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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. There's
something about justice that brings this sense of peace and
often even a very intense and deep felt celebration, no
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doubt about it. Since the beginning of storytelling, whether it's
some tall tale around a campfire, a really good book,
or a blockbuster movie, audiences are always thrilled when good
triumphs over evil. You experienced this on your own firsthand,
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when at the end of a movie the bad guy
meets his just consequences and gets his right. You've been
there in that theater. Bad guy's gotten away time and
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time again. Now he gets his and at that point
what happens. The audience bursts into applause. They cheer why
because they now know that justice has been served. And
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that's a thrilling thing. And the response is a correct one.
It's not that you want to see harm brought to anyone,
but there's something that makes you want to see justice served.
And this urge surge to rejoice when you see something
like that and you see justice taking place in front
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of you, That comes from deep inside you. That's normal.
You are designed by God to desire true justice. It
helps you seek truth to know righteousness and to know
God's will. And so when you go see a movie
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and someone's getting away with something over and over again,
or they've harmed somebody, you know, usually within ten minutes
of the movie, you know who you don't like. You
know who's a bad guy, who's the bad person in
the film, and who you want to see get their
just deserts. Well, that feeling that urge to rejoice can
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help you seeking the truth, knowing righteousness, seeking God's will.
But conversely, when you witness injustice, you feel and rest
sometimes anger, and this too is normal, but how you
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deal with these feelings is very important to God. Romans
twelve nineteen. And part of this I know you've heard
over and over again because it's quoting Deuteronomy and the like.
But Romans twelve nineteen, never take your own revenge, beloved,
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but leave room for the wraath of God. For it
is written vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.
Very clear that God is saying, don't get your hands dirty.
Don't don't get into some sort of rage inside your
heart that you feel you've got to take it upon
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yourself to deal with it. An injustice not your job,
and ultimately mankind is not equipped for true justice. But
God says, I will repay. And that verse is so
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interesting there in Romans twelve nineteen that says, you know,
don't take it on yourself, don't get in and messed
up in all this revenge business, but leave room for
the wrath of God, make way for God and God's judgment.
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The desire comes deep within, hand crafted by God, that
place where you want to know justice. Even when you
do things wrong in yourself, even when you try and
skirt the system or tweak it somehow justify what you do.
Deep down, you still want to see justice in all
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things and righteousness in all things. It's the strange battle
that goes on in humanity on a daily basis. You
half the time are trying to get away with things justifying, well,
it's okay for you to speed on the freeway, or
it's okay for you to do this, for you to
do that, or for you to eat those grapes in
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the grocery store and not pay for them, or whatever
it is. And you justify all these things and they
build up and it's well, oh, well, I would never
do that, or I'm a good person. I can do that,
and you justify all that, but ultimately, deep down, if
you see someone else do the very same things, what
you desire is justice. So what you're feeling there is
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one the righteousness of God, the will of God embedded
deep inside you, teaching and training you to understand the
will of God and God's righteousness, to seek those things,
to seek justice. That's what makes you get uproarious at
the end of a movie or story when the good
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guy wins and the bad guy gets it. But that
battles with your flesh on a daily basis, your flesh
desiring to do its own thing, to make excuses to justify.
