May 7, 2026 • 28 mins
The Gary & Shannon Show Hour 2 (05.07) – The LA mayoral debate turns into a fight over homelessness, addiction, and whether City Hall understands basic reality.• Debate fallout → Karen Bass, Nithya Raman, and Spencer Pratt clash in Pratt’s first major debate appearance
• Strange dynamic → Raman accuses Bass and Pratt of teaming up against her• Homelessness debate → city-funded needle programs spark outrage from business owners and residents
• Shannon unloads → stop funding “luxury pet projects” before fixing the basics like streets, water systems, and public safety• Viral moment → Raman insists “everyone would be housed” under her leadership
• Shannon’s response → “That’s a kindergarten answer.”• Bigger frustration → are politicians confusing homelessness with addiction and mental illness?
• Gary & Shannon question whether making street life easier actually discourages treatment and recovery• Spencer Pratt settles in → after a shaky start, he finds footing and lands direct shots at Raman’s policies• Final soapbox → Gary calls for regular people to get involved in politics before the city completely loses the plot
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Congratulations to Claire. We got a graduation announcement. Oh, Claire
graduating from the Point Loma, Nazarene class of twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Sew oh, what a beautiful announcement.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Says that turns out a degree requires the same skill
as high rocks, endurance, grit and ignoring the voice in
your head that says you could just quit. Thanks for
cheering me along the way, Claire.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
That's awesome. I've been looking into doing high rocks. But
because read the what she wrote of as thanks for
the background noise while I studied business, I'll take it
such a great compliment. I'll take it. That's a great
very cool. She competed in high rocks and graduated. That
is something to celebrate. Well done, Claire. We are watching
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what's going on internationally. The President is welcoming I believe,
the President of Brazil to the White House today.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
They've had kind of a rocky relationship, as you could say,
with a lot of other world leaders. They're expected to trade,
to discuss trade and security, among other things. When that happens,
there's always a scrum of reporters and they will likely
ask about waiting for the latest response from Iran about
(01:26):
our proposal to end the war. So that's what's going
on in the world today.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Hey guys, dB in San Diego, the rich are getting
richer and not paying their share of this gas tax
you're speaking of. They own electric vehicles, they're charging from
home from midnight till seven at almost zero rates. They
paid no tax at the gas pump. How does that
fare to the rest of California drivers. Let's think this
(01:54):
through and get it right.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
A couple things about that I drive an electric car.
The utility have changed their rates, most of them so
that the overnight price is not the pennies that it
used to be because they know that that's what was happening.
And people were using a lot of electricity overnight and
it was cheap because it was great and it was
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what the governor told us to do. We were all
supposed to buy these electric cars to save the environment.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Right. The other thing is, and then Tesla came out
with the greatest electric vehicle, and because he was a
right wing guy, the Democrats all said, we hate electric
vehicletric vehicles.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I don't like hypocrisy. The other thing is electric vehicles
tend to be a lot heavier than do normal gas
power vehicles, and registration. Part of what you pay for
registration is based on your gross vehicle weight because of
the potential for damage to the road. So it's not
like it's true that obviously electric vehicle owners do not
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pay a gas tax, but they do pay more in
registration fees generally. So last night, the pre game to
the governor's debate was this debate between candidates for mayor,
three of them, not all of them, but three of them.
You had Mayor Karen Bass, the incumbent. You had Niffia Rahman,
who was up there as a city council member, and
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you had Spencer Pratt insert name of label you want
to put on that guy now, whether he's an entrepreneur,
a reality show villain, whatever you want to call him,
he was on the stage with the two major candidates
for this race. This is a significant thing for him.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Now.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
One of the weirdest parts came early on. Councilwoman Nifia
Rahman suggested that Spencer Pratt and Karen Bass were somehow
a team.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Today, You're going to watch today as Mayor Bass and
Spencer Pratt attack me because they want to run against
each other in the general election. Each of them thinks
that running against each other is what's going to help
them win.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
First off, that true, Mayor Bass and I are definitely
not working together. I've blamed this version for Bertie, my
house and my parents' house in my town and all
my neighbors down. I am not working with Mayor Bass.
If I wanted to run against anybody else, it's going
to be her council member, who is terrible. Mayor of Bass,
he has at least been a mayor for almost four years.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
True, I was just gonna say, there's no if Spencer
Pratt picked his ideal candidate, it would be Nithia Rahman. Sure,
she's so progressive.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
So he said something that was so dismissive of her
that she was angry about it, to the point she
complained after this is that this three word phrase ready
some random council member, Because listen, there's fifteen council members
in the Yeah, so it's not I mean, it's not
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that she is a random things.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
She's made a name for herself. She's a wrong way
said last night or the night before, over and over.
I'm just one of fifteen. I'm just one of fifteen,
which means you're just some random council member. Out of
your own mouth. Now, that's what one of fifteen means,
doesn't it When she's taking Karen Bass to task, Because
Karen Bass is like, hey, you've been here for six years, lady,
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don't hold me accountable. Where have you been You've been
here for six years. Nitia Ramins defense is, but I'm
one of fifteen. I'm just some random city council member.
So when Spencer Pratt calls her on it, she complains, yeah,
it was. It was pretty rich. Yeah, exactly, perfect word
for it.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
There was the contention that you saw and heard during
the governor's debate was previewed in the mayor's debate. There
were a couple of times when some names were called,
et cetera.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Oh, I can't wait. We'll get into some of that
stuff when we come back. Also, your chance at one
thousand dollars, what's yeah? That's even Do we do that
in the first hour? I sure did. Were you here?
