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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Paul, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Yeah, how can
I help you?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Yes, I was wondering if I'm going to see my
mother when when I die and go to heaven, and
I'm wondering if she's going to go to heaven. She
didn't follow your teachings, but she followed the Tank commandments.
She was born nineteen nineteen. And I don't know my wife.
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She never followed your teachings.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
What was she Jewish? Are you saying she's Jewish? Are
you saying that she just No, she didn't care much
for religion at all.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
She didn't really care much for her. She put us
in the when I was a little big, a little toddler,
she put us in the Bible school and stuff. And
I was raised in the Nazarene Church.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
But what makes you think that she didn't believe?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Well, because I confronted her a couple of times. She
goes here, I don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Well, I don't want to talk about it. Doesn't mean
she doesn't believe. She came right out and told you
she didn't believe. No, not really, Okay, Well, those situations
are between her and God. If she didn't proclaim it
to you, doesn't mean that she didn't proclaim it to somebody,
and doesn't mean that she didn't proclaim it to God.
It would be unusual to reject it in such a
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way and then be open to God later. But there
there are moments within moments within moments that God has
with you that and everyone in humanity that aren't the same.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I thought it. You didn't profess or proclaim that you're
born again Christian, you're not going to go to heaven.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Well, it certainly is imperative to confess your faith absolutely
with your you know, with your life and with your
mouth and all of those good things. But how that
takes place, how that takes place, well, there's a lot
of things your mom said that you wouldn't, I'm sure,
And so you can't really know in those moments of
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what was going on with your mother. So it's best
to leave that to God and to trust that God
gave her ample amount of time to make things right
with him. Now, as far as you, if you are
a believer and you're a person of faith, and you're
going to heaven and your mother is there, there's no
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reason why you wouldn't recognize her, or recognize each other,
or spend time with each other. There there's nothing in
scriptures as otherwise. As a matter of fact, in Samuel,
it talks about David knowing that when his son died,
his infant son died, that he was going to recognize
him or see him in heaven. So also there's you know,
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some people will argue, yeah, well, what about with the
resurrected body. After I resurrected, some people didn't recognize me.
That was a different state under the circumstances first glorified
body that anybody had ever seen. But there's nothing in
scripture that says that you won't recognize or have time
and spend with your family from here. However, that's not
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what heaven is about. You know, Heaven is about spending
time with God, the Father. That's the focus. That's what
it's going to be about. That's where you know, all
of everything that's happened on earth is going to come
to that one point where it may sound dull to some,
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but it's going to be about worshiping God and spending
time with the Creator. That's going to be the focus
of heaven. So yeah, no reason that you wouldn't see
a loved one who is a believer. As far as
the confessing and all of these things, these are all
part of what it takes for those that know. Romans.
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One talks about the difference between general revelation and special revelation.
That special revelation is scripture and someone coming and telling
you something, whereas general revelation is really in the creation itself.
If you look around, you can see the fingerprint of God.
The Library of Congress and the different things they have
on file and saved a way to preserve, some of
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which are original handwritten music from Beethoven and Mozart and
the like. And they were doing this big study on
how you could look at Beethoven and how you people
tended to pick Beethoven in modern times with a disheveled
hair and kind of slightly unkept and always in a hurry,
kind of in a rush, not didn't seem very focused.
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And sure enough, when you see his handwritten music notes,
there's ink, smudges and blotches, and you can tell it's
written very quickly, and there's a lot of things crossed out,
So obviously the mind was being changed a lot, and
that persona is almost seen in those very things that
he's writing. And then when you look at Mozart said
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to be much more together and focus. Knew what he
want immediately and went for it and put it onto paper.
Everything was pristine and specific, with great focus. And it's
like looking at the art or the creation of someone.
You can see the artist in there. You have to
be able to so you can see the creator in there.
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And likewise, if you are attentive to the things of
this world and you look around at creation, you can
see the hand of God in creation as well. You
can see those things. And that's a different type of
realization than somebody standing on a mountaintop saying I believe
in Jesus Christ, or they wear, you know, a special
bumper sticker or a hat or what have you. It's
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not just about those things. It's about professing with your
heart as well that Jesus's God and following me. That's
the key, and allowing the will of God to lead
your life. The confession is important. But if you, you know,
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leave your wedding ring at home, it doesn't mean you
don't love your spouse, and it certainly doesn't mean that
you're not married. That's part of the whole process of
you know, that outward expression of that inward hope, that
inward goal. And those are two very different things and
they should not be confused as being one and the same.
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They're part of it, but it's it's different. Kyle, Welcome
to Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Hey, how's it going.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Good?
