BHS - 8A –'Tech Tuesday' with Rich DeMuro | Unspoken Rules of Air Travel

KFI's own Tech Reporter Rich DeMuro joins The Bill Handel Show for a fresh edition of 'Tech Tuesday'! Rich talks about OpenAI held its first developer conference and announced new features and milestones, Elon Musk announces ‘Grok AI’ that will tackle “spicy issues”, results of his Rivian SUV EV test drive, and IBOTTA Cash Back app is giving away free Thanksgiving dinners. Raging airplane passenger defends her right to recline in the latest flight dust up, “I’m allowed!” Let’s go over the unspoken rules of air travel…again.

Episode Transcript

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hand is KFI AM six forty BillHandle. Here. A lot going on
today on this Tuesday, November seventh. Today the Supreme Court is going to
rule on gun rights. And thishas to do another gun right issue,
although it really likes people owning guns, and this one's considering whether a federal
law that prohibits alleged domestic partners fromowning firearms is that unconstitutional. And the

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war in Gaza continues, and yesterdayNatiyahu, the Prime Minister, made a
rather extraordinary statement saying, when allthis is said and done, yeah,
Israel's going to have to go inand basically occupy Gaza. That was kind
of a shocker. That's what happensafter the fact. Let's do Tech Tuesday
with Rich de Murrow. Rich goodmorning, Hello, I'm here, Yeah,

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we got you. Hey. Firstof all, let me introduce you
only because it's a contractual issue.It's KTLA reporter Rich to Murrow, a
host of rich on Tech right hereon KFI Saturdays from eleven am to two
pm. You can follow Rich onInstagram at rich on tech is website is
Richontech dot tv. Rich That wasparagraph three of the contract. Yes,

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right after you Bill on Saturday.That's correct, right, Oh I left
that out. Oh here it isright after me on Saturday. All right,
we got a lot going on today. I mean a lot, and
I don't know even which of thesetopics we're going to go through. All
right, let's start with the topone. Open ai holding its first developer
conference, New features, new milestones. What do you do at that first

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developer contract with new technology? Well, you brag a lot. Because it
has been less than a year thatopen ai has been around, and if
you remember, it was the endof November last year that we started hearing
about this, and open Ai attheir first developers conference said they now have

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are you ready for this, overone hundred million weekly users in under a
year. They've got over two milliondevelopers that are using open ai tools,
which means these are all developers thatare building apps that tap into open ai.
You know, the creators of chatchbtand then you've got more than ninety

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two percent of Fortune five hundred companiesbuilding using open AI's platform. So what
does that mean. It means thatthis company that came out of nowhere,
it seems, has literally been onfire for the past year. You've got
consumers using it, you've got developersusing it, and you've got companies using
it. What does that remind youof something like an Apple and that is

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really or a Google. So thiscompany has reached an area that any tech
startup would absolutely love to be at. Now I'm not saying their future is
one hundred percent guaranteed. There's stilla road ahead. Now this BIG's a
couple of big questions. Question Numberone is the several people that started this

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thing. In a year, theybecome multi billionaires almost instantly. I'm guessing,
Oh absolutely, Okay, I'm surethey're there. Two From day one,
Ai has been described even by itsvery founders as number one revolutionary.
We all know that, and dangerousbecause no one really understands where this is

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going to go, truly really understands. Did that come up at the Developing
a Developer conference? Oh? Absolutely, I mean, these are these are
things that I think the companies arevery well aware of, you know,
safety and how they're building in youknow, these different guard rails and so
I think And by the way,as Sam Altman is the CEO of Open

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AI, thirty eight years old.Oh, I thought you were gonna say
he's fourteen, because it's like JimNass. By the time they're eighteen,
they're basically done. So developers ofnew programs are done by the time they're
teenagers, aren't they Yeah, prettymuch, they're they're uh yeah, they're
moving on, they're retiring. Butyou know, this whole idea of safety

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and where this is going to gois a huge issue, and it's something
that nobody has truly figured out.I don't think anyone has the answers just
yet. But it's it's interesting thatyou say that because Elon Musk, and
I guess this kind of goes intoanother topic, but another AI news Elon
Musk launched his own AI called RockAnd what's interesting about this is they are

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promising that this is going to tacklespicy issues, stuff that the other AI
systems will not touch. And sowhat does that mean? We're not sure
just yet. But if you popin, you know, there are so
many guardrails because these these AI companiesthey want to grow, but they want
to do it in a way thatyou know, they're not going to get
the eyre of regulation and all thatstuff, which of course is already happening

