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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. Merry
Christmas to you. I hope you are with family and friends,
and if you are alone for some reason, know that
I am with you always. And there are a lot
of people that feel different things about the holidays and
brings up painful memories or frustrations or separations between people
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who were once in your life. I assure you you're
not alone for sure during this time. There are others
that are feeling that pain as well. It's one of
the reasons why we do this Christmas Eve special every
Christmas Eve to remind you of that. If you have
a question dealing with theology or God or religion, or
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you're going through something, give me a call. Eight hundred
five to zero one five three four, eight hundred five
to zero one five three four. Harry, Welcome to the
Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
I'm well, Harry? How are you pretty good?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I was just I don't know if you sa.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I couldn't believe what I saw and read in the
New York Times yesterday, what they said about you and
how you were conceived. Let me guess a Roman soldier.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yes, yes, what is what is that. Why would I
don't get it?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Well, it's not news. It goes back to a second
century pagan named Celsus who had pitched that concept. There
were some very ugly things that were done by the
Roman Empire. Roman soldiers would do things that has been
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common in times of war and the like, and one
of which would be take advantage of their power over
men and women under the circumstances. And the thought has
been perpetuated that maybe that is the possibility and where
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it comes from. So New York Times, which is what
a news source, you know, should do, look at these things.
From time to time, they kind of look at this
and see if there's evidence for it. One of the
things is that they start to break down theologically, Well,
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what do you know, Well, Mark is the earliest gospel written,
they say, they talk about Matthew and Luke basically just
revising it. Now, there's a lot of leaps that need
to be taken in that statement alone. But when they
look at that, they go back and say that Mark
has nothing that claims virgin birth. Even though a scripture
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is taken as a whole, it's not just one book.
It's taken the sixty six plus books written over a
span of many years, in many different languages and three
different continents, times of war and times of peace. So
in this particular case, they're setting up an argument based
on something that has to be presupposed before you can
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get started, and that is that you can wipe away, Matthew,
you can wipe away and goes straight to Mark, and
Mark doesn't mention the virgin birth the way it does
talk about me and Mark as it uses the term
Jesus son of Mary. Now you're talking about a very
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patriarchal society, especially then Harry. And with that, the assumption
is if a father is not named, then of course
that means that there was no father that was known.
So there's a lot of things that you have to
presuppose on this to come to that conclusion. But there
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is nothing historical. There is not the evidence. Certainly there
is more evidence on the contrary.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
So in.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Logic and reason, there's something called Akham's razor, and that
is the most likely answer is the best answer. And
when you have all these writings that say this is
the path and this is what took place, and you
want to throw another variable, and I can understand why,
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because the virgin birth is hard to swallow. Now, the
assumption there would be, well, if there is a God
and that God created all things, and really, you know,
virgin birth is not that big of a deal. However,
in the world, you look at that, you say, okay,
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well that's the sticking point. So that's the problem. Must
try and solve that problem, not to look and see
well that was there evidence, Were there things that talked
about this or was there evidence. There's also you know,
argumentation as to whether this was talked about in what
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Christians referred to as the Old Testament. So this along
with the Talmud and statements made in the Talmud as well,
that people come to a conclusion that there's a possibility
that it was it was actually from a Roman soldier.
There's other beliefs in there as well that get tied
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into it. Meaning the words that are used in their
original language can cause interesting confusion. The Roman soldier's name
was Pantera and could be pronounced Panthera, and the word
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in the Greek for virgin is parthenos. So there are
some that believe that maybe there was confusion at some
point when the story was being passed down or talked.
But again you have to jump to a there's a
lot of jumping to conclusions to try and say, well,
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this didn't take place, this took place. But I know
it can be upsetting Harry to believers that when they
read these stories in the newspaper that it feels like
they focus primarily on Christianity. I would say that most
likely they would not do a story like this on
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Islam or anything like that. But who knows. But in
this particular case, it is something worth discussing. You can
read the article and poke holes in it yourself if
you'd like, But that's the whole thing. Scripture says to
test all things, hold fast that which is true. So
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it's okay to test things. It's okay to poke, and
it's completely reasonable for the world to do that. As
a matter of fact, I encourage them to. I think
that you should be able to defend your faith. You
should be able to answer questions. Now there are those
with simple faith, and that's fine too, But you know what,
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maybe you need to be tested. Then you need to
do some studying. And this is the way God is
encouraging you to crack open the old book and also
use the mind that it gave you to be reasonable
about these things. But I know it feels like, Wow,
Christianity takes shots all the time, and you know part
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of that is is rightly so because of people that
have misutilized, misused the name of Christianity, misused my name.
You know, preachers and teachers and liars and con men
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and women and the like, you know, do things in
my name. It causes a lot of problems. People in
the United States have taken politics and tried to shuffle
that deck with Christianity, unfortunately, and then it's perceived as
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being something it's not. It's perceived as being political when
it's not. This causes people to want to take shots
at it. Natural Rosie, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Hi Jesus, thank you for picking up the phone answering
my call. Old school, of course, you fill into the phone.
