March 19, 2025 • 29 mins
(March 19, 2025)
Chris Merril is in for Bill while he is out on vacation. JFK files released by Trump administration. After Trump DEI order, Navajo code talkers disappear from military websites. Dr. Jim Keany, Chief Medical Officer at Dignity Health St. Mary Medical Center in Long Beach, joins The Bill Handel Show for 'Medical News'! Dr. Keany talks with Chris about measles outbreak, sleepmaxxing, sleep trackers, and how to avoid falling for medical myths.
Chris Merril is in for Bill while he is out on vacation. JFK files released by Trump administration. After Trump DEI order, Navajo code talkers disappear from military websites. Dr. Jim Keany, Chief Medical Officer at Dignity Health St. Mary Medical Center in Long Beach, joins The Bill Handel Show for 'Medical News'! Dr. Keany talks with Chris about measles outbreak, sleepmaxxing, sleep trackers, and how to avoid falling for medical myths.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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What did we learn when the JFK files were released, Well,
for a while looked like they were not going to
come out because remember Trump said on President Trump said
(00:44):
on Monday, We're gonna release the files. There's gonna be
eighty thousand files, so many pages. You're gonna have so
many pages, it's gonna be huge. No one's ever seen
so many pages ever before. It's gonna be massive. Blah
blah blah. And then we get going through the day
and we watched the astronaut. That's a touchdown, and we go,
that's cool, they're back on Earth, and hey, whatever happened
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to those Kennedy files? And then we said well, they're
not going to come out. And then all of a sudden,
about quarter after four yesterday, I guess they did, and
they came out. Now that's important because quarter after four
our time is well after people on the East Coast
had already gone home. The evening news had already run
on the East coast when the files dropped. So what
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did we learn? Oh, we learned so much. In fact,
if you'll recall, we were asked what could be in
those files? And a White House spokesperson, Harrison Fields, in
a recent interview talking with News Nation, promoted the disclosure, saying,
the American people will have their hands on these documents
and there will be a story to tell. I won't
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preview that story, but let me tell you the American
people are truly going to be shocked at what they
see that from the White House. The files drop, and
the American people are truly shocked. Wrong, we are not shocked.
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It was, in the words of President Trump, a nothing burger. Yeah,
there was sixty three thousand pages I believe released of
bump kiss. His Nation was talking about that. They've talked
with one of their JFK experts and they said, what
did we learn.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Federal government also releasing tens of thousands of pages about
the assassination of President John F. Kennedy on Tuesday, but
so far they offer no real new insights or revelations.
While disappointing for those who believe in a cover up,
it is exactly what historians and experts expected.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I was promised revelations. I was promised shock and awe
and insight and revelations. Where do I pick that up?
Am I at the right counter? I was promised shock
and insight. Where do I go for the shock geting sight?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I want to now bring in Newsnations special correspondent Ross Coulthard.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Ross, good morning to you.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Fifty thousand pages released yesterday, the rest expected today. I
trust that you got to about page thirty thousand and
smoking guns for you or things you were surprised by?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Not yet, myke, Nope, nothing anything you were surprised. You're
an expert on this. We were promised revelations. Anything surprise you. No, No.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I have to admit it's been a heck of a read.
I've been reading most of the most of the night
while you guys have been asleep, and it is quite
something to read. I think The most fascinating one for
me was reading about the assassination of Dominican Republic President Trajio.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
And oh, now that's fascinating. We got the JFK assassination files.
We found out about the Dominican Republic assassination of not JFK.
Now that is fascinating. That is really go ahead, go
off on that little tangent. Tell us more about that.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
He was murdered basically by a military coup, but with
the full knowledge of the CIA. And I think the
chilling thing is to read these documents unreducted and realized
that we were basically going around killing leaders that we
didn't like very much.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Is that a shock? I think we knew that was happening,
didn't we. I don't think that comes as a shock
to anybody. I think we always kind of thought the
CIA is assassinating world leaders we don't like, and then
we had to actually sign a compact saying we will
not assassinate your world leaders. That was us, They had
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international accord because we kept killing off world leaders.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Yeah, and it was a very grim period in Cold
War history where we did anything in the name of
anti communism. And I guess it's a bit naive of
to expect that there would be anything in the documents
that would can't blaunch make it very clear that there
is or.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Isn't a conspiracy. Wait a minute, it was naive of us.
How are we being naive when the most powerful man
in the world sends out a spokesperson who says, I
won't preview the story, but let me tell you, the
American people are truly going to be shocked at what
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they see. And now you're telling me that I that
I elevated my expectations that I shouldn't have. I was
told elevate your expectations. I feel very let down.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I don't think anybody who had any intention to kill
the president would have set it out in black and white.
But what does come through in the documents, very very
clearly is that when Oswald visited Mexico City in September
prior to the assassination in nineteen sixty three, the CIA
had an enormous presence in Mexico City, and it really
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does strain credulity that they didn't have eyes on on
what he was up to, if indeed he was an assassin.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Okay, and you gotta love that at the end, the
historian throws out that if indeed he was the assassin,
I mean, I mean, if.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
On what he was up to, indeeded he was an assassin.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
If indeed, which of course is a passive way of saying,
I mean, did os won't really do it? I mean,
if indeed he was the guy. You know, he definitely
took shots at the president. If you want to argue
that there was more to it, that there was a
broader conspiracy, he definitely took shots. And I'll be honest
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with you, I have trouble with most conspiracy theories. This
is the one that I think there may be something
more to it than what we're ever going to know.
