February 8, 2026 • 28 mins
Going to Church
The Significance of Head Coverings
Descriptive vs Prescriptive Language in The Bible
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI A six on demand. Jack, Welcome
to Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hello, good morning, Hi there so far, first time listener
to this radio program. It was referred to me during
a few of the podcast Los Angeles and tuning in
and so far, like in two things that I've heard
that I've been able to connect to you. One is
kind of the outside perimeter of what the church has
looked like versus the inside activity and behaviors when they're
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leaving there and away from there.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
And I'm finding.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Myself in a really good relationship at one point had
just some very deep friendship and a very long laughing
life with a pregnancy. Even though unmarried and in a
religious difference, there was still a very common ground there
and now that it's getting closer to first just kind
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of one and maybe an approach to have a religious
and non religious parents for weekend activity or daily activity
with church versus maybe working on a project at the house.
Both kind of have the same ending and meaning in life.
But I don't want to push my ground, and I
don't think that other that she would want to for
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sure stance of making somebody do this and that, So sure.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
This becomes difficult. So I'm assuming you're the one that's not.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I grew up on a very religious background. I understand
a lot of the U you know, just a lot
of Christianity that around it. My mom and family are
still very involved in the church at a very advanced level,
and so that part of that I get and I
see them do it where as an individual versus the group,
and then when I go into the group setting, maybe
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I don't care. I just don't get out of it.
I do as an individual.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Okay, what what?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
What?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Why do you think that is? Do you like any
other group activities?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
There's just you know, work activities and old personal hobbies
that I like to do with a golf group or
a tennis group, or just even a project hobby with
some friends and their kids, making little birdhouses or something
on the weekend, just.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Like working with your hands apparently. But why do you
think it's different when you're in a church.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Maybe because I see a lot, I hear all the
great ways of life, but I don't see it.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Okay, Well, think of it this way. If you're in
a garage and they're going to talk about all the
you know, great types of cars and how wonderful cars
are everything, But every car in that garage is being
worked on, so you're not going to see the cars
really souped up necessarily until they leave. Okay, So it's
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kind of maybe expectations are part of the problem there,
and what the function of the church is. I think
perception is very important and when you go in thinking
it's going to be one thing. Yeah, churches is a
turn off many times. Anyways, it just is it's a
really hard concept to swallow when you've got some imperfect
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guy or gal standing from the pulpit preaching or teaching something,
and all you can think and all people do is
kind of reflect off of this person and say, ah,
either they've got issues, or this person next to me
has issues and I'm not like that, or this just
seems phony. Up here comes the hat again. Now I'm
gotta throw more money in here, and they're gonna tell
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me twenty minutes as to why I need to put
money in here and all that. I get that there's
a lot of the crust of the experience that isn't
so wonderful. However, you get through that. There's a lot
of things that have that experience that you blow through
to get to the good. Whether it's going out to eat,
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whether it's going to an amusement park, whether I mean
you could go, oh the parking or all the lines
or that, but you get through it because there's a
benefit or a payoff there, and I would hate for
you to miss the benefit of the payoff just because
of the the barnacles of the experience.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I see the benefit of what we're doing with our kid,
and I just want to make sure that there's a
neutral approach to it and from just myself to respect
that because maybe I don't go, or I wouldn't go
every every Sunday, Like now I'm starting to see this
happening versus it never was a part of the relationship
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and now maybe so I still want to respect that,
but at the same time, I want to just kind
of keep my individual approach to it on a on
a Sunday afternoon and do something. I just want to
make sure that that's still good and should that be
respected from the religious side too, to see that what
I'm doing has the same impact with our child as
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going to church every Sunday. Well, there's nothing from the
religious sides of the Sure, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
There's all kinds of ways. Don't don't get stuck into
just the building with the your pretty windows. That's not
the point. It's not just about that structure there. There's
more to it.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Now.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I don't like hearing the term neutral when it comes
to raising the child. When you have to find neutral
ground in this sense, it really is neutral. Is is
like in a car, since we're on car analogies for
some reason today, it's not you're not going to move
forward or backward really unless the you're on a hill
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or something like that. And I don't think it's fair
to the child when you get to a place where
you really are wishy washy on things to try and
make everybody happy. I think you make a decision the
two of you as parents on how you're going to
kid and if if you're going to raise them without God,
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then rais them without God. If you're going to raise
them with God, raise them with God. But it kind
of neutral, weird, kind of I'd rather be home but
building a you know, a birdhouse than actually working on
his spiritual life or or the life or the child.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yes, no, yeah, yeah, you're right. The kid will be
raised with God, and I'm fine with that. I just
would think that on the mandating Christian side that there
would be a respect for maybe just let's go somewhere
for a family for a day and not no breakfast, no,
and race off to a religious group. Maybe we can
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have a day of independence with the family with the
same godly meaning.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yes, it's possible. I hear it in your voice. You
want to do everything you can to stay out of
that church. I understand that.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Well, because I see a church on the beach. I
see it group of fifty people on the beach, and
I think that's a great spiritual way to go learn
about God.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
It absolutely can, It absolutely can. But don't fall into
the fear. No, that's not a You can worship God
any way you see fit. You really can, and there
is a lot of leeway in scripture as to how
you worship, even which day you worship and all of
those things. However, it's like anything else, why are you
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doing it? And if you can really ask yourself that
question honestly and answer it honestly, then you'll find you
know as to what you're looking for. If you're just
looking for a church that's like less structured and that
doesn't have a lot of the you know, the stuff
you don't like. Fine, But if you're looking for a
church that you don't participate in, that you don't actually
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give money to, that you don't be a part of
in the sense of being part of the community, then
it's not a church. It's a group of people kind
of coming together. Maybe at best it's a Bible study.