I love that. I'm really enjoying listening to you today
and learning more about you. I feel like I'm kind
of study on my knowledge about you. I do love
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your kindness that's really coming through today, and I love
how you're so kind to everyone out there. So that's
that's but I'm trying to fill into things. Okay, so
I know about Day Jesus, you know, Christmas and talladega
knights and all that kind of thing. I know about
Easter Jesus, But what are you doing like when you
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were a kid? Like a child and a teenager, I
don't hear much about have a tried hard enough?
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Let's clear up the Ricky Bobby theology. I didn't have
a golden diaper. That's number one. But I will tell
you as you go through scripture, there are you think
of it? You know this time of year, you know,
or as you have some people write family letters, like
a little newsletters to what their family's up to, and
it's like, oh so and so graduated from this, or
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so and so is doing this, or what have you. Well,
they don't say every day we woke up, we ate breakfast.
It's the highlights, right. So you have to understand that
scripture has a purpose. It has a narrative. It's pushing
a narrative, and it has a purpose in things that
are not important to that purpose are important to the book.
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So of course there's all kinds of things that took place.
There's also a reference that's very interesting, as people will
refer to anything prior to my age of thirty, as
in the carpentry shop, meaning that doing things that weren't
that exciting necessarily and certainly didn't have anything to do
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with theology. So when you go to Luke two forty
one through fifty two, you see a reference of me
being twelve, and then you don't hear much of anything
until I'm baptized at the age of thirty. So the
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assumption is wrongfully is that there that something that these
are lost years in between there? What happened to those years?
What happened?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I just wonder about like the character building, like how
did you, you know, get to be you?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Well, that's the thing is you're dealing with two different things,
one hundred percent God and one hundred percent man. So
what is referred to as the hypostatic union or those
two things coming together in one being. So the questions
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always have to be asked twice. As God, there is
no character building. God is fully actualized as human. Yeah,
you have to learn to walk, you have to do
all those things because the body is a progressive. It's
not fully actualized. It is a progression. It is learning,
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but it's not like as God, I was learning, So
separating these things become difficult for one. For two, there
are people that try and force another narrative in there
that I went to India to learn or I went
somewhere else. But really, if you read through scripture, it
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talks about in Luke twenty five fifty one and in
Luke two fifty one. Rather it says that I was
being obede to my parents during that time, which meant
I had a very normal childhood. In that particular case,
I was learning the art of building. And although some
people say, you know, carpenter, you're making chairs or what
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have you, Really the likelihood in the context is most
is probably building homes. So in that particular case, there
are some that have written extra biblical writings that are
not considered biblical, like the Gospel of Thomas, for example,
as one of them that might have stories about my youth,
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but none of them have been accredited in the same
way other scripture has. And it's not just willy nilly
that we like this one we don't like that one.
There's certain things that make criteria to make something canon
in scripture versus non canon or speculative or apocryphal, that
type of thing. So really there is nothing specifically other
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than a normal childhood. As a matter of fact, when
the first miracle takes place at the wedding at Cana,
you you hear a conversation written down in scripture of
me with Mary, my mother, and she says, gosh, this
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there's this thing going on. This family's going to be embarrassed.
They've invited the old town which was accustomed to a wedding,
and you were supposed to feed them for however long
it lasted, sometimes weeks at a time, these weddings would last.
She comes to me and she says, they're going to
be embarrassed and there's going to be all you know,
it's actually more than just embarrassment, and you know, they're
running out of wine and the like. And I say,
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you know, don't you know that I am to be
about my you know, it is not yet my time, right,
and so the what was going to take place there
is a change of my purpose. And from there on
you hear just about everything going on. So here when
I'm twelve, because that's important, that deals with me being
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the son of God talking about being part of my
father's business. So that's the first part that you see
in scripture, and that's talked about when I'm twelve years
old and I'm there in the temple, and then it's
kind of silent because I'm in the carpentry shop basically.
And then it picks up again at my first miracle
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at the age of thirty. So then the narration of
the story is leaning towards understanding my deity, not my flesh.
So really that's the flesh part, is those years just
working in the carpentry shop and not important to the
story which talks about the deity and salvation. Amy, Welcome
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to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yes, sorry, sorry, but okay, Hi Jesus Christ. Thank you
so much. First of all, thank you for your show,
and thank you for being available to so many thousands,
thousands of people that need to hear a lot of hope.
But I my question is is I grew up in
a Christian home my whole life. My dad was a pastor,
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and I was brought up that you know, you marry
Christian and that's what you do. And now my son
is getting engaged during this holiday season to actually someone
who lives very far away and does not know the Lord.