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Question about the Sabbath. Now, you were a Jew, I'm
assuming grew up in a Jewish area to his families.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
That correct? Indeed, okay, uh.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
So the Jewish Sabbath is Friday sundown to Saturday sundown.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Still we're told in the tour it's not that we're
not to work or have other people work or spend
money on the Sabbath. But typically what people do after
church they go out, they go out and work in
the yards, they go out and eat. Is that breaking
the Sabbath?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
No, the Sabbath is one of those things that people
wrestle with because of its current context is different. Christians
don't worship on the Sabbath anymore. They worship on the
Lord's Day, which is Sunday. Sabbath still is on Saturday.
And really this rest in this concept was for the
Jewish people of the time. The Sabbath does not stand
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in the same way in the same sense. That's why,
if you recall, it's the one commandment that I don't
quote over and over again. You can see in Colossians two,
sixteen and seventeen that things have changed and that people
were modern day Christians at the time, were having church
and coming together on many different days. The important thing
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is to have time of rest and worship, and it's
much different. The days were much longer than too. It
wasn't like an eight hour work day. They were much
longer work days. There's a lot that has changed that
allows for more rest or more normal rest that didn't
exist back then. To boot Carol, Welcome to the Jesus
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Christ Show.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
Hi, thank you for taking my call, my pleasure. I
was just curious, why does Easter fall on such different times,
Like sometimes it's the end of March and then it's
the end of April.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, it's an odd one, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Okay, so well, here's what's known from scripture. You have
the four Gospels make it very clear that I was
crucified in conjunction with the Jewish passover, right you've got
Matthew talks about this, Mark talks about it, Luke talks
about it, and so does John. The gospels also make
it clear that I was raised from the dead three
days later on the first day of the week. Matthew, Mark, Luke,
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and John also talk about that. So that's the first
notion of what's taking place now. As far as it's
being celebrated, that's of great importance, and so Christians wanted
to make a big deal about it. It's obviously an
important day. It's the most pivotal part of Christianity is
the resurrection. So church history comes around and tries to
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make a date, and tons of debate starts taking place
as to when Easter is going to be observed. Even
to this day, even with as crazy as that sounds,
that it keeps changing around that the Eastern Orthodox Church
still celebrates it differently and sometimes on the same date,
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sometimes differently. So basically, what it comes down to, and
it's a very an incredibly long answer that I'm trying
to to make short, is that it comes down to
different calendars, usage of different calendars based on the moon,
full moon, and all of these things. It just depends
on which calendar is being used, and then you get
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certain councils that come in throughout the centuries that say, Okay,
this is when we're going to do it, and it's
going to be based on this calendar, and this is
when we're going to do it, and it's based on
this calendar, and it kind of just makes a mess
of it all. So you get one going by the
Gregorian calendar and other going by the Julian calendar. There
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was some usage early on of the Hebrew calendar. There's
some that state that the Paschal full moon is the
actual date used, and that's a whole different measurement, and
so it just gets kind of convoluted and twisted and
bounces around. Is the short answer is that bounces around
based on the calendar that's being used, and they really
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tried to establish early on. Some of the the movement
about the date was dealing with the early Church trying
to christianize certain pagan festivals. So early on it was
kind of following the first full moon after the vernal
or the spring equinox, and then after three twenty five
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AD that changed, and there's it's just a whole bunch
of stuff. It talk about church, bureaucracy, just a lot
of stuff that came in and so it bounces around.
So having said all that, the most important part is
that it's celebrated, not exactly which day or anything like that.
The only thing that stays the same is that it's
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going to be celebrated on the Lord's Day on a Sunday,
and that's that's the most important part. So I know,
it gets convoluted and confusing, and it's one of those
things that it's it's been made unnecessarily convoluted and confusing.
It doesn't need to be that bad, but you know,
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beat you put people in charge sometimes of doing a
simple task and they make it even more complicated. Go figure, Leanne.
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 7 (12:17):
Hi, Jesus, I have a situation that has happened to
me several times, and I want to know if I'm
handling it in the proper way. What it is is,
sometimes when I'm praying to You and I'm giving thanks,
the most blasphemous thoughts will come into my mind as
if to interrupt me from praying to you, you know,
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and giving my thanks. Sure, and I'm you know, I
am God fearing and I know that we have to
account for everything. So that's what makes me even more uneasy.
And what I what I have done, and I don't
know if I'm doing the right thing is I will
in your name. I will rebuke those evil thoughts and
I cast them out in your name, and I ask
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for forgiveness. And I ask that because I don't feel
those thoughts your mind. And it kind of scares me.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Well, sounds good to me. Sounds like you're covering your bases.
And of course, of course the enemy is like a
child and wanting to you know, I'm not touching you.
I'm not touching you. I'm not touching you, and distracts
you throughout these you know, the entirety of it.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Of course, it's just.
Speaker 7 (13:29):
So horrible, and I mean, it gives me a sick feeling.
