July 14, 2026 • 25 mins
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ABC News tech reporter joins the show for ‘Tech Tuesday.’ Today, Rich talks about Apple saying OpenAI ‘is rotten to it’s core,’ and META pulling a controversial feature. The Pentagon has released a new trove of UFO files. The superrich aren’t just buying mansions… they want the entire block. ‘It Looks Like War’: How a $38 Armenian brisket sandwich ignited debate over culture and cost.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to kf I AM six forty. The bill
handles show on demand on the iheartradiop.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Fine handle here.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
It is a Tuesday morning, July fourteenth. The straight of
Hormuz is closed once again and the war is heating up.
It says if we never had any kind of a
cease fire. Now it's Tech Tuesday. Mike Debuski in today
(00:31):
ABC News Technology reporter. Mike, First of all, thanks for
joining us, and a big statement from Apple saying that
open ai, and this is an interesting quote, is rotten
to its core. Oh, explain that one please.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
So, Apple is suing open Ai in federal court. They
filed this lawsuit last Friday alleging that open ai stole
trade secrets. Now, this focus is specific on two former
Apple employees who left that company and joined OpenAI, one
of whom did so this year, and Apple alleges that
(01:09):
these guys surreptitiously accessed hardware related files, including detailed information
about unreleased products. Specifically, we're talking about a guy named
Chang Lu, a former senior system electrical engineer at Apple,
and Tang Tan, a former Apple vice president who is
now open AI's chief hardware officer. The important part of
(01:31):
this story is that while we know Apple to be
the purveyor of things like the iPhone and the iPod,
open Ai, in contrast, is a software company, right they
don't deal in hardware. Well, that is set to change
before the end of the year. They're working on a
lineup of hardware products. They just acquired a hardware company
last year called Io founded by Johnny I've the guy
(01:52):
who designed the iPhone, and they seem to be ready
ing this lineup of gadgets that are designed to get
you to interact with AI in some way. So this
is all sort of germinating out there. Open Ai hiring
a lot of open of Apple talent in order to
get that project off the ground, And now it seems
like those guys weren't just bringing sort of intellectual know how,
they were bringing actual trade secrets. According to this lawsuit,
(02:15):
these guys exploited a loophole in Apple's internal security systems,
specifically known as a zero day vulnerability. At one point,
Liu wrote, lol, I found out I can access the
network storage. So funny, to which an open ai employee responded,
I'm ready. They also asked job candidates who were still
employed at Apple at the time, to bring over hardware
(02:38):
componentry from Apple to the job interview in an effort
to solicit more information about how Apple builds things. This all, ultimately,
Apple says, boils down to illegal activity. They say they're
big claim. Really is that open AI's nascent hardware business
now rests on the shakiest of foundations, rotten to its
core by its illegal reliance on appropriated trade secrets.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Now you can bet that every single employee both Apple
and open ai have signed an NDA, a non disclosure agreement. Also,
the law says you cannot steal propriety proprietary information from
your employer and go someplace else, either stealing it or
(03:26):
letting the information go ahead and go to someone other
than an employer. If it turns out based on what
you say, it looks like evidence is there. I don't
know if there's any defense. I don't know how much
of this is true. You're talking about a hundreds of
(03:46):
millions of dollars in either settlement or a judgment, maybe billions.
I mean, this is big, big news.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
It's really serious. Yeah, it's a huge problem for open Ai,
which is no ser to controversy, right, like earlier this
year they were sued by Elon Musk, the richest man
in the world. Now, ultimately they won that lawsuit, but
you know this, these allegations of sort of inappropriate behavior
continue to dog this company, which is really at the
center of the artificial intelligence race. They have made themselves
(04:18):
a very powerful enemy in Apple, which again is responsible
for some of the most iconic tech products ever made,
the iPod, the iPhone, and so on and so forth.
If I'm a startup and I want to start making
hardware products, it makes sense that I would want to
go to like former Apple employees. They're the best in
the biz. I want to get them on my team.
But now it seems like they're they've gone further than that, right,
(04:40):
they're actually stealing this sort of like technical information on
apparently unreleased products, at least according to this lawsuit. That's
a very serious allegation. And in contrast to Elon Musk,
Apple is not a company that files spurious lawsuits just
left and right. This is a company that is five
trillion dollars on some days. They take this very seriously,
(05:03):
and that means that this is a pretty existential threat
for open AI. Now they say, for their part, that
they have no interest in other companies trade secrets. They
say they remain focused on building innovative technology and that
this has not derailed their plans to release these forthcoming
hardware products. We think sometime in the fall, before the
(05:23):
end of the year, and then they'll go on sale
in early twenty twenty seven. Even still, you can imagine
as those events are taking place, this lawsuit is going
to loom large, and it's expected to, as you said,
probably be a multimillion dollar lawsuit, if not multi billion
dollar lawsuit, and something that's going to take a long
time to litigate. So we're going to be talking about
(05:43):
this for a while now.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Open ai is also one of the major platforms that
is arguing for guardrails and some kind of safety using AI.
