February 1, 2026 • 28 mins
Raised Catholic converted to Protestant
Calling your Pastor father
Outspoken at Work
People that do bad in Jesus name
What is love
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI A six forty on demand.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Raselli, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
How can I help you?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Well, I've was born I mean, I'm sorry, I was
raised Catholic. My mom is Catholic and has been forever.
That's how she was raised, and I recently became born
in Christian It's something that has always spoken to me.
And every time I come around her, she's been aware
now that I've been attending, you know, this Christian church,
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and she always attacks me. And I'm trying to be
as calm as I can, but I don't know how
to approach her because it's always you know, indirect comments
that you know, there's certain you know, books in the
Bible that are not there in the Catholic that there
aren't in the Christian, you know. And I just I
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know that I shouldn't be upset, but I just I
don't know how to be around her. I mean, I
want to build a relationship with my mom, but it's
kind of hard when she's trying to bring me down
when I'm trying to build a closer relationship to you.
So I don't know what to do.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Well, there's little things that you can do little tips. Okay,
First of all, when you refer to yourself as Christian
or to your Bible as Christian, that's going to frustrate
your mom because hers is Christian as well. Yes, it's
a matter of being a Protestant. And you know you
slow the word down Protant. It means protester, those that
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protested the Catholic the early Catholic Church, and that the
protesters are the Protestants of which you are now one.
And there are many different denominations within that Protestant umbrella.
You know, there's been long battles going on, some ugly
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in other parts of the world, some very ugly that
went on for people to establish those two different belief systems.
I always say it's healthier to focus on the things
that you guys have in common rather than things that
you disagree with, unless it comes in healthy conversation. My producer,
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Neil was raised Catholic and became a Protestant at about
the age of seventeen and remembers quite vividly walking into
the house drenched after being baptized again and the questions
that ensued from his a gobsmacked mother, a devout Catholic,
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so they but there's also things. There's like this pride
that you can control that comes quite honestly comes from
the Protestant side. Nine out of ten times when somebody converts,
they come into it with this puffed up chest. I
know the truth and you don't have the truth. And
you've got all these weird books in the Bible that
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are you know, from the apocrypha, and you guys separate
the Ten Commandments weird, and all these different things that
you start going through, and why does Jesus have to
be up on the cross looking like a mess, And
then people start going through this you're worshiping marry and
all these things. Okay, So rather than starting there, it
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maybe come to a place where there's an agreement and
to to thank your mother for giving you the structure
and understanding to look even seek truth and to be
curious and hungry for these things. And you know, he
praise on her for the things that she did give
you that helped you even have a desire at all.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Too.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Because there's plenty of people that were raised Catholic that
don't go to Catholic church, Protestant church, or any church.
So I would try and focus on the similarities for now.
If you know, as we say on this program, you
never changed the mind of a devout Catholic, a devout Protestant,
and about atheist, at about jew a devout Mormon, you
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change the mind of a devout truth seeker, because that
is somebody who wants the knowledge and wants to learn
from it and say, I could be wrong. And in
this particular case, if you go at it as if
you're a have and she's a have, not, she's not
going to want to be around you. But who would
would you want to be around someone like that?
Speaker 5 (04:19):
No?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
No, of course not. So approach each other in love
and share, you know, mom daughter, things that maybe don't
have to do with that you know, hopefully it will
come up naturally. But explain to her because really she's
going to feel like she failed.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
You somehow she does.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
She does, and it's it's you know, I try to
tell her that this is a good thing. You know.
I didn't. I don't approach, I don't attack her and
her religion, but I feel when she comes at me,
it's like a back and forth and obviously that's not healthy.
So I'm trying to stop myself from you know, being
reeled in and buying it, you know, and getting all
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getting her all worked up. But you're right, should just
focus on what we have in common.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, don't go You're not at battle. You're not at battle.
You're a battle. You both are in battle, on the
same team against the same evils. But let her know
that it's not about something she didn't do. As a
matter of fact, you seeking it comes from the desire
and the curiosity and the things that she built in
you as a child. And this just seems to fit
you better, and that you hope that you can share
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back and forth one another and keep it that way,
And I think that's the healthiest way. Or you can
always do what my producer Neil did. You can go
on national radio pretend to be Jesus and that should
maybe take the edge off Susan. Welcome to the Jesus
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Christ Show. Yes, Hi, what's your question?
