November 18, 2024 • 30 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI six on demand. Dan, Welcome to
the Jesus Christia.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Good morning Jesus. You know, recently I've over the past years,
I've been reading a lot of physics books, and to
the contrary, brings me closer to the Lord understanding science. Sure,
my question is somewhere in the Bible, I think it's
Old Testament says you can search one end of the
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avenue to the other, and you will not find anything
like mankind. So I've kind of assume that this is it.
We're the people here on Earth. His all there is
into the universe, and the entire universe is for his glory.
I've read that before too, His creation is for his glory. Well,
my question is, if there were to be life on
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other planets, would Jesus, would you be out there dying
on the cross and resurrecting across the universe for other
people and other life that.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
You'd have to assume that. Now, you brought up a
lot of good points. First of all, you're you're right
out of the gates. You're right. Science and and faith
are not at odds. They work together, all truth being
God's truth. Uh. However, on top of that the concept
you you paraphrased, is that there's no place in scripture
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that allows for this kind of outside extraterrestrial world. Now,
I know a lot of people have problems with that
because of the sex appeal of the thought of extraterrestrials
and that type of thing. And and plus then you
put people's personal experiences, some that say they've been abducted,
and it causes you know, it's almost a religion unto itself.
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So although the curiosity is there and it's a fascinating topic,
that when you look at the scriptural foundation, you have
a hard you're you're hard pressed to try and fit
the two together. For a couple of reasons. It takes
away the specialness of humanity in many ways. Also, Hebrews
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two sixteen says, for assuredly he capital h speaking about
me does not give help to angels, but he gives
help to the descendants of Abraham speaking about humans. So
angels aren't saved. That's why when one third of Heaven left,
they stay gone. They can't change their mind or come
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back or be saved or any of that process, because
they're very different than humans in that sense. As far
as the amount of knowledge they have based on who
they are and how they were created. So that shows
that there is a difference between me coming as man
and saving man versus just me coming as a creature.
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In this case intellect, will and emotion. I said creature
because it's too mirror creation. So you can't just say, well,
it's going to cover everybody, because if they're different in
any way, like the angels are different, then it doesn't count.
The purpose was to come as a human to take
on the sins of humanity, so there's no way to
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get over that in scripture. And lastly, I will say,
on the scientific note, it's interesting that when you hear
a scientist talk about the mathematical probability of humanity existing
from an evolutionary standpoint, that you are talking about numbers,
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you know, sixteen zero zeros or more behind that concept,
which puts it actually it would be more, which puts
it in the mathematical category of an impossibility. So if
this one group of life is already an impossibility mathematically
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that it would come out of chaos thing, then to
say that there's life somewhere else from a scientific standpoint
becomes an interesting mathematical situation. Too, because now you're saying
this one time was impossible by our you know, equations,
but now you're saying, well, there's there's going to be
life somewhere else, and now that becomes even more mathematically impossible,
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not just improbable. So on the science side, it doesn't
lend a whole much to it. Although nobody likes to
come out and be the bad guy and say, now
there's probably not life anywhere else, but theologically, dan there's
no real room for it. There are people that try
and look at versus like there are others that are
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not of this flock, or I have flock that are
not of this group. And people say, oh, look, that's
talking about you know, it's talking about you know, extraterrestrials
and God is making room for them. And that's not
the case. It's talking about Jews and Gentiles. It's talking
about those that were the faithful of the day and
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those that were not. And so there, you know, people
trying to look at things the wheel in the sky
and Isaiah and all these type of things and try
and make them into something dealing with extraterrestrials, but that
it's just not in there. In the scripture, there's no
real place for it there to boot.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
So yeah, and I'd like to add that many times
on these science channels and things they talk about all
they always say, you know, the odds are the tremendous
galaxies out there and all this, the odds are there
would have to be beaming with life. And I always
come back and say to myself that they're always saying,
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man is arrogant to think that he's the only one
in the whole universe. I say, no, on the contrary,
we're so special that God creatives us, that he came
down here and walked among us, that makes us very special.
And that's I think that's the end of it. All
that because he created a universe and he came here
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makes us very unique and special.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
And you hear and that's right, Dan, And you hear
arguments sometimes people saying, oh, well, you know, the faithful
or the religionists say that there aren't extraterrestrials, and that's
just because they want to feel like they're special. They're
the only ones, as you're saying, they're the only ones
on the planet. There can't be anybody else. And it's
just humanity's way of feeling special. However, those who believe
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in extraterrestrials believe what that they visited where here? Why
would they visit here because you think you're special, because
you think Earth is worthy of visiting. Yeah, So it's
kind of an interesting thing that people get caught up in, Dan,
and I appreciate you bringing that up today because a
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lot of people get caught up in that and listen,
it is incredibly interesting and a fascinating discussion. I get that,
and I want you to explore things, and I want
you to question things. And uh, you know there's forums
for that, you know, Coast to Coast and George and
Ian they do a wonderful job, and there's there's places
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to discuss those things and those ideas, and this is
one of them as well. But scripturally, there is not
a whole lot of footing, uh for that idea. There's
just not And I know that angers some people. And
we have a rule here on the show, and that
is that that when it comes to people that you
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don't change then the mind of a devout anything, unless
they're a devout truth seeker. You won't change the mind
of a devout Protestant. You won't change the mind of
a devout Catholic. You won't change the mind of a
devout Muslim, devout Jew, a devout atheist. You won't change
the mind of anybody unless they're a devout truth seeker.