It's kind of interesting that they're going down that path
and this path, assuming this pans out.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Oh, the fights that are going to happen now.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Not only yeah, it's going to be great, You're going
to be dealing with this for a long time, my friend.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Yeah, yes, I feel that the sort of advocate for
you know, AI safety in this whole debate has been
an interesting one to track because you know, at the
sort of genesis of chat ept, which is sort of
their main flagship product, they were often you know, in
front of lawmakers, you know, publicly saying that like this
(06:31):
technology can be very powerful and needs guardrails, right, they
were asking lawmakers to regulate their industry. However, in recent years,
specifically at open AI, we've seen them sort of shy
away from that extra you know, need for regulation. They
say that actually, what is happening here is that we're
in a race with China and with other sort of
adversarial figures out there around the world who are developing
(06:53):
artificial intelligence, and we don't want to be left behind.
We don't want you know, United States technology to to
fall behind than that. But of course there's a lot
of controversy around that too. Right, even if we were
to take Sam Altman at his word, the CEO of
open AI, that you know, he wants to see regulation
in his industry and so on and so forth. You know,
it seems like the next step there would that would
(07:13):
be that he wants to be part of the conversation.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
No kid would regulate it, right.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
So, like that's that's another key component here, Just Mike,
you know, a grain of salt that goes along with
all right.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Mike, so much, thank you, we'll talk again, Mike, ABC
News Technology reporter out of New York. All right, now,
as you know, the President promised to release UFO files
and he has kept his word, and the Pentagon now
released forty new UFO files, including videos near a nuclear
(07:45):
weapons site, and this was done by the Department of Defense.
Have declassified the President d classified files related to UFOs
fourteen documents, nineteen videos for audio recordings, three images compiled
by NASA, the Pentagon, CIA, the FBI, Department of Energy.
(08:06):
And as I said to you just prior to our
break that be prepared to learn a foreign language. It
will be mandatory. And what language will you be forced
to learn? Venusian? And why is that? Because we have
aliens amongst us?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Please?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Now, is there something weird going on with this UFOs. Yeah,
by that, there have been sightings by people who have
a great deal of credibility. And we're talking about fighter pilots,
airline pilots. We're not talking about flaky people. And so
they're looking at these unidentified flying objects zipping around doing
(08:52):
things that nothing that we've been able to create on
Earth can do up in the sky. And there was
one Department of Energy report that came out in twenty
fifteen that has been declassified. A UFO entered the airspace
above a nuclear weapons plant near Amarillo, Texas. It was
(09:13):
immediately closed down. Two security officers pursued the options as
object was on the ground, could couldn't catch up with it,
made no sound, no propulsion system. Using binoculars to see it,
hovered for one or two minutes really close to the ground,
and zip up it went. And we've got a bunch
(09:36):
of sightings, I mean in the dozens. Some were investigator
de termined. The object was rectangular in shape. Others looked
like a five pointed star, which stranged enough, looked like
the Star of David. Clearly aliens were going to a
bar mitzvah. Multiple infrared videos captured by the military unidentified
(10:03):
aerial objects over the Western Pacific, the Atlantic Ocean, the
Middle East, and of course nineteen forty nine Los Alamos
Area fifty one, and there was a meeting several leading
scientists who had participated in the Manhattan Project. They kept
on seeing mysterious green fireballs over nuclear research facilities. Unable
(10:27):
to determine their origin. Now, some people suggested that these
objects might be meteors. A prominent astronomer argue that now
they're not meteors because they don't look or act like meteors. Now,
the Pentagon emphasize this is not the final release. So
(10:50):
here's my question, always has been a question, and that
is I don't know what UFOs are. I mean, there
are too many explanations out there that are weird. I
have my doubts because let me ask you, if aliens
are zipping above the earth, flying around, why are they
not landing in Washington, d C on them all?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Why have we never seen them? Why don't they talk
to us? Why don't they say, take me to your leader?