I don't know?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Do you remember much of that hour because you were
you were on a higher plane. Then you were vibrating
at a different times.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I take caffeine and you know, wake up next to
Katie Porter.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
It's some people do it with whiskey, they blackout. You
do it with coffee. What happened? Where am I?
Speaker 6 (06:12):
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Speaker 2 (06:18):
All right, we're talking about last night's mayor's debate on NBC.
Spencer Pratt, Karen Bass, Nythia Rahman. A couple things about it.
They tried their best, did NBC in Conan Nolan and
Colling Williams and their compatriot from Telemundo to try to
keep things just guide.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Let no name calling. Let's have some decorum a little
bit perper Now, is this the first time the three
have been on the stage together. Yes, okay. So you've
got Karen Bass, who is the Queen of La of Sacramento.
She's long been a figurehead in the democratic machine of
California politics. And then you've got Nythia Rahman, who was
in her camp as a city council person for Los
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Angeles who became a turncoat brutus all up palace intrigue, Yes,
brutus and uh and stabbed her right in the back,
trying to stage a coup there at city Hall and
take the mayor's chair. And then you've got Spencer Pratt
from the reality world who came in as a surprise
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wild card after his home burned down in the Palisades.
And so these three already, I mean, that's entertaining if
you don't even care about politics.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, there's a lot of storylines that are motivating storylines.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Perhaps she's an incredible liar. Everyone on their phones google it.
Forty weather stations in the Pacific Palisades. It never went
above stordie most.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
I have to interrupt you. No name calling, Yeah, but
no name calling.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
We should call me a liar.
Speaker 7 (07:56):
I don't believe she did.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I did not. We're not going to they were.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
The issue that they were talking about was specifically how Hi,
how fast the winds were blowing in the Palisades that day,
and he was explaining, I have the evidence to show, well.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
It's an easy pivot. Okay, she's not a liar. This
is a lie, and then go on the other story
is well.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
One of the issues that I thought was interesting was
the idea of the city needle program. Now, I got
emails yesterday and overnight regarding John Ally, the business owner
or a real estate guy who owns a bunch of
buildings in LA. He's the one who recently published the
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audio of Karen Bass in a phone call that they
had regarding her disappearance basically from LA just before the
fire started. He had asked specifically, he and Norm Langer,
the owner of Langer's Deli, had come out and starmifically
asked to stop giving out free needles and pipes around
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the area where Langer's Deli is, MacArthur Park, because it
has absolutely devastated that that area and the idea that
Langer's Deli is going to survive if they do, it's
only because they've been able to clean up the MacArthur Park,
which we'll talk later about. The DEA came through and
tried to do that. But this question very simply, will
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you continue the city contract to give out needles and
pipes to drug abusers.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
Runner's Deli, which as you all know, is a staple
of downtown Los Angeles, is asking all of you to
end the needle run giveaway program. So my question, Mayor
first of all, to you, yes or no, it's run
by the city. The city run needle programs, right, yes
or no? Yes, don't remember Ramen. No, mister prop.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Absolutely no needles and pipes for drug addicts on the street.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Ever.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Well, I did want to say in response to this
question that the way you address homelessness, the way you
address people living on the street, is by bringing them
off the street.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
You're insane. She wants to put everybody inside, she says,
if I may or everyone will be inside, that is
a kindergarten response to a massive problem. Well, and I
feel about needles and pipes the way I feel about trains.
If you want to talk, if you want to talk
about giving needles and pipes out, that's great. Fix everything first,
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and then you can talk about the luxuries you're going
to be handing out to the people who are addicted
on the streets. Clean up the streets, fix the roads, please,
fire water roads, and then you can talk about pipes
and needles or whatever. But until you get the core
principles of why we pay tax dollars dealt with in
the city of la these are our luxury pet projects.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
It also strikes me specifically this idea of free needles
and needle exchange programs that exist all over the world
in different places. I've never understood the math behind it.
I get that you're trying to cut down on the
prevalence of infectious diseases, but all you're doing in the
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meantime is discouraging people from going like sheet like Nathia
Rahman said indoors.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
That's it I mean.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
And this comes to a very in both of these
debates we saw last night, the issue of homelessness discussed
and Katie Porter another one who is this delusional idea?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
This was her response. The cause of homelessness is the
cost of housing. No, that is so crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Now you can split the two and I think that's.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
What when I lived in Marina del Rey and not
to buy a home, I couldn't buy a home in
a twenty square radius. Did I start living on this street? Yes? No,
I moved far out of Los Angeles to where the
housing prices were much much, much, much, much much cheaper.
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You move out to, Sam Bernardino, you move out to
you move out to places where you can afford to live. Now,
that's that's the one thing. Affordable housing is a thing
it's a problem, but that's not why people are homeless,
and that's two different issue.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
That's what I didn't Nobody pushed back on that. Nobody
did it in the governor's debate. Nobody did it in
this debate. You're talking about separate things. I will say
Chad Bianco did explain multiple times as a guy who's
worked in law enforcement, who's had to deal with people
on the streets all the time. You're not talking about
somebody who missed a rent payment. You're not talking about
somebody who lost their job. You're not talking about somebody
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necessarily who got out of a domestic violence situation. You're
talking about people who are had a series of problems
go wrong.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Many, many, many times.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
It's because of their drug and alcohol addiction combined with
whatever sort of mental illness they've established.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
The last thing I want is for somebody who I love,
who's exhibiting the fentanyl fold in MacArthur Park to be
handed a clean needle by the city to continue living
that life. That's the last thing I want if I
care about you, if you develop some sort of fentanyl
problem and the city hands you a clean needle out
there in MacArthur park. I am so pissed off at
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the city because I care about you. You do, yes,
I know it doesn't feel like it often, but I do.
