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July 13, 2026 72 mins

Are African Muslims taking over America?

Tonight I examine the rise of prominent Muslim and African-born political figures, their connections to socialism, and their project to Africanize and Islamicize America.

Also my guest Salam Almasri discusses his conversion from Islam to Christianity and how he was imprisoned in Egypt for his beliefs.

(2:14) Defining "African Muslims"
(6:22) A Pattern of Failed States
(9:13) Rebutting the Colonial Narrative
(11:45) Path Through the Democratic Party
(13:20) Barbary Pirates and Islamic History
(19:26) Guest Intro: Salam Almasri
(20:17) Conversion and Imprisonment in Egypt
(26:57) No Exit From Islam
(28:26) Reclaiming Once-Muslim Lands
(32:33) The Islamic Strategy Document
(38:46) An Autoimmune Disease Metaphor
(45:31) Diagnosing the Real Problem
(50:45) Can the West Push Back?
(54:38) Needing a Christian Revival
(1:01:51) Islam's View of Jesus

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Are African Muslims taking over America? Well, they're certainly trying to.
I use the term African Muslim in its widest and
most general sense. It includes Africans in America. It includes
African Americans with Muslim connections. It includes Muslims with African connections.
It also includes Muslims with African roots or even with

(00:39):
Middle Eastern roots that are very.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Close to Africa.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
And Egyptian Muslim, for instance, is an African Muslim because
Egypt is in Africa. But even Lebanese and Palestinian Muslims
are very close both religiously and culturally to African Muslims. Basically,
this is one third world Afrocentric Islamic community. So who
are these African Muslims who want to take over America. Well,

(01:05):
there's Ilhan Omar, a Muslim who was born in Somalia
and whose family was part of the tribal conflicts in Somalia.
Also Omar Fate, another Muslim from Somalia. He ran for
mayor and lost, but he's very active in organizing in Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
There's New York.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Mayor Zoran Mamdani, whose mother is Indian but whose father
is a black African they are Muslims from Uganda. Mamdani
campaigned actively for Daria Liza Avila Chevalier, who won the
Democratic nomination for Congress in a New York congressional district.
She's an Afro Latina with roots in the Dominican Republic.

(01:46):
She converted to Islam in twenty eighteen and identifies as
a Democratic Socialist. Just like Mamdani, Michigan Congresswoman Rashida Talib
is a Muslim with Palestinian roots of parents of Palestinian
immigrants in Michigan. We also find Abdul Rahman Mohammad l Sayed.
He's the likely Democratic nominee for the US Senate, another Muslim,

(02:08):
as his name clearly indicates he was born in America,
but his parents are immigrants from Egypt. And let's not
forget melat Kiros, an Ethiopian born in Addis Ababa. Her
public records make no mention of her religious identity.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Maybe she has none.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
What we know is our family emigrated to the US
as part of the diversity visa lottery when she was
a baby. There's also Deanice Lewis George, an African American
who is likely the next mayor of Washington, d C.
She's not Muslim, but has close ties to Muslims and
also black Muslims in the nation's capital. She's also a

(02:45):
democratic socialist with a very similar agenda to the African
Muslims I've just listed. I have one final politician to
add to my list of African Muslims, the mayor of Minneapolis,
Jacob Fray. Now, my choice of pray seems odd because
he he's not African and he's not Muslim, but I'm
going to dub him an honorary African Muslim.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
And let me tell you why.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Jacob Frey ran as a left wing Democrat against the
African Muslim oh Marfaatee. Basically, the two men had a
similar ideology, but one was white, one a black Muslim
from Somalia. Faate tapped into the Somali community to try
and win the democratic nomination, but Frey out maneuvered him,
not by courting the white or non Muslim vote. Rather,

(03:28):
Frey allied himself with Somali's who come from tribes that
hate Fat's tribe. Think about this, a white guy from
Minnesota figures out that the Somalian Muslims are not one group.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
They may have low IQs.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Some research at any rate suggests that, but they break
up into tribal groups that want to wipe each other out.
They import these tribal affiliations to America. Frey learns how
to play one Somali group against the other, and in
this way.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
He beats Fate.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
That's why he deserves his honorary African Muslim title. I've
been focusing on African Muslims in electoral politics, but there
are also a horde of African Muslim activists who work
to advance a common ideological agenda.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
I mention just too.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Uma Abidin a Muslim married to George Soros's son Alex
Soros and actively involved with his political activism. Muma Abadin's
mom is the professor of Islamic studies from Pakistan. Her
dad is from India, also Amal Kuni formerly Amal al Muddin.
She's the activist wife of actor George Klooney, an attorney

(04:31):
who was born in Beirut, Lebanon. Her mother is a
Lebanese Sunni Muslim from Tripoli. Quite a gang, isn't it.
This whole gang has close connections to democratic socialism, even
if they are not explicit about their membership and behind
the whole group is one Barack Obama, who is not
a Muslim, but whose dad, Barack Obama Senior and stepfather

(04:53):
Lolo Satro were both raised Muslim. Obama was born in Hawaii,
but he had strong African roots. His father, Barack Senior,
often described as an immigrant, was not one.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
He was an.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
African foreign student who studied briefly in America before returning
to Africa. I can understand why many people wrongly suspected
Obama of being born in Africa or of being Muslim.
It's because his ideology of anti colonialism and anti Americanism
came from his Kenyan father. Don't believe me, Watch my

(05:26):
film Obama's America, available on iTunes and elsewhere, which will
convince you. But even without that, do you recall the
title of Obama's autobiography, Dreams from my Father, not dreams
of my father, Dreams from my father. Obama got his
dreams from his African dad. Now, the striking thing about
this African Muslim gang that wants to take over America

(05:48):
and in their words, to remake America or change America
for the better, to make America become better than its
founding and better than it ever was. The striking thing
about these reformers is that they all come from failed societies.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Here's a partial list.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Ethiopia, Somalia, Uganda, Kenya, Egypt, the Gaza, stra At Iran.
These are mostly hell holes, places where no one wants
to emigrate to and where the people mostly try to
figure out how to get out. That's how ilan Omar
came here because Somalia was racked by civil war, a war,
by the way, stoked by her own family. That's why