Speaker 6 (05:49):
Yes, I wondered. A friend of mine said that it
says in the Bible that you're not supposed to call
your past or father, and I just wondered if there
was any place in the Bible. She doesn't know where
it is, but she was gonna ask her pastor, but
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she just can't seem to ask him. And I'd like
to know there is a place in the Bible that
says that there is a.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Verse Matthew twenty three nine that says, and do not
call what was the verse Matthew twenty three to.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
Nine, twenty three nine, Okay, says.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
And do not call anyone on earth father, for you
have one father and he is in heaven. So that's
the verse that I would say she was using. But
let's look at it a little bit before I'll let
you go running with that verse and be some misunderstandings. Obviously,
it's not talking about anybody, because throughout scripture he refers
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to your earthly father as your father, right, So it's
not just about that. Really, it's about and there's a
discrepancy between and concern between the Catholic Church and the
Protestant Church when it comes to things like this. Whereas
the Protestant Church would would look at this and say
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that you cannot refer to any human being as infallible
spiritual masters or fathers. Now whether the Catholic Church would
say that's what they do with the pope or not,
which opens up a whole different discussion. But I would
say for the sake of your question that really, in
the context of what's being said, this statement is looking
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more about referring to human beings as these infallible spiritual masters,
and there is only one of those. But it doesn't
say that you can't call, you know, a fallible individual
or your own earthly father. It's not saying that at all.
Paul himself was considered to be a spiritual father of
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sorts to Timothy even refer to him as my beloved
son and two Timothy one two. So it's not about
not using the term father on earth at all. It's
about not using that capital f father concept of the perfect,
infallible God as the father of all creation. That's what
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it's saying. So you can use the word, and some
people can use it, you know, in church, and as
long as you understand the context, it's not a big deals.
If you're putting somebody on a pedestal and making them
infallible in some way, in some sense, is what the
verse is concerned with. So that we're not running around
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in church, right making somebody something that they're not. There
is but one father that is your true spiritual father.
And that is your father in heaven period. That's what
that's referring to. Ronald quickly, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Thank you so much, Jesus. I seem to be on
the wrong path. And I'm sixty years old. I haven't
worked consistently for the past two years, and I have
a fifteen year old daughter that somehow I see that
you know, I'm not I'm not being a good father
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and showing her a good example. Is what I'm trying
to say.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
In your particular situation, Why do you think you're out
of work and have been for two years?
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Oh, I don't know. Maybe sometimes my outspokenness and my politics.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
And isn't that kind of a polite way of saying
that your loud mouth.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
It's it's part. Yeah, that's one.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Outspoken this Well. I just I say that because and
here's a great rule of thumb when it comes to
being a listener versus being, you know, a speaker, is
no one ever comes home and says, oh man, me
and my big ears got me into trouble at work today,
you know what I'm saying. So no one ever gets
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in trouble for listening. It's always for spouting off. So
finding balance and those things are important. So you're outspoken,
we'll hang that in quotes and and you you your
opinions and you think that that's scutt and you canned.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
In some instances, not in most. No, I was I
was in an industry, the entertainment industry, and in that
industry that has caused me. Yeah, when I would spare,
why do.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
You tell them you were conservative or something? Yeah, okay,
that'll do it. You can tell them you're you're anything
you want to tell them, But if you tell them
you're conservative, it doesn't always fly. Well, I get that,
and I realize, and you know, this being radio and
kind of the the ugly step brother of entertainment there
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that I understand what you're saying. That entertainment kind of
puts forth this energy, your attitude that you can say
whatever you want. It's very casual and different points of
views are welcomed and stuff, but really it's not. It's work.
And so, uh, you know the short of it all, Ronald,
And I'm sorry to hear your situation. Unfortunately, you know,
we're pretty tight on time at this point in the
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show as well. And I want to I want you
to take this away with you that you have to
departmentalize yourself. If you're in you know, law enforcement, or
you're you know, a surgeon or any of these things,
you have to to be quiet and do your job.
Your point of view is not that important. And if
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you feel like you're being maligned or you're being picked
on at work, yes you got to you got to
defend yourself. But also there there's other places and other
opportunities for you to share your ideas as a place
to grow in Hollywood. For as you know, liberal and
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I use the term in the open minded as they
pretend to be, they're not. They're just like anybody else.
They're a group of people. They tend to hire their
own and collect people very tribally that they like or
that they click with them, and that's in any group.
So the best thing is is to go do your
job and be quiet, you know, bring that paycheck and
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then bring it home to the people who love you
and you love, and then you can talk about whatever
you want. David, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Thank you for taking my call, my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
How can I help you?
Speaker 4 (12:37):
My question is why does God allow people to spread
a message supposedly using his name.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
It clearly goes against what he teaches.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
And they say they're doing it in my name. And
there's people that could run around and say they're doing
things in your name too, David. It's part. But in
a free society there things that you can't do. You've
heard of people burning the American flag right now in
a country that may or may not upset you some people.