That's nice. I don't want you to die in that park.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
This was Spencer Pratt's response to Nthia Rahman talking about well,
well we'll come back. It was it was probably the
most I thought. It's the ling brilliant response that he
had all night. But like, honestly, it's the enabling.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
It's the it's the city sanctioned enabling that's going on
with the homeless issue. It's because of feeling. And what
do they do in San Francisco, where they also have feelings?
They clean it up up there because they changed the
policy of making it legal to be on fentanyl and
get a clean needle. In Union Square you can't do
that anymore, So why can't they do that in La
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Gary Shannon will continue.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
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Speaker 1 (14:22):
We do have an announcement coming up tomorrow. What is it?
We're doing it? Why are we waiting till tomorrow because
it's a Friday. I don't like it when we have secrets,
I know, but it's gonna be. I mean, I know
what it is. Okay, Well, then why are you acting
like you don't know what it is? I don't know.
I still go ahead, you steal what I think you
might know what it is. No, I do know what
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it is. Oh you do? Yeah? What is it? Does
it deal with America? Yes? Okay?
Speaker 8 (14:48):
Hey Gary, Hey, when you were talking about paying extra
DMVC for your.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
GVW gross vehicle away, anybody who.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
Drives a pickup truck pays that safe fee that you're paying.
But because the pickup truck burns gas, we're also paying
the gas tax. Yeah, so you're partially correct, but you're
totally wrong.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Okay, I'll take that. Yes, yeah, my registration for my
truck is obscene.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
But electric vehicle, electric vehicles that are I think it's
after twenty nine or twenty twenty. I believe also pay
what they call a road improvement fee, which is at
least one hundred bucks. Again, I'm not saying it makes up.
I'm not saying it makes up for the electric vehicles
not paying a gas tax. But I am saying electric
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vehicle users do pay. They do pay fees. It's not
like you just get away with it. It's not like
it comes out of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
It's just again, it would be one thing, it would
be a conversation if the roads were fixed. They are not.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Right, Yeah, all right, we're talking about the mayor's debate
from last night. Spencer Pratt to me, started out on
rocky ground. He started out a little flustered. He started
out not being able to put words together. Knowing that
he kind of had to be on his best behavior
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and knowing that this was not a commercial that he
could put on Twitter. This was the big boy time
to put on your pants and act like a man.
He started out rocky. He did much better towards the
end of it because he simply was able to look
at these other two candidates on the stage or at
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the camera and go, We've done this same thing for
years and it's only getting worse. Matt Mayon, running for governor,
has the line that he's repeated multiple times, and I'm
pretty sure he said it to us when he was
sitting in here, which was, you know, our for example,
our state spending, our budget has gone up seventy percent
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over the last twenty years. Whatever the numbers are that
he uses, and he'll ask this question, are you saying
life is seventy percent better than it was twenty years ago?
And the answer to now so. Spencer Pratt's kind of
in that same vein asking where is all of this
money going and when are we going to see any
sort of improvement? Discussion of homelessness with Nithia Rahman, the councilwoman,
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was talking about the successes that she claims she's had
in her district in fighting homelessness.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
I will go below the Harbor Freeway tomorrow with her
and we can find some of these people she's gonna
offer treatment for She's gonna get stabbed in the neck.
These people do not want a bed, They want Fennol
or super med. These ideas cost us over four hundred
million dollars to house for sixty seventy What do you say?
Three thousand people for four hundred million is absolute failure
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for both of them.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
They're a team. Yeah, you give somebody. Let's just not
even say it's a shelter, right because that's a dirty
word around here, and say shelter that's not cool. Let's
just go with Nithia Rammin's plan to put them inside
supportive housing. That's a room and a bed. Do you
think people's drug and alcohol addictions go away because you
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have changed the environment of where they're sleeping. Let me
answer that for you. They don't. Does that make it easier?
Does that make it more attractive for them to go
into treatment? No, it gives them a place to get high.
There's no reason for them to clean up their act
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if they're even more comfortable with their addiction. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I mean, that's why I think you need we need
to do a better job we as either people in
the media or the moderators in these debates, need to
do a better job of delineating between affordability, how affordability
when it comes to housing, which is definitely an issue,
and and rescuing people from the throes of drug addiction
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and mental illness while on the streets in the state
of California. You've got to be able to separate those things.
And if you conflate, like Katie Porter and Nithia Rahman
are doing, you canflate them and say something like the
only reason why they're out there is because housing prices
are so high.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
That's ridiculous, because.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
There are millions of other people who cannot afford a
house in the state of California who are not living
on this street.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Shows me you don't have firm grasp of what the
problem is, and then you shouldn't be elected if you
don't have a firm grass.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Again to go back to, if that's the problem, if
you're saying that there's a problem, you're saying there's a
problem with affordability. You're saying there's a problem with gas prices.