And that's a different experience, just like you living on
it in a neighborhood is different than you living in
a house that's next to other houses. If you're not
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participating with your neighbors, you're not connecting with them. They
don't know who you are, you don't know who they are.
That's not a neighborhood. It's a house next to other houses. Okay.
So if you if you want to engage.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
A very there's a very good family here, and there
is a great neighborhood and it's a great upbringing for
a kid, and we both want the same things for
this kid.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
But you understand the analogy.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
No, I understand the analogy.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Okay, because if you don't get lost in just a
go somewhere that seems spiritual. Because I find that people
that really want to get away from so called organized
religion just don't want the accountability. And if that's the case,
then it misses, it brushes past everything of value in
the church.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Well that's what I'm a little bit of because I'm
I'm finding myself maybe making a mistake and then holding
myself accountable for it. But on on the other side
of it, I'm seeing her and she's admitting mistakes but
not making that attempt. And I'm just kind of on
a very patient ground right now.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
It's tough, isn't it when you not when you don't
see eye to eye spiritually, it's really tough to have
a child. You can ever without a child, everything's peachy keen,
but the minute you put a child into the equation,
it changes everything. And nobody listens to me when I tell.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Them that, no, it's it's a thing.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
It wasn't It was never an issue in our relationship.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
It was very well respected.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
And but now you're gambling with your child.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Yeah, now it's just different, and the religion thing isn't
really so much of the issue. Well it is, but
at the same time, there's the accountability of just being
honest and the friends that we were in the relationship
when we find ourselves in mistake mode, and that's where
I'm just you'll fight.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Well, there's just more at stake right now, Jack, And
in that process, you're gonna everyone's going to be holding
onto their own You're a smart guy, and you're an
honest guy. You're going to find the right thing. Just
be balanced and be aware of why you're doing what
you're doing and why you're not doing what you don't
want to do, and be honest with yourself first and
then with each other. Alfonso, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Good morning. I just want to start with saying I'm
a loyal listener and I really love your show every weekend.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Oh, thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
I appreciate it absolutely. Uh. I've been curious about something
and I and I wanted to call and ask about
the significance of the head coverings. Uh. Sometimes uh, you
know some religions where the where the you know, the
women cover their heads and they they don't and or
or some other religions where they where they were the
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the Yamica, and and then in occasions they don't. And
and I I've seen you know, other the bishops. On
a TV interview, he had a red one on I think,
you know, I just kind of I was, you know,
very curious about that, and I knew you were the
perfect one to call and ask, well.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
I appreciate that the head coverings, and well, we'll focus
on Christianity just because that's the purpose of the program,
but to broaden it, they all kind of go back
to the same place. It's a sign of respect. It's
a sign of respect and humility before God. So as
far as if you read First Corinthians eleven and you
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went through it, I know a lot of people will
read this and go, oh my gosh, that's you know,
the women have to wear head coverings. This is obviously
to make women lesser. No, no, it's actually quite beautiful.
And if you read on, it's not about an equality thing,
but about a structure thing and an importance to show
that there that the people of God were submissive towards God.
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And really a lot of things that were done early
on were done to separate our Jewish brothers and sisters,
and therefore early Christians from looking like pagans. The pagan
prostitutes would shave their heads and things like that. So
Christian women early in the early Christian Church would wear
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head coverings to separate themselves from looking like the prostitutes.
That's kind of focus on what the base of it
is always about respect, always about giving glory to God
and humility. Linda, Welcome to the Jesus Christia. Hi there,
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How may I help you?
Speaker 6 (12:35):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (12:36):
So basically my question is okay, So basically my question
is I don't understand how you're supposed to, I guess
interpret the Bible or read it basically like you know,
because I've heard a lot of it has to do
with symbolism, Like a lot of the stories and a
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lot of the versions and stuff are symbol And basically
my question is are you supposed.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
To read the Bible at face value? It is just
to take it at face value.
