Trump’s Iran Victory Is Bigger Than You Think

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Trump's Iran deal has provoked a good deal of confusion
and outrage. In fact, it scrambled the various camps in
the foreign policy debate. Democrats are crowing that this deal
represents a staggering defeat for Trump and for the USA.
They say it makes Iran stronger than ever. Now that's predictable.
Democrats can be expected to say that. Yet the Democratic

(00:38):
position is in effect endorsed by pro Israel hawks on
the right. I'm talking about Mark Levin, lor Lumer and
what can loosely be termed the neocon camp. This group
insists that Trump is being dangerously naive. There's even a
hint of betrayal. A recent article by Douglas Murray encapsulates
this view. It's headlined how Trump fell in into the

(01:00):
Iranian trap. And this neo composition is endorsed by many
Iranian exiles. They too say Trump got played. Their real
grievance is that Trump raised their hoops only to crush
them with what they perceive to be a deal with
the devil. If Trump feels somewhat abandoned by his previous
allies who cheered him on in his intervention in Iran,

(01:23):
he must also realize he has some new supporters at
least support us of this deal. One of them is
the young or not so young anymore, turk chenk Ouigurer.
He's praising Trump, perhaps for the first time in his life.
Others who oppose Trump's Iran intervention are also praising the deal,
but their point is not that Trump is making a
good move. Rather, their position is that he should never

(01:45):
have gotten involved in the first place. So this group
agrees Trump has been defeated and humiliated. They're merely happy
that he has recognized the error of his ways and
come belatedly to his senses. One might think expect that
in this confused morass, the Trump administration would put forward

(02:05):
a unified and comprehensive defense of its actions. Here's why
we got involved, here's why we're now getting out. But no,
Trump himself gives no systematic explanation apart from his pungent
and whimsical social media posts. Those are mainly reactions to
something he saw on TV or something that someone said,
and in classic trump in fashion, even his explanations are

(02:28):
declarative rather than explanatory. Basically, I did what I did,
and if you don't like it, you're an idiot. Admittedly,
we have some assorted statements from Vice President JD. Vance
and Secretary of State Mark or Rubio, but those are
not consistent with each other. Vance stresses that Israel should
be grateful for what it's getting, and Rubio stresses the
Mullahs can't be trusted. On top of that, it's not

(02:51):
even clear that both men are defending their own positions,
as opposed to giving their best justification for a position
that Trump shows over their own ones. Missing in the
debate is an argument that makes sense of the Iran
deal in the context of who Trump is, who the
Mullahs are, and the facts on the ground, by which
I mean both the facts over there and over here. Missing,

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in other words, is an element of realism or even
real politique. The debate is mired in ideological slogans the
way the world ought to be. It lacks Machiavelli's appreciation
for the world as it is. I intend to supply
this missing element, and I can't do this without tooting
my own horn a little. I don't like tooting my

(03:35):
own horn. I usually prefer that my previous work stands
on his own. If I was right about Obama. People
will see that if I called it on how fascism
and Nazism are on the left, so be it. If
I was right about the twenty twenty election. The truth
speaks for itself. Yet occasionally I guess we have to
toot our own horns, if only to keep those horns
from getting rusty. Occasionally we can be forgiven it good

(03:58):
old I told you so.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Or see I've been proven right.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
I'll get to that, but first I want to take
note of the fact that the libertarian pundit Dave Smith,
who calls himself somewhat mysteriously a comedian, said I should
retire from politics. Why because I was wrong about the
Iraq War. Basically, I supported the Iraq War because of
apocalyptic claims from the Bush administration. That I changed my
view once I realized these claims were dead wrong. Dave

(04:23):
Smith thinks this ends my credibility, But what about his
credibility and that of his allies like Taker Carlson. Dave
Smith has repeatedly said that I'm quoting him now quote
It's genuinely hard to imagine a worse decision than going
to war with Iran. They pose absolutely no threat to us.
And the war would be a substantially larger catastrophe than Iraq.

