January 17, 2025 • 28 mins
Gary and Shannon are out and Mark Thompson and Marla Tellez fill in. Mark and Marla speak with freelance journalist, Jeremy Lee, who covered the Lahaina Fire in Maui and talk with retired LA County Fire Captain, Steven Kreager, about why California doesn’t invest in ‘Super Scooper’ aircraft to help fight wildfires.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Gary and Shannon return Monday. Mark Thompson here with Marla
Tayas and Jeremy Lee is an independent freelance journalist with
both NBCLA and ABC in Hawaii.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
And Hawaii is.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Important because the Lehina fire, of course, in twenty twenty three,
is something that Jeremy witnessed and covered and now here
in Los Angeles he's witnessing the fires here and seeing
eerie similarities.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Hi Jeremy, Hi, thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Of course, yes, we had you on earlier this week
and we wanted you to come back to continue the conversation.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
Jeremy.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Last hour, we talked about the rebuilding process here in
Los Angeles and how long that could take, and of
course this all starts with the cleanup process. We are
about a year and a half since the Leahina devastation.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
There can you talk about that?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Has the rebuilding begun in Lahina a year and a
half later? How long does it take to clear all
this debris?
Speaker 6 (01:06):
Well, there was a.
Speaker 7 (01:07):
Fairly long mitigation process and the people of Lahina were
warned about that early on that it could take years
before recovery was well underway. And so when we got
into the burn zone and it's been that access has
been very different. And I talked about that last time
that California law make sure that we as the press
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have access, but we were not allowed access to the
burn zone in Lahina after day five, I think or
day four. Even there they had shut down the highway.
People couldn't get there. There was a lot more tension
and control of this scene in Hawaii. But as far
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as the process goes, there was a timeline that was
laid out in regards to the mitigation, to removal of
toxic debris, to you know, the the land with a
substance that the tax substance that's used as well.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
And it's a long, long process for those who have
lost their hopes.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
We're talking along the last hour in the rebuilding conversation
about the way that infrastructure has to be rebuilt. It's
not just these structures, not just the businesses and residences.
And I'm wondering if you could speak to that, because
I mean, plumbing, electrical, all this stuff is sort of
the fundamentals before you can even build in some of
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these other things.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Right, And by day six, day seven, day eight, in
both Lahaina and here on PCH, I saw the same thing,
which was lines and lines of utility.
Speaker 7 (02:44):
Trucks that were at work. There was debris removal. Those
down power lines that I was photographing on day two,
day three, all of a sudden aren't there on day four.
So there is progress that is being made and very
rapid deployment when it comes to addressing this. And I
(03:04):
saw about in both cases that in both situations it
was known that yes, up, getting infrastructure restored is definitely
step one.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
So you've been out there on the front lines.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
We didn't have a briefing today, which is good news
because that means that there's not a whole lot to update.
In other words, there's been little to zero growth on
both the palisades that eating fires and containment is up
on both, Thank goodness.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
What have you seen in the last couple of days.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
What are you hearing from the homeowners who've lost homes,
the first responders on scene.
Speaker 7 (03:41):
Well, certainly you know that forward progress has been stopped
is a huge relief. Now, keep in mind there are
people who do not leave. There are people who wrote
it out that I have met with, both in Palisades
and Malibu, and if they do leave, they can't get back,
so they are essentially continuing to stay. And I went
(04:01):
back yesterday and interviewed both. These are people who I'm
interviewing for a story, and the interview subjects, both in
Malibu and in the Palisades, said they're not going to leave.
They're not going to because they've come this far. But
I can't imagine, you know, months on end living in
that situation where you don't have you know, running water,
(04:23):
you don't have electricity. It'll be interesting to see as
I continue to follow that I did realize.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
So there's literally people who just said, I'm in an
evacuation zone. All these days later, I've been here, I
have no power, I'm going to make it work, and
they're still there and they will continue to be there.
They can't go to the store, for instance, and come
back home because they won't be allowed back in right.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Correct.
Speaker 7 (04:46):
So it's people like me or you know, firefighters that
are dropping in to say hi to them, you know,
that are making contact and sometimes you know, I brought
a fellow some masks. He was out of respirator masks,
and he had spent of course January sum of eighteen
hours battling the blaze, he says, And he showed me
(05:07):
how he saved three of his neighbors' homes and his home.
But he wasn't worried of burning, but he was definitely
worried of the smoke Inhalaysia about his lungs, and so
he needed new masks.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
I dropped those off yesterday.
Speaker 7 (05:21):
You know, sometimes people haven't had hot food in a
couple of days. And these are really interesting interview subjects
that I've been speaking to over the last several days
to know them and hear their story. You know, there's
one couple that's in their seventies that wrote it out
and they had their scuba year ready next to their
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swimming pool that if they were compromised, they were going
to go underwater. It's really unbelievable. But there's also it's
not just you know, being a daredevil. There's also a
process to this, whereby these are people who are harding
their homes sure that their vents are not vulnerable, that
ember's are not going to get in. They are that
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they have defensible space that the area around them brushes,
you know, cut low, and they have distance and so forth.
So these aren't people who are just like I guess
I'll write it out. These they have, you know, in
some case, has taken courses. One guy had a full on,
you know, fire hose set up in his backyard, buckets ready,
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a swimming pool nearby or a hot tub where they
can get water once they predictably would eventually run out
of water pressure. Which so these are folks who have
anticipated these things. One was a mother and son duo,
and the son told me there's a story I've been
working on. He wanted to do it because his father
did it. His father saved the house in nineteen ninety
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three and recently was hospitalized, and so he wanted to stay.
And so he's still there with his mother. And I
just visited the yesterday.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Wow, what compelling stories.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Les extraordinary, absolutely extraordinary, And your experience at Lahina now
brought to this situation here in Los Angeles. It just
it kind of puts everything I think in terms of
your stories in some kind of context.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
That's quite unique. Great to talk to you, Jeremy Lee.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
That's why we wanted to have you back, and we
look forward to more of your reporting.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Thank you, thank you, Jeremy.
