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April 26, 2026 29 mins

Dean walks you through his ten steps for finding the right contractor, then opens the phone lines to answer listeners’ burning questions. Topics include re-piping, the pros of pea-gravel hardscapes, weatherproof cabinets, spider-cracking concerns, solutions for a wavy roof, and the use (and cautions) of muriatic acid for treating roots.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Kf I AM six forty. You're listening to Dean Sharp
the House Whisper on demand on the iHeart radio app
Stick Around. We are moving through ten steps to finding
the right contractor for you. Right now, we're in mid show,
so we are going to the phones, but we'll be
returning to that list, So go nowhere. All right, it

(00:21):
is time to go to the phones, and we got
plenty of calls to choose from. Let's just start off
with Lydia, Hey, Lydia, welcome home.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yes, good morning, Dean. I have a question. We have
a property right now that we're wanting to retype. It's
the original, what is it guminized? And I've been I've
had three plumbers come out, and one of them told
me I should replace the toilets. There is which I've

(00:53):
never seen before, a lot of settlement or sediment on
the bottom of the toilet. When I first looked at
it and thought, oh my gosh, it looks like somebody
poured concrete and down there. Anyhow do you think that
I need to replace the toilets or are they are
they just trying to upseil me. I just don't want

(01:16):
to need to replace, don't want to replace anything, then
I don't necessarily have to. But if it's going to
be affected, the function of it is going to be affected.
I don't know what all is entailed. And you know,
a toilet and also the water heater. So do you
think I guess I need to replace those items?

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Okay, good questions. I'm glad you called. Okay, So, how
are the toilets flushing?

Speaker 2 (01:41):
By the way they're flushing? Fine, Okay, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
That's all I need to know. You don't have to
replace something, Okay, you know, I don't really. Here's the thing.
If if from some esthetic point of view, you look
down there and you're like, I don't like all that
stuff that's built up on the bottom of my toilet
bowl down there in the little drain and so, and

(02:07):
we've tried cleaning it and it won't come off, and
I just don't like the way it looks. Yeah, fine,
and then you know, set aside some money and choose
to replace that toilet. But just because it has some
stuff down there clung to the porcelain at the bottom
of the bowl does not mean that it's not letting

(02:29):
water flow through it properly.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
I mean, if there's build up in there, and it's
affecting the way the toilet functions. You would know that. Okay,
some plumber walking into your house for the first time
is not going to know that and is just going
to make an assumption.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
I don't live in the home, so I wouldn't know.
I do know when I go, when I've been in there.
We just had tenant sleeves. So I go and I flush,
and it seems fine, and of course it looks terrible,
which I will. You need to clean it and try help,
just try to be how far I can get with that.
But yeah, I'm more than anything to find.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
And then also the water heater.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah yeah, yeah, all right, so yeah, yeah, let me
just let me just finish up on the toilet for
you and then all jump to the water heater. Uh.
So the yeah, when it comes to the toilet, if
it's functioning, if you haven't heard complaints from your tenant, uh,
then you know, turn off the water supply to the toilet,
flush it a couple of times so that the bowl
goes empty, and then get in there and see how

(03:31):
much you can scrub it out and get it clean looking,
and it again the toilet itself. There is nothing magical
inside a toilet that. There are very few toilets, very
few in the world that need replacement just because they're old. Okay. Now,

(03:51):
stuff inside the tank, the flapper, the valve inside the tank,
the filler. Yeah, from time to time, those things get
changed out. That's like fifteen bucks worth of stuff you
can get at the hardware store and change out in
a few minutes inside the tank of a toilet. And
sometimes somebody bumps a toilet or it cracks or you
know whatever. But the point is, if it's working, then

(04:13):
it's just an aesthetic call on your part. Now, the
water heater. How old is the water heater?

Speaker 2 (04:19):
It is probably eight to nine years.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Old, okay. And it's a regular tanked water heater. Yes, okay,
So an eight to nine year old water heater. I
don't know how the maintenance has gone on the water heater, Like,
has somebody flushed the water heater every year that you've
lived there, every two or three years or never ever?

