September 7, 2025 • 29 mins
Struggle With Depression
Accountability
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI A six on demand. Chris, Welcome
to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Thank you for taking my call, my pleasure. I struggled
with major clinical depression and bipolotis orders as long as
that premium were back in the childhood, and it's affected
my life dramatically in many ways. I just I'm just
curious how responsible am I and people liking and feel
with mental disease. How responsible are we for things in
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our life that we can't always control?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Well, they give me a for example, what do you
do when you act out or somehow this manifests?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I don't always. I'm not always kind to my friends.
I sometimes think people are out to get me. He
would kill me. I'm ugly to my friends at times.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Okay, So let me put it to you this way.
If you're in an ugly mood and you're being ugly
and someone put a gun to your head and said
stop being ugly, would you be able.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
To That's an interesting question. I think in the worst
of my times, I might not be able to.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Okay. So what I'm saying is there's going to be
some environmental there is biological things obviously taken on. And
this is not a medical show, so I'm assuming that
you're going to see a medical doctor about all those things.
But many what we talked about here is really the
moral seating in line with scripture of these types of things.
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And I will tell you that there are a lot
of people. For instance, we'll get calls sometimes of from
from young folks who you know are amorous and enjoying
their sexuality and who they are, right, And I'll call
up and say, but you know, if I'm making out
with a girl or something and it gets hot and
heavy and I get aroused, I can't stop. And they
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think biologically they cannot stop. However, if you see the lights,
the headlights of mommy and Daddy's car pulling up, you
better believe they can stop, right.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, So I need to make sure they don't, they
don't start on that road to becoming aroused.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Well exactly that that's a given and incredibly well put.
Of course, that would be the first thing to do. So,
but just to show you that sometimes people will feel
as if there's nothing they can do so, and I
wanted to make a clear distinction because for the things
that you cannot control, you can't be accountable for them. However,
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you do know that you don't like being yelled at.
You do know that you don't like being treated poorly.
Correct correct, So you know the difference between right and wrong.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
And you know that if you were in a state
where you act like that, you know it's wrong while
you're doing it, even though you're doing it. Yes, you
never say this is a great thing and a good
thing that I'm doing. It might be hard to control,
but you never think it's okay.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
No, I don't think it's okay. I I feel at
a loss at times. I feel that I have no
choice at times.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Well, how could you have no choice because of the illness?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yes, because what I'm thinking is going through my head.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Okay, And and does the does your doctor have you
on medication?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I'm supposed to be that I quit, but you quit.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yes, then you absolutely are accountable for it, Okay, because
once once you and that's not to say that everything
a doctor says is gospel, but once, if you don't
have a better option from another medical doctor, and you're
just saying saying I'm going to quit using this, then
essentially what you're doing is you know, taking the gloves
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off and just saying whatever happens happens, you know, to
the people around me or the people I care about,
They're just going to have to live with the fact
that this is something I'm going through.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Well, I have taken my withdrawn a lot from people
a lot.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Well, that's not going to be helpful either. I mean,
just because you're not verbally abusing somebody or something to
their face doesn't mean that your absence is not painful
to them. These are people that love and care about you.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And that's something I don't understand. That's another thing.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
No, but you do deep down. It's inherent and who
you are. It's built into you to want to love
and be loved as God's creation, of course, so somewhere
deep down you know that's why do you think you're
pulling away to begin with? You're pulling away because of
the potency of it and the realness of it. Yeah,
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and to try and punish yourself a little bit, and
maybe others and these kinds of things. If it didn't
have value and you didn't understand it, you wouldn't be
pulling away.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
That I think.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Well, we kind of try and dabble in truth a
little bit here on the show.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Well, I hope, so that's all we have, that's the truth.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Indeed, So I think it's one of those things that
you need to really really think deep and long about
what it is that you're you know, you're trying to
convey with these actions of yours, whether it's pulling away
or not taking your meds or these types of things, Chris,
and find out why you're doing that, because once you
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you're playing a part of it. This is not the
illness at this point. This is how you react to
the illness, and there's a difference. There is a difference.
So unless you're to the point where you don't know
what you're doing and you can't control completely what you're doing,
then there's a problem because you called so, you call
you retreating, you're not taking your mads. These are all
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actions you control. And if you're still at the point
where you can control all those actions, then yes, you're accountable.
You're accountable for the things you do. It's not the illness.
It's you saying I don't want to take these pills,
or I don't want to be around people, or what
have you. I want you to be healthy and to
be able to control to know when you might have
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an episode or things might be bad. Maybe that's not
the day to go around people or what have you.
But this is something you want to be in joint
discussions with with a good medical doctor who can help
you properly in those categories. But you are accountable at
that point most definitely. You're not accountable when you cannot
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when you absolutely positively can't control it not and that's
usually not the case. Most people say, oh, I just
can't control it. Yeah you can, you don't want to,
or you're not finding that motivation in most cases, and
that's when you cause you know, that's why they're saying
now that a lot many more people who are getting
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caught for DUI after an accident, if someone dies in
that accident, they can be looking at murder because they're
saying that you knew beforehand, before you even got drunk,
that if you got behind a wheel, you could take
the life of somebody. It's not it's not guesswork anymore.