And of course the understanding is it's a leader of milk,
but it's not take Why is it that we've never
ever seen one that we can video, that we can
(11:39):
theoretically talk to And there's no answer. I've heard some
really stupid answers that here they are the technology to
go across galaxies and somehow they're frightened to talk to us.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Where do you go with that?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Where do you go with that?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Now we know that there are a few farmers in
Kansas who have been sucked up into star into starships,
into these flying objects, and I've had the Martian anal
probe performed on them because for some reason, they're sitting
there and that big screwing device goes into their rear
(12:25):
end and they come down.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Oh my god, it really hurts. And I don't know
what happened.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
And all I know is I was, you know, sucked
up into this spaceship and then I didn't know, and
next thing I knew, I was gonna back into that
bundle of hay and oh my god, my.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Rear end is sore. Okay, thank you?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
All right. That's the actual encounters that we have seen
with aliens, oh man, And most people agree that there
are aliens out there, which I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Neil, you think they are aliens?
Speaker 5 (13:03):
I don't personally know, Okay.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Cono aliens, Oh yeah, of course, Amy aliens Okay, and
aliens no, Kno, are you legal or do you believe
in aliens?
Speaker 6 (13:19):
Is that a Mexican joker?
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Because yes, I'm legal, Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
It could also how like self centered like main character
syndrome that we're just in this one part of the
galaxy and that we're the only thing.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Ever, no, I agree.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
No statistically, no, no, no, Statistically, I have no problem
with arguing there is life on other planets.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Now, statistically we shouldn't even be here.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah, well, yeah, that's true when you think about it,
the creation of life. But no, you're right, I believe
that statistically, if you look at the universe, there's probably life.
The next question is the next question is do they
have the technology to come here in zip through galaxies
and never even talk to us.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
That was your question. You said, do you believe in aliens? Yes,
so you also believe in aliens.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I do not. I believe that.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Well, I guess to some extent, I believe in aliens,
just not the aliens that come and visit us. Yes,
I think at some point I believe there are life
forms and either their bacteria where the single celled animals,
or they are brilliant, intelligent, highly developed large cockroaches. And
I don't know the answer.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
If you look back in the forties when this started
becoming more and more of a thing, the understanding of
what the basic building blocks of life were much simpler
than what we know now, and the fact that they'd
have to be so intelligent and we more intelligent than
we are, based on the fact that there's no way
you could get here. If they do exist, they've never ever,
(14:57):
ever had contact with us. Okay, and that's fair too.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
One of the things I look at I read the
New York Times fairly religiously, and I look at the
real estate section, and one of the things that I
have seen over the last few years is something called
land maxing, where you have deep pocket buyers, I mean
deep pockets are snapping up properties, not just the multi
(15:26):
zillion dollar properties on the beach, for example, but the
property next to the house, and then on the other side,
next to the house, and all of a sudden, there
you have two, three, four houses, and each house is
going for I don't know, twenty million dollars, twenty five
million dollars. And it used to be I remember when
(15:47):
Bill Gates built his house in Seattle, and I think
you spent over one hundred million dollars building this massive
compound with a bunch of houses on it. And it
was over one hundred million dollars, I said, and people
went crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
One hundred million dollars.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Today doesn't buy you much in the world of insane richiosity.
If you look at the real estate section, which covers
all of the country in certain aspects, the multi million
the hunt I'm not multi million, I mean in the
hundreds of millions of dollars is not unusual, and that
(16:24):
is fairly new. And we're talking about forty thousand square
feed home twenty thousand square feed homes, of course, with
guest cottages and two swimming pools and theaters and saunas
and gift wrapping rooms. I've always wondered about that. What
(16:46):
do you do with a gift wrapping room?
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I know what you do. You wrap gifts and you
need a separate room. And there are salons, beauty salons
in the room with the chair and the sink where
you wash your hair. And this is just fascinating how
this happens. I'm looking at these properties and they are
(17:12):
in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Buyers are willing
to pay a premium for these adjacent lots, particularly when
land is scarce. And Margaret Marguerite Brandt of Premier State Properties,
who lists a lot of these, there was a land
sale in Malipon Manolopon in Florida that went for one
(17:33):
hundred and five million dollars.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
How about that one?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
The Oh, I mean, it's just as I'm looking at this,
you talk about consumption. It's just it's crazy what's going on.
And what ends up happening is these people. They're buying
these zillion dollar houses and they're good investments.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
That's what I don't understand.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
You spend one hundred and fifty million dollars for two
three four houses along the waterfront or some island in
Florida where the other zillionaires live, and you've got an
appreciating property. So for those of you that listen who
do have many hundreds of millions of dollars to buy
(18:19):
a property. Oh, when Bill Gates brought his property, bought
his property, I thought he was buying half of Washington.