Speaker 7 (13:07):
And interpret every single word exactly for what it says.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
Or are you supposed to symbolize everything?
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Well?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
No, in the if you made everything a symbol, it
really doesn't mean anything. It takes the weight of the
entirety of the weight out of scripture. I'll tell you
it's quite easy, really, And here's a good trick for
you to use should you want to study scripture. Scripture
is very clear about explaining when something's a dream, it's
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very clear when something's a story. Every time that I
tell a story, I start by saying, I'm going to
tell you a story, or here's a parable. If that's
not being done, then the assumption it would be correct
to assume that it's to be taken literally. Now, not
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everything in the Bible is true. It's just true that
it was said and therefore put in the Bible. So
for instance, if the devil himself said there is no God,
but he was saying it on the Mount of Olives
or something in front of people or next to me,
for instance, he's standing next to Christ and he says it,
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it might get in scripture, but it doesn't mean that
it's true. So not everything is prescriptive or prescribed, and
it's important to see that. Sometimes scripture is just describing
something that took place, and this took place and you
should know about it, and the verse versus, like the
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Ten Commandments are prescriptive saying you should do these things
or you should not do these things, and that they're
two different ways. So there's many important parts of scripture
and any work of antiquity. Quite honestly, instance, if you
looked at Shakespeare. Shakespeare talks about some things that are true,
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some things that took place, but it's all fiction. It's
all written as theater, but doesn't mean he didn't use
real characters and things like that. Now, in scripture, it's
a historic account from the eyes of many of what
went on in certain times, and then put together because
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of the fact that they have similar content and a
similar conclusion and similar purpose. But to take something literal
when Christ himself says and here is a parable would
be silly. But it'd be equally as silly to make
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something where he doesn't say, this as a story and
it's not a parable, and to take that and make
it just, well, I'm gonna interpret interpret it as a
story because that's not the way it's said. So in
that in those context, it's important to understand what is
being said and why it's being said, and what the
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seeding of the discussion is. In scripture, you read before it,
you read after it, and you get a feel for it,
and in doing that, I think you get a better
idea of what scripture is. It's like, not just should
it be interpreted literally or symbolically. That's not fair because
that doesn't make any sense. Not everything in it is literal.
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It maybe literal that they said it, or maybe literal
that it was written down, but it's it's not literal
when I when I say in scripture it is easier
to get a camel through the eye of a needle
than it is to get a rich man into heaven.
That's absurdity, that's just that's trying to be that's actually
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being sarcastic. You can't get a camel through the eye
of a needle. And there are many who have believed, oh, well,
those gates at the front of the city that were
very small, and when they shut the big gates later
at night, if if you were traveling and had to
come in, you had to come by way these small
gates that they called the eye of the needle. None
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of that has been confirmed, even though I've seen it
in encyclopedia as before, and they've been wrong. So it
really was trying to fit a camel through the eye
of a needle, which is impossible. Yet you know, it's
not impossible to get a rich person into heaven. So
that wasn't being literal. The illustration was that it's quite
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difficult because people end up worshiping money and end up
focusing on that and losing sight of the things that
are important and real in their lives. So scripture, yes,
and many parts should be taken literally. When it says
thou shalt not murder, it means thou shalt not take
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the life of the innocent period. It's not a story
or anything like that, thankfully, because those ten commandments were
pretty much built into the very laws that you enjoy
in these United States. So having an understanding of those
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things and knowing when it's different in scripture is important
when it's just describing something, it's important to know that
when it's prescribing something you should do this or you
should not do that. That's important, and know where it
falls into context and what is trying to be said.
But absolutely it is in there, and there's no reason
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to take it and entirely symbolically because that doesn't make
sense either. And there's also times that I confirm things
that I would talk about them too, not saying, hey,
you remember that story, but go into it as if
it was the history that was taught, whether it be
Adam and Eve or things like that, and they get uh,
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they got prominence. As well. Sharon, Welcome to the Jesus
Christ Show.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
How can I help you?
Speaker 6 (19:27):
My neighbor and I were having a discussion. My husband
died four or four years ago. Her husband died four
years ago. Yes, we both were holding their hands when they.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Left us.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
I watched my husband for seven hours, well watched his eyes,
I watched his mouth, everything to see if I because
I knew he was leaving and I wanted to see
if they're with something different going to happen.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
It didn't.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
So neither one of us, and probably millions more would
like to know when when the life goes out of
the person, does their soul go to heaven? And when
the Bible says that at the end God will raise
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everyone up if their souls are already in heaven, does
that mean He's going to raise their their bodies out
of those out of that coffin.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Well, there's I would like to focus on the heaven
part because it's most important to somebody who has passed,
and pull and point towards some of those things, but
there's no need for The body is a vessel, it's ashes, dashes,
dust to dust. That's a carrier, and so the focus
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should be on what scripture says about the passing of someone.