Speaker 7 (07:23):
Said, USA, thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
She is Marla, I am Mark, and it is our
last show. Kind of finishing out the week. We talked
a lot about the fires. Of course, they were raging
when we started this week, and now they seem to
be obviously with the change in wins and things calming,
they seem to be under control, though you know, not
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completely out.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Yeah, containment up Palisades fire.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
You've heard from Amy King thirty one percent eaten sixty
five percent no new growth, So Eaton is just over
fourteen thousand acres Palisades twenty three seven hundred plus acres.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
How is the baby today?
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Baby has been pretty quiet today. Yesterday, all yesterday she
was very active.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, at one point, I'll tell you this and tell
everybody this together, Marla said, you know, can you see
she's kicking?
Speaker 3 (08:20):
She's like moving in here.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
And I looked over and I really couldn't see. And
I resisted the thing that I think women probably don't like.
Everybody sort of feels like they have license to put
their hands on belly.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah, but I just didn't want to do that, but that's.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
An interesting thing that has happened a couple of times
where strangers have just come up and just put their
hands on my belly.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
I'm not sure how to how to rear.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I mean, it's so odd saying that people seem seem
to feel like it's open season on touching another person
without permission.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
And you know what I mentioned earlier that I wasn't
here on Tuesday with you because I had to have
one of the last important scans just to make sure
her development is going well.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
And it is. The one negative in that was that
she's now breach she was not and what does that mean.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
It means that her head should be lower and instead
she's basically seated upright right now.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
So we need her to go back down to where
she was.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
And what happens if she doesn't go.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Back, well, they can try to move her, but if
it could end up in a C section. I see, Okay,
So I said, well, is there anything I can do?
And the doctor said, well, this is pretty normal. You
have about eight weeks left.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
So so she can move around in that time.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
But is there anything I can do to expedite this?
Speaker 7 (09:36):
Right?
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Yeah, I'm a control freak. What can I do?
Speaker 4 (09:40):
And now I've been instructed to do downward dog? Yeah, yoga,
and I'm not a yoga person. Uh so I you know,
google it. So now I'm doing downward dogs.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Describe what that is really like?
Speaker 4 (09:55):
You're on the fours or something, straight legs and you
basically go down.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
And are you on your feet?
Speaker 5 (10:03):
You're an inverted vice.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I see, Okay, I get it.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
You're not on all fours. It's a good it's a
great stretch.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
But anyway, I'm doing it, and I'm not even sure
if I'm doing it right because again I'm not a
yoga person, but I'm talking to where I'm like, okay, move.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
They are about ten thousand YouTube videos down We're dog
just on on every yoga YouTube.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Is a great friend to you.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Yes, and that's where you can watch the Mark Thompson
Show too.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Oh that's true. But we don't do the downward dog
on the Mark Times. Maybe we should, maybe, ye, maybe
we should. Yeah, could open up a whole new audience.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
By the way, if you know any tips to unbreach
my baby, please hit us up on the talk back.
But more importantly, it's Friday. It is flashback Friday. Let
us know what you learned on the Gary and Shannon
Show this week?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Oh, I see, Yeah, that's a typical the question that
is often asked on Fridays.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
They do that at the end of the show.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
So you know where the little microphone is on the
iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, when you're first second, you can press that microphone
and you get thirty seconds too.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Tell us what you learned.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah, yep, that's a dangerous question, I think.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
But all right, I can't wait for the answers.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I'll tell you what I learned. I learned two things
at minimum. First of all, I've learned a bunch of
stuff about having a baby that I never know.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
I'm putting that in a separate category, please do.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I learned that Ember thing in a way that I
never meaning that this Palisades fire literally could have started
from Embers.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
That, oh, from New Year's Day, six days old.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I never really thought that possible. I thought that was
a reach. I didn't really understand how it was at
all lausible. But it is not only plausible, it is likely.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Yeah, they are investigating it, and in fact, the special
Agent in charge with ATF, Jose Medina, he's been out there,
and there's seventy five personnel on the scene investigating the
cause of the Palisades fire. He has He said that
they've received more than one hundred and fifty tips on
the cause and homeowners coming forward with their own video
(12:07):
looking at it from every direction.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
So the investigation continues.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, and then there's so much detail now, and as
you say, it's rich detail because of those things you mentioned,
the video and witness accounts, et cetera. The other thing,
and we'll learn more about the super scoopers and their
actual connection to fighting fires when they're useful, when they're
not as useful, and we'll get to that next. But
I'll tell you now back to the maternity thing. Something
that I learned. I see the way people interact with you,
(12:37):
and it's really kind of interesting. First of all, there
is a definite female to female connection. I've noticed, Like,
you don't see guys coming in here talking to me.
We don't have that connection that you guys have. Like
when Deborah Mark comes in, Deborah Mark relates you. Now,
I understand you guys are friends.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Yeah, we're friends, we hang out outside of.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Here, but there's another level. I mean, you can just
see that you know, there's a shorthand or emotional connection
that and I'm wondering to what extent as a pregnant
woman again, people sort of feel like they like the
door is more open to an emotional connection maybe, so, yeah,
you have noticed it?
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Well, no, I think people now that I've started to
really pop and show it's how do you ignore it?
Although when I came in here this week, Amy King
didn't say anything, and you know, that's obviously fine, you
don't have to mention it at all. But she made
a point the other day and Amy, can you know,
comment on this? When she takes over for the news,
she says, I wasn't sure if you were pregnant or
(13:37):
and you're never supposed to ask, exactly, never supposed to ask.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, it's true, but you really are. You know, you're
a person. I'm small, exactly. It's a teeny teeny, tiny
little bump. It's adorable. Yes, that's what I mean. I
love to hear Deborra talk about you. It's like a
like a sister talking about another.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Even tinier no woman, Yes, I love Marla.
Speaker 8 (13:59):
She knows that, and I love you too, And she
is so cute and tiny and adorable. And I shared
with her that when I was pregnant, both times I
gained so much weight.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
I look disgusting. I was a roly Polly.