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anyway. But you know, theydon't touch a lot of topics, and
they don't touch a lot of thingslike when it comes to people, you
upload a picture of a person andthese open aiyes, and they say,
we're not touching that, We're notdealing with that. No, no,
no, it includes a person.So okay, go ahead, Yeah,
no, it's just yeah, goahead, all right. Does that mean
that Grock and I want to askabout that question in a minute. Grock

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quote spicy issues. Does that mean, for example, groups like white supremacists
are going to be able to useit instead of these fringe platforms that it
basically is going to become the Twitteror the X of any crazy person that
goes out there to advocate advocates anycraziness, advocating the blowing up the world.

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And here is the recipe for thebomb, right, And we don't
know if that's going to be true. Just yet. But that's you know
Elon Look, Elon Musk has ahistory of kind of saying things to entice
us. And then the reality is, you know this guy as much as
Twitter people. You know, lookX, you know that it's taken over

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X will be feeding this Grock realtime information. So it kind of goes
along with what you're talking about,where you know, data sets are only
as good as what they're being fed. And if this is being fed data
from X, which we all knowkind of what's happened there, you know,
can it be that great? We'renot sure. But this is no
one's really played with this just yet. It's it's in very limited testing.

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It's theoretically going to be available toX Premium plus subscribers, people paying sixteen
dollars a month to subscribe to Xformerly Twitter, and they say it's really
good, it's outclassing some of theother models. But we don't know because
nobody's really played with it. Ihaven't really seen a lot of journalists that
have actually done a deep dive onthis just yet because it's so new.

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How much you thank you On Muskpaid the guy that came up with the
name X, and now Grock.Well, Grock, I guess is a
reference to The Hitchhiker's Guide to theGalaxy, a book that is very popular
with a lot of tech folks.So it does have a meaning. It
does have a meaning. But Iyou know, look, it's it's unique,

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and there's Claude, there's Barred,there's Grock. There's a chatchybt which
is not as barred is Shakespeare ofcourse, And okay, I'll buy that.
I don't know where Claude came from, but that sounds very sophisticated to
me. Yeah, no idea.Rich you drove a Rivian, You test

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drove Rivian suv. Hey did theygive you one for a good review?
I wish because my review was isokay, And there's a lot of response
on this because here's the problem.So I love this truck. They gave
me the Rivian R one S.This is their fully electric suv. Rivian

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is backed by Amazon, by theway, one of the biggest investors in
this company. Really good looking car, very rugged. It's got some great
creature comforts, like there's a Bluetoothspeaker that's always charged in the center console
that you can pull out. Thereis a flashlight in the door that you
can pull out. There's an aircompressor in the back that you can use

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to inflate stuff. There's a standardplug outlet in the back. This is
a car that's really our truck,I should say, that's really meant for
the adventure seeker, someone who's goingto state parks on the weekend, camping,
pulling a boat whatever. I lovedit, great styling, It definitely
catches eyes. It is expensive,Like you said, it's about one hundred
thousand bucks. As tested, itgets about three hundred miles to the charge

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bill. But that's where I had. The biggest issue was charging this thing
up was a pain. And I'mnot kidding. I really had range anxiety
because I drove it up to passthe robols and the whole time I just
was worried about getting there on itwith the charge because they gave it to
me with about half a charge,and I was really never able to get
it past a half a charge becausemy charger at home is Tesla and so

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it would not charge this vehicle.And then every charger I found on the
road was even if it said itwas a fast charger, it still did
not charge as fast as I wanted. So I think the bottom line here
is that with any car that's nota Tesla at this point, if you're
not using it just for commuting towork, it will be a challenge on
road trips. Now. Oh yeah, Well, I know people that have

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Tesla's and they go to Las Vegas, for example, and it turns out
they have to charge halfway up.But you know, I have a BMW
at Electric BMW the IX and itgives me about three hundred and forty three
one hundred and fifty that's at onehundred percent. You're only supposed to charge
it to eighty percent. And I'mtold I haven't done this yet, but
a supercharger will get me a chargeup to eighty percent in half an hour.