And in Hebrews Hebrews, chapter nine, verse twenty seven, it says,
and inasmuch as it is appointed for man to die
once and after this comes judgment, very very simple.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Well.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Second Corinthians five eight also says, to be absent from
the body is to be present with the Lord. So yes,
to the god fearing person, to the believer, there with God.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
They immediately go with God. That's good.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, I would think so I would tend to agree.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Sounds like a great yeah. No need to stop, no
need to get Anderson's pea soup, no need to go
on a long drive anywhere, get gas, get snacks. Nothing.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
And uh want to know my husband's and I mean
his soul is him?
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Absolutely?
Speaker 6 (22:29):
And he is with God. That's all I care about.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
What a beautiful statement. In Second Corinthians five eight, to
be absent from the body is to be present with
the Lord.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Okay, you've answer my question.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Excellent, Well then you go in peace. You are very
very welcome. And that gets confusing and scary, and the
concept as to what's going on, and a lot of
it gets kind of complicated and theological, and that's of
interest to some, but some people just need that simple
verse to move them along that way and to go
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into peace. When sometimes that hits in such a way
that it's like, well, what's going on and what is happening?
The end time stuff and the raising of the it
gets into a whole muddy mess of stuff that I
prefer we talk about it from time to time, but
on a case like this, to prefer to focus on
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the simplicity of that truth, because I think it's an
important one and also one that is kind of overlooked
in all the you know, the many versions of well
this is what happens, and this is what happens, and
just stick with that beauty. To be absent from the
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body is to be present with the Lord. Wendy, Welcome
to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
Jesus, thank you you are my Lord and Savior. And
I praise your holy name.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Oh praise God. Thanks for calling.
Speaker 8 (24:14):
I was raised in a conservative Southern Baptist church and
I still hold those values and belief And it's regarding music.
I'm a musician. I love all types of music. I
love opera, classical, I love what's that ghetto rap.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
I love every.
Speaker 8 (24:33):
Type of music, every type of music that there is,
but I believe that there's maybe more okay, well being
being raised with the hymns, the old hymns like great
is Thy faithfulness? And when the when the role is called,
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there's a different vibration, a frequency that is I don't know,
placed up on your soul. I can't see you see.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Now you're getting into metaphysics, and that might be a
problem too.
Speaker 8 (25:14):
Well. Okay, Let's say somebody has has like sexual sin, okay,
and they go to a striper bar and they watch
those girls on the pole. If there was opera playing
or hymns, I don't think that they would be into
it because I think it's.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I listen to me for a second. I don't think they'd.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
Care who's they know.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Those that are in the strip joint, they're not going
there to see naked women and some cool jams. They're
going there to see naked women. The association between certain
music and certain vibes, Yes, of course, there are certain
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things that you have to be in the mood for.
There is no evil music. There are evil words, there's
evil intent, but there is not one. Okay, let's uh,
maybe an e minor is a little dark, but there's
no there's no such thing as an evil note.
Speaker 8 (26:27):
Okay, but wait, wait, what about like Highway to Hell?
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Okay, that's that's a lyric. That's a lyric. And I
will tell you this, I'll go even a little further
with you that if you put the actual contents of
scripture into lyrics, with the best reality and the rape
and the multiple partners, you wouldn't be able to listen
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to it. Then either, even though it's straight out of
the Bible. The Bible, i will tell you, is the filthiest,
most violent book that you will come across. It's not
prescriptive that way. It's describing that these things took place.
Speaker 8 (27:13):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
So then we have to look at scripture the same way,
or outside of scripture the same way. Any music, is
it being prescriptive or is it describing something? We play
a lot of secular music on the show for that
very reason, because a lot of it is describing how
they believe, either Christians believe, or the confusion they have
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in life, or the frustrations they have in life. And
that's okay. Now, if it's telling you to go out
and commit a sacrifice. If it's telling you go out
and take a life. If it's telling you to go
out and do these things, then yes there's a problem.
If it's describing them, you have to have the sense
of an old cow and eat the hay and leave
the sticks. That's the key in life altogether. Just because
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you don't like something doesn't make it evil. I know
Christians have gotten to a place where where they're very
comfortable in letting, in putting their stamp of disapproval on everything.