(06:26):
Mom Donnie's family didn't stay in Uganda but escaped to America. Now,
one might think that coming from failed society, society shaped
by tyranny, socialism, anti colonialism, wretchedness, these newcomers to America
would appreciate what's here. One might expect that they would
be grateful to be in America and fans of the
founders who made a new type of society where people

(06:49):
would thrive rather than live in poverty, oppression, and filth.
I myself was raised in a failed society. India is
not a failed society now, but it was a failed
experiment and in socialism in the nineteen seventies, India was
the begging bowl of the world. Every young person I
know was trying to get out. There was no life,
no worthwhile life for us in India. So when I

(07:10):
came to America, my natural reaction was, Wow, here's the
country that has its act together. Here's a place where
everything works. Here's the country with a dream and a
ladder of opportunity. And all of this is not by accident.
It was constructed by a group of people who met
in Philadelphia in the eighteenth century. My patriotism in America
was built on that, and even now, decades later, my

(07:34):
politics in America is based on that. Look at my
books and films, which are most of them studies and
interpretations of what it means to be an American. Now,
I'm hardly blind to the immense problems in our society,
but many of those are brought on by the kind
of ungrateful immigrants that I've named here. Debbie, my wife,
is also from Venezuela. She was born there and came

(07:56):
to this country in nineteen seventy six at the age
of ten. Now, Venezuela time was not a failed society.
It was a thriving, oil rich capitalist society. But the
socialists subsequently ran it into the ground and turned it
into a Third World hellhole. So Debbie two is grateful
for America. She knows what her life would be like
had she stayed in Venezuela. She appreciates the society for

(08:19):
protecting its vital institutions and for giving her the chance
to live a good life while her ancestral country went under.
Debbie has a portrait of George Washington in her home
office downstairs as a tribute to the man who got
this country started on the right track.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
So what's going on with these.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Sulking, resentful African Muslims in America? Why do they have
such a dedication to their home countries that suck? And
why are they so bitter and entitled in the country
that has made their life so much better? More specifically,
what's the goal or objective in America and how are
they going about it? The answer to these questions are familiar,

(08:58):
and yet if we step back and rough on them
quite amazing. First, the African Muslims insist that their countries
are poor, tyrannical hellholes on account of the West. The
West did this to them. America is responsible for their misery.
Oh really, well, a good deal of Africa was colonized
by Europe, not by America. So it's one thing to

(09:20):
blame England and France, another thing to blame America. Other
countries like Ethiopia were never colonized at all. So how
is the West, not just America, but the West in
general to blame for its destitution. Second, the African Muslims
insist that the West became rich at the expense of
their countries. This is the old anti colonial chant, you

(09:41):
got rich because you stole from me. This works if
you can show first of all that you were rich before,
and second that I was poor before, and third that
I came and took your stuff. But in the case
of these countries like Uganda, Somalia and Ethiopia, they were
poor to begin with. Second, America did not come and
take their stuf because there was no stuff to take. Third,

(10:03):
America did become rich, but that is because of wealth
created here in this country through entrepreneurial capitalism, a revolution
that proved successful, a new system of government that actually worked.
So the ideology of oppression your country took advantage of
mine simply doesn't work. But the African Muslims aren't finished.
Once they get to America, they adopt a domestic version

(10:26):
of the same canard. They go from saying that countries
were exploited to now insisting that they are being exploited
as minorities in a majority white and Christian country. Now
this is major hutzba, because where in Somalia could Ilhan
Omar have the life that she has here? Where in
Uganda could mom Danni thrive like he does here? If

(10:48):
Omar Fat lived in Somalia, he would probably be some
kind of a tribal warrior or a petty thief, or
maybe we would find his large, unusual head together with
other heads in the trophy display of some murderous gang.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Who knows.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Undeterred these African Muslims who come to America and immediately
enjoy rights they have never enjoyed before, rights utterly alien
to their messed up homelands, and yet they promptly declare
their victims of anti black and anti brown and anti
Muslim sentiment. They start speaking in the language of the left.
America they say is a bigoted country defined by racism, sexism, homophobia, islamophobia.

(11:29):
The most cunning of the African Muslims, they're really sneaky
ones that make it to the top of the heap
recognize that this ideology of resentment, bogus though it may be,
nevertheless matches the ideology of one of the major parties
in America, the Democratic Party, and so they begin their
ladder of assent through the Democratic ranks, exchanging acceptance and

(11:54):
entree for the votes of their fellow African Muslims. The
left and the Democrats, mainly educated white, are delighted to
find a new self styled victim group that they can
turn into a constituency. Remember the left, the Democrats, they
were losing some blacks, they were losing some Hispanics, even
some gays. So hey, why not welcome this delightful new group,

(12:15):
African Muslims. All these people, the African Muslims and their
allies on the left, hate America. They hate traditional America,
the America of the founding. They hate the people, mostly white,
who made America what it is. Of course, they cannot
put it quite that way. They must pretend to love America,
at least on the fourth of July, and so they
profess allegiance not to America as it was or America

(12:39):
as it is, but only to America as it ought
to be. They dedicate themselves to a future America that's
radically different from the founders of America. This is what
it means to be a progressive, to replace the founders
of America with their America. Their favorite phrase is a
more perfect union. What they mean is that the un

(13:00):
you mean is only perfect if they are running it.
And African Muslim America, in their view, is so much
better than a white Christian America. Now, they know they
cannot do it alone, so they're trying to do it
as part of a team. What the African Muslims want
is to become indispensable to the Democrats and to the Left,
and then to use that position to lead the left's
takeover of America. And doing so, they expect to Africanize

(13:23):
America and also to Islamicize it. They know the left
is on board. The Left and the Democrats will not
just reluctantly acquiesce, they will actively help the African Muslims
to reach their goals.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
They're doing it now.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
One cannot say the African Muslims of being utopian or dystopian.
It's not a fanciful project. It's a project that is
well underway. Now the Islamic aspect of this is driven
by religious ideology. This has a long history that goes
back to the Barbary Pirates. In the early nineteenth century,
Thomas Jefferson asked his ambassador to investigate why the Barbary

(13:58):
Pirates based in Triple now part of modern day Libya,
were harassing American ships. What beef, Jefferson asked, do the
Muslims have with us? Jefferson's ambassador reported that Abdul Raman,
the Islamic official he consulted, told him it was simply
a matter of principle.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
The Quran, he.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Said, classifies all Western people and all Christian nations as infidels.
It commands Muslims to defeat and destroy the infidels. So
that was Raman's defense of the Barbary pirates. Basically, it
comes down to, hey, they're thugish Muslims, and that's what
we thugish Muslims do. No need to probe any hidden causes.

