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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I like.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
The way this show goes every week to have the
opportunity to talk about these things and open up the
dialogue when you can always tell when someone's asking how
someone asks the question as to what answer they want.
And so that's all I was pointing out when I
asked the denomination, just so you know, because as questions
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are asked in reverse, well this is I just want
to point those things out so people know where the
agenda lies. Now. I think it was a heartfelt question
as well, and I think that it's an important question
and a lot of confusion. Keep in mind, you have
broke the commandments, if you remember in scripture I tell
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you that it's not if you murder somebody, if you
even think about it, you've broken the commandment. It says
in scripture that I did not come to abolish, but
to fulfill, and that is often misunderstood, meaning that you
can push them away. Now. The Ten Commandments are still
important and still play a part in your life, absolutely,
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but make no mistake, you have broken all of them.
They are broken. That was the purpose for my death,
that you could not live by them. If you wanted
to that even the Jewish standards of our Jewish brothers
and sisters two thousand years ago were not up to
the standard of God. By way of the Christian view,
that says, if you even think about it, you've done it.
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In the Ten Commandment, it talks at ten Commandments, it
talks about uh, remembering the Sabbath day and keeping it holy.
Christians currently do not celebrate the Sabbath. It does not
mean they don't remember it. It does not mean they
don't keep but holy. It means that the celebration of
church and worship and praise is primarily not always I'm
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done on the Lord's Day, which is Sunday, not the
Sabbath which is Saturday. They don't contradict each other. It
doesn't contradict scripture. What it's saying is that the laws
are not followed. The Ten Commandments have been broken. I
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came died on the cross.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
So that.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Those that believe can have eternal life and be covered
in those laws. The spirit of the law supersedes the
law itself, which is why I said, if you even
think about it, because you are breaking the spirit of
the law. So when you get lost in the laws themselves.
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It becomes idolatry, which breaks the laws because now you
are worshiping the law and not what God's purpose was
and the reasons for the law. For instance, there are
orphans who cannot honor their parents. There are people that
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have grown up in households where their parents were horrible
to them. They cannot honor their mother and father. Is
that breaking the commandment? Absolutely not, because the commandment is
about honorable parents as well as it's about honoring them.
So in context, what happens is when people are looking
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at the law in a way that is outside of
general Christian theology, is you miss the fact that the
purpose of the law was to point out the fact
that humans couldn't live by the law if they really
wanted to. Therefore, God came in the form of man
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and died on the cross only way they would be fulfilled.
That's what's being pointed out.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Now.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
If someone wants to worship on the Sabbath, there's no
problem with that. There's absolutely no problem with that. If
it becomes a stickler as to whether you're a Christian
or not, then there's a problem because then it becomes
about worshiping the day and not worshiping God, and then
you're into idolatry, and then you're you've broken the commandments again.
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All make no mistake, all of the commandments have been
broken by you and the person next to you. You
may look and say, well, you know, I haven't committed
adultery and I've never murdered. That's not the point. The
point is about the spirit of the law. For instance,
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the law in your town, and the speed limit may
be fifty five on the highway, whatever it is, that
law is not more important than the purpose of the law,
which is saving lives. That is the purpose of it.
So if you start being rigid and worshiping the speed
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limit and saying I can only drive fifty five on
this road, it may not be a problem for you,
But if your law enforcement or you're a firefighter or
an emergency response team, there will be a problems. Life's
will be lost by you sticking to that law because
you're not looking at the spirit of the law. The
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spirit of the law and the importance of the Sabbath
was to take time for yourself and God, to not
work yourself to the bone, and to have that time
with God. After my death on the cross, and the
fulfillment of those laws, the practice of remembering the Sabbath
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becomes different, and now the application of worship lies on
the Lord's Day. For most Christians. You can see this
in scripture in the Book of Acts. In the early Church,
there were times where they worship midweek. So just as
I said in Scripture that if you're you know, if
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there is a need, a physical need to help one
of your animals or what have you, on the Sabbath,
you do it. Why Because Sabbath was made for the man,
not man made for the Sabbath. And I know that
there are a lot of arguments that go out there
in the Church, and I think that's healthy to discuss them.
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But really, when you read it in the context of
all the other verses that talked about the abolishment of
the law Romans three thirty one, that it's not about
making the law void because of faith. No, it's establishing
the law. It's fulfilling the law. Looking into the original languages,
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you'll see that that means filled fully, not just fulfilled.
Makes it sound like, okay, it's done away with, but
filled fully. And I think those things are important to
the discussion of the dialogue because people get caught up
in that. And again, if you just start worshiping the
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Sabbath or this is a mandate, then you're worshiping the law,
and that breaks the law. See it for what it is.
Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy. That's not diametrically
opposed to people worshiping on Sunday, not at all.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Jerome, Yeah, I'm trying to understand the purpose of the
attention of Christ. Okay, extention of his physical body.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Well, I mean there's a lot of different beliefs that
go into this, but quite simply, I came by way
of a miracle, virgin birth, and left by way of
a miracle. They were both significations of signs of who
I was and the changing of coming into the flesh.
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So I'm in the flesh and I'm standing on this
earth and I'm doing my ministry. All very important, But
this is like showing now going to be home with
the Father, and that the limitations, of the physical limitations
that I had dealt with while on earth were being
lifted in sorts. So really, when you read about it
and you go through you know the concept of being
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exalted and lifted into the heavens physically was an important
way of showing that the things that needed to be
done here on Earth dealing with my earthly ministry were finished,
were accomplished, and that I came in a supernatural and
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powerful way being born to a virgin, and I left
in a supernatural and powerful way the beginning of my
time here on earth and the ending of my time
here on earth, and that was very, very important. Ruth,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hi, Hi, Ruth, Thanks
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for holding on. How can I help you?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yes, in my life for what's going on?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yes, you are live?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Okay? Am I talking in Jesus Christ?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Well you sure are?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Oh wow, Okay, Yes, I'm bringing this, Ruth, and from
having your really hard time forgiving myself over portraying somebody's
CONCID You've betrayed.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
You betrayed, betrayed someone's confidence. Yes, they told you something
that they wanted you to keep secret, and you blurted
it out somewhere.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Basically, I'm a religious singer and I was getting construction
by somebody that had a very big pull on the
religious community, Okay. And there was a mutual attraction and
it wasn't maybe ethical, but attractions are something used to
select particularly and I expressed it to a congregant that
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I shouldn't have at all.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
And why do you think you did that?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Now?
Speaker 1 (10:49):
First of all, or either of you married? He was,
he is, he's married, and you felt that there was
some attraction or connection between the two of you. Yeah,
did you feel that it made you look better that
he was attracted to you?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
You know, I really I can't believe I did that.
I don't understand the motivation I had for that, because
I see how destructive and stupid and foolish was I
don't know it was like this impulsive.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Moment that I had, It wasn't as impulsive as you think.
You thought about it. You understood the way to the situation,
and you did it anyway. So there's got to be
some motivation that was more powerful than that.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I don't know. I mean, honestly, I am trying to
figure out why did that. I not to excuse mental illness,
I am bipolar. If you come from a very ridiculously
dysfunctional family.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Very I mean, did you want people to know that
this guy thought you were attractive?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
There was something? It was more like I was sharing
this this heavy weight and I was.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I don't think so a weight. It really deals with
if there was a physical element there there there there
was no weight other than the fact that there was
this connection under the circumstances. It was, Hey, look what
what I'm doing? There was hold hold that thought for
just one moment. We'll come back in just a second
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and talk more. We were chatting with Ruth. Ruth was
you know you're a singer in the church, Ruth.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yes, and and.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And this, uh, this other person, this man was a
member of the musicians as well in charge. Okay. So
he was in charge of the music ministry. Okay. And
you felt that you were having a connection with him,
but did not get physical.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
It wasn't a feeling. There was sheets for very explicit
things that I wasn't. I didn't have a problem with it.
I was.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
You sound like you were welcome, like you were flattered
by the experience.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I was. It was very flattered. I was. I was
very flattered by it.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Okay. And you gave into that flattery, and you probably
started responding in a way that you'd get more of it.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
So he told you that he was having feelings for you. Yeah, okay,
And the person that you told about this. You said
that you felt that you betrayed that confidence. There was
no confidence. He had betrayed confidence in his family. He
was married and in his church as he committed to
them as part of the ministry to put those kinds
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of things behind him and not be a participant of them.
So he is doing the betrayal. Who did you tell?
Did you tell a friend there at the church?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Okay, how come you didn't go to the pastoral staff
and talk to the pastor.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I feel so guilty about anything.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Don't worry about guilt. That's that's the devil. It's not
about guilt. It's about doing that which is right and
finding out why you participated in this and why you
did the things you did. So don't worry about those things.
Why did you not.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
This person drastically runs that institution. This person, it's really
even though he's got one role there, he really is
very integral to that.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Okay, but why didn't you go to above his head?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
You know what he didn't want, but you.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Wanted to tell people about it. You didn't want to
tell the right people about it.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
It wasn't a complete what I revealed. It was I
I was proud of it. I was.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
It sounds like it. So let me ask you this,
Why were you proud of something like that? Why were
you proud of grabbing another man's eye from his wife?