You're saying there's a probability with insurance policies or insurance
companies picking up stakes and moving out of California. You're
saying there's a problem with all of these things, all
of these things that are going wrong in the state
of California. Are you blaming Republicans?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
That's what I was just gonna say. It's not a well, no, no,
I was just gonna say, it's not a anti democratic
thing to say that it's drugs and alcohol and mental
illness and housing prizes and all those things. When did
it become just the Democratic talking point that it's just
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housing and you can't talk about that other stuff like what?
That doesn't make any sense to me. It just to
me sounds like you don't have a firm grasp of
the issue. But suddenly you're a bad Democrat if you
talk about people's addictions.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
If Chad Bianco comes out and fires back at Katie
Portering goes, you're getting this all wrong. You are completely
mischaracterizing what the issue is. Then she fires back with
something like, oh, well, that's a maga talking point, right.
You didn't answer the question and you did not solve
the problem.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
In a maga talking point to say that people our
addictions are running rampant on the streets of LA because
you're enabling them. How is it a Republican thing to say?
I don't get that, because, like I said, if I
care about the people that are living on the streets,
I want them out of that life, out of that lifestyle,
and I want to make it hard for them to
live that life and poison themselves. Yeah, and simply doing
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it indoors is not the answer to it. No, it's
a silly, silly thing.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Nobody asked us that's the problem. Well, here's my theory.
When we come back, I want to talk about my
my Oh you have a theory, well, my utopia when
it comes to politicians.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Oh boy, yeah, I will get out my twinkle shoes. Yeah,
my unicorn saddle and I will get ready to ride
the rainbow into political utopia, calling for a new era.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
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Speaker 1 (21:52):
So weirdly broken in this world. Yeah, they're just broken.
And the talkback feature on the iHeart radio app is
really little peek into in there. I was going to
leave you a talkback while I was gone, okay, but
then where you're going to say, I, well, I don't remember.
Oh at the time, Oh, I think, oh, this is
(22:14):
what it was. Handle was doing a couple segments on obituaries,
and I was going to leave you a talkback saying
something cute like, hey, Handle just did a couple segments
on obituaries, including what he'd like in yours? What do
you want in yours? Like, I don't know, it's going
to be something like.
Speaker 9 (22:31):
That hy garian Shannon. But one of the things I
like about Pratt is that he flat said, look, I
don't know everything.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
I know that, but I'm going.
Speaker 9 (22:44):
To surround myself with the best experts and make sure
we get the job done. And I think that's one
of the smartest things he said, because That's how you
do good business, is you surround yourself with people who
are competent and experience anyway, have a great day.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
So this is all just for fun because Karen Bass
will be re elected, just so, just so nobody gets
their hopes up that there's going to be a game
changer in La.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Three years ago, three years, three months ago, I would
have vehemently disagreed with you. But the fact that she's
been able to weather what she's weathered when she do
think it is kind of likely that.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
She when she held that press conference behind the podium
at city Hall, when she came in in the eleventh
hour and got that school unions fight settled, that was
her on election night winning the mayoral election in the
city of La. That was her going on television and saying,
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I still run this mfor I still have all the
power of the unions. Bless your heart, Spencer Pratt. But
there's a reason I wear this red dominating suit so well,
and it's why, and to dominate your ass on election night,
because she has the power of all the machines, whether
it's the democratic machine or the union machine. It's just
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what she still has. I mean, Nithya I'm curious to
see what the progressive dollars, how much they have, how
much power they have in a city of Los Angeles
right now, because I know that they're running their candidates
in various places. But are they powerful enough to take
over as like the lead king makers. I don't think
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they are at this point. I hope in New York
they are. But does it translate here? But I don't
know about here.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Ah, politically utopia, you'ready, let's go now.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
This would take a little bit of coercion.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
It might even take the threat of jail, a little
light violence, maybe just like aggressive tickling, but not you know, nothing.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
To the point where it's going to hurt anybody.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
But what if over the course of let's say, ninety
days between now and mid August August, we find people
who are the smartest, the strongest, the most benevolent but firm. Perhaps,
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whether it's your old wrestling coach from high school, the
boss you had that one time you worked at the
insurance company, was a really good person, a pastor at
your church, maybe just a neighbor who takes care of
his lawn, watches out for everybody in the cul de sac.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
And we nominate.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Ten people out of forty million in this effing state,
just ten different walks of life, if you feel like
it's necessary, different racial backgrounds, different ethnic backgrounds, different hand
capable backgrounds, whatever you want to do. And we find
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ten people, whether they like it or not, they are
their candidates for governor. And out of those ten people,
we find somebody to run this place for four years
and they become a reluctant but successful governor for the
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great state of California. Not these egotistical, filled with hubris,
unwilling to compromise, a holes and monsters that exist on
the current campaign stage.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
That's my utopia. I love that for you, and I
believe that the people who founded this great country had
the same framework in place, but now well except that
with a bunch of empty a holes. Except it was voluntary.
And it always has been the tale of Narcissus, Narcissus,
Narcissus whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Too close to the sun, baby, too close to the sun?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Us.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Well, then who's dessert? Oh he fell into the river.
Narcissus is the guy with the reflection in the water. Yeah,
but you know what, I got to show everyone how
good looking you know what?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yeah, Icarus was probably a little high on his own
supply well.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
And don't forget it was Icarus's father who built him
those wings. Yeah, dad, So what an enabler?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Am I?