(14:36):
There's nothing more to it than that. This is when
Jefferson understood that Islam itself.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Was the problem.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
And now Islam is coming to America in a big
way courtesy of the African Muslims, whether they practice Islam
or not. The African Muslims are on board with the
Islamic project to infiltrade, and overrun and capture the West.
I'm making a film about this right now. Look for
it on the Islamic Project in America. The working title,

(15:03):
which I like a lot, so it probably will be
the title is United States of Islam. The African Muslims
like the Islamic part, but they also like the Africanization part.
Why because Africa is run largely by thugs, and they are,
in their heart of heart thugs themselves. The reason they
don't stay in Africa is because there's not enough over

(15:24):
there to steal, and also there's a danger of being
eaten alive by other thugs even more violent and ruthless
than they are. Mam Donnie doesn't want to end up
on some modern day Idia means dinner plate. I wonder
what the founders of this country and the people who
built it up over the generations would say if they
found out that African Muslims are in the process of

(15:45):
gaining power in this country with the goal of taking
it over completely. It's a perverse inversion of their most
cherished hope instead of poor, dilapidated country is becoming more
like America. We become more like them courtesy of the
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deneshcrypto dot com. Salam al Masri is a writer and
educator and analyst who lives in the UK. He is
a Muslim born man who is also a convert to Christianity,

(19:14):
and he is now a scholar attached to the Ideological
Defense Institute the IDI. Salam, welcome and thank you for
joining me. May I start by thank you for having
me absolutely. May I start by asking you about your
conversion to Christianity. How did that come about and how

(19:40):
did you get imprisoned in Egypt for your beliefs?

Speaker 3 (19:48):
Okay, It started by I was born in a Muslim family,
but I was generally secular Muslim, like you know, Christmas
and Eastern kind of musclim you know. I would go
to the mosque once a year for hate prayer, and
stuff like that. And in eighty one I had several
members of my family arrested during the assassination of the

(20:10):
Egyptian president and the insurgency in Upper Egyptian as you
five four hundred miles out. By eighty four, they came
out and I was at that time, I was a
trot's kite. So I was fascinated by the revolutionary idea
of Islamic group because they actually not talking dialect Marx dialect,

(20:35):
but they are doing something better than the old guard
of the forty discussing i geology and not doing anything.
And so I started more getting involved with them for
a very short time, a few weeks, a few months.
Because my family connection, I didn't join the higher archy

(20:57):
from the pace. I became immediately enshrined or thrown in
the middle of the upper leadership. So I saw the
whole They took me to the kitchen. Basically, I saw
the whole thing as it is. That resulted in me
doing extensive study of Islam for about a year year

(21:18):
and a half and becoming a deist. And there is
a god over there, but he really doesn't care for us.
We don't care for him. A few years later, through
different studies and some Christians I've met where one very
specific person was a dentist. He met you me during

(21:42):
this time I after I became a deist, I moved
into drug addiction for about a year a year and
something and I needed to get some work done on
my teeth, and then I had to go to him.
I didn't know he's a Christian because names in Mid
Eastern country function as identity. So a name like Abrahim

(22:05):
or Abraham, it doesn't tell you what the person religion is,
but Peter and Hammad do. So he had one of
those names like Adel, Samir something like that. So I
found he's actually very strange person. He had two clinics,
one of them in the equivalent of Park Avenue and

(22:30):
the other one is the equivalent of the Pronx. So
he's working in the PRONX while he's taking the money
from the Park Avenue clinic to spend on the patient
on the neighborhood. Was just something phenomenon. One time I
saw one of my former jama Is Lamia comrade before
I become a Deist in his clinic and I was

(22:52):
asking him genuinely when I discover as a Christian, you
know this guy wouldn't mind killing you if he knows
he can't get away with that. His reply short circuit me.
He said, yeah, I know, poor guy, he thinks will
be helping God this way. It didn't compute for me,
so I started asking him things about theology and to
the extent to get the point. I said, I have

(23:14):
no idea. I'm not a theologian. I'm just a dentist.
Why don't you go and meet this pastor? I said,
I don't like dealing with got salespeople. He said, no, no, no,
he's a really good guy. He has a degree in
Islamic theology, which was quite intriguing to me. So I
met the pastor. Turns out he has a degree in
Stamic study, not Islamic theology. And I became intellectually Christian

(23:39):
more than a spiritually Christian because I tested the system
to its limit. Every single belief system in human history
must answer for questions how did we get here, what's
the problem, how you solve the problem, and what's the end?
What's it all about? Within Christianity theologically, those questions are

(24:03):
coherent creation, the full redemption, and glorification the coherent the
former coherent worldview where it holds, and I did ask.
Maybe about eighty eight October eighty eight, I read one

(24:27):
verse in the Bible correctly for the first time. Whenever
you're reading your mother tongue, your brain autocorrect typos. You
don't know something unless you're looking for it. And so
I was reading Isaiah forty three, verse one, and for
the first time, I read it correctly. In Arabic. The
difference between my name and your name is a single letter.

