January 25, 2026 • 28 mins
Legal vs Moral
Reincarnation
Gospel of Judas
What did Jesus look like
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Lynn, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
I had a question, you know, is there a difference
between legality and morality here on earth? I mean, we're
all standing before God. But just so somebody says it's
legal doesn't make it right. I'm a single mom and
there's been a piece of cake for me to go
sell my body and live before Christ, knowing that I've
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seen in that way. But I was just wondering, is
it legal or moral? Is if they say it's all right,
it's all right, but you know, when you come to.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
The maker, absolutely well, there's there's I'm struggling. Now, there's
two differences. The United States is governed by the Constitution.
The Christian is governed by the Bible. So there there
are two different things. Bible always wins to the Christian.
So if there was anything in any of the laws
of any land that were contradictory to scripture and forced
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you to do something that you felt was the more yeah,
in that sense, then uh, then obviously Scripture wins out.
And that's those are the things that you fight for.
For instance, if the government of the United States. Ever
said that you could not worship Christianity, or you couldn't
own a Bible, or you couldn't go to church or
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any of those things, then that would be a problem.
If the if and that's.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
What we stand for, and that's freedom of speech kind
of well.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
If only it were that easy, my.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Goodness, I'm just trying to solve all the words problems.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Well, but but your but your attitude and your point
absolutely correct. Len that that legality versus morality. There are
times where there are things that are legal, but they
aren't moral, and you have to know the difference between
the two. And there's some things that are legal and
not a sin for some, but legal and a sin
for For instance, it is legal to drink wine with dinner.
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It is morally okay to drink wine with dinner. However,
if you're an alcoholic, it's not morally okay for you
to drink wine, and both of you, it's not okay
to drink wine or liquor with dinner and drive. So
it's the context of what you're saying is always going
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to be important too. So it depends on the individual,
depends on the laws of the land, and it depends
on scripture, and so that Christian is always bound by
the two things both the Constitution of the United States.
As a Christian in the United States, but you're also
bound by scripture. Scripture is what's leading you morally. The
Constitution is what leads legally. But there are people that
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aren't Christians in the United States that may be bound
morally by a different standard, and the Constitution has to
allow for them to be able to practice or worship
or live their life the way they want to as well.
And that's kind of the big concept of the melting
pot making the United States a truly unique place to live. Courtney,
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Welcome to The Jesus Christ Show. Hello, Hi Courtney, how
can I help you?
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Hi?
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I was am I on the area.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yes you are.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Okay. I love this show. And my question to you
is when I read your word and certain passages leap
out and then are confirmed in other passages, why does
it take me so long to respond okay Christian?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Well, yes, Christians can have a d D and many do.
So you're saying that there's things that you read, yeah,
and that you don't apply to your life.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
It takes me a long time to do that. Like
an example, in Psalms, listen, o daughter, consider and incline
your ear. Forget your own people, also in your father's house.
So the king will greatly desire your beauty because he
is your lord. Worship him. So my question is also,
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am I worshiping family members more than you?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Well, you tell me in what sense? Why would you
even bring that up?
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Because the passage says to forget my own people and
to worship him.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
But really that's about worst case scenario. What it is
is to say that everything should be put God should
be put above everything always. Even in the New Testament,
you'll find places where I say, Matthew, I did not
come to bring peace, but to bring a sword, a
sword that divides families. And really, is it about that
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I want to divide families? No, But if there is
something that is weighing you down, that is keeping you
from God, absolutely you need to separate yourself from it. Now,
very rarely is that the case in a family, But
there are cases where that's even true. Maybe you're in
an abusive family situation where they are holding you down
or keeping you from understanding or learning or moving on,
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or there are people in your life that are family
members that are being oppressive in the things that they
do or mocking you for your faith. There may be
times where you are to say, well, you know what,
I'm focusing on God and separating myself from you. That's
what it's talking about. It's not saying automatically you're worshiping
your family. But there are those that do that turn
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us away from God just to focus on their family,
and they miss the point and lose the importance. Lucy,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Hi Jesus, how are you?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I am well, Lucy, how are you good? How can
I help?
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
We were just talking yesterday about.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Reincarnation, and actually I was talking because of my granddaughter.
She's always talking like she's been somewhere else besides here
and she's only five. So what does script you'll actually
say about reincarnation.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Well, reincarnation doesn't work with the with the Christian concept
of how you know, God works interacts with the world.
And a lot of people think, oh, well, it was removed. No,
it wasn't removed. It doesn't make any sense. Uh. Reincarnation
kind of reminds me of a of a really bad
washing machine that you got to keep putting the clothes
back in four or five times until you get them
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clean enough. And that just doesn't fit with Christianity. Uh.
In scripture verse let's see a good one to go
too would be Hebrews chapter nine, verse twenty seven says,
and inasmuch as it is appointed for man to die
once and after this comes judgment. Also two Corinthians five
to eight, as Paul talking about to be absent from
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the body is to be present with the Lord. None
of those options really give way to the concept of reincarnation.