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It upsets some people. It does not in the United
States because of the purpose of freedom and liberty that
in the Constitution that the powers be believed that that
should be allowed as a legitimate freedom of speech. Strangely enough,
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that very symbol is the symbol of their very freedom
that they're burning. So it's in one hand it's a
thing of beauty to see that somebody has that kind
of freedom, and on the other hand, it's a thing
of vulgarity to see somebody trying to abolish or do
face a symbol of the very thing that gives them
the right to do it. It's almost self stultifying. So likewise,
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you see a lot of ugliness that is done in
my name, But you see a lot of ugliness that
is done in the name of freedom and liberty in
the United States, and you see that it starts to
it's almost like a snake eating its own tail. There
are those that say they don't want a cross up
on a public building or the Ten Commandments up somewhere,
and then you start saying, well, gosh, as Christians, you
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want that up there, so you fight to have that
up there, But you wouldn't fight to have the Satanic
commandment up there on the wall. Yet in the eyes
of the United States, they should be equal. So in
one form or another when it becomes to liberty. So likewise,
God can either start nailing everybody for every sin done
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in his name or not in his name, or you
can see that God is giving you equal freedom for
the sins that you do, and you either learn from
them and stop doing them, or you pay the consequences
somewhere down the line. But the assumption that God doesn't
stop it now, therefore it will never be stopped is
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not a fair assumption. It's kind of like walking out
in the middle of a movie. You know, if you
don't see the end through, and the end may not
be in your time, it may not be the way
you want it to go. Down, but that doesn't mean
that God won't stop it or make them be held accountable.
Do you understand the difference that just because something isn't
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stopped right now doesn't mean that it won't be stopped.
And really, in order for God to reach in, just
like the United States with the laws of freedom and liberty,
to stop them is to stop you from doing certain
things that you want to do as well. You just
don't like what they're doing.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Now.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
In the case of using my name, they are not
the first and they won't be the last. They're using
it for just gross and vulgar display of their own bias.
Has nothing to do with God, has nothing to do
with me, has nothing to do with scripture. It's just
their own ugly bias. And they use my name. But
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they're not the first, So I allow that because to
stamp out them would because the humans tend to judge
each other against themselves. So you say, well, I don't
do that, so I'm better than them, or that's ugly
you judge that. But ultimately the standard is God, not man,
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not other men. So if you want to say, okay, God,
now start enforcing your standard, you'll get nailed as well.
Because there's things that you do that don't always glorify God. Right,
we all do, yeah, all have sin fallen short of
the glory of God. So it's really kind of one
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of those things that if freedom is going to be freedom,
it has to be freedom, and that means good people
will do good things, bad people will do bad things,
and there will be people that ride the law and
just get in under the law, like burning of the flag,
and they'll be legally allowed to do it because of
that freedom. So you either have to look towards abolishing
that freedom or somehow teaching that person that they're misusing it.
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And that's the harder thing to do, which is what
God wants you to do. The harder thing to do
is to teach them not to do it. And so
everybody just wants it to be abolished, but that's not
the way God works because like the freedoms in the
United States now, God would have to impede on the
free will of human beings to get the point across.
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And at what point would you stop at this group
because they teach infant baptism, or this group because they
teach this that you don't like, or this group and
then it becomes this huge rolling ball of consumption to
everybody that's doing something that you may not agree with
or what have you. They will get their judgment. There
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will be a judgment day, and all the righteousness and
justice will balance out. I assure you, it just may
not be in the timing you want or wish or expect.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I think that is very clear, and I thank you again.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
You're welcome. Just a little bit of patience, that's all, David.
But an excellent question, and I understand. I understand. My
producer Neil, his head almost spins off his big thick
neck when he sees things like that. And it's one
of the reasons that we take the time to do
the show every weekend in hopes of helping people understand
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a clearer image in a secular setting like the radio
station you're listening to now, a clearer image of who
God is via scripture and mainstream Christian theology. That is
the hope. But sadly, there will always be somebody that
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will do all the things the Internet has not helped.
The Internet makes people lie about other people and do horrible,
horrible things. They drag people's name through the mud. Of course,
they're gonna do it with mine as well. They've been
doing it long before the internet ever came by, and
you have to differentiate between the two. But the freedoms
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that you enjoy are often the freedoms that others are enjoying.
Even if you don't like those people and you don't
like what they stand for or who they are or
what they're about, what you should love is the freedoms,
the freedoms that they're using. Oh, it is frustrating, and
I know. And as I said, my producer Neil gets
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red hot, and a man with a shaved head getting
red hot. It just looks like one big, bulbous red
light bulb on the top of his neck. But as
long as it's legal, there are equally as ugly things
theologically being taught in my name as well. There are
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traveling groups of face healers and things like that that
are damaging people's lives and taking their money. There's all
kinds of stuff out there. But don't ever walk out
in the middle of the movie. There is going to
be a happy ending. It will come. Dennis, Welcome to
the Jesus Christia.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
Yes, good morning. How are you.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I am well, Dennis, how are you good. Thanks, what's
on your mind?
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Well, I uh, there's a lot of confusion about what
love is and how people think about it. I mean,
after all, the the parent that beats his child, after
he's through, he says, I love you so much, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Sure, sure, yeah. There's a lot of misuse of the
term love's that's for sure.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
So I came up with a definition that love is action,
and it's specifically action that calls creation to its highest purpose.
