour what have you? And in your kid's fourteen
and doesn't have a license yet, doesn't know the rules
of the road and all of that, all that comes
along with it. But now we're getting not just that
(13:59):
e bikes are danger, but the temperament of those who
ride them.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Are not good either.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yeah, gets into their brain.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
You know, the whole gang of e bike riders that
are violent.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Now, Well, that being said, yesterday, the Orange County mother
that's been connected with a deadly e motorcycle crash involving
her son was in court. Fifty year old mom facing
involuntary manslaughters because her fourteen year old son hit and
killed a retired Vietnam VET and then took off. By
(14:30):
the way, his name hasn't been released, but you know
who Mom's name, but mom's name has been.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Todd Spitcher.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
The OCDA said that he was going to start holding
parents accountable for their children's actions when it comes to
these e bikes and e motorcycles. A twelve year old
still in the hospital with major injuries after they hit
by a car woll riding an e bike up in
San Luis Obispo County. There was another guy who was
hit while he was riding an e bike just the
other day, just a Monday night. I believe in the valley.
(14:59):
All all of this goes to how ubiquitous these things
have become. And with that, I mean similar to what
we saw with perhaps smartphones. Parents aren't really spending a
whole lot of time trying to figure out what the
potential downside to this is. And if you know, everybody
(15:22):
in your kid's class has an e bike because they
had till they get around now, there should be at
least a half of brain cells energy expended on maybe
maybe they don't need this thing that's going to cost hundreds,
if not a few thousand dollars, and they just get
them a bike.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
They're supposed to follow the rules of the road, aren't they.
I have a problem with bicyclists. I'll give the bicyclist
obviously right of way on the road, but if we
both come up to that red light and you don't stop,
it pisses me off. Well, you got If you want
the luxury of being on the road and following the
rules of the road and other people giving you the
(16:02):
space that you need, then then stop at the stop sign.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Stop at the red light.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
It's a weird thing.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I remember this when I was riding my bike a lot,
especially like through Chico because it's a pretty bike friendly town,
just because the university's right there and I would ride
it to work all the time. So I'm open down
the esplanade on my bicycle, and I remember there's a
there's a an attitude of I want to be I
(16:31):
want to be treated like a vehicle, right, I mean,
I want to have that same right away. I want
people to give me space. I want to make sure
that I'm careful, that they're careful around me. And that's
what I don't have to stop for the times you
have to stop exactly, but then but when it's convenient
for me, I can squeeze out of this, or I
can ride through the almost like lane splitting, the attitude
of lane splitting if you're on a motorcycle in the freeway.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
So now that's coming from that that mindset of where
I live.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Having e bikes do this is more frustrated because now
you've got bikes with motors that are not paying attention
to red lights or stop signs, and that adds obviously
a lot of danger for everybody and more problems.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
And I mean, we live in suburban areas, so we
live in areas where it's more likely that you're going
to find kids. You're more likely going to find people
on bikes like this. It's when where I am, that
main street that kind of goes up the hill. There's
kids on that every single day, all day from morning tonight.
(17:30):
I mean, they are constantly buzzing around on that and
you do fifty to fifty five miles an hour up
on that road. These guys are trying to weave in
and out of traffic. They're not paying attention to where
they are. They're in lanes of traffic. There's no bike
lanes for them to be in.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Still, you shouldn't have run over three of them yesterday,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (17:49):
I too.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
I ran over now of them.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
The other one I backed into it, gave a little bump,
but I didn't technically run over her.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I just.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I just bumped your off the bike.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
That's all all right?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Coming up next, having a dog boost your longevity, Like
you need another reason to have a dog.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Come on, you don't have a dog.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
I don't because they die. And that's my problem with dogs.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
You know, I am all.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
I know that, but I'm not going to have.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
To see you die.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
You don't ten to fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
You don't know that I'm not gonna have to pay,
you know, thirty thousand dollars for your treatment and then
watch you die even though I paid for the treatment.
You to pay that much, Well, if you're my dog,
I'm gonna pay that much. That's how much I would
love you.
