August 7, 2026 • 27 mins
(August 07, 2026)
Neil Saavedra fills in for Bill Handel this Friday morning. It’s Foodie Friday followed by guest David Tobin talking about Bill AB 2047: Firearms: 3-dimensional printing blocking technology.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listenings KFI AM six forty the Bill Handles Show
on demand on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
You are listening to the Bill Handle Show. Here's Neil Savedra.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
KFI AM six forty live everywhere on that there iHeartRadio app.
Good Friday morning to you. It is Neil Servader in
the morning crew handles out this morning. I've been having oh,
one heck of a time, a little off the rails today.
That's all right, It's a Friday in that kind of mood,
and we're finding out a lot about Ann back in
(00:38):
the day, and I love it, talk about the old
punk rock scene.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I know you miss it many good times.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I still go to shows. They just stand in the
back and complain about my knees.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Amy K King in the KFI newsroom. A bomb threat,
possible bomb threat.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
We have a The Huntington Hospital in Pasadena is closed down.
They did receive some sort of a threat. They have
police unseen, police canine units unseen. They're doing some sweeps
to look for suspicious packages or anything like that. They're
not accepting anybody new. So if you're going like going
(01:19):
to an emergency room, they're diverting you to another hospital
at this time, and apparently are also canceling some elective surgeries.
We'll keep you posted if anything develops. At this point,
it's a threat. Hopefully they're just doing the sweep to
make sure everybody's safe.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Awesome, thank you, all right.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Some of you know that outside of radio, I'm a maker,
which is a pretty broad statement about that. I like
to make and fix things, and I have a shop
at home and i spend a lot of my time
in there when I'm not with my family and on
the air here for those of you want to check
that out. You know, my normal Instagram is at fok
(01:56):
Reporter and that's basically for my food show on Saturday
and some lifestyle stuff there. But I have one that
is my personal one called Savco Industries. It's saa v
co Industries on Instagram, and that's lesser known because that's
just my personal stuff. And you can go there right
(02:17):
now and you can see what I'm in the middle of. Currently,
there's a picture of me holding a three D printed
full size Damnsel in distress for a display. Halloween display
this year, the Buddy Mine's doing a really big one
and it's the you know, creature of black lagoon woman
being held. Also, I've been working on doing a full
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size one to one three D R two D two
since May. And there is a bill AB twenty forty
seven aimed at stopping the use of three D printers
to make certain shapes. They say it's about firearms and
illegal firearm parts, but there's much more to it, and
although I'm pretty well read on it, I'm well read
(03:04):
because of the next man. I'm going to introduce you
to David Tobin. I've been following him for a long
time and Joel telling on the three D Printing NERD
channel on YouTube, which is fantastic and I highly recommend it.
But also he is the director of the Community Manufacturing
Initiative and I bring him on to KFI right now. David,
(03:25):
welcome to KFI.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Thanks, I appreciate being on the show.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
So there's a.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Lot going on, and it passed the State Assembly. It's
now headed to the Senate.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Correct it's in.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
The Senate and it's currently in appropriations and we're waiting
to find out by the end of next week if
it's going to go to the Senate floor.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I explaining about me being a make and all those
things sets my interest, But this is not about just
people like me.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
It goes beyond that.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
If it was, Hey, in a perfect world, I wish
there were no firearms. That would be great that we
don't have any of that to worry about. But this
goes beyond just those of us that enjoy three D
printing and love that there is light manufacturing. There is
the film industry is involved in this, There is a lot.
Can you explain what AB twenty forty seven is and
(04:19):
the inherent problems they're in.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Yeah. Absolutely. First of all, I check out your Instagram.
There's some awesome projects on there for anyone listening that
AR two is coming along nicely, very nice. You're welcome.
So essentially, the Assembly member Rebecca Bauer Khan is the
head of Privacy for the state of California, and they
introduced a bill that will require three D printers to
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have what they call blocking technology on them in order
to prevent machines from making shapes that they deem bad
and objects that they deem bad. And the issue with
this is that the three D owners don't have the
capability to do this. That's not how the machines work.
So the general intent of the bill doesn't work because
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that's how the technology exists.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It basically.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yeah, so they call them g codes, and this essentially
is a code that you couldn't read.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I mean, you can't look at it.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
It just is space is it's it finds a spatial
place to drop, in this case melted filament. But on
a C and C it would be to drop a
bit or a laser cutter would be a slightly different
use of spatial placement of a laser to cut something.
(05:45):
But there isn't There is no evil code, and there
is no evil shape. I think you said this best.