(04:47):
In fact, he said it would quote destroy the USA,
And here's Taka Carlson quote. It's worth pointing out that
a strike on the Iranian nuclear sites will almost certainly
result in thousands of America debts at basis throughout the
Middle East. Tucker predicted a wide scale war in the
region that would draw in Russia and China and potentially

(05:08):
escalate into World War three. These guys have been spouting
this nonsense for a year NonStop, and they couldn't be
more wrong. Now it's okay to be wrong, but at
least one should admit when one is wrong. Yet we
have waited in vain for any confessions, any apologias, and
he mea culpas from these pundits. They simply move on
from one false claim to the next, Candice Owen style.

(05:31):
Remember my error on Iraq was twenty years ago, is
now this year with not a hint of self examination.
The underlying theme of this group's commentary on the Iran
deal is that Iran one. This is also the Iranian position,
and it is the left's position. So we have a
weird consensus among Malla's the Democrats and the Tucker Group,

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which Dan Bongino has termed the mother Tuckers. Iran one
Trump lost, an America lost. Yet this position is manifestly absurd.
Remember the Monty Python scene in which the guy without
arms and legs definedly promises to fight on. Iran has
no more one than that guy with no limbs was
the victor of the Roman soldier standing over him with

(06:16):
a bloody sword. There's a memorable scene toward the end
of Homer's Iliad where Hector runs for his life through
the streets of Troy, pursued by a vengeful Achilles. That's
Iran trying to stay alive. But at least Hector knew
he was in trouble. How ridiculous it would be for
Hector to be fleeing in terror shouting I'm winning, I'm winning.

(06:38):
The facts on the ground say otherwise, And so it
is with Iran. In a recent article in the Washington
postmark piece and spelled it out. Iran's nuclear sights have
been so decimated that Iran can't even dig up the
debris to hand it over to the United States. The
US and Israel have taken out eighty five percent of
Iran's industrial base. Iran's navy sits at the bottom of

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the ocean. Its air force has been completely grounded, Its
nuclear facilities, ballistic missile capability, conventional military forces, and infrastructure
have all been decimated. Iran's supreme leader is gone, and
its top leadership has been thinned out. This, of course,
is in addition to Kassam Solamani, Iran's mastermind of terror,

(07:21):
who went by by in Trump's first term. Not since
the Iranian revolution itself, that's half a century ago, has
a US president done more to pulverize and cripple the
Iranian regime. Now, remind me, but wasn't this the goal
of the Iran intervention? Isn't this why we got into
the conflict in the first place. We've accomplished our main goal,

(07:43):
and now we're making a deal on our terms to
finish the job and get out. By the way, I'm
not saying this to reflexibly defend Trump, as some people think.
I said this weeks ago in my monologue on the show,
even before Trump's deal. Here's a short clip of that.
The goal of getting rid of the Mullas, while desirable,
was never the stated motive for US action. The goal

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which Trump and Hexath and Rubio expressed was to paralyze
Iran's military and terrorist and nuclear infrastructure. We've largely done that,
and so it's appropriate to plot out our endgame. I'm
not saying we have to get out now. I'm saying
we should plan to get out soon. So that was
my message, Let's declare victory and come home. We understand,

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of course, that a deal and a potential exit would
keep the Mullahs in power. This has the neocons close
to apoplectic, and also the Iranian exiles and some Iranians
inside the country. Their point is, we came so close.
We almost had the regime change that is our ultimate goal. Now,
I get it. I too would have liked to see
the Mula's gone. But as in Venezuela, US intervention was

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never aimed directly at regime change. It was never presented
to the American people as a project of regime change.
Regime change was a potential out but alas in Iran,
it never materialized. Why not quite obviously, because neither the
US nor Israel is willing to do what is necessary
to achieve it. Neither country is willing to do a

(09:12):
full scale invasion of Iran.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
I think that's what it would.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Take to topple the regime and create a genuine Iranian
counter revolution. Now, admittedly there are cases of regimes collapsing
without external invasion. The Soviet Union collapse partly through Western pressure,
partly through an internal crisis of economics and also of meaning.
The apartheid regime in South Africa too fell through external

(09:36):
pressure and internal ideological angst.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
But there's no crisis of meaning in Iran.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
The Mullahs and their allies have an ironclad will which
is fortified by Islam itself. Some of them are willing
to go to their death rather than surrender. They view
surrender as a defeat for Allah himself, which they will
never countenance. Now, the Nazis too had this kind of
iron will, and look what it took to overcome that regime.
My point is that we are not willing to undertake