But I, like you say, I'm trying to do the
best I can because I don't know where those thoughts
are coming from. I mean, I have there's absolutely no
reason for those things to come up, because you have
blessed me in so many ways. It's got me through
so much. I thank God for you.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
You know, Well, there's a lot, there's a lot of
things in this world in the and the brain is
a bit of a dumping ground, and Scripture talks about
girting it and taking control of it. And you know
there's times you know, of good godly meditation too, not
the metaphysical garbage or any of those things, but the
good godly meditation about thinking about the things of God
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and spending time with God being quiet. You know, there's
a scripture that says to be still and know that
I'm God, and to have these times of kind of cleansing.
And when you go into your little prayer closet, you know,
not physically but emotionally, and you spend that time with
God and spiritually you're connecting with God and those things
pop in. It's just it's just garbage. It's like spiritual
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static or snow like on the TV. Just stuff's going
to come in and out, and you know, you smile
and praise God through it and continue. God's hearing what
you have to say. And that's just part of humanity
and the enemy poking around and the enemy can't stand
when you pray, can't stand it.
Speaker 7 (14:55):
You're absolutely right, because it's happened. It's like the more
loving I am and express saying my prayers to you,
the more it seems to happen, and it's it's awful.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Oh, it's a if you look at two small children
that are siblings and if one's getting love from a parent,
oh goodness, and you see that kind of they come
over and they'll push or they're pinch or they'll start
doing something to get attention.
Speaker 7 (15:17):
Exactly. It's like, and I know it that I feel
that the enemy is so jealous of.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
You, absolutely absolutely, and that's not it's not going to
win him any points. And he tries to confuse you
and you get those those feelings and you're the pity
of your tummy, and you know you need to put
that aside and not give him any of that power.
Speaker 7 (15:37):
It's exactly. And I say, I say, all evil thoughts
are all negative thoughts that are that are not in
obedience to Christ.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
I cast out.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yeah, okay, so we want to.
Speaker 7 (15:48):
Make sure, like I said, I'm God fearing and I
wouldn't want, you know, to be sent to eternal.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
You know, it's not like a technicality. Everybody makes, uh
the ward of heaven or the so called punishment of
hell to be a technicality as if you know you
serve some anal retentive God who's got a list of
shoulds and should not and it's just like, sorry, you know,
this is the way it's supposed to be done. And
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it's not really a fair assessment of how God works.
It's not about knowing or not knowing, or making mistakes
or any of these things. It's about open rebellion and
rejection of the will of God. And they're two different things.
And you know, there's gonna be stuff that slips in
your life, or you know, things that are kind of
trying to knock you off your spiritual horse, and you
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just need to hold on and praise God through the
entirety of it. And there's nothing the devil hates more
than you when you're steadfast. Scripture says, resists the devil
and he shall flee. And part of that resisting is
just focusing on God all the more, focusing on God
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as not to get you know, swept away into you know,
the tricks of the enemy trying to get your attention
in all those things. Just stay focused, Stay focused, Stay focused. Rick,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
I'm going to find I was I'm gonna say a
few things, and then I'll just take my answer off there,
if you don't mind. Sure, I was reading in Revelations
about the Great Harlet and she was drunk with the
blood of the saints, and then reading about false prophets,
one of which you are because you are not Jesus Christ,
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and I think misleading people to even portray the your
Jesus Christ. The Bible clearly states, so we're the stone
false prophets, and you coming in saying that you're Jesus
Christ and even portraying them, I think it is a
great sin. I'd like to hear your answer to that
in public.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Sure, I've said it many many times. This is a
wonderful place for it. Of course, Rick is similar fellow
who stands up in the middle of a play and says,
wait a second, these aren't big cats. These are human
beings pretending to be cats, which makes it a little
less fun for everyone else. But I will tell you
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answering the question, that there are many people that portray,
with good reason and good intent others throughout history to
put flesh on the bones of those that a lot
of people don't understand. I'm thinking of maybe a history
teacher that dresses up like Abe Lincoln or Ben Franken
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to help someone understand the true nature of these individuals.
If it makes you feel better. There are some that
may describe this type of thing, he says with a
wink as responding to the questions of what would Jesus do?
Maybe that might help you a little bit. But I
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will tell you this, there is no reason ever to
lie to get on the air. If you have a
legitimate question, then ask it, or Heaven forbid, sit behind
that magic box that glows every night in that bedroom
that you call a computer and google it. But don't
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stand on a soapbox thinking that you're better than everyone
else who actually understands the process and gets it in
totality and plays along that somehow you're going to break
some new information blasphemous, not even close. Wouldn't participate in
it if it was a different way of sharing old
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important information. Well just maybe I don't know why I
feel lad to talk about this right now, and I
will get to more of your calls. But in Matthew,
this is one of those verses that tends to come up.