You've said it regulates a tool, not the crime. And
I think that it is so succinct as to what's
going on. They're trying to make you not be able
to make a shape that they think is evil.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Well, that's exactly it.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
I mean, there's there's an example that I gave in
one of the Senate hearings. I said, you know, we
all know, you know it stinks when you microwave fish,
and it's a terrible smell, but we don't get mad
at the fish or the microwave and get mad at
Bob who microwave of the fish. Oh, it's all is
it is a bob and accounting. Actually I said so,
so you have this example of it, but more so
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that JVD printers make all sorts of objects, and we
brought in legacy effects they make the Avengers, Star Wars,
Drassic Park, all of these films, and with La Times article,
we were there and they showed the trigger system to
operate baby Grogu's hands and all these other things, and
like the replacement for my garden hose or Mike Dyson,
these triggers and things like that, and it all comes
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from the core of this. The reason why we're trying
to do mental gymnastics here is because this all comes
from an organization called every Town for Gun Safety. They're
a national organization that has been putting this bill in
multiple states to try to get it passed to say
they've stopped a crime that is happening. But actually, according
to the Department of Justice, the ATF, this is not
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a significant crime in any capacity. There's never been a
murder with a three D printy gun, which is a
completely plastic three D printy gun. People have modified weapons
and done all sorts of stuff like that. But senators
in these hearings have said you can go to home
depot right now and make a firearm for twenty dollars
that will work again. And again, I'm talking about making
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you for years. You know, we've been making it for years.
So what the bill actually does, and this is the
scary part and why it's turned into such a thing
where you know, people are talking about COPA violations and
HIPPA and all of this stuff, is that they're asking
for a company called Fizna, who is a company that
created software to match shapes to safety. Had an old
truck and you were trying to find a part for
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that truck, you could find the same part for that
truck and do that. A whole bunch of us in
the industry used their technology years ago. It didn't work
very well at all. But now they have teamed up
with the military surveillance company Palentaire to say they can
now detect what you're going to make and stop you
from doing this, and they want to implement it not
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just on three D printers but on devices everywhere. Essentially,
it's flock for your network. You know, that evasive camera
system that's monitoring getting torn down everywhere. Yeah, So essentially
what they want to do is add this to your printer.
But because the printers don't work that way, and the
board on your printer is your Cassio watch, has a
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stronger processing system than the board on a three D printer.
Just as you said, to read GTOTE lines of code,
which is very very simple to do.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
They're amazing.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
But yeah, yeah, well that's the point. It's supposed to
just do a thing, and it's the human that tells
it what to do.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
David, We've got to.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Get some amazing We've got to get some news. Sorry
to cut you, hang tight, will come back. I want
to know the broader picture. I know everything has a
slippery slope, but I want to make people care because
this is a much bigger issue that will seep into
other rights and freedoms that can be a problem. This
is bigger than them locking up you know spray cans,
(09:18):
which pisses me off in California already because someone uses
them for bad and I'm just trying to you know, spray.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Paint R two for Pete's sake.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
But I want to find out how it deals with
people that don't use three D printing, and also what
we can do, what can listeners do to help stop
this in its tracks in the Senate?
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Right now?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
What can we the people do to slow this or
stop this or let the powers that be in the
Senate know that this is a bad idea. It won't help,
it will hinder, and it will cause problems.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
So I think the main thing is reaching out to
the pro Temoffice that's essentially the head of the Senate
and Appropriations and letting them know. We made a website
that has all sorts of information on this called It's
at three DPrinting, nerd dot com, forward slash ab two
zero four seven, or you can go to three D
Printing is Not a Crime dot Org. That's a new
(10:19):
site that I'm just now launching. It is now live.
Cdprinting is not a Crime dot Org and it goes
over the issues in multiple states and around the world.
And essentially what people are trying to do is they're
saying there's an epidemic of people making three D printed weapons,
and it's kids doing all this stuff and these guns.
It's not an actual issue. And what this bill is
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going to do is allow the government to put surveillance
software on your computers and networks that will read everything
you do and have to see what you're doing in
order to prevent you from doing something they think might
be bad. And that's the big, big concern why everyone
is involved. The ACLU is up in arms, the California
and going to so station is up and arms. Very
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unlikely partners all winking together against this bill because of
the privacy concerns and the surveillance state it's proposing in
California and other areas. It's really concerning that we don't
have this crime and the things that they say are illegal,
like making you know, firearms that can't be traced or
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selling guns without a license. That's already illegal. You can't
do that already. The only thing this bill does is
allows surveillance software from Talent Pair to go on your
network or your computer or your machines at home, so
the Department of Justice can decide what you can and
cannot print.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yeah, this should be by partisan because of the breach
of privacy. Not to mention, you know, I like making
a lot of props, you know, replica props, and I've
made you know, the Stormtroopers E eleven or whatever, and
that would you Now that's based on a real gun
(12:01):
and it looks like I'm making a gun, but I'm not.
It's a plastic toy that sits with you know, my Stormtrooper, not.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Even your toys with What they're asking is to create
a database of bad shapes that will be lightly monitored.
And here's the bigger thing. Say like you're running a
print farming, do manufacturing like we do a three D
pre NERD. We make the educational robotic the XRP on
our print farm, and we had a metal component that
came back from a manufacturer that was off by two microns,
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very very small change in the size, but it didn't
work with what we were doing. So we had to
change our three D printed model and then start the
farm back up. It's a very easy fix to do.
But if that model, that new model suddenly went against
whatever bad algorithm this bill said was in place, we
would have to then call someone in the government to
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have them review what we're doing on our business, our property,
our IP and have someone else have to see it
and tell us if it's okay to make, which is crazy.
I mean, just saying the words right now to you
makes me sound like I'm mich sugar enough, But it's
not it's absolutely crazy, but that's what they want to implement.