And I'm just really struggling with trying to celebrate what's
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going on with him, trying to support him, but also
speaking truth to him. Is I know that I should
because you know I need You know, I've raised him
in the ways of the Lord. But now I'm struggling
with how to read act to this, because I want
to be happy for him, and I want to celebrate
and I want to love her to the Lord. But
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at the same time, I'm struggling with, you know, what
to say to him, and how to react and how
Jesus would want me to react.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Well, there's a couple of things that you said that
are important. You said you raised him in the ways
of the Lord, and you said you were raised in
the ways of the Lord, so you gave him the tools,
and you've passed those along to him. But as a
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creature of free will, he's not walking into this ignorant.
He's making a decision. And the way God has set
things up with free will and allowing his children to
make decisions themselves, this is the natural course. Your son knows.
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It's you know, a lot of people think that all
of this everything comes down to knowing or not knowing,
but really it comes to acceptance or rejection, and for
whatever reason, he's rejecting that part for now. And love
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is a very powerful thing. Emotions are very intense. It's
been said that that's why God put the head above
the heart for a reason, so that you could hopefully
think through these things, but not everybody does. The producer
of this program, Neil, is married to a non belief
and there's certainly things that need to be thought about,
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one of which would be if you have children, how
will they be raised? And you know, with respect mutual
respect for people's beliefs would be a key thing. But
your job to love your child doesn't change because of
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their actions. You're still commanded to do that. And rejecting
something that may be a tough decision or make things
put strain on your son's life is one thing. But
rejecting your child is not an option. This is not
somebody who's going down a dangerous path. It is a
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path that is more difficult and you don't know how
it's going to be used. But you gave your son
the tools and now it's his turn to take those
tools and utilize them. And it has He claimed to
be a person of faith himself.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yes, Okay, he does, but he says, you know, I,
you know, his walk is not as strong as it
should be. I think, I'm you know, I do worry
sometimes about like the reaction of the family and there,
you know, and I can't think of that. But you're right,
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he's my son, and I do want to support him,
and I want to love. I want to love this
girl like you know Naomi loved Ruth, like Ruth came from,
you know, not not where Naomi came from. I I
I hear it in the Bible. I see it, and
I know our kids have to make these choices, and
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I want to live that that love. And I don't
want to be influenced by the Church and the Christians
that are frowning on me and my son, and I
just I want to rise above that because I I
know that's what is right, but I don't know why
it feels so wrong because of the way I was
raised in the church. If that makes any sense, it.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Does, because that's Churchyanity, that's not your walk. I love
how the church constantly says, oh, it's about your personal
walk with Jesus unless unless they have their big nose
in it, so it's not about rebellion. You know, it's
people say, well, okay, well what would Jesus do? You
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know what I did? You know what I did with
the rebellious, my rebellious children. You know what I did
with those that turned themselves from God. I died for them.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
He loved them, He provided and and died. Yeah, he loved,
provided and died.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
And I'm not gonna I'm not going to give in
even to the feeling of what I was raised in
and what I was told, because you know, I married
when I wasn't walking with the Lord, and I did struggle,
but we struggled together, and I didn't have the support
of my parents, and.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
It felt horrible.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
It felt it felt like it was just so wrong.
And I don't want to make that mistake. I don't
want to pass that down because of the church, even
though you know that's all you hear. Of course you
hear that, because, like you said, that is the better road.
But I know that God's going to still meet him
and that they're going to make those choices, and I
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want to be that support. So I'm thankful that your
answer is exactly what I knew in my heart. But
when you're you know, going against sometimes the law instead
of the heart of God. It's a fight, and it's
a fight that I think that we all have to
overcome and just really choose that love before law.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
You're absolutely right. What did I say when people said,
if I came to abolish the law, I said, I
didn't come to abolish the law. I came to fulfill it.
The law is fulfilled.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
The law as last.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, all of that, it's fulfilled.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
You.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
You couldn't do it if you wanted to. But you
are absolutely right in not passing that along to your child.
You know the pain that you hurt. You be an example.
You show as a living example, not telling. That's the
lazy way. People want to tell others what to do
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because they don't want to do the hard work, which
is showing them what to do by being a great example.
You love her, you love your son, and you hate
bad decisions, and you guide say, oh gosh, you know,
while I'm here for you if you need this whatever.
But you are called to being a loving mom and
that's what you shall do. And it's not if people go, well,
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you're condoning. No, you're being a loving mom. This is
what you were called to, and that is to love
your son Amy, and you go in peace with that,
and you prayerfully be an example, and all your son
will get from it is that my mom is so
Godly that she would never reject me from my decisions.