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Never ever?

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Okay, So you know what I mean. A ten year
old water heater, it's kind of approaching its its upper end. Again,
if you're not hearing any weird noises out of it,
and it's not leaking and it's still heating water, then
there's still a strong argument for maybe just get this
thing flushed out and see how long we can, you know,

(05:03):
stretch it out. But if somebody's offering you a deal
on a new water heater during the re pipe, yeah,
you know, I might consider that, might consider that because
that is kind of approaching the end of its useful life.
But apart from that, nah, nah.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Okay, great, thank you so much. I just thought, because
I saw what I saw on the toilet, I'm thinking,
oh God, everything must be all clogged up.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
No, No, you would know it. That's the thing. You
would know it. You'd know, you know. If your tenants
would be like, you know that toilet in the bathroom
it's just never flushed things. Never, we have to flush
it four times for something to go down, that would
be like, okay, there's something up here, all right, And
even at that lydia, the chances are it would be
an issue in the drain, not in the toilet proper. Okay,

(05:48):
very very rarely are toilets themselves the problem. They just
happen to be the appliance that's on the end of
the drain.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Okay, so may I ask this is that sentiments? Is
that of is it proof or indication that the there
does need to be a repipe?

Speaker 1 (06:10):
No, it's not proof that there needs to be a repipe.
What it is proof is that you have hard water
and maybe the toilet has not been over the years
cleaned as often as it should have been. And so
those hard water mineral deposits form at the bottom of
the lowest points wherever they get to sit around, and
they bond to the porcelain and they may be hard

(06:32):
to get off. But all it is is an indication
that you have hard water.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Okay, great, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Thank you all right Lydia, thank you for the question,
for the call. That's why we take calls by the way,
because there's a lot of you out there who are like, Aha,
you know what, our toilet's in the same situation. Yeah,
exactly right, all right, love it. More of your calls
when we return. You are Home with Dean Sharp the house.

Speaker 5 (06:59):
Was You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand
from KFI AM six forty.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Time to go to the phone. So let's go back
to the phones. Find out what's going on. I'm going
to talk to Arnold. Hey, Arnold, welcome home.

Speaker 6 (07:15):
Yes, Dean, thank you for taking my call. You have
a wonderful show.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Oh, thank you so much. How can I help you,
my friend?

Speaker 6 (07:23):
Yes, I'm thinking of putting up something in my backyard
that you have in yours. It's a patio that has
the round river rock at the base, so the rain
goes through it. And I was curious when you put
your furniture on the chairs and tables, does it roll
around on those round rocks.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
No, So we're talking about pea gravel. He gravel, that's
what we have as a lot of our pathways and areas,
and no, it does not roll around on it. It
tends to nestle in and just stay put. In fact,
if anybody has a complaint about putting patio furniture on

(08:01):
pea gravel, it's that it's not so easy to slide
your chair back away from wherever you're sitting, just because
you know it's kind of embedded down into the pea gravel.
We're talking about it an inch to two inches of
pea gravel, and so it's not unstable at all. For
patio furniture works really, really well, and so there you go.

(08:22):
There's you know, pros and cons to all sorts of
hard scape and semi permeable hardscape material. But you know,
I love pea gravel for exactly what you've heard me
talk about before. That the fact that it allows water
to pass through it into our property. It reduces our
own watering bill because our soil actually absorbs the moisture

(08:44):
and it feeds the trees and the other plants. And
I just love the zen, you know, sound of walking
on it. And it is such an inexpensive quote unquote
hardescape to do to keep you dry and not muddy
and not messy. And all it requires in return is
a little bit of raking and upkeep.

Speaker 6 (09:05):
Okay, the diameter of the the pea gravel, is it
like a half inch size or a quarter inch size or.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah, more like a quarter inch size. It's it's literally small.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
You know.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
It's called pea gravel because they're the size of peas.