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Who a guest comes up when people talk about this
show and others about the possibility of false Christs, and
scripture does warn that there will be those that come
saying that they are the Christ. And I just want
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to tell you that that is not that's not someone
portraying Christ. It's not somebody in a movie, in a play,
anything like that, or heaven forbid a radio show that
is really talking about someone saying that person Jesus from
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Nazareth that you heard about is not the Messiah. I
am now build the Christ. That's a different situation. That's
about someone trying to steal the Christ. Moniker. There were
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many people in my day that walked around saying the
same thing. That's why a lot of people didn't believe me,
because on every street corner you had someone else proclaiming
to be God for whatever reason. Oh I could do this,
or I can do that. That's why the miracles were
so important in context. Even though there were some that
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were trying to mimic miracles as well, and we're doing
a good job of it. Some miracles weren't just party favors.
They weren't something just to get attention. They were to
solidify what I was trying to teach. So those that
worry about oh, there's going to be false Christ. It's
going to be different. It's going to be someone claiming
that they really are the Christ and that I was
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just a manifestation at the time or something like that,
and twisting and turning it all around completely different. But
you know what, show yourself approved study a little bit,
see where there's actually a threat. Christians can be a
fascinating group of people. The only people on the planet
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that tend to shoot. They're wounded and really causes for
a problem when you're trying to defend yourself against a
decaying world that wants nothing more than Christianity to lose.
And if that's their will, fine, but for the love
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of all that is good in Heaven, don't help them out.
Deb Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
Hello, I.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Am well, how are you well?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
First of all, I want to tell you I'd like
you to tell Neil he's doing wonderful job.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Oh boy, it might go to his head.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, I know, but we'll keep it between us encouragement.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
That is so very true. I will pass that alone.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Thank you. I wanted to ask you when I got saved.
It was a euphoric experience. I ended up I got
saved on Battery Street. You know that makes me feel
you've got a sense of humor there. And also uh
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then then at the at the time, my friend was
was witnessing to me, and I finally, you know, gave
my my heart over and she went running down this
hill and I went running down too, and it just
had this total euphoric feeling. And I asked her what
it was, and she said it was God's love. And
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I've talked to before dead have said they never had
any kind of feeling like that, so they kind of
discounted it, and so it was just an emotional whatever,
And I truly think it was it was, you know,
God opening up my heart and coming in and that
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it was a supernatural experience.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
What do you think it could very well be. One
thing that we will never ever do on this show
is argue someone's experience. You just can't. You were there,
We weren't, And there's no way to really wrestle around that. However,
there are some things, some great tools that I like
people to use when it comes to these things. Feelings
can are Feelings can really mislead you, and so they
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should only be used objective and subjective feelings should only
be used together. And that is to say, as my
producer Neil speaking of well, we won't say the devil,
but speaking of Neil, he often jokes about how the
feeling he gets when he falls in love, although he
won't be doing that anymore, being buried at all, but
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the feeling he gets falling in love is similar to
the feeling he gets when he seesick clammy hands and
the queasy stomach and all those things. So you have
to look at the situation. Is he sitting across the
table from his beautiful wife, then it's love. Is he
sitting across a boat, a fishing boat with a bunch
of sweaty guys, probably not love. So you can balance
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out your experiences by way of those things going on
that surround you as well. Absolutely those things take place,
that they do take place, and there are euphoric feelings,
and there are very wonderful experiences that go with some
people and their faith. But also know this, like a
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dog whistle or certain sounds, there are some people that
are more sensitive to them than others, and there are
some people who it is not in their makeup to
really kind of experience those things. They may, they may
much later in life, or they may for certain specific reasons,
but you never ever know, and you might just be
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someone who's a little more open to those things and
a little more susceptible. But it doesn't make it wrong
or false or any of those things. Don't let someone
try and take it away from you either. There are
many experiences in scripture where people had euphoric feelings, but
even the enemy, the devil himself, is a counterfeit and
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can recreate these types of things. So never use just
the feeling to be the judgment of if you're doing
something good or doing something bad, or if it's of God,
if it's not of God. It needs to be surrounded
by other things. And the description you gave me of
when that feeling or that euphoric onset came about, sounds
like the perfect case for a God give an experience,
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doesn't it? Yeah, it does. It feels like that. That's
the setting in which God would use something like that.
Now I hear, you know, other things at times where
people say, oh, but I did this in that, and
you go, that has nothing to do with God. As
a matter of fact, there are parts of scripture that
denounced that very uh, you know, situation, and yet you're
trying to tell me that it's of God. Or someone
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says that they were visited by an angel, yet that
angel has nothing to say except things that are completely
antithetical to scripture. Then you can pretty much throw it
away and throw the experience away. But what you describe
sounds to me like good old God touching your heart.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
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