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Right?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
You know we only have an hour left of.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Congratulations to Claire. We got a graduation announcement. Oh, Claire
graduating from the Point Loma, Nazarene class of twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Sew oh, what a beautiful announcement.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Says that turns out a degree requires the same skill
as high rocks, endurance, grit and ignoring the voice in
your head that says you could just quit. Thanks for
cheering me along the way, Claire.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
That's awesome. I've been looking into doing high rocks. But
because read the what she wrote of as thanks for
the background noise while I studied business, I'll take it
such a great compliment. I'll take it. That's a great
very cool. She competed in high rocks and graduated. That
is something to celebrate. Well done, Claire. We are watching
(00:56):
what's going on internationally. The President is welcoming I believe,
the President of Brazil to the White House today.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
They've had kind of a rocky relationship, as you could say,
with a lot of other world leaders. They're expected to trade,
to discuss trade and security, among other things. When that happens,
there's always a scrum of reporters and they will likely
ask about waiting for the latest response from Iran about
(01:26):
our proposal to end the war. So that's what's going
on in the world today.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Hey guys, dB in San Diego, the rich are getting
richer and not paying their share of this gas tax
you're speaking of. They own electric vehicles, they're charging from
home from midnight till seven at almost zero rates. They
paid no tax at the gas pump. How does that
fare to the rest of California drivers. Let's think this
(01:54):
through and get it right.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
A couple things about that I drive an electric car.
The utility have changed their rates, most of them so
that the overnight price is not the pennies that it
used to be because they know that that's what was happening.
And people were using a lot of electricity overnight and
it was cheap because it was great and it was
(02:15):
what the governor told us to do. We were all
supposed to buy these electric cars to save the environment.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Right. The other thing is, and then Tesla came out
with the greatest electric vehicle, and because he was a
right wing guy, the Democrats all said, we hate electric
vehicletric vehicles.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I don't like hypocrisy. The other thing is electric vehicles
tend to be a lot heavier than do normal gas
power vehicles, and registration. Part of what you pay for
registration is based on your gross vehicle weight because of
the potential for damage to the road. So it's not
like it's true that obviously electric vehicle owners do not
(02:52):
pay a gas tax, but they do pay more in
registration fees generally. So last night, the pre game to
the governor's debate was this debate between candidates for mayor,
three of them, not all of them, but three of them.
You had Mayor Karen Bass, the incumbent. You had Niffia Rahman,
who was up there as a city council member, and
(03:15):
you had Spencer Pratt insert name of label you want
to put on that guy now, whether he's an entrepreneur,
a reality show villain, whatever you want to call him,
he was on the stage with the two major candidates
for this race. This is a significant thing for him.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Now.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
One of the weirdest parts came early on. Councilwoman Nifia
Rahman suggested that Spencer Pratt and Karen Bass were somehow
a team.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Today, You're going to watch today as Mayor Bass and
Spencer Pratt attack me because they want to run against
each other in the general election. Each of them thinks
that running against each other is what's going to help
them win.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
First off, that true, Mayor Bass and I are definitely
not working together. I've blamed this version for Bertie, my
house and my parents' house in my town and all
my neighbors down. I am not working with Mayor Bass.
If I wanted to run against anybody else, it's going
to be her council member, who is terrible. Mayor of Bass,
he has at least been a mayor for almost four years.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
True, I was just gonna say, there's no if Spencer
Pratt picked his ideal candidate, it would be Nithia Rahman. Sure,
she's so progressive.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
So he said something that was so dismissive of her
that she was angry about it, to the point she
complained after this is that this three word phrase ready
some random council member, Because listen, there's fifteen council members
in the Yeah, so it's not I mean, it's not
(04:41):
that she is a random things.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
She's made a name for herself. She's a wrong way
said last night or the night before, over and over.
I'm just one of fifteen. I'm just one of fifteen,
which means you're just some random council member. Out of
your own mouth. Now, that's what one of fifteen means,
doesn't it When she's taking Karen Bass to task, Because
Karen Bass is like, hey, you've been here for six years, lady,
(05:05):
don't hold me accountable. Where have you been You've been
here for six years. Nitia Ramins defense is, but I'm
one of fifteen. I'm just some random city council member.
So when Spencer Pratt calls her on it, she complains, yeah,
it was. It was pretty rich. Yeah, exactly, perfect word
for it.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
There was the contention that you saw and heard during
the governor's debate was previewed in the mayor's debate. There
were a couple of times when some names were called,
et cetera.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Oh, I can't wait. We'll get into some of that
stuff when we come back. Also, your chance at one
thousand dollars, what's yeah? That's even Do we do that
in the first hour? I sure did. Were you here?
I don't know?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Do you remember much of that hour because you were
you were on a higher plane. Then you were vibrating
at a different times.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I take caffeine and you know, wake up next to
Katie Porter.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
It's some people do it with whiskey, they blackout. You
do it with coffee. What happened? Where am I?
Speaker 6 (06:12):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
am six forty.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
All right, we're talking about last night's mayor's debate on NBC.
Spencer Pratt, Karen Bass, Nythia Rahman. A couple things about it.
They tried their best, did NBC in Conan Nolan and
Colling Williams and their compatriot from Telemundo to try to
keep things just guide.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Let no name calling. Let's have some decorum a little
bit perper Now, is this the first time the three
have been on the stage together. Yes, okay. So you've
got Karen Bass, who is the Queen of La of Sacramento.