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She will love me through them and allow me to
reap whatever consequences may come from them. And that could
be difficulty and not be there to be I told
you so, or any of that, just to be there
to love him. Merry Christmas to you. I hope you
are with family and friends, with good food and good
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conversation as you connect over the holidays, and hopefully spend
some time thinking about what the season means where you
are in your faith. And if you aren't a person
of faith, well that's fine too. But being curious in
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life and asking questions and being willing to poke and
to try and understand something is always a benefit to
anybody's growth. You have a question, you can give me
a call, whether it's a theology question or a life
situation question. Anywhere in the US of a dilate one
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hundred five to zero one five three four. That's eight
hundred five to zero one five three four. Stella, welcome
to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Hi, thank you for having me my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
How can I help?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
I was just wondering how does one navigate being young
and not feeling like they're messing up all the time.
I can't seem to get a grip on it.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
How old a person are you? I'm twenty You think
you mess up all the time?
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Yeah, I when I was applying to college, I could
have gone anywhere. I rejected my dream school for a
school that I had to put on pause because they
have so many housing problems. And I started a business
and I've lost more money than I've made, and I
just feel like I can't get on a good path
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no matter how hard I tried.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Well, I hate to be the one to tell you, Stella,
but you're obviously a failure at twenty bye, I knew it.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I knew it.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Just confirmation, not information, Stella. This you're talking about growth.
Decisions have consequences. Now you've read yeah, that's just the
way things go. But that is part of growth. Did
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your parents say that your first step you started running
and get a marathon and no, you fell on your face.
You fell on your fanny and your face and you
got up, and Scripture talks about this and says that
a righteous person is not someone who doesn't fall, but
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it's someone who falls seven times and seven times gets up.
And it's not literally seven times a number of perfection
that's used in Scripture three seven. These are numbers that
show up a lot, and it means you know, at infinitum.
That's the whole point is you're going to fall now.
You want to make the best decisions you can, and
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you want to think through things. So let's bring up
one of the ones that you mentioned up. You mentioned
about schooling, So why did you pass up your dream school?
Speaker 4 (27:50):
I applied everywhere, wanting to be a surgeon, and after
a big life moment in my senior year of high school,
I realize that might not be the path I want
to take. So I instead of going to NYU and
spending a lot of money, although it would have been great,
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I chose to go to UCSB and change my major
to film and started working more in the media, which
is something I've been immersed in my whole life and
I love it. But I had to take a step
back because there's not enough housing for all the kids
that are there, and I just feel like I keep
making bad decision after bad decision. When I love getting
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my education and I love the field that I'm in,
it's just a struggle sometimes.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Your poor parents, wow, surgeon to going to film school.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
I know, I know, such a disappointment.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
You could have buried them by telling them you wanted
to get into communications. But good for you. It is
just stepping it up to film. There's a lot of
good that.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
Can be done in media, and it's it's a it's
a tough business, as you know. I you know, for
for the time that we have, there's not a lot
of time that we can delve into all of that,
but there is you said, there was something that moved
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you to make that decision. These things are going to
happen in life, and it's going to be your job,
Stella to know the difference between them being you know,
gas or you know something powerful in your life. And
it's not to say that one is going to be
better than the other. The world may tell you that
while a surgeon's obviously better in many ways, it is
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there's a there's a lot of nobility in that. But
maybe that doesn't won't jive with your future self. Maybe
that won't jive with other plans that you have, whether
it's a family or whether whatever may be. So it's
not that there's a bad decision when things are morally neutral,
meaning you're you're not going, gosh, I want to go
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into I don't know, I want to be a hit
person and I want to you know, get into that,
and I want to kill people for a living. Now
that you could look at and say, okay, that's not good.
But the other things are kind of morally neutral. Depends
what you make of it. If you want to do
good films that inspire and create art, that's a wonderful thing.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
So there's not one. There is not a right or
a wrong there. It depends what your life is going
to be. So that's not messing up, which is your
original reason for the call. That's not messing up. You're
making choices, and the consequences of the choices may make
your life a little more difficult in the interim right now,
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But having failing businesses, you go look up some of
your heroes, whoever they may be business heroes, and I
guarantee Stella, that every single one of them has failed
businesses in their back background. Now what you don't want
to do is do that willy nilly to the point
where you are constantly throwing your life savings away. But
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you have to believe in yourself and you have to
believe in what you're doing. There's ways to do it with,
you know, other people's money, sometimes people that have built
wealth in a way that they can lose it or
that it won't be as taxing on them. There's all
kinds of things you can learn from that process. But
it doesn't sound like you're messing up. It sounds like
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you are growing up and you're experimenting with life, and
there's going to be pitfalls, and there's going to be
mountains and valleys, and that's the normal part of life.