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And that's not just just what that'sthat's what they tell you, Bill.
And here's the thing. Good luckfinding that it is. So here's
the deal. It's getting better,but it is still very tough. And
I went to chargers that were advertisedas the speediest, fastest chargers you can
get, and still these batteries,you know, they kind of have a
mind of their own because they don't, you know, the really super fast

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charging does take a toll on thebattery, and so obviously the cars want
to limit the amount of times thatyou do that, and so they will
charge slower when they think you havea decent amount of charge or whatever.
And also the charger itself sometimes itdepends if there's another car next to it.
If there is you know, justsome what one charger I went to,
it just said sorry, charging islimited speed, speed is limited by

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this charging station. What does thatmean? Why? Like, why are
you limiting it? But I again, I think if you have a charger
at home and or charger at work, if you're driving any electric car between
work and home or commuting, you'refine. It really becomes an issue on
road trips when you don't know whenyour next charger is coming and how the
quality of that charger is going tobe. And I will say, you

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know, it sounds like I'm complaininghere, but you know, many people
that commented on my Instagram at ridgeonTech on this whole situation, they agreed.
Even people that have electric cars thatare not Tesla's they said, yeah,
it could be a challenge sometimes Ifind electric cars, well, here's
a rule that everybody tells you havea charger at home. Yeah, yeah,
put in a two twenty line.But it takes a while to charge,

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you know. For example, ifFI I'm down at thirty percent,
is going to take me five sixseven hours to go back up to one
hundred or eighty percent. But youdo it at night and it makes you
up very very easy and pro tipby the way, and I don't know
if you can do this with aBMW, but you can schedule your charging
to kick on when the rates area little it less. So whatever the

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primetime rates are where you live,you can look that up and you know,
let's say you know, nine pmit's a little bit cheaper for charging,
you can have your car start tocharge then, Uh yeah, I
think you can, although I don'tdo that because that means you have to
figure out something out and I don'tknow how to take planning out. Yeah,
yeah, which I don't know howto do. All right. AI

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bots and I'm I think I'm gettingthem all the time, don't know,
But explain to me how often dothey make stuff up? Yeah? All
the time. So you have tounderstand if you're using we were talking about
chat GBT. Claude barred all thesedifferent chat bots. You have to understand
if you are using them on aregular basis, they are making things up.

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It's called hallucination. And the waythat these generative AI things work is
that they are fed a whole bunchof information and they kind of see patterns
in that information and they predict whatthe next word is going to be when
they're writing answers. So they're smart, but they are also still learning.
And so this new startup, Vectoriadid some estimating and they figured out that

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chatbots invent facts three to twenty sevenpercent of the time, even when they're
just summarizing simple news articles. Andthat's a feature that is built into the
latest version of Chrome where Google willsummarize news articles. There's an app called
Abstract that will are sorry artifact thatwill summarize your news articles for you.
So in the future, people arenot going to be reading news articles,
They're going to be just reading thesummaries of them made by these bots.

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So Open AI chat GBT had thelowest makeup hallucination rate, around three percent.
Meta Facebook's chatbots were around five percent. Anthropic which is Claude, which
I really liked. That was overeight percent, and Google which has one
called Palm that was the highest attwenty seven percent. So you have to
be on the lookout. Even ifyou're summarizing simple information or looking up simple

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things, or at the worst,using this to write a report. It
is making stuff up and you needto be aware of that. I won
last one, and that happens tome with you know, the scam calls.
You know, we get this aslikely scam, which I always answer
because I just enjoy dealing with people. I get a lot of hang ups
on that, and I'd like toknow why half of them they call,

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I go hello, and then asecond or two later it's a hang up.
Also, recorded calls are so easyto figure out they're recorded because first
of all, it's done in AmericanEnglish. Second of all, there's a
delay. Hi, my name ismister Smith from the Police Service League or
whatever it is. Why the hangups when they've reached me? You know,

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I think some of the hang upsmight be to confirm that the number
is valid. I actually had ahang up yesterday. I got a scam
likely, and I was like,I'll let me pick this up, even
though I will tell you do notpick these calls up. That that is
my official recommendation. And I knowsome people like to mess with these you
know, bots and different things.Yeah, but it does confirm that your

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number is live and you are ahuman behind that number. So you have
to remember they're not targeting you.They're just targeting a whole bunch of blocks
of phone numbers, and you know, the initial calls and the hang up
may just verify that you, oh, we got a live one, and
then they sell that data to anothercompany that may try to sell you something.
So my official recommendation is, donot pick up when it says scam