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First and foremost. That is that that is what they're seeking.
And if they're seeking that, then then there is hope. Cindy,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Hello Jesus, Hi, Cindy. I have a question. I have
been I'm a middle aged individual and had pardoner been
recently diagnosed with depression recently, It's been a couple of years,
and I've also got some sematic pain that I experienced
from time to time, and I had also sought treatment alternatively,
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herbly speaking, if you know what I'm talking.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
About, Yes, marijuana, I'm assuming they're right.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Okay, for medical purposes okay, and uh and it's not
for the high per se, I mean, unfortunately, that's the
side effect. But I do notice that it does pardon
me help, I mean, I'm concerned about some of the
side effects.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
But marijuana is a depressant.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Well, that's what I understand.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Why why would why would that help?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Well? I also have anxiety issues, so sometimes that that helps.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I see, that makes more sense.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
My question is this, I'm not for certain as to
the you know, veracity, how the Lord will look at it.
But there's been scripture and you know, they talk about
pharmakia a lot of evangelists on the television doo.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, pharmacia is the the the Greek term for sorcery,
mostly in scripture, and it's tied into you know, the
where it's where you get the root word for pharmacy
or pharmaceuticals.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
And yes, there is a point where using certain pharmaceuticals
or using certain things to you know, take the edge
off or have a different experience, can be consider to
form a sorcery. But they're specific in nature. You can't
just broad brush it. It's important to understand that that's
speaking about people that are using them recreationally for a
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particular high, to remove themselves out of reality.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
It's gonna lump the whole thing. And especially when you
look at the television commercials and you see the side
effects for some of these medications to treat certain illnesses,
and it's starting to fold sure at fifty five and
you know you're thinking, gosh, the side effects are worse
than the treatment that you're going for.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yes, you wonder if everything in the world causes loose
stool by the sounds of those commercials.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yeah, exactly, you know, And I'm thinking it, could we
possibly have the Lord? Can we love all of you know,
man's pharmaceuticals in with that pharmakia thing or what's the
deal here? Where do we draw the line?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Well, when it comes to marijuana, it may sound like
a technicality, but it's an important one. It's about its legality.
It's illegal. You are to a scripture says you're to
be respecting the laws of the land unless those laws
dictates you to reject God in some way.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
You know. I don't want to bring what's reproach upon
the Lord for doing something that's not right at the
stumbling and things like that too. I mean, it's not
something I advertise, but I want to get, you know,
an opinion on that because I'm thinking pharmachia, I'm thinking gush.
I mean, some of the stuff that's out there, like
vicodin is abused.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Absolutely, That's one of those things that become is a
Christian comfort level. And you look and you see things
that are become cultural and therefore the church thinks, well,
this is where the stance on scripture, but it's not.
It's been a cultural part of the church, but not
a theological part of the church. And you shouldn't be
abusing any substance whatsoever, whether it's something legal like alcohol,
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or whether.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
It's something drink alcoholic. It makes me sick. Thank God.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Well, there's different things that you know, people are comfortable with,
and that's that's not the fair way to look at
The fair way to look at it is that mostly
scripture is silent on it specifically but generically when it's
speaking about pharmacie. It it's to understand that if you
are in an altered state, you are more susceptible to
you know, spiritual suggestions. And in this particular case, if
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that's the same with any medicine that you're on, that's
not just ones that you feel a buzz on necessarily.
The difference is, you know, somebody can have a glass
of wine and not get high. However, if you're smoking pot,
the only effects you're going to have or reward from it,
if you will, if it's used medicinally, is going to
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be if you obtain that high. There's not you know,
a bunch of shades of gray. So there's not like
a high level like there is, you know, an alcohol
blood level.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Well, you have to be responsible too. I mean, if
you know that that's a side effect, it's relieving other issues.
But don't drive, you don't do stupid things exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Other medication exactly. So so the takeaway here that is important,
Cindy is first and foremost you have to use it
appropriately and protect it. Treat it like a powerful prescription drug.
Don't leave it out, don't leave it where kids can
get it, those types of things. And if you're in
the confines of those laws, then there's not going to
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be anything in scripture that's going to have a problem
with that. Tim, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hi, Tim,
you're there.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Yeah, I got questions. Yes, I grew up MESSI who
fortify church camp, that the whole. Then I got kicked
out of my house of the moment. And then that's
I basically blamed God because you know, I felt I
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did anything I should and he he basically let me down.
I feel and now my wife and my kids they
go to church, and every time I go with them,
I feel out of place. Why do I feel that way.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Because you aren't right with God. I mean, if you
feel uncomfortable in front of somebody, it's usually because of
something you did, or a miscommunication, for one, blaming me
for the things that you've done, or or putting on
me the you know, the situations in your life obviously
built there by you, Tim is gonna put a division.
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And I think you know that deep down if you're
honest with yourself and you look at the decisions you've
made and the actions you've put forth in the relationship
in the situation that you you know, if you're honest
with yourself, we'll say, Okay, there's things that I've done
that I'm not happy about, I'm not proud of, or
are not productive in the relationship, either with your family
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or with God. And by doing those things, you set
rate yourself from God. You go into a church, of course,
you're not going to feel comfortable because you're not comfortable.