She's long been a figurehead in the democratic machine of
California politics. And then you've got Nythia Rahman, who was
in her camp as a city council person for Los
(07:00):
Angeles who became a turncoat brutus all up palace intrigue, Yes,
brutus and uh and stabbed her right in the back,
trying to stage a coup there at city Hall and
take the mayor's chair. And then you've got Spencer Pratt
from the reality world who came in as a surprise
(07:20):
wild card after his home burned down in the Palisades.
And so these three already, I mean, that's entertaining if
you don't even care about politics.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, there's a lot of storylines that are motivating storylines.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Perhaps she's an incredible liar. Everyone on their phones google it.
Forty weather stations in the Pacific Palisades. It never went
above stordie most.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
I have to interrupt you. No name calling, Yeah, but
no name calling.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
We should call me a liar.
Speaker 7 (07:56):
I don't believe she did.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I did not. We're not going to they were.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
The issue that they were talking about was specifically how Hi,
how fast the winds were blowing in the Palisades that day,
and he was explaining, I have the evidence to show, well.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
It's an easy pivot. Okay, she's not a liar. This
is a lie, and then go on the other story
is well.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
One of the issues that I thought was interesting was
the idea of the city needle program. Now, I got
emails yesterday and overnight regarding John Ally, the business owner
or a real estate guy who owns a bunch of
buildings in LA. He's the one who recently published the
(08:44):
audio of Karen Bass in a phone call that they
had regarding her disappearance basically from LA just before the
fire started. He had asked specifically, he and Norm Langer,
the owner of Langer's Deli, had come out and starmifically
asked to stop giving out free needles and pipes around
(09:08):
the area where Langer's Deli is, MacArthur Park, because it
has absolutely devastated that that area and the idea that
Langer's Deli is going to survive if they do, it's
only because they've been able to clean up the MacArthur Park,
which we'll talk later about. The DEA came through and
tried to do that. But this question very simply, will
(09:31):
you continue the city contract to give out needles and
pipes to drug abusers.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
Runner's Deli, which as you all know, is a staple
of downtown Los Angeles, is asking all of you to
end the needle run giveaway program. So my question, Mayor
first of all, to you, yes or no, it's run
by the city. The city run needle programs, right, yes
or no? Yes, don't remember Ramen. No, mister prop.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Absolutely no needles and pipes for drug addicts on the street.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Ever.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Well, I did want to say in response to this
question that the way you address homelessness, the way you
address people living on the street, is by bringing them
off the street.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
You're insane. She wants to put everybody inside, she says,
if I may or everyone will be inside, that is
a kindergarten response to a massive problem. Well, and I
feel about needles and pipes the way I feel about trains.
If you want to talk, if you want to talk
about giving needles and pipes out, that's great. Fix everything first,
(10:39):
and then you can talk about the luxuries you're going
to be handing out to the people who are addicted
on the streets. Clean up the streets, fix the roads, please,
fire water roads, and then you can talk about pipes
and needles or whatever. But until you get the core
principles of why we pay tax dollars dealt with in
the city of la these are our luxury pet projects.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
It also strikes me specifically this idea of free needles
and needle exchange programs that exist all over the world
in different places. I've never understood the math behind it.
I get that you're trying to cut down on the
prevalence of infectious diseases, but all you're doing in the
(11:22):
meantime is discouraging people from going like sheet like Nathia
Rahman said indoors.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
That's it I mean.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
And this comes to a very in both of these
debates we saw last night, the issue of homelessness discussed
and Katie Porter another one who is this delusional idea?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
This was her response. The cause of homelessness is the
cost of housing. No, that is so crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Now you can split the two and I think that's.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
What when I lived in Marina del Rey and not
to buy a home, I couldn't buy a home in
a twenty square radius. Did I start living on this street? Yes? No,
I moved far out of Los Angeles to where the
housing prices were much much, much, much, much much cheaper.
(12:11):
You move out to, Sam Bernardino, you move out to
you move out to places where you can afford to live. Now,
that's that's the one thing. Affordable housing is a thing
it's a problem, but that's not why people are homeless,
and that's two different issue.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
That's what I didn't Nobody pushed back on that. Nobody
did it in the governor's debate. Nobody did it in
this debate. You're talking about separate things. I will say
Chad Bianco did explain multiple times as a guy who's
worked in law enforcement, who's had to deal with people
on the streets all the time. You're not talking about
somebody who missed a rent payment. You're not talking about
somebody who lost their job. You're not talking about somebody
(12:48):
necessarily who got out of a domestic violence situation. You're
talking about people who are had a series of problems
go wrong.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Many, many, many times.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
It's because of their drug and alcohol addiction combined with
whatever sort of mental illness they've established.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
The last thing I want is for somebody who I love,
who's exhibiting the fentanyl fold in MacArthur Park to be
handed a clean needle by the city to continue living
that life. That's the last thing I want if I
care about you, if you develop some sort of fentanyl
problem and the city hands you a clean needle out
there in MacArthur park. I am so pissed off at
(13:25):
the city because I care about you. You do, yes,
I know it doesn't feel like it often, but I do.