Today it buys you two hundred feet of frontage on
the beach one hundred million dollars. All right, Now, there
(18:40):
is a thirty eight dollars sandwich that is sold at
this at a restaurant called Your Rowed Mess. It's a
Armenian restaurant and it goes for thirty eight dollars. And
if you on social media, it's not worth it. At all,
(19:05):
And then there are other people that say it is
worth it. It's a half a pound of Wagu briskets
smothered in pickles and more nay sauce made in a
freshly were put in a freshly made pizza bread. And
it is a flashpoint for two reasons. Number one just
(19:26):
the price of a thirty eight dollars sandwich. And the
other issue is Armenian food and any ethnic food that
we're regarded as cheap food.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
You would go to. How many expensive Chinese restaurants do
you go to? You don't.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
How many expensive Armenian restaurants or Greek restaurants you don't.
There are some very high end Italian restaurants, but when
you talk about ethnic food, you don't think of high
end gourmet food. You think of good food. I mean,
I love Armenian food, I love Greek food. I just
like food. Neil is also a food lover. We've never
(20:07):
been to our Armenian restaurant. So the two issues are
the price of a sandwich. Now here is the defence.
This sandwich is really two sandwiches.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
It's so big.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
So now you're talking nineteen bucks per sandwich, which actually
is not unusual in the world of sandwiches, high end sandwiches.
You go to a deli, you can spend twenty four
dollars for a sandwich. You go to New York, You're
got to spend twenty eight dollars. You go to Eddie,
you go to Langers, you're going to spend what north
(20:40):
of twenty dollars for a sandwich. I haven't been to
Brents in a while in order to sandwich, but I
think Brents is close to twenty bucks. So the cost
of these sandwiches a lot of meat, a lot of
beef in there, very high end. But I mean at
some point you just walk out the door and say
(21:01):
no thanks, I'm going to spend that much money. Neil,
You look at this and is there a is there
critical mass anywhere where you simply say no and and
the restaurants are going to serve them anymore.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
Well, you know, anytime someone makes a sandwich and refers
to the cheese sauce as mornaise sauce, you know they're
going to be charging you for it, because that's basically
what mornaise sauce is. It's the same stuff you'd put
in mac and cheese, but it's it all depends on
that quality of the meat and everything like that. Do
I want to be paying thirty eight dollars for a sandwich?
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Probably not.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
But have I had thirty eight dollars sandwiches that I
would gladly pay thirty eight? Absolutely, I've had some great
sandwiches that I've said this is it's masterfully dot It's
just everything can.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Okay, who makes Where would you go? I can see,
for example, a lobster roll with huge chunks of lobster
in there, which you know go for a lot of money.
But where did you go or where would you pay
thirty eight dollars gladly for a sandwich?
Speaker 7 (22:10):
Standby, I'm trying to figure out the name of the place,
but it's not it's a Philly cheese steak sandwich. But
it's not. It's not at a Philly cheese place. It's
at a beautiful steak restaurant in Beverly Hills, Mattu Okay,
(22:31):
so they have they have a sandwich there. I'm looking
to see what the price is, but they have not
their main menus gorgeous. But at the bar you can
get them at two Philly cheese steak, which is sort
of controversial to people go back and forth, but it's
eight ounces of one hundred percent grass fed ribbi and
(22:54):
sirloin Wagoo beef.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Okay, Cooper sharp grilled onion.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Wago wago beef is really expensive.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
And that's probably one of the best sandwiches to me
in Los Angeles, and that there are many like that
that are worthy.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
But that's okay.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I have a book.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Frankly, I have a problem with a sandwich that costs
thirty eight bucks.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I just do.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
But a lot of people don't because they are very
popular out there. And you've got this is a this
is an interesting place because it was or it is
run by an Armenian. The chef owner Arthur Gregorian, who
(23:39):
well he created the sandwich. And I'll tell you the
viral boss forma brisket sandwich has gone absolutely crazy. All right,
We're done, guys. That's it. So much for a thirty
eight dollars sandwich.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
We'll go hats on it next time, you know, we'll
go No, no, we won't, We'll go words. We'll bring kono.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Well, it's a cost.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Down has to pay for gas. It's true. Good point,
all right, we are done.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Tomorrow morning it's all over again with Will Coleschreiber and
Amy King. Well, do you know you are such a
goyas goyam name?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
You know that Amy a name? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah? White?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Isn't that where you're white?
Speaker 3 (24:27):
I know, mayonnaise sandwiches and let us and white bread.