I mean, there's always the option that you could not
feel comfortable because the church is odd or the people
in the church aren't very loving. But just based on
the simple description that you gave to me today, I
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would say that there's something you're doing to separate yourself.
And if you start playing that name, that name and
blame game that everybody does, you know it's their fault
or it's their fault or I blame it on God.
That usually points to the fact that you're not being
honest to yourself about things that you've done or things
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that you haven't done, in a relationship with your family,
whatever it might be. To make things work. Frank, welcome
to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Thank you for taking my.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Call, my pleasure. How can I help you? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (15:56):
My question is about what some people call negative theology,
and I ask it, maybe specifically with a thought of
how is a Christian, myself or any Christian supposed to
view or have a picture of God. You know, my
feelings as God is such just a wonderful, great transcendence thing.
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I can't even understand a mystery true awe, not awe
like people use these days.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Sure people say awesome all the time. Yeah, Yeah, it
gets watered down a little bit, doesn't it.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Yeah. So I find it easier and somewhat valuable to
think that God is not this. He's not an old
man with a gray beard, the Father God. If you
were here, so we have a picture of you as
you were as a human. But I just at least, yeah,
God is just a great wonderful mystery. And I wondered
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your thoughts about that. Well, Oh, I am a Christian.
Any Christian should try to view God.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
That's a wonderful question. It brings up a whole lot.
So let's see how much of it we can get to.
First of all, when you're dealing with negative theology or
what's referred to as via negativa in a Latin or
in the negative way, or another theological term for it
would be a prophetic theology. So if you're if you're
dealing with that kind of theology or the the the
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removal where you're removing that there are or pointing out
the things you can't know about God. Is is a process.
There's a there is some controversy with it. I will
tell you the thing that I don't like about it,
or statements like and you alluded to this yourself, and
I'll point out why. But you said yourself about knowing
what you can't know about God. That when you get
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to that negative theology concept where where you say statements
like human beings cannot use words about the essence of God. Unfortunately,
that's self stultifying because you're using words about the essence
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of God, even if it's in the negative. That the
use of the negative in philosophy makes the philosopher feel
that they're removing themselves and like almost humbling themselves and
removing themselves from the equation. But really you're not. You're
essentially saying I can't utter one word of English, not one.
By saying that statement, you've countered the statement. So by
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saying that you can't Emmanuel Kant said this as well,
that you can't know God. But by making that statement,
you're making a knowledge statement about God. So if you
can have that one piece of knowledge about God, how
come you can't have other pieces of knowledge about God?
That would be my I.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Guess what I mean is, you know, I used words
to say that God is great and God is a
great mystery and then awesome. So I believe you can
say things about God. But perhaps the negative side has
some value in saying, indeed, this is what he's not.
He's not an old man with a great beard.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Absolutely. So that brings me to my second point, which
furthers this, which is that it's more fair to say
that there are certain things you can know and certain
things you can't know. Certain things you know by special revelation,
meaning scripture where God says, this is who I am
and this is what I do, and that way you
can know. And then in Romans one it talks about
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general revelation and that there are things that you can
know by the designer, by way of the design. So
for instance, you can learn things about an artist if
they put enough of themselves into their art. Yeah, you
can tell if they like reds, if they like textures, textures,
or if they like muted colors or these types of things.
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These will give you insights to the individual, just like
creation will give you insights to the creator. That God
is a reasonable God, that God is a god of justice,
that God is a god of intellect, will and emotion.
These things can be seen in the creation, so you
can know things. Now. Then you brought in this third element,
which is why I said, such a wonderful question, but
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very complex. You brought in this third possibility, and that's
dealing with anthropomorphism, when you start applying human attributes to God,
and that is a huge problem. And we talked about
this some weeks ago that people tend to make God
a bigger them. It's like God is just a better me.
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And you say that in your head over and over
and over again, and you think, okay. And that's why
you think an old man because it age comes wisdom, right,
So you assume that God is wise. God has to
be old then, and then the man part comes from
patriarchal society and those images. And obviously that scripture is
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written in the masculine tense when it's refers to God
most of the time save for one name of God,
el Shadai, which is a female tense, speaking of the
nurturing aspects of God. But these things all kind of
mix and mesh frank into your knowledge of God and
how you see God. The problem lives inherently in trying
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to see God in the physical that's the biggest problem.
But trying to see God in intellect, will, and emotion,
and see God as a God of justice in these
things becomes quite clear through scripture, special revelation, and through
creation general revelation. So there are things that you can
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see and know about God. You can't know everything. And
I agree with you on two points. That one that
nowadays people use the word awesome towards things that aren't
hardly and that every word you use is coming from
the imperfect mouth of an imperfect human being. Will be
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imperfect in the description of God, but it doesn't mean
that it can't be beneficial towards the understanding on a
human level of God. So you can say things about God.
You can say God is great. Is it trite in
comparison to the magnificence of God? Yes, but so is
the word magnificence. So there there really is things that
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words and language is wonderful because it often comes out
of the experience, like, for instance, the word excruciating. You
know what the root word of excruciating as crosses, So
it comes from the very the very pain on the cross.
Krush come is in the word excruciating. It comes from
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death on the cross. It comes from that experience. And
therefore you say, gosh, I went through thisperience. It was
an excruciating experience. Was it really like being nailed to
the cross? No? So there's the words are going to
be imperfect. Every analogy about God is going to break
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down every you know, conceptual discussion about the intensity of
who God is and the vastness of who God is.