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But it is right and it is good for you
to want to see justice, and it's.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Not just.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
From a lookie loose standpoint. You want to know that
there's righteousness. You want to know that there's fairness and
balance in the universe and everything, and that there's a
system out there, be it man made or not, that
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will point to those things, that will point to that
which is good. Justice is a wonderful thing. And when
you witness justice and you see true justice and righteousness,
there is a certain feeling deep down that makes you
want to celebrate, and this goes back to the beginning
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of time. You see this in the theater when the
bad guy gets it, everybody you know waiting the whole
film and then get very excited and you have that
urge to rejoice. Unfortunately, when you witness injustice, you have
the reverse of that feeling. A lot of times it
even comes out as anger, and that's normal, but you've
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got to deal with it in a godly way. Romans
twelve nineteen says never take your own revenge, says that
vengeance belongs to God, that he will repay the frustration
of having to look upon evil or wrong wrongs being
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done in the world. And there are times where there
are those that even call out to God to say, God,
can't you step in and serve justice here where justice
is not being served. In just a moment, I want
to read to you from Hubakak a couple of verses
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that point to that very very feeling and explain to
you how justice is done and when it's done. Don't
go anywhere. That desire to see justice something that is
in deep inside you create by God, that desire to
seek justice and to see it play out in a
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righteous way. That's why you get thrilled when you see
justice being done. You get excited. Now it is part
of the dichotomy of man, where you wrestle with your
own justice and you do what you want, but everyone
else must play by the rules. But since the beginning
of time, man like you in this situation has been
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dumbfounded and enraged by injustice. And it's nothing new to
hear people frustrated. Even in scripture. You can find it
in Hbaka one versus two, three and four. Listen to
this and see if the language were slightly different, but
the voice is still the same. How long, o Lord,
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will I cry for help and you will not hear?
Cry out to you violence? Yet you do not save?
Why do you make me see iniquity and cause me
to look on wickedness? Yes, destruction and violence are before me.
Strife exists and contention rises. Therefore the law is ignored
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and justice is never upheld, for the wicked surround the righteous.
Therefore justice comes out perverted. And you have that in scripture,
the frustration of man seeing other men doing wrong and
getting away with it, and the breakdown in justice. But really,
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any man made system of justice is more like it's
more like a pre instant replay referee at a sporting
event than a true recognition of someone's innocence or guilt.
In a sporting event, if the ref does see the foul,
it doesn't get called. Essentially didn't happen as far as
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the game is concerned, so the offending player can still
be guilty of the foul but not receive any immediate consequences. Likewise,
a man made system of justice here on Earth only
ever sees part of the picture and judges what was seen,
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not the true innocence or guilt of an individual. That's
where God comes. In Proverbs twenty nine to twenty six,
says many seek the ruler's favor, but justice for man
comes from the Lord, essentially saying that there are those
that try and bend the system, seek the favor of
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the ruler, try and get, you know, look good in
their eyes. But really it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter
who sees what or anything that works in in the
judicial systems that are on earth to the best of
their ability. But true justice for man, it says, comes
from the Lord.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Justice.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
God's system of justice is perfect. He sees everything, and
everyone will be accountable for the things they do everyone.
But like the movie you watch so intently, the bad
guy may get away with whatever they're doing the first time,
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maybe even the second time, but they always get it
in the end.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
That's the whole point of watching through it and waiting
for that sweet ending where the bad guy gets it,
because deep down inside you you see that justice. But
don't walk out in the middle of the movie. Because
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God's true justice will be served in the end, whether
here on earth in the halls of justice or standing
before God on judgment day. And until that day of
God's true justice, you are called to live righteously. Now,
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you yourself, need to be participating in only that which
is just. If you are doing things and participating in
things and justifying what you do and saying, well, it's
okay for me to do it, It's okay for me
to get away with this, but not for anybody else.
If you're playing by those rules, you're only causing more problems.
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You're only twisting the balance of justice to begin with,
you know, because there are those opportunities where you've said, ah, well,
I'm not that drunk, you know, and I'm not that
far from home I'll pop in the car. But when
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you hear about someone wrapping themselves around the pole, or
heaven forbid someone else and then it's some bystander or child,
then you get enraged, same with speeding or anything else.
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From the simple things like cutting in line somewhere, or
like I said, eating grapes at the grocery store and
not paying for them. All of these little things are
part of the problem and end up kind of going
into the collective consciousness of everyone in the way they
do things in society, and it's like, well, that's okay.
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And the more you justify and the more or you
let slide by really the bigger problems that arise. So
somewhere deep down you play a part of all this
as well, and I want you to know that, because
you have a part to play for righteousness as well.