Speaker 6 (09:20):
Gotcha, gotcha, all right, And they're round by.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
The way, there's a lot of there's a lot of
stone out there that that are, you know, a small
size aggregate that people use in their yards. In fact,
I was looking at one earlier this week and they're like, yeah,
we don't really like this stuff so much it hurts
our feet. And it's like, well, you got these jagged
shards of rock. I don't know where you found this stuff,

(09:44):
but this is not pea gravel. Pea gravel is. They're
not perfectly round, but they're rounded. They're smooth edge generally speaking,
to the point where you know, it's not the worst
thing in the world to walk on it in your
bare feet if you had to.

Speaker 6 (09:58):
Gotcha. Okay, another quick question for you, and perhaps sure
real quick. Yeah, I want to put a TV outside
where we could watch it from the pat area. Is
there a pre made weather proof enclosure for these TVs
or to have to hire someone to build something for that?

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (10:19):
No, you know you can find them. You find them online.
You can find them on Amazon, you go out searching
for them. They are weatherproof television cabinets, basically, some of
them have Some of them are fully weatherproof a hundred
I should say fully weather Some of them are are
all time weatherproof, full time weatherproof, meaning that there's actually

(10:43):
their own weather proof screen in front of the TV screen.
I'm not a big fan of that because I don't
really find any reason for me to be sitting out
in the rain watching television in the rain with my
TV being subjected to the rain. But weather proof exterior
television cabinets there are literally hundreds of them out there
that you can find, and I usually recommend those over

(11:07):
buying an actual weather proof television, which is also something
you can find. The difference being weatherproof television. There aren't
many of them. Your selection is very limited, and they're
very expensive. You can imagine actually weather. It's like hanging
an iPhone outside and it's guaranteed to hold up to
all weather without any protection around it. I'd rather you

(11:30):
get whatever kind of big screen TV you want for
outside and then put it inside one of these weatherproof cabinets.

Speaker 6 (11:37):
They work just fine, all right, Thank you very much.
You have a wonderful show.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Thanks Arnold. Thanks for the call, Buddy, appreciate it. Hey,
we got time to get another call going. Let's talk
to David. Hey, David, welcome home.

Speaker 7 (11:53):
Hey, good morning, Gains. I have a good morning regarding
a relatively new build from the ground up. It's three
years old, and I have two questions, if I may,
regarding stucco cracks in your opinion, what width of a

(12:13):
stucco crack should I start being concerned?

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Well, I know, I know, Yeah, what width of stucco
crack do you have?

Speaker 3 (12:27):
I'd say, but somewhere sixteenth to eighth of an inch
in some places, typical areas like corners of windows and doors.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, okay, yeah, that's kind of what I thought was
the case. It's called spider cracking. It's not at all
uncommon and generally no indication that there's anything structural going on.
But David, I want to answer your call more thoroughly,
So you hang tight and we'll pick it up after
the break, so everybody don't know anywhere your Home with

(12:57):
Dean Sharp, the house Whisper.

Speaker 5 (12:59):
You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from
KFI am six forty.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Here to help you transform your ordinary house into an
extraordinary home. And to do that, you know what, You're
going to hire a contractor or contract doors, and today
I am giving you the ten steps to finding the
right one, a very very pertinent subject to so many
of us. We're going to get back to that list
in just a bit. But right now we're at midshow,

(13:26):
which means I'm going to the phones and you are
telling me what the show is about today. I've got
David on the line, or hopefully I still do. David,
you're still with me.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Bud, I do. I'm showing you.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Okay. So David's got relatively new build house two or
three years is that what you said?

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Three years?