(24:49):
It's me is mac That's the difference. So I was
always reading it. I called you by my name. This
day I read it correctly. I called you by your name.
So I know it doesn't make sense now, but at
the time it was like the maker of the universe
has stopped running after intellectual side shows. I'm talking to you.

(25:12):
There are three and a half billions. I'm calling you
by name. And that's when I prayed. I asked a
church pastor to be baptized. He said no, Why, he said,
I know who you are. They will kill you, they
will kill me, they'll burn the church. And I don't
mind if you know what you're doing. So I had
to convince him, which talk about six months my dad

(25:37):
saw me reading the Bible, and he said, stop reading
that thing. He'll become a Christian. I loved, I said, Dad,
I read everything from Mars to say it could be
and one more book is not going to do me in.
So he reported me to the Egyptian State security and
about two years later I got arrested and thrown in
jail for without charges for a year. And I got

(26:01):
out because huge intervention from George W. Bush during an
administration and Sam brown Back. Senator Sam brown Back the
actually threatened the Egyptian government to use les law. So
basically I cost the Egyptian government about one point six
billion dollars if they kid mean Jay. So they let
me out.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
My gosh, Salam, you just pointed to something that for
many people in the West is almost incomprehensible, and that
is a doctrine in Islam that allows you the freedom
to walk in but doesn't allow you the freedom to

(26:41):
walk out. For most people in the West, religious freedom
means that you can adopt Christianity, or you can become
a Hindu, or you can become a Muslim, but you
are also free to leave if you decide that you
have changed your mind. Why is this is it an

(27:01):
Islamic Is it in the Quran that you are not
allowed to exit, and that and that leaving Islam represents
a kind of apostasy that is punishable by law and
perhaps even by death.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
It's actually not in the Qur'an. It's an Islamic hadith
and jurisprudence. But the reason it's there, it's the nature
of man itself. On the nature of religion within Christianity,
within most world religion is the redemptive religion. As human,
you need help, That's what the religion does to you.
They're trying to help you. If you don't need help,

(27:36):
you want to stop taking amendic and you want to
leave Islam, that's that's that doesn't recognize that concept of redemption.
You need to obey and you need to fall under
its authority. So by leaving, you're leaving its authority, its dominance.
There is a hadith Mohammad said islamu Alai. Sorry if

(27:57):
I'm cutting in Arabic because I'm translating from my men.
Islams dominate and can never be dominated. So the act
of leaving, the act of exit itself is like during
the Second World War, an American soldier go and join
the third drive. That's how do you see it. Whatever

(28:18):
the belief or the conviction of the soldier are irrelevant.
You need to submit to the authority of it. It
needs to dominate over you. That's why there's no exit.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
I also heard or read recently a kind of corollary
to that idea which I had not heard before, and
that is the application of the same principle to Islamic territory.
In other words, the idea here is that when Islam
conquers a region or a country, it now belongs to Islam.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
It can never be returned.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Definitely is still in every single Muslim country today. You
want to Andalusia back because it was once ruled by Muslim.
It's not the it's not a French group, it's not
a minority group. It's actually the whole idea we went from.
We went Andalusia back, we want Sicily back. And what's

(29:15):
one of the main reasons you have all the conflict
over Israel Because it's not short of land. It's not
short of it, not because that specific land was once
under Islamic dominance. It becomes what's called in Islam's called
walk endowment. Endowment. It's an endowment for the Islamic Umah.

(29:39):
They can never give it back. They still want parts
of India as well.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
I mean, this is this is an astounding concept. Let's
spell it out more clearly. When you say Andalusia, you're
referring to Islamic Spain. Yes, the Muslims rule Spain or.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Use use I used the Andalusia because it was more
than Spain. It was up to South France, so it
was larger than Spain. Whatever the land they ruled, they
won't die.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Back, right.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
And then the Muslims, in addition, conquered much of northern
India and established the Mogul Empire. And you're saying that
to this day there is the belief in Islam and
this is not Islamic radicalism but rather Islam itself, that
this territory at some point needs to be returned to

(30:30):
the return to Islam.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
I actually don't like the term Islamic radicalism at all.
It's misleading. Think about it like this. Think about like this.
You walk into buskin robins. There are thirty one flavors. Essentially,
they are ice cream, So choosing which flavor some of
them could kill somebody If he had peanut allergy and

(30:55):
took a Mars sneakers ice cream. But you know, essentially
ingreed of all of them doesn't differ in its basics
or in its goal. The only difference between isis and
Muslim Brotherhood is not the goal, it's the method. The
difference between Islamic Counselor of Scholars, which was led by

(31:20):
Karadawi and introduced to the West as the moderate to
form of Islam, and al Kaida is different method, not
an ideology, not the aim, because all of them, when
you come to later, might explain this the end of
the same place. It's a civilization aiming at one goal

(31:41):
and one God. Only how you get there is a
different That's the only difference between them.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
You discussed in a recent article a remarkable document that
was published by the Islamic Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization
is SCO. The document is called the Strategy for Islamic
Cultural Action Outside the Islamic World. And I want to

(32:11):
emphasize that this is not put out by some NGO
or some kind of fringe group. Rather, it is a
kind of institutional formalization of what the Muslim countries around
the world, Muslim communities see as.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
The goal of Islam in the West.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
It was that it was adopted document. It was adopted
document at the Doha Conference of Islamic Operation Council, signed
officially signed by fifty seven Musclim majority country. No, it's
a government policy. It's multi national government policy, and it's
been around to twenty six years and they are the
one who publish it. It's not a conspiracy theory theory.

(32:58):
That's actually official Islamic States policy and you will see
how it's been implemented.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Now, let's talk about what the document says, because this
is a at a very broad level, a road map
for what is the goal of Muslims or what should
be the goal of Muslims, both Muslim individuals but also
Muslim institutions and Muslim groups in the West.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
What is that goal?