It will fall imperfect at the foot of God. But
you also use terms like the foot of God. It's
just that's just the way language works. I'm reminded of.
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You know scientists that will occasionally call in and be
upset at a term that's used that's casual. And I said,
what happened this morning with the sun? Well that the
sun rise raised? Did it really?
Speaker 5 (23:49):
No?
Speaker 1 (23:50):
No, it doesn't rise. The sun doesn't rise and doesn't set. Yeah,
but every scientist that looks out, you know, at a beach,
is going to say that the sun is setting. They're
going to be looking because it's observational language, and you're
going to be limited in that. So philosophically, is there
is there some value in the in the concept of
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the vietn negativa, you know, theology or the negative theology. Yes,
if it's put in there in part with a greater
understanding that, Yes, you can't know everything about God, you
can't know the fullness of God, but there are things
that you can know, many of which are taught to
you or revealed to you by God himself through scripture,
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through creation. And if you can know those things, then
you can get an idea. You can't put God in
a box. You can't put a beard on him. You
can't make God white, black or yellow. You can't make
a God man or woman in the big concept in
the in the you know, uh, the the different concept
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dealing with Christianity would be the trinity. And then you
put me into the equation and you have God becoming flesh.
So says John one one in the beginning was the word,
the word was with God, the word was God, and
the word became flesh. So there's there's difference in Christianity
because you have that image. Now you said picture. There
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are no photographs of me. Scripture says that there was
nothing in my outward appearance that made me, you know,
there was nothing like a charisma or attitude, no reason
to follow me over someone else. It's not like girls
were following me because they thought I was good looking
and men were following me because they thought I was
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super smart. It was more than that. And so Scripture
says that it wasn't like I was I wasn't anything
special to look at. Now in paintings or movies or depictions,
it's always this long, sort of blonde haired guy with
piercing blue eyes. Doesn't you know that doesn't fit the
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time period or any of those things. But that's to
set me apart in the context of the movie or
the player what have you to be different than anybody else.
But you can know certain things about my physical appearance
because you know it talked about certain things, but it's
not about.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
The physical man.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yes, exactly, I had two eyes at two ears, out
of nose and mouth all those things.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
But I find confusing and forgive me for him no, please.
As you know, I was always taught as a child
that we were made in the image and likeness of God.
Now I've come to understand that that doesn't mean literally
the image and likeness of God as physical, because then
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God would look like a man exactly.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
It deals with intellect, will and emotion. That humans have intellect,
will and emotion. There are some theologians, actually Frank, that
argue that angels also were created in the image of
God because they have intellect, will and emotion. And so
there are some that go back and forth as to
that dialogue and if that might be something of value
as well. But really people often misunderstand that and think
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that that has to do with the physical. But God
is not talking about the physical. If you remember my
discussion in scripture talking about being born again is people
think that that's a you know, that's a group of
church or something. It's not. It's a it's a concept
in Scripture. It's actually translates to mean be gotten from above,
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not to be born again, but but but to be
born from above technically. So in that conversation with Nicodemus,
I'm I remember talking to him and he's trying to
grasp it, and he says, well, so I've got to
climb in, you know, my mother's womb again. And I said, no, no, no,
they're born. You're born once the flesh and once the spirit.
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If you're born of the spirit, when you into the
understanding of God. And so to say that you are
created in the image of God in the physical is
a misnomer. It's to understand that in the physical your
soul is made up of intellect, will and emotion, and
that is in the image of God. Taren, Welcome to
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the Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Show hi, my lord.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Hi.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
I wonder if you would explain what you mean when
you say I am with you always.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Oh. At the end, of the show, okay, at the
end of the show. Essentially it's a reminder and it's
loosely referencing Matthew twenty eight, verse twenty. It says, teaching
to them to observe all that I command you, and
lo I am with you always, even to the end
of the age. And the reason why I say that
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at the end of the show is because we have
limited time here on the show, and it goes by quickly,
and we, you know, only get to share so much,
and that it's very easy when the show ends to forget.
You get wrapped up in the show, or you get
wrapped up in what we're doing here. And it's not
about the show, and it's not about the circumstances, which
is why we refer to them as life circumstances. Not
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about just the things around you that will change. It's
about what's around you that won't change, and that's God,
and that God is a constant. And every time we
come together and it's you know, only for a little
bit of time, and I hope that you continue to
join me every Sunday. But there's some that don't, or
they go away, or they can't listen, or they move
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or whatever it is, and I don't want it to
be about the show. If it's just about us meeting here,
then everything I say every single week is lost. It
means nothing. The only way that it has power, the
only way that it has potency and understanding and is
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relevant to your life, is if you know that it's
it's not about the fleeting moment. It's not about this show,
but it's about a relationship with God. And so it's
important to me every single week to spend that last
few seconds of the show to remind you of the
importance of that and to let you know that, no
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matter what takes place on the show, outside of the
show in life, that I am with you always. KFI
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You're listening to KFI six on demand. Dan, Welcome to
the Jesus Christia.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Good morning Jesus. You know, recently I've over the past years,
I've been reading a lot of physics books, and to
the contrary, brings me closer to the Lord understanding science. Sure,
my question is somewhere in the Bible, I think it's
Old Testament says you can search one end of the
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avenue to the other, and you will not find anything
like mankind. So I've kind of assume that this is it.