That said, I have resolved myself to understanding I will
not know, and I'm okay with that. My life doesn't
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change in any way, shape or form. Because I don't
know who was behind the assassination of Kennedy beyond the
shooter that they got, I don't know. Well, we'll never
find out from Oswald because Ruby killed him, and so
he can't he can't squeal on anyone else. In order
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to pull this off in a grand conspiracy, you would
have had to have so many people involved dozens at
the very least, And if there were dozens of people involved,
someone on their deathbed would have said I was on
the Grassy Knoll. But nobody ever did that. No one's
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ever going to do that. It is I always have
had trouble with the magic bullet theory. There have been
a number of different details of the Kennedy assassination that
don't make logical sense to me. It's why I think
there's probably more to the story, not gonna know what
that is. And you say, well, Merrill, if you don't
know what the truth is, how can you ever trust
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the government. Look, it's kind of the old Reagan adage,
trust but verifying, And if I have questions, I don't
let those questions. I don't want to let those questions
go away. I wasn't around when Kennedy was assassinated. Some
of you may have been, but I wasn't. I wouldn't
hear when Kennedy went down. But I know enough about
American history to know that the government is not always
honest with you. And so when the government tells me something,
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I always trust but verifying, and if I can't verify,
it erodes my trust. But the funny thing is with
these conspiracy theories. Once again, the fact that we don't
know that this was a nothing burger will only codify
the belief in some minds that there has to be
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more to the story. And they'll say, I mean, if
you were the CIA, would you let that information get out?
Of course the answer is no. But also if I
wasn't involved, what I have information I didn't want to
get out. No, it's also plausible that the CIA was
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not involved. This week there was a much ado as
a number of code talkers disappeared from military websites. The
history of the code talkers, which used to be on
the Department of Defense website, vanished. If you're unfamiliar to
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the code talkers, especially the Navajo code talkers who the
most famous. All the code talkers were used throughout history, Chalk, Taus, Comanche, Navajo, others,
but the Navajo code talkers basically developed a code in
World War Two using their own language that the the
Germans couldn't decipher. They couldn't get to it. Now, if
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you'll recall, the Germans were very very good. Listen, I'm
getting old, and I realized about the time I hit
forty suddenly all those World War two documentaries on the
History Channel became fascinating to me. You'll recall the Germans
of World War Two were very very good at their codes,
at disguising their messages. We couldn't break it. In fact,
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it was only after the development of the Enigma machine
that we were able to do. So it was basically
the first computer. We allowed for the machine to decipher it.
Because the Germans had a way of changing their code
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every day, it seemed to be a completely random pattern.
So suppose you're doing one of those ciphers in the
newspaper or online or wherever you do it, and you
have to try to figure out what it says, and
you're trying to break the code, and you're going, okay,
well this squiggly line this I figured out that this
squiggly line that equals a D. So then you go
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through all the cipher and you find all the squiggly
lines and you go, that's a D. And then from
there you try to figure out the rest of it. Right,
that's it. Well, imagine if every time you got to one,
the whole thing changed. The whole thing changed. So Alan
Turing was the guy. He's kind of considered to be
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the father of modern computers, because he had this notion,
rather than trying to get people who are good at
crosswords and ciphers in the paper, why don't we get
a machine that can figure out these codes, and it'll
be able to do it faster than we can now.
They didn't have the kind of machinery and chips that
we did, obviously, because they didn't have computers then, so
it was a very mechanical system. But he made it
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work and they were able to use this Enigma machine
to decipher the code, and that gave us an advantage
on the Germans. On the American side, we didn't have
any of this. We didn't worry about Germany's technological superiority
to decipher our codes because what we did is we
took a dead language. Well to the rest of the
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world anyway, the Navajo were still using it, which is
why it was known. We took a language that the
rest of the world didn't know. They had no idea,
they didn't know what these different sounds meant. They didn't
have any interpreters. They didn't have so they're trying to
decipher a language with no key. There was no well
this sound means this letter or this phrase could potentially
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mean this. They couldn't decipher it for squat And it
was all based on that ancient not ancient, but that
Navajo language which had been around for for hundreds of
years or more. So the Navajo stepped up. The Navajo
soldiers spoken this language. The Germans couldn't decipher it, and
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the way that we were then eventually able to decipher
their codes using our computing expertise, they couldn't do it.
So in many ways it was the code talkers who
gave us an advantage in the war, including iwo Jima,
six code talkers. Ewogima sent more than eight hundred messages
with zero errors. Part of the reason that we had
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the Navajo in the military was because there was an
emphasis on diversity in the military. They wanted diversity because
they knew there was strength and having people with different
backgrounds who could then bring different skills. And in the
case of the code talkers, they brought an entire language
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that nobody else could speak and it was the most
effective encryption that anyone had during World War two. And again,
as I mentioned, we said this happened in the past.
Choctaw World War One Comanche. Also in World War Two.
We've seen this happen before. So President Trump signs the
d E Executive Order. We're gonna get all diversity, We're
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gonna get all equality, we're gonna get all inclusion and
anything that promotes those things out of the military. And
so they said, we're gonna scrub all the websites of
any of this stuff. And what they do, they scrubbed
the website. At least ten articles that mentioned the code
talkers disappeared from the US Army and the Department of
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Defense websites. Well, as one might expect all Hell broke clues.
People were not very excited about the fact that we've
just decided to erase history because we're afraid it might
be too inclusionary. After Hell breaks loose, suddenly we go,
this isn't gonna be great. By the way, there are
also other DEI labels that are on the website to
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go this has been removed in compliance with the executive order.
Those would include things like Civil War nurses, Black veterans,
and their units, including the Harlem Hell Fighters, the seven
hundred and sixty First Take Battalion, the five hundred and
fifty fifth Parachute Infantry also Latino airmen who coordinated mental
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health support for military personnel. That story was deleted. The
Army removed pages about the fifty fourth Massachusetts Regiment, the
women Air Force Service pilots all removed. It's not going
over very well because we go wait a minute, Wait
a minute, wait a minute. Are you telling me that
this country's been woke and that much of our history
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is based on wokeness? I guess that's what a melting
pot is all about.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
On certain topics, including Navajo Code Talkers, there's a banner
on the DoD's website saying content has been revised or
removed to align with the President's executive order that has
to do with diversity, equity, and inclusion. I just said that,
I've been looking at archived websites from earlier this month.
An error now shows up. A DoD spokesperson told ABC
fifteen they will restore the content with the Navajo Code
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Talkers saying had been removed. Quote during the auto removal process.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Anybody who's gonna throw a fit about this, But now
that they have, we're going to get it right.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
President Trump previously hosted co Talkers in the White House
commending them.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Nava, that's true. In fact, I had that audio and
since deleted it because I'm terrible at saving audio. He
did have them at the White House and he commended them,
and he was very thankful, and then he pointed out
that Elizabeth Warren is Pocahontas Navajo Nation.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
President emphasized they should not be limped into DEI initiatives.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
We have a different, unique relationship with the federal government.