That's nice. I don't want you to die in that park.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
This was Spencer Pratt's response to Nthia Rahman talking about well,
well we'll come back. It was it was probably the
most I thought. It's the ling brilliant response that he
had all night. But like, honestly, it's the enabling.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
It's the it's the city sanctioned enabling that's going on
with the homeless issue. It's because of feeling. And what
do they do in San Francisco, where they also have feelings?
They clean it up up there because they changed the
policy of making it legal to be on fentanyl and
get a clean needle. In Union Square you can't do
that anymore, So why can't they do that in La
(14:13):
Gary Shannon will continue.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
We do have an announcement coming up tomorrow. What is it?
We're doing it? Why are we waiting till tomorrow because
it's a Friday. I don't like it when we have secrets,
I know, but it's gonna be. I mean, I know
what it is. Okay, Well, then why are you acting
like you don't know what it is? I don't know.
I still go ahead, you steal what I think you
might know what it is. No, I do know what
(14:44):
it is. Oh you do? Yeah? What is it? Does
it deal with America? Yes? Okay?
Speaker 8 (14:48):
Hey Gary, Hey, when you were talking about paying extra
DMVC for your.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
GVW gross vehicle away, anybody who.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
Drives a pickup truck pays that safe fee that you're paying.
But because the pickup truck burns gas, we're also paying
the gas tax. Yeah, so you're partially correct, but you're
totally wrong.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Okay, I'll take that. Yes, yeah, my registration for my
truck is obscene.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
But electric vehicle, electric vehicles that are I think it's
after twenty nine or twenty twenty. I believe also pay
what they call a road improvement fee, which is at
least one hundred bucks. Again, I'm not saying it makes up.
I'm not saying it makes up for the electric vehicles
not paying a gas tax. But I am saying electric
(15:41):
vehicle users do pay. They do pay fees. It's not
like you just get away with it. It's not like
it comes out of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
It's just again, it would be one thing, it would
be a conversation if the roads were fixed. They are not.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Right, Yeah, all right, we're talking about the mayor's debate
from last night. Spencer Pratt to me, started out on
rocky ground. He started out a little flustered. He started
out not being able to put words together. Knowing that
he kind of had to be on his best behavior
(16:19):
and knowing that this was not a commercial that he
could put on Twitter. This was the big boy time
to put on your pants and act like a man.
He started out rocky. He did much better towards the
end of it because he simply was able to look
at these other two candidates on the stage or at
(16:41):
the camera and go, We've done this same thing for
years and it's only getting worse. Matt Mayon, running for governor,
has the line that he's repeated multiple times, and I'm
pretty sure he said it to us when he was
sitting in here, which was, you know, our for example,
our state spending, our budget has gone up seventy percent
(17:02):
over the last twenty years. Whatever the numbers are that
he uses, and he'll ask this question, are you saying
life is seventy percent better than it was twenty years ago?
And the answer to now so. Spencer Pratt's kind of
in that same vein asking where is all of this
money going and when are we going to see any
sort of improvement? Discussion of homelessness with Nithia Rahman, the councilwoman,
(17:25):
was talking about the successes that she claims she's had
in her district in fighting homelessness.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
I will go below the Harbor Freeway tomorrow with her
and we can find some of these people she's gonna
offer treatment for She's gonna get stabbed in the neck.
These people do not want a bed, They want Fennol
or super med. These ideas cost us over four hundred
million dollars to house for sixty seventy What do you say?
Three thousand people for four hundred million is absolute failure
(17:52):
for both of them.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
They're a team. Yeah, you give somebody. Let's just not
even say it's a shelter, right because that's a dirty
word around here, and say shelter that's not cool. Let's
just go with Nithia Rammin's plan to put them inside
supportive housing. That's a room and a bed. Do you
think people's drug and alcohol addictions go away because you
(18:13):
have changed the environment of where they're sleeping. Let me
answer that for you. They don't. Does that make it easier?
Does that make it more attractive for them to go
into treatment? No, it gives them a place to get high.
There's no reason for them to clean up their act
(18:37):
if they're even more comfortable with their addiction. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I mean, that's why I think you need we need
to do a better job we as either people in
the media or the moderators in these debates, need to
do a better job of delineating between affordability, how affordability
when it comes to housing, which is definitely an issue,
and and rescuing people from the throes of drug addiction
(19:04):
and mental illness while on the streets in the state
of California. You've got to be able to separate those things.
And if you conflate, like Katie Porter and Nithia Rahman
are doing, you canflate them and say something like the
only reason why they're out there is because housing prices
are so high.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
That's ridiculous, because.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
There are millions of other people who cannot afford a
house in the state of California who are not living
on this street.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Shows me you don't have firm grasp of what the
problem is, and then you shouldn't be elected if you
don't have a firm grass.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Again to go back to, if that's the problem, if
you're saying that there's a problem, you're saying there's a
problem with affordability. You're saying there's a problem with gas prices.
You're saying there's a probability with insurance policies or insurance
companies picking up stakes and moving out of California. You're
saying there's a problem with all of these things, all
of these things that are going wrong in the state
of California. Are you blaming Republicans?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
That's what I was just gonna say. It's not a well, no, no,
I was just gonna say, it's not a anti democratic
thing to say that it's drugs and alcohol and mental
illness and housing prizes and all those things. When did
it become just the Democratic talking point that it's just
(20:20):
housing and you can't talk about that other stuff like what?