We're the people here on Earth. His all there is
into the universe, and the entire universe is for his glory.
I've read that before too, His creation is for his glory. Well,
my question is, if there were to be life on
(00:52):
other planets, would Jesus, would you be out there dying
on the cross and resurrecting across the universe for other
people and other life that.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
You'd have to assume that. Now, you brought up a
lot of good points. First of all, you're you're right
out of the gates. You're right. Science and and faith
are not at odds. They work together, all truth being
God's truth. Uh. However, on top of that the concept
you you paraphrased, is that there's no place in scripture
(01:25):
that allows for this kind of outside extraterrestrial world. Now,
I know a lot of people have problems with that
because of the sex appeal of the thought of extraterrestrials
and that type of thing. And and plus then you
put people's personal experiences, some that say they've been abducted,
and it causes you know, it's almost a religion unto itself.
(01:47):
So although the curiosity is there and it's a fascinating topic,
that when you look at the scriptural foundation, you have
a hard you're you're hard pressed to try and fit
the two together. For a couple of reasons. It takes
away the specialness of humanity in many ways. Also, Hebrews
(02:08):
two sixteen says, for assuredly he capital h speaking about
me does not give help to angels, but he gives
help to the descendants of Abraham speaking about humans. So
angels aren't saved. That's why when one third of Heaven left,
they stay gone. They can't change their mind or come
(02:31):
back or be saved or any of that process, because
they're very different than humans in that sense. As far
as the amount of knowledge they have based on who
they are and how they were created. So that shows
that there is a difference between me coming as man
and saving man versus just me coming as a creature.
(02:54):
In this case intellect, will and emotion. I said creature
because it's too mirror creation. So you can't just say, well,
it's going to cover everybody, because if they're different in
any way, like the angels are different, then it doesn't count.
The purpose was to come as a human to take
on the sins of humanity, so there's no way to
(03:16):
get over that in scripture. And lastly, I will say,
on the scientific note, it's interesting that when you hear
a scientist talk about the mathematical probability of humanity existing
from an evolutionary standpoint, that you are talking about numbers,
(03:37):
you know, sixteen zero zeros or more behind that concept,
which puts it actually it would be more, which puts
it in the mathematical category of an impossibility. So if
this one group of life is already an impossibility mathematically
(03:58):
that it would come out of chaos thing, then to
say that there's life somewhere else from a scientific standpoint
becomes an interesting mathematical situation. Too, because now you're saying
this one time was impossible by our you know, equations,
but now you're saying, well, there's there's going to be
life somewhere else, and now that becomes even more mathematically impossible,
(04:24):
not just improbable. So on the science side, it doesn't
lend a whole much to it. Although nobody likes to
come out and be the bad guy and say, now
there's probably not life anywhere else, but theologically, dan there's
no real room for it. There are people that try
and look at versus like there are others that are
(04:46):
not of this flock, or I have flock that are
not of this group. And people say, oh, look, that's
talking about you know, it's talking about you know, extraterrestrials
and God is making room for them. And that's not
the case. It's talking about Jews and Gentiles. It's talking
about those that were the faithful of the day and
(05:07):
those that were not. And so there, you know, people
trying to look at things the wheel in the sky
and Isaiah and all these type of things and try
and make them into something dealing with extraterrestrials, but that
it's just not in there. In the scripture, there's no
real place for it there to boot.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
So yeah, and I'd like to add that many times
on these science channels and things they talk about all
they always say, you know, the odds are the tremendous
galaxies out there and all this, the odds are there
would have to be beaming with life. And I always
come back and say to myself that they're always saying,
(05:52):
man is arrogant to think that he's the only one
in the whole universe. I say, no, on the contrary,
we're so special that God creatives us, that he came
down here and walked among us, that makes us very special.
And that's I think that's the end of it. All
that because he created a universe and he came here
(06:14):
makes us very unique and special.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
And you hear and that's right, Dan, And you hear
arguments sometimes people saying, oh, well, you know, the faithful
or the religionists say that there aren't extraterrestrials, and that's
just because they want to feel like they're special. They're
the only ones, as you're saying, they're the only ones
on the planet. There can't be anybody else. And it's
just humanity's way of feeling special. However, those who believe
(06:39):
in extraterrestrials believe what that they visited where here? Why
would they visit here because you think you're special, because
you think Earth is worthy of visiting. Yeah, So it's
kind of an interesting thing that people get caught up in, Dan,
and I appreciate you bringing that up today because a
(07:00):
lot of people get caught up in that and listen,
it is incredibly interesting and a fascinating discussion. I get that,
and I want you to explore things, and I want
you to question things. And uh, you know there's forums
for that, you know, Coast to Coast and George and
Ian they do a wonderful job, and there's there's places
(07:23):
to discuss those things and those ideas, and this is
one of them as well. But scripturally, there is not
a whole lot of footing, uh for that idea. There's
just not And I know that angers some people. And
we have a rule here on the show, and that
is that that when it comes to people that you
(07:44):
don't change then the mind of a devout anything, unless
they're a devout truth seeker. You won't change the mind
of a devout Protestant. You won't change the mind of
a devout Catholic. You won't change the mind of a
devout Muslim, devout Jew, a devout atheist. You won't change
the mind of anybody unless they're a devout truth seeker.
(08:05):
First and foremost. That is that that is what they're seeking.