So any business, any teacher, an he program, anyone that
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had any issues with this would have to then somehow
deal with the state and all these things. But also
it's going to flag you and say you're doing bad things.
It's going to create all these false positives and in
turn tons of lawsuits, and it's going to cost the
state and taxpayers millions and millions of dollars for something
that doesn't even need to exist and by everyone in
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the industry says it would not work and cannot exist
based on the technology, just like you explained earlier, and.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
It does not and genuinely does not keep and the
bad people from doing bad things. They find bad people
will find ways to do it. You know, you take
away guns, they use knives. You take away knives, they'll
use explosives. It's bad people do bad things. We are
not the those bad people. David Tobin has been my guest.
Thank you so much. Three D printing nerd dot com
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and also three D printing is not a crime dot org. Please,
I don't ask you this very often. Go to these websites,
do a bit of your homework and if you are
moved to do so, reach out to the Senate, reach
out to the places in these websites and let them
know this is not okay and you don't stand with it.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
And your local news and your local news, your local
people like this is a conversation for everyone to have.
And you're right, it's completely bipartisan. We're working across aisle
with everyone on us and it's.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Not just us three d geeks either.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
There's much more to it, and it does it will
reach everyone's door everyone. Yeah, absolutely, thanks David. I appreciate
you taking the time to come on. I'm a big
fan of what you do, and I know you are
the one leading this and taking the hits on all this,
and I appreciate you for that. I really really do
all right, my.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Friends by the time.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
I appreciate you keeping the awareness.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
My absolute pleasure, David Tobin. I'm sure we'll talk again.
My friend Handle is out today and hanging out with
Amy and Adam and will I the Roper Room. All
of a sudden and I see Kno and I see Ann.
You guys remember Romper Room? Do you remember anything? And
(15:22):
I've been learning so much about you. I'm so excited
because we probably we probably were at the same shows
at time and stuff like that, and I don't know,
I like me some man. I think she's cool. She
worked at k Rock like back then.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
K Rock. Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
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with Sapporo beer, Good with sushi, Great with the baseball.
Actually it is fantastic with sushi sushi. As a matter
of fact, all right, some of the talkbacks coming in,
I wanted to respond. This was a really good one
from Kelly, a teacher. She said, good morning, guys, Neil,
I have a question for you regarding the meta glasses.
We talked about those earlier and they're calling them pervert
(16:30):
glasses or whatever now, And I said, you know, it's
a tool like anything else. If people are going to
misuse the tool, they're going to misuse the tool. But
they are pretty amazing tech. She says. As a teacher,
we're going to have to deal with this because we
don't know how the kids are going to use them
in class. I teach middle school. God bless you, Kelly.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
That is tough.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Those kids will find a way to cheat to do anything.
So what are your thoughts on them in the classroom?
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Not?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
No, I'm very anti all the tech and the phones
and all that stuff in school. And I know there's
arguments on both sides, people saying, oh, it doesn't hurt
them scholastically. I don't know how you can hurt anybody
anymore in California schools. I'm lucky we have a great
school for our son. We are in a public school,
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and I love the teachers. They principle and it's We're very,
very blessed with a good school and very active parents
being involved in the like. So, but I think technology
like that misused with small brains. These are young children
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that need to learn reading, writing, and arithmetic preferably and
maybe move away from learning about their feelings so much
and all that stuff. I know it sounds weird, but
we shifted things in the nineties big time. You've got
a toll generation that doesn't know how to regulate their
feelings and everything else you got?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
What was that? Did you see that video.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Last night of a guy from Costco worked at Costco
drove his car into another guy that worked at Costco
who's on a motorcycle.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Did you see that?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
All because the guy in the motorcycle hugged a girl
that worked at Costco too that the other guy liked
and was jealous. You are not learning how to regulate
yourself and your emotions in life, if that listen. I've
been jealous, I've been mad, I've cried, I've been upset,
you know, hormones and love and emotions or at least
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thinking you're in love and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
It sucks.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
But geez, so I don't know why I went on
that tangent, but it was fun and I feel clear now.
I fear clear.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I need to go and get my emeter checked. Maybe,
So that is my answer to that. No, I wouldn't
let them in class rooms. They don't need that. That's
not helping anybody. There A quick joke for you, Hi, Neil,
You're awesome, Thank you very much. There, that's nice for
(19:18):
you to say a quick joke for you. How come
God didn't make two Yogi bears because they made a
boo boo.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
That's cute. No one got hurt there. Okay, well that
was good. I loved it.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I thought that was sweet. No one got hurt. Tell Neil,
but another candle on it. I'll have to read this
off the air because I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Then that is all right, we come back.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
We'll do it a little Nom nom news, a little
foody Friday, and then we're going to hand everything over
to the ever competent Gary and Shannon to clean up
this mess. I'm like a squirrel today. I love it.
I'm all over the place. I'm gonna go home and
I'm gonna feed my crows.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
You laugh at me. This is how I call.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Them when they come to my house. Yeah, and I
feed them. They're getting unsalted peanuts in the shell today.
They're good little sweety pies. Neil Savedra and the Morning
crew here today handles out today. He'll be back on Monday.