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likely. There's a feature on theiPhone now where it can transcribe a live
voicemail, so if they leave youa voicemail, you can see it in
real time. If it's important,Pixel does that, Samsung does that,
or let them leave a real voicemailand figure it out that way. But
these other you know, these otherthings, they're just you know, their
computer system, so the delays,all that stuff, it's just you know,
they're confirming that things are happening,that the call is connected, and

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you know they're trying to get ahold of you, and then they're trying
to scam you. Basically all right, thanks Rich. Once again, contractually,
I have to say Rich tomorrow aretech Reporter take TLA tech Reporter hosts
of Rich on Tech right here onKFI Saturday's from eleven am to two pm
following me, and you can followRich on Instagram at rich on Tech website,
rich on Tech dot tv. Rich, I would have said that anyway,

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Thank you. It's not really contractual, just to be fair, but
it is nice to say it is. You got it, all right,
Rich, We'll catch you. I'llcatch you this weekend. Yes, KF,
I am six forty live everywhere inthe iHeartRadio at good Morning. It
is still the Bill Handles show WayneResnik here. I'm told Bill is not

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feeling well and wants to go tothe doctor. So I will handle the
last two segments here and then we'llturn it over to Gary and Shannon,
and listen. I have flown.I don't fly as much as some people,
but I have flown my fair share, and I have never once had
an incident like I'm about to describeto you on an airplane. In fact,

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we talk here on KFI a lotabout incidents that happen on airplanes all
the time. Usually it's some passengerfreaking out in some way or being incredibly
rude in some way and maybe gettingkicked off the plane. I've never seen
anybody kicked off the plane. I'venever seen anybody yell on the plane.
I don't know why I'm missing outon this fun. But the newest incident

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are two ladies screaming at each otheron an airplane because one of them dared
to want to recline her seat duringthe flight, and the woman behind her
didn't like that very much and wasapparently pushing back against the seat the whole
time that the seat was reclined,and it ended up with them yelling at

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each other and other passengers getting involvedin the argument and taking sides over who
was wrong, the woman who wantedto recline her seat or the woman who
was bothering the woman for reclining herseat. And I know that the reclining
of the seat is a big issueon an airplane, so much so that
there is a device that is madeand sold for the sole purpose of sticking

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it in the seat in front ofyou so that it cannot be reclined.
So apparently this is a huge deal. And of course as per usual,
people are getting mad at each otheron the airplane, when in fact the
villain of the piece the airlines.Because if reclining of the seats is so
noxious, it's because there's not enoughroom, and so the airlines maybe shouldn't

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let the seats recline, but theydo. They don't provide enough leg room
or space between the seats. Ithink they call it pitch. They do
allow the seats to recline back.God forbid, you've got your snack on
the tray when the person in frontof you reclines it back, now your

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snack is on your shirt. Butthe airlines allow it, and then we
fend for ourselves and we turn oneach other. So that's one of the
laest incidents that happened on an airplane. And meanwhile, and it's a little
weird that this even has to exist, but the travel search engine KAYAK,
along with a firm called AYTM,which stands for Ask your Target Market,

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so they're obviously a research and marketingfirm, they did a survey to find
out what we all think proper airplaneetiquette is. What are the rules of
behaving yourself on an airplane that weagree on or don't agree on, and
ask to this issue of reclining theairline seat, it is very controversial.

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About a third of people said youshould never recline that seat unless you're on
an exceptionally long or overnight flight.What about the armrests? Do we even
have to have this discussion? Yousit in a middle seat, there's an
arm rest on either side of you. You know the person who thinks they

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both belong to them, Well,most people disagree you are not entitled to
both of those armrests. Also,most people think you should keep your socks
on. But wait, no,Amy, Amy, here's the thing though.
Twenty four percent said it's totally fineto take your socks off on the
plane. Okay, I have takenmy shoes off on a before. Yes,

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I don't know that I've done socks. And I've heard of people clipping
their toenails. Oh good lord.I know I've never seen anything like that,
and I hope not to ever seesomething like that, but I've heard
people tell me about it. I'mlike, oh, that's just gross.
Yeah, And what I'll do onelast one here, because I guess I
was surprised by how many people thinkthings that clearly are inappropriate? Are okay?

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Like taking off your socks, bringingstinky food on the plane. And
this one, only seventy percent ofpeople said you should wear headphones if you're
listening to something. That means thirtypercent, three out of ten people think
it's okay to watch your stories onyour tablet and let everybody else hear the

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audio. That's just wrong. Ihave not run into that either. I'm
just thankful that they do not allowphone calls on planes. Still. Well,
you know that they're the first severalyears they have been talking about allowing
it. I know, but thatjust means that you're gonna have three hundred
people on a plane sitting there thewhole time. It's gonna be unbearable.