(10:03):
that kind of mission in Iran. No one, not even Israel,
is willing to do what it takes to finish off
the Iranian revolution. At one point I wanted if the
Iranian people with themselves rise up, just as the peoples
of Eastern Europe did in the last phase of the
Soviet Empire. I do think there was an opportunity for
the Iranians to do this.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
It's not a mission without risk.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
We saw what happened the last time when the regime
launched a merciless crackdown. But the risk is for the
Iranian people to take if they want their country back.
And at a critical juncture of the Iranian people stayed indoors.
They chose to wait and hope. Some of them even
began to plan for life after the Mullahs. But the
one thing they did not do is confront the regime

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directly and on mus forcing the regime to lash out
and forcing the world to recognize the inherently barbaric nature
of the regime and to do what it would take
to take it out. Here, I want to state the
basic premise of the Reagan doctrine. People must fight for
their own country and their own freedom.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
They fight, and we help.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
The obvious corollary is that if they do not fight,
they cannot expect us to help. We can be expected
to look out for our own interests, but we cannot
be expected to get them out of a horrible situation,
which is quite frankly of their own making. The Iranian
people brought on the revolution and since then they have
had to endure its consequences. You get the revolution you

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fought for. So what is the case for Trump's deal?
Quite simply, it's the best he could do given the
constraints he is operating under. And what about the three
hundred billion the Trump is supposedly gifting Iran. Actually that's
not coming from US to taxpayers, it's not even coming
from the United States. It's basically a combination of giving

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Iran access to its own previously frozen assets, plus opening
the door to private investors and the Gulf States investing
in Iran. But the money only goes to ira if
it complies with the terms of the deal. Iran has
to give up its nuclear aspirations, at least for the
foreseeable future. Iran has to get out of the terrorism business.

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Iran has to stop using proxies to promote revolution. In
some Iran must commit ideological suicide in order to get
its survival money. And if they reneg on the deal,
they don't get the money, they get something else. Instead
of Trump's words, they get bombs on their heads.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
So final it's a memorandum of understanding, and if I
don't like it, we'll go back to shooting at them,
dropping bombs on their head if I don't like it,
if they don't behave, we'll go right back to dropping
bombs right smack in the middle of their head.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
It's a situation somewhat comparable to the one in my
cousin Vinnie. Let's see, do I want my ass kicked
or do I want two hundred dollars? I think I'm
going to go with a two hundred dollars. Iran would
be wise to make a similar choice the money. Let's
be Frank is a carrot that goes with a very
big stick. But who cares if Iran takes the deal
or not? Who cares if they walk out of the

(13:05):
negotiations in Switzerland. In the end, in my view, it's
not even about the deal. Trump has already rearranged the
power structure in the Middle East. The Middle East has
for decades, well even centuries, had three important regional powers,
not counting Israel. They are Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Iran.
In recent decades, Iran was clearly the most powerful. Now

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Iran is the least powerful of the three, and arguably
it has fallen even below countries like Jordan and the
United Arab Emirates. Tiny Qatar is now just as important,
if not more, than Iran. So the United States and
Israel have together reduced Iran to a pale shadow of
what it only recently was. I'm reminded of the Battle

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of Luktra three seventy one BC. Sparta was the dominant
power in Greece. The Spartans seemed invincible, and they had
won the Peloponnesian War against Athens. But at Leuctra, the
Theban warriors defeated Sparta. They dispelled the myth of Spartan invincibility.
Sparta was reduced to a second rate power, and it

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never recovered. Now Sparta's fate is also Iran's fate, and
Iran has been cut down to size with hardly any
loss of life for Israel or America. When in history
has so much been achieved at so minimal a cost
in human casualties. Trump wants Israel to celebrate this achievement,

(14:30):
and it's a big one. Admittedly, many in the net
Yahoo camp want more, but Trump's point is that you
had time to do more.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
And you didn't.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
For Trump, The Iran conflict is on the clock. It's
like the UFC. It's a fight with clear time limits.
It doesn't make sense to demand more when neither country
is willing to pay the price of a ground invasion.
That seems the best, if not the only, way to
get the Malas out. As for the nukes, yes, the
Iranians have not given up. They're determined to try again,