His birthday's coming up, doing a big party at his house.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Are you going?
Speaker 3 (20:36):
And and they're all costume parties and it's what superheroes
and super villains. Are you going as a goodie or
a batty? Yeah, you make a good Mattie batty. You're unassuming, Yeah,
yeah you get in there. But yeah, trying to get
(20:57):
my stuff together for that. Well, I love it because
it makes a party even more problematic. It's like, we
want you to drive, drive to the signs, drive south
till the signs are in Spanish, and then back up
a few feet and you'll be at his house and
(21:17):
were's something uncomfortable. Well, he's got a very talented wife
now who does likes to throw parties and she wants
to use her marketing abilities. Handle will be a mess,
She'll look great, all right. Kellogg's is getting rid of
the artificial coloring. This is something that's going on and
(21:40):
becoming much more popular. And I say, if it's artificial,
it's unnecessary, remove it. There are sometimes there are sometimes
where I think, you know, this getting a little out
of hand. People get weirded out about certain things, and
then there's stuff that is absolutely not necessary in food.
So removing artificial colors in all of its cereal by
the end of this year is what Kellogg's is saying.
(22:03):
So you know, they have a lot of colors in
their cereals, whether it's fruit lubs, applejacks and all these things.
They did this with Kraft mac and cheese, And you
know what, I know a lot about food. It's been
my life and focus for a while here on the air.
(22:25):
I couldn't tell a damn thing. I didn't notice. I
didn't notice anything. Just get rid of that garbage. We
don't want that stuff in our food.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Anymore, and go ahead and take it out.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Not's very farm. I love me some not s very farm.
I don't go as much as I used to. The
Boys and Berry Festival is fantastic. They really are quite ingenious.
The chefs over there during that time, the mix and
the marriage between the Boys and Berry and the flavors
and the different cauctions they do are pretty smart. I
(23:02):
think I had one time. I think I had some
short rib in a boisonberry.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
So that was one of the best things this last year,
the short rips and the mashed potatoes with a boisonberry sauce,
which sounds really weird, but it was delicious.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Yeah, they do a great job there, not very far.
Crafty Kitchen is the newest restaurant there. It opens today.
There at the theme park, and a new quick service
restaurant sits A long memory lane leans heavily on the
lore of Crafty Coyote, which I don't know a lot
of lore about Crafty Coyote, but it's a character I
(23:38):
guess known for his pie stealing antics in the knots
Berry Tales attraction. So apparently it's about this fox who's
a thief, and they're gonna do a restaurant around it.
So that is opening today. If you want to check
that out, good on you. This was a sucky story.
(23:58):
And I mentioned this because I hate the way the
Southland treats restaurants. A lot of these mom and pop
places get screwed left and right since COVID, and they
still haven't gotten their sea legs or their land legs back.
So popular California Burger restaurant is looking for donations. A
vehicle drove into it a hit and run, didn't leave
(24:21):
a note, no, no, no, nothing, and smashed. I mean
it was one of these small little side road places.
Damage is.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Complete. They can't serve food at all. There.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
It's a burger box. It's in Indio, right, it could
Coachella Valley area there and it was seven am the
last or this past Sunday, August second, and it said
its building was just struck with a vehicle hit and
run crash, causing massive damage to the structure and equipment,
forcing the temporary closure and they can't open it up
(24:57):
at this point. I think they're looking to raise twenty
thousand dollars. They have a GoFundMe campaign, so check it
out and look it up and make sure it's the
right one. At the time of this article on KTLA five,
it was at two thousand dollars of their twenty thousand
dollars goal. Again, the name of the restaurant was the
(25:18):
Burger Box there in Indio, and God bless them, and
I hope that they get back on their feet. We
need those small, palm and pomp places. Gary and Shannon
up next, Shannon's at the ready. Did you hear about
the new whopper?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
The ones that they're giving away right now? No, I
just said they redid the whopper at burger Came. What'd
they do to it? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
It's kind of a secret, but sales are up eight
point five percent over the past month.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
I like a good whopper, me too.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
I wonder what they did do it, because one of
the things I like is it hasn't changed since nineteen
ninety seven.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Yeah, it's a good solid back when I would throw
them back a little bit and a little bit, have
a little knock a.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Couple whoppers back, just take the edge off when you're drinking.
A whopper is a great alcohol. And back to the
day before. I had guts tied in not shinn i.
You know those baseball pitching machines.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Get so sorry. That was like race.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Sorry, Neil, I assume with being fast. God, that's awful.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Knocking back like burgers and fries and stuff. Daddie, Now
I want to do that.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
I couldn't. I'd explode, you would, I would, I would
pop a stitch. You can't do it. I've been drinking
water this morning, and I feel like I'm gonna popp it.
I'll taste a new whopper and tell you about it. Oh, thanks, buddy,
You're so welcome. You're not drinking these days, are you?
Speaker 4 (26:40):
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Then I'll have something to drinking.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Perfect.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Are you into the browns? Tonight?
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Sugar?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Something about this meat? What are they smoking it over? Angels?
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Now?
Speaker 3 (26:56):
All right, Gary and shadded up. Next the Monks and Merrill.