Why would that make you proud?
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I wasn't proud of hurt a potential hurting of somebody else.
That wasn't the part I was proud of.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Well, that's part of it, because you're proud that you
that you could get something that someone else had. It
wasn't just I mean, he may be handsome, he may
be powerful, but even if.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
He weren't married, I would have been interested. It wasn't
like I'm gonna grab this married person. I mean, that
wasn't my motivation to say, because he's married, I'm going
to go after that part.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Well, but you're not a fool ruth yet. You knew
that your words could be damaging to him. Yet rather
than giving them to the person who deserves to know
in this case, it would either be his wife or
the pastor, I prefer the pastor first in this context
because there was no physical contact, correct, right? Okay, So
there was words that he expressed to you, and and
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were those words explicit, Yes, okay. So were they would
you categorize them as dirty?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Okay? And so this would have been the appropriate time
to take that to the pastoral staff and say, hey,
I was approached this way. Not only is he a
leader in your church, but he's married. And it's made
me uncomfortable. And by the sounds of things when I
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said that you were a singer, or that you were
in the the choir or what have you, you said
used to be what what ended up happening.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I don't want to go in all the details. I'm sorry,
but I'm sorry to sounds the diversion that what about
Martin and sarcin I mean, Martin.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Are you really going to start asking about Martin Luther King?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Well, she wasn't.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I'll tell you. I'll tell you what we'll do, Ruth.
We'll talk about Martin Luther King when he calls the program,
but right now it's you I calling. Don't look for excuses.
Don't look for excuses, Ruth, because what we're dealing with
right now is why you did what you did, because
you called okay. And my concern is that if you
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make excuses and you dance around it and you don't
go down a path, you did specific things in this
This man isn't even calling me you are so right now,
what I have is you calling me saying that something
happened to you and you responded a certain way, and
I care about you, Ruth. I want to know why
you did what you did so that you can look
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towards not doing it again, or not being falling prey
to a situation like that, or being a willing participant.
And really, what happened to you is someone did something
to you, and rather than you being aghast by the
situation and going to the leadership to protect the rest
of the flock, you thought that it was flattering and
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you went and told a friend as if you were going, hey,
you know what, someone famous likes me, okay, and that,
to me is is incredibly unhealthy. Wouldn't you agree? I
guess no, because you wouldn't have called if you If
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you didn't care about this, Ruth, then you're messed up.
If you didn't care and you blew it off and
it didn't you know, then there's a problem. But you called.
You were the one, as we say on the show
all the time, that was bold and brave and picked
up the phone so either you're calling to brag some more, okay,
or then you're then you're calling to understand it. So
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let's understand it. What would make you want to tell
the wrong person rather than the right person about what
was going on?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I really wish I could let to tell you the motivation.
I mean, when was.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
The last time you were in a relationship of two
years or more?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
No? I never have been.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Okay, why do you think that you haven't been in
a relationship of two years or more?
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I'm in therapy, Okay. I come from a very seriously
cambaged family. Understood, Yeah I did. I was lusted as
a young child. Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
So that you think that that ties into why you
haven't had a healthy.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Relationship, I'm sure, but my therapist believes it could be.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
I would say that's a good probability. Yes, So these
are all things. These are all things that can be
looked at and that you can build strength out of
those weaknesses. Everyone has something that happens to them when
they're younger in a state of confusion. Molestation is the
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most vulgar of those options most of the time, but
this is something that occurs and more and more young women,
mostly come out saying that something occurred. Now you can
either let that define you and control who you are,
or you can understand in context that there are bad
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people that make bad decisions, but that your body and
your beauty and your womanhood and all those things have
wonderful things and attributes unto themselves, separate from someone misusing
them or applying them in an ugly way. And so
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if there's something that's keeping you or making you feel
ugly or making you not want to be intimate as
far as building a relationship with somebody, I'm talking about
emotional intimacy, not physical, then I think that's worthy of
looking at. And you're how old now, Ruth.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I'm ashamed. I'm pretty old for this.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
All this, you don't have to don't be ashamed of
any of it. There's no there's no time limit on things.
It just helps. How old are you? Okay, you're thirty
seven and uh, and that's not too old for anything.