Speaker 8 (14:11):
And here's Marla with this teeny tiny little basketball in
front of her and her face nothing, nothing is swollen.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Two kinds.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
It does defy logic. You'd think that you would at
some point you're going to blow up? Here are you
waiting for? That?
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Is that maybe this is kind of a it's a
countdown to blow up.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
No, she's not going to No, see, I still have
still running.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
There's nothing wrong with it. I mean you've got to
put the weight on for the baby. Yeah, I mean
it's not a you're allowed. So anyway, it's so cool
to spend a week with you and get a little
bit of this maternity energy. So very very cool. So
we were talking yesterday about this Super Scooper question. You know,
why California leases them instead of buying them.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
They're really in short supply worldwide.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
There's only one hundred and sixty I think.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
That was the number they're worldwide.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
And we gave you a bunch of information and we
were looking at how much they cost, and you know,
again kind of doing the arithmetic here and discussing their
value in fighting fires. So after the show, we got
a call from retired La County Fire Captain Stephen Kreeker,
and you've heard his voice maybe on KFI. He's been
really helpful during the fires. And Stephen laid it all out,
(15:21):
all the specifics, and he joins us, Now, hello.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
There, captain, Hey Mark, how you doing all right?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
So I appreciated all of the specifics you had around
these super Scoopers.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Can you share some of that? Yes?
Speaker 6 (15:37):
Yeah, Currently, Los Angeles County Fire Department, not the state,
contracts with the super Scoopers with the Providence of Quebec
and they do a five year contract for five ninety
day leases. The last one was about little over forty
million dollars for five year contract and the new contract
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is a little higher than that, plus about eleven hundred
dollars an hour to fly those superscoopers. They get them
usually around the first of September and they're a ninety
day contract and part of the reason of that is
that's when they're needed the most because the coastal region
stays fairly wet until the yet sant Ana wins, so
Malibu Palisades. The brush still maintains moisture from your May
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gray and June gloom. But then when you get Santa Wins,
then it's ready to burn and you have superscoopers get
water out of the ocean and work on that. The
rest of the year. You really don't need them because
the helicopters can handle the job. So you're talking about
eight million a year for a ninety day contract on
the super Scoopers, and what they've done this year, they've
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extended that contract because we haven't had rain. Normal years,
you get rain by the end of November. So what
they can do the superski can do they can drop
water and that's pretty much. Yet they don't fly at night,
they can't transport to personnel or equipment. Can only drop
water and they get water from the ocean, from Castaic Lake,
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from Santa Fe Dam, from Putting Stone Dam out in
San Dimas. But that's all they can do. If you
were to buy a Super Scooper. Since the Havelin Company
took over from Bombardier for making making them, there's a
lull there for a while where they weren't making them.
They're forty million dollars apiece. So if you were to
buy buy two of them rather than lease them, you'd
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be looking at eighty million dollars plus maintenance of up
to four million a year just on the maintenance. Just
like they did when they found them that drone strike.
They as soon as they done, they're done flying. A
mechanic checks things out, completely goes through it because it's
you know, it's very dangerous situation with those, So they
have a place, they're part of the toolbox. But the
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La County part Apartment has ten the helicopters. They also
have the contract helicopter in conjunction with Edison, the big Chinook,
the Worthy Bird type helicopter, and those are very effective
you know, during the rest of the year. The super
scoopers are most effective at this time of the year
when you have Santa Ana wins on the ocean. But
they do help out in the you know, in the
Santa Clarita area and out in the east San Gabriel Valley.
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But you know, helicopters, like the Ela County is buying
the new helicopters on the border Jamda recently for eighteen
million dollars. They can fly at night, they can drop
water they can transport hand crews. They can transport trauma
patients because they fly with a pilot and two firefighter paramedics.
They can take a doctor from the county hospital over
to the Harperbary Chamber at Catalina Island over the Isthmus.
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They can do water rescues like we see them in
the winter time with the guy hanging from the cable
and rescuing somebody out of the flood channel. They can
do mountain rescues, transport personnel when there's an earthquake. Super
scoopers can't do that. So the super scoopers have their place,
and to save money, it's economically feasible to use them
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during the September through November time period, but the rest
of the year they just be sitting.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Yeah, okay, so questions it makes I mean, you let
out the great argument as to why we wouldn't buy them,
and we just do these ninety day leases. It doesn't
literally make sense.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
But what about the idea.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
And I understand that you said that these are the
months that we need them the most, but the idea
that wildfire season is nearly year round here now and
we haven't had rain since May of twenty twenty four,
there's go ahead.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
Yeah, that's true. But during the during the other months,
the fires are not so intense that you can't handle
them with the hilicopter, especially with this quick reaction for us,
with the Edison Company and the copters that Orange County
and Ventura County have, I think they can pretty much
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handle stuff. It's just when we have these intense wins,
the Santa Ana win that you read the extra help
and getting the extra resources. But it's just part of
a toolbox, and it's just a matter of balancing the
cost of those tools with the effectiveness and when they're
needed the most brilliant.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
I just all of a sudden understand how it makes
sense to you.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Yesterday we were kind of perplexed by the whole thing. Yeah,
but you laid it out perfectly.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Stephen Krager, retired La County Fire Captain. A while, thank you.
I appreciate all the info.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
And I let me tell you a little something else.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
We have time.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
They're talking about the hydrants, fire hydrants and fire hydrant testing.