(14:58):
and circumstances they will try again.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
But who can stop this.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
They have the knowledge of how to build nukes, they
have the money from oil revenue to afford it.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
Well.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
The best we can do is to regulate the circumstances
in which they operate. My guess is that the Iranians
will eventually be back at it, but it will take
them a long time to rebuild what they have lost.
We have to be reconciled to this. As Machiavelli tells us,
and as discourses, there are few permanent victories in politics.
At some future time, it might be necessary for us

(15:29):
to claub or Iran again. Let's hope we have the
leadership and the will to do it. My final point
is that the Trump deals, such as it is, will
undoubtedly bring gas prices down, lower food and transportation costs
by lowering energy costs, stabilized global markets, push the stock
market up, and allow Trump to shift his focus to

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domestic issues. And all of this is good for the
Republican Party in the mid terms. But wait, you say,
did Trump say that the midterms had nothing to do
with his decisions? Well, yes, Trump did say that, because,
believe it or not, Trump knows how to be diplomatic,
but in reality, his decisions are affected by domestic politics,
and they should be. Without domestic victories, the Republicans don't

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get the chance to keep their hands on the steering
wheel of foreign policy. Without domestic victories, there's no way
to make America great again, or even to save America.
It makes no sense to save Iran and lose America.
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a native of South Africa. He has in fact some
British as well as some Dutch dissent. He moved to
the United States in twenty nineteen. He applied for asylum
and he's been living in the Great State of Texas.
I wanted to have Jason on. He's been making some
remarkable videos on social media, both about conditions in South

(19:11):
Africa and also his experience in the United States. I
want to cover both of these because I think they're
remarkable chapters in Jason Bartlett's life.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Jason, welcome. Thank you for joining me. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Let me start actually with your experience in America, because
you probably know I'm an immigrant to America. I came
at the age of seventeen. I had heard about America,
but saw it with fresh eyes. Now this is of
course in the very late nineteen seventies and early eighties.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
But I had that.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Experience of having almost stepped into a land of promise
and hope and opportunity and abundance. And I see some
of that same kind of excitement in your videos, obviously
now occurring much much later. So me I begin by
asking you about your first experience of America and what

(20:17):
that was like.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
So my first experience of America was probably in two
thousand and six, I came over to work on contract work.
But skipping to twenty nineteen, this place makes me static
because America, as you know yourself, from an outside perspective,
even though it's portrayed so badly on you know, left
wing media, it's a beacon of hope for billions of people.

(20:44):
I mean in India and Australia and South Africa. People
look at it up and everything's bigger and better, especially
when you go to Texas. I don't live in Texas anymore.
I live in Alabama, But when I was in Texas,
I mean, I've never seen these highways that were everything works,
there's running water, there's always electric. If you call the cops,
they come, And it's just it's the simple things that

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Americans don't seem to notice anymore. They take it for
grante it. But you can just go Walmart eve eleven
o'clock at night and go buy yourself some milk without
being shot, without being raped, without being burgled. I mean,
it's just the small things that you can just walk
around and smile because you're free.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
And you say, I think you're What you're highlighting is
important because when we think, you know, when we go
as tourists to other countries, we we often go to
ancient monuments, so we go to the Pyramids, or we
go to the.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Vatican in Rome.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
I think what you're highlighting is the experience of America
to the ordinary guy, the ordinary outsider who wants to
drive on a smooth road, wants to sit on a
bench that is actually clean, where you can sit without
you know, getting yourself all dirty, let alone having somebody
who's like going to assault you or harass you. If

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you want to get food, you can find it anywhere
in abundance and in great variety in America. And I
think what you're saying is that ordinary Americans are so
used to all of this that they are not surprised
by it anymore.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
Yes, that they're not surprised by it anymore. In the
kindest of way. Americans are some of the most giving
and generous people I've ever met in my life. They
give to so many charities that out of the church
I go to, gives to people all around the world.
And I've got a nice perspective because I don't know
if you know this, but on the first of January first,
twenty twenty, I which was impressed on my heart to

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walk across the country. So I walk with an American
flag and I keep America, had great hat on and
a Bible, and I walked from the Austin Capitol Building
to the White House. And behind me was my now
wife with two ferrets and a cat in the truck,
and she followed me. And I mean I slept in hotels,

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I slept in under the truck, I slept at random
people's houses, and I had thousands of people stopping and
supporting me and praising me, asking me what I'm doing,
And that was to raise a wayness for what happened
in South Africa. And unfortunately my meeting at the White
House didn't go through because COVID came along, and obviously
COVID was more important than anything else in the world.