So the only thing that makes them bad is if
you don't learn from them. KFI AM six forty on
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demand
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. Merry
Christmas to you. I hope you are with family and friends,
and if you are alone for some reason, know that
I am with you always. And there are a lot
of people that feel different things about the holidays and
brings up painful memories or frustrations or separations between people
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who were once in your life. I assure you you're
not alone for sure during this time. There are others
that are feeling that pain as well. It's one of
the reasons why we do this Christmas Eve special every
Christmas Eve to remind you of that. If you have
a question dealing with theology or God or religion, or
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you're going through something, give me a call. Eight hundred
five to zero one five three four, eight hundred five
to zero one five three four. Harry, Welcome to the
Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
I'm well, Harry? How are you pretty good?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I was just I don't know if you sa.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I couldn't believe what I saw and read in the
New York Times yesterday, what they said about you and
how you were conceived. Let me guess a Roman soldier.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yes, yes, what is what is that. Why would I
don't get it?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Well, it's not news. It goes back to a second
century pagan named Celsus who had pitched that concept. There
were some very ugly things that were done by the
Roman Empire. Roman soldiers would do things that has been
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common in times of war and the like, and one
of which would be take advantage of their power over
men and women under the circumstances. And the thought has
been perpetuated that maybe that is the possibility and where
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it comes from. So New York Times, which is what
a news source, you know, should do, look at these things.
From time to time, they kind of look at this
and see if there's evidence for it. One of the
things is that they start to break down theologically, Well,
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what do you know, Well, Mark is the earliest gospel written,
they say, they talk about Matthew and Luke basically just
revising it. Now, there's a lot of leaps that need
to be taken in that statement alone. But when they
look at that, they go back and say that Mark
has nothing that claims virgin birth. Even though a scripture
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is taken as a whole, it's not just one book.
It's taken the sixty six plus books written over a
span of many years, in many different languages and three
different continents, times of war and times of peace. So
in this particular case, they're setting up an argument based
on something that has to be presupposed before you can
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get started, and that is that you can wipe away, Matthew,
you can wipe away and goes straight to Mark, and
Mark doesn't mention the virgin birth the way it does
talk about me and Mark as it uses the term
Jesus son of Mary. Now you're talking about a very
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patriarchal society, especially then Harry. And with that, the assumption
is if a father is not named, then of course
that means that there was no father that was known.
So there's a lot of things that you have to
presuppose on this to come to that conclusion. But there
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is nothing historical. There is not the evidence. Certainly there
is more evidence on the contrary.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
So in.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Logic and reason, there's something called Akham's razor, and that
is the most likely answer is the best answer. And
when you have all these writings that say this is
the path and this is what took place, and you
want to throw another variable, and I can understand why,
(04:50):
because the virgin birth is hard to swallow. Now, the
assumption there would be, well, if there is a God
and that God created all things, and really, you know,
virgin birth is not that big of a deal. However,
in the world, you look at that, you say, okay,
(05:12):
well that's the sticking point. So that's the problem. Must
try and solve that problem, not to look and see
well that was there evidence, Were there things that talked
about this or was there evidence. There's also you know,
argumentation as to whether this was talked about in what
(05:33):
Christians referred to as the Old Testament. So this along
with the Talmud and statements made in the Talmud as well,
that people come to a conclusion that there's a possibility
that it was it was actually from a Roman soldier.
There's other beliefs in there as well that get tied
(05:57):
into it. Meaning the words that are used in their
original language can cause interesting confusion. The Roman soldier's name
was Pantera and could be pronounced Panthera, and the word
(06:19):
in the Greek for virgin is parthenos. So there are
some that believe that maybe there was confusion at some
point when the story was being passed down or talked.
But again you have to jump to a there's a
lot of jumping to conclusions to try and say, well,
(06:40):
this didn't take place, this took place. But I know
it can be upsetting Harry to believers that when they
read these stories in the newspaper that it feels like
they focus primarily on Christianity. I would say that most
likely they would not do a story like this on
(07:02):
Islam or anything like that. But who knows. But in
this particular case, it is something worth discussing. You can
read the article and poke holes in it yourself if
you'd like, But that's the whole thing. Scripture says to
test all things, hold fast that which is true. So
(07:24):
it's okay to test things. It's okay to poke, and
it's completely reasonable for the world to do that. As
a matter of fact, I encourage them to. I think
that you should be able to defend your faith. You
should be able to answer questions. Now there are those
with simple faith, and that's fine too, But you know what,
(07:46):
maybe you need to be tested. Then you need to
do some studying. And this is the way God is
encouraging you to crack open the old book and also
use the mind that it gave you to be reasonable
about these things. But I know it feels like, Wow,
Christianity takes shots all the time, and you know part
(08:08):
of that is is rightly so because of people that
have misutilized, misused the name of Christianity, misused my name.
You know, preachers and teachers and liars and con men
(08:31):
and women and the like, you know, do things in
my name. It causes a lot of problems. People in
the United States have taken politics and tried to shuffle
that deck with Christianity, unfortunately, and then it's perceived as
(08:51):
being something it's not. It's perceived as being political when
it's not. This causes people to want to take shots
at it. Natural Rosie, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Hi Jesus, thank you for picking up the phone answering
my call. Old school, of course, you fill into the phone.