And so in doing that, you play a role prior
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to ever hurting anybody by doing all the actions that
lead up to it. And when it comes to accountability,
Chris was asking about accountability and proverbs sixteen, twenty four
and twenty seven pleasant words are a honeycomb, sweet to
the soul and healing to the bone, and then twenty
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seven A worthless man digs up evil, while his words
are like scorching fire. Now you compound that those with
Proverbs ten nineteen, where it's says, when there are many words,
transgression is unavoidable. But he who restrains his lips as wise.
Communication is an amazing thing, it really is. To use
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words to convey your thoughts, your ideas, your beliefs, is
really a wonderful tool. Oftentimes people overthink things. You might
do this yourself. You outthink a situation. You're overthinking a
situation and saying, well, this and that, and then you
start getting into a multiplicity of words. Once you get
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to that place where you're talking and talking and talking,
sometimes you put yourself in a worse situation. Maybe you
think somebody believes something about you, but they really don't,
and with the hopes of cleaning things up, you make
it muddier. How many times have you watched a television
show or a movie where somebody does something similar or are
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they're trying to talk through a situation or a possible misunderstanding,
and they make it worse. Keep your words locked up.
They're a tool and a tool to be used properly.
And sometimes people talk, I know, texting and everything else.
Strangely enough, is frustrating, as some teachers when it comes
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to grammar might be getting because you start seeing the
abbreviation of words, not capitalizing, not using proper punctuation. That
it is interesting, interesting that people are trying to learn
to communicate in the smallest or shortest span possible, in
the smallest space possible, which can be a good thing
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on one side and a bad thing on the other.
But all coming back to the economy of words. Using
just the amount of words it takes to convey a feeling,
an idea, a thought, a belief, and not getting yourself
into a place where you've strewn so many words together,
there might be a problem, right it. Joe, Welcome to
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Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Hi Joe, Oh Jesus.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
This is the Jesus Christ Show. How can I help you?
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
So, well, have a question.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
If you know when when God told, when God told
h Adam and Eve don't eat from the fruit because
you will die. I'm wondering, why wouldn't he tell him, Adam,
what kind of a horrible dance you'll have if you
were to eat from the fruit?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Oh you don't think it was good enough warning?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
No, no, no, no, not at all.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
I mean you'll die, and I'm gonna say, okay, I'll die.
He was naive, but he could have told him, you
know what, you're gonna suffer. It's gonna hurt you so much,
you di I didn't even know what Dane was, so
you could have told him the true consequences of a fire,
you kid, and you know, suffering forever.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
And ever and what have you?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
No, I really I realized that's how it comes off
now in you know, current language, but in context, most
certainly they knew, and most certainly they had proper example.
All they needed to know is not to It's not
so much about enough like threatening them. It's enough to know.
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You have to reverse the concept a little bit. If
you have someone in your life, for instance, children have
parents that if children had the love for their parents
that Adam and Eve had for my father, which is
a very deep and pure love, then obedience would be
something that's simple. It would be known that if you
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you're saying, why didn't He give enough bad things that
they could trust in not to do it? And I'm
saying that in addition to that, and there were plenty
of those warnings there, But God gave Adam and Eve
plenty of good things to trust in and to understand
that there was no reason for God to tell them
not to do something unless it was horribly bad for them,
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and that it would separate them from God. So it
would separate them from something good, something good that's been
honest and created them and has told them right so far,
no reason for them to change that and told them
that it was going to be bad. As a matter
of fact, that's the best scenario you could possibly hope for,
is that you're going to be You're going to have
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such clear division of what is right and what is
wrong to do when they chose that which was against
the will of God that which was wrong to do,
and in doing so paid the consequences. Elizabeth, Welcome to
the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Hi Jesus, thank you for taking my call, my pleasure.
I have a concern and my feelings about my feelings,
and one is my sister I come from a family's
seven girls, and my parents died and I was a
teenager and I had one sister who became my guardian
and raised me. However, now that they all have grandchildren
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and other families, I'm really not included anymore in anything,
any holidays. I have my own family, my husband and
my wonderful children. That's fine, but I feel like, you know,
they're just too busy. And she even told me that, well,
her husband doesn't have anything common with my husband. And
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this is just all out of the blue, because we've
always spent time together and so this is new.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
This isn't like, well, you know, you've been you've been
hanging out for a while off and on, and now
they're saying, well, there's nothing in common.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
And I think it's grandchildren, and I really think that's
the main thing. And also we've always kind of.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
What do you mean grandchild?
Speaker 4 (14:00):
They have grandchildren and I don't. And also we've always
discussed politics, never anything personal. But a couple of them
don't want to have anything to do with me because
I changed my politics. I got more conservative, and they
resent that. And I don't know, there's a lot of
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things going on, and I feel like, since I lost
my parents so young, all I had were my sisters.
And at this point, I mean, I'm not that young,
but I'm not that old either. I still feel like
I want my sisters and I need my sisters, but
they really don't want to include me in their lives anymore.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
And this is with both of.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Them, well all of them. There's one. Let me give
you one more thing. One of my sisters died from
cancer like five years ago, and I thought that really
hit me because all I had were my sisters. And
it was then we said, oh, we're going to get
together and be close. Well, actually the opposite happened. We
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got further a part.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Yeah that that can happen. Yes, yeah, that can happen.