It's say sovereign to sovereign relationship. It's not based upon race,
and it's more of a political relationship.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
It's currently unclear when the content will be fully restored.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
You can look at this and say, these are just,
you know, small incidents that are happening, but when you
add them up, and as a historian, you know, especially
of World War two, saying this, it's downright scary.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
I'm Melanie daw ABC fifteen, Arizona.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
What so we don't learn our history? What could possibly
go wrong? Chris Maryland for Bill Handlelon, I am six
forty eight more stimulating talk. I don't have any idea.
Nobody invites me. They're like, hey, you want to invite Meryl. No,
who's going to do the show. If we bring Merrill along,
that will suck. So who do we bring? I don't know.
You guys want to bring in doctor Jim Keeney. Sure,
(17:14):
he's on the show all the time. He'll be a
lot of fun to come along. Chief Medical Officer for
Dignity Saint Mary Medical Center, Long Beach joins us NOW
Medical News with doctor Keeney and doctor Kenny. I appreciate
your dedication to the program and being a part of
a part of the Bill Handle Show, even though Bill
will not be a part of the Bill Handle Show today.
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (17:29):
Doctor Keeney, of course.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Unbelievable. So you are avoiding the United States right now,
and I think that makes perfect sense, especially because we've
decided to give measles a try.
Speaker 7 (17:42):
Yeah yeah, So measles outbreak is still going on. I mean,
I know we've talked about it before, but I think
it's just this ongoing event at this point and probably
will be for the next year, to be honest, because
our vaccination rates, especially in Texas, have dropped so low
that we can expect, you know, outbreaks at this point.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Why why are we all of a sudden vaccine skeptical.
I have a little bit of understanding when it comes
to COVID because it was new, it's the mRNA vaccine,
a different delivery, And I understand that there's some skepticism
to new things, and I know that we'd like to
challenge authority all that kind of stuff. But when it
comes to the MMR, the measles mumpsterbella vaccine for Pete's sake,
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that's been around forever, why are we Why are we
hesitant about something that is shown it's.
Speaker 7 (18:27):
Fine, Yeah, I mean it's a it's a combination of things.
There are people who are vaccine hesitant because overall because
of vaccines, You're right, that's I think that might be
the minority at this point. So a lot of people
that are just government hesitant, and they don't want to
be told what to do, and they don't want to
obey the government, and so even if the government's right,
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they're going to say, you can't tell me what to do. So,
I mean that's there's a big group of people I
run into, at least at this point, that are more like,
I want, I'm it for individual rights, individuality, individual choice,
and I choose not to get my kids vaccinated. And
when you look at these cases. The people that are
getting measles aren't the ones making the choice. It's their parents.
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They're making the choice. And seventy eight percent of the
cases or kids who didn't get to choose.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah, doesn't it seem strange to you that we would
choose self harm in order to take a stand for
individual choice? For instance, I believe in individual choice too.
In many cases, there is at no point do I
say I'm going to tear out my fingernails just because
the government doesn't want me to. Why do we say,
let's make sure our kids get these diseases that have
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been otherwise eradicated for individual choice? Isn't this I mean,
this feels like it's a real cognitive dissonance going on
within one's own mind. There has to be a psychological
component to this.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
There is, and I think, you know, overall, just people
are trying to deal with it. I know, and honestly,
as you talk to each individual person as you do
when you're a doctor, they you know, they really are
trying to do the best They're they're trying to make
the best of their understanding of the world, and they're
coming to this conclusion you're wishing there was a way.
You know, how do I not sound like I'm sold
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out to pharmaceutical companies because I don't get a dime
if you get vaccinated or not. You know, how do
I sound like you know that I can be a
legitimate source when you know, because I know when I
was started this in med school, there was we had
Jenny McCarthy, who you know, went from being a we'll
call her a reality star show to you know, on
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the view, to all of a sudden an authority on
you know, vaccines and autism. And I realized, wow, I
don't have that level, you know, sitting at a patient's bedsite,
I don't have that level of influence. I really can't
combat that. So I mean, there's just people who choose
they're they're easily kind of taken in by you know,
almost call them medical myths, and they kind of if
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it aligns with their with their own thinking already, and
we tend to believe things that align with our own thinking.
And I think that's what's happening is you suspect the government,
you find out that there's something about vaccines that they're
not telling you, and then it aligns with your thinking.
You say no way, I'm not doing it.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Where is the Where did this go wrong? I love
what you said, doctor Jim Kinney, the chief medical officer
for Dignity Saint Mary Medical Center in Long Beach, as
our medical News that doctor Kenney continues, I love what
you said about as you talk to individuals, you learned
that they really are trying to do the best for themselves.
At some point, their parents must not have taught them
that the best thing they can do for themselves is
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listen to doctors. So is this a condition of Centerfolds
having more influence than the doctor that we suddenly the
girl who's in the magazine under my mattress, I believe
her more than I believe the guy wearing the lab coat.
And ten years of schooling and twenty years of experience.
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At some point we decided that the credibility of those
doctors was not in our best interest. So how do
we reconcile. I'm going to do what's best for myself,
but I'm also going to ignore the experts.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
Right now, it's you're absolutely right, but the you know,
and I'm going to take I'm going to take responsibility
for that. You know, doctors have kind of made their beds. Right.
Used to be people that you could sit and talk
to and have a relationship with and you really trusted
and understood. And now it's these fifteen minutes appointment where
you maybe get five minutes max of FaceTime, And how
do you build a relationship, how do you build trust
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in that much time? You know, the American health system's
somewhat broken and doctors are not establishing that relationship or trust.