And I just wanted what you at that.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I think that's fair enough. I think when when scripture
talks about the greatest love being a man laying down
his life for another man, that's an action. I think
that throughout scripture, when it talks about love, it's not
just a warm, fuzzy feeling and kind of those concepts
of love that people continue to say, well, this is
what love is. And I think that love is actions
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in the sense of Luke six thirty one, where it
talks about doing to others as you would have them
do to you. I think that's I think that is
very true. It also says in Romans twelve nine that
love must be sincere, and that sincerity is kind of
gauged by action. You know, it's not what someone says.
Like you said, people can be doing something and then
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say they love them afterwards. So it's not just what
you say, and it's not how you act, because people
can pretend to be loving, but it's how you react
to things, those actions that show who you are and
where that love is coming from. I think that's legitimate,
and it's it calls God's creations to its higher purpose,
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and its higher purpose is really its only purpose, which
is the will of God. So I think that's a
pretty fair assessment of where love stands, Dennis, and I
appreciate you taking the time to share that as well.
Love is one of those things that often gets tied
up in a you know, warm fuzzy song or a
you know, simple concept, but really love is more than that.
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Love is a decision that someone is going to be
more important to you, something is going to be more
important to you, whatever it might be, is going to
be put on a pedestal of importance, and that you
are going to take a second seat and really allow
the focus of your love to become a priority. And
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those are all actions and conceptual things like that. So
I think that referring to love as an action is
very and it's not just doing things, but it's being
in a constant state. You know, any man can get
flowers on a particular day or do things like that,
but really a man who truly loves his family and
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his wife will will be consistent in all things, not
necessarily giving flowers every day, but doing stuff every day
that is practical and that is purposeful. And the same
goes for women as well with their men. Nancy, Welcome
to the Jesus Christ Show. Hi, Nancy.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Okay, I'll just give you a little bit of background.
I have a niece in her late twenties who is
not a Christian. She's very precious to me. She's had
a really rough life. Her dad, who is my brother,
died when she was five, and after that her mom
moved away and cut off all contact with our family,
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so we did not see her for her entire childhood
and just recently reconnected with her in the last few
years and it has been really a precious relationship. And
so she currently lives with her boyfriend and has one child,
and to send out that she's pregnant again and everybody,
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we're really the only Christians in her life, but all
her friends and everybody else is very congratulatory to her,
because you know, the world really accepts that kind of
lifestyle right now. And I have not yet said anything
to her, and I am really struggling with how to
respond to her. I really love her and we have
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a good relationship, and I want to convey that there
isn't anything that she can do that would make me
stop loving her, and I really want to come across loving.
But I also feel that to be honest and about
how I feel about this arranged and how the children
are growing up with parents that aren't married and stuff.
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I just know that it's not good for them, and
overall it's just not a good arrangement. And I can't
really expect her to live as a Christian. I understand that,
But I wonder if you could cancel me on how
to speak truth to her in love and what would
be the best way to do that.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
How about being an auntie, being white, be an auntie
to her, be her aunt, not her Christian aunt.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Be her aunt, okay, and.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Love her the way you always have. The judgment is
not about I don't like what I hear. Sometimes you
didn't say this, of course, but I hear people refer
to illegitimate children, and there's no such thing. There's illegitimate parents.
Children are not illegitimate. Every child is a child of God,
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brought on this earth by the grace of God, period,
regardless of circumstances.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
And this concept of wanting to punish after the fact,
or at least from what I'm hearing in your voice,
not wanting to condone it or you know, dance around it.
I'm not saying that you have to go go nuts
and do a huge party or anything like that, and
I understand that that's not where your heart is. But
you just love her. Just love her and say you know,
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you know, and be honest with her without being a downer.
You're not going to teach her anything. The child is
here now. All you need to do is to be
a great aunt to her and maybe be a person
who's there that she can ask questions that you might guide.
But you can't guide her in and out of this situation.
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It is what it is. She's already made these choices,
and the product of those choices is this child. So
really there's no way to kind of reverse it. She's
not a Christian and she's not bound by the moral
beliefs that you have in any way, shape or form.
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So she's not doing anything wrong in her belief system
at all. Right, So you can't make it your belief
system because you want it to be now. Of course
you and I believe that to be right, but she
doesn't yet. So it's not about cramming your standards down
her throat. It's about finding an opportunity to be that
wonderful person in her life that happens to be a
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believer that she feels comfortable coming to. If you shut
her down on everything and you're constantly there just to
judge her and go, that's not what I would do.
That's not what I would have done, she won't come
to you anymore, exactly, and then she has no believers
in your life.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
I don't want to do.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
So be yourself. You sound sweet and loving and kind.
Continue to be sweet, loving and kind to her, and
be her auntie and give advice when asked about those things,
and love on that baby and make sure that that
baby has a wonderful home in spite of the fact
that the parents aren't married. More importantly than all of
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this and all the nuttiness that goes on in the world,
remember these words, I Am with you Always.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Raselli, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
How can I help you?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Well, I've was born I mean, I'm sorry, I was
raised Catholic. My mom is Catholic and has been forever.
That's how she was raised, and I recently became born
in Christian It's something that has always spoken to me.