And sometimes because it reminds you know, each of you
of the pain or the loss or these types of things.
So that's not uncommon. This sister, where did Where was
the one who passed? Where was she in the lineup?
Speaker 4 (15:24):
She was second oldest, and she and I had gotten
to be really good friends. We would talk every day
and I miss her a lot. She was like a
friend more than a sister.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Was she matriarchal in any way? Was she did she like,
he let's all get together, or let's get together at
my place, or let's do this this summer. She was
is there is the eldest sister, more like that or
less like to.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Be she used to be, but not so much anymore,
not so much anymore. It's like she really doesn't want
to have anything. I feel like she doesn't want to
have anything to do with me anymore. She's too busy
with her life now, and it's different than mine because
she's you know, she's going all over the world on
trips and I don't know, she just has a different
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lifestyle than I do. And that's what I feel like.
Maybe that has something to do with it.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Well, there's a lot of things going on here, for sure.
In any family, it is not only tradition, but just
the way families are structured. The matriarch, the mother, is
the one that holds the family together. In your case,
your mother passed and part of that gets assumed to
the different members of the family. Sometimes even the father
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takes it on, or it goes on to the children.
And it sounds like maybe this was kind of passed
on to the two older sisters, and so as one
of your sisters passes, then there's a chunk of that
missing now as well again, and that can be whittled
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down in its own way. Whereas see, the impartiality of
the true matriarch of the family is that she loves
all of her children, and she loves them equally, and
she wants to see them and be with them and
will pull them all together. And conversely, all the children
separately love their mother and their father, but love their
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mother in a way that they will if she says
let's all get together, they will all get together. Now
you remove that from the equation and maybe it's spread
over to the kids, and the two eldest girls they
start kind of taking on some of that and then
one of them dies. Really, you're going to have just
people start breaking off into selfish groups. They're just going
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to say, it's not about the family, it's about my family.
I have my own family unit now that I'm going
to focus on and really depending on how it's done,
because it can be done, that's really kind of the
right way things the right direction for things to go.
It's sad. Well, if you read in scripture that in
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Genesis where it's talking about Adam and Eve said, for
this reason, a man shall leave his parents, and to
her he will cleave, and they will become one flesh.
That an actual family unit. It gets confusing because people
start going, oh, well, this is my family as you
grow up. But when you get a spouse and then
you have kids, now that's your family unit. If you
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spent all your time with your former family unit, you
would never have that new family unit. For instance, if
you wouldn't have had all those wonderful memories with your parents,
if your parents were off with their parents, they had
to be with you, guys for you to build that family.
No one, kids, don't ever think about that. My parents
had to separate themselves from their immediate family. You know,
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aunts and uncles come over, and so does grandma and grandpa.
But really it was all about you, guys. And likewise,
as families grow, it becomes more difficult. Sometimes people hold
on to it maybe you know, into the forties, into
their forties, and then it starts to slip away a
little bit because now there's more kids, or there's a
second layer of children with grandchildren into the fifties, and
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it starts getting you know, slightly more complicated and robust
as a family, and now you want traditions of your own,
and this is how we want to do the holidays,
or this is how we want to do this, and
that doesn't always jie with everybody, and people just kind
of start pocketing off. How it's done is important, but
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really some families, you're not living communally anymore. You're not
living on the same street or in a barn, you know,
on a plot of land where everybody can live together
or anything like that. People could live miles away, sometimes
you know, a continent away. But it really if someone's
starting to focus on their own immediate family, you can't
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really you can't really slight them for that. It's unfortunate
that they don't seem to be reaching out even in
the proper sense, having basic connection with you. But they're
trying to build their family of brothers and sisters now
with their children and can't do that if they're bifurcated
between everybody else as well. So how they did it
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not necessarily very tasteful. I think I think it's legitimate
for you to want to reach out with them, at
least maybe in a letter and say, you know, I
love you all very much and we've been through a
lot together, and with the loss of Mom and our sister,
I wish we were closer. I get that we're not
the same people and that we don't always have the
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same likes or dislikes or any of those things. But
I would hope that we would at least make a
point to try and see each other blank times a year,
or keep in touch via stale mail or email or
whatever it might be, and see if a bond can't
be made or kept up that way.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
But okay, well, that that does make sense. I guess
I just felt hurt.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I think rightly, so I think rightly. So it sounds
to me like it probably wasn't done in the best
of ways, and that can be a bummer too, But
you understand, the cycles move move off. Everybody wants their
their home family to be, you know when you were
growing up, to be great and to stay whole. But
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in order for your new family to be great and
stay whole, you kind of have to break away from
your primary family and grow. That's how families perpetuate and
move on and grow. And I hope that you guys
can at least get together and find some way too,
and if nothing else, it might unearth some you know,
great horrible thing you did in their eyes that you
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can at least go, oh goodness, that's not what I meant,
or I apologize or whatever, or vice versa. And I
think that that's probably the best and honest way to
go about it. Bruce, welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
Well, thank you, and I appreciate the opportunity to talk
to you this morning.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Oh my pleasure. How can I help you, Bruce, Well.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
It's concerning baptism. Don't have any real concerns. There's just
been some things after being involved in the church for
fifty years or so that I was going to bring
up raised a Methodist, married a Methodist, and then been
pretty much in Presbyterian churches and the lion's share of
those churches, to my remembers, have always believed in infant baptism,
and I have nothing against that at all, and I've
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always been concerned that Christ, if a young child would die,
with their grace and forgiveness, would accept that child up
in heaven. My concern would be that I've had a
number of people in some and other churches who have
indicated that they had a friend that just died. They
were sharing this with another friend. That fact God Joe
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was baptized before he died, is if that was the
key step to salvation. So it's wonderfull. Maybe you just
a little discussion on baptism when it occurs and how
it relates to salvation.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
It's a great one and it's an important one. It
is obviously not the things, the traditions and the things
that are passed on that you're told to do or
that you practice, whether it be baptism or communion or
these things have great spiritual importance, and I don't want
to belittle that. When I use analogy. Sometimes people think
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I'm belittling the importance of these things, and I'm not.