The La County part Upartment tests every fire hydrant in
there each district once a year, but they don't know
how much water is available in that hydrant, They check
the spreads to make sure they're not damaged. They put
a cap on the hydrant with about a quarter inch
hole drilled in it, and turn on the hydrant, just
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to make sure there's water. Anything beyond that is the
water company's responsibility about the amount of water in a
normal residential type area. The fire hydrants are supposed to
be able to supply thousand gallons a minute of water
for two hours, but I think that you need to
start looking at that in the brush area to have
more water available when you have multiple homes burning, because
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the current standards for fire hydrant of the availability and
waterflow is based on just one or two houses burning.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Not Yeah, well, when you have this kind of inferno
though it would have and you have that sort of demand,
I mean, wouldn't you agree. I mean, it was just
it was overmatching whatever resources you could have had, even
if you'd upgraded those resources modestly.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
You're right, But also we don't we don't know yet
is those three water tanks a million yon water tanks,
were they being resupplied, were the pumps working or were
they shut down because of lack of electricity. Most water
systems have backup supply either diesel or propane to run
pumps to keep those reservoirs full. And that happened to
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the brad fire back in nineteen eighty and where the
reservoirs went dry and all of a sudden there was
no more water and fire engines were getting water out
of swimming pools because the reservoirs the hydrants were dry.
So this is not something that hasn't happened before, and
we should learn from the past problems and correct make correction.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Sure, absolutely, I'm and I think a lot of these
questions that you've asked appropriately will be answered this after
action reports and there's a lot that's been laid bare
here and changes and upgrades have to happen. Please stay
in touch with us, Stephenkreeger. You're a great, great resource
for us, and we appreciate it so much.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
All right, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, of course, retired to La County Fire Captain Stephen Kreeger, Well,
thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
A lot there.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Mark Thompson with marlottais Marlo of course from Fox eleven
is that five o'clock news, then at eleven o'clock news.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Don't forget about the six and the ten.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
You do that, But aren't you on five and eleven
or what are you on? I thought you were on
five and eleven.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
I'm on I'm on six and eleven, but six and eleven, yes, the.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Short answer is those are those are my assigned newscasts.
But for instance, you know Christine was on vacations. So
then I'll do five, six, ten, and eleven. I see
Elis is gone because he's at the inauguration.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
By the way, join us next hour.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
He'll join us next hour to talk about Monday.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
So I'm working a lot and eleven.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Making the pregnant mama work.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
It's right, baby gosh bringing home the bacon for BG
show Girl.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
I was at Fox eleven.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
It was one show, the ten o'clock news, and then
when Fox bought Channel thirteen, it was a merger, like
just like Channel two bought Channel nine for Kekel. Yeah,
so those two came because it was a it's a
duopoly they call it, and so on the Fox side,
all of a sudden, I found myself doing the Channel
(23:55):
thirteen news also.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
So we are will simul cast.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
We simulcast the five o'clock newscast and the eleven o'clock newscast.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
On Channel thirteen and Channel eleven.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Yes, and we now like to call Channel thirteen Fox
eleven plus.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Oh is that what they call it?
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Uh huh, that's great. Well, it's it's wild. Yes, you
guys are working pretty hard. We're yes, we're doing our best.
So yeah, check it. Check us out on Fox eleven.
You can also stream us foxhela dot com.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
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So when I was at Fox eleven, the streamers were
just coming, they were just beginning, and they were kind
of in a position I talked to the general manager
of the station at the time of resenting the plugging
and mentioning of the streaming because it took away numbers
from the viewers who are watching in you know, analog,
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the non digital way to take it in like on
your TV. Okay, Now, streaming is such an important part
of the revenue stream that they plug the streaming. But
we really didn't plug it too much at the beginning.
By the time I was leaving, it was becoming more
a thing.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Right, and now you have your show on YouTube of
course a streamer. Yeah, how times have changed, but you
know we still have the Nielsen ratings. Yeah, that hasn't changed.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
But but the Niels and ratings are flawed incredibly.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
I could go, well, they were flawed then and now
they're flawed now in that there are people who watch
us online.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Then that doesn't count.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yeah, it's Nielsen, sadly is the only for you guys,
is the only game in town when it comes to ratings.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
But they're completely ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Rudy Giuliani has settled with the Georgia women. They won
that one hundred and forty eight million dollar defamation judgment
against him. He is stonewalleded all the way. As you know,
he had dug his heels in on surrendering a lot
of his valuables. Everything associated with Juliani's life was on
the table to be liquidated and to satisfy this judgment
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of one hundred and forty million dollars.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Yeah, but he gets to keep his upper east side
apartment in his condo in Palm Beach, Florida, as well
as quote all of his personal belongings.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Well, you know, he had all these collectibles, you had
the like the Yankees, well series ring and all this
sort of thing. Now you remember that these two women,
Ruby Freeman and Shane Moss.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
They were mother daughter.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Yeah, former election workers in Georgia. They won this defamation
judgment in twenty twenty three. It was a jury trial,
and Juliani he was relentless in accusing them of election fraud.
After the twenty twenty election, I mean they had to move.
There were threats on their lives, and this is a
very They were seriously traumatized, and a jury agreed with that.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Yeah, they said that the past four years have been
a living nightmare. We have fought to clear our names,
restore our reputations, and prove that we did nothing wrong. Today,
they say, is a major milestone in our journey. We
have reached an agreement and we can now move forward
with our lives.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Well, you know, because they were having to ascend, you know,
dynamite his holdings to get him free of him. I
mean you couldn't. He was not letting go of anything.
They had to legally dynamite everything you had. For example,
he had this collectible vintage Mercedes Benz convertible. He had
all that sports memorabile, you know, the watches, et cetera.
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Giuliani lived large, and so the only way you could
get it was with repeated court judgments. Which they got,
but it was taking time. So now this settlement allows
Giuliani to hang on to some of that stuff we
just mentioned, and also for the two women to get
some of that settlement of one hundred and forty eight million.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Well, I love this, plus a promise to never again
defame them.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, that's that's huge. It's absolutely huge because Giuliani just
couldn't shut up and now he's he's paid the price.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
But we still don't know the specifics.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah, you're not gonna know it. That's one of those
things on these settlements you'll never know. So Swamp watches next.
It includes a TikTok ban. It also includes some inauguration news.
Alex Michaelson, your colleague, joins us next hour as well.