But I assure you, as they point to all these
movies and songs, that the scripture is at the top
of the list on what you wouldn't want to see
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and wouldn't want to hear about if it was accurate
in a song or in a movie. Kf I am
six forty on demand
You're listening to KFI A six on demand. Jack, Welcome
to Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hello, good morning, Hi there so far, first time listener
to this radio program. It was referred to me during
a few of the podcast Los Angeles and tuning in
and so far, like in two things that I've heard
that I've been able to connect to you. One is
kind of the outside perimeter of what the church has
looked like versus the inside activity and behaviors when they're
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leaving there and away from there.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
And I'm finding.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Myself in a really good relationship at one point had
just some very deep friendship and a very long laughing
life with a pregnancy. Even though unmarried and in a
religious difference, there was still a very common ground there
and now that it's getting closer to first just kind
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of one and maybe an approach to have a religious
and non religious parents for weekend activity or daily activity
with church versus maybe working on a project at the house.
Both kind of have the same ending and meaning in life.
But I don't want to push my ground, and I
don't think that other that she would want to for
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sure stance of making somebody do this and that, So sure.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
This becomes difficult. So I'm assuming you're the one that's not.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I grew up on a very religious background. I understand
a lot of the U you know, just a lot
of Christianity that around it. My mom and family are
still very involved in the church at a very advanced level,
and so that part of that I get and I
see them do it where as an individual versus the group,
and then when I go into the group setting, maybe
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I don't care. I just don't get out of it.
I do as an individual.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Okay, what what?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
What?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Why do you think that is? Do you like any
other group activities?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
There's just you know, work activities and old personal hobbies
that I like to do with a golf group or
a tennis group, or just even a project hobby with
some friends and their kids, making little birdhouses or something
on the weekend, just.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Like working with your hands apparently. But why do you
think it's different when you're in a church.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Maybe because I see a lot, I hear all the
great ways of life, but I don't see it.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Okay, Well, think of it this way. If you're in
a garage and they're going to talk about all the
you know, great types of cars and how wonderful cars
are everything, But every car in that garage is being
worked on, so you're not going to see the cars
really souped up necessarily until they leave. Okay, So it's
(02:55):
kind of maybe expectations are part of the problem there,
and what the function of the church is. I think
perception is very important and when you go in thinking
it's going to be one thing. Yeah, churches is a
turn off many times. Anyways, it just is it's a
really hard concept to swallow when you've got some imperfect
(03:18):
guy or gal standing from the pulpit preaching or teaching something,
and all you can think and all people do is
kind of reflect off of this person and say, ah,
either they've got issues, or this person next to me
has issues and I'm not like that, or this just
seems phony. Up here comes the hat again. Now I'm
gotta throw more money in here, and they're gonna tell
(03:40):
me twenty minutes as to why I need to put
money in here and all that. I get that there's
a lot of the crust of the experience that isn't
so wonderful. However, you get through that. There's a lot
of things that have that experience that you blow through
to get to the good. Whether it's going out to eat,
(04:02):
whether it's going to an amusement park, whether I mean
you could go, oh the parking or all the lines
or that, but you get through it because there's a
benefit or a payoff there, and I would hate for
you to miss the benefit of the payoff just because
of the the barnacles of the experience.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I see the benefit of what we're doing with our kid,
and I just want to make sure that there's a
neutral approach to it and from just myself to respect
that because maybe I don't go, or I wouldn't go
every every Sunday, Like now I'm starting to see this
happening versus it never was a part of the relationship
(04:44):
and now maybe so I still want to respect that,
but at the same time, I want to just kind
of keep my individual approach to it on a on
a Sunday afternoon and do something. I just want to
make sure that that's still good and should that be
respected from the religious side too, to see that what
I'm doing has the same impact with our child as
(05:05):
going to church every Sunday. Well, there's nothing from the
religious sides of the Sure, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
There's all kinds of ways. Don't don't get stuck into
just the building with the your pretty windows. That's not
the point. It's not just about that structure there. There's
more to it.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Now.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I don't like hearing the term neutral when it comes
to raising the child. When you have to find neutral
ground in this sense, it really is neutral. Is is
like in a car, since we're on car analogies for
some reason today, it's not you're not going to move
forward or backward really unless the you're on a hill
(05:44):
or something like that. And I don't think it's fair
to the child when you get to a place where
you really are wishy washy on things to try and
make everybody happy. I think you make a decision the
two of you as parents on how you're going to
kid and if if you're going to raise them without God,
(06:04):
then rais them without God. If you're going to raise
them with God, raise them with God. But it kind
of neutral, weird, kind of I'd rather be home but
building a you know, a birdhouse than actually working on
his spiritual life or or the life or the child.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yes, no, yeah, yeah, you're right. The kid will be
raised with God, and I'm fine with that. I just
would think that on the mandating Christian side that there
would be a respect for maybe just let's go somewhere
for a family for a day and not no breakfast, no,
and race off to a religious group. Maybe we can
(06:46):
have a day of independence with the family with the
same godly meaning.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yes, it's possible. I hear it in your voice. You
want to do everything you can to stay out of
that church. I understand that.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Well, because I see a church on the beach. I
see it group of fifty people on the beach, and
I think that's a great spiritual way to go learn
about God.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
It absolutely can, It absolutely can. But don't fall into
the fear. No, that's not a You can worship God
any way you see fit. You really can, and there
is a lot of leeway in scripture as to how
you worship, even which day you worship and all of
those things. However, it's like anything else, why are you
(07:30):
doing it? And if you can really ask yourself that
question honestly and answer it honestly, then you'll find you
know as to what you're looking for. If you're just
looking for a church that's like less structured and that
doesn't have a lot of the you know, the stuff
you don't like. Fine, But if you're looking for a
church that you don't participate in, that you don't actually
(07:51):
give money to, that you don't be a part of
in the sense of being part of the community, then
it's not a church. It's a group of people kind
of coming together. Maybe at best it's a Bible study.