I love that. I'm really enjoying listening to you today
and learning more about you. I feel like I'm kind
of study on my knowledge about you. I do love
(09:29):
your kindness that's really coming through today, and I love
how you're so kind to everyone out there. So that's
that's but I'm trying to fill into things. Okay, so
I know about Day Jesus, you know, Christmas and talladega
knights and all that kind of thing. I know about
Easter Jesus, But what are you doing like when you
(09:52):
were a kid? Like a child and a teenager, I
don't hear much about have a tried hard enough?
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Let's clear up the Ricky Bobby theology. I didn't have
a golden diaper. That's number one. But I will tell
you as you go through scripture, there are you think
of it? You know this time of year, you know,
or as you have some people write family letters, like
a little newsletters to what their family's up to, and
it's like, oh so and so graduated from this, or
(10:24):
so and so is doing this, or what have you. Well,
they don't say every day we woke up, we ate breakfast.
It's the highlights, right. So you have to understand that
scripture has a purpose. It has a narrative. It's pushing
a narrative, and it has a purpose in things that
are not important to that purpose are important to the book.
(10:47):
So of course there's all kinds of things that took place.
There's also a reference that's very interesting, as people will
refer to anything prior to my age of thirty, as
in the carpentry shop, meaning that doing things that weren't
that exciting necessarily and certainly didn't have anything to do
(11:08):
with theology. So when you go to Luke two forty
one through fifty two, you see a reference of me
being twelve, and then you don't hear much of anything
until I'm baptized at the age of thirty. So the
(11:31):
assumption is wrongfully is that there that something that these
are lost years in between there? What happened to those years?
What happened?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I just wonder about like the character building, like how
did you, you know, get to be you?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Well, that's the thing is you're dealing with two different things,
one hundred percent God and one hundred percent man. So
what is referred to as the hypostatic union or those
two things coming together in one being. So the questions
(12:08):
always have to be asked twice. As God, there is
no character building. God is fully actualized as human. Yeah,
you have to learn to walk, you have to do
all those things because the body is a progressive. It's
not fully actualized. It is a progression. It is learning,
(12:32):
but it's not like as God, I was learning, So
separating these things become difficult for one. For two, there
are people that try and force another narrative in there
that I went to India to learn or I went
somewhere else. But really, if you read through scripture, it
(12:53):
talks about in Luke twenty five fifty one and in
Luke two fifty one. Rather it says that I was
being obede to my parents during that time, which meant
I had a very normal childhood. In that particular case,
I was learning the art of building. And although some
people say, you know, carpenter, you're making chairs or what
(13:14):
have you, Really the likelihood in the context is most
is probably building homes. So in that particular case, there
are some that have written extra biblical writings that are
not considered biblical, like the Gospel of Thomas, for example,
as one of them that might have stories about my youth,
(13:35):
but none of them have been accredited in the same
way other scripture has. And it's not just willy nilly
that we like this one we don't like that one.
There's certain things that make criteria to make something canon
in scripture versus non canon or speculative or apocryphal, that
type of thing. So really there is nothing specifically other
(13:58):
than a normal childhood. As a matter of fact, when
the first miracle takes place at the wedding at Cana,
you you hear a conversation written down in scripture of
me with Mary, my mother, and she says, gosh, this
(14:18):
there's this thing going on. This family's going to be embarrassed.
They've invited the old town which was accustomed to a wedding,
and you were supposed to feed them for however long
it lasted, sometimes weeks at a time, these weddings would last.
She comes to me and she says, they're going to
be embarrassed and there's going to be all you know,
it's actually more than just embarrassment, and you know, they're
running out of wine and the like. And I say,
(14:41):
you know, don't you know that I am to be
about my you know, it is not yet my time, right,
and so the what was going to take place there
is a change of my purpose. And from there on
you hear just about everything going on. So here when
I'm twelve, because that's important, that deals with me being
(15:05):
the son of God talking about being part of my
father's business. So that's the first part that you see
in scripture, and that's talked about when I'm twelve years
old and I'm there in the temple, and then it's
kind of silent because I'm in the carpentry shop basically.
And then it picks up again at my first miracle
(15:28):
at the age of thirty. So then the narration of
the story is leaning towards understanding my deity, not my flesh.
So really that's the flesh part, is those years just
working in the carpentry shop and not important to the
story which talks about the deity and salvation. Amy, Welcome
(15:55):
to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yes, sorry, sorry, but okay, Hi Jesus Christ. Thank you
so much. First of all, thank you for your show,
and thank you for being available to so many thousands,
thousands of people that need to hear a lot of hope.
But I my question is is I grew up in
a Christian home my whole life. My dad was a pastor,
(16:22):
and I was brought up that you know, you marry
Christian and that's what you do. And now my son
is getting engaged during this holiday season to actually someone
who lives very far away and does not know the Lord.