We'll talk some politics and news from the Swamp as
we continue. Gary and Shannon Show, Mark and Marl is
sitting in on KFI AM six forty live everywhere on
(28:12):
the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
You've been listening to the Gary and Shannon Show.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
You can always hear us live on KFI AM six
forty nine am to one pm every Monday through Friday,
and anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Gary and Shannon return Monday. Mark Thompson here with Marla
Tayas and Jeremy Lee is an independent freelance journalist with
both NBCLA and ABC in Hawaii.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
And Hawaii is.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Important because the Lehina fire, of course, in twenty twenty three,
is something that Jeremy witnessed and covered and now here
in Los Angeles he's witnessing the fires here and seeing
eerie similarities.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Hi Jeremy, Hi, thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Of course, yes, we had you on earlier this week
and we wanted you to come back to continue the conversation.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
Jeremy.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Last hour, we talked about the rebuilding process here in
Los Angeles and how long that could take, and of
course this all starts with the cleanup process. We are
about a year and a half since the Leahina devastation.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
There can you talk about that?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Has the rebuilding begun in Lahina a year and a
half later? How long does it take to clear all
this debris?
Speaker 6 (01:06):
Well, there was a.
Speaker 7 (01:07):
Fairly long mitigation process and the people of Lahina were
warned about that early on that it could take years
before recovery was well underway. And so when we got
into the burn zone and it's been that access has
been very different. And I talked about that last time
that California law make sure that we as the press
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have access, but we were not allowed access to the
burn zone in Lahina after day five, I think or
day four. Even there they had shut down the highway.
People couldn't get there. There was a lot more tension
and control of this scene in Hawaii. But as far
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as the process goes, there was a timeline that was
laid out in regards to the mitigation, to removal of
toxic debris, to you know, the the land with a
substance that the tax substance that's used as well.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
And it's a long, long process for those who have
lost their hopes.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
We're talking along the last hour in the rebuilding conversation
about the way that infrastructure has to be rebuilt. It's
not just these structures, not just the businesses and residences.
And I'm wondering if you could speak to that, because
I mean, plumbing, electrical, all this stuff is sort of
the fundamentals before you can even build in some of
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these other things.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Right, And by day six, day seven, day eight, in
both Lahaina and here on PCH, I saw the same thing,
which was lines and lines of utility.
Speaker 7 (02:44):
Trucks that were at work. There was debris removal. Those
down power lines that I was photographing on day two,
day three, all of a sudden aren't there on day four.
So there is progress that is being made and very
rapid deployment when it comes to addressing this. And I
(03:04):
saw about in both cases that in both situations it
was known that yes, up, getting infrastructure restored is definitely
step one.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
So you've been out there on the front lines.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
We didn't have a briefing today, which is good news
because that means that there's not a whole lot to update.
In other words, there's been little to zero growth on
both the palisades that eating fires and containment is up
on both, Thank goodness.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
What have you seen in the last couple of days.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
What are you hearing from the homeowners who've lost homes,
the first responders on scene.
Speaker 7 (03:41):
Well, certainly you know that forward progress has been stopped
is a huge relief. Now, keep in mind there are
people who do not leave. There are people who wrote
it out that I have met with, both in Palisades
and Malibu, and if they do leave, they can't get back,
so they are essentially continuing to stay. And I went
(04:01):
back yesterday and interviewed both. These are people who I'm
interviewing for a story, and the interview subjects, both in
Malibu and in the Palisades, said they're not going to leave.
They're not going to because they've come this far. But
I can't imagine, you know, months on end living in
that situation where you don't have you know, running water,
(04:23):
you don't have electricity. It'll be interesting to see as
I continue to follow that I did realize.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
So there's literally people who just said, I'm in an
evacuation zone. All these days later, I've been here, I
have no power, I'm going to make it work, and
they're still there and they will continue to be there.
They can't go to the store, for instance, and come
back home because they won't be allowed back in right.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Correct.
Speaker 7 (04:46):
So it's people like me or you know, firefighters that
are dropping in to say hi to them, you know,
that are making contact and sometimes you know, I brought
a fellow some masks. He was out of respirator masks,
and he had spent of course January sum of eighteen
hours battling the blaze, he says, And he showed me
(05:07):
how he saved three of his neighbors' homes and his home.
But he wasn't worried of burning, but he was definitely
worried of the smoke Inhalaysia about his lungs, and so
he needed new masks.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
I dropped those off yesterday.
Speaker 7 (05:21):
You know, sometimes people haven't had hot food in a
couple of days. And these are really interesting interview subjects
that I've been speaking to over the last several days
to know them and hear their story. You know, there's
one couple that's in their seventies that wrote it out
and they had their scuba year ready next to their
(05:43):
swimming pool that if they were compromised, they were going
to go underwater. It's really unbelievable. But there's also it's
not just you know, being a daredevil. There's also a
process to this, whereby these are people who are harding
their homes sure that their vents are not vulnerable, that
ember's are not going to get in. They are that
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they have defensible space that the area around them brushes,
you know, cut low, and they have distance and so forth.
So these aren't people who are just like I guess
I'll write it out. These they have, you know, in
some case, has taken courses. One guy had a full on,
you know, fire hose set up in his backyard, buckets ready,
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a swimming pool nearby or a hot tub where they
can get water once they predictably would eventually run out
of water pressure. Which so these are folks who have
anticipated these things. One was a mother and son duo,
and the son told me there's a story I've been
working on. He wanted to do it because his father
did it. His father saved the house in nineteen ninety
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three and recently was hospitalized, and so he wanted to stay.
And so he's still there with his mother. And I
just visited the yesterday.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Wow, what compelling stories.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Les extraordinary, absolutely extraordinary, And your experience at Lahina now
brought to this situation here in Los Angeles. It just
it kind of puts everything I think in terms of
your stories in some kind of context.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
That's quite unique. Great to talk to you, Jeremy Lee.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
That's why we wanted to have you back, and we
look forward to more of your reporting.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Thank you, thank you, Jeremy.