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yes, three years, and got some stucco cracking. But the
stucco cracking is happening above the windows and doors, coming
off the corners, the top corners of windows and doors,
and about a sixteenth to an eighth of an inch
wy in some cases. And he just wanted to know
is that serious? How big should things get before I

(14:07):
get concerned? And it's a totally great, legitimate question. And
I would basically say, David, if you see things open
up beyond an eighth of an inch anywhere, then you
know you got to give it a serious look and
just watch it. But eighth to sixteenth right in that area,
or just a visible spider crack, that's all within tolerances

(14:30):
of what we might expect, especially on a newer home.
Stucco goes on in three layers. Hopefully it was done
in the right order. And what I don't mean that
the layers were done in the right order. But I
mean things like when a new build. One of the
most important things that experienced contractor needs to do on
a new build is after we've got all the walls

(14:53):
up and the roof is structured, and now we're wrapping
and drying in the house and we're going to get
stucco started on the house. We don't have to actually
put the roof on. In other words, we don't have
to install all the roofing material in its final state,
but we do have to do what we call loading
the roof, which is we want to get all the

(15:15):
roofing materials that's going up there, and we want to
want to get it set on pallets and spread across
the roof pretty evenly so that the roof is loaded
the weight of the roofing material, because what we don't
want to do is do the stucco but down below

(15:36):
and then put additional weight on the top of the house,
which is going to make things shift and pop and
settle some and then we get unnecessarily too many cracks
in the stucco. That's just that would be a builder
error on that part, and again that's not critical or
damaging ultimately to the house, either in any serious structural way,

(15:57):
but from an esthetic point of view, we want to
load roof and then do the stucco, or do the
stucco after the roof is fully installed. Either way it
doesn't matter. We just want the weight up there so
that the house settles under the weight of the roofing material.
So in your case, I wouldn't worry about those. They're
spider cracks. That's what we essentially categorize them as. You

(16:19):
can wait on them and let them all just kind
of continue to develop, and then next time you paint,
or if you want to just go ahead and they're
bugging you, you know, pump them full of paintable caulk
so that they remain flexible and they don't reappear, and
then you paint over them, and chances are you're not
going to see him back again.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Okay, my next question, let me tell you I had
a horrible builder, even if sub contraction. The only sub
contractor that was good was the electrician, but all the
others it was just garbage. But anyway, another more serious
to me concerned is the roof. It has like two

(17:02):
waves to it. If you look at it more noticeable,
of course if you look across the plane. I suspect
it has to do with lining up the trusses. They
weren't done properly. It is a tile roof, what do
you think?

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Okay, so it's a tile roof, like a Spanish tile roof,
an S tile roof or concrete tile roof. What kind
of tile roof?

Speaker 8 (17:28):
You know?

Speaker 3 (17:28):
I'm not I'm really not sure. I can't answer that.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Okay, all right, So you got a tile roof up there,
and it was a truss roof.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Yes, the tiles are S shaped, you know, they laughter
over each other or your shaped rather Okay, so no, no,
I'm sorry, I take that back. I'm sorry, I take
that back. They're flat. I was thinking of another house.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Oh too many houses that you own? I see. I
see the problem here, David. I'm just joke, joking. Yeah, no, no,
it's all right, because I was gonna say it's you know,
it's hard to actually see wavy uh framing through an
S tile or a Spanish style roof because there's just
a lot of texture there. But so it doesn't surprise me. Okay,

(18:13):
so you got a flat tire roof. So now again
really important. It was a trusts roof system, not a
traditional just you know, a traditional rafter system. No, they
are trust they're trustes. Okay, yeah, uh I. You know,
here's the thing if you've got waviness up there, that

(18:34):
there's really no excuse for a wavy roof when it
comes to trust is typically what we'll find if a
roof is wavy and it's new. Uh, it's a traditional
style framing and somebody has taken the rafters uh, and
a couple of the framers lost focus up there, and
they put the rafters in upside down, and you're like, wait,
there's an upside down to a rafter. There is an

(18:55):
upside down because every every large piece of lumber has
what we call a crown in it, a natural bend
to the left or right, and we always want to
mark those crowns and put them up so that they're
actually bowed up slightly, so that as they start to
age and settle, they settle down to flat. If we
put the crown down, they already start looking like they're sagging.