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Okay, let me start in a different place. I want
to start from the United States National Archive. You go
there under heavy armored guard and a bulletproof class. You
have the most precious document in America's history, and right
involved in one of those documents, you have that three
words we the people. Those are the foundation of the

(33:48):
entirety of American political philosophy. They come before any political
party disagreement, before any activity activist, liking or disliking. Those
are the ground that every single American in its institution
stands on and is grounded on. On the other, completely
the other side of these three words, we the people,

(34:12):
you would have an Islamic philosophy called the Hackey media,
which means the absolute sovereignty of all Lah, where all
Llah is the only one who's allowed and can make
or change laws. So the most foundational document in American
history or actually in Western political philosophy, and is seen

(34:34):
by that concept as a confession to the act of
the gravest usurpation of power. Ever, it's a plus for me,
simple as that, because when you said we the people
are the source of law, are the sources where we
find some laws are wrong, we change it to abolish slavery.
We do that because we the people. And on the

(34:56):
other side, they're hearing you committing an active class FIM,
the strategy you're looking at is the vehicle that will
get you from one point to the other. It's not
the ideology, it's what gets you there because its function
is specifically, if you read it carefully, it's using very
very very intension military language, like talking about the Muslim

(35:19):
community in western countries or non Islamic country as the
front line for the Ummah for the name for Islamic nation.
That's basically the language you use when you talk about
the Eastern Front. That's a military language. They're talking about
the Muslim community that they should be immunized against Western assimilation.
They are telling you those communities are not here to assimilate.

(35:42):
They are here as a peach head for the Ummah
and the ACT. When you were talking early asking about apostasy,
the document states that's Muslim community in the West with
function with the one way evalve. No one is allowed act.
But the one of their functions is to absorb, convert

(36:04):
to Islam and to integrate them into the Omah. And
when we said the oma, the whole concept of it,
it means the submission to the hakeemia, to the absolute
power and jurisprudence of Allah. So you're getting we the
people to to go back to their place. The people
in Islamic concept are like a museum creator, not a

(36:27):
painter in an art school. A creator the museum are
not allowed to change a masterpiece. You study it, you
observe it, you keep it safe, but it's not your
job to do something new with it. We treat our civilization,
Western civilization as a student an art school. Make a masterpiece.

(36:49):
Show me what you're going to do with what you
have that concept, you're not allowed to do it. It
will be like the very common view these days when
some climate act gone through oil and paint on a masterpiece.
You see it as an active aggression, as an active vandalism.
So we the people from Islamic perspective, is an active vandalism.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
To draw out the implication of what you're saying, there
are many Americans who have looked at traditional immigrant groups
as coming to America wanting to become part of our society,
accepting our laws. In fact, coming to join a club

(37:34):
that they have always wanted to be members of so
that they can have a better life. And this is
the general view of why the Irish came, and the
Italians and the Jews, and I think by a certain
type of general extension, there are many people who think, well,

(37:54):
the Muslims are coming kind of under the same rubric
and under the same bargain. I think what you're saying
is that this is actually not the case, or at
least this is not the goal of Islamic immigration to
the West.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
What I'm saying, let me make a very clear distinction.
Muslim community in non Muslim country might not be aware
of the strategy, might actually cooperate with it, and might
not even know it says co exist. And that's completely
irrelevant because what we have is not an immigration policy problem,

(38:33):
it's an autoimmune disease problem. The Western protection system, immunity
system which we have, religious freedom, freedom of opinion, freedom
of conscience, freedom and aciation are used as a weapon
against the West itself. Those are the tools we're supposed
to protect our the body, but those are the tools

(38:54):
that use If you read the document, it explicitly stated
that a Muslim should be incarriage, to take political office,
to participate in uh a culture event in media. The
genuinely a Muslim might do that in America because he
want to be a star, he want to be a lawyer,
he wan to he want to participate in this. He

(39:14):
doesn't have a clue what that served. But by educating
them since the ninety through Islamic Center that was golf
money funded Egyptian as our university's scholars, teaching, and some
countries in Europe actually pay to get Curriculal'll clear about
that in a second, to get curricul and talk to

(39:34):
their children under the authority of another government. So all
of this would lead ultimately to the same place. When
you look at someone who has an autoimmune disease, it
functioned individually as the immune system should function. It flares,
it shows rashes. You know, you think the immune system
is working. But when you look at the whole diagnostic

(39:57):
as a whole and on civiliza level, the person is dying.
So and the problem with that is you are you
will not be able to ignore the problem. If you're
looking at my immigration, if you're looking at cutter media funding,
university research funding in isolation, you have to look at
all of it together where it leads what's the destination.

(40:21):
You have a community that feel more connected to someone
on the other side of the world. When you have
someone running in an office and he says my people,
he doesn't mean he's constituents. He means the guys in
Bangladesh or Nigeria or Indonesia, that's my people. So you're
talking about completely two different things. He would be serving

(40:43):
the community, but to what goal? The the already most
of that and a lot of them are Western born
citizens and even convert. But it's the same, the same
problem you have. Imagine this for a second. If you
have an institution that is run, funded, educated by Russian

(41:06):
government in America for over multi decayed and multi generation,
and it's kept to have its loyalty knowingly or not
to the Mother Church, Eastern Orthodox Russia and by extension,
the Russian Federation, how would you deal with that? That
that's the problem you have in Europe. I told you,

(41:28):
I'll tell you about that. In Europe, you have countries
like France. They used to I think they stopped it
now to pay Morocco in order to teach Arabic to
French citizens from North Africa. And the curriculum is under
French under Moroccan government authority and design and teachers. So

(41:49):
the French government paying Moroccan citizens to teach French citizens
about Morocco. How to keep the roots. In Germany, the
relig just affair under Duran in Turkey are paid by
the German tax payers in order to teach German from
Turkish origin about Islam. And it's controlled by the religious

(42:12):
authority that's under Duran government, and it's across Europe. Several
countries of Europe are teaching Arabic in schools optionally and
all this strategy is spelt out not conspiracy in the
documentary I sent you and to see the example in

(42:33):
Europe since that was published in two thousands, they started
before that, before that, with the first meeting was in France,
a cooperation between government in what they do, and since
then Islamic Center and Islamic education system and mosque and
schools mushroomed around Europe and you have naturally no conspiracies

(42:56):
needed and people are in it don't even have to
be aware of. With several jurisdictions in Europe voted in
entire city council of Muslims, and you know you have
you have people uh winning election because they are running
in European country for Gaza and rising the Plastinian flag,

(43:17):
which nothing to do with the constituents except the constituents
think more about the people there as my people than
actually the country they live in. It's that kind of
dynamic and they are not voting for global conspiracy. It's
the way it happens organically weaponizing your own system to

(43:39):
eat itself. And you see that very clearly by giving
our own government paying for it. One of the clearest
case was during the Holyland Foundation trial in America, the
biggest case of terrorist funding in American history. One of
the unindicted conspirator with Care Council of Islamic American relationship.