You know the lineup. Goat No, I'll see you tomorrow
at two on the Fork Report. This is KFI heard
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You are listening to the Bill Handle Show. Here's Neil Savedra.
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Good Friday morning to you. It is Neil Servader in
the morning crew handles out this morning. I've been having oh,
one heck of a time, a little off the rails today.
That's all right, It's a Friday in that kind of mood,
and we're finding out a lot about Ann back in
(00:38):
the day, and I love it, talk about the old
punk rock scene.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I know you miss it many good times.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I still go to shows. They just stand in the
back and complain about my knees.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Amy K King in the KFI newsroom. A bomb threat,
possible bomb threat.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
We have a The Huntington Hospital in Pasadena is closed down.
They did receive some sort of a threat. They have
police unseen, police canine units unseen. They're doing some sweeps
to look for suspicious packages or anything like that. They're
not accepting anybody new. So if you're going like going
(01:19):
to an emergency room, they're diverting you to another hospital
at this time, and apparently are also canceling some elective surgeries.
We'll keep you posted if anything develops. At this point,
it's a threat. Hopefully they're just doing the sweep to
make sure everybody's safe.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Awesome, thank you, all right.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Some of you know that outside of radio, I'm a maker,
which is a pretty broad statement about that. I like
to make and fix things, and I have a shop
at home and i spend a lot of my time
in there when I'm not with my family and on
the air here for those of you want to check
that out. You know, my normal Instagram is at fok
(01:56):
Reporter and that's basically for my food show on Saturday
and some lifestyle stuff there. But I have one that
is my personal one called Savco Industries. It's saa v
co Industries on Instagram, and that's lesser known because that's
just my personal stuff. And you can go there right
(02:17):
now and you can see what I'm in the middle of. Currently,
there's a picture of me holding a three D printed
full size Damnsel in distress for a display. Halloween display
this year, the Buddy Mine's doing a really big one
and it's the you know, creature of black lagoon woman
being held. Also, I've been working on doing a full
(02:41):
size one to one three D R two D two
since May. And there is a bill AB twenty forty
seven aimed at stopping the use of three D printers
to make certain shapes. They say it's about firearms and
illegal firearm parts, but there's much more to it, and
although I'm pretty well read on it, I'm well read
(03:04):
because of the next man. I'm going to introduce you
to David Tobin. I've been following him for a long
time and Joel telling on the three D Printing NERD
channel on YouTube, which is fantastic and I highly recommend it.
But also he is the director of the Community Manufacturing
Initiative and I bring him on to KFI right now. David,
(03:25):
welcome to KFI.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Thanks, I appreciate being on the show.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
So there's a.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Lot going on, and it passed the State Assembly. It's
now headed to the Senate.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Correct it's in.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
The Senate and it's currently in appropriations and we're waiting
to find out by the end of next week if
it's going to go to the Senate floor.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I explaining about me being a make and all those
things sets my interest, But this is not about just
people like me.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
It goes beyond that.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
If it was, Hey, in a perfect world, I wish
there were no firearms. That would be great that we
don't have any of that to worry about. But this
goes beyond just those of us that enjoy three D
printing and love that there is light manufacturing. There is
the film industry is involved in this, There is a lot.
Can you explain what AB twenty forty seven is and
(04:19):
the inherent problems they're in.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Yeah. Absolutely. First of all, I check out your Instagram.
There's some awesome projects on there for anyone listening that
AR two is coming along nicely, very nice. You're welcome.
So essentially, the Assembly member Rebecca Bauer Khan is the
head of Privacy for the state of California, and they
introduced a bill that will require three D printers to
(04:45):
have what they call blocking technology on them in order
to prevent machines from making shapes that they deem bad
and objects that they deem bad. And the issue with
this is that the three D owners don't have the
capability to do this. That's not how the machines work.
So the general intent of the bill doesn't work because
(05:06):
that's how the technology exists.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It basically.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yeah, so they call them g codes, and this essentially
is a code that you couldn't read.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I mean, you can't look at it.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
It just is space is it's it finds a spatial
place to drop, in this case melted filament. But on
a C and C it would be to drop a
bit or a laser cutter would be a slightly different
use of spatial placement of a laser to cut something.
(05:45):
But there isn't There is no evil code, and there
is no evil shape. I think you said this best.
You've said it regulates a tool, not the crime. And
I think that it is so succinct as to what's
going on. They're trying to make you not be able
to make a shape that they think is evil.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Well, that's exactly it.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
I mean, there's there's an example that I gave in
one of the Senate hearings. I said, you know, we
all know, you know it stinks when you microwave fish,
and it's a terrible smell, but we don't get mad
at the fish or the microwave and get mad at
Bob who microwave of the fish. Oh, it's all is
it is a bob and accounting. Actually I said so,
so you have this example of it, but more so
(06:29):
that JVD printers make all sorts of objects, and we
brought in legacy effects they make the Avengers, Star Wars,
Drassic Park, all of these films, and with La Times article,
we were there and they showed the trigger system to
operate baby Grogu's hands and all these other things, and
like the replacement for my garden hose or Mike Dyson,
these triggers and things like that, and it all comes
(06:51):
from the core of this. The reason why we're trying
to do mental gymnastics here is because this all comes
from an organization called every Town for Gun Safety. They're
a national organization that has been putting this bill in
multiple states to try to get it passed to say
they've stopped a crime that is happening. But actually, according
to the Department of Justice, the ATF, this is not
(07:14):
a significant crime in any capacity. There's never been a
murder with a three D printy gun, which is a
completely plastic three D printy gun. People have modified weapons
and done all sorts of stuff like that. But senators
in these hearings have said you can go to home
depot right now and make a firearm for twenty dollars
that will work again. And again, I'm talking about making
(07:35):
you for years. You know, we've been making it for years.