Speaker 7 (07:23):
Said, USA, thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
She is Marla, I am Mark, and it is our
last show. Kind of finishing out the week. We talked
a lot about the fires. Of course, they were raging
when we started this week, and now they seem to
be obviously with the change in wins and things calming,
they seem to be under control, though you know, not
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completely out.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Yeah, containment up Palisades fire.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
You've heard from Amy King thirty one percent eaten sixty
five percent no new growth, So Eaton is just over
fourteen thousand acres Palisades twenty three seven hundred plus acres.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
How is the baby today?
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Baby has been pretty quiet today. Yesterday, all yesterday she
was very active.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, at one point, I'll tell you this and tell
everybody this together, Marla said, you know, can you see
she's kicking?
Speaker 3 (08:20):
She's like moving in here.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
And I looked over and I really couldn't see. And
I resisted the thing that I think women probably don't like.
Everybody sort of feels like they have license to put
their hands on belly.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah, but I just didn't want to do that, but that's.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
An interesting thing that has happened a couple of times
where strangers have just come up and just put their
hands on my belly.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
I'm not sure how to how to rear.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I mean, it's so odd saying that people seem seem
to feel like it's open season on touching another person
without permission.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
And you know what I mentioned earlier that I wasn't
here on Tuesday with you because I had to have
one of the last important scans just to make sure
her development is going well.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
And it is. The one negative in that was that
she's now breach she was not and what does that mean.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
It means that her head should be lower and instead
she's basically seated upright right now.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
So we need her to go back down to where
she was.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
And what happens if she doesn't go.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Back, well, they can try to move her, but if
it could end up in a C section. I see, Okay,
So I said, well, is there anything I can do?
And the doctor said, well, this is pretty normal. You
have about eight weeks left.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
So so she can move around in that time.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
But is there anything I can do to expedite this?
Speaker 7 (09:36):
Right?
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Yeah, I'm a control freak. What can I do?
Speaker 4 (09:40):
And now I've been instructed to do downward dog? Yeah, yoga,
and I'm not a yoga person. Uh so I you know,
google it. So now I'm doing downward dogs.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Describe what that is really like?
Speaker 4 (09:55):
You're on the fours or something, straight legs and you
basically go down.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
And are you on your feet?
Speaker 5 (10:03):
You're an inverted vice.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I see, Okay, I get it.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
You're not on all fours. It's a good it's a
great stretch.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
But anyway, I'm doing it, and I'm not even sure
if I'm doing it right because again I'm not a
yoga person, but I'm talking to where I'm like, okay, move.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
They are about ten thousand YouTube videos down We're dog
just on on every yoga YouTube.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Is a great friend to you.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Yes, and that's where you can watch the Mark Thompson
Show too.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Oh that's true. But we don't do the downward dog
on the Mark Times. Maybe we should, maybe, ye, maybe
we should. Yeah, could open up a whole new audience.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
By the way, if you know any tips to unbreach
my baby, please hit us up on the talk back.
But more importantly, it's Friday. It is flashback Friday. Let
us know what you learned on the Gary and Shannon
Show this week?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Oh, I see, Yeah, that's a typical the question that
is often asked on Fridays.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
They do that at the end of the show.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
So you know where the little microphone is on the
iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, when you're first second, you can press that microphone
and you get thirty seconds too.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Tell us what you learned.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah, yep, that's a dangerous question, I think.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
But all right, I can't wait for the answers.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I'll tell you what I learned. I learned two things
at minimum. First of all, I've learned a bunch of
stuff about having a baby that I never know.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
I'm putting that in a separate category, please do.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I learned that Ember thing in a way that I
never meaning that this Palisades fire literally could have started
from Embers.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
That, oh, from New Year's Day, six days old.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I never really thought that possible. I thought that was
a reach. I didn't really understand how it was at
all lausible. But it is not only plausible, it is likely.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Yeah, they are investigating it, and in fact, the special
Agent in charge with ATF, Jose Medina, he's been out there,
and there's seventy five personnel on the scene investigating the
cause of the Palisades fire. He has He said that
they've received more than one hundred and fifty tips on
the cause and homeowners coming forward with their own video
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looking at it from every direction.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
So the investigation continues.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, and then there's so much detail now, and as
you say, it's rich detail because of those things you mentioned,
the video and witness accounts, et cetera. The other thing,
and we'll learn more about the super scoopers and their
actual connection to fighting fires when they're useful, when they're
not as useful, and we'll get to that next. But
I'll tell you now back to the maternity thing. Something
that I learned. I see the way people interact with you,
(12:37):
and it's really kind of interesting. First of all, there
is a definite female to female connection. I've noticed, Like,
you don't see guys coming in here talking to me.
We don't have that connection that you guys have. Like
when Deborah Mark comes in, Deborah Mark relates you. Now,
I understand you guys are friends.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Yeah, we're friends, we hang out outside of.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Here, but there's another level. I mean, you can just
see that you know, there's a shorthand or emotional connection
that and I'm wondering to what extent as a pregnant
woman again, people sort of feel like they like the
door is more open to an emotional connection maybe, so, yeah,
you have noticed it?
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Well, no, I think people now that I've started to
really pop and show it's how do you ignore it?
Although when I came in here this week, Amy King
didn't say anything, and you know, that's obviously fine, you
don't have to mention it at all. But she made
a point the other day and Amy, can you know,
comment on this? When she takes over for the news,
she says, I wasn't sure if you were pregnant or
(13:37):
and you're never supposed to ask, exactly, never supposed to ask.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, it's true, but you really are. You know, you're
a person. I'm small, exactly. It's a teeny teeny, tiny
little bump. It's adorable. Yes, that's what I mean. I
love to hear Deborra talk about you. It's like a
like a sister talking about another.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Even tinier no woman, Yes, I love Marla.
Speaker 8 (13:59):
She knows that, and I love you too, And she
is so cute and tiny and adorable. And I shared
with her that when I was pregnant, both times I
gained so much weight.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
I look disgusting. I was a roly Polly.