This is a matter of you understanding where you where
you are, and you've obviously noticed that men have noticed
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you before in the past, right, Okay, So it's not
that that you feel ugly, but something's keeping you from
finding that connection, and I'm very happy to hear that
at least there's another there's a professional involved that's really
going over these things with you, because we're looking from
it that the truth the scriptural standpoint, and the scriptural
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standpoint says that you should go to the person you're
concerned with. In this case, it's a it's a leader
in a church, so you were to go to there,
bring them before the authority of the church. And to
make this clear. And if there's parts of your life
where you feel broken and that you're working through, I
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need you to continue to work on those, but you
can't use those as excuses. In scripture, Paul says that
when I was a child, I acted like a child
and I spoke as a child. As an adult, I
act and speak as an adult. There are things that
happened to you as a child that do leave impressions
for the rest of your life. But how you deal
with them now you are an adult, and how you
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deal with them and where you place them in your
life and how you how you utilize them to move
you forward is what's important. And I'm sorry that you
had something so horrible happened to you when you were younger.
I'm sorry that you have a family that's broken, but
I want you to know that you were not alone.
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That the world is filled with dysfunctional families. And you
know what God calls dysfunctional families, families, They're all dysfunctional.
Every family has problems because they're made up of human
beings that make mistakes, that are fighting diligently to grow
up and to understand life to the best of their ability.
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And not everybody does it right, and people are still
working through that. But right now it's about you, and
what I want to impart to you, Ruth, as you
continue down this journey of learning about yourself is be
honest about everything, no excuses, and just because you didn't
do it right then doesn't mean that you can't move
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forward doing it right. Go to the church, tell them
what happened, Explain how it all went down, and stand
on the truth. That is the best you can do
in any situation, Ruth. And as the situation progresses or
anything comes of it, please give us a call back.
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I just want you to be honest with yourself and
be very introspective because I'm confident that you can grow
through this situation. As you go through it if you
allow it. It's tough to call in, and I'll give
you that, it really is to come, especially with hard issues,
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I mean even theological issues. The thought of asking questions,
people often will keep them to themselves. And so whenever
you call up, I'm proud of you. Whenever you call
up and with either question, I'm proud of you. So
I know that it takes something to do that. But
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what I ask of you is to be honest in
all accounts, whether it's intellectually honest or emotionally honest or
these things. That's where you're going to get the most
out of our discussion, the most out of the program,
the most out of your situation life. And it's very
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important to come from that standpoint. Things will happen to
you in life. It's unfortunate. You can be a wonderful driver,
never you can be a teetotaler, Never touch alcohol, have it,
never pass your lips and get hit by a drunk driver.
There are a lot of sharp corners on this planet
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Earth that can hurt you. That's life. It's sickening to
think that innocent children or young people can be hurt
by people they trust. Adults and things like that. But
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life is a process of many things, both good and bad,
and really what it's about is how you react to them.
There's all kinds of things that happen in your life.
There's all kinds of things that are part of the
attributes of who you are emotionally, psychologically, physically, And you
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are a compilation of all these things, your experiences, who
you are, how you've been raised, what your core makeup
is all of those things, and you use them to
the best of your ability, to do right in life,
to glorify God, to not harm others, to love not
when it's easy, but to love at all times. And
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when I hear a call like that where someone was
hurt and then they've gotten now they're older and they're
going through a situation as well, you can see how
there's patterns that build up in life. And there are
certain places where you continue to hide behind or push beyond.
And so I want across the board you to be
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thinking about the things in your life where when they
happen to you, whether it's something at work or in
a relationship, think about how many times you'll hide rather
than confront, and see what you're doing, not just what
the other person's doing, but to say, how does this
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affect me? What's the right thing to do, the genuinely
right thing to do, the good thing, the thing that
would glorify God. And it's sometimes not going to be
easy to push yourself to that place. But trust me,
as we spoke about earlier, it is ultimately easier than
trying to live lies or defend the indefensible or any
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of those things. And the more you bring honesty into
your life, the healthier it will be. Abe Lincoln is
quoted often is saying that if you don't tell any lies,
you'll never have to remember anything. It's all true. You
just say what the truth is. I have to remember, well,
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I told them I was going to be here, I
was gonna be there. And if you live that your way,
your life that way, you'll find that it's much easier
than bobbing and weaving at everything that comes in your path.
So I encourage you to be introspective and always do
what is just Remember, more importantly than all everything going
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on in the world today are these simple words. I
Am with you always, KFI am sixty on demand
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I like.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
The way this show goes every week to have the
opportunity to talk about these things and open up the
dialogue when you can always tell when someone's asking how
someone asks the question as to what answer they want.