And now that's that's really unfair to put across every
doctor because I mean, my doctor sits there and talks
to me, and I know he does that not just
with me, but with his other patients. So there's people
out there that actually do that. But overall, as a specialty,
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we are you know, we have not engendered the trust
that we really need to. And you know, and now
that we drop so in the past, if if you
only had little pockets, right, and you have what we
everybody knows now is herd immunity, right, if if you
don't find it in the herd, then the people that
are sensitive to it won't be impacted. And that's what
we've been seeing for years. Well, now we've dropped below
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that herd immunity and now those small pockets are no
longer protected. They are going to be and really this
if you have you know, this is what I'm concerned about,
is people are worried about measles and they're coming to
be concerned that they're going to get it. If you've
been vaccinated, if you were born before nineteen fifty seven,
you had measles, you know you are You're fine, you
know you're not probably not going to get If you
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really want to know, you can get a measles tighter.
It will prove whether you're immune or not. This is
really going to be a disease to be unvaccinated. So
if you're unvaccinated, you have concerns, and if you're not,
If you are vaccinated, you're going to be fine.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
It's really changed. You used to be able to sit
down and have a conversation with doctors. Now doctors you've
got fifteen minutes appointment. Fifteen minute appointments. You get about
five minutes FaceTime with the doctors. Is this because we
have a shortage of providers or is this is this
a health insurance thing? Is this about quotas and tracking results?
What's what's the cause the root cause of that.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
Yeah, that's that's a great question. But the problem is,
there's no sound bite answer to this one. It is
it's a it's a breakdown across the board, right that
we do have a significant shortage of physicians. So I
mean you refer to somebody even in my area where
you know, we have plenty, we have a lot of physicians,
but we're still a shortage of neurosurgeons and often neurologists
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where it may take three months to get into see one.
You know, there's there's shortages of all types of specialties.
So you know, there's definitely the shortage issue, and so
doctors are trying to get in as many patients as
they can. You're in a generation where doctors sell. You know,
it's one of the few areas where salaries have gone
down is medicine. That's why you see kind of this
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brain drain of you know, it used to be the
smart kids went to medical school. Now it seems like
the smart kids going to finance or computer science or AI. Right,
So the the incomes have gone down rather than going
up over the years, and I think Dodgers have tried
to mitigate that by working harder and seeing more patients.
That it plays into it in a lot of ways.
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I can I can maybe equalize out my income. I
can also serve the population who's saying, look, we don't
have enough doctors and I need to see more people. So,
you know, and then we have all the managed care
is you know, the term for an HMO, for example,
is managed care, and you get a per member, per
month fee. Right, So the theory is if I keep
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all my patients healthy, then they get to just keep
that money. They don't have to spend a lot of
money in medical fees, and so you're kind of at risk.
But so what people do is they take on quite
a few patients because you know, if you're going to
get ten dollars per member per month and you need
to make you know, you know, twenty thousand dollars a month,
then you're going to take on two thousand patients. And
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at the end of the month, you know, you may
have had to see a good portion of those, maybe
ten percent of those, or maybe they don't have to
see any of them. But really people are getting you know,
we have more interventions in healthcare now, there's more things
to check, there's more things we can treat and so
it's really the visits are going up and the population
is aging. You know that people over sixty five see
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the doctor five times as much as someone under sixty five,
so suddenly we need more visits as well. There's just
so many factors that we've kind of lost control. Doctors
are now kind of hourly employees for the most part,
and it's hard to really, you know, control your workflow
in a lot of settings. Some settings you can, and
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they're choosing to work the extra hours. Other settings, it's
just hard to control it.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I could I literally talk to this topic for two
or three hours, but nobody would want to listen to it.
So doctor Kittie, let me move on real quick. I
want to get to this. Working mornings sucks. I've done
it before. They asked what I do it for Bill,
I said no. They said we will give you doctor
pay for it. I said, that's great, I'll do it.
Then they told me doctor pay was ten dollars, which
I thought was crap. Right, I didn't realize until talking
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to you that I get a doctor pay. So what's
the I've got a sleep tracker on my on my
Apple Watch, and it tells me i'bout enough sleep, especially
this week, right, right is there? I mean I thought
I find that very useful because I'm somebody that subscribes
the whole. I got to get eight hours and I
try to go to bed with the with the sun
down and get up when the sun comes up and
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not set an alarm clock. Am I doing stuff wrong?
Speaker 7 (27:23):
Yeah? I mean so a lot packed in there, right.
Sleep trackers, they are estimating sleep based on things like
your pulse and your pulse oxygen level, and movement. That's
not what sleep labs do and they never have. Sleep
labs are approximating sleepy goo by ataching electrodes to your
head and looking at actual brain waves. So your sleep
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tracker is telling you you're in rem sleep, but it
actually has no idea because it's not packing your brain waves.
And even when we talk about rem sleep and deep sleep,
what estimating with the brain waves is the neurochemical process
in the brain that we can't measure. So your three
spaces removed from measuring the correct thing when you're just
using a tracker. So there is there is a there's
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a condition now where people get so anxious over the
fact that their sleep tracker is telling them they're not
getting enough sleep that they actually have anxiety over it.
They go to a sleep study and they realize, no,
you're actually getting all the sleep you need, and they're
just they don't accept it because they really are bought
into these trackers. So they're interesting. They're good because what
you can do is modify certain things, right like, you know,
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eat a late meal and go to bed and see
what that does to your sleep tracker. That that kind
of change, you can tell you, well, I'm getting better
sleep or less, you know, not as good sleep. You
can try, you know, drink having a nightcap before you
go to bed. People think it helps them sleep, it
actually hurts their sleep for the most part. Same thing
with like marijuana gunnies. People swear by those to sleep,
but they disrupt your rem sleep and your deep sleep cycles.
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So you know, that's kind of what's going on with
those sleep trackers. They're they're fun, but they also they
have their downside as well. And there's even people that
going to the doctor and getting mends that they don't
need to help them with a sleep problem that they
don't have. So you know, I think there is some
danger there. But if you have a sleep problem and
you want to see a sleep specialist. They can do
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a sleep study and a sleep lab connected to the
electra and then you'll really know the right answer.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Which is why I offset my nightcap with the gummy
because I figured that I just just mix them and
everything works out. Doctor Jim Keeney, chief medical Officer for
Dignity Saint Mary Medical Center, Long Beach, It's Medical News
with doctor Kenny.
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Thanks so much, Doctor Kenny. Enjoy the rest of your trip,
my friend. Thank you so much for carving.