And every time I come around her, she's been aware
now that I've been attending, you know, this Christian church,
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and she always attacks me. And I'm trying to be
as calm as I can, but I don't know how
to approach her because it's always you know, indirect comments
that you know, there's certain you know, books in the
Bible that are not there in the Catholic that there
aren't in the Christian, you know. And I just I
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know that I shouldn't be upset, but I just I
don't know how to be around her. I mean, I
want to build a relationship with my mom, but it's
kind of hard when she's trying to bring me down
when I'm trying to build a closer relationship to you.
So I don't know what to do.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Well, there's little things that you can do little tips. Okay,
First of all, when you refer to yourself as Christian
or to your Bible as Christian, that's going to frustrate
your mom because hers is Christian as well. Yes, it's
a matter of being a Protestant. And you know you
slow the word down Protant. It means protester, those that
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protested the Catholic the early Catholic Church, and that the
protesters are the Protestants of which you are now one.
And there are many different denominations within that Protestant umbrella.
You know, there's been long battles going on, some ugly
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in other parts of the world, some very ugly that
went on for people to establish those two different belief systems.
I always say it's healthier to focus on the things
that you guys have in common rather than things that
you disagree with, unless it comes in healthy conversation. My producer,
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Neil was raised Catholic and became a Protestant at about
the age of seventeen and remembers quite vividly walking into
the house drenched after being baptized again and the questions
that ensued from his a gobsmacked mother, a devout Catholic,
(02:31):
so they but there's also things. There's like this pride
that you can control that comes quite honestly comes from
the Protestant side. Nine out of ten times when somebody converts,
they come into it with this puffed up chest. I
know the truth and you don't have the truth. And
you've got all these weird books in the Bible that
(02:51):
are you know, from the apocrypha, and you guys separate
the Ten Commandments weird, and all these different things that
you start going through, and why does Jesus have to
be up on the cross looking like a mess, And
then people start going through this you're worshiping marry and
all these things. Okay, So rather than starting there, it
(03:14):
maybe come to a place where there's an agreement and
to to thank your mother for giving you the structure
and understanding to look even seek truth and to be
curious and hungry for these things. And you know, he
praise on her for the things that she did give
you that helped you even have a desire at all.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Too.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Because there's plenty of people that were raised Catholic that
don't go to Catholic church, Protestant church, or any church.
So I would try and focus on the similarities for now.
If you know, as we say on this program, you
never changed the mind of a devout Catholic, a devout Protestant,
and about atheist, at about jew a devout Mormon, you
(04:00):
change the mind of a devout truth seeker, because that
is somebody who wants the knowledge and wants to learn
from it and say, I could be wrong. And in
this particular case, if you go at it as if
you're a have and she's a have, not, she's not
going to want to be around you. But who would
would you want to be around someone like that?
Speaker 5 (04:19):
No?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
No, of course not. So approach each other in love
and share, you know, mom daughter, things that maybe don't
have to do with that you know, hopefully it will
come up naturally. But explain to her because really she's
going to feel like she failed.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
You somehow she does.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
She does, and it's it's you know, I try to
tell her that this is a good thing. You know.
I didn't. I don't approach, I don't attack her and
her religion, but I feel when she comes at me,
it's like a back and forth and obviously that's not healthy.
So I'm trying to stop myself from you know, being
reeled in and buying it, you know, and getting all
(04:57):
getting her all worked up. But you're right, should just
focus on what we have in common.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, don't go You're not at battle. You're not at battle.
You're a battle. You both are in battle, on the
same team against the same evils. But let her know
that it's not about something she didn't do. As a
matter of fact, you seeking it comes from the desire
and the curiosity and the things that she built in
you as a child. And this just seems to fit
you better, and that you hope that you can share
(05:25):
back and forth one another and keep it that way,
And I think that's the healthiest way. Or you can
always do what my producer Neil did. You can go
on national radio pretend to be Jesus and that should
maybe take the edge off Susan. Welcome to the Jesus
(05:46):
Christ Show. Yes, Hi, what's your question?
Speaker 6 (05:49):
Yes, I wondered. A friend of mine said that it
says in the Bible that you're not supposed to call
your past or father, and I just wondered if there
was any place in the Bible. She doesn't know where
it is, but she was gonna ask her pastor, but
(06:11):
she just can't seem to ask him. And I'd like
to know there is a place in the Bible that
says that there is a.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Verse Matthew twenty three nine that says, and do not
call what was the verse Matthew twenty three to.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
Nine, twenty three nine, Okay, says.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
And do not call anyone on earth father, for you
have one father and he is in heaven. So that's
the verse that I would say she was using. But
let's look at it a little bit before I'll let
you go running with that verse and be some misunderstandings. Obviously,
it's not talking about anybody, because throughout scripture he refers
(06:51):
to your earthly father as your father, right, So it's
not just about that. Really, it's about and there's a
discrepancy between and concern between the Catholic Church and the
Protestant Church when it comes to things like this. Whereas
the Protestant Church would would look at this and say
(07:13):
that you cannot refer to any human being as infallible
spiritual masters or fathers. Now whether the Catholic Church would
say that's what they do with the pope or not,
which opens up a whole different discussion. But I would
say for the sake of your question that really, in
the context of what's being said, this statement is looking
(07:35):
more about referring to human beings as these infallible spiritual masters,
and there is only one of those. But it doesn't
say that you can't call, you know, a fallible individual
or your own earthly father. It's not saying that at all.