Plus having people talk about oh, well, small children remember this.
There were years ago there was a young painter and
people said, oh, it's Picasso reincarnated. Look the way she paints. Well,
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they look like Picasto painting sort of. They have certain styles.
But to say that she's a reincarnated Picasso is silly.
The fact is that there's similarities in people, and there's
things that people perceive to be memories, especially at young age,
when really it's them a kind of a collective, you know,
receiving these images or understanding things in life that they
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don't know where they came from, or like an adult
would adult would go, oh, the TV was on and
I heard that, or I heard someone having a conversation
or whatever. A child sometimes oftentimes can apply these things
to their own life and think that it was something
they experienced. Also, really, when it comes to reincarnation and
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something some sorrow, the cycle of life and karmic debt,
there's some major philosophical problems with it because if you
can't understand what you did, if you don't remember every
moment of every life you lived, you cannot learn from it. Therefore,
karmic debt doesn't make sense because if you're for instance,
if you're hit with a stick, someone might say, well,
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that person who hit you with a stick needs to
be punished because they shouldn't be hitting people with sticks.
But then you could run to the other side of
karmaic debt and say, oh, but wait a second, what
if that guy was hitting him with a stick fulfilling
the punishment that the guy being hit deserved because of
something he did. And it causes this great kind of
infinite regression of well what if and what if this?
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And what if that? And really philosophically becomes a problem
and logically becomes a huge problem. So you can't learn
from it, and he can't learn from it, then it
doesn't have any value or anything that you can take
with you. So the whole concept of do over, I
get a do over is very childlike in a way
of saying, well, if I don't get it right, then
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I get to do it again. It's not about that.
It's not about this world, and people keep trying to
make it about this world and coming back to this world.
It's not about this world. It's never was supposed to
be about this world. This is a process, a path
that world, and it's like people worshiping the bridge instead
of the part of land that you're trying to go
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to to want to stay on that bridge the whole
time going wow, well I'm comfortable on this bridge. No,
this is merely a ladder. It's a process of getting there.
But it's not one that you have to keep taking
over and over again. Either you learn it or you don't,
and you're accountable. You're countable for the rebelliousness of it.
It's not about learning more. You know enough to know God.
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It's that you reject God that's the problem. Not whether
you need to come back and learn more about God.
You know God already. You just either rebel and want
to do what you want to do, or you accept
to his will. That's it, short and simple, Tom, Welcome
to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Hey, thank you very much, Jesus. Basically, what I was
wanting to ask you about was if you could give
me some clarification to about Judas. And yeah, you probably
I'm sitting away, like in the last couple of years,
they've found these writings. I don't know if you want
to call it the Gospel of Judas or whatever they
would call it. The Book of Judas hasn't really been
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They refer to.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
It mostly as the Gospel.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Of judis right right, and well, really, when I when
I had heard about it, like the things that talks
about really makes a lot of sense to things that
I'd already been thinking for years.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Like.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
You know, like everyone, oh, he's a trader, he's this
and that and everything, but like you know, like or
was he really like your best friend? How is so
much described all the time? Like who else could you
really trust? Because you came here to do what you did?
How is he a trader? Could you really trust the
other guys? Were they like that much of your friend
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to where like or would they like no, we got
to protect him. But like he understood because he was
your pal, he knew what you had to do, and
you were he was the only guy you could really
go to to be like look you know and like
and I mean, if that's what has to happen anyways,
and you get some Roman money out of it, I mean,
but no one, no.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
One had to betray me, No one.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
But did he yes or even in there that you
had come to him, Because I.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Know there's people that say that I had come to
him asked him to do it. No, no one had to.
No one had to. I was going to be caught.
They were already on their way. He didn't have to
sell me out. You could have found me at any place.
I spoke publicly all the time. I'll explain more about
my relationship with Judas and why it's different than a
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lot of people think in just a moment. Okay, So
talking a little bit about the gospel, the so called
gospel of Judas, and who Judas was to me and
what it meant for him to betray Now, I know
a lot of people get confused and caught up in this.
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Judas was a young rebellious guy who was somebody who
wanted to defeat Rome, and there were many of them.
There were the group that chanted Barabbas were made up
of a lot of these types as well Barabbas and himself,
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these types that were believing that the Messiah was going
to come and destroy Rome and kind of more of
a military leader of sorts that would destroy Rome and
protect the Jews. And when this did not turn out
to be who I was at that time, Judas was
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frustrated with me. He was frustrated with my desire for peace,
my desire to focus on the things of God and
not just the things of the political realm. Making statements
like render under God, what is God's render under Caesar?
What is Caesar's and things like that frustrated him quite
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a bit. In this relationship that we had was starting
to fall apart. Based on that. He did not need
to betray me. No one did. The soldiers would have
found me, they would have come and they would have
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found me, and that would have been that. No one
needed to say, hey, I can bring you to him.