(44:01):
During the trial, Care was assistant the FBI in their
counter terrorist activity organization that's been on trial at the
time for terrorists funding. Was advising the FBI about the
counter terrorists. In the UK, one of the main advisors
of the British government is the Muslim Council of Britain,

(44:24):
which was founded by people who are ideologically belong to
Maududi is an Indian Pakistani scholar who started the Wholy
school of the absolute sovereignty of all Lah And who
would think that's the greatest plasphemy is we the people?
Those his disciples are advising the Pritchish government in counter

(44:46):
terrorism and telling them who's extremists and who's not. So
what immigration would solve that.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
I think what you're saying is that the whole concept
of Islamic radicalism is almost a convenient fiction. And you
have groups that are pursuing this broad based Islamic agenda,
and they're able to deflect attention from their own project
by saying, hey, guess what, We're going to help you

(45:15):
identify the radicals and extremists, and you may want to
keep an eye on those guys, but meanwhile you're missing
the larger picture of the broader Islamic project, which is
well underway, and in fact, we have got your help
in promoting and subsidizing it.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
They actually might, genuinely, they might not see it like
that because they might have a problem with the radical
what you call radical, because those radical think the one
who's playing politics are not even Muslims, and they will
be their target as well, because they want the change
from the top down, the same way it happened in
the early history of Islam in India and Egypt, in Spain.

(45:55):
So they want or nine to eleven, they want that
kind of change, that non radical these thing. No, they
want exactly the same thing. That's the Islamic flag raised
above Westminster and White House. But we will be voted in.
We're not going to do it violently, We're just going
to but the same goal. It's the same. You're talking

(46:15):
about the spectrum and methodology they might have. You might
have in America, for example, several different criminal gangs. Not
all of them are violent, some of them are con artists,
some of them are you know, doing charity work. But
the goal at the end is what I'm looking at.

(46:39):
I if I take that concept, this activity, all of
it and add it together, is what's the end the result,
what those ingredients are going to cook for me? What's
the end meal? And the end meal is they want
Islamic society. Mother tell you that and none Moderate tell
you that. The difference is one wanted now and one

(47:00):
would walk for it in several generations. The easiest could
document is explicitly said first, second, third, fourth generation. It's
a multi generational document telling you we won't immunize Muslim
community in non Islamic country again its assimilation. I'm not
making it up. I'm courting it again, its assimilation and

(47:24):
protect them from the danger of a Western culture. So
you have this group and these stated clearly depend on
the fact that this community will demographically increase higher perth
rate younger generation while Western community is lower birth rate
and older generation. So will without even immigration, they will

(47:47):
increase demographically the absorbed convert, and which according to the document,
might be through persuasion or it might be through marriage.
So because in Islam, a non Muslim American, one Amerrian,
a Muslim American, we'd have to convert to Islam first,
and then that became one other person in the ouma,

(48:12):
one one, one more person closer to the final project.
And it is not secret. They don't need to be radicalized,
they don't need getting you to look at them. The
ones who commit active terror is a shell game. It's
a slight of hand because at the end, the bothe
gonna go in the exactly same place with the people

(48:35):
is plasphemy.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
And the goal of the project, just to emphasize it
very clearly, is that is not to have Muslims become
more westernized or more Americanized, but sort of the opposite,
to make America and the West more islam Assized.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Isn't that right?

Speaker 3 (48:56):
The Quran stated quite. It says fight them until there
is no sedition and all the religion becomes for Allah,
so that the goal is not America. The goal is
a global empire submitted to Allah. Whether the people in

(49:18):
that empire are all become Muslims or not. Some of
them might stay Christian or do It's completely irrelevant because
you can stay Christian and pay the jijia. You don't
run the country, you don't run for public office, but
you submit to the authority of Islam. That's the goal,
and that's not the goal is stated by minority. That's
the goal in the Qoran. That's the goal is stated

(49:41):
by Muhammad himself. He said in one of the authentic
hadids in Masawa, Allah has pended the earth to me,
and I saw the east and the west and the
rule of my uma, my nation. We're reach as far
as I've seen. So it's in the authentic in the Qur'an,

(50:05):
it's the goal is a global empire that submits to
the rule of Islam.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
You described a project that travels on the passport of
American and Western liberty, which is economic freedom, freedom of speech,
religious freedom. But it is attempting to move to a
society in which those freedoms would be curtailed, if not extinguished.

(50:36):
In other words, its end goal involves a subversion of
those exact freedoms.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
How is the West or how is.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
America going to be able to push back against us.
And I say this because we appear to be captive
to our own freedoms. We appear to be in an
awkward position of having to repudiate our own bill of
rights in order to say no to a project that
we know is not taking us where the Constitution wanted

(51:06):
to take us.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Let me take you back to the autoimmune analogy, because
that's precisely what's going on. The system. Western democracy is
not designed to deal with that kind of threat at all,
because not they didn't. They are stupid or ill equipped,
because the system itself, when it's used against the system.