But it's more along the lines of a wedding ring.
So the wedding ring doesn't make your marriage. It's a symbol.
It's to show the belief. It's to show others in
the outside world. You don't even need it at home.
You know your wife knows that you love her and
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that you're married to or and vice versa. It's really
an outward showing of what's going on inside, and baptism
kind of falls along that lines that it is it's
a part of the confessing when Scripture says to confess
with your mouth, to confess outwardly when you're saved, that
you believe that Christ is God. That that's that. It's
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one of those things. Now, what ends up happening is
it becomes so ceremonial that some people start to make
it something that it's not. And Christians tend to do
this with everything, always trying to make the act or
the participation. Christians always trying to get in on the
act of what God has already done. I don't know why.
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This is another reason why you don't find the you know,
the the arc of the Covenant, or the Holy Grail
or any of these things, because I feel that Christians
would end up worshiping them somewhere down the line. Because
Christians want to participate, and you do, and there are
works involved, not because they gain you salvation, but because
you should be doing it. A child should work hard
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for their parents, do dishes, mow the lawn, and do
these things because they love their parents. That doesn't make
them love their parents by doing them. It's a showing
of it. And so it doesn't make you saved. By
doing these works. You do it because you love God
and you are saved, and baptism falls into that category.
Can you be saved outside of baptism? Absolutely?
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Okay, good, That was the question I was going to ask.
In other words, the acceptance of Jesus Christ into your
life and being born again is you could still go
to heaven without being baptized. But theoretically, just being baptized
doesn't mean you automatically have accepted Christ and giving your
life over to Him. And they're generally one and the
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same eventually would occur. But it's more important to accept
Jesus Christ than to just be baptized.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Absolutely. Otherwise, every time somebody gets dunked in a pool,
they're in right.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
I've been to several church and I won't mention necessarily
they don't. I don't disagree with them their Christian churches,
but the person has passed away and they put almost
the entire emphasis on the fact that they were baptized.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Well, I will tell you this, if a church focuses
on baptism and salvation, I would say that that's a concern.
If if they believe in infant baptism versus adult baptism
versus full immersion that's an in house, that's a family discussion,
and that's fine. But once, once it's elevated to a
point where it's part of salvation, then I would have
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a concern because that's on the cross. You've heard many
churches do around Easter time. They'll do the seven last
sayings on the cross, on the cross that I that
I uttered right, and the last one is to tell
us sty And there's a lot of you know, talk about,
well this means the end, that it is finished, and
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there's some that believe that it was an old Greek
saying that was used for meaning paid in full. So ultimately,
regardless of the translation, it's it's final, and it wasn't
stating up there on the cross it is finished. Well, Comma,
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when you get baptized, it wasn't about that at all.
And there's no point in scripture that says that through
the blood on the cross and you getting baptized, you
are saved.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
That's pretty much agrees with the way we've kind of gone.
It seems to me that with infant baptism in the
churches i've been, it's more of a dedicating that child
to the congregation and the parents to raise and bring
that child up in the way of God, and that
at some point in time, you know, maybe maybe they
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choose to be baptized again.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
And if they're young, really young, and died a month
after they were baptized, I believe that in before any
knowing knowledge of Jesus Christ, with the great forgiveness of God,
he will probably have them in his arms when they
pass away.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
And there are those that wrestle back and forth with this, Bruce,
and I don't want to make light of it, because
there is a lot to be discussed here, But really,
when it comes to infant baptism, the concerns on both sides,
and the argument goes basically that a child doesn't know
what they're doing and doesn't have the ability to appreciate
the situation, and nor are they making a decision for God.
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They're really having the decision made for them. Conversely, there
are those that would argue that inscripture in the Book
of Acts it says to baptize the whole household, so
the assumption there as well that it's talking about children
as well, although not necessarily so. The argument will go
back and forth forever and ever. I'm sure, But the
important thing is is that the child will come to
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an age where they get to make the decision whether
they are going to live their life for God or not,
and that's going to be their sole decision and not
the decision of their parents. We'll see you next week,
and remember, more importantly than all this craziness these simple words,
I Am with you Always, KF I am six forty
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You're listening to KFI A six on demand. Chris, Welcome
to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Thank you for taking my call, my pleasure. I struggled
with major clinical depression and bipolotis orders as long as
that premium were back in the childhood, and it's affected
my life dramatically in many ways. I just I'm just
curious how responsible am I and people liking and feel
with mental disease. How responsible are we for things in
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our life that we can't always control?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Well, they give me a for example, what do you
do when you act out or somehow this manifests?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I don't always. I'm not always kind to my friends.