No one needed to say, hey, I know where he
goes after hours or after his sermons, and where he's
going to be resting. I know when he's going to
be eating with his friends and stuff like that. No
one needed to do any of that. So the Gospel
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of Judas, which is not a recognized work, it falls
more into gnosticism, and there was a large group that
felt that they had special knowledge. Interestingly enough, this talks
about in this book that Judas actually had was the
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only one that got the true gospel from me. That
essentially I spoke, you know, to everyone, spoke publicly, spoke
to the other apostles, but really only gave the truth
to Judas. And that goes along with the gnostic belief
that they get special knowledge above and beyond what everyone
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else is getting. But this text has a lot of
problems with it, and it's dating and the like, not
to mention a good chunk of its missing. So with
all of that not driving and scripture being very clear
as to what took place, there's no need for it.
This this desire to have these works that were written
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obviously much much later. In this particular context. You're looking
at AD one thirty to a D one eighty. And
there are are those that believe it was even talked
about in the early Church by a Christian writer Aaron
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Ais who despised it and talked about it and saying
that it was garbage. Then this particular work. So it's
been around for a while, but not really long enough
to make any real impact. And I know everyone's looking
for kind of another answer when it comes to Judas,
because people think, well, why was Judas punished? If Christ
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had to die, if that was the goal, if I
had to go to the cross, that was all part
of redemption, then why was Judas punished for it? Wouldn't
that have been a good thing that he was doing. Well, No,
because he didn't need to do it. There wasn't you know,
a need for that at all, And everything would have
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gone with or without Judas participating. But by his free will,
he chose to do it, and chose to do it
for personal gain, and in doing so was completely rebelling
against God because in his view, as many scholars believe,
he was rebellious to my goals and my desires, which
was first as a lamb, second as a lion. So
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coming in that state of peace as that lamb was
not what Judas wanted. He wanted an aggressor, and so
many scholars believe that really it was a state of
rebellion that drove Judas to do what he did, not
some private conversation he and I had where I told him, hey, listen,
you gotta do this. No, you go to Israel. You'll
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notice it's not that big of a place. It would
not have been hard for them to find me. The
reason why they made this exchange is because they wanted
someone on the inside. And you know, they weren't paying
at ten the same way everyone else was paying attention.
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You know, they, the Romans at the time, saw all
of us as a group of nutty people that you know,
believed in this this monotheistic god and all these things.
And oh and they all kind of look alike to us,
and all of these things. And it wasn't that they
couldn't do it on their own. They certainly could and
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would have eventually. But they figured if they could get
an insider, just like any other military type, to get
inside information to expedite the process, they would do so.
And for thirty pieces of silver, they'd do it. And
that's where that's where that comes from. But there wasn't
there wasn't any special bond with Judas that I didn't
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have with the others, and that gets lost in all
of these ideas. Well, how could it have been a sin?
He was doing something good. No, he didn't need to
participate in that in that way, not at all. My
death was going to happen. Absolutely, I had to die,
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but I didn't need Judas's help to do it. That
was something that he chose to do on his own
that became a problem for him. Lance, Welcome to the
Jesus Christ Show. Yes, Jesus.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
What I'd like to find out is two thousand years ago,
when you were a eleven year old boy and you
walked in front of a mirror, what did you see?
Was it a blaxi haired boy with blue eyes, or
olive skinned boy with darker hair, or maybe a black
skinned boy with black hair. I'm curious and would like
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to have your answer.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
The descriptions and scripture are quite light. There's not a
whole lot there to pull from. So what you do
is you kind of pull from what's known about the region.
The you know, blonde hair, blue eyed image that you
see is obviously not accurate. Although there you know Israeli.
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There are Israelis with quite light eyes and even light
hair that really around the time, you're going to find
much darker skin and darker complexion all the way around,
the darker hair and all of that. The reason why
a lot of depictions of me tend to lean towards
the blonde hair, blue eyed, or the very Aryan or
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European looking Jesus is artistic license, usually to set me
a part of the others in the frame, whatever it be,
whether it be a film, television show, a play, or
even a painting, that that was a way to make
me look different or to stand out. Also the fact
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that the assumption would be that there would be something
about my eyes that would make me stand out. And
really we read from Isaiah earlier talking about, you know,
prophecies dealing with my coming, and in Isaiah when it
talks about those things, it describes this person that is
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to come as someone who doesn't have any physical characteristics
that would make you want to follow him. So there
was nothing about me that made people follow me just
for that like, Wow, he's really good looking, I'm going
to follow him. But for film and television and all
those things, they adapt it that way. So that's why
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you see these kind of very Aryan looking paintings and
the fact is, my skin is going to be much
closer to someone that you would say was black, or
in the United States you would say that they were
African American or things like that. So the color of
my skin and my appearance much darker, much much darker,
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and much less kind of Caucasian and Arian and all
of those appearances that you tend to see in movies
and the like. And of course, if you read through
Scripture First Corinthians, Second Corinthians, James, and you hear about
the mirror being used, it's not like the mirror that
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you have today. I know you were using it to say, hey,
what'd you look like, But the mirrors were quite different
to speak of, usually polished metal, coppers, bronze, things like that,
and we're quite distorted. However, I get what you're saying.