I get it that icy that's her thirty eight dollars sandwiches.
I get that all right. And then from six to
nine it's the Nielstir and me, and then of course
Cono who was spending all of his money on gasoline,
and and all of us back tomorrow and coming up
(24:50):
it's Gary and Shannon.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
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It is a Tuesday morning, July fourteenth. The straight of
Hormuz is closed once again and the war is heating up.
It says if we never had any kind of a
cease fire. Now it's Tech Tuesday. Mike Debuski in today
(00:31):
ABC News Technology reporter. Mike, First of all, thanks for
joining us, and a big statement from Apple saying that
open ai, and this is an interesting quote, is rotten
to its core. Oh, explain that one please.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
So, Apple is suing open Ai in federal court. They
filed this lawsuit last Friday alleging that open ai stole
trade secrets. Now, this focus is specific on two former
Apple employees who left that company and joined OpenAI, one
of whom did so this year, and Apple alleges that
(01:09):
these guys surreptitiously accessed hardware related files, including detailed information
about unreleased products. Specifically, we're talking about a guy named
Chang Lu, a former senior system electrical engineer at Apple,
and Tang Tan, a former Apple vice president who is
now open AI's chief hardware officer. The important part of
(01:31):
this story is that while we know Apple to be
the purveyor of things like the iPhone and the iPod,
open Ai, in contrast, is a software company, right they
don't deal in hardware. Well, that is set to change
before the end of the year. They're working on a
lineup of hardware products. They just acquired a hardware company
last year called Io founded by Johnny I've the guy
(01:52):
who designed the iPhone, and they seem to be ready
ing this lineup of gadgets that are designed to get
you to interact with AI in some way. So this
is all sort of germinating out there. Open Ai hiring
a lot of open of Apple talent in order to
get that project off the ground, And now it seems
like those guys weren't just bringing sort of intellectual know how,
they were bringing actual trade secrets. According to this lawsuit,
(02:15):
these guys exploited a loophole in Apple's internal security systems,
specifically known as a zero day vulnerability. At one point,
Liu wrote, lol, I found out I can access the
network storage. So funny, to which an open ai employee responded,
I'm ready. They also asked job candidates who were still
employed at Apple at the time, to bring over hardware
(02:38):
componentry from Apple to the job interview in an effort
to solicit more information about how Apple builds things. This all, ultimately,
Apple says, boils down to illegal activity. They say they're
big claim. Really is that open AI's nascent hardware business
now rests on the shakiest of foundations, rotten to its
core by its illegal reliance on appropriated trade secrets.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Now you can bet that every single employee both Apple
and open ai have signed an NDA, a non disclosure agreement. Also,
the law says you cannot steal propriety proprietary information from
your employer and go someplace else, either stealing it or
(03:26):
letting the information go ahead and go to someone other
than an employer. If it turns out based on what
you say, it looks like evidence is there. I don't
know if there's any defense. I don't know how much
of this is true. You're talking about a hundreds of
(03:46):
millions of dollars in either settlement or a judgment, maybe billions.
I mean, this is big, big news.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
It's really serious. Yeah, it's a huge problem for open Ai,
which is no ser to controversy, right, like earlier this
year they were sued by Elon Musk, the richest man
in the world. Now, ultimately they won that lawsuit, but
you know this, these allegations of sort of inappropriate behavior
continue to dog this company, which is really at the
center of the artificial intelligence race. They have made themselves
(04:18):
a very powerful enemy in Apple, which again is responsible
for some of the most iconic tech products ever made,
the iPod, the iPhone, and so on and so forth.
If I'm a startup and I want to start making
hardware products, it makes sense that I would want to
go to like former Apple employees. They're the best in
the biz. I want to get them on my team.
But now it seems like they're they've gone further than that, right,
(04:40):
they're actually stealing this sort of like technical information on
apparently unreleased products, at least according to this lawsuit. That's
a very serious allegation. And in contrast to Elon Musk,
Apple is not a company that files spurious lawsuits just
left and right. This is a company that is five
trillion dollars on some days. They take this very seriously,
(05:03):
and that means that this is a pretty existential threat
for open AI. Now they say, for their part, that
they have no interest in other companies trade secrets. They
say they remain focused on building innovative technology and that
this has not derailed their plans to release these forthcoming
hardware products. We think sometime in the fall, before the
(05:23):
end of the year, and then they'll go on sale
in early twenty twenty seven. Even still, you can imagine
as those events are taking place, this lawsuit is going
to loom large, and it's expected to, as you said,
probably be a multimillion dollar lawsuit, if not multi billion
dollar lawsuit, and something that's going to take a long
time to litigate. So we're going to be talking about
(05:43):
this for a while now.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Open ai is also one of the major platforms that
is arguing for guardrails and some kind of safety using AI.