And if they're seeking that, then then there is hope. Cindy,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Hello Jesus, Hi, Cindy. I have a question. I have
been I'm a middle aged individual and had pardoner been
recently diagnosed with depression recently, It's been a couple of years,
and I've also got some sematic pain that I experienced
from time to time, and I had also sought treatment alternatively,
(08:45):
herbly speaking, if you know what I'm talking.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
About, Yes, marijuana, I'm assuming they're right.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Okay, for medical purposes okay, and uh and it's not
for the high per se, I mean, unfortunately, that's the
side effect. But I do notice that it does pardon
me help, I mean, I'm concerned about some of the
side effects.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
But marijuana is a depressant.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Well, that's what I understand.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Why why would why would that help?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Well? I also have anxiety issues, so sometimes that that helps.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I see, that makes more sense.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
My question is this, I'm not for certain as to
the you know, veracity, how the Lord will look at it.
But there's been scripture and you know, they talk about
pharmakia a lot of evangelists on the television doo.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, pharmacia is the the the Greek term for sorcery,
mostly in scripture, and it's tied into you know, the
where it's where you get the root word for pharmacy
or pharmaceuticals.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
And yes, there is a point where using certain pharmaceuticals
or using certain things to you know, take the edge
off or have a different experience, can be consider to
form a sorcery. But they're specific in nature. You can't
just broad brush it. It's important to understand that that's
speaking about people that are using them recreationally for a
(10:12):
particular high, to remove themselves out of reality.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
It's gonna lump the whole thing. And especially when you
look at the television commercials and you see the side
effects for some of these medications to treat certain illnesses,
and it's starting to fold sure at fifty five and
you know you're thinking, gosh, the side effects are worse
than the treatment that you're going for.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yes, you wonder if everything in the world causes loose
stool by the sounds of those commercials.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yeah, exactly, you know, And I'm thinking it, could we
possibly have the Lord? Can we love all of you know,
man's pharmaceuticals in with that pharmakia thing or what's the
deal here? Where do we draw the line?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Well, when it comes to marijuana, it may sound like
a technicality, but it's an important one. It's about its legality.
It's illegal. You are to a scripture says you're to
be respecting the laws of the land unless those laws
dictates you to reject God in some way.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
You know. I don't want to bring what's reproach upon
the Lord for doing something that's not right at the
stumbling and things like that too. I mean, it's not
something I advertise, but I want to get, you know,
an opinion on that because I'm thinking pharmachia, I'm thinking gush.
I mean, some of the stuff that's out there, like
vicodin is abused.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Absolutely, That's one of those things that become is a
Christian comfort level. And you look and you see things
that are become cultural and therefore the church thinks, well,
this is where the stance on scripture, but it's not.
It's been a cultural part of the church, but not
a theological part of the church. And you shouldn't be
abusing any substance whatsoever, whether it's something legal like alcohol,
(11:52):
or whether.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
It's something drink alcoholic. It makes me sick. Thank God.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Well, there's different things that you know, people are comfortable with,
and that's that's not the fair way to look at
The fair way to look at it is that mostly
scripture is silent on it specifically but generically when it's
speaking about pharmacie. It it's to understand that if you
are in an altered state, you are more susceptible to
you know, spiritual suggestions. And in this particular case, if
(12:20):
that's the same with any medicine that you're on, that's
not just ones that you feel a buzz on necessarily.
The difference is, you know, somebody can have a glass
of wine and not get high. However, if you're smoking pot,
the only effects you're going to have or reward from it,
if you will, if it's used medicinally, is going to
(12:42):
be if you obtain that high. There's not you know,
a bunch of shades of gray. So there's not like
a high level like there is, you know, an alcohol
blood level.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Well, you have to be responsible too. I mean, if
you know that that's a side effect, it's relieving other issues.
But don't drive, you don't do stupid things exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Other medication exactly. So so the takeaway here that is important,
Cindy is first and foremost you have to use it
appropriately and protect it. Treat it like a powerful prescription drug.
Don't leave it out, don't leave it where kids can
get it, those types of things. And if you're in
the confines of those laws, then there's not going to
(13:25):
be anything in scripture that's going to have a problem
with that. Tim, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hi, Tim,
you're there.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Yeah, I got questions. Yes, I grew up MESSI who
fortify church camp, that the whole. Then I got kicked
out of my house of the moment. And then that's
I basically blamed God because you know, I felt I
(13:58):
did anything I should and he he basically let me down.
I feel and now my wife and my kids they
go to church, and every time I go with them,
I feel out of place. Why do I feel that way.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Because you aren't right with God. I mean, if you
feel uncomfortable in front of somebody, it's usually because of
something you did, or a miscommunication, for one, blaming me
for the things that you've done, or or putting on
me the you know, the situations in your life obviously
built there by you, Tim is gonna put a division.
(14:33):
And I think you know that deep down if you're
honest with yourself and you look at the decisions you've
made and the actions you've put forth in the relationship
in the situation that you you know, if you're honest
with yourself, we'll say, Okay, there's things that I've done
that I'm not happy about, I'm not proud of, or
are not productive in the relationship, either with your family
(14:56):
or with God. And by doing those things, you set
rate yourself from God. You go into a church, of course,
you're not going to feel comfortable because you're not comfortable.
I mean, there's always the option that you could not
feel comfortable because the church is odd or the people
in the church aren't very loving. But just based on
the simple description that you gave to me today, I
(15:18):
would say that there's something you're doing to separate yourself.