Paul himself was considered to be a spiritual father of
(07:57):
sorts to Timothy even refer to him as my beloved
son and two Timothy one two. So it's not about
not using the term father on earth at all. It's
about not using that capital f father concept of the perfect,
infallible God as the father of all creation. That's what
(08:20):
it's saying. So you can use the word, and some
people can use it, you know, in church, and as
long as you understand the context, it's not a big deals.
If you're putting somebody on a pedestal and making them
infallible in some way, in some sense, is what the
verse is concerned with. So that we're not running around
(08:43):
in church, right making somebody something that they're not. There
is but one father that is your true spiritual father.
And that is your father in heaven period. That's what
that's referring to. Ronald quickly, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Thank you so much, Jesus. I seem to be on
the wrong path. And I'm sixty years old. I haven't
worked consistently for the past two years, and I have
a fifteen year old daughter that somehow I see that
you know, I'm not I'm not being a good father
(09:28):
and showing her a good example. Is what I'm trying
to say.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
In your particular situation, Why do you think you're out
of work and have been for two years?
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Oh, I don't know. Maybe sometimes my outspokenness and my politics.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
And isn't that kind of a polite way of saying
that your loud mouth.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
It's it's part. Yeah, that's one.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Outspoken this Well. I just I say that because and
here's a great rule of thumb when it comes to
being a listener versus being, you know, a speaker, is
no one ever comes home and says, oh man, me
and my big ears got me into trouble at work today,
you know what I'm saying. So no one ever gets
(10:11):
in trouble for listening. It's always for spouting off. So
finding balance and those things are important. So you're outspoken,
we'll hang that in quotes and and you you your
opinions and you think that that's scutt and you canned.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
In some instances, not in most. No, I was I
was in an industry, the entertainment industry, and in that
industry that has caused me. Yeah, when I would spare,
why do.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
You tell them you were conservative or something? Yeah, okay,
that'll do it. You can tell them you're you're anything
you want to tell them, But if you tell them
you're conservative, it doesn't always fly. Well, I get that,
and I realize, and you know, this being radio and
kind of the the ugly step brother of entertainment there
(11:01):
that I understand what you're saying. That entertainment kind of
puts forth this energy, your attitude that you can say
whatever you want. It's very casual and different points of
views are welcomed and stuff, but really it's not. It's work.
And so, uh, you know the short of it all, Ronald,
And I'm sorry to hear your situation. Unfortunately, you know,
we're pretty tight on time at this point in the
(11:22):
show as well. And I want to I want you
to take this away with you that you have to
departmentalize yourself. If you're in you know, law enforcement, or
you're you know, a surgeon or any of these things,
you have to to be quiet and do your job.
Your point of view is not that important. And if
(11:42):
you feel like you're being maligned or you're being picked
on at work, yes you got to you got to
defend yourself. But also there there's other places and other
opportunities for you to share your ideas as a place
to grow in Hollywood. For as you know, liberal and
(12:02):
I use the term in the open minded as they
pretend to be, they're not. They're just like anybody else.
They're a group of people. They tend to hire their
own and collect people very tribally that they like or
that they click with them, and that's in any group.
So the best thing is is to go do your
job and be quiet, you know, bring that paycheck and
(12:23):
then bring it home to the people who love you
and you love, and then you can talk about whatever
you want. David, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Thank you for taking my call, my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
How can I help you?
Speaker 4 (12:37):
My question is why does God allow people to spread
a message supposedly using his name.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
It clearly goes against what he teaches.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
And they say they're doing it in my name. And
there's people that could run around and say they're doing
things in your name too, David. It's part. But in
a free society there things that you can't do. You've
heard of people burning the American flag right now in
a country that may or may not upset you some people.
(13:09):
It upsets some people. It does not in the United
States because of the purpose of freedom and liberty that
in the Constitution that the powers be believed that that
should be allowed as a legitimate freedom of speech. Strangely enough,
(13:29):
that very symbol is the symbol of their very freedom
that they're burning. So it's in one hand it's a
thing of beauty to see that somebody has that kind
of freedom, and on the other hand, it's a thing
of vulgarity to see somebody trying to abolish or do
face a symbol of the very thing that gives them
the right to do it. It's almost self stultifying. So likewise,
(13:53):
you see a lot of ugliness that is done in
my name, But you see a lot of ugliness that
is done in the name of freedom and liberty in
the United States, and you see that it starts to
it's almost like a snake eating its own tail. There
are those that say they don't want a cross up
on a public building or the Ten Commandments up somewhere,
and then you start saying, well, gosh, as Christians, you
(14:15):
want that up there, so you fight to have that
up there, But you wouldn't fight to have the Satanic
commandment up there on the wall. Yet in the eyes
of the United States, they should be equal. So in
one form or another when it becomes to liberty. So likewise,
God can either start nailing everybody for every sin done
(14:39):
in his name or not in his name, or you
can see that God is giving you equal freedom for
the sins that you do, and you either learn from
them and stop doing them, or you pay the consequences
somewhere down the line. But the assumption that God doesn't
stop it now, therefore it will never be stopped is
(15:00):
not a fair assumption. It's kind of like walking out
in the middle of a movie. You know, if you
don't see the end through, and the end may not
be in your time, it may not be the way
you want it to go. Down, but that doesn't mean
that God won't stop it or make them be held accountable.