It's kind of interesting that they're going down that path
and this path, assuming this pans out.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Oh, the fights that are going to happen now.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Not only yeah, it's going to be great, You're going
to be dealing with this for a long time, my friend.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Yeah, yes, I feel that the sort of advocate for
you know, AI safety in this whole debate has been
an interesting one to track because you know, at the
sort of genesis of chat ept, which is sort of
their main flagship product, they were often you know, in
front of lawmakers, you know, publicly saying that like this
(06:31):
technology can be very powerful and needs guardrails, right, they
were asking lawmakers to regulate their industry. However, in recent years,
specifically at open AI, we've seen them sort of shy
away from that extra you know, need for regulation. They
say that actually, what is happening here is that we're
in a race with China and with other sort of
adversarial figures out there around the world who are developing
(06:53):
artificial intelligence, and we don't want to be left behind.
We don't want you know, United States technology to to
fall behind than that. But of course there's a lot
of controversy around that too. Right, even if we were
to take Sam Altman at his word, the CEO of
open AI, that you know, he wants to see regulation
in his industry and so on and so forth. You know,
it seems like the next step there would that would
(07:13):
be that he wants to be part of the conversation.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
No kid would regulate it, right.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
So, like that's that's another key component here, Just Mike,
you know, a grain of salt that goes along with
all right.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Mike, so much, thank you, we'll talk again, Mike, ABC
News Technology reporter out of New York. All right, now,
as you know, the President promised to release UFO files
and he has kept his word, and the Pentagon now
released forty new UFO files, including videos near a nuclear
(07:45):
weapons site, and this was done by the Department of Defense.
Have declassified the President d classified files related to UFOs
fourteen documents, nineteen videos for audio recordings, three images compiled
by NASA, the Pentagon, CIA, the FBI, Department of Energy.
(08:06):
And as I said to you just prior to our
break that be prepared to learn a foreign language. It
will be mandatory. And what language will you be forced
to learn? Venusian? And why is that? Because we have
aliens amongst us?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Please?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Now, is there something weird going on with this UFOs. Yeah,
by that, there have been sightings by people who have
a great deal of credibility. And we're talking about fighter pilots,
airline pilots. We're not talking about flaky people. And so
they're looking at these unidentified flying objects zipping around doing
(08:52):
things that nothing that we've been able to create on
Earth can do up in the sky. And there was
one Department of Energy report that came out in twenty
fifteen that has been declassified. A UFO entered the airspace
above a nuclear weapons plant near Amarillo, Texas. It was
(09:13):
immediately closed down. Two security officers pursued the options as
object was on the ground, could couldn't catch up with it,
made no sound, no propulsion system. Using binoculars to see it,
hovered for one or two minutes really close to the ground,
and zip up it went. And we've got a bunch
(09:36):
of sightings, I mean in the dozens. Some were investigator
de termined. The object was rectangular in shape. Others looked
like a five pointed star, which stranged enough, looked like
the Star of David. Clearly aliens were going to a
bar mitzvah. Multiple infrared videos captured by the military unidentified
(10:03):
aerial objects over the Western Pacific, the Atlantic Ocean, the
Middle East, and of course nineteen forty nine Los Alamos
Area fifty one, and there was a meeting several leading
scientists who had participated in the Manhattan Project. They kept
on seeing mysterious green fireballs over nuclear research facilities. Unable
(10:27):
to determine their origin. Now, some people suggested that these
objects might be meteors. A prominent astronomer argue that now
they're not meteors because they don't look or act like meteors. Now,
the Pentagon emphasize this is not the final release. So
(10:50):
here's my question, always has been a question, and that
is I don't know what UFOs are. I mean, there
are too many explanations out there that are weird. I
have my doubts because let me ask you, if aliens
are zipping above the earth, flying around, why are they
not landing in Washington, d C on them all?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Why have we never seen them? Why don't they talk
to us? Why don't they say, take me to your leader?