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To step in into be an example, and it purifies
the whole process of a man made judicial system to
have the people that are that belong to it, adhere
to it and want to see it work. That if
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you are playing alongside properly, and God knows this, and
God says, don't get caught up in the things of
the world, don't get lost in your justification of doing
whatever you want whenever you want, because sooner or later
that blends in to the others around you. And you
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get frustrated when you see hear about an accident of
texting caused by someone taking their eyes off the road
to text. Yet you don't have a problem when you
have to text, because it's only something small, and it's
really quick, and I'm not going that fast, and I'm
pretty good at keeping my eye on the road and
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my eye on my phone and all of those things.
And as much as you have rage or anger or frustration,
I want you to understand that you play a part
in justice every day and that God wants you to
be above reproach and not to be caught up in
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the ugliness as well. Scripture says that if you judge yourself,
you won't be judged by others, essentially saying that if
you are constantly looking at the things you do and saying, ah, this,
this is not good, this is not healthy, this is
not helpful, and judging yourself that way, then no one
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will have to judge you. There won't even be an
opportunity because you're constantly checking yourself out of this desire entitlement.
And you've heard us say this on the show over
and over again. All crime comes from entitlement. All crime
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comes from the feeling the notion that you deserve something
that someone hasn't given you. And so you don't want
to get up caught up in that particular spin either.
You don't want to go to that place where you
feel like you deserve something and you're going to take it,
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because once you start getting in them mentality, you're no
better than those that you referred to as criminals. But
keep in mind, in the part you play, Isaiah fifty
sixty one says, thus says the Lord, preserve justice and
do righteousness, for my salvation is about to come and
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my righteousness to be revealed. Georgie, Welcome to the Jesus
Christ Show.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Hi Jesus, this is am I on the air. And
now you sure are okay? Yeah, I've been in a
basically a committed relationship for six years. I'm a divorcee.
I'm now engaged, and my fiancee would like to get married.
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I have reluctance, and the reluctances the freedom that I
would be giving up. I'm I, you know, enjoy enjoy
that freedom, and I see getting back into marriage would
limit me. And you know it's caused a lot of
the liment or relationship because you know he's ready to
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make that take that next step, and I am really
a verse.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Well then why don't you? Why don't you break up
with him?
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Because he's the one for me? You know I know that.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
No, it's not you just said he's not.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Well, I feel that he is the one for me,
but I my my butts.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Don't usually follow that statement, by the way. Pardon butts
don't usually follow that by the way, This is exactly
what I want, but that doesn't That's not how a
sentence works. So if there is a butt, then he's
not the one. Move on, unless unless you're implying that
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there you're just selfish and you want to do what
you want to do and you want him to be
there when you want them to be there, and not
be there when you don't want him there, in which
i'd say every every man within five feet of you
should run the opposite direction. So I mean, not really
a pretty choice either way. But yeah, I don't even
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know what committed means in that context. What does committed
mean you're committed to it as far as it's it
jives with what you want to do or no.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Committed relationship means that we're seeing each other exclusively and
we're taking steps towards the marriage.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
It sounds wishy washy, it just does. If you're committed,
you're committed take steps towards commitment. I mean, you build,
you build the proper structure or what have you. But
you don't. There's things that can show your commitment. You know,
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guy wants your hand. I mean, I understand that you're
not twenty years old, but a guy wants your hand,
and he goes, Okay, well I've got a job and
i'm secure here, and I'm showing you that I'm working
towards this. It's not just some fly by night romantic
thought and all of those things. But you don't go, oh,
we're committed, but you're not committed. You can't have roots
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and wings. It's impossible. You either want roots to grow
and be secure or you want wings to fly off
and do whatever you want, but you don't have both.