(23:24):
But the God we serve is so great that that
was my tithing. And now he's open doors. And just
this week that I was in Washington last week, I
invited it up to the White House and up to
the Trump administration and I had approximately a three hour
conversation with them, and they know everything that's going on
in South Africa from someone like me.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
You know, years ago, I had a debate with the
now deceased Reverend Jesse Jackson, and he was reciting a
litany of familiar left wing complaints about an America, and
I made to him the point I'd like to have
you comment on it, that the problem with America is
that Americans judge it by a utopian standard. They judge

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it by a standard of the Garden of Eden or perfection,
or whereas for you and me and many others who
have grown up in a different society. We don't use
this utopian standard. We use the historical or comparative standard,
like compared to what. So if somebody were to say,
you know, there's racism in America, we'd be like, well, yeah,

(24:33):
but have you been to Saudi Arabia? Have you been
to India? Have you seen what it's like someplace else?
So do you agree that that in a way, Americans
are too harsh on themselves because they are measuring themselves
almost by a standard that no civilization has ever achieved,
and it is perhaps even impossible to achieve.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
I agree one hundred percent. The Americans don't even have
a bar to look up at because they are at
the top. So you know, the simple fact that in Washington,
d c. The thing that startled me the most was
you saw white women with handbags and earrings of cell
phones and fancy gassets walking around by themselves in the

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day and at night. I mean, to me, this is
a utopia. My wife can go for a walk by myself.
I can go for a run by myself. You know,
whether it's I get up very early, so if I
go for a run, it's before the sun comes up
and nothing happens to me. The very fact that I
can go to Walmart and I forget to lock my

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truck and my truck's still there when I get back,
or it's not keyed, or the tigers are slip. This
is a utopia. So they need to realize they are
living in an American dream that the fact that you
can just stay alive and not physically get attacked is
pretty awesome to me.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Now there is, isn't there, Jason? An ideological dimension this?
Because you know, the Trump administration has cleaned up Washington, DC,
in fact, brought in the National Guard to do it.
I could name a half dozen cities easily in America
where you would have to be cautious about doing those things.
I mean, you think about Baltimore, you think about Saint Louis,

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you think about downtown Houston, and the common element is
that those are left wing or blue cities.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
In fact, they have been.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
They have let the criminals run a mark, they allow
the homeless to kind of own the place. And so
the kind of America that you're describing, which I think
is traditional America, nevertheless is disappearing in certain parts of
America because of left wing government.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Do you see that? Do you agree with that?

Speaker 4 (26:49):
I'm very fortunate gone. I've been to Los Angeles, New York, Dallas,
I've been a lot of places around the country. And
when I was walking across the country, I found out
very quickly that these big cities that are run by
democrats are not doing well. For example, Memphis. I walked
through Memphis, and I found out pretty quickly that I

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felt like I was back home and I was in danger,
and I rang through Memphis. I didn't walk through Memphis.
So yes, there definitely is a degrading of these cities.
And it's just so sad to see because it's like
a self loathing and self hate. So they're socialist, communist

(27:30):
hearts just starting to eat themselves in devourer. And for me,
it's very simple because there's good and evil. There's no
great art, and when when you suffer from something so evil,
it damages you and you don't see it. So they're
really just eating themselves alive, and unfortunately they're damaging our
lives as well. But denis the biggest and best thing

(27:52):
about America is at least you have a choice. I
chose to come to Alabama, because there's more like minded people,
and it's more safe, and it's also there's a church
on every corner, not a LGBTQ flag flying everywhere, and
supporting transgenders. They still trying to protect that, but it
is under attack. I can clearly see it, even in