Do you understand the difference that just because something isn't
(15:21):
stopped right now doesn't mean that it won't be stopped.
And really, in order for God to reach in, just
like the United States with the laws of freedom and liberty,
to stop them is to stop you from doing certain
things that you want to do as well. You just
don't like what they're doing.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Now.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
In the case of using my name, they are not
the first and they won't be the last. They're using
it for just gross and vulgar display of their own bias.
Has nothing to do with God, has nothing to do
with me, has nothing to do with scripture. It's just
their own ugly bias. And they use my name. But
(15:58):
they're not the first, So I allow that because to
stamp out them would because the humans tend to judge
each other against themselves. So you say, well, I don't
do that, so I'm better than them, or that's ugly
you judge that. But ultimately the standard is God, not man,
(16:18):
not other men. So if you want to say, okay, God,
now start enforcing your standard, you'll get nailed as well.
Because there's things that you do that don't always glorify God. Right,
we all do, yeah, all have sin fallen short of
the glory of God. So it's really kind of one
(16:41):
of those things that if freedom is going to be freedom,
it has to be freedom, and that means good people
will do good things, bad people will do bad things,
and there will be people that ride the law and
just get in under the law, like burning of the flag,
and they'll be legally allowed to do it because of
that freedom. So you either have to look towards abolishing
that freedom or somehow teaching that person that they're misusing it.
(17:06):
And that's the harder thing to do, which is what
God wants you to do. The harder thing to do
is to teach them not to do it. And so
everybody just wants it to be abolished, but that's not
the way God works because like the freedoms in the
United States now, God would have to impede on the
free will of human beings to get the point across.
(17:27):
And at what point would you stop at this group
because they teach infant baptism, or this group because they
teach this that you don't like, or this group and
then it becomes this huge rolling ball of consumption to
everybody that's doing something that you may not agree with
or what have you. They will get their judgment. There
(17:48):
will be a judgment day, and all the righteousness and
justice will balance out. I assure you, it just may
not be in the timing you want or wish or expect.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I think that is very clear, and I thank you again.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
You're welcome. Just a little bit of patience, that's all, David.
But an excellent question, and I understand. I understand. My
producer Neil, his head almost spins off his big thick
neck when he sees things like that. And it's one
of the reasons that we take the time to do
the show every weekend in hopes of helping people understand
(18:27):
a clearer image in a secular setting like the radio
station you're listening to now, a clearer image of who
God is via scripture and mainstream Christian theology. That is
the hope. But sadly, there will always be somebody that
(18:53):
will do all the things the Internet has not helped.
The Internet makes people lie about other people and do horrible,
horrible things. They drag people's name through the mud. Of course,
they're gonna do it with mine as well. They've been
doing it long before the internet ever came by, and
you have to differentiate between the two. But the freedoms
(19:15):
that you enjoy are often the freedoms that others are enjoying.
Even if you don't like those people and you don't
like what they stand for or who they are or
what they're about, what you should love is the freedoms,
the freedoms that they're using. Oh, it is frustrating, and
I know. And as I said, my producer Neil gets
(19:36):
red hot, and a man with a shaved head getting
red hot. It just looks like one big, bulbous red
light bulb on the top of his neck. But as
long as it's legal, there are equally as ugly things
theologically being taught in my name as well. There are
(19:58):
traveling groups of face healers and things like that that
are damaging people's lives and taking their money. There's all
kinds of stuff out there. But don't ever walk out
in the middle of the movie. There is going to
be a happy ending. It will come. Dennis, Welcome to
the Jesus Christia.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
Yes, good morning. How are you.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I am well, Dennis, how are you good. Thanks, what's
on your mind?
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Well, I uh, there's a lot of confusion about what
love is and how people think about it. I mean,
after all, the the parent that beats his child, after
he's through, he says, I love you so much, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Sure, sure, yeah. There's a lot of misuse of the
term love's that's for sure.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
So I came up with a definition that love is action,
and it's specifically action that calls creation to its highest purpose.