Speaker 8 (14:11):
And here's Marla with this teeny tiny little basketball in
front of her and her face nothing, nothing is swollen.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Two kinds.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
It does defy logic. You'd think that you would at
some point you're going to blow up? Here are you
waiting for? That?
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Is that maybe this is kind of a it's a
countdown to blow up.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
No, she's not going to No, see, I still have
still running.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
There's nothing wrong with it. I mean you've got to
put the weight on for the baby. Yeah, I mean
it's not a you're allowed. So anyway, it's so cool
to spend a week with you and get a little
bit of this maternity energy. So very very cool. So
we were talking yesterday about this Super Scooper question. You know,
why California leases them instead of buying them.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
They're really in short supply worldwide.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
There's only one hundred and sixty I think.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
That was the number they're worldwide.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
And we gave you a bunch of information and we
were looking at how much they cost, and you know,
again kind of doing the arithmetic here and discussing their
value in fighting fires. So after the show, we got
a call from retired La County Fire Captain Stephen Kreeker,
and you've heard his voice maybe on KFI. He's been
really helpful during the fires. And Stephen laid it all out,
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all the specifics, and he joins us, Now, hello.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
There, captain, Hey Mark, how you doing all right?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
So I appreciated all of the specifics you had around
these super Scoopers.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Can you share some of that? Yes?
Speaker 6 (15:37):
Yeah, Currently, Los Angeles County Fire Department, not the state,
contracts with the super Scoopers with the Providence of Quebec
and they do a five year contract for five ninety
day leases. The last one was about little over forty
million dollars for five year contract and the new contract
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is a little higher than that, plus about eleven hundred
dollars an hour to fly those superscoopers. They get them
usually around the first of September and they're a ninety
day contract and part of the reason of that is
that's when they're needed the most because the coastal region
stays fairly wet until the yet sant Ana wins, so
Malibu Palisades. The brush still maintains moisture from your May
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gray and June gloom. But then when you get Santa Wins,
then it's ready to burn and you have superscoopers get
water out of the ocean and work on that. The
rest of the year. You really don't need them because
the helicopters can handle the job. So you're talking about
eight million a year for a ninety day contract on
the super Scoopers, and what they've done this year, they've
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extended that contract because we haven't had rain. Normal years,
you get rain by the end of November. So what
they can do the superski can do they can drop
water and that's pretty much. Yet they don't fly at night,
they can't transport to personnel or equipment. Can only drop
water and they get water from the ocean, from Castaic Lake,
(17:04):
from Santa Fe Dam, from Putting Stone Dam out in
San Dimas. But that's all they can do. If you
were to buy a Super Scooper. Since the Havelin Company
took over from Bombardier for making making them, there's a
lull there for a while where they weren't making them.
They're forty million dollars apiece. So if you were to
buy buy two of them rather than lease them, you'd
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be looking at eighty million dollars plus maintenance of up
to four million a year just on the maintenance. Just
like they did when they found them that drone strike.
They as soon as they done, they're done flying. A
mechanic checks things out, completely goes through it because it's
you know, it's very dangerous situation with those, So they
have a place, they're part of the toolbox. But the
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La County part Apartment has ten the helicopters. They also
have the contract helicopter in conjunction with Edison, the big Chinook,
the Worthy Bird type helicopter, and those are very effective
you know, during the rest of the year. The super
scoopers are most effective at this time of the year
when you have Santa Ana wins on the ocean. But
they do help out in the you know, in the
Santa Clarita area and out in the east San Gabriel Valley.
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But you know, helicopters, like the Ela County is buying
the new helicopters on the border Jamda recently for eighteen
million dollars. They can fly at night, they can drop
water they can transport hand crews. They can transport trauma
patients because they fly with a pilot and two firefighter paramedics.
They can take a doctor from the county hospital over
to the Harperbary Chamber at Catalina Island over the Isthmus.
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They can do water rescues like we see them in
the winter time with the guy hanging from the cable
and rescuing somebody out of the flood channel. They can
do mountain rescues, transport personnel when there's an earthquake. Super
scoopers can't do that. So the super scoopers have their place,
and to save money, it's economically feasible to use them
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during the September through November time period, but the rest
of the year they just be sitting.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Yeah, okay, so questions it makes I mean, you let
out the great argument as to why we wouldn't buy them,
and we just do these ninety day leases. It doesn't
literally make sense.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
But what about the idea.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
And I understand that you said that these are the
months that we need them the most, but the idea
that wildfire season is nearly year round here now and
we haven't had rain since May of twenty twenty four,
there's go ahead.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
Yeah, that's true. But during the during the other months,
the fires are not so intense that you can't handle
them with the hilicopter, especially with this quick reaction for us,
with the Edison Company and the copters that Orange County
and Ventura County have, I think they can pretty much
(19:55):
handle stuff. It's just when we have these intense wins,
the Santa Ana win that you read the extra help
and getting the extra resources. But it's just part of
a toolbox, and it's just a matter of balancing the
cost of those tools with the effectiveness and when they're
needed the most brilliant.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
I just all of a sudden understand how it makes
sense to you.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Yesterday we were kind of perplexed by the whole thing. Yeah,
but you laid it out perfectly.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Stephen Krager, retired La County Fire Captain. A while, thank you.
I appreciate all the info.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
And I let me tell you a little something else.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
We have time.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
They're talking about the hydrants, fire hydrants and fire hydrant testing.
The La County part Upartment tests every fire hydrant in
there each district once a year, but they don't know
how much water is available in that hydrant, They check
the spreads to make sure they're not damaged. They put
a cap on the hydrant with about a quarter inch
hole drilled in it, and turn on the hydrant, just
(20:53):
to make sure there's water. Anything beyond that is the
water company's responsibility about the amount of water in a
normal residential type area. The fire hydrants are supposed to
be able to supply thousand gallons a minute of water
for two hours, but I think that you need to
start looking at that in the brush area to have
more water available when you have multiple homes burning, because
(21:15):
the current standards for fire hydrant of the availability and
waterflow is based on just one or two houses burning.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Not Yeah, well, when you have this kind of inferno
though it would have and you have that sort of demand,
I mean, wouldn't you agree. I mean, it was just
it was overmatching whatever resources you could have had, even
if you'd upgraded those resources modestly.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
You're right, But also we don't we don't know yet
is those three water tanks a million yon water tanks,
were they being resupplied, were the pumps working or were
they shut down because of lack of electricity. Most water
systems have backup supply either diesel or propane to run
pumps to keep those reservoirs full. And that happened to
(21:59):
the brad fire back in nineteen eighty and where the
reservoirs went dry and all of a sudden there was
no more water and fire engines were getting water out
of swimming pools because the reservoirs the hydrants were dry.