So what the bill actually does, and this is the
scary part and why it's turned into such a thing
where you know, people are talking about COPA violations and
HIPPA and all of this stuff, is that they're asking
for a company called Fizna, who is a company that
created software to match shapes to safety. Had an old
truck and you were trying to find a part for
(07:57):
that truck, you could find the same part for that
truck and do that. A whole bunch of us in
the industry used their technology years ago. It didn't work
very well at all. But now they have teamed up
with the military surveillance company Palentaire to say they can
now detect what you're going to make and stop you
from doing this, and they want to implement it not
(08:19):
just on three D printers but on devices everywhere. Essentially,
it's flock for your network. You know, that evasive camera
system that's monitoring getting torn down everywhere. Yeah, So essentially
what they want to do is add this to your printer.
But because the printers don't work that way, and the
board on your printer is your Cassio watch, has a
(08:40):
stronger processing system than the board on a three D printer.
Just as you said, to read GTOTE lines of code,
which is very very simple to do.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
They're amazing.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
But yeah, yeah, well that's the point. It's supposed to
just do a thing, and it's the human that tells
it what to do.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
David, We've got to.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Get some amazing We've got to get some news. Sorry
to cut you, hang tight, will come back. I want
to know the broader picture. I know everything has a
slippery slope, but I want to make people care because
this is a much bigger issue that will seep into
other rights and freedoms that can be a problem. This
is bigger than them locking up you know spray cans,
(09:18):
which pisses me off in California already because someone uses
them for bad and I'm just trying to you know, spray.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Paint R two for Pete's sake.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
But I want to find out how it deals with
people that don't use three D printing, and also what
we can do, what can listeners do to help stop
this in its tracks in the Senate?
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Right now?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
What can we the people do to slow this or
stop this or let the powers that be in the
Senate know that this is a bad idea. It won't help,
it will hinder, and it will cause problems.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
So I think the main thing is reaching out to
the pro Temoffice that's essentially the head of the Senate
and Appropriations and letting them know. We made a website
that has all sorts of information on this called It's
at three DPrinting, nerd dot com, forward slash ab two
zero four seven, or you can go to three D
Printing is Not a Crime dot Org. That's a new
(10:19):
site that I'm just now launching. It is now live.
Cdprinting is not a Crime dot Org and it goes
over the issues in multiple states and around the world.
And essentially what people are trying to do is they're
saying there's an epidemic of people making three D printed weapons,
and it's kids doing all this stuff and these guns.
It's not an actual issue. And what this bill is
(10:39):
going to do is allow the government to put surveillance
software on your computers and networks that will read everything
you do and have to see what you're doing in
order to prevent you from doing something they think might
be bad. And that's the big, big concern why everyone
is involved. The ACLU is up in arms, the California
and going to so station is up and arms. Very
(11:01):
unlikely partners all winking together against this bill because of
the privacy concerns and the surveillance state it's proposing in
California and other areas. It's really concerning that we don't
have this crime and the things that they say are illegal,
like making you know, firearms that can't be traced or
(11:22):
selling guns without a license. That's already illegal. You can't
do that already. The only thing this bill does is
allows surveillance software from Talent Pair to go on your
network or your computer or your machines at home, so
the Department of Justice can decide what you can and
cannot print.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yeah, this should be by partisan because of the breach
of privacy. Not to mention, you know, I like making
a lot of props, you know, replica props, and I've
made you know, the Stormtroopers E eleven or whatever, and
that would you Now that's based on a real gun
(12:01):
and it looks like I'm making a gun, but I'm not.
It's a plastic toy that sits with you know, my Stormtrooper, not.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Even your toys with What they're asking is to create
a database of bad shapes that will be lightly monitored.
And here's the bigger thing. Say like you're running a
print farming, do manufacturing like we do a three D
pre NERD. We make the educational robotic the XRP on
our print farm, and we had a metal component that
came back from a manufacturer that was off by two microns,
(12:30):
very very small change in the size, but it didn't
work with what we were doing. So we had to
change our three D printed model and then start the
farm back up. It's a very easy fix to do.
But if that model, that new model suddenly went against
whatever bad algorithm this bill said was in place, we
would have to then call someone in the government to
(12:53):
have them review what we're doing on our business, our property,
our IP and have someone else have to see it
and tell us if it's okay to make, which is crazy.
I mean, just saying the words right now to you
makes me sound like I'm mich sugar enough, But it's
not it's absolutely crazy, but that's what they want to implement.
So any business, any teacher, an he program, anyone that
(13:16):
had any issues with this would have to then somehow
deal with the state and all these things. But also
it's going to flag you and say you're doing bad things.