And I just wanted what you at that.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I think that's fair enough. I think when when scripture
talks about the greatest love being a man laying down
his life for another man, that's an action. I think
that throughout scripture, when it talks about love, it's not
just a warm, fuzzy feeling and kind of those concepts
of love that people continue to say, well, this is
what love is. And I think that love is actions
(21:25):
in the sense of Luke six thirty one, where it
talks about doing to others as you would have them
do to you. I think that's I think that is
very true. It also says in Romans twelve nine that
love must be sincere, and that sincerity is kind of
gauged by action. You know, it's not what someone says.
Like you said, people can be doing something and then
(21:47):
say they love them afterwards. So it's not just what
you say, and it's not how you act, because people
can pretend to be loving, but it's how you react
to things, those actions that show who you are and
where that love is coming from. I think that's legitimate,
and it's it calls God's creations to its higher purpose,
(22:08):
and its higher purpose is really its only purpose, which
is the will of God. So I think that's a
pretty fair assessment of where love stands, Dennis, and I
appreciate you taking the time to share that as well.
Love is one of those things that often gets tied
up in a you know, warm fuzzy song or a
you know, simple concept, but really love is more than that.
(22:30):
Love is a decision that someone is going to be
more important to you, something is going to be more
important to you, whatever it might be, is going to
be put on a pedestal of importance, and that you
are going to take a second seat and really allow
the focus of your love to become a priority. And
(22:52):
those are all actions and conceptual things like that. So
I think that referring to love as an action is
very and it's not just doing things, but it's being
in a constant state. You know, any man can get
flowers on a particular day or do things like that,
but really a man who truly loves his family and
(23:13):
his wife will will be consistent in all things, not
necessarily giving flowers every day, but doing stuff every day
that is practical and that is purposeful. And the same
goes for women as well with their men. Nancy, Welcome
to the Jesus Christ Show. Hi, Nancy.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Okay, I'll just give you a little bit of background.
I have a niece in her late twenties who is
not a Christian. She's very precious to me. She's had
a really rough life. Her dad, who is my brother,
died when she was five, and after that her mom
moved away and cut off all contact with our family,
(24:01):
so we did not see her for her entire childhood
and just recently reconnected with her in the last few
years and it has been really a precious relationship. And
so she currently lives with her boyfriend and has one child,
and to send out that she's pregnant again and everybody,
(24:24):
we're really the only Christians in her life, but all
her friends and everybody else is very congratulatory to her,
because you know, the world really accepts that kind of
lifestyle right now. And I have not yet said anything
to her, and I am really struggling with how to
respond to her. I really love her and we have
(24:45):
a good relationship, and I want to convey that there
isn't anything that she can do that would make me
stop loving her, and I really want to come across loving.
But I also feel that to be honest and about
how I feel about this arranged and how the children
are growing up with parents that aren't married and stuff.
(25:06):
I just know that it's not good for them, and
overall it's just not a good arrangement. And I can't
really expect her to live as a Christian. I understand that,
But I wonder if you could cancel me on how
to speak truth to her in love and what would
be the best way to do that.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
How about being an auntie, being white, be an auntie
to her, be her aunt, not her Christian aunt.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Be her aunt, okay, and.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Love her the way you always have. The judgment is
not about I don't like what I hear. Sometimes you
didn't say this, of course, but I hear people refer
to illegitimate children, and there's no such thing. There's illegitimate parents.
Children are not illegitimate. Every child is a child of God,
(25:55):
brought on this earth by the grace of God, period,
regardless of circumstances.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
And this concept of wanting to punish after the fact,
or at least from what I'm hearing in your voice,
not wanting to condone it or you know, dance around it.
I'm not saying that you have to go go nuts
and do a huge party or anything like that, and
I understand that that's not where your heart is. But
you just love her. Just love her and say you know,
(26:25):
you know, and be honest with her without being a downer.
You're not going to teach her anything. The child is
here now. All you need to do is to be
a great aunt to her and maybe be a person
who's there that she can ask questions that you might guide.
But you can't guide her in and out of this situation.
(26:45):
It is what it is. She's already made these choices,
and the product of those choices is this child. So
really there's no way to kind of reverse it. She's
not a Christian and she's not bound by the moral
beliefs that you have in any way, shape or form.
(27:07):
So she's not doing anything wrong in her belief system
at all. Right, So you can't make it your belief
system because you want it to be now. Of course
you and I believe that to be right, but she
doesn't yet. So it's not about cramming your standards down
her throat. It's about finding an opportunity to be that
wonderful person in her life that happens to be a
(27:29):
believer that she feels comfortable coming to. If you shut
her down on everything and you're constantly there just to
judge her and go, that's not what I would do.
That's not what I would have done, she won't come
to you anymore, exactly, and then she has no believers
in your life.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
I don't want to do.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
So be yourself. You sound sweet and loving and kind.
Continue to be sweet, loving and kind to her, and
be her auntie and give advice when asked about those things,
and love on that baby and make sure that that
baby has a wonderful home in spite of the fact
that the parents aren't married. More importantly than all of
(28:04):
this and all the nuttiness that goes on in the world,
remember these words, I Am with you Always.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
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