And if you start playing that name, that name and
blame game that everybody does, you know it's their fault
or it's their fault or I blame it on God.
That usually points to the fact that you're not being
honest to yourself about things that you've done or things
(15:39):
that you haven't done, in a relationship with your family,
whatever it might be. To make things work. Frank, welcome
to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Thank you for taking my.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Call, my pleasure. How can I help you? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (15:56):
My question is about what some people call negative theology,
and I ask it, maybe specifically with a thought of
how is a Christian, myself or any Christian supposed to
view or have a picture of God. You know, my
feelings as God is such just a wonderful, great transcendence thing.
(16:22):
I can't even understand a mystery true awe, not awe
like people use these days.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Sure people say awesome all the time. Yeah, Yeah, it
gets watered down a little bit, doesn't it.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Yeah. So I find it easier and somewhat valuable to
think that God is not this. He's not an old
man with a gray beard, the Father God. If you
were here, so we have a picture of you as
you were as a human. But I just at least, yeah,
God is just a great wonderful mystery. And I wondered
(17:01):
your thoughts about that. Well, Oh, I am a Christian.
Any Christian should try to view God.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
That's a wonderful question. It brings up a whole lot.
So let's see how much of it we can get to.
First of all, when you're dealing with negative theology or
what's referred to as via negativa in a Latin or
in the negative way, or another theological term for it
would be a prophetic theology. So if you're if you're
dealing with that kind of theology or the the the
(17:29):
removal where you're removing that there are or pointing out
the things you can't know about God. Is is a process.
There's a there is some controversy with it. I will
tell you the thing that I don't like about it,
or statements like and you alluded to this yourself, and
I'll point out why. But you said yourself about knowing
what you can't know about God. That when you get
(17:51):
to that negative theology concept where where you say statements
like human beings cannot use words about the essence of God. Unfortunately,
that's self stultifying because you're using words about the essence
(18:12):
of God, even if it's in the negative. That the
use of the negative in philosophy makes the philosopher feel
that they're removing themselves and like almost humbling themselves and
removing themselves from the equation. But really you're not. You're
essentially saying I can't utter one word of English, not one.
By saying that statement, you've countered the statement. So by
(18:34):
saying that you can't Emmanuel Kant said this as well,
that you can't know God. But by making that statement,
you're making a knowledge statement about God. So if you
can have that one piece of knowledge about God, how
come you can't have other pieces of knowledge about God?
That would be my I.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Guess what I mean is, you know, I used words
to say that God is great and God is a
great mystery and then awesome. So I believe you can
say things about God. But perhaps the negative side has
some value in saying, indeed, this is what he's not.
He's not an old man with a great beard.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Absolutely. So that brings me to my second point, which
furthers this, which is that it's more fair to say
that there are certain things you can know and certain
things you can't know. Certain things you know by special revelation,
meaning scripture where God says, this is who I am
and this is what I do, and that way you
can know. And then in Romans one it talks about
(19:36):
general revelation and that there are things that you can
know by the designer, by way of the design. So
for instance, you can learn things about an artist if
they put enough of themselves into their art. Yeah, you
can tell if they like reds, if they like textures, textures,
or if they like muted colors or these types of things.
(19:56):
These will give you insights to the individual, just like
creation will give you insights to the creator. That God
is a reasonable God, that God is a god of justice,
that God is a god of intellect, will and emotion.
These things can be seen in the creation, so you
can know things. Now. Then you brought in this third element,
which is why I said, such a wonderful question, but
(20:19):
very complex. You brought in this third possibility, and that's
dealing with anthropomorphism, when you start applying human attributes to God,
and that is a huge problem. And we talked about
this some weeks ago that people tend to make God
a bigger them. It's like God is just a better me.
(20:40):
And you say that in your head over and over
and over again, and you think, okay. And that's why
you think an old man because it age comes wisdom, right,
So you assume that God is wise. God has to
be old then, and then the man part comes from
patriarchal society and those images. And obviously that scripture is
(21:01):
written in the masculine tense when it's refers to God
most of the time save for one name of God,
el Shadai, which is a female tense, speaking of the
nurturing aspects of God. But these things all kind of
mix and mesh frank into your knowledge of God and
how you see God. The problem lives inherently in trying
(21:25):
to see God in the physical that's the biggest problem.
But trying to see God in intellect, will, and emotion,
and see God as a God of justice in these
things becomes quite clear through scripture, special revelation, and through
creation general revelation. So there are things that you can
(21:46):
see and know about God. You can't know everything. And
I agree with you on two points. That one that
nowadays people use the word awesome towards things that aren't
hardly and that every word you use is coming from
the imperfect mouth of an imperfect human being. Will be
(22:07):
imperfect in the description of God, but it doesn't mean
that it can't be beneficial towards the understanding on a
human level of God. So you can say things about God.
You can say God is great. Is it trite in
comparison to the magnificence of God? Yes, but so is
the word magnificence. So there there really is things that
(22:30):
words and language is wonderful because it often comes out
of the experience, like, for instance, the word excruciating. You
know what the root word of excruciating as crosses, So
it comes from the very the very pain on the cross.