There's no trees with wings or birds with roots, just
not and that's by design. And unfortunately people try and
combine the two and you end up getting a very
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horrible hybrid that can't fly nor grow. So, Georgie, I
would really really think deeply about what you're doing and
what you're in because it's not really committed relationship. It's
pseudo committed and it looks committed on the surface, but
commitment is commitment. Aren't partially there. It's not like the
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old saying you can't be a little bit pregnant. Derby,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Hey there, Hi, how can I help you? I had
a question about let's see how to put this. I
wrote some notes down. First of all, thank you for
doing the show. It's awesome.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Well my pleasure. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
That after you were resurrected in the I believe that
you were resurrected in the flesh, and I was raised
Jehovah's witness, and they believe that it was the spirit
in the spirit. Yeah, and that and the argument for
that is that you weren't recognized by other people, and
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that you walk through walls and I and also in
I think it's First Corinthians fifteen fifty that it says
flesh and blood cannot enter, cannot in her at the
Kingdom of God.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Okay, so you just want more reassurance about the physical
the physicality of the resurrection, or about people in general
being able to enter the Kingdom of God. Are they
doing it in the spirit or are they doing it
in the flesh? Wow?
Speaker 3 (23:18):
The first one, But now that you brought it up,
the second a can of worms first.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, Well they do tie into each other specifically. You
know what's interesting and this is a good rule of
thumb always, and especially when people come to your door
and want to share their alternate versions of their faith
with the mainstream Christian public, is that oftentimes when you
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take a verse out of context, it doesn't make sense.
The old saying that a text out of context is
a pretext, it doesn't mean anything. Really, what you have
to do is put it in its full context. And
if you read on and one Corinthians fifteen fifty that
as you're reading and understanding about what's going on, and
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it's talking about, you know, the the flesh there and
that it you know that Heaven doesn't welcome what it says.
It's not welcoming of the corruptible fresh flesh. Specifically, because
it goes on to say that, nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
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So it's not talking about the flesh. It's talking about
the corruptible flesh. So likewise, as my body was different
after the resurrection, because it's no longer a corruptible body,
it's not the same. It's a resurrected body that a
corruptible body does not enter into heaven. No corruption will
enter into heaven. So what it's saying is that that
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part of the body will be washed away, the corruption
of the body, the sin of the body will be gone,
not that the body itself will be gone. So it's
not saying there won't be bodies in heaven. Obviously there
are bodies. I had a body, as as you remember.
You bring up another verse verse Luke twenty four thirty nine,
where I'm telling Thomas, you know, touch me. Strangely enough,
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I say flesh and bone at that point, not flesh
and blood, because I'm specifically saying feel. You can feel
these things, flesh and bone right here before you. So
obviously there is flesh and bone in heaven, but not
the corruptible kind, which is what is living here on earth,
or the perishable flesh.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Oh, you're just going to ask you about imperishable versus.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
So if you read on you hear that because the
second part of the verse is nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
So it's explaining it, and it really it's just the
words used make you go, hey, wait, what does that mean?
But really it's saying, Okay, the corruptible, perishable flesh that
is here on earth will not be in heaven. But this, this,
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this new body, this resurrected body that doesn't perish and
is not corruptible, that will be in heaven.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
So that's really what's being said, and that goes for
both accounts. That goes in regards to the Christian resurrecting
and being in heaven as well. It's just not the
corruptible or perishable aspects of the body.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Okay. Yeah, I just had a problem with that when
I read that, I'm like, wait a minute. It's like,
if I have to believe your version versus what you know,
not your version, but a specific version that particular religion
has versus what you said. I kind of got aside
with you.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah, you think probably a safer bet.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Kind of partial to you.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, So that's really what it comes down to. And
really when you read it in its fullness, it makes sense.
And this comes up many many times in scripture of
the concept of flesh and bones and all of these things.
But really it's dealing about the corruptibility and the perishability
of the flesh that is not going to be in heaven,
not the flesh itself. There will be flesh in heaven.
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I am living, breathing proof of that. So, uh, you know,
keep keep that in mind. But an excellent question, Derby,
and I thank you for listening.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
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