And so that's all I was pointing out when I
asked the denomination, just so you know, because as questions
(00:35):
are asked in reverse, well this is I just want
to point those things out so people know where the
agenda lies. Now. I think it was a heartfelt question
as well, and I think that it's an important question
and a lot of confusion. Keep in mind, you have
broke the commandments, if you remember in scripture I tell
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you that it's not if you murder somebody, if you
even think about it, you've broken the commandment. It says
in scripture that I did not come to abolish, but
to fulfill, and that is often misunderstood, meaning that you
can push them away. Now. The Ten Commandments are still
important and still play a part in your life, absolutely,
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but make no mistake, you have broken all of them.
They are broken. That was the purpose for my death,
that you could not live by them. If you wanted
to that even the Jewish standards of our Jewish brothers
and sisters two thousand years ago were not up to
the standard of God. By way of the Christian view,
that says, if you even think about it, you've done it.
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In the Ten Commandment, it talks at ten Commandments, it
talks about uh, remembering the Sabbath day and keeping it holy.
Christians currently do not celebrate the Sabbath. It does not
mean they don't remember it. It does not mean they
don't keep but holy. It means that the celebration of
church and worship and praise is primarily not always I'm
(02:09):
done on the Lord's Day, which is Sunday, not the
Sabbath which is Saturday. They don't contradict each other. It
doesn't contradict scripture. What it's saying is that the laws
are not followed. The Ten Commandments have been broken. I
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came died on the cross.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
So that.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Those that believe can have eternal life and be covered
in those laws. The spirit of the law supersedes the
law itself, which is why I said, if you even
think about it, because you are breaking the spirit of
the law. So when you get lost in the laws themselves.
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It becomes idolatry, which breaks the laws because now you
are worshiping the law and not what God's purpose was
and the reasons for the law. For instance, there are
orphans who cannot honor their parents. There are people that
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have grown up in households where their parents were horrible
to them. They cannot honor their mother and father. Is
that breaking the commandment? Absolutely not, because the commandment is
about honorable parents as well as it's about honoring them.
So in context, what happens is when people are looking
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at the law in a way that is outside of
general Christian theology, is you miss the fact that the
purpose of the law was to point out the fact
that humans couldn't live by the law if they really
wanted to. Therefore, God came in the form of man
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and died on the cross only way they would be fulfilled.
That's what's being pointed out.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Now.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
If someone wants to worship on the Sabbath, there's no
problem with that. There's absolutely no problem with that. If
it becomes a stickler as to whether you're a Christian
or not, then there's a problem because then it becomes
about worshiping the day and not worshiping God, and then
you're into idolatry, and then you're you've broken the commandments again.
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All make no mistake, all of the commandments have been
broken by you and the person next to you. You
may look and say, well, you know, I haven't committed
adultery and I've never murdered. That's not the point. The
point is about the spirit of the law. For instance,
(05:07):
the law in your town, and the speed limit may
be fifty five on the highway, whatever it is, that
law is not more important than the purpose of the law,
which is saving lives. That is the purpose of it.
So if you start being rigid and worshiping the speed
(05:27):
limit and saying I can only drive fifty five on
this road, it may not be a problem for you,
But if your law enforcement or you're a firefighter or
an emergency response team, there will be a problems. Life's
will be lost by you sticking to that law because
you're not looking at the spirit of the law. The
(05:48):
spirit of the law and the importance of the Sabbath
was to take time for yourself and God, to not
work yourself to the bone, and to have that time
with God. After my death on the cross, and the
fulfillment of those laws, the practice of remembering the Sabbath
(06:09):
becomes different, and now the application of worship lies on
the Lord's Day. For most Christians. You can see this
in scripture in the Book of Acts. In the early Church,
there were times where they worship midweek. So just as
I said in Scripture that if you're you know, if
(06:34):
there is a need, a physical need to help one
of your animals or what have you, on the Sabbath,
you do it. Why Because Sabbath was made for the man,
not man made for the Sabbath. And I know that
there are a lot of arguments that go out there
in the Church, and I think that's healthy to discuss them.
(06:57):
But really, when you read it in the context of
all the other verses that talked about the abolishment of
the law Romans three thirty one, that it's not about
making the law void because of faith. No, it's establishing
the law. It's fulfilling the law. Looking into the original languages,
(07:18):
you'll see that that means filled fully, not just fulfilled.
Makes it sound like, okay, it's done away with, but
filled fully. And I think those things are important to
the discussion of the dialogue because people get caught up
in that. And again, if you just start worshiping the
(07:39):
Sabbath or this is a mandate, then you're worshiping the law,
and that breaks the law. See it for what it is.
Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy. That's not diametrically
opposed to people worshiping on Sunday, not at all.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Jerome, Yeah, I'm trying to understand the purpose of the
attention of Christ. Okay, extention of his physical body.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Well, I mean there's a lot of different beliefs that
go into this, but quite simply, I came by way
of a miracle, virgin birth, and left by way of
a miracle. They were both significations of signs of who
I was and the changing of coming into the flesh.
(08:34):
So I'm in the flesh and I'm standing on this
earth and I'm doing my ministry. All very important, But
this is like showing now going to be home with
the Father, and that the limitations, of the physical limitations
that I had dealt with while on earth were being
lifted in sorts. So really, when you read about it
and you go through you know the concept of being
(08:58):
exalted and lifted into the heavens physically was an important
way of showing that the things that needed to be
done here on Earth dealing with my earthly ministry were finished,
were accomplished, and that I came in a supernatural and
(09:18):
powerful way being born to a virgin, and I left
in a supernatural and powerful way the beginning of my
time here on earth and the ending of my time
here on earth, and that was very, very important. Ruth,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hi, Hi, Ruth, Thanks
(09:41):
for holding on. How can I help you?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yes, in my life for what's going on?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yes, you are live?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Okay? Am I talking in Jesus Christ?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Well you sure are?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Oh wow, Okay, Yes, I'm bringing this, Ruth, and from
having your really hard time forgiving myself over portraying somebody's
CONCID You've betrayed.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
You betrayed, betrayed someone's confidence. Yes, they told you something
that they wanted you to keep secret, and you blurted
it out somewhere.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Basically, I'm a religious singer and I was getting construction
by somebody that had a very big pull on the
religious community, Okay. And there was a mutual attraction and
it wasn't maybe ethical, but attractions are something used to
select particularly and I expressed it to a congregant that
(10:42):
I shouldn't have at all.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
And why do you think you did that?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Now?
Speaker 1 (10:49):
First of all, or either of you married? He was,
he is, he's married, and you felt that there was
some attraction or connection between the two of you. Yeah,
did you feel that it made you look better that
he was attracted to you?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
You know, I really I can't believe I did that.
I don't understand the motivation I had for that, because
I see how destructive and stupid and foolish was I
don't know it was like this impulsive.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Moment that I had, It wasn't as impulsive as you think.
You thought about it. You understood the way to the situation,
and you did it anyway. So there's got to be
some motivation that was more powerful than that.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I don't know. I mean, honestly, I am trying to
figure out why did that. I not to excuse mental illness,
I am bipolar. If you come from a very ridiculously
dysfunctional family.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Very I mean, did you want people to know that
this guy thought you were attractive?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
There was something? It was more like I was sharing
this this heavy weight and I was.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I don't think so a weight. It really deals with
if there was a physical element there there there there
was no weight other than the fact that there was
this connection under the circumstances. It was, Hey, look what
what I'm doing? There was hold hold that thought for
just one moment. We'll come back in just a second
(12:26):
and talk more. We were chatting with Ruth. Ruth was
you know you're a singer in the church, Ruth.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yes, and and.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And this, uh, this other person, this man was a
member of the musicians as well in charge. Okay. So
he was in charge of the music ministry. Okay. And
you felt that you were having a connection with him,
but did not get physical.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
It wasn't a feeling. There was sheets for very explicit
things that I wasn't. I didn't have a problem with it.
I was.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
You sound like you were welcome, like you were flattered
by the experience.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I was. It was very flattered. I was. I was
very flattered by it.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Okay. And you gave into that flattery, and you probably
started responding in a way that you'd get more of it.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
So he told you that he was having feelings for you. Yeah, okay,
And the person that you told about this. You said
that you felt that you betrayed that confidence. There was
no confidence. He had betrayed confidence in his family. He
was married and in his church as he committed to
them as part of the ministry to put those kinds
(13:54):
of things behind him and not be a participant of them.
So he is doing the betrayal. Who did you tell?
Did you tell a friend there at the church?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Okay, how come you didn't go to the pastoral staff
and talk to the pastor.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I feel so guilty about anything.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Don't worry about guilt. That's that's the devil. It's not
about guilt. It's about doing that which is right and
finding out why you participated in this and why you
did the things you did. So don't worry about those things.
Why did you not.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
This person drastically runs that institution. This person, it's really
even though he's got one role there, he really is
very integral to that.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Okay, but why didn't you go to above his head?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
You know what he didn't want, but you.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Wanted to tell people about it. You didn't want to
tell the right people about it.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
It wasn't a complete what I revealed. It was I
I was proud of it. I was.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
It sounds like it. So let me ask you this,
Why were you proud of something like that? Why were
you proud of grabbing another man's eye from his wife?