And that's a different experience, just like you living on
it in a neighborhood is different than you living in
a house that's next to other houses. If you're not
(08:14):
participating with your neighbors, you're not connecting with them. They
don't know who you are, you don't know who they are.
That's not a neighborhood. It's a house next to other houses. Okay.
So if you if you want to engage.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
A very there's a very good family here, and there
is a great neighborhood and it's a great upbringing for
a kid, and we both want the same things for
this kid.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
But you understand the analogy.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
No, I understand the analogy.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Okay, because if you don't get lost in just a
go somewhere that seems spiritual. Because I find that people
that really want to get away from so called organized
religion just don't want the accountability. And if that's the case,
then it misses, it brushes past everything of value in
the church.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Well that's what I'm a little bit of because I'm
I'm finding myself maybe making a mistake and then holding
myself accountable for it. But on on the other side
of it, I'm seeing her and she's admitting mistakes but
not making that attempt. And I'm just kind of on
a very patient ground right now.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
It's tough, isn't it when you not when you don't
see eye to eye spiritually, it's really tough to have
a child. You can ever without a child, everything's peachy keen,
but the minute you put a child into the equation,
it changes everything. And nobody listens to me when I tell.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Them that, no, it's it's a thing.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
It wasn't It was never an issue in our relationship.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
It was very well respected.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
And but now you're gambling with your child.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Yeah, now it's just different, and the religion thing isn't
really so much of the issue. Well it is, but
at the same time, there's the accountability of just being
honest and the friends that we were in the relationship
when we find ourselves in mistake mode, and that's where
I'm just you'll fight.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Well, there's just more at stake right now, Jack, And
in that process, you're gonna everyone's going to be holding
onto their own You're a smart guy, and you're an
honest guy. You're going to find the right thing. Just
be balanced and be aware of why you're doing what
you're doing and why you're not doing what you don't
want to do, and be honest with yourself first and
then with each other. Alfonso, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Good morning. I just want to start with saying I'm
a loyal listener and I really love your show every weekend.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Oh, thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
I appreciate it absolutely. Uh. I've been curious about something
and I and I wanted to call and ask about
the significance of the head coverings. Uh. Sometimes uh, you
know some religions where the where the you know, the
women cover their heads and they they don't and or
or some other religions where they where they were the
(10:55):
the Yamica, and and then in occasions they don't. And
and I I've seen you know, other the bishops. On
a TV interview, he had a red one on I think,
you know, I just kind of I was, you know,
very curious about that, and I knew you were the
perfect one to call and ask, well.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
I appreciate that the head coverings, and well, we'll focus
on Christianity just because that's the purpose of the program,
but to broaden it, they all kind of go back
to the same place. It's a sign of respect. It's
a sign of respect and humility before God. So as
far as if you read First Corinthians eleven and you
(11:32):
went through it, I know a lot of people will
read this and go, oh my gosh, that's you know,
the women have to wear head coverings. This is obviously
to make women lesser. No, no, it's actually quite beautiful.
And if you read on, it's not about an equality thing,
but about a structure thing and an importance to show
that there that the people of God were submissive towards God.
(11:52):
And really a lot of things that were done early
on were done to separate our Jewish brothers and sisters,
and therefore early Christians from looking like pagans. The pagan
prostitutes would shave their heads and things like that. So
Christian women early in the early Christian Church would wear
(12:14):
head coverings to separate themselves from looking like the prostitutes.
That's kind of focus on what the base of it
is always about respect, always about giving glory to God
and humility. Linda, Welcome to the Jesus Christia. Hi there,
(12:34):
How may I help you?
Speaker 6 (12:35):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (12:36):
So basically my question is okay, So basically my question
is I don't understand how you're supposed to, I guess
interpret the Bible or read it basically like you know,
because I've heard a lot of it has to do
with symbolism, Like a lot of the stories and a
(12:57):
lot of the versions and stuff are symbol And basically
my question is are you supposed.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
To read the Bible at face value? It is just
to take it at face value.