I sometimes think people are out to get me. He
would kill me. I'm ugly to my friends at times.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Okay, So let me put it to you this way.
If you're in an ugly mood and you're being ugly
and someone put a gun to your head and said
stop being ugly, would you be able.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
To That's an interesting question. I think in the worst
of my times, I might not be able to.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Okay. So what I'm saying is there's going to be
some environmental there is biological things obviously taken on. And
this is not a medical show, so I'm assuming that
you're going to see a medical doctor about all those things.
But many what we talked about here is really the
moral seating in line with scripture of these types of things.
(01:42):
And I will tell you that there are a lot
of people. For instance, we'll get calls sometimes of from
from young folks who you know are amorous and enjoying
their sexuality and who they are, right, And I'll call
up and say, but you know, if I'm making out
with a girl or something and it gets hot and
heavy and I get aroused, I can't stop. And they
(02:04):
think biologically they cannot stop. However, if you see the lights,
the headlights of mommy and Daddy's car pulling up, you
better believe they can stop, right.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, So I need to make sure they don't, they
don't start on that road to becoming aroused.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Well exactly that that's a given and incredibly well put.
Of course, that would be the first thing to do. So,
but just to show you that sometimes people will feel
as if there's nothing they can do so, and I
wanted to make a clear distinction because for the things
that you cannot control, you can't be accountable for them. However,
(02:43):
you do know that you don't like being yelled at.
You do know that you don't like being treated poorly.
Correct correct, So you know the difference between right and wrong.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
And you know that if you were in a state
where you act like that, you know it's wrong while
you're doing it, even though you're doing it. Yes, you
never say this is a great thing and a good
thing that I'm doing. It might be hard to control,
but you never think it's okay.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
No, I don't think it's okay. I I feel at
a loss at times. I feel that I have no
choice at times.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Well, how could you have no choice because of the illness?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yes, because what I'm thinking is going through my head.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Okay, And and does the does your doctor have you
on medication?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I'm supposed to be that I quit, but you quit.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yes, then you absolutely are accountable for it, Okay, because
once once you and that's not to say that everything
a doctor says is gospel, but once, if you don't
have a better option from another medical doctor, and you're
just saying saying I'm going to quit using this, then
essentially what you're doing is you know, taking the gloves
(04:07):
off and just saying whatever happens happens, you know, to
the people around me or the people I care about,
They're just going to have to live with the fact
that this is something I'm going through.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Well, I have taken my withdrawn a lot from people
a lot.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Well, that's not going to be helpful either. I mean,
just because you're not verbally abusing somebody or something to
their face doesn't mean that your absence is not painful
to them. These are people that love and care about you.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And that's something I don't understand. That's another thing.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
No, but you do deep down. It's inherent and who
you are. It's built into you to want to love
and be loved as God's creation, of course, so somewhere
deep down you know that's why do you think you're
pulling away to begin with? You're pulling away because of
the potency of it and the realness of it. Yeah,
(05:01):
and to try and punish yourself a little bit, and
maybe others and these kinds of things. If it didn't
have value and you didn't understand it, you wouldn't be
pulling away.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
That I think.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Well, we kind of try and dabble in truth a
little bit here on the show.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Well, I hope, so that's all we have, that's the truth.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Indeed, So I think it's one of those things that
you need to really really think deep and long about
what it is that you're you know, you're trying to
convey with these actions of yours, whether it's pulling away
or not taking your meds or these types of things, Chris,
and find out why you're doing that, because once you
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you're playing a part of it. This is not the
illness at this point. This is how you react to
the illness, and there's a difference. There is a difference.
So unless you're to the point where you don't know
what you're doing and you can't control completely what you're doing,
then there's a problem because you called so, you call
you retreating, you're not taking your mads. These are all
(06:03):
actions you control. And if you're still at the point
where you can control all those actions, then yes, you're accountable.
You're accountable for the things you do. It's not the illness.
It's you saying I don't want to take these pills,
or I don't want to be around people, or what
have you. I want you to be healthy and to
be able to control to know when you might have
(06:24):
an episode or things might be bad. Maybe that's not
the day to go around people or what have you.
But this is something you want to be in joint
discussions with with a good medical doctor who can help
you properly in those categories. But you are accountable at
that point most definitely. You're not accountable when you cannot
(06:45):
when you absolutely positively can't control it not and that's
usually not the case. Most people say, oh, I just
can't control it. Yeah you can, you don't want to,
or you're not finding that motivation in most cases, and
that's when you cause you know, that's why they're saying
now that a lot many more people who are getting
(07:06):
caught for DUI after an accident, if someone dies in
that accident, they can be looking at murder because they're
saying that you knew beforehand, before you even got drunk,
that if you got behind a wheel, you could take
the life of somebody. It's not it's not guesswork anymore.
And so in doing that, you play a role prior
(07:28):
to ever hurting anybody by doing all the actions that
lead up to it. And when it comes to accountability,
Chris was asking about accountability and proverbs sixteen, twenty four
and twenty seven pleasant words are a honeycomb, sweet to
the soul and healing to the bone, and then twenty
(07:51):
seven A worthless man digs up evil, while his words
are like scorching fire. Now you compound that those with
Proverbs ten nineteen, where it's says, when there are many words,
transgression is unavoidable. But he who restrains his lips as wise.