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It's sort of a nice respite,except that there are all the other problems.
And so really, I think youget on an airplane, it's the
worst of humanity in a concentrated environment. And the Supreme Court rolling up their
sleeves and they're gonna decide a bunchof stuff about firearms, and it's a
whole new world when dealing with gunlaws, both a new world for how

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gun laws are evaluated at the SupremeCourt and a new world for how the
different rights that you have are treateddifferently moving forward. Now, I know
that Second Amendment supporters will tell you, and I would say they're not wrong

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that for a long time it feltlike in this country that the Second Amendment
was a second class right and thatpeople's First Amendment rights were upheld ruthlessly,
Fourth Amendment rights upheld ruthlessly, butwhen it came to the Second Amendment,
that the courts would let a lotof restrictions slide through, and it felt
like they didn't take the right tohave a firearm as seriously as the right,

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for example, to criticize the government. Well, that now has been
flipped, and now because of whatthe Supreme Court has done, the Second
Amendment is the super Amendment and yourindividual right to have a firearm for self
defense, which is basically how itis currently defined. Nobody had nobody's ruled

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that you have a Second Amendment rightto have a gun for hunting, for
example. Maybe if that became acase they would so rule, but they
haven't. It's been the right tohave a firearm has been defined in the
realm of defense in any event.It used to be that anytime somebody said
you're violating my constitutional rights. Thecourts would do this. They would say,

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all right, what is the pointof this law, whatever it is,
what's the point. What are youtrying to accomplish? What problem are
you trying to solve? And thenthey would look at, well, how
much of a burden is this law, and they would balance the two and
if you had a really good reasonto have the law and it didn't really
burden someone's rights too much, thatlaw would be found to be constitutional.

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That's still the case with any lawabout your First Amendment rights, your Fourth
Amendment rights, your Fifth Amendment rights, anything. It's the balancing test,
not anymore for gun laws. Gunlaws have their own different way of getting
resolved. And the gun law rulenow is you can only have a law

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restricting firearms if the government can provethat that law is consistent with this nation's
historical tradition. Those are the wordsof Justice Clarence Thomas, who wrote a
majority opinion changing in essence the waythat gun laws are evaluated and making it
completely different than any other kind oflaw that could affect a constitutional right.

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So there's two things going on.They're going to take up the case,
or they have taken up the caseof a guy named Zachi Rahimi. The
issue is one thing, he's thewrong guy to be the poster boy for
this issue. The issue is whetheror not having a restraining order put on

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you should be enough to deny youhaving a gun. And the reason I
say he's the wrong guy is here'swhat he did. One day. He
grabbed his ex girlfriend, tried toshove her into his car, she got
away. She got a protective orderfrom the courts because he threatened to shoot
her. He then was later involvedin five separate shooting incidents. But he's

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the guy who's brought the case,so they're going to make a decision about
that, and they likely will findthat having a restraining order issued against you
is not enough because you haven't beenconvicted of a crime, so it's probably
not enough to deny you the rightto have a firearm. And then the
other thing is they have decided tohear a case involving bump stocks, and

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a bumpstock is this very low techdevice that you can use to basically use
the recoil of a rifle to makethe rifle fire as if it were an
automatic weapon. It's still not anautomatic weapon. What it's doing is it's
using the recoil of the rifle toautomatically keep moving the trigger back and forth.

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And of course they there was ahole to do about the ATF deciding
they were illegal. Maybe they're notillegal. They're a subject of great concern
amongst a lot of people because theyare viewed as being synonymous with having a
machine gun. And this one's alittle This one's a little more difficult to
know what the Supreme Court might dobecause they have still not said everybody's entitled

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to have a machine gun if theywant one, and so I don't know
what they will say about a devicethat allows a gun to operate kind of
like a machine gun but not really. Thing though, is, let's say
you outlaw bump stocks. You cando the same thing with your belt loop.
With just your hands and your beltloop, you can have the same

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effect as having a bum stock.So I would imagine people who really really
want to do this will just startdoing it that way if they outlaw bump
stocks. But that's what's going on. The main thing to know is gun
laws now have their own way ofgetting resolved, unlike any other rights.
It's KFI AM six forty live everywhereon the iHeartRadio app. You've been listening

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