Krush come is in the word excruciating. It comes from
(22:52):
death on the cross. It comes from that experience. And
therefore you say, gosh, I went through thisperience. It was
an excruciating experience. Was it really like being nailed to
the cross? No? So there's the words are going to
be imperfect. Every analogy about God is going to break
(23:12):
down every you know, conceptual discussion about the intensity of
who God is and the vastness of who God is.
It will fall imperfect at the foot of God. But
you also use terms like the foot of God. It's
just that's just the way language works. I'm reminded of.
(23:34):
You know scientists that will occasionally call in and be
upset at a term that's used that's casual. And I said,
what happened this morning with the sun? Well that the
sun rise raised? Did it really?
Speaker 5 (23:49):
No?
Speaker 1 (23:50):
No, it doesn't rise. The sun doesn't rise and doesn't set. Yeah,
but every scientist that looks out, you know, at a beach,
is going to say that the sun is setting. They're
going to be looking because it's observational language, and you're
going to be limited in that. So philosophically, is there
is there some value in the in the concept of
(24:11):
the vietn negativa, you know, theology or the negative theology. Yes,
if it's put in there in part with a greater
understanding that, Yes, you can't know everything about God, you
can't know the fullness of God, but there are things
that you can know, many of which are taught to
you or revealed to you by God himself through scripture,
(24:35):
through creation. And if you can know those things, then
you can get an idea. You can't put God in
a box. You can't put a beard on him. You
can't make God white, black or yellow. You can't make
a God man or woman in the big concept in
the in the you know, uh, the the different concept
(24:58):
dealing with Christianity would be the trinity. And then you
put me into the equation and you have God becoming flesh.
So says John one one in the beginning was the word,
the word was with God, the word was God, and
the word became flesh. So there's there's difference in Christianity
because you have that image. Now you said picture. There
(25:20):
are no photographs of me. Scripture says that there was
nothing in my outward appearance that made me, you know,
there was nothing like a charisma or attitude, no reason
to follow me over someone else. It's not like girls
were following me because they thought I was good looking
and men were following me because they thought I was
(25:41):
super smart. It was more than that. And so Scripture
says that it wasn't like I was I wasn't anything
special to look at. Now in paintings or movies or depictions,
it's always this long, sort of blonde haired guy with
piercing blue eyes. Doesn't you know that doesn't fit the
(26:03):
time period or any of those things. But that's to
set me apart in the context of the movie or
the player what have you to be different than anybody else.
But you can know certain things about my physical appearance
because you know it talked about certain things, but it's
not about.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
The physical man.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yes, exactly, I had two eyes at two ears, out
of nose and mouth all those things.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
But I find confusing and forgive me for him no, please.
As you know, I was always taught as a child
that we were made in the image and likeness of God.
Now I've come to understand that that doesn't mean literally
the image and likeness of God as physical, because then
(26:48):
God would look like a man exactly.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
It deals with intellect, will and emotion. That humans have intellect,
will and emotion. There are some theologians, actually Frank, that
argue that angels also were created in the image of
God because they have intellect, will and emotion. And so
there are some that go back and forth as to
that dialogue and if that might be something of value
as well. But really people often misunderstand that and think
(27:14):
that that has to do with the physical. But God
is not talking about the physical. If you remember my
discussion in scripture talking about being born again is people
think that that's a you know, that's a group of
church or something. It's not. It's a it's a concept
in Scripture. It's actually translates to mean be gotten from above,
(27:37):
not to be born again, but but but to be
born from above technically. So in that conversation with Nicodemus,
I'm I remember talking to him and he's trying to
grasp it, and he says, well, so I've got to
climb in, you know, my mother's womb again. And I said, no, no, no,
they're born. You're born once the flesh and once the spirit.
(27:57):
If you're born of the spirit, when you into the
understanding of God. And so to say that you are
created in the image of God in the physical is
a misnomer. It's to understand that in the physical your
soul is made up of intellect, will and emotion, and
that is in the image of God. Taren, Welcome to
(28:19):
the Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Show hi, my lord.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Hi.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
I wonder if you would explain what you mean when
you say I am with you always.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Oh. At the end, of the show, okay, at the
end of the show. Essentially it's a reminder and it's
loosely referencing Matthew twenty eight, verse twenty. It says, teaching
to them to observe all that I command you, and
lo I am with you always, even to the end
of the age. And the reason why I say that
(28:54):
at the end of the show is because we have
limited time here on the show, and it goes by quickly,
and we, you know, only get to share so much,
and that it's very easy when the show ends to forget.
You get wrapped up in the show, or you get
wrapped up in what we're doing here. And it's not
about the show, and it's not about the circumstances, which
is why we refer to them as life circumstances. Not
(29:16):
about just the things around you that will change. It's
about what's around you that won't change, and that's God,
and that God is a constant. And every time we
come together and it's you know, only for a little
bit of time, and I hope that you continue to
join me every Sunday. But there's some that don't, or
they go away, or they can't listen, or they move
(29:36):
or whatever it is, and I don't want it to
be about the show. If it's just about us meeting here,
then everything I say every single week is lost. It
means nothing. The only way that it has power, the
only way that it has potency and understanding and is
(29:57):
relevant to your life, is if you know that it's
it's not about the fleeting moment. It's not about this show,
but it's about a relationship with God. And so it's
important to me every single week to spend that last
few seconds of the show to remind you of the
importance of that and to let you know that, no
(30:18):
matter what takes place on the show, outside of the
show in life, that I am with you always. KFI
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