You're asking about what my appearance was, and that pretty
much sums it up. Just much different than what you'd think,
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but completely average in the context of the time and
the people. Deborah, welcome to the Jesus Christ. Saw Hello,
Hi Deborah, how can I help you?
Speaker 7 (23:03):
Is this Jesus?
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yes? Is this Deborah?
Speaker 7 (23:06):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (23:06):
It is all right?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Roll call is done. How can I help you.
Speaker 8 (23:10):
Oh hi, oh gosh. My husband passed away last year unexpectedly,
and he was like a just a wonderful Christian man,
bill mad integrity, and oh, I can't.
Speaker 9 (23:25):
Say enough good things about him. If I loved him dearly,
and we weren't married terribly long, just seven years, but
we've known each other since childhood, and we both thought.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
We were the two luckiest people in the world.
Speaker 9 (23:40):
But anyway, he passed away suddenly, with without a will,
and so now I'm in that whole probate being with
his family. But all the even all the money issues
into us, you know, I can, I'll deal with I'll
get by somehow.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Yes, I don't know how to get by.
Speaker 7 (23:58):
Without my husband.
Speaker 8 (23:59):
I listened so terribly every day.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Of course, I know he's with you, because that's his rewarded.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
I'm happy for him, I truly am.
Speaker 9 (24:09):
He doesn't have any pain and he's you know, he's
he's with you, and that makes me smile.
Speaker 7 (24:15):
But for myself, I don't know how to live without
him anymore.
Speaker 9 (24:19):
I don't I want to.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
Be with him.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Of course she can't come back.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I want to go to him.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
I don't know what to.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Do and that will happen in its proper time. Don't
rush that, but I don't want to wait.
Speaker 7 (24:33):
Impatience.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Sorry, but there's much more there. There was times where
you guys weren't together either.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
Oh, we spent every minute together. What we could was
every minute.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Well yes, well you were together, yes, and that was important.
But you had to find him and come across him
as well. There's so much. And just think that if
for some reason you would have stopped looking or not
seeing him as an option or experience that there. You
can't know these things. And I know that you're in
pain now and that and that's totally legitimate, and you
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need to feel that pain. But there's a point where
you'll have to look at the goodness that was experienced,
and that you don't know what's to come from hereafter
you don't know.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
I do look at the and I try to remind
myself I wouldn't tread right now. This pasture is the
nightmare with his family and everything. I love them like
my own and they turned against me, I guess because
I think I have some money or whatever. And I
haven't seen him since four days after my husband passed away, and.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
So I have all that hurt too.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
You know that betrayal that I don't. I don't even
understand it. I can comprehend it.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
He was.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
We're both happier than two people even deserve. And sometimes
I ask.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Myself, is that why you took him?
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Because we were too happy?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I no, no, don't be no, of course not. It's
because you had only a certain amount of time.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
God knew that moment, and he loved you.
Speaker 7 (26:06):
He take my hand every day and pray with me
and thank you for the food, and you know, even
in a restaurant, and he's I don't care who looks
at me because because they're not you know, no man,
if they don't pray. And he's just the best person
on earth, and he taught me so many wonderful lessons.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I just don't.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
I don't have to get along without him.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
You do, you did before. Now it's not your time,
and you can't rush that if you're not respecting the
very thing that you believe in that he believed what
you had.
Speaker 7 (26:42):
I don't want to be a bad Christian, you know,
thank you that.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
But it's like I don't have I have children and
they're good.
Speaker 7 (26:49):
I got the best kids, and they love me. I
know they do, and I love them, but it's so
all alone.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
But you're not. You're not alone all these feelings. I
get it. And you're in a situation where you're dealing
with family and it gets ugly and all those things
compound this. But the truth is, if you believe and
he believed, then he's right where he should be and
you're going to miss him. But I know better. You
trusted me to bring him to you. Now you need
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to trust me through the rest of this. That's it,
and you can't otherwise you're going to look for every
opportunity to reject God, every opportunity to fall away. And
I don't want that. I want you to hold on, Debra,
because we're up against a break. But I want to
talk to you off the air. I know these things.
When you lose someone, there's times of pain. But as believers,
you have to imply. You have to apply that faith
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that you keep talking to everyone about, and this is
the time to apply it, to understand and to know
that he is with God and that's where he should be,
not where you should be. I know time goes by quick.
I thank you so much for joining me every single
Sunday and more importantly than all this craziness, remember these
very simple but truthful words. I am with few always
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Lynn, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
I had a question, you know, is there a difference
between legality and morality here on earth? I mean, we're
all standing before God. But just so somebody says it's
legal doesn't make it right. I'm a single mom and
there's been a piece of cake for me to go
sell my body and live before Christ, knowing that I've
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seen in that way. But I was just wondering, is
it legal or moral? Is if they say it's all right,
it's all right, but you know, when you come to.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
The maker, absolutely well, there's there's I'm struggling. Now, there's
two differences. The United States is governed by the Constitution.