Speaker 7 (29:33):
Thank you for us.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Thanks Bell, appreciate absolutely.
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What did we learn when the JFK files were released, Well,
for a while looked like they were not going to
come out because remember Trump said on President Trump said
(00:44):
on Monday, We're gonna release the files. There's gonna be
eighty thousand files, so many pages. You're gonna have so
many pages, it's gonna be huge. No one's ever seen
so many pages ever before. It's gonna be massive. Blah
blah blah. And then we get going through the day
and we watched the astronaut. That's a touchdown, and we go,
that's cool, they're back on Earth, and hey, whatever happened
(01:04):
to those Kennedy files? And then we said well, they're
not going to come out. And then all of a sudden,
about quarter after four yesterday, I guess they did, and
they came out. Now that's important because quarter after four
our time is well after people on the East Coast
had already gone home. The evening news had already run
on the East coast when the files dropped. So what
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did we learn? Oh, we learned so much. In fact,
if you'll recall, we were asked what could be in
those files? And a White House spokesperson, Harrison Fields, in
a recent interview talking with News Nation, promoted the disclosure, saying,
the American people will have their hands on these documents
and there will be a story to tell. I won't
(01:51):
preview that story, but let me tell you the American
people are truly going to be shocked at what they
see that from the White House. The files drop, and
the American people are truly shocked. Wrong, we are not shocked.
(02:11):
It was, in the words of President Trump, a nothing burger. Yeah,
there was sixty three thousand pages I believe released of
bump kiss. His Nation was talking about that. They've talked
with one of their JFK experts and they said, what
did we learn.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Federal government also releasing tens of thousands of pages about
the assassination of President John F. Kennedy on Tuesday, but
so far they offer no real new insights or revelations.
While disappointing for those who believe in a cover up,
it is exactly what historians and experts expected.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I was promised revelations. I was promised shock and awe
and insight and revelations. Where do I pick that up?
Am I at the right counter? I was promised shock
and insight. Where do I go for the shock geting sight?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I want to now bring in Newsnations special correspondent Ross Coulthard.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Ross, good morning to you.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Fifty thousand pages released yesterday, the rest expected today. I
trust that you got to about page thirty thousand and
smoking guns for you or things you were surprised by?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Not yet, myke, Nope, nothing anything you were surprised. You're
an expert on this. We were promised revelations. Anything surprise you. No, No.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I have to admit it's been a heck of a read.
I've been reading most of the most of the night
while you guys have been asleep, and it is quite
something to read. I think The most fascinating one for
me was reading about the assassination of Dominican Republic President Trajio.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
And oh, now that's fascinating. We got the JFK assassination files.
We found out about the Dominican Republic assassination of not JFK.
Now that is fascinating. That is really go ahead, go
off on that little tangent. Tell us more about that.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
He was murdered basically by a military coup, but with
the full knowledge of the CIA. And I think the
chilling thing is to read these documents unreducted and realized
that we were basically going around killing leaders that we
didn't like very much.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Is that a shock? I think we knew that was happening,
didn't we. I don't think that comes as a shock
to anybody. I think we always kind of thought the
CIA is assassinating world leaders we don't like, and then
we had to actually sign a compact saying we will
not assassinate your world leaders. That was us, They had
(04:45):
international accord because we kept killing off world leaders.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Yeah, and it was a very grim period in Cold
War history where we did anything in the name of
anti communism. And I guess it's a bit naive of
to expect that there would be anything in the documents
that would can't blaunch make it very clear that there
is or.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Isn't a conspiracy. Wait a minute, it was naive of us.
How are we being naive when the most powerful man
in the world sends out a spokesperson who says, I
won't preview the story, but let me tell you, the
American people are truly going to be shocked at what
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they see. And now you're telling me that I that
I elevated my expectations that I shouldn't have. I was
told elevate your expectations. I feel very let down.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I don't think anybody who had any intention to kill
the president would have set it out in black and white.
But what does come through in the documents, very very
clearly is that when Oswald visited Mexico City in September
prior to the assassination in nineteen sixty three, the CIA
had an enormous presence in Mexico City, and it really
(06:05):
does strain credulity that they didn't have eyes on on
what he was up to, if indeed he was an assassin.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Okay, and you gotta love that at the end, the
historian throws out that if indeed he was the assassin,
I mean, I mean, if.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
On what he was up to, indeeded he was an assassin.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
If indeed, which of course is a passive way of saying,
I mean, did os won't really do it? I mean,
if indeed he was the guy. You know, he definitely
took shots at the president. If you want to argue
that there was more to it, that there was a
broader conspiracy, he definitely took shots. And I'll be honest
(06:46):
with you, I have trouble with most conspiracy theories. This
is the one that I think there may be something
more to it than what we're ever going to know.
That said, I have resolved myself to understanding I will
not know, and I'm okay with that. My life doesn't
(07:09):
change in any way, shape or form. Because I don't
know who was behind the assassination of Kennedy beyond the
shooter that they got, I don't know. Well, we'll never
find out from Oswald because Ruby killed him, and so
he can't he can't squeal on anyone else. In order
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to pull this off in a grand conspiracy, you would
have had to have so many people involved dozens at
the very least, And if there were dozens of people involved,
someone on their deathbed would have said I was on
the Grassy Knoll. But nobody ever did that. No one's
(07:52):
ever going to do that. It is I always have
had trouble with the magic bullet theory. There have been
a number of different details of the Kennedy assassination that
don't make logical sense to me. It's why I think
there's probably more to the story, not gonna know what
that is. And you say, well, Merrill, if you don't
know what the truth is, how can you ever trust
(08:14):
the government. Look, it's kind of the old Reagan adage,
trust but verifying, And if I have questions, I don't
let those questions. I don't want to let those questions
go away. I wasn't around when Kennedy was assassinated. Some
of you may have been, but I wasn't. I wouldn't
hear when Kennedy went down. But I know enough about
American history to know that the government is not always
honest with you. And so when the government tells me something,
(08:38):
I always trust but verifying, and if I can't verify,
it erodes my trust. But the funny thing is with
these conspiracy theories. Once again, the fact that we don't
know that this was a nothing burger will only codify
the belief in some minds that there has to be
(09:00):
more to the story. And they'll say, I mean, if
you were the CIA, would you let that information get out?