Communication is an amazing thing, it really is. To use
(08:12):
words to convey your thoughts, your ideas, your beliefs, is
really a wonderful tool. Oftentimes people overthink things. You might
do this yourself. You outthink a situation. You're overthinking a
situation and saying, well, this and that, and then you
start getting into a multiplicity of words. Once you get
(08:32):
to that place where you're talking and talking and talking,
sometimes you put yourself in a worse situation. Maybe you
think somebody believes something about you, but they really don't,
and with the hopes of cleaning things up, you make
it muddier. How many times have you watched a television
show or a movie where somebody does something similar or are
(08:54):
they're trying to talk through a situation or a possible misunderstanding,
and they make it worse. Keep your words locked up.
They're a tool and a tool to be used properly.
And sometimes people talk, I know, texting and everything else.
Strangely enough, is frustrating, as some teachers when it comes
(09:17):
to grammar might be getting because you start seeing the
abbreviation of words, not capitalizing, not using proper punctuation. That
it is interesting, interesting that people are trying to learn
to communicate in the smallest or shortest span possible, in
the smallest space possible, which can be a good thing
(09:40):
on one side and a bad thing on the other.
But all coming back to the economy of words. Using
just the amount of words it takes to convey a feeling,
an idea, a thought, a belief, and not getting yourself
into a place where you've strewn so many words together,
there might be a problem, right it. Joe, Welcome to
(10:08):
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Hi Joe, Oh Jesus.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
This is the Jesus Christ Show. How can I help you?
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
So, well, have a question.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
If you know when when God told, when God told
h Adam and Eve don't eat from the fruit because
you will die. I'm wondering, why wouldn't he tell him, Adam,
what kind of a horrible dance you'll have if you
were to eat from the fruit?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Oh you don't think it was good enough warning?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
No, no, no, no, not at all.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
I mean you'll die, and I'm gonna say, okay, I'll die.
He was naive, but he could have told him, you
know what, you're gonna suffer. It's gonna hurt you so much,
you di I didn't even know what Dane was, so
you could have told him the true consequences of a fire,
you kid, and you know, suffering forever.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
And ever and what have you?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
No, I really I realized that's how it comes off
now in you know, current language, but in context, most
certainly they knew, and most certainly they had proper example.
All they needed to know is not to It's not
so much about enough like threatening them. It's enough to know.
(11:20):
You have to reverse the concept a little bit. If
you have someone in your life, for instance, children have
parents that if children had the love for their parents
that Adam and Eve had for my father, which is
a very deep and pure love, then obedience would be
something that's simple. It would be known that if you
(11:40):
you're saying, why didn't He give enough bad things that
they could trust in not to do it? And I'm
saying that in addition to that, and there were plenty
of those warnings there, But God gave Adam and Eve
plenty of good things to trust in and to understand
that there was no reason for God to tell them
not to do something unless it was horribly bad for them,
(12:03):
and that it would separate them from God. So it
would separate them from something good, something good that's been
honest and created them and has told them right so far,
no reason for them to change that and told them
that it was going to be bad. As a matter
of fact, that's the best scenario you could possibly hope for,
is that you're going to be You're going to have
(12:24):
such clear division of what is right and what is
wrong to do when they chose that which was against
the will of God that which was wrong to do,
and in doing so paid the consequences. Elizabeth, Welcome to
the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Hi Jesus, thank you for taking my call, my pleasure.
I have a concern and my feelings about my feelings,
and one is my sister I come from a family's
seven girls, and my parents died and I was a
teenager and I had one sister who became my guardian
and raised me. However, now that they all have grandchildren
(13:10):
and other families, I'm really not included anymore in anything,
any holidays. I have my own family, my husband and
my wonderful children. That's fine, but I feel like, you know,
they're just too busy. And she even told me that, well,
her husband doesn't have anything common with my husband. And
(13:33):
this is just all out of the blue, because we've
always spent time together and so this is new.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
This isn't like, well, you know, you've been you've been
hanging out for a while off and on, and now
they're saying, well, there's nothing in common.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
And I think it's grandchildren, and I really think that's
the main thing. And also we've always kind of.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
What do you mean grandchild?
Speaker 4 (14:00):
They have grandchildren and I don't. And also we've always
discussed politics, never anything personal. But a couple of them
don't want to have anything to do with me because
I changed my politics. I got more conservative, and they
resent that. And I don't know, there's a lot of
(14:21):
things going on, and I feel like, since I lost
my parents so young, all I had were my sisters.
And at this point, I mean, I'm not that young,
but I'm not that old either. I still feel like
I want my sisters and I need my sisters, but
they really don't want to include me in their lives anymore.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
And this is with both of.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Them, well all of them. There's one. Let me give
you one more thing. One of my sisters died from
cancer like five years ago, and I thought that really
hit me because all I had were my sisters. And
it was then we said, oh, we're going to get
together and be close. Well, actually the opposite happened. We
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got further a part.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Yeah that that can happen. Yes, yeah, that can happen.