The Christian is governed by the Bible. So there there
are two different things. Bible always wins to the Christian.
So if there was anything in any of the laws
of any land that were contradictory to scripture and forced
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you to do something that you felt was the more yeah,
in that sense, then uh, then obviously Scripture wins out.
And that's those are the things that you fight for.
For instance, if the government of the United States. Ever
said that you could not worship Christianity, or you couldn't
own a Bible, or you couldn't go to church or
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any of those things, then that would be a problem.
If the if and that's.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
What we stand for, and that's freedom of speech kind
of well.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
If only it were that easy, my.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Goodness, I'm just trying to solve all the words problems.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Well, but but your but your attitude and your point
absolutely correct. Len that that legality versus morality. There are
times where there are things that are legal, but they
aren't moral, and you have to know the difference between
the two. And there's some things that are legal and
not a sin for some, but legal and a sin
for For instance, it is legal to drink wine with dinner.
(02:05):
It is morally okay to drink wine with dinner. However,
if you're an alcoholic, it's not morally okay for you
to drink wine, and both of you, it's not okay
to drink wine or liquor with dinner and drive. So
it's the context of what you're saying is always going
(02:27):
to be important too. So it depends on the individual,
depends on the laws of the land, and it depends
on scripture, and so that Christian is always bound by
the two things both the Constitution of the United States.
As a Christian in the United States, but you're also
bound by scripture. Scripture is what's leading you morally. The
Constitution is what leads legally. But there are people that
(02:48):
aren't Christians in the United States that may be bound
morally by a different standard, and the Constitution has to
allow for them to be able to practice or worship
or live their life the way they want to as well.
And that's kind of the big concept of the melting
pot making the United States a truly unique place to live. Courtney,
(03:17):
Welcome to The Jesus Christ Show. Hello, Hi Courtney, how
can I help you?
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Hi?
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I was am I on the area.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yes you are.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Okay. I love this show. And my question to you
is when I read your word and certain passages leap
out and then are confirmed in other passages, why does
it take me so long to respond okay Christian?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Well, yes, Christians can have a d D and many do.
So you're saying that there's things that you read, yeah,
and that you don't apply to your life.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
It takes me a long time to do that. Like
an example, in Psalms, listen, o daughter, consider and incline
your ear. Forget your own people, also in your father's house.
So the king will greatly desire your beauty because he
is your lord. Worship him. So my question is also,
(04:27):
am I worshiping family members more than you?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Well, you tell me in what sense? Why would you
even bring that up?
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Because the passage says to forget my own people and
to worship him.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
But really that's about worst case scenario. What it is
is to say that everything should be put God should
be put above everything always. Even in the New Testament,
you'll find places where I say, Matthew, I did not
come to bring peace, but to bring a sword, a
sword that divides families. And really, is it about that
(05:08):
I want to divide families? No, But if there is
something that is weighing you down, that is keeping you
from God, absolutely you need to separate yourself from it. Now,
very rarely is that the case in a family, But
there are cases where that's even true. Maybe you're in
an abusive family situation where they are holding you down
or keeping you from understanding or learning or moving on,
(05:32):
or there are people in your life that are family
members that are being oppressive in the things that they
do or mocking you for your faith. There may be
times where you are to say, well, you know what,
I'm focusing on God and separating myself from you. That's
what it's talking about. It's not saying automatically you're worshiping
your family. But there are those that do that turn
(05:54):
us away from God just to focus on their family,
and they miss the point and lose the importance. Lucy,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Hi Jesus, how are you?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I am well, Lucy, how are you good? How can
I help?
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
We were just talking yesterday about.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Reincarnation, and actually I was talking because of my granddaughter.
She's always talking like she's been somewhere else besides here
and she's only five. So what does script you'll actually
say about reincarnation.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Well, reincarnation doesn't work with the with the Christian concept
of how you know, God works interacts with the world.
And a lot of people think, oh, well, it was removed. No,
it wasn't removed. It doesn't make any sense. Uh. Reincarnation
kind of reminds me of a of a really bad
washing machine that you got to keep putting the clothes
back in four or five times until you get them
(06:51):
clean enough. And that just doesn't fit with Christianity. Uh.
In scripture verse let's see a good one to go
too would be Hebrews chapter nine, verse twenty seven says,
and inasmuch as it is appointed for man to die
once and after this comes judgment. Also two Corinthians five
to eight, as Paul talking about to be absent from
(07:15):
the body is to be present with the Lord. None
of those options really give way to the concept of reincarnation.
Plus having people talk about oh, well, small children remember this.
There were years ago there was a young painter and
people said, oh, it's Picasso reincarnated. Look the way she paints. Well,
(07:39):
they look like Picasto painting sort of. They have certain styles.
But to say that she's a reincarnated Picasso is silly.