Why would that make you proud?
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I wasn't proud of hurt a potential hurting of somebody else.
That wasn't the part I was proud of.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Well, that's part of it, because you're proud that you
that you could get something that someone else had. It
wasn't just I mean, he may be handsome, he may
be powerful, but even if.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
He weren't married, I would have been interested. It wasn't
like I'm gonna grab this married person. I mean, that
wasn't my motivation to say, because he's married, I'm going
to go after that part.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Well, but you're not a fool ruth yet. You knew
that your words could be damaging to him. Yet rather
than giving them to the person who deserves to know
in this case, it would either be his wife or
the pastor, I prefer the pastor first in this context
because there was no physical contact, correct, right? Okay, So
there was words that he expressed to you, and and
(16:11):
were those words explicit, Yes, okay. So were they would
you categorize them as dirty?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Okay? And so this would have been the appropriate time
to take that to the pastoral staff and say, hey,
I was approached this way. Not only is he a
leader in your church, but he's married. And it's made
me uncomfortable. And by the sounds of things when I
(16:40):
said that you were a singer, or that you were
in the the choir or what have you, you said
used to be what what ended up happening.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I don't want to go in all the details. I'm sorry,
but I'm sorry to sounds the diversion that what about
Martin and sarcin I mean, Martin.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Are you really going to start asking about Martin Luther King?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Well, she wasn't.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I'll tell you. I'll tell you what we'll do, Ruth.
We'll talk about Martin Luther King when he calls the program,
but right now it's you I calling. Don't look for excuses.
Don't look for excuses, Ruth, because what we're dealing with
right now is why you did what you did, because
you called okay. And my concern is that if you
(17:28):
make excuses and you dance around it and you don't
go down a path, you did specific things in this
This man isn't even calling me you are so right now,
what I have is you calling me saying that something
happened to you and you responded a certain way, and
I care about you, Ruth. I want to know why
you did what you did so that you can look
(17:50):
towards not doing it again, or not being falling prey
to a situation like that, or being a willing participant.
And really, what happened to you is someone did something
to you, and rather than you being aghast by the
situation and going to the leadership to protect the rest
of the flock, you thought that it was flattering and
(18:12):
you went and told a friend as if you were going, hey,
you know what, someone famous likes me, okay, and that,
to me is is incredibly unhealthy. Wouldn't you agree? I
guess no, because you wouldn't have called if you If
(18:35):
you didn't care about this, Ruth, then you're messed up.
If you didn't care and you blew it off and
it didn't you know, then there's a problem. But you called.
You were the one, as we say on the show
all the time, that was bold and brave and picked
up the phone so either you're calling to brag some more, okay,
or then you're then you're calling to understand it. So
(18:55):
let's understand it. What would make you want to tell
the wrong person rather than the right person about what
was going on?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I really wish I could let to tell you the motivation.
I mean, when was.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
The last time you were in a relationship of two
years or more?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
No? I never have been.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Okay, why do you think that you haven't been in
a relationship of two years or more?
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I'm in therapy, Okay. I come from a very seriously
cambaged family. Understood, Yeah I did. I was lusted as
a young child. Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
So that you think that that ties into why you
haven't had a healthy.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Relationship, I'm sure, but my therapist believes it could be.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
I would say that's a good probability. Yes, So these
are all things. These are all things that can be
looked at and that you can build strength out of
those weaknesses. Everyone has something that happens to them when
they're younger in a state of confusion. Molestation is the
(20:15):
most vulgar of those options most of the time, but
this is something that occurs and more and more young women,
mostly come out saying that something occurred. Now you can
either let that define you and control who you are,
or you can understand in context that there are bad
(20:35):
people that make bad decisions, but that your body and
your beauty and your womanhood and all those things have
wonderful things and attributes unto themselves, separate from someone misusing
them or applying them in an ugly way. And so
(20:58):
if there's something that's keeping you or making you feel
ugly or making you not want to be intimate as
far as building a relationship with somebody, I'm talking about
emotional intimacy, not physical, then I think that's worthy of
looking at. And you're how old now, Ruth.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I'm ashamed. I'm pretty old for this.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
All this, you don't have to don't be ashamed of
any of it. There's no there's no time limit on things.
It just helps. How old are you? Okay, you're thirty
seven and uh, and that's not too old for anything.