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Speaker 3 (19:46):
With our friends up there at Bravery, which.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Callers four five and six, four five and six. Okay,
I've had two dogs as an adult, I've had two dogs.
I had one cat, Kevin. We don't talk about, you know.
I'd like to bring something for you to use his name.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Okay, they I won't bring it up, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
I just want to say I love animals.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
You were hosting a show with Casey Montoya.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I know her, Yes, this week Tuesday of last week.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Yes, I love her. I want her to come on
when you're not here. But anyway, that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
You guys were talking about somebody getting away with murder,
and she said something like, you know, you must feel
some sort of Relaxation's the wrong word, but just like
a nice exhale if if you finally tell somebody that
you killed somebody, like if you killed somebody, right, don't
(20:58):
you feel like letting everybody?
Speaker 4 (21:00):
No, don't you feel a sense of relief? And you paused?
Speaker 1 (21:06):
And I was in the car with my husband and
he said something like yeah, like with Kevin, likeow.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Oh wow, yes, wow, honey, dog owner.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I mean he made a point, he made a good point,
Like do you feel better about telling all of us
about how you killed Kevin?
Speaker 3 (21:34):
I didn't kill Kevin.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Oh, you took him to a shelter.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yes, And I'm pretty certain he was adopted.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
What evidence do you have of that?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
He was a spotlessly white, long haired cat. It was
a beautiful cat.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Oh so because he's white, he got adopted.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Like me, dog owners, I hope you spit all of that,
every single drop of that water out, dog owners.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Even Will coulsdriver comes down the hall to shake his
head at you.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Dog owners appear to live longer than non dog owners
bunch of different research. In fact, a meta analysis of
about four million people published in a journal called Circulation
Population health researchers found that having a dog was linked
to a twenty four percent lower risk of death from
any cause during the study period compared to those who
(22:29):
lived canine free. Probably myriad different reasons why This is true.
A they can boost your immunity. We know that about
pets and small small people children, sorry, small people, they
tend to be smaller. You walk your dog's physical movement
(22:51):
that gives you, you know, some health benefit there obviously,
the serotonin, the dopamine that you get from staring into
your dog's eyes. I mean, all of these, all of
these can go towards you and a longer life, or
at least a less likely risk that you're going to
die early.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Do you give?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Do you have your dog to force eye contact with you?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Not this one. I don't have to force it, right,
that's true. The other one you had to force. The
other one.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
He was not too keen on the he would have
you know, He's okay if he was far enough away,
like he could see, but he did not like you
getting up into his face.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
This one is not that one.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
It's so fascinating dogs and their personalities. It's kind of
like your kids, right, Like how they can be so different.
You know, they essentially have kind of the same life.
They've got the same parents, the same environment, but just so.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
So different different. Well, the difference between my dogs is
a lot of It also has to do with the genetics.
They are one specific pod, but obviously they're from different
par parents and different the But.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Like it's a real uh fight or it's a real
argument of nature versus nurture.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Absolutely. Yeah, So you're not going to get a dog.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
No, I traveled too much, and then the dog will
like my husband more, and then it'll be all whole thing.
It'll be two against one.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
That was another headline that just came out, and I
saw a bunch of the morning TV shows talking about
do your pets miss you when you're on vacation?
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Thousand percent.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I noticed that my dog was MOPy and sad all weekend.
And it's not because the house was hot. No, because
your my wife was out of town.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Yeah, so did she? Was she MOPy and sad without
your dog?
Speaker 3 (24:46):
M Was she MOPy and sad without my dog?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
She went to places where there were dogs. She stayed
my sister's house, she visited her brother, her parents.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
They all have dogs.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
It's not her dog.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
That's the difference.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Huge difference.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Gary, I like to sit in my house and sweat.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Okay, we already heard from that guy, but I just
referenced the fact that the house was warm over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Is that the same dude that calls in all the time?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
I have no, that's a I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
We should have put down the information and see you
live in that guy's head man, I'm Gary. Does he
sounds similar? All right, we'll talk trending when we come
back to Gary and Shannon.
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