The fact is that there's similarities in people, and there's
things that people perceive to be memories, especially at young age,
when really it's them a kind of a collective, you know,
receiving these images or understanding things in life that they
(08:02):
don't know where they came from, or like an adult
would adult would go, oh, the TV was on and
I heard that, or I heard someone having a conversation
or whatever. A child sometimes oftentimes can apply these things
to their own life and think that it was something
they experienced. Also, really, when it comes to reincarnation and
(08:22):
something some sorrow, the cycle of life and karmic debt,
there's some major philosophical problems with it because if you
can't understand what you did, if you don't remember every
moment of every life you lived, you cannot learn from it. Therefore,
karmic debt doesn't make sense because if you're for instance,
if you're hit with a stick, someone might say, well,
(08:45):
that person who hit you with a stick needs to
be punished because they shouldn't be hitting people with sticks.
But then you could run to the other side of
karmaic debt and say, oh, but wait a second, what
if that guy was hitting him with a stick fulfilling
the punishment that the guy being hit deserved because of
something he did. And it causes this great kind of
infinite regression of well what if and what if this?
(09:08):
And what if that? And really philosophically becomes a problem
and logically becomes a huge problem. So you can't learn
from it, and he can't learn from it, then it
doesn't have any value or anything that you can take
with you. So the whole concept of do over, I
get a do over is very childlike in a way
of saying, well, if I don't get it right, then
(09:31):
I get to do it again. It's not about that.
It's not about this world, and people keep trying to
make it about this world and coming back to this world.
It's not about this world. It's never was supposed to
be about this world. This is a process, a path
that world, and it's like people worshiping the bridge instead
of the part of land that you're trying to go
(09:52):
to to want to stay on that bridge the whole
time going wow, well I'm comfortable on this bridge. No,
this is merely a ladder. It's a process of getting there.
But it's not one that you have to keep taking
over and over again. Either you learn it or you don't,
and you're accountable. You're countable for the rebelliousness of it.
It's not about learning more. You know enough to know God.
(10:14):
It's that you reject God that's the problem. Not whether
you need to come back and learn more about God.
You know God already. You just either rebel and want
to do what you want to do, or you accept
to his will. That's it, short and simple, Tom, Welcome
to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Hey, thank you very much, Jesus. Basically, what I was
wanting to ask you about was if you could give
me some clarification to about Judas. And yeah, you probably
I'm sitting away, like in the last couple of years,
they've found these writings. I don't know if you want
to call it the Gospel of Judas or whatever they
would call it. The Book of Judas hasn't really been
(10:57):
They refer to.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
It mostly as the Gospel.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Of judis right right, and well, really, when I when
I had heard about it, like the things that talks
about really makes a lot of sense to things that
I'd already been thinking for years.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Like.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
You know, like everyone, oh, he's a trader, he's this
and that and everything, but like you know, like or
was he really like your best friend? How is so
much described all the time? Like who else could you
really trust? Because you came here to do what you did?
How is he a trader? Could you really trust the
other guys? Were they like that much of your friend
(11:34):
to where like or would they like no, we got
to protect him. But like he understood because he was
your pal, he knew what you had to do, and
you were he was the only guy you could really
go to to be like look you know and like
and I mean, if that's what has to happen anyways,
and you get some Roman money out of it, I mean,
but no one, no.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
One had to betray me, No one.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
But did he yes or even in there that you
had come to him, Because I.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Know there's people that say that I had come to
him asked him to do it. No, no one had to.
No one had to. I was going to be caught.
They were already on their way. He didn't have to
sell me out. You could have found me at any place.
I spoke publicly all the time. I'll explain more about
my relationship with Judas and why it's different than a
(12:26):
lot of people think in just a moment. Okay, So
talking a little bit about the gospel, the so called
gospel of Judas, and who Judas was to me and
what it meant for him to betray Now, I know
a lot of people get confused and caught up in this.
(12:49):
Judas was a young rebellious guy who was somebody who
wanted to defeat Rome, and there were many of them.
There were the group that chanted Barabbas were made up
of a lot of these types as well Barabbas and himself,
(13:13):
these types that were believing that the Messiah was going
to come and destroy Rome and kind of more of
a military leader of sorts that would destroy Rome and
protect the Jews. And when this did not turn out
to be who I was at that time, Judas was
(13:38):
frustrated with me. He was frustrated with my desire for peace,
my desire to focus on the things of God and
not just the things of the political realm. Making statements
like render under God, what is God's render under Caesar?
What is Caesar's and things like that frustrated him quite
(13:58):
a bit. In this relationship that we had was starting
to fall apart. Based on that. He did not need
to betray me. No one did. The soldiers would have
found me, they would have come and they would have
(14:18):
found me, and that would have been that. No one
needed to say, hey, I can bring you to him.
