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October 7, 2021 60 min

This week, Seattle city council member Kshama Sawant returns to the podcast with an analysis of the ongoing infrastructure battle, and an update on the recall campaign against her. Brie asks her how she plans to best the corporate interests aligned against her, and whether there are any lessons learned from the effort to challenge India Walton's win in Buffalo, and Nina Turner's defeat in Cleveland. The pair then interrogate the strategy around the infrastructure fight, and Kshama offers advice on how to know if a political battle is real or merely pageantry. You can support Kshama's solidarity campaign at, and learn more about Socialist Alternative at

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