Speaker 7 (13:07):
And interpret every single word exactly for what it says.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
Or are you supposed to symbolize everything?
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Well?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
No, in the if you made everything a symbol, it
really doesn't mean anything. It takes the weight of the
entirety of the weight out of scripture. I'll tell you
it's quite easy, really, And here's a good trick for
you to use should you want to study scripture. Scripture
is very clear about explaining when something's a dream, it's
(13:41):
very clear when something's a story. Every time that I
tell a story, I start by saying, I'm going to
tell you a story, or here's a parable. If that's
not being done, then the assumption it would be correct
to assume that it's to be taken literally. Now, not
(14:01):
everything in the Bible is true. It's just true that
it was said and therefore put in the Bible. So
for instance, if the devil himself said there is no God,
but he was saying it on the Mount of Olives
or something in front of people or next to me,
for instance, he's standing next to Christ and he says it,
(14:23):
it might get in scripture, but it doesn't mean that
it's true. So not everything is prescriptive or prescribed, and
it's important to see that. Sometimes scripture is just describing
something that took place, and this took place and you
should know about it, and the verse versus, like the
(14:44):
Ten Commandments are prescriptive saying you should do these things
or you should not do these things, and that they're
two different ways. So there's many important parts of scripture
and any work of antiquity. Quite honestly, instance, if you
looked at Shakespeare. Shakespeare talks about some things that are true,
(15:05):
some things that took place, but it's all fiction. It's
all written as theater, but doesn't mean he didn't use
real characters and things like that. Now, in scripture, it's
a historic account from the eyes of many of what
went on in certain times, and then put together because
(15:28):
of the fact that they have similar content and a
similar conclusion and similar purpose. But to take something literal
when Christ himself says and here is a parable would
be silly. But it'd be equally as silly to make
(15:48):
something where he doesn't say, this as a story and
it's not a parable, and to take that and make
it just, well, I'm gonna interpret interpret it as a
story because that's not the way it's said. So in
that in those context, it's important to understand what is
being said and why it's being said, and what the
(16:11):
seeding of the discussion is. In scripture, you read before it,
you read after it, and you get a feel for it,
and in doing that, I think you get a better
idea of what scripture is. It's like, not just should
it be interpreted literally or symbolically. That's not fair because
that doesn't make any sense. Not everything in it is literal.
(16:34):
It maybe literal that they said it, or maybe literal
that it was written down, but it's it's not literal
when I when I say in scripture it is easier
to get a camel through the eye of a needle
than it is to get a rich man into heaven.
That's absurdity, that's just that's trying to be that's actually
(16:56):
being sarcastic. You can't get a camel through the eye
of a needle. And there are many who have believed, oh, well,
those gates at the front of the city that were
very small, and when they shut the big gates later
at night, if if you were traveling and had to
come in, you had to come by way these small
gates that they called the eye of the needle. None
(17:16):
of that has been confirmed, even though I've seen it
in encyclopedia as before, and they've been wrong. So it
really was trying to fit a camel through the eye
of a needle, which is impossible. Yet you know, it's
not impossible to get a rich person into heaven. So
that wasn't being literal. The illustration was that it's quite
(17:38):
difficult because people end up worshiping money and end up
focusing on that and losing sight of the things that
are important and real in their lives. So scripture, yes,
and many parts should be taken literally. When it says
thou shalt not murder, it means thou shalt not take
(18:02):
the life of the innocent period. It's not a story
or anything like that, thankfully, because those ten commandments were
pretty much built into the very laws that you enjoy
in these United States. So having an understanding of those
(18:26):
things and knowing when it's different in scripture is important
when it's just describing something, it's important to know that
when it's prescribing something you should do this or you
should not do that. That's important, and know where it
falls into context and what is trying to be said.
But absolutely it is in there, and there's no reason
(18:48):
to take it and entirely symbolically because that doesn't make
sense either. And there's also times that I confirm things
that I would talk about them too, not saying, hey,
you remember that story, but go into it as if
it was the history that was taught, whether it be
Adam and Eve or things like that, and they get uh,
(19:09):
they got prominence. As well. Sharon, Welcome to the Jesus
Christ Show.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
How can I help you?
Speaker 6 (19:27):
My neighbor and I were having a discussion. My husband
died four or four years ago. Her husband died four
years ago. Yes, we both were holding their hands when they.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Left us.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
I watched my husband for seven hours, well watched his eyes,
I watched his mouth, everything to see if I because
I knew he was leaving and I wanted to see
if they're with something different going to happen.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
It didn't.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
So neither one of us, and probably millions more would
like to know when when the life goes out of
the person, does their soul go to heaven? And when
the Bible says that at the end God will raise
(20:31):
everyone up if their souls are already in heaven, does
that mean He's going to raise their their bodies out
of those out of that coffin.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Well, there's I would like to focus on the heaven
part because it's most important to somebody who has passed,
and pull and point towards some of those things, but
there's no need for The body is a vessel, it's ashes, dashes,
dust to dust. That's a carrier, and so the focus
(21:14):
should be on what scripture says about the passing of someone.