And of course the understanding is it's a leader of milk,
but it's not take Why is it that we've never
ever seen one that we can video, that we can
(11:39):
theoretically talk to And there's no answer. I've heard some
really stupid answers that here they are the technology to
go across galaxies and somehow they're frightened to talk to us.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Where do you go with that?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Where do you go with that?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Now we know that there are a few farmers in
Kansas who have been sucked up into star into starships,
into these flying objects, and I've had the Martian anal
probe performed on them because for some reason, they're sitting
there and that big screwing device goes into their rear
(12:25):
end and they come down.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Oh my god, it really hurts. And I don't know
what happened.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
And all I know is I was, you know, sucked
up into this spaceship and then I didn't know, and
next thing I knew, I was gonna back into that
bundle of hay and oh my god, my.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Rear end is sore. Okay, thank you?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
All right. That's the actual encounters that we have seen
with aliens, oh man, And most people agree that there
are aliens out there, which I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Neil, you think they are aliens?
Speaker 5 (13:03):
I don't personally know, Okay.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Cono aliens, Oh yeah, of course, Amy aliens Okay, and
aliens no, Kno, are you legal or do you believe
in aliens?
Speaker 6 (13:19):
Is that a Mexican joker?
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Because yes, I'm legal, Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
It could also how like self centered like main character
syndrome that we're just in this one part of the
galaxy and that we're the only thing.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Ever, no, I agree.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
No statistically, no, no, no, Statistically, I have no problem
with arguing there is life on other planets.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Now, statistically we shouldn't even be here.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah, well, yeah, that's true when you think about it,
the creation of life. But no, you're right, I believe
that statistically, if you look at the universe, there's probably life.
The next question is the next question is do they
have the technology to come here in zip through galaxies
and never even talk to us.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
That was your question. You said, do you believe in aliens? Yes,
so you also believe in aliens.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I do not. I believe that.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Well, I guess to some extent, I believe in aliens,
just not the aliens that come and visit us. Yes,
I think at some point I believe there are life
forms and either their bacteria where the single celled animals,
or they are brilliant, intelligent, highly developed large cockroaches. And
I don't know the answer.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
If you look back in the forties when this started
becoming more and more of a thing, the understanding of
what the basic building blocks of life were much simpler
than what we know now, and the fact that they'd
have to be so intelligent and we more intelligent than
we are, based on the fact that there's no way
you could get here. If they do exist, they've never ever,
(14:57):
ever had contact with us. Okay, and that's fair too.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
One of the things I look at I read the
New York Times fairly religiously, and I look at the
real estate section, and one of the things that I
have seen over the last few years is something called
land maxing, where you have deep pocket buyers, I mean
deep pockets are snapping up properties, not just the multi
(15:26):
zillion dollar properties on the beach, for example, but the
property next to the house, and then on the other side,
next to the house, and all of a sudden, there
you have two, three, four houses, and each house is
going for I don't know, twenty million dollars, twenty five
million dollars. And it used to be I remember when
(15:47):
Bill Gates built his house in Seattle, and I think
you spent over one hundred million dollars building this massive
compound with a bunch of houses on it. And it
was over one hundred million dollars, I said, and people
went crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
One hundred million dollars.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Today doesn't buy you much in the world of insane richiosity.
If you look at the real estate section, which covers
all of the country in certain aspects, the multi million
the hunt I'm not multi million, I mean in the
hundreds of millions of dollars is not unusual, and that
(16:24):
is fairly new. And we're talking about forty thousand square
feed home twenty thousand square feed homes, of course, with
guest cottages and two swimming pools and theaters and saunas
and gift wrapping rooms. I've always wondered about that. What
(16:46):
do you do with a gift wrapping room?
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I know what you do. You wrap gifts and you
need a separate room. And there are salons, beauty salons
in the room with the chair and the sink where
you wash your hair. And this is just fascinating how
this happens. I'm looking at these properties and they are
(17:12):
in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Buyers are willing
to pay a premium for these adjacent lots, particularly when
land is scarce. And Margaret Marguerite Brandt of Premier State Properties,
who lists a lot of these, there was a land
sale in Malipon Manolopon in Florida that went for one
(17:33):
hundred and five million dollars.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
How about that one?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
The Oh, I mean, it's just as I'm looking at this,
you talk about consumption. It's just it's crazy what's going on.
And what ends up happening is these people. They're buying
these zillion dollar houses and they're good investments.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
That's what I don't understand.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
You spend one hundred and fifty million dollars for two
three four houses along the waterfront or some island in
Florida where the other zillionaires live, and you've got an
appreciating property. So for those of you that listen who
do have many hundreds of millions of dollars to buy
(18:19):
a property. Oh, when Bill Gates brought his property, bought
his property, I thought he was buying half of Washington.