Of course the answer is no. But also if I
wasn't involved, what I have information I didn't want to
get out. No, it's also plausible that the CIA was
(09:21):
not involved. This week there was a much ado as
a number of code talkers disappeared from military websites. The
history of the code talkers, which used to be on
the Department of Defense website, vanished. If you're unfamiliar to
(09:41):
the code talkers, especially the Navajo code talkers who the
most famous. All the code talkers were used throughout history, Chalk, Taus, Comanche, Navajo, others,
but the Navajo code talkers basically developed a code in
World War Two using their own language that the the
Germans couldn't decipher. They couldn't get to it. Now, if
(10:03):
you'll recall, the Germans were very very good. Listen, I'm
getting old, and I realized about the time I hit
forty suddenly all those World War two documentaries on the
History Channel became fascinating to me. You'll recall the Germans
of World War Two were very very good at their codes,
at disguising their messages. We couldn't break it. In fact,
(10:27):
it was only after the development of the Enigma machine
that we were able to do. So it was basically
the first computer. We allowed for the machine to decipher it.
Because the Germans had a way of changing their code
(10:48):
every day, it seemed to be a completely random pattern.
So suppose you're doing one of those ciphers in the
newspaper or online or wherever you do it, and you
have to try to figure out what it says, and
you're trying to break the code, and you're going, okay,
well this squiggly line this I figured out that this
squiggly line that equals a D. So then you go
(11:09):
through all the cipher and you find all the squiggly
lines and you go, that's a D. And then from
there you try to figure out the rest of it. Right,
that's it. Well, imagine if every time you got to one,
the whole thing changed. The whole thing changed. So Alan
Turing was the guy. He's kind of considered to be
(11:30):
the father of modern computers, because he had this notion,
rather than trying to get people who are good at
crosswords and ciphers in the paper, why don't we get
a machine that can figure out these codes, and it'll
be able to do it faster than we can now.
They didn't have the kind of machinery and chips that
we did, obviously, because they didn't have computers then, so
it was a very mechanical system. But he made it
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work and they were able to use this Enigma machine
to decipher the code, and that gave us an advantage
on the Germans. On the American side, we didn't have
any of this. We didn't worry about Germany's technological superiority
to decipher our codes because what we did is we
took a dead language. Well to the rest of the
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world anyway, the Navajo were still using it, which is
why it was known. We took a language that the
rest of the world didn't know. They had no idea,
they didn't know what these different sounds meant. They didn't
have any interpreters. They didn't have so they're trying to
decipher a language with no key. There was no well
this sound means this letter or this phrase could potentially
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mean this. They couldn't decipher it for squat And it
was all based on that ancient not ancient, but that
Navajo language which had been around for for hundreds of
years or more. So the Navajo stepped up. The Navajo
soldiers spoken this language. The Germans couldn't decipher it, and
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the way that we were then eventually able to decipher
their codes using our computing expertise, they couldn't do it.
So in many ways it was the code talkers who
gave us an advantage in the war, including iwo Jima,
six code talkers. Ewogima sent more than eight hundred messages
with zero errors. Part of the reason that we had
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the Navajo in the military was because there was an
emphasis on diversity in the military. They wanted diversity because
they knew there was strength and having people with different
backgrounds who could then bring different skills. And in the
case of the code talkers, they brought an entire language
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that nobody else could speak and it was the most
effective encryption that anyone had during World War two. And again,
as I mentioned, we said this happened in the past.
Choctaw World War One Comanche. Also in World War Two.
We've seen this happen before. So President Trump signs the
d E Executive Order. We're gonna get all diversity, We're
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gonna get all equality, we're gonna get all inclusion and
anything that promotes those things out of the military. And
so they said, we're gonna scrub all the websites of
any of this stuff. And what they do, they scrubbed
the website. At least ten articles that mentioned the code
talkers disappeared from the US Army and the Department of
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Defense websites. Well, as one might expect all Hell broke clues.
People were not very excited about the fact that we've
just decided to erase history because we're afraid it might
be too inclusionary. After Hell breaks loose, suddenly we go,
this isn't gonna be great. By the way, there are
also other DEI labels that are on the website to
(14:47):
go this has been removed in compliance with the executive order.
Those would include things like Civil War nurses, Black veterans,
and their units, including the Harlem Hell Fighters, the seven
hundred and sixty First Take Battalion, the five hundred and
fifty fifth Parachute Infantry also Latino airmen who coordinated mental
(15:08):
health support for military personnel. That story was deleted. The
Army removed pages about the fifty fourth Massachusetts Regiment, the
women Air Force Service pilots all removed. It's not going
over very well because we go wait a minute, Wait
a minute, wait a minute. Are you telling me that
this country's been woke and that much of our history
(15:29):
is based on wokeness? I guess that's what a melting
pot is all about.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
On certain topics, including Navajo Code Talkers, there's a banner
on the DoD's website saying content has been revised or
removed to align with the President's executive order that has
to do with diversity, equity, and inclusion. I just said that,
I've been looking at archived websites from earlier this month.
An error now shows up. A DoD spokesperson told ABC
fifteen they will restore the content with the Navajo Code
(15:55):
Talkers saying had been removed. Quote during the auto removal process.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Anybody who's gonna throw a fit about this, But now
that they have, we're going to get it right.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
President Trump previously hosted co Talkers in the White House
commending them.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Nava, that's true. In fact, I had that audio and
since deleted it because I'm terrible at saving audio. He
did have them at the White House and he commended them,
and he was very thankful, and then he pointed out
that Elizabeth Warren is Pocahontas Navajo Nation.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
President emphasized they should not be limped into DEI initiatives.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
We have a different, unique relationship with the federal government.
It's say sovereign to sovereign relationship. It's not based upon race,
and it's more of a political relationship.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
It's currently unclear when the content will be fully restored.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
You can look at this and say, these are just,
you know, small incidents that are happening, but when you
add them up, and as a historian, you know, especially
of World War two, saying this, it's downright scary.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
I'm Melanie daw ABC fifteen, Arizona.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
What so we don't learn our history? What could possibly
go wrong? Chris Maryland for Bill Handlelon, I am six
forty eight more stimulating talk. I don't have any idea.