And sometimes because it reminds you know, each of you
of the pain or the loss or these types of things.
So that's not uncommon. This sister, where did Where was
the one who passed? Where was she in the lineup?
Speaker 4 (15:24):
She was second oldest, and she and I had gotten
to be really good friends. We would talk every day
and I miss her a lot. She was like a
friend more than a sister.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Was she matriarchal in any way? Was she did she like,
he let's all get together, or let's get together at
my place, or let's do this this summer. She was
is there is the eldest sister, more like that or
less like to.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Be she used to be, but not so much anymore,
not so much anymore. It's like she really doesn't want
to have anything. I feel like she doesn't want to
have anything to do with me anymore. She's too busy
with her life now, and it's different than mine because
she's you know, she's going all over the world on
trips and I don't know, she just has a different
(16:12):
lifestyle than I do. And that's what I feel like.
Maybe that has something to do with it.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Well, there's a lot of things going on here, for sure.
In any family, it is not only tradition, but just
the way families are structured. The matriarch, the mother, is
the one that holds the family together. In your case,
your mother passed and part of that gets assumed to
the different members of the family. Sometimes even the father
(16:41):
takes it on, or it goes on to the children.
And it sounds like maybe this was kind of passed
on to the two older sisters, and so as one
of your sisters passes, then there's a chunk of that
missing now as well again, and that can be whittled
(17:03):
down in its own way. Whereas see, the impartiality of
the true matriarch of the family is that she loves
all of her children, and she loves them equally, and
she wants to see them and be with them and
will pull them all together. And conversely, all the children
separately love their mother and their father, but love their
(17:25):
mother in a way that they will if she says
let's all get together, they will all get together. Now
you remove that from the equation and maybe it's spread
over to the kids, and the two eldest girls they
start kind of taking on some of that and then
one of them dies. Really, you're going to have just
people start breaking off into selfish groups. They're just going
(17:47):
to say, it's not about the family, it's about my family.
I have my own family unit now that I'm going
to focus on and really depending on how it's done,
because it can be done, that's really kind of the
right way things the right direction for things to go.
It's sad. Well, if you read in scripture that in
(18:10):
Genesis where it's talking about Adam and Eve said, for
this reason, a man shall leave his parents, and to
her he will cleave, and they will become one flesh.
That an actual family unit. It gets confusing because people
start going, oh, well, this is my family as you
grow up. But when you get a spouse and then
you have kids, now that's your family unit. If you
(18:33):
spent all your time with your former family unit, you
would never have that new family unit. For instance, if
you wouldn't have had all those wonderful memories with your parents,
if your parents were off with their parents, they had
to be with you, guys for you to build that family.
No one, kids, don't ever think about that. My parents
had to separate themselves from their immediate family. You know,
(18:55):
aunts and uncles come over, and so does grandma and grandpa.
But really it was all about you, guys. And likewise,
as families grow, it becomes more difficult. Sometimes people hold
on to it maybe you know, into the forties, into
their forties, and then it starts to slip away a
little bit because now there's more kids, or there's a
second layer of children with grandchildren into the fifties, and
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it starts getting you know, slightly more complicated and robust
as a family, and now you want traditions of your own,
and this is how we want to do the holidays,
or this is how we want to do this, and
that doesn't always jie with everybody, and people just kind
of start pocketing off. How it's done is important, but
(19:41):
really some families, you're not living communally anymore. You're not
living on the same street or in a barn, you know,
on a plot of land where everybody can live together
or anything like that. People could live miles away, sometimes
you know, a continent away. But it really if someone's
starting to focus on their own immediate family, you can't
(20:04):
really you can't really slight them for that. It's unfortunate
that they don't seem to be reaching out even in
the proper sense, having basic connection with you. But they're
trying to build their family of brothers and sisters now
with their children and can't do that if they're bifurcated
between everybody else as well. So how they did it
(20:27):
not necessarily very tasteful. I think I think it's legitimate
for you to want to reach out with them, at
least maybe in a letter and say, you know, I
love you all very much and we've been through a
lot together, and with the loss of Mom and our sister,
I wish we were closer. I get that we're not
the same people and that we don't always have the
(20:48):
same likes or dislikes or any of those things. But
I would hope that we would at least make a
point to try and see each other blank times a year,
or keep in touch via stale mail or email or
whatever it might be, and see if a bond can't
be made or kept up that way.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
But okay, well, that that does make sense. I guess
I just felt hurt.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I think rightly, so I think rightly. So it sounds
to me like it probably wasn't done in the best
of ways, and that can be a bummer too, But
you understand, the cycles move move off. Everybody wants their
their home family to be, you know when you were
growing up, to be great and to stay whole. But
(21:34):
in order for your new family to be great and
stay whole, you kind of have to break away from
your primary family and grow. That's how families perpetuate and
move on and grow. And I hope that you guys
can at least get together and find some way too,
and if nothing else, it might unearth some you know,
great horrible thing you did in their eyes that you
(21:56):
can at least go, oh goodness, that's not what I meant,
or I apologize or whatever, or vice versa. And I
think that that's probably the best and honest way to
go about it. Bruce, welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
Well, thank you, and I appreciate the opportunity to talk
to you this morning.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Oh my pleasure. How can I help you, Bruce, Well.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
It's concerning baptism. Don't have any real concerns. There's just
been some things after being involved in the church for
fifty years or so that I was going to bring
up raised a Methodist, married a Methodist, and then been
pretty much in Presbyterian churches and the lion's share of
those churches, to my remembers, have always believed in infant baptism,
and I have nothing against that at all, and I've
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always been concerned that Christ, if a young child would die,
with their grace and forgiveness, would accept that child up
in heaven. My concern would be that I've had a
number of people in some and other churches who have
indicated that they had a friend that just died. They
were sharing this with another friend. That fact God Joe
(23:03):
was baptized before he died, is if that was the
key step to salvation. So it's wonderfull. Maybe you just
a little discussion on baptism when it occurs and how
it relates to salvation.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
It's a great one and it's an important one. It
is obviously not the things, the traditions and the things
that are passed on that you're told to do or
that you practice, whether it be baptism or communion or
these things have great spiritual importance, and I don't want
to belittle that. When I use analogy. Sometimes people think
(23:38):
I'm belittling the importance of these things, and I'm not.