Today it buys you two hundred feet of frontage on
the beach one hundred million dollars. All right, Now, there
(18:40):
is a thirty eight dollars sandwich that is sold at
this at a restaurant called Your Rowed Mess. It's a
Armenian restaurant and it goes for thirty eight dollars. And
if you on social media, it's not worth it. At all,
(19:05):
And then there are other people that say it is
worth it. It's a half a pound of Wagu briskets
smothered in pickles and more nay sauce made in a
freshly were put in a freshly made pizza bread. And
it is a flashpoint for two reasons. Number one just
(19:26):
the price of a thirty eight dollars sandwich. And the
other issue is Armenian food and any ethnic food that
we're regarded as cheap food.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
You would go to. How many expensive Chinese restaurants do
you go to? You don't.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
How many expensive Armenian restaurants or Greek restaurants you don't.
There are some very high end Italian restaurants, but when
you talk about ethnic food, you don't think of high
end gourmet food. You think of good food. I mean,
I love Armenian food, I love Greek food. I just
like food. Neil is also a food lover. We've never
(20:07):
been to our Armenian restaurant. So the two issues are
the price of a sandwich. Now here is the defence.
This sandwich is really two sandwiches.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
It's so big.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
So now you're talking nineteen bucks per sandwich, which actually
is not unusual in the world of sandwiches, high end sandwiches.
You go to a deli, you can spend twenty four
dollars for a sandwich. You go to New York, You're
got to spend twenty eight dollars. You go to Eddie,
you go to Langers, you're going to spend what north
(20:40):
of twenty dollars for a sandwich. I haven't been to
Brents in a while in order to sandwich, but I
think Brents is close to twenty bucks. So the cost
of these sandwiches a lot of meat, a lot of
beef in there, very high end. But I mean at
some point you just walk out the door and say
(21:01):
no thanks, I'm going to spend that much money. Neil,
You look at this and is there a is there
critical mass anywhere where you simply say no and and
the restaurants are going to serve them anymore.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
Well, you know, anytime someone makes a sandwich and refers
to the cheese sauce as mornaise sauce, you know they're
going to be charging you for it, because that's basically
what mornaise sauce is. It's the same stuff you'd put
in mac and cheese, but it's it all depends on
that quality of the meat and everything like that. Do
I want to be paying thirty eight dollars for a sandwich?
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Probably not.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
But have I had thirty eight dollars sandwiches that I
would gladly pay thirty eight? Absolutely, I've had some great
sandwiches that I've said this is it's masterfully dot It's
just everything can.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Okay, who makes Where would you go? I can see,
for example, a lobster roll with huge chunks of lobster
in there, which you know go for a lot of money.
But where did you go or where would you pay
thirty eight dollars gladly for a sandwich?
Speaker 7 (22:10):
Standby, I'm trying to figure out the name of the place,
but it's not it's a Philly cheese steak sandwich. But
it's not. It's not at a Philly cheese place. It's
at a beautiful steak restaurant in Beverly Hills, Mattu Okay,
(22:31):
so they have they have a sandwich there. I'm looking
to see what the price is, but they have not
their main menus gorgeous. But at the bar you can
get them at two Philly cheese steak, which is sort
of controversial to people go back and forth, but it's
eight ounces of one hundred percent grass fed ribbi and
(22:54):
sirloin Wagoo beef.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Okay, Cooper sharp grilled onion.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Wago wago beef is really expensive.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
And that's probably one of the best sandwiches to me
in Los Angeles, and that there are many like that
that are worthy.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
But that's okay.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I have a book.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Frankly, I have a problem with a sandwich that costs
thirty eight bucks.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I just do.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
But a lot of people don't because they are very
popular out there. And you've got this is a this
is an interesting place because it was or it is
run by an Armenian. The chef owner Arthur Gregorian, who
(23:39):
well he created the sandwich. And I'll tell you the
viral boss forma brisket sandwich has gone absolutely crazy. All right,
We're done, guys. That's it. So much for a thirty
eight dollars sandwich.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
We'll go hats on it next time, you know, we'll
go No, no, we won't, We'll go words. We'll bring kono.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Well, it's a cost.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Down has to pay for gas. It's true. Good point,
all right, we are done.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Tomorrow morning it's all over again with Will Coleschreiber and
Amy King. Well, do you know you are such a
goyas goyam name?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
You know that Amy a name? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah? White?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Isn't that where you're white?
Speaker 3 (24:27):
I know, mayonnaise sandwiches and let us and white bread.
I get it that icy that's her thirty eight dollars sandwiches.
I get that all right. And then from six to
nine it's the Nielstir and me, and then of course
Cono who was spending all of his money on gasoline,
and and all of us back tomorrow and coming up
(24:50):
it's Gary and Shannon.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
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