(19:16):
They're not structurally sagging, but they look like they're sagging.
And if you put a crown down right next to
a crown up rafter, and now you've got a big
wave in the roof because one of them's lifting it
up a little higher than normal, the other one's taking
it down lower than normal. That's typically when we see
waving in a roofline. But a trust system is supposed
to be locked in and uniform. So I would actually, David,

(19:39):
just you know, if you have a concern about that,
I'd be a little concerned about it. I just want
to make sure that, okay, fine, I mean, just put
up with the fact that you didn't have a great
builder and maybe the trusses are out of line. That's fine,
that's an aesthetic issue, not a structural one. But my
concern is if one of those trusses or in a

(20:01):
couple of areas, might be failing or might have been
damaged and that's why they're sagging. So I'd like to
get somebody up in that attic just to take a
look at it and verify the fact that now the
trusses are fine, they're just misaligned with each other slightly.
And if that's the case, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
I didn't I was in the attic. I didn't see
anything abnormal. As far as the condition of lumber and such.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah, so then it's misaligned, and that's expert. That's annoying
as heck, But you might want to have somebody check
just to make sure. I think you'd see it if
there was a trust issue that was moving, but you
might want to have somebody check. But yeah, misalignment is
annoying as heck because you know it created the wave
and the roof, and you know, here's the thing it

(20:51):
could be now that you know where the two waves are.
If you're concerned about the aesthetic of it, it could
be resolved. Not structural, nobody's going to tear up the
inside of the roof and move that trussover. But it
could be resolved esthetically simply by pulling back the tiles
in those areas and from the top down letting the

(21:14):
roof for shim up that area of the roof on
the outside so that the tiles, you know, the roof
underneath is still going to have the wave in it,
but the tile line and a thin piece of sheathing
across could be corrected and you can move that valley
out of the way. How do I know this did
it to my own house? My house was built in
fifty eight and when we finally got around to reroofing

(21:36):
it after we bought it, yeah, it was like a
roller coaster up there, all sorts of crazy stuff going on.
We did not find any structural issues with it, though,
and so instead of reinventing the wheel, all we did
was fur up, shim up, and smooth out the boards
of sheathing on the surface before we reroofed. And now
it looks ninety nine percent flat and straight flat enough,

(22:02):
and then the texture of the roofing material actually takes
over the rest. So if you don't know to be
looking for it super critically, nobody ever sees it. And
so that was that was okay with me. That's my
best advice, my friend and David, thanks for the call,
thanks for the question, and good luck on your roof
all right, when we return, we're going back to the

(22:24):
phones one more time and then we'll get back to
our list of ten steps to find yourself the right
contractor don't go anywhere. You're Home with Dean Sharp, the
house Whisperer.

Speaker 5 (22:37):
You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from
KFI AM six forty.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Thanks for joining us on the program. Today we are
about to step back into our topic for the day,
which is the ten steps to finding yourself a great
contractor something everybody needs to hear. But I'm just finishing
up our mid show calls here and so I don't
want to neglect that as well. I'm going to go
back to the phones. I'm not going to be able

(23:03):
to get to everybody. But why don't we start with Maria, Hey, Maria,
welcome home.

Speaker 9 (23:10):
Hey being thank you. I made it.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
You're here.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
You made it.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Yeah, I couldn't.

Speaker 9 (23:19):
I couldn't make it last week, but I'm trying again
and I was successful, so thank you.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Let me start with that problem.

Speaker 9 (23:30):
I went in the garage maybe a couple of months ago,
and there was water all over and I was coming
from the clean out there in the garage. So I
called the plumber and they you know, ran the snake
and they took pictures with the camera on. There's root
intruition and the plumber said, there's a area was broken

(23:56):
already the PVC.

Speaker 6 (24:00):
Uh yeah, So.

Speaker 9 (24:04):
I was wondering, uh someone in the meantime until I
get it fixed.