And I'm just really struggling with trying to celebrate what's
(16:46):
going on with him, trying to support him, but also
speaking truth to him. Is I know that I should
because you know I need You know, I've raised him
in the ways of the Lord. But now I'm struggling
with how to read act to this, because I want
to be happy for him, and I want to celebrate
and I want to love her to the Lord. But
(17:07):
at the same time, I'm struggling with, you know, what
to say to him, and how to react and how
Jesus would want me to react.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Well, there's a couple of things that you said that
are important. You said you raised him in the ways
of the Lord, and you said you were raised in
the ways of the Lord, so you gave him the tools,
and you've passed those along to him. But as a
(17:37):
creature of free will, he's not walking into this ignorant.
He's making a decision. And the way God has set
things up with free will and allowing his children to
make decisions themselves, this is the natural course. Your son knows.
(18:07):
It's you know, a lot of people think that all
of this everything comes down to knowing or not knowing,
but really it comes to acceptance or rejection, and for
whatever reason, he's rejecting that part for now. And love
(18:27):
is a very powerful thing. Emotions are very intense. It's
been said that that's why God put the head above
the heart for a reason, so that you could hopefully
think through these things, but not everybody does. The producer
of this program, Neil, is married to a non belief
and there's certainly things that need to be thought about,
(18:51):
one of which would be if you have children, how
will they be raised? And you know, with respect mutual
respect for people's beliefs would be a key thing. But
your job to love your child doesn't change because of
(19:15):
their actions. You're still commanded to do that. And rejecting
something that may be a tough decision or make things
put strain on your son's life is one thing. But
rejecting your child is not an option. This is not
somebody who's going down a dangerous path. It is a
(19:43):
path that is more difficult and you don't know how
it's going to be used. But you gave your son
the tools and now it's his turn to take those
tools and utilize them. And it has He claimed to
be a person of faith himself.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yes, Okay, he does, but he says, you know, I,
you know, his walk is not as strong as it
should be. I think, I'm you know, I do worry
sometimes about like the reaction of the family and there,
you know, and I can't think of that. But you're right,
(20:26):
he's my son, and I do want to support him,
and I want to love. I want to love this
girl like you know Naomi loved Ruth, like Ruth came from,
you know, not not where Naomi came from. I I
I hear it in the Bible. I see it, and
I know our kids have to make these choices, and
(20:46):
I want to live that that love. And I don't
want to be influenced by the Church and the Christians
that are frowning on me and my son, and I
just I want to rise above that because I I
know that's what is right, but I don't know why
it feels so wrong because of the way I was
raised in the church. If that makes any sense, it.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Does, because that's Churchyanity, that's not your walk. I love
how the church constantly says, oh, it's about your personal
walk with Jesus unless unless they have their big nose
in it, so it's not about rebellion. You know, it's
people say, well, okay, well what would Jesus do? You
(21:32):
know what I did? You know what I did with
the rebellious, my rebellious children. You know what I did
with those that turned themselves from God. I died for them.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
He loved them, He provided and and died. Yeah, he loved,
provided and died.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
And I'm not gonna I'm not going to give in
even to the feeling of what I was raised in
and what I was told, because you know, I married
when I wasn't walking with the Lord, and I did struggle,
but we struggled together, and I didn't have the support
of my parents, and.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
It felt horrible.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
It felt it felt like it was just so wrong.
And I don't want to make that mistake. I don't
want to pass that down because of the church, even
though you know that's all you hear. Of course you
hear that, because, like you said, that is the better road.
But I know that God's going to still meet him
and that they're going to make those choices, and I
(22:31):
want to be that support. So I'm thankful that your
answer is exactly what I knew in my heart. But
when you're you know, going against sometimes the law instead
of the heart of God. It's a fight, and it's
a fight that I think that we all have to
overcome and just really choose that love before law.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
You're absolutely right. What did I say when people said,
if I came to abolish the law, I said, I
didn't come to abolish the law. I came to fulfill it.
The law is fulfilled.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
The law as last.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, all of that, it's fulfilled.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
You.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
You couldn't do it if you wanted to. But you
are absolutely right in not passing that along to your child.
You know the pain that you hurt. You be an example.
You show as a living example, not telling. That's the
lazy way. People want to tell others what to do
(23:36):
because they don't want to do the hard work, which
is showing them what to do by being a great example.
You love her, you love your son, and you hate
bad decisions, and you guide say, oh gosh, you know,
while I'm here for you if you need this whatever.
But you are called to being a loving mom and
that's what you shall do. And it's not if people go, well,
(23:59):
you're condoning. No, you're being a loving mom. This is
what you were called to, and that is to love
your son Amy, and you go in peace with that,
and you prayerfully be an example, and all your son
will get from it is that my mom is so
Godly that she would never reject me from my decisions.