(51:31):
An autoimmune is your body fighting mechanism, is what is
killing your body. So and the solution would have to
be in the same way. First, you have to diagnose
it's an autoimmune problem, that's your system fighting itself, and
it's not just a foreign disease because it is not
a foreign disease, it's homegrown in many cases. Second, it

(51:54):
has to be done explicit, with precision, and with devastating effect.
It has to be the same way you treat autoimmune
is to identify what cell actually eating the body, infecting
the body, and those cell you'd have to target those
you don't invite care to the White House to advise you.
You're having basically the pathogen telling you what cells you

(52:18):
should reject and what selves you should deep when the
pathigs on itself is with you in the room. So
Western country would have and to diagnose the problem different
the other problem we don't recognize. We have built in
mechanism that forbid the diagnostics Slamophobia. For example, I'll be

(52:41):
labeled islamophobe completely if I wasn't born in a musculing
for everything I said to you today, because that is designed,
not grown organically. It was designed to confuse people, individuals
with the ideology. So the second uklarocricize the ideology, Oh
you're anti Muslim, you're your racist, your piggot, your islamophob

(53:02):
so and let everything move on. And Islamophobia is basically
someone tell you ignore the man behind the curtain, because
they are fifty seven men behind the curtain and they
have signard document says that's what we want to do,
and they've been working on it for twenty six years,
and you can see the result in several European countries.

(53:23):
You can see it in some American states, and the
people who are doing it are not actually nefarious. People
avoided Mandanni in I believe they thought he's great for
New York, whatever his policy. But the end, the project
itself is a submission to ideology that's funded by a
fifty seven foreign country and sometimes educated by teachers who

(53:49):
work for those foreign countries. How you deal with that?
Diagnose the problem first, The first thing you have to do.
Diagnose the problem on civilization level. If you don't do that,
we will be eroded, one system at a time, one
city municipality at a time, one city council at a time.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Let me ask you a question that borders on the spiritual,
which is that one of the great strengths of Islam
is that it has not lost the force of its
original revelation. You've got people today who are just as
devoted to Islam as probably some of the people who
surrounded the prophet Muhammad. In Christianity, however, you seem to have,

(54:32):
particularly in Europe, but to some degree also in America,
a secularization you referred earlier to an Easter Sunday Christianity.
You've got a kind of more modest devotion to the cause.
And my question is, do you think that in the end,
it will take a powerful Christian revival in the West

(54:55):
to be fully up to the challenge posed by the
Islamic pri project.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
Okay, let me start by correcting you. I think the
power in Islam not the people devotion, because we actually
cannot know logically how many people are devoted Muslim. It's
impossible to know because I'm still counted and easy as
a Muslim. So once you're in, born in it, or
came in it, that's it. You're in and there's no

(55:23):
way out. The power Islam have its function as retric
It's intellectual junk food. I know that's a strong statement,
so let me explain what I mean by it and
give you a quick example. When you look at junk food,
it looks nice, it smells nice, it looks like something
you would like to eat, and it might be good

(55:44):
for you. But when you know the ingredients, you actually
discover it's not food in any meaningful way, and it's
actually bad for you. As an example, one of the
most famous verses in the Qur'an, which is Christian, when
the the psychological and rector of it will take them
completely different direction. They killed him, not they crucified him. Not,

(56:07):
but it appeared to them talking about the crusifix of
Jesus seven words in the Kurna and hadid. That's it,
talking about that big historical event that's the core foundation
of Christian theology. But until you ask, actually, what's the
ingredients what this verse is doing. It's not denying that
crucifixion as a historical event. Someone was on the cross,

(56:31):
and everybody standing there believe that someone with Jesus. Islam
is denying the identity of the person. So built in
with the claim is immunionization from any sort of evidence
because you bring them eyewitness account, a document, take them there,

(56:52):
it's Jesus. Yeah, it looks like him. It appeared to you.
So when you have a verse that is unfalsifiable in
the logic, that very is not even wrong when a
Muslim bring If a Muslim bring this up to me,
the only rational answer for me is like to be
would you like some fries with that? Because it exited
the realm of the domain of truth claim. It's not

(57:15):
making a truth claim, it's telling you something that will
shake you to the core because it's power. He didn't die,
he wasn't put in the cross. But when you look
behind the curtain, it's actually not saying anything. So that's
why I mean by it's an intellectual junk food. Once
you just go beyond what the claim is, I can

(57:37):
give you many examples that will end the same thing.
But the power of red trick is very convincing and
the way you find Muslim speak with the confidence about
what they are thinking, they saying. And the bigger problem
is globally, the vast majority of Muslim probably more than

(57:58):
ninety seven percent of them, are incapable logically to check
the sources of Islam. I'll tell you why, because in
order to check these sources what they mean, you have
to go to classic Arabic. Classic Arabic is a second
language to most Arabs. It's like you reading a fifteenth
century English document, legal document, so there's terminology that's archaic

(58:21):
are not used. So by just going to classic Arabic,
you have to execlude all non Arab Muslim from the picture.
That leaves about four hundred million who can speak Arabic.
Out of those, thirty two percent are under the age
of fourteen, twenty three percent are illiterate, and some of
them are not Muslim at all, and some are not religious.

(58:43):
Leaves you with about forty to fifty millions who are
capable of actually reading classic Arabic, not the engaged with it.
And if you're going to be very generous and add
ten million non arab scholars to them, you get about
sixty millions who are capable. Logically, that's les than three
percent the actual people who read it. With the affraction

(59:07):
of that number, they made a study in a dub
a few years ago. They found that the average Arabic
speaking person read six minutes a year. So that means
whatever religion they are new, they are not actually checking
the sources. They are taking that from the gate keeper,

(59:28):
from the scholars who are educated by a foreign government.
To explain how far that goes. One of the very
common misconceptions about Islam today is alcohol in Islam is
forbidden and it always has been. You heard it before.
That's not true. There's an Arabic in the book saying

(59:53):
quite humorous statement, says yaz sure his opinion about music
that of Hejazz, and in drinking is that of Iraq.
Because there was a disagreement historically between the scholar of
Hejazz Mecca and Medina and the scholar of Basra and
Baghdad about is all alcohol forbidden or only that made