So this is not something that hasn't happened before, and
we should learn from the past problems and correct make correction.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Sure, absolutely, I'm and I think a lot of these
questions that you've asked appropriately will be answered this after
action reports and there's a lot that's been laid bare
here and changes and upgrades have to happen. Please stay
in touch with us, Stephenkreeger. You're a great, great resource
for us, and we appreciate it so much.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
All right, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, of course, retired to La County Fire Captain Stephen Kreeger, Well,
thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
A lot there.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Mark Thompson with marlottais Marlo of course from Fox eleven
is that five o'clock news, then at eleven o'clock news.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Don't forget about the six and the ten.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
You do that, But aren't you on five and eleven
or what are you on? I thought you were on
five and eleven.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
I'm on I'm on six and eleven, but six and eleven, yes, the.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Short answer is those are those are my assigned newscasts.
But for instance, you know Christine was on vacations. So
then I'll do five, six, ten, and eleven. I see
Elis is gone because he's at the inauguration.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
By the way, join us next hour.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
He'll join us next hour to talk about Monday.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
So I'm working a lot and eleven.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Making the pregnant mama work.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
It's right, baby gosh bringing home the bacon for BG
show Girl.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
I was at Fox eleven.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
It was one show, the ten o'clock news, and then
when Fox bought Channel thirteen, it was a merger, like
just like Channel two bought Channel nine for Kekel. Yeah,
so those two came because it was a it's a
duopoly they call it, and so on the Fox side,
all of a sudden, I found myself doing the Channel
(23:55):
thirteen news also.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
So we are will simul cast.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
We simulcast the five o'clock newscast and the eleven o'clock newscast.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
On Channel thirteen and Channel eleven.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Yes, and we now like to call Channel thirteen Fox
eleven plus.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Oh is that what they call it?
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Uh huh, that's great. Well, it's it's wild. Yes, you
guys are working pretty hard. We're yes, we're doing our best.
So yeah, check it. Check us out on Fox eleven.
You can also stream us foxhela dot com.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
Save.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
So when I was at Fox eleven, the streamers were
just coming, they were just beginning, and they were kind
of in a position I talked to the general manager
of the station at the time of resenting the plugging
and mentioning of the streaming because it took away numbers
from the viewers who are watching in you know, analog,
(24:48):
the non digital way to take it in like on
your TV. Okay, Now, streaming is such an important part
of the revenue stream that they plug the streaming. But
we really didn't plug it too much at the beginning.
By the time I was leaving, it was becoming more
a thing.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Right, and now you have your show on YouTube of
course a streamer. Yeah, how times have changed, but you
know we still have the Nielsen ratings. Yeah, that hasn't changed.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
But but the Niels and ratings are flawed incredibly.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
I could go, well, they were flawed then and now
they're flawed now in that there are people who watch
us online.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Then that doesn't count.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yeah, it's Nielsen, sadly is the only for you guys,
is the only game in town when it comes to ratings.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
But they're completely ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Rudy Giuliani has settled with the Georgia women. They won
that one hundred and forty eight million dollar defamation judgment
against him. He is stonewalleded all the way. As you know,
he had dug his heels in on surrendering a lot
of his valuables. Everything associated with Juliani's life was on
the table to be liquidated and to satisfy this judgment
(25:59):
of one hundred and forty million dollars.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Yeah, but he gets to keep his upper east side
apartment in his condo in Palm Beach, Florida, as well
as quote all of his personal belongings.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Well, you know, he had all these collectibles, you had
the like the Yankees, well series ring and all this
sort of thing. Now you remember that these two women,
Ruby Freeman and Shane Moss.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
They were mother daughter.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Yeah, former election workers in Georgia. They won this defamation
judgment in twenty twenty three. It was a jury trial,
and Juliani he was relentless in accusing them of election fraud.
After the twenty twenty election, I mean they had to move.
There were threats on their lives, and this is a
very They were seriously traumatized, and a jury agreed with that.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Yeah, they said that the past four years have been
a living nightmare. We have fought to clear our names,
restore our reputations, and prove that we did nothing wrong. Today,
they say, is a major milestone in our journey. We
have reached an agreement and we can now move forward
with our lives.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Well, you know, because they were having to ascend, you know,
dynamite his holdings to get him free of him. I
mean you couldn't. He was not letting go of anything.
They had to legally dynamite everything you had. For example,
he had this collectible vintage Mercedes Benz convertible. He had
all that sports memorabile, you know, the watches, et cetera.
(27:19):
Giuliani lived large, and so the only way you could
get it was with repeated court judgments. Which they got,
but it was taking time. So now this settlement allows
Giuliani to hang on to some of that stuff we
just mentioned, and also for the two women to get
some of that settlement of one hundred and forty eight million.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Well, I love this, plus a promise to never again
defame them.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, that's that's huge. It's absolutely huge because Giuliani just
couldn't shut up and now he's he's paid the price.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
But we still don't know the specifics.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah, you're not gonna know it. That's one of those
things on these settlements you'll never know. So Swamp watches next.
It includes a TikTok ban. It also includes some inauguration news.
Alex Michaelson, your colleague, joins us next hour as well.
We'll talk some politics and news from the Swamp as
we continue. Gary and Shannon Show, Mark and Marl is
sitting in on KFI AM six forty live everywhere on
(28:12):
the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
You've been listening to the Gary and Shannon Show.
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