It's going to create all these false positives and in
turn tons of lawsuits, and it's going to cost the
state and taxpayers millions and millions of dollars for something
that doesn't even need to exist and by everyone in
(13:37):
the industry says it would not work and cannot exist
based on the technology, just like you explained earlier, and.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
It does not and genuinely does not keep and the
bad people from doing bad things. They find bad people
will find ways to do it. You know, you take
away guns, they use knives. You take away knives, they'll
use explosives. It's bad people do bad things. We are
not the those bad people. David Tobin has been my guest.
Thank you so much. Three D printing nerd dot com
(14:06):
and also three D printing is not a crime dot org. Please,
I don't ask you this very often. Go to these websites,
do a bit of your homework and if you are
moved to do so, reach out to the Senate, reach
out to the places in these websites and let them
know this is not okay and you don't stand with it.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
And your local news and your local news, your local
people like this is a conversation for everyone to have.
And you're right, it's completely bipartisan. We're working across aisle
with everyone on us and it's.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Not just us three d geeks either.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
There's much more to it, and it does it will
reach everyone's door everyone. Yeah, absolutely, thanks David. I appreciate
you taking the time to come on. I'm a big
fan of what you do, and I know you are
the one leading this and taking the hits on all this,
and I appreciate you for that. I really really do
all right, my.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Friends by the time.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
I appreciate you keeping the awareness.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
My absolute pleasure, David Tobin. I'm sure we'll talk again.
My friend Handle is out today and hanging out with
Amy and Adam and will I the Roper Room. All
of a sudden and I see Kno and I see Ann.
You guys remember Romper Room? Do you remember anything? And
(15:22):
I've been learning so much about you. I'm so excited
because we probably we probably were at the same shows
at time and stuff like that, and I don't know,
I like me some man. I think she's cool. She
worked at k Rock like back then.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
K Rock. Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
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with Sapporo beer, Good with sushi, Great with the baseball.
Actually it is fantastic with sushi sushi. As a matter
of fact, all right, some of the talkbacks coming in,
I wanted to respond. This was a really good one
from Kelly, a teacher. She said, good morning, guys, Neil,
I have a question for you regarding the meta glasses.
We talked about those earlier and they're calling them pervert
(16:30):
glasses or whatever now, And I said, you know, it's
a tool like anything else. If people are going to
misuse the tool, they're going to misuse the tool. But
they are pretty amazing tech. She says. As a teacher,
we're going to have to deal with this because we
don't know how the kids are going to use them
in class. I teach middle school. God bless you, Kelly.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
That is tough.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Those kids will find a way to cheat to do anything.
So what are your thoughts on them in the classroom?
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Not?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
No, I'm very anti all the tech and the phones
and all that stuff in school. And I know there's
arguments on both sides, people saying, oh, it doesn't hurt
them scholastically. I don't know how you can hurt anybody
anymore in California schools. I'm lucky we have a great
school for our son. We are in a public school,
(17:22):
and I love the teachers. They principle and it's We're very,
very blessed with a good school and very active parents
being involved in the like. So, but I think technology
like that misused with small brains. These are young children
(17:45):
that need to learn reading, writing, and arithmetic preferably and
maybe move away from learning about their feelings so much
and all that stuff. I know it sounds weird, but
we shifted things in the nineties big time. You've got
a toll generation that doesn't know how to regulate their
feelings and everything else you got?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
What was that? Did you see that video.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Last night of a guy from Costco worked at Costco
drove his car into another guy that worked at Costco
who's on a motorcycle.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Did you see that?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
All because the guy in the motorcycle hugged a girl
that worked at Costco too that the other guy liked
and was jealous. You are not learning how to regulate
yourself and your emotions in life, if that listen. I've
been jealous, I've been mad, I've cried, I've been upset,
you know, hormones and love and emotions or at least
(18:45):
thinking you're in love and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
It sucks.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
But geez, so I don't know why I went on
that tangent, but it was fun and I feel clear now.
I fear clear.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I need to go and get my emeter checked. Maybe,
So that is my answer to that. No, I wouldn't
let them in class rooms. They don't need that. That's
not helping anybody. There A quick joke for you, Hi, Neil,
You're awesome, Thank you very much. There, that's nice for
(19:18):
you to say a quick joke for you. How come
God didn't make two Yogi bears because they made a
boo boo.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
That's cute. No one got hurt there. Okay, well that
was good. I loved it.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I thought that was sweet. No one got hurt. Tell Neil,
but another candle on it. I'll have to read this
off the air because I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Then that is all right, we come back.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
We'll do it a little Nom nom news, a little
foody Friday, and then we're going to hand everything over
to the ever competent Gary and Shannon to clean up
this mess. I'm like a squirrel today. I love it.
I'm all over the place. I'm gonna go home and
I'm gonna feed my crows.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
You laugh at me. This is how I call.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Them when they come to my house. Yeah, and I
feed them. They're getting unsalted peanuts in the shell today.
They're good little sweety pies. Neil Savedra and the Morning
crew here today handles out today. He'll be back on Monday.
His birthday's coming up, doing a big party at his house.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Are you going?