Nobody invites me. They're like, hey, you want to invite Meryl. No,
who's going to do the show. If we bring Merrill along,
that will suck. So who do we bring? I don't know.
You guys want to bring in doctor Jim Keeney. Sure,
(17:14):
he's on the show all the time. He'll be a
lot of fun to come along. Chief Medical Officer for
Dignity Saint Mary Medical Center, Long Beach joins us NOW
Medical News with doctor Keeney and doctor Kenny. I appreciate
your dedication to the program and being a part of
a part of the Bill Handle Show, even though Bill
will not be a part of the Bill Handle Show today.
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (17:29):
Doctor Keeney, of course.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Unbelievable. So you are avoiding the United States right now,
and I think that makes perfect sense, especially because we've
decided to give measles a try.
Speaker 7 (17:42):
Yeah yeah, So measles outbreak is still going on. I mean,
I know we've talked about it before, but I think
it's just this ongoing event at this point and probably
will be for the next year, to be honest, because
our vaccination rates, especially in Texas, have dropped so low
that we can expect, you know, outbreaks at this point.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Why why are we all of a sudden vaccine skeptical.
I have a little bit of understanding when it comes
to COVID because it was new, it's the mRNA vaccine,
a different delivery, And I understand that there's some skepticism
to new things, and I know that we'd like to
challenge authority all that kind of stuff. But when it
comes to the MMR, the measles mumpsterbella vaccine for Pete's sake,
(18:21):
that's been around forever, why are we Why are we
hesitant about something that is shown it's.
Speaker 7 (18:27):
Fine, Yeah, I mean it's a it's a combination of things.
There are people who are vaccine hesitant because overall because
of vaccines, You're right, that's I think that might be
the minority at this point. So a lot of people
that are just government hesitant, and they don't want to
be told what to do, and they don't want to
obey the government, and so even if the government's right,
(18:48):
they're going to say, you can't tell me what to do. So,
I mean that's there's a big group of people I
run into, at least at this point, that are more like,
I want, I'm it for individual rights, individuality, individual choice,
and I choose not to get my kids vaccinated. And
when you look at these cases. The people that are
getting measles aren't the ones making the choice. It's their parents.
(19:09):
They're making the choice. And seventy eight percent of the
cases or kids who didn't get to choose.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah, doesn't it seem strange to you that we would
choose self harm in order to take a stand for
individual choice? For instance, I believe in individual choice too.
In many cases, there is at no point do I
say I'm going to tear out my fingernails just because
the government doesn't want me to. Why do we say,
let's make sure our kids get these diseases that have
(19:36):
been otherwise eradicated for individual choice? Isn't this I mean,
this feels like it's a real cognitive dissonance going on
within one's own mind. There has to be a psychological
component to this.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
There is, and I think, you know, overall, just people
are trying to deal with it. I know, and honestly,
as you talk to each individual person as you do
when you're a doctor, they you know, they really are
trying to do the best They're they're trying to make
the best of their understanding of the world, and they're
coming to this conclusion you're wishing there was a way.
You know, how do I not sound like I'm sold
(20:12):
out to pharmaceutical companies because I don't get a dime
if you get vaccinated or not. You know, how do
I sound like you know that I can be a
legitimate source when you know, because I know when I
was started this in med school, there was we had
Jenny McCarthy, who you know, went from being a we'll
call her a reality star show to you know, on
(20:32):
the view, to all of a sudden an authority on
you know, vaccines and autism. And I realized, wow, I
don't have that level, you know, sitting at a patient's bedsite,
I don't have that level of influence. I really can't
combat that. So I mean, there's just people who choose
they're they're easily kind of taken in by you know,
almost call them medical myths, and they kind of if
(20:53):
it aligns with their with their own thinking already, and
we tend to believe things that align with our own thinking.
And I think that's what's happening is you suspect the government,
you find out that there's something about vaccines that they're
not telling you, and then it aligns with your thinking.
You say no way, I'm not doing it.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Where is the Where did this go wrong? I love
what you said, doctor Jim Kinney, the chief medical officer
for Dignity Saint Mary Medical Center in Long Beach, as
our medical News that doctor Kenney continues, I love what
you said about as you talk to individuals, you learned
that they really are trying to do the best for themselves.
At some point, their parents must not have taught them
that the best thing they can do for themselves is
(21:32):
listen to doctors. So is this a condition of Centerfolds
having more influence than the doctor that we suddenly the
girl who's in the magazine under my mattress, I believe
her more than I believe the guy wearing the lab coat.
And ten years of schooling and twenty years of experience.
(21:54):
At some point we decided that the credibility of those
doctors was not in our best interest. So how do
we reconcile. I'm going to do what's best for myself,
but I'm also going to ignore the experts.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
Right now, it's you're absolutely right, but the you know,
and I'm going to take I'm going to take responsibility
for that. You know, doctors have kind of made their beds. Right.
Used to be people that you could sit and talk
to and have a relationship with and you really trusted
and understood. And now it's these fifteen minutes appointment where
you maybe get five minutes max of FaceTime, And how
do you build a relationship, how do you build trust
(22:29):
in that much time? You know, the American health system's
somewhat broken and doctors are not establishing that relationship or trust.
And now that's that's really unfair to put across every
doctor because I mean, my doctor sits there and talks
to me, and I know he does that not just
with me, but with his other patients. So there's people
out there that actually do that. But overall, as a specialty,
(22:51):
we are you know, we have not engendered the trust
that we really need to. And you know, and now
that we drop so in the past, if if you
only had little pockets, right, and you have what we
everybody knows now is herd immunity, right, if if you
don't find it in the herd, then the people that
are sensitive to it won't be impacted. And that's what
we've been seeing for years. Well, now we've dropped below
(23:13):
that herd immunity and now those small pockets are no
longer protected. They are going to be and really this
if you have you know, this is what I'm concerned about,
is people are worried about measles and they're coming to
be concerned that they're going to get it. If you've
been vaccinated, if you were born before nineteen fifty seven,
you had measles, you know you are You're fine, you
know you're not probably not going to get If you
(23:33):
really want to know, you can get a measles tighter.