Speaker 8 (24:12):
Someone told me.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
The Raadic acid kills the.

Speaker 8 (24:18):
Where I went to buy something to kill the roots,
kills the tree roots, and I want to know if
it does and if it causes damage to the pipes.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
It does, and it does, Yes, and yes, very adic
acid uh is pretty potent, and uh yeah it'll kill
tree roots. But we never recommend it for sewer clean
out of tree roots, uh, for a couple of reasons. One, Uh,
it also produces a very toxic gas that can back

(24:54):
blow up the line, and you don't want that.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Two it's over hill, literally overkill in terms of its potency.
And yet in its standard form, uriatic acid is not
really best equipped to kill tree roots because it kills
on contact, not just its presence. And it just pours
down like a liquid down the pipe, So it will

(25:19):
do far more damage to the pipes ultimately than to
a pipe full of tree roots, because it's not going
to reach them all. The best thing that you could use,
the things that a plumber would recommend you using, is
a foaming tree root killer, and that's they're available all
over the place. I particularly like not a sponsor the show,

(25:41):
even though I'd welcome it. Green Gobbler. I like Green Gobbler.
Green Gobbler has got a lot of great solid products
out there and they don't do damage to the pipes.
You can find green gobbler, foaming tree root killer and
the fact that it foams up. That's the key. Well,
two things. There's no acid involved in it. It's salt based,

(26:05):
and its active ingredient is I'm trying to remember the
name of it diclobinol I think it's called, which is
a It's an herbicide that kills roots on contact and
prevents regrowth right without damaging the tree that those roots

(26:26):
are coming from. Very very important. So it'll clear out
the inside of the pipe without damaging the pipe, without
hurting the tree. It'll just knock down the roots that
are inside the pipe. And it's foaming, and because it
foams up as it goes down the drain, it foams
up and it fills the whole cavity of the pipe
as it goes down, which means it actually makes contact

(26:49):
with all the roots that are in there and clears
them all out, whereas if you were to just pour
miuratic acid down the drain that's just going to be
at the bottom of the pipe pouring down like reg
water would come down non foaming, do a lot of
damage to what it's touching as far as the pipe
and the roots, and leave all the rest of the
roots that are up and around the top and the

(27:10):
sides of the pipe. So it's not going to get
them all out of there, So don't use the myriadic acid.
Thanks for calling and clarifying that before you go out
and get some. It's toxic, nasty stuff. You don't want
to touch it or breathe it or anything like that.
And you actually want to get the roots out of
your pipe. So any kind of foaming tree root killer

(27:30):
typically is going to use diclobinal and that's the right
kind of stuff to use.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Okay.

Speaker 9 (27:40):
Well, ding dong with you, Dean, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
You're very welcome. And and Maria, you got to get
that pipe fixed now, okay, because they're coming back so
the once. Here's an interesting fact for everybody to understand.
Trees are amazing. Trees can hear the sound of running
water in the ground. Okay, so wow. The fact that

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you've got a sewer line running underneath your front yard
near a tree, your tree knows it's there. Okay, your
tree has reached out and with its roots is like ah, okay,
there's water nearby. So your tree is already very interested
in your sewer line, but that does not mean that
it's getting inside the sewer line. The tree will send

(28:27):
its roots over and it'll be looking around, and if
the soil outside the sewer line is bone dry, the
tree is just going to be kind of confused and frustrated.
But no damage done. Any bit of cracking, any leak,
and it'll send microscopic roots in through that crack and
the next thing you know, bust it wide open. So

(28:48):
the tree roots that are there, yes, you'll be able
to clean them out temporarily and restore the service. But
if you've got a crack in your line, got to
get it fixed because they'll be back. And plus, you
know you don't want to have that sewer depositing itself
in your front yard anyway. Thanks for your call, Maria. Everybody,
we're coming back in just a bit and we will
finish our list. You are Home with Dean Sharp, the

(29:11):
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