But it's more along the lines of a wedding ring.
So the wedding ring doesn't make your marriage. It's a symbol.
It's to show the belief. It's to show others in
the outside world. You don't even need it at home.
You know your wife knows that you love her and
(23:59):
that you're married to or and vice versa. It's really
an outward showing of what's going on inside, and baptism
kind of falls along that lines that it is it's
a part of the confessing when Scripture says to confess
with your mouth, to confess outwardly when you're saved, that
you believe that Christ is God. That that's that. It's
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one of those things. Now, what ends up happening is
it becomes so ceremonial that some people start to make
it something that it's not. And Christians tend to do
this with everything, always trying to make the act or
the participation. Christians always trying to get in on the
act of what God has already done. I don't know why.
(24:41):
This is another reason why you don't find the you know,
the the arc of the Covenant, or the Holy Grail
or any of these things, because I feel that Christians
would end up worshiping them somewhere down the line. Because
Christians want to participate, and you do, and there are
works involved, not because they gain you salvation, but because
you should be doing it. A child should work hard
(25:04):
for their parents, do dishes, mow the lawn, and do
these things because they love their parents. That doesn't make
them love their parents by doing them. It's a showing
of it. And so it doesn't make you saved. By
doing these works. You do it because you love God
and you are saved, and baptism falls into that category.
Can you be saved outside of baptism? Absolutely?
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Okay, good, That was the question I was going to ask.
In other words, the acceptance of Jesus Christ into your
life and being born again is you could still go
to heaven without being baptized. But theoretically, just being baptized
doesn't mean you automatically have accepted Christ and giving your
life over to Him. And they're generally one and the
(25:47):
same eventually would occur. But it's more important to accept
Jesus Christ than to just be baptized.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Absolutely. Otherwise, every time somebody gets dunked in a pool,
they're in right.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
I've been to several church and I won't mention necessarily
they don't. I don't disagree with them their Christian churches,
but the person has passed away and they put almost
the entire emphasis on the fact that they were baptized.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Well, I will tell you this, if a church focuses
on baptism and salvation, I would say that that's a concern.
If if they believe in infant baptism versus adult baptism
versus full immersion that's an in house, that's a family discussion,
and that's fine. But once, once it's elevated to a
point where it's part of salvation, then I would have
(26:32):
a concern because that's on the cross. You've heard many
churches do around Easter time. They'll do the seven last
sayings on the cross, on the cross that I that
I uttered right, and the last one is to tell
us sty And there's a lot of you know, talk about,
well this means the end, that it is finished, and
(26:53):
there's some that believe that it was an old Greek
saying that was used for meaning paid in full. So ultimately,
regardless of the translation, it's it's final, and it wasn't
stating up there on the cross it is finished. Well, Comma,
(27:16):
when you get baptized, it wasn't about that at all.
And there's no point in scripture that says that through
the blood on the cross and you getting baptized, you
are saved.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
That's pretty much agrees with the way we've kind of gone.
It seems to me that with infant baptism in the
churches i've been, it's more of a dedicating that child
to the congregation and the parents to raise and bring
that child up in the way of God, and that
at some point in time, you know, maybe maybe they
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choose to be baptized again.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
And if they're young, really young, and died a month
after they were baptized, I believe that in before any
knowing knowledge of Jesus Christ, with the great forgiveness of God,
he will probably have them in his arms when they
pass away.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
And there are those that wrestle back and forth with this, Bruce,
and I don't want to make light of it, because
there is a lot to be discussed here, But really,
when it comes to infant baptism, the concerns on both sides,
and the argument goes basically that a child doesn't know
what they're doing and doesn't have the ability to appreciate
the situation, and nor are they making a decision for God.
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They're really having the decision made for them. Conversely, there
are those that would argue that inscripture in the Book
of Acts it says to baptize the whole household, so
the assumption there as well that it's talking about children
as well, although not necessarily so. The argument will go
back and forth forever and ever. I'm sure, But the
important thing is is that the child will come to
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an age where they get to make the decision whether
they are going to live their life for God or not,
and that's going to be their sole decision and not
the decision of their parents. We'll see you next week,
and remember, more importantly than all this craziness these simple words,
I Am with you Always, KF I am six forty
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!