No one needed to say, hey, I know where he
goes after hours or after his sermons, and where he's
going to be resting. I know when he's going to
be eating with his friends and stuff like that. No
one needed to do any of that. So the Gospel
(14:41):
of Judas, which is not a recognized work, it falls
more into gnosticism, and there was a large group that
felt that they had special knowledge. Interestingly enough, this talks
about in this book that Judas actually had was the
(15:04):
only one that got the true gospel from me. That
essentially I spoke, you know, to everyone, spoke publicly, spoke
to the other apostles, but really only gave the truth
to Judas. And that goes along with the gnostic belief
that they get special knowledge above and beyond what everyone
(15:27):
else is getting. But this text has a lot of
problems with it, and it's dating and the like, not
to mention a good chunk of its missing. So with
all of that not driving and scripture being very clear
as to what took place, there's no need for it.
This this desire to have these works that were written
(15:50):
obviously much much later. In this particular context. You're looking
at AD one thirty to a D one eighty. And
there are are those that believe it was even talked
about in the early Church by a Christian writer Aaron
(16:11):
Ais who despised it and talked about it and saying
that it was garbage. Then this particular work. So it's
been around for a while, but not really long enough
to make any real impact. And I know everyone's looking
for kind of another answer when it comes to Judas,
because people think, well, why was Judas punished? If Christ
(16:32):
had to die, if that was the goal, if I
had to go to the cross, that was all part
of redemption, then why was Judas punished for it? Wouldn't
that have been a good thing that he was doing. Well, No,
because he didn't need to do it. There wasn't you know,
a need for that at all, And everything would have
(16:56):
gone with or without Judas participating. But by his free will,
he chose to do it, and chose to do it
for personal gain, and in doing so was completely rebelling
against God because in his view, as many scholars believe,
he was rebellious to my goals and my desires, which
was first as a lamb, second as a lion. So
(17:21):
coming in that state of peace as that lamb was
not what Judas wanted. He wanted an aggressor, and so
many scholars believe that really it was a state of
rebellion that drove Judas to do what he did, not
some private conversation he and I had where I told him, hey, listen,
you gotta do this. No, you go to Israel. You'll
(17:43):
notice it's not that big of a place. It would
not have been hard for them to find me. The
reason why they made this exchange is because they wanted
someone on the inside. And you know, they weren't paying
at ten the same way everyone else was paying attention.
(18:04):
You know, they, the Romans at the time, saw all
of us as a group of nutty people that you know,
believed in this this monotheistic god and all these things.
And oh and they all kind of look alike to us,
and all of these things. And it wasn't that they
couldn't do it on their own. They certainly could and
(18:24):
would have eventually. But they figured if they could get
an insider, just like any other military type, to get
inside information to expedite the process, they would do so.
And for thirty pieces of silver, they'd do it. And
that's where that's where that comes from. But there wasn't
there wasn't any special bond with Judas that I didn't
(18:46):
have with the others, and that gets lost in all
of these ideas. Well, how could it have been a sin?
He was doing something good. No, he didn't need to
participate in that in that way, not at all. My
death was going to happen. Absolutely, I had to die,
(19:11):
but I didn't need Judas's help to do it. That
was something that he chose to do on his own
that became a problem for him. Lance, Welcome to the
Jesus Christ Show. Yes, Jesus.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
What I'd like to find out is two thousand years ago,
when you were a eleven year old boy and you
walked in front of a mirror, what did you see?
Was it a blaxi haired boy with blue eyes, or
olive skinned boy with darker hair, or maybe a black
skinned boy with black hair. I'm curious and would like
(19:50):
to have your answer.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
The descriptions and scripture are quite light. There's not a
whole lot there to pull from. So what you do
is you kind of pull from what's known about the region.
The you know, blonde hair, blue eyed image that you
see is obviously not accurate. Although there you know Israeli.
(20:16):
There are Israelis with quite light eyes and even light
hair that really around the time, you're going to find
much darker skin and darker complexion all the way around,
the darker hair and all of that. The reason why
a lot of depictions of me tend to lean towards
the blonde hair, blue eyed, or the very Aryan or
(20:38):
European looking Jesus is artistic license, usually to set me
a part of the others in the frame, whatever it be,
whether it be a film, television show, a play, or
even a painting, that that was a way to make
me look different or to stand out. Also the fact
(21:00):
that the assumption would be that there would be something
about my eyes that would make me stand out. And
really we read from Isaiah earlier talking about, you know,
prophecies dealing with my coming, and in Isaiah when it
talks about those things, it describes this person that is
(21:24):
to come as someone who doesn't have any physical characteristics
that would make you want to follow him. So there
was nothing about me that made people follow me just
for that like, Wow, he's really good looking, I'm going
to follow him. But for film and television and all
those things, they adapt it that way. So that's why
(21:45):
you see these kind of very Aryan looking paintings and
the fact is, my skin is going to be much
closer to someone that you would say was black, or
in the United States you would say that they were
African American or things like that. So the color of
my skin and my appearance much darker, much much darker,
(22:07):
and much less kind of Caucasian and Arian and all
of those appearances that you tend to see in movies
and the like. And of course, if you read through
Scripture First Corinthians, Second Corinthians, James, and you hear about
the mirror being used, it's not like the mirror that
(22:27):
you have today. I know you were using it to say, hey,
what'd you look like, But the mirrors were quite different
to speak of, usually polished metal, coppers, bronze, things like that,
and we're quite distorted. However, I get what you're saying.