It will prove whether you're immune or not. This is
really going to be a disease to be unvaccinated. So
if you're unvaccinated, you have concerns, and if you're not,
If you are vaccinated, you're going to be fine.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
It's really changed. You used to be able to sit
down and have a conversation with doctors. Now doctors you've
got fifteen minutes appointment. Fifteen minute appointments. You get about
five minutes FaceTime with the doctors. Is this because we
have a shortage of providers or is this is this
a health insurance thing? Is this about quotas and tracking results?
What's what's the cause the root cause of that.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
Yeah, that's that's a great question. But the problem is,
there's no sound bite answer to this one. It is
it's a it's a breakdown across the board, right that
we do have a significant shortage of physicians. So I
mean you refer to somebody even in my area where
you know, we have plenty, we have a lot of physicians,
but we're still a shortage of neurosurgeons and often neurologists
(24:28):
where it may take three months to get into see one.
You know, there's there's shortages of all types of specialties.
So you know, there's definitely the shortage issue, and so
doctors are trying to get in as many patients as
they can. You're in a generation where doctors sell. You know,
it's one of the few areas where salaries have gone
down is medicine. That's why you see kind of this
(24:48):
brain drain of you know, it used to be the
smart kids went to medical school. Now it seems like
the smart kids going to finance or computer science or AI. Right,
So the the incomes have gone down rather than going
up over the years, and I think Dodgers have tried
to mitigate that by working harder and seeing more patients.
That it plays into it in a lot of ways.
(25:09):
I can I can maybe equalize out my income. I
can also serve the population who's saying, look, we don't
have enough doctors and I need to see more people. So,
you know, and then we have all the managed care
is you know, the term for an HMO, for example,
is managed care, and you get a per member, per
month fee. Right, So the theory is if I keep
(25:31):
all my patients healthy, then they get to just keep
that money. They don't have to spend a lot of
money in medical fees, and so you're kind of at risk.
But so what people do is they take on quite
a few patients because you know, if you're going to
get ten dollars per member per month and you need
to make you know, you know, twenty thousand dollars a month,
then you're going to take on two thousand patients. And
(25:52):
at the end of the month, you know, you may
have had to see a good portion of those, maybe
ten percent of those, or maybe they don't have to
see any of them. But really people are getting you know,
we have more interventions in healthcare now, there's more things
to check, there's more things we can treat and so
it's really the visits are going up and the population
is aging. You know that people over sixty five see
(26:12):
the doctor five times as much as someone under sixty five,
so suddenly we need more visits as well. There's just
so many factors that we've kind of lost control. Doctors
are now kind of hourly employees for the most part,
and it's hard to really, you know, control your workflow
in a lot of settings. Some settings you can, and
(26:34):
they're choosing to work the extra hours. Other settings, it's
just hard to control it.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I could I literally talk to this topic for two
or three hours, but nobody would want to listen to it.
So doctor Kittie, let me move on real quick. I
want to get to this. Working mornings sucks. I've done
it before. They asked what I do it for Bill,
I said no. They said we will give you doctor
pay for it. I said, that's great, I'll do it.
Then they told me doctor pay was ten dollars, which
I thought was crap. Right, I didn't realize until talking
(26:59):
to you that I get a doctor pay. So what's
the I've got a sleep tracker on my on my
Apple Watch, and it tells me i'bout enough sleep, especially
this week, right, right is there? I mean I thought
I find that very useful because I'm somebody that subscribes
the whole. I got to get eight hours and I
try to go to bed with the with the sun
down and get up when the sun comes up and
(27:20):
not set an alarm clock. Am I doing stuff wrong?
Speaker 7 (27:23):
Yeah? I mean so a lot packed in there, right.
Sleep trackers, they are estimating sleep based on things like
your pulse and your pulse oxygen level, and movement. That's
not what sleep labs do and they never have. Sleep
labs are approximating sleepy goo by ataching electrodes to your
head and looking at actual brain waves. So your sleep
(27:44):
tracker is telling you you're in rem sleep, but it
actually has no idea because it's not packing your brain waves.
And even when we talk about rem sleep and deep sleep,
what estimating with the brain waves is the neurochemical process
in the brain that we can't measure. So your three
spaces removed from measuring the correct thing when you're just
using a tracker. So there is there is a there's
(28:06):
a condition now where people get so anxious over the
fact that their sleep tracker is telling them they're not
getting enough sleep that they actually have anxiety over it.
They go to a sleep study and they realize, no,
you're actually getting all the sleep you need, and they're
just they don't accept it because they really are bought
into these trackers. So they're interesting. They're good because what
you can do is modify certain things, right like, you know,
(28:28):
eat a late meal and go to bed and see
what that does to your sleep tracker. That that kind
of change, you can tell you, well, I'm getting better
sleep or less, you know, not as good sleep. You
can try, you know, drink having a nightcap before you
go to bed. People think it helps them sleep, it
actually hurts their sleep for the most part. Same thing
with like marijuana gunnies. People swear by those to sleep,
but they disrupt your rem sleep and your deep sleep cycles.
(28:51):
So you know, that's kind of what's going on with
those sleep trackers. They're they're fun, but they also they
have their downside as well. And there's even people that
going to the doctor and getting mends that they don't
need to help them with a sleep problem that they
don't have. So you know, I think there is some
danger there. But if you have a sleep problem and
you want to see a sleep specialist. They can do
(29:12):
a sleep study and a sleep lab connected to the
electra and then you'll really know the right answer.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Which is why I offset my nightcap with the gummy
because I figured that I just just mix them and
everything works out. Doctor Jim Keeney, chief medical Officer for
Dignity Saint Mary Medical Center, Long Beach, It's Medical News
with doctor Kenny.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Thanks so much, Doctor Kenny. Enjoy the rest of your trip,
my friend. Thank you so much for carving.
Speaker 7 (29:33):
Thank you for us.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Thanks Bell, appreciate absolutely.
Speaker 7 (29:36):
You've been listening to the Bill Handle Show.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
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Speaker 7 (29:40):
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