(01:00:16):
out of grape juice. So the Iraqi were quite lenient
and they will say not only what made of grape juice,
the other you can drink, but don't get into untoxicated.
So someone and the hejazi said music is forbidden. So
someone who wants to have a drink and listen to music,
he go and fed to a shopping between the scholars

(01:00:36):
Muslim today, I think there is something called sharia that's unanimous, unified,
and that said, no, you don't have that. What you
have is a very specific school that was sold to
non Arabic speaking Muslim by Sadi a Habitz, Pakistani Islamia

(01:00:57):
and Egyptian Azar. That very specific school is what's sold
in the West, and it almost cannot be corrected based
on English translation because the people who sold you that
version are the one who's translating the books in English.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
So I'm returning to your quotation, your quotation earlier about
the Quran with regard to the crucifixion and Jesus. To me,
it helps to illuminate something that we hear in our
own society now you'll hear it said by Muslims and
also by some people on the left, and Tucker Carlson

(01:01:38):
has repeated something of the same ilk, namely that Islam
accepts Jesus as a prophet and is therefore closer to
Christianity than Judaism, which rejects Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
I'd like you to comment on this.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
When a Muslim say that to me, and I hear
it a lot, my reply always is, that's great, So
you believe in the Son of God who came and
died in across the cervies people, No, I don't. I said,
you just said, I accept Jesus, but not that one.
That's the only Jesus we have. We don't have another one.
So you have to force again the intellectual junk food analogy.

(01:02:19):
What actually is he saying I have the name Jesus.
I know you were around during the First Gulf War
and it was hugely covered by C and N and
the person who's cover it was Bernard Show, an American.
If I tell you about Bernard Show, and I mean

(01:02:39):
the Irish author, am I talking about the same Bernard Show.
So the fact that you stick the label Jesus, which
is not in Islam. It's Aesa which came from Us
the Greek, which huge problem for Islam. But different story.
Did you stick that name on anything? It's actually doesn't
solve problem Islam. From a Christian perspective, what islam believe

(01:03:05):
about Jesus is an absolute form of plasphemy. Contrary to that,
what Jews believe about Jesus is accepted by Christians because
here's what here's the actual problem. When Jesus went on
in Matthew twelve six to eight, and he was still
talking to Jews, telling them here something greater than the

(01:03:26):
Temple two verse later, so you know, the Son of
Man is Lord of the Sabbath. For a Jew in
the first century to hear those two sentences is a
lot worse than a Black American hearing the N word
from Tucker Carson psychologically speaking, because the Temple is God's
dwelling place. That's how a Jews see it. To tell

(01:03:48):
Jesus to say someone greater than the Temple, and the
Sabbath is the Sabbath of God, that's his own day
in the Ten Commandments. So when Jesus says I'm the
Lord of the Sabbath, he's claiming property over God's own property.
So for a Jew, he has one of two choices.
Believe him and down in your knees call him Lord

(01:04:10):
and savior, or you don't, and then you apply the law,
which in Deuteronomy thirteen says, if someone came to you
saying let's go after another God, you kill him. That's
literally written the law. So the Jews who believed what
Jesus was saying understood exactly what they're saying. He said,
but we don't believe you. The fact that we don't
believe you means they are pushed by law to kill him.

(01:04:34):
When a Muslim come, he says, yeah, but he really
doesn't mean that's that, you know, that's condescending to what
Jesus said, dismissive to his claim. And he said, oh,
when Jesus said I and a father are one, he's
just like me and you are one. He's just being friendly.
So cus Lewis made that point quite clearly. Say the

(01:04:55):
idea of taking Jesus as the great moral teacher is
made by someone who doesn't know what Jesus said or
understand it. It's an idea that was never intended by Jesus,
and he never meant to. It's a condescending nonsense. Basically
what lewis saying, because Jesus claimed to be the creator everything,

(01:05:20):
He claimed to be the lord of the Sabbath. He
claimed to be greater than the Temple. And if you're
going to take those words as he said them and
says that's a great moral teacher, you don't understand what
he's saying and wors and in Islam he actually comes
second to Muhammad. You know, he's not even the greatest
moral example. They conquered. Jesus stook him of his only title,

(01:05:49):
all his claims, all his authority. When you have someone,
let's assume the Islamic Jesus is a human being. All
authority in heaven on earth has been given to me.
That's a claim can be made by human all authority
in heaven and earth. That means all authority God himself have.

(01:06:09):
So when you read what Jesus said and he says, oh,
this is a good prophet, you don't understand what you're saying.
And so the Muslim claim itself it's either a mislabeling
of someone we're not show or a complete misunderstanding to
what they are reading, or a rejection to everything Christian have,

(01:06:32):
which another headache for Islam. You know, oh, you don't
have the true Bible. That's one of the biggest, huge
problems for Islam. I don't know. If you have time,
I can. I can tell you why if we have time,
but I don't want to keep speaking.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Just well to me, it's very fascinating because what you're
really saying is that the Jews might reject Jesus based
upon his claims, but they take the claim him seriously.
They understood what Jesus is saying about himself. It's almost
as if Islam refuses to even consider the possibility that

(01:07:10):
what Jesus is saying may not be true, may or
may not be true. In other words, Islam doesn't even
reject Jesus. They invent a kind of new Jesus of
their own, choosing yes.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
And if you read, if you read Matthew twenty two specifically,
and Matthew twelve and Matthew twenty two and see what
Jesus is doing as a first century Jew, you have
no choice. Jesus made this binary very clear. You either
believe in him or you kill him. Because if you
read Matthew, you'll find out. That's the religious leader didn't

(01:07:46):
want to kill him during the Sabbath, so why did they?
Because he pushed that choice in Matthew twenty one. You
know the claims he made is one of two things, matc. Thomas,
my Lord and my Savior, or crucify him. There is

(01:08:07):
no third choice, and that's based on the Bible itself.
For Islam, now, Jesus doesn't mean what he says. I
believe Islam is more insulting to Jesus than any rejection
that could possibly be.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
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Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
Thank you very much, Thank you so much, and thank
you for having me.

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