You're asking about what my appearance was, and that pretty
much sums it up. Just much different than what you'd think,
(22:48):
but completely average in the context of the time and
the people. Deborah, welcome to the Jesus Christ. Saw Hello,
Hi Deborah, how can I help you?
Speaker 7 (23:03):
Is this Jesus?
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yes? Is this Deborah?
Speaker 7 (23:06):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (23:06):
It is all right?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Roll call is done. How can I help you.
Speaker 8 (23:10):
Oh hi, oh gosh. My husband passed away last year unexpectedly,
and he was like a just a wonderful Christian man,
bill mad integrity, and oh, I can't.
Speaker 9 (23:25):
Say enough good things about him. If I loved him dearly,
and we weren't married terribly long, just seven years, but
we've known each other since childhood, and we both thought.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
We were the two luckiest people in the world.
Speaker 9 (23:40):
But anyway, he passed away suddenly, with without a will,
and so now I'm in that whole probate being with
his family. But all the even all the money issues
into us, you know, I can, I'll deal with I'll
get by somehow.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Yes, I don't know how to get by.
Speaker 7 (23:58):
Without my husband.
Speaker 8 (23:59):
I listened so terribly every day.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Of course, I know he's with you, because that's his rewarded.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
I'm happy for him, I truly am.
Speaker 9 (24:09):
He doesn't have any pain and he's you know, he's
he's with you, and that makes me smile.
Speaker 7 (24:15):
But for myself, I don't know how to live without
him anymore.
Speaker 9 (24:19):
I don't I want to.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
Be with him.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Of course she can't come back.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I want to go to him.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
I don't know what to.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Do and that will happen in its proper time. Don't
rush that, but I don't want to wait.
Speaker 7 (24:33):
Impatience.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Sorry, but there's much more there. There was times where
you guys weren't together either.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
Oh, we spent every minute together. What we could was
every minute.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Well yes, well you were together, yes, and that was important.
But you had to find him and come across him
as well. There's so much. And just think that if
for some reason you would have stopped looking or not
seeing him as an option or experience that there. You
can't know these things. And I know that you're in
pain now and that and that's totally legitimate, and you
(25:08):
need to feel that pain. But there's a point where
you'll have to look at the goodness that was experienced,
and that you don't know what's to come from hereafter
you don't know.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
I do look at the and I try to remind
myself I wouldn't tread right now. This pasture is the
nightmare with his family and everything. I love them like
my own and they turned against me, I guess because
I think I have some money or whatever. And I
haven't seen him since four days after my husband passed away, and.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
So I have all that hurt too.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
You know that betrayal that I don't. I don't even
understand it. I can comprehend it.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
He was.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
We're both happier than two people even deserve. And sometimes
I ask.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Myself, is that why you took him?
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Because we were too happy?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I no, no, don't be no, of course not. It's
because you had only a certain amount of time.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
God knew that moment, and he loved you.
Speaker 7 (26:06):
He take my hand every day and pray with me
and thank you for the food, and you know, even
in a restaurant, and he's I don't care who looks
at me because because they're not you know, no man,
if they don't pray. And he's just the best person
on earth, and he taught me so many wonderful lessons.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I just don't.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
I don't have to get along without him.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
You do, you did before. Now it's not your time,
and you can't rush that if you're not respecting the
very thing that you believe in that he believed what
you had.
Speaker 7 (26:42):
I don't want to be a bad Christian, you know,
thank you that.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
But it's like I don't have I have children and
they're good.
Speaker 7 (26:49):
I got the best kids, and they love me. I
know they do, and I love them, but it's so
all alone.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
But you're not. You're not alone all these feelings. I
get it. And you're in a situation where you're dealing
with family and it gets ugly and all those things
compound this. But the truth is, if you believe and
he believed, then he's right where he should be and
you're going to miss him. But I know better. You
trusted me to bring him to you. Now you need
(27:17):
to trust me through the rest of this. That's it,
and you can't otherwise you're going to look for every
opportunity to reject God, every opportunity to fall away. And
I don't want that. I want you to hold on, Debra,
because we're up against a break. But I want to
talk to you off the air. I know these things.
When you lose someone, there's times of pain. But as believers,
you have to imply. You have to apply that faith
(27:40):
that you keep talking to everyone about, and this is
the time to apply it, to understand and to know
that he is with God and that's where he should be,
not where you should be. I know time goes by quick.
I thank you so much for joining me every single
Sunday and more importantly than all this craziness, remember these
very simple but truthful words. I am with few always
(28:03):
k f I.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
A M six forty on demand
Speaker 3 (28:08):
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