And in Hebrews Hebrews, chapter nine, verse twenty seven, it says,
and inasmuch as it is appointed for man to die
once and after this comes judgment, very very simple.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Well.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Second Corinthians five eight also says, to be absent from
the body is to be present with the Lord. So yes,
to the god fearing person, to the believer, there with God.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
They immediately go with God. That's good.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, I would think so I would tend to agree.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Sounds like a great yeah. No need to stop, no
need to get Anderson's pea soup, no need to go
on a long drive anywhere, get gas, get snacks. Nothing.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
And uh want to know my husband's and I mean
his soul is him?
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Absolutely?
Speaker 6 (22:29):
And he is with God. That's all I care about.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
What a beautiful statement. In Second Corinthians five eight, to
be absent from the body is to be present with
the Lord.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Okay, you've answer my question.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Excellent, Well then you go in peace. You are very
very welcome. And that gets confusing and scary, and the
concept as to what's going on, and a lot of
it gets kind of complicated and theological, and that's of
interest to some, but some people just need that simple
verse to move them along that way and to go
(23:11):
into peace. When sometimes that hits in such a way
that it's like, well, what's going on and what is happening?
The end time stuff and the raising of the it
gets into a whole muddy mess of stuff that I
prefer we talk about it from time to time, but
on a case like this, to prefer to focus on
(23:32):
the simplicity of that truth, because I think it's an
important one and also one that is kind of overlooked
in all the you know, the many versions of well
this is what happens, and this is what happens, and
just stick with that beauty. To be absent from the
(23:54):
body is to be present with the Lord. Wendy, Welcome
to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
Jesus, thank you you are my Lord and Savior. And
I praise your holy name.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Oh praise God. Thanks for calling.
Speaker 8 (24:14):
I was raised in a conservative Southern Baptist church and
I still hold those values and belief And it's regarding music.
I'm a musician. I love all types of music. I
love opera, classical, I love what's that ghetto rap.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
I love every.
Speaker 8 (24:33):
Type of music, every type of music that there is,
but I believe that there's maybe more okay, well being
being raised with the hymns, the old hymns like great
is Thy faithfulness? And when the when the role is called,
(24:57):
there's a different vibration, a frequency that is I don't know,
placed up on your soul. I can't see you see.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Now you're getting into metaphysics, and that might be a
problem too.
Speaker 8 (25:14):
Well. Okay, Let's say somebody has has like sexual sin, okay,
and they go to a striper bar and they watch
those girls on the pole. If there was opera playing
or hymns, I don't think that they would be into
it because I think it's.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I listen to me for a second. I don't think they'd.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
Care who's they know.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Those that are in the strip joint, they're not going
there to see naked women and some cool jams. They're
going there to see naked women. The association between certain
music and certain vibes, Yes, of course, there are certain
(26:09):
things that you have to be in the mood for.
There is no evil music. There are evil words, there's
evil intent, but there is not one. Okay, let's uh,
maybe an e minor is a little dark, but there's
no there's no such thing as an evil note.
Speaker 8 (26:27):
Okay, but wait, wait, what about like Highway to Hell?
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Okay, that's that's a lyric. That's a lyric. And I
will tell you this, I'll go even a little further
with you that if you put the actual contents of
scripture into lyrics, with the best reality and the rape
and the multiple partners, you wouldn't be able to listen
(26:53):
to it. Then either, even though it's straight out of
the Bible. The Bible, i will tell you, is the filthiest,
most violent book that you will come across. It's not
prescriptive that way. It's describing that these things took place.
Speaker 8 (27:13):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
So then we have to look at scripture the same way,
or outside of scripture the same way. Any music, is
it being prescriptive or is it describing something? We play
a lot of secular music on the show for that
very reason, because a lot of it is describing how
they believe, either Christians believe, or the confusion they have
(27:36):
in life, or the frustrations they have in life. And
that's okay. Now, if it's telling you to go out
and commit a sacrifice. If it's telling you go out
and take a life. If it's telling you to go
out and do these things, then yes there's a problem.
If it's describing them, you have to have the sense
of an old cow and eat the hay and leave
the sticks. That's the key in life altogether. Just because
(28:01):
you don't like something doesn't make it evil. I know
Christians have gotten to a place where where they're very
comfortable in letting, in putting their stamp of disapproval on everything.
But I assure you, as they point to all these
movies and songs, that the scripture is at the top
of the list on what you wouldn't want to see
(28:23):
and wouldn't want to hear about if it was accurate
in a song or in a movie. Kf I am
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