This is a matter of you understanding where you where
you are, and you've obviously noticed that men have noticed
(21:41):
you before in the past, right, Okay, So it's not
that that you feel ugly, but something's keeping you from
finding that connection, and I'm very happy to hear that
at least there's another there's a professional involved that's really
going over these things with you, because we're looking from
it that the truth the scriptural standpoint, and the scriptural
(22:03):
standpoint says that you should go to the person you're
concerned with. In this case, it's a it's a leader
in a church, so you were to go to there,
bring them before the authority of the church. And to
make this clear. And if there's parts of your life
where you feel broken and that you're working through, I
(22:25):
need you to continue to work on those, but you
can't use those as excuses. In scripture, Paul says that
when I was a child, I acted like a child
and I spoke as a child. As an adult, I
act and speak as an adult. There are things that
happened to you as a child that do leave impressions
for the rest of your life. But how you deal
with them now you are an adult, and how you
(22:47):
deal with them and where you place them in your
life and how you how you utilize them to move
you forward is what's important. And I'm sorry that you
had something so horrible happened to you when you were younger.
I'm sorry that you have a family that's broken, but
I want you to know that you were not alone.
(23:07):
That the world is filled with dysfunctional families. And you
know what God calls dysfunctional families, families, They're all dysfunctional.
Every family has problems because they're made up of human
beings that make mistakes, that are fighting diligently to grow
up and to understand life to the best of their ability.
(23:29):
And not everybody does it right, and people are still
working through that. But right now it's about you, and
what I want to impart to you, Ruth, as you
continue down this journey of learning about yourself is be
honest about everything, no excuses, and just because you didn't
do it right then doesn't mean that you can't move
(23:51):
forward doing it right. Go to the church, tell them
what happened, Explain how it all went down, and stand
on the truth. That is the best you can do
in any situation, Ruth. And as the situation progresses or
anything comes of it, please give us a call back.
(24:13):
I just want you to be honest with yourself and
be very introspective because I'm confident that you can grow
through this situation. As you go through it if you
allow it. It's tough to call in, and I'll give
you that, it really is to come, especially with hard issues,
(24:35):
I mean even theological issues. The thought of asking questions,
people often will keep them to themselves. And so whenever
you call up, I'm proud of you. Whenever you call
up and with either question, I'm proud of you. So
I know that it takes something to do that. But
(24:58):
what I ask of you is to be honest in
all accounts, whether it's intellectually honest or emotionally honest or
these things. That's where you're going to get the most
out of our discussion, the most out of the program,
the most out of your situation life. And it's very
(25:19):
important to come from that standpoint. Things will happen to
you in life. It's unfortunate. You can be a wonderful driver,
never you can be a teetotaler, Never touch alcohol, have it,
never pass your lips and get hit by a drunk driver.
There are a lot of sharp corners on this planet
(25:40):
Earth that can hurt you. That's life. It's sickening to
think that innocent children or young people can be hurt
by people they trust. Adults and things like that. But
(26:01):
life is a process of many things, both good and bad,
and really what it's about is how you react to them.
There's all kinds of things that happen in your life.
There's all kinds of things that are part of the
attributes of who you are emotionally, psychologically, physically, And you
(26:22):
are a compilation of all these things, your experiences, who
you are, how you've been raised, what your core makeup
is all of those things, and you use them to
the best of your ability, to do right in life,
to glorify God, to not harm others, to love not
when it's easy, but to love at all times. And
(26:48):
when I hear a call like that where someone was
hurt and then they've gotten now they're older and they're
going through a situation as well, you can see how
there's patterns that build up in life. And there are
certain places where you continue to hide behind or push beyond.
And so I want across the board you to be
(27:10):
thinking about the things in your life where when they
happen to you, whether it's something at work or in
a relationship, think about how many times you'll hide rather
than confront, and see what you're doing, not just what
the other person's doing, but to say, how does this
(27:31):
affect me? What's the right thing to do, the genuinely
right thing to do, the good thing, the thing that
would glorify God. And it's sometimes not going to be
easy to push yourself to that place. But trust me,
as we spoke about earlier, it is ultimately easier than
trying to live lies or defend the indefensible or any
(27:55):
of those things. And the more you bring honesty into
your life, the healthier it will be. Abe Lincoln is
quoted often is saying that if you don't tell any lies,
you'll never have to remember anything. It's all true. You
just say what the truth is. I have to remember, well,
(28:16):
I told them I was going to be here, I
was gonna be there. And if you live that your way,
your life that way, you'll find that it's much easier
than bobbing and weaving at everything that comes in your path.
So I encourage you to be introspective and always do
what is just Remember, more importantly than all everything going
(28:39):
on in the world today are these simple words. I
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