Speaker 3 (20:36):
And and they're all costume parties and it's what superheroes
and super villains. Are you going as a goodie or
a batty? Yeah, you make a good Mattie batty. You're unassuming, Yeah,
yeah you get in there. But yeah, trying to get
(20:57):
my stuff together for that. Well, I love it because
it makes a party even more problematic. It's like, we
want you to drive, drive to the signs, drive south
till the signs are in Spanish, and then back up
a few feet and you'll be at his house and
(21:17):
were's something uncomfortable. Well, he's got a very talented wife
now who does likes to throw parties and she wants
to use her marketing abilities. Handle will be a mess,
She'll look great, all right. Kellogg's is getting rid of
the artificial coloring. This is something that's going on and
(21:40):
becoming much more popular. And I say, if it's artificial,
it's unnecessary, remove it. There are sometimes there are sometimes
where I think, you know, this getting a little out
of hand. People get weirded out about certain things, and
then there's stuff that is absolutely not necessary in food.
So removing artificial colors in all of its cereal by
the end of this year is what Kellogg's is saying.
(22:03):
So you know, they have a lot of colors in
their cereals, whether it's fruit lubs, applejacks and all these things.
They did this with Kraft mac and cheese, And you
know what, I know a lot about food. It's been
my life and focus for a while here on the air.
(22:25):
I couldn't tell a damn thing. I didn't notice. I
didn't notice anything. Just get rid of that garbage. We
don't want that stuff in our food.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Anymore, and go ahead and take it out.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Not's very farm. I love me some not s very farm.
I don't go as much as I used to. The
Boys and Berry Festival is fantastic. They really are quite ingenious.
The chefs over there during that time, the mix and
the marriage between the Boys and Berry and the flavors
and the different cauctions they do are pretty smart. I
(23:02):
think I had one time. I think I had some
short rib in a boisonberry.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
So that was one of the best things this last year,
the short rips and the mashed potatoes with a boisonberry sauce,
which sounds really weird, but it was delicious.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Yeah, they do a great job there, not very far.
Crafty Kitchen is the newest restaurant there. It opens today.
There at the theme park, and a new quick service
restaurant sits A long memory lane leans heavily on the
lore of Crafty Coyote, which I don't know a lot
of lore about Crafty Coyote, but it's a character I
(23:38):
guess known for his pie stealing antics in the knots
Berry Tales attraction. So apparently it's about this fox who's
a thief, and they're gonna do a restaurant around it.
So that is opening today. If you want to check
that out, good on you. This was a sucky story.
(23:58):
And I mentioned this because I hate the way the
Southland treats restaurants. A lot of these mom and pop
places get screwed left and right since COVID, and they
still haven't gotten their sea legs or their land legs back.
So popular California Burger restaurant is looking for donations. A
vehicle drove into it a hit and run, didn't leave
(24:21):
a note, no, no, no, nothing, and smashed. I mean
it was one of these small little side road places.
Damage is.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Complete. They can't serve food at all. There.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
It's a burger box. It's in Indio, right, it could
Coachella Valley area there and it was seven am the
last or this past Sunday, August second, and it said
its building was just struck with a vehicle hit and
run crash, causing massive damage to the structure and equipment,
forcing the temporary closure and they can't open it up
(24:57):
at this point. I think they're looking to raise twenty
thousand dollars. They have a GoFundMe campaign, so check it
out and look it up and make sure it's the
right one. At the time of this article on KTLA five,
it was at two thousand dollars of their twenty thousand
dollars goal. Again, the name of the restaurant was the
(25:18):
Burger Box there in Indio, and God bless them, and
I hope that they get back on their feet. We
need those small, palm and pomp places. Gary and Shannon
up next, Shannon's at the ready. Did you hear about
the new whopper?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
The ones that they're giving away right now? No, I
just said they redid the whopper at burger Came. What'd
they do to it? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
It's kind of a secret, but sales are up eight
point five percent over the past month.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
I like a good whopper, me too.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
I wonder what they did do it, because one of
the things I like is it hasn't changed since nineteen
ninety seven.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Yeah, it's a good solid back when I would throw
them back a little bit and a little bit, have
a little knock a.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Couple whoppers back, just take the edge off when you're drinking.
A whopper is a great alcohol. And back to the
day before. I had guts tied in not shinn i.
You know those baseball pitching machines.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Get so sorry. That was like race.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Sorry, Neil, I assume with being fast. God, that's awful.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Knocking back like burgers and fries and stuff. Daddie, Now
I want to do that.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
I couldn't. I'd explode, you would, I would, I would
pop a stitch. You can't do it. I've been drinking
water this morning, and I feel like I'm gonna popp it.
I'll taste a new whopper and tell you about it. Oh, thanks, buddy,
You're so welcome. You're not drinking these days, are you?
Speaker 4 (26:40):
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Then I'll have something to drinking.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Perfect.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Are you into the browns? Tonight?
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Sugar?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Something about this meat? What are they smoking it over? Angels?
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Now?
Speaker 3 (26:56):
All right, Gary and shadded up. Next the Monks and Merrill.
You know the lineup. Goat No, I'll see you tomorrow
at two on the Fork Report. This is KFI heard
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