That doesn't make any sense to me. It just to
me sounds like you don't have a firm grasp of
the issue. But suddenly you're a bad Democrat if you
talk about people's addictions.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
If Chad Bianco comes out and fires back at Katie
Portering goes, you're getting this all wrong. You are completely
mischaracterizing what the issue is. Then she fires back with
something like, oh, well, that's a maga talking point, right.
You didn't answer the question and you did not solve
the problem.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
In a maga talking point to say that people our
addictions are running rampant on the streets of LA because
you're enabling them. How is it a Republican thing to say?
I don't get that, because, like I said, if I
care about the people that are living on the streets,
I want them out of that life, out of that lifestyle,
and I want to make it hard for them to
live that life and poison themselves. Yeah, and simply doing
(21:12):
it indoors is not the answer to it. No, it's
a silly, silly thing.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Nobody asked us that's the problem. Well, here's my theory.
When we come back, I want to talk about my
my Oh you have a theory, well, my utopia when
it comes to politicians.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Oh boy, yeah, I will get out my twinkle shoes. Yeah,
my unicorn saddle and I will get ready to ride
the rainbow into political utopia, calling for a new era.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
So weirdly broken in this world. Yeah, they're just broken.
And the talkback feature on the iHeart radio app is
really little peek into in there. I was going to
leave you a talkback while I was gone, okay, but
then where you're going to say, I, well, I don't remember.
Oh at the time, Oh, I think, oh, this is
(22:14):
what it was. Handle was doing a couple segments on obituaries,
and I was going to leave you a talkback saying
something cute like, hey, Handle just did a couple segments
on obituaries, including what he'd like in yours? What do
you want in yours? Like, I don't know, it's going
to be something like.
Speaker 9 (22:31):
That hy garian Shannon. But one of the things I
like about Pratt is that he flat said, look, I
don't know everything.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
I know that, but I'm going.
Speaker 9 (22:44):
To surround myself with the best experts and make sure
we get the job done. And I think that's one
of the smartest things he said, because That's how you
do good business, is you surround yourself with people who
are competent and experience anyway, have a great day.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
So this is all just for fun because Karen Bass
will be re elected, just so, just so nobody gets
their hopes up that there's going to be a game
changer in La.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Three years ago, three years, three months ago, I would
have vehemently disagreed with you. But the fact that she's
been able to weather what she's weathered when she do
think it is kind of likely that.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
She when she held that press conference behind the podium
at city Hall, when she came in in the eleventh
hour and got that school unions fight settled, that was
her on election night winning the mayoral election in the
city of La. That was her going on television and saying,
(23:47):
I still run this mfor I still have all the
power of the unions. Bless your heart, Spencer Pratt. But
there's a reason I wear this red dominating suit so well,
and it's why, and to dominate your ass on election night,
because she has the power of all the machines, whether
it's the democratic machine or the union machine. It's just
(24:08):
what she still has. I mean, Nithya I'm curious to
see what the progressive dollars, how much they have, how
much power they have in a city of Los Angeles
right now, because I know that they're running their candidates
in various places. But are they powerful enough to take
over as like the lead king makers. I don't think
(24:30):
they are at this point. I hope in New York
they are. But does it translate here? But I don't
know about here.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Ah, politically utopia, you'ready, let's go now.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
This would take a little bit of coercion.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
It might even take the threat of jail, a little
light violence, maybe just like aggressive tickling, but not you know, nothing.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
To the point where it's going to hurt anybody.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
But what if over the course of let's say, ninety
days between now and mid August August, we find people
who are the smartest, the strongest, the most benevolent but firm. Perhaps,
(25:28):
whether it's your old wrestling coach from high school, the
boss you had that one time you worked at the
insurance company, was a really good person, a pastor at
your church, maybe just a neighbor who takes care of
his lawn, watches out for everybody in the cul de sac.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
And we nominate.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Ten people out of forty million in this effing state,
just ten different walks of life, if you feel like
it's necessary, different racial backgrounds, different ethnic backgrounds, different hand
capable backgrounds, whatever you want to do. And we find
(26:15):
ten people, whether they like it or not, they are
their candidates for governor. And out of those ten people,
we find somebody to run this place for four years
and they become a reluctant but successful governor for the
(26:40):
great state of California. Not these egotistical, filled with hubris,
unwilling to compromise, a holes and monsters that exist on
the current campaign stage.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
That's my utopia. I love that for you, and I
believe that the people who founded this great country had
the same framework in place, but now well except that
with a bunch of empty a holes. Except it was voluntary.
And it always has been the tale of Narcissus, Narcissus,
Narcissus whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Too close to the sun, baby, too close to the sun?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Us.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Well, then who's dessert? Oh he fell into the river.
Narcissus is the guy with the reflection in the water. Yeah,
but you know what, I got to show everyone how
good looking you know what?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yeah, Icarus was probably a little high on his own
supply well.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
And don't forget it was Icarus's father who built him
those wings. Yeah, dad, So what an enabler?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Am I?
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Right?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
You know we only have an hour left of.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Merrick this is you've been listening to The Gary and
Shannon Show.
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Hey Jonas! The official Jonas Brothers podcast. Hosted by Kevin, Joe, and Nick Jonas. It’s the Jonas Brothers you know... musicians, actors, and well, yes, brothers. Now, they’re sharing another side of themselves in the playful, intimate, and irreverent way only they can. Spend time with the Jonas Brothers here and stay a little bit longer for deep conversations like never before.