(24:20):
She will love me through them and allow me to
reap whatever consequences may come from them. And that could
be difficulty and not be there to be I told
you so, or any of that, just to be there
to love him. Merry Christmas to you. I hope you
are with family and friends, with good food and good
(24:41):
conversation as you connect over the holidays, and hopefully spend
some time thinking about what the season means where you
are in your faith. And if you aren't a person
of faith, well that's fine too. But being curious in
(25:02):
life and asking questions and being willing to poke and
to try and understand something is always a benefit to
anybody's growth. You have a question, you can give me
a call, whether it's a theology question or a life
situation question. Anywhere in the US of a dilate one
(25:23):
hundred five to zero one five three four. That's eight
hundred five to zero one five three four. Stella, welcome
to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Hi, thank you for having me my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
How can I help?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
I was just wondering how does one navigate being young
and not feeling like they're messing up all the time.
I can't seem to get a grip on it.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
How old a person are you? I'm twenty You think
you mess up all the time?
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Yeah, I when I was applying to college, I could
have gone anywhere. I rejected my dream school for a
school that I had to put on pause because they
have so many housing problems. And I started a business
and I've lost more money than I've made, and I
just feel like I can't get on a good path
(26:19):
no matter how hard I tried.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Well, I hate to be the one to tell you, Stella,
but you're obviously a failure at twenty bye, I knew it.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I knew it.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Just confirmation, not information, Stella. This you're talking about growth.
Decisions have consequences. Now you've read yeah, that's just the
way things go. But that is part of growth. Did
(26:54):
your parents say that your first step you started running
and get a marathon and no, you fell on your face.
You fell on your fanny and your face and you
got up, and Scripture talks about this and says that
a righteous person is not someone who doesn't fall, but
(27:16):
it's someone who falls seven times and seven times gets up.
And it's not literally seven times a number of perfection
that's used in Scripture three seven. These are numbers that
show up a lot, and it means you know, at infinitum.
That's the whole point is you're going to fall now.
You want to make the best decisions you can, and
(27:37):
you want to think through things. So let's bring up
one of the ones that you mentioned up. You mentioned
about schooling, So why did you pass up your dream school?
Speaker 4 (27:50):
I applied everywhere, wanting to be a surgeon, and after
a big life moment in my senior year of high school,
I realize that might not be the path I want
to take. So I instead of going to NYU and
spending a lot of money, although it would have been great,
(28:12):
I chose to go to UCSB and change my major
to film and started working more in the media, which
is something I've been immersed in my whole life and
I love it. But I had to take a step
back because there's not enough housing for all the kids
that are there, and I just feel like I keep
making bad decision after bad decision. When I love getting
(28:36):
my education and I love the field that I'm in,
it's just a struggle sometimes.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Your poor parents, wow, surgeon to going to film school.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
I know, I know, such a disappointment.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
You could have buried them by telling them you wanted
to get into communications. But good for you. It is
just stepping it up to film. There's a lot of
good that.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
Can be done in media, and it's it's a it's
a tough business, as you know. I you know, for
for the time that we have, there's not a lot
of time that we can delve into all of that,
but there is you said, there was something that moved
(29:24):
you to make that decision. These things are going to
happen in life, and it's going to be your job,
Stella to know the difference between them being you know,
gas or you know something powerful in your life. And
it's not to say that one is going to be
better than the other. The world may tell you that
while a surgeon's obviously better in many ways, it is
(29:46):
there's a there's a lot of nobility in that. But
maybe that doesn't won't jive with your future self. Maybe
that won't jive with other plans that you have, whether
it's a family or whether whatever may be. So it's
not that there's a bad decision when things are morally neutral,
meaning you're you're not going, gosh, I want to go
(30:08):
into I don't know, I want to be a hit
person and I want to you know, get into that,
and I want to kill people for a living. Now
that you could look at and say, okay, that's not good.
But the other things are kind of morally neutral. Depends
what you make of it. If you want to do
good films that inspire and create art, that's a wonderful thing.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
So there's not one. There is not a right or
a wrong there. It depends what your life is going
to be. So that's not messing up, which is your
original reason for the call. That's not messing up. You're
making choices, and the consequences of the choices may make
your life a little more difficult in the interim right now,
(30:52):
But having failing businesses, you go look up some of
your heroes, whoever they may be business heroes, and I
guarantee Stella, that every single one of them has failed
businesses in their back background. Now what you don't want
to do is do that willy nilly to the point
where you are constantly throwing your life savings away. But
(31:15):
you have to believe in yourself and you have to
believe in what you're doing. There's ways to do it with,
you know, other people's money, sometimes people that have built
wealth in a way that they can lose it or
that it won't be as taxing on them. There's all
kinds of things you can learn from that process. But
it doesn't sound like you're messing up. It sounds like
(31:37):
you are growing up and you're experimenting with life, and
there's going to be pitfalls, and there's going to be
mountains and valleys, and that's the normal part of life.
So the only thing that makes them bad is if
you don't learn from them. KFI AM six forty on
(31:58):
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