(28:13):
the little town I'm living.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Let's talk about South Africa, because because it appears, at
least from my distant perspective, that you have a society
that had all the ingredients of being an immensely prosperous
country in Africa, in fact, a beacon for the rest

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of Africa. The technological underpinning was there, the knowledge underpinning
was there, and at the end of apartheid, it seemed
that with Mandela there was the promise of a kind
of new South Africa. But when we fast forward to
what's been happening, let's say, over the last ten years,
we just see these horrific images of what it seems

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like a run a mock majority that is seizing land,
killing farmers, causing mayhem, and accompanied by that kind of
frightening sense of entitlement which says, I don't have to
build something if I can just go and take it
from someone and that's bad enough, but when the government

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is either condoning it or in on it, it just
creates a much more nightmarish scenario. Tell us a little
bit about what's happening on the ground in South Africa
and whatever happened to that sort of vision that Mandela
seemed to lay out a whole generation ago.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
So South Africa is clearly, very clearly a DEEI project
that has gone completely wrong. People like to talk about
giving the blacks in South Africa reparations, Well, what more
reparations do they want? They got a country, They've got
a full infrastructure that was working. I mean, the very

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first heart transplant that took place in the world happened
in South Africa. So they took these beautiful streets, their
railway system, everything, and they have deteriorated it. There is
no word for maintenance in their languages, so they don't
fix anything, and they just go and they change names.
Where I was originally born was East London, so they

(30:25):
tried to change that to Buffalo City, Fort Elizabeth. Then
they changed it to what's called Nelson, Mandela Bay and Pretoria.
And they spend billions of stolen tax money from the
majority of the tax are paid by the white people
still until this day, and they just steal. They just

(30:47):
they've not built a single thing there, and they've caused
such hate that you get five six year old kids
walking past you and they see you a white person,
and they're doing this to you from the age of
five and six years old. Then they stand up and
they sing, kill the work, kill the farmer.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
To do coumas of the poor, the thema, the poor,
the therma.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
They instigate a full genocide and they also change laws
like the Fellah laws forcing the Afrikaans language out. I mean,
you can literally be a doctor. You can study to
be a doctor in the language of Afrikaans. There's not
many languages that can do that. But you can study
fully to be a doctor in Afrikaans. And that's the
type of thing that they're trying to kill. I've just

(31:44):
spopen to some a dear friend of mine with the
government is trying to close their little Christian school that's
got about fifty students in it. Not harming anybody, but
just don't get any government funds because it's a white
Christian school that wants to focus on Afrikaans. But they
want the Afrikana day and want the white man dead.
So the hate has gone beyond reason. It is now chanting,

(32:07):
you know, kill the white man, kill the farmer. And
the stories that I can give my own testimony what's
happened to my family members, but the messages I get.
I just got one from a very good friend that
I didn't know this happened, but I just found out.
For example, they've broke into his uncle's house. He's like
seventy six years old, and they stole a TV and

(32:30):
they beat him to death with metal pipes and dragged
him out into their field and just left him and
they discovered him a few days later. Stuff like that
is not normal. You take a look at my family,
my cousin. This is the reason in twenty nineteen, I
decided to leave and plead for asylum because we always
used to go and visit. Before I leave to come

(32:51):
and work in America, I used to work on cruise ships.
I would do contracts and every year go back and
I would stay at them and visit them. And as
soon as we landed in Miami, my mother calls me
and says, hey, sit down. I said to Taddy, and
they came five eight black men broke into the house

(33:11):
ransacked the house. But after they did that. Before they
did that, they shot Dion, my cousin threw the back
of the head and the bullet came out the front
of his head. They pushed him into the fire, or
took him and pushed him in the fire, burnt him
with a grid, and urinated on him while they were
singing dive black a die you white. Basnt and his
little eight year old and ten year old daughter were

(33:33):
watching this. Thank the Lord that they weren't raped. But
this the police kept there and they just say it's
a normal breaking. And then my dear wife's grandfather, he
was strangled with the telephone card, burnt with cigarettes, and
urinated on and tortured for hours while they raped over
eighty year old partner in front of him to death.

(33:57):
They literally raped her to death. I mean, that's just
my family, you know. I've got other cousins who have
been hijacked and put into the trunks of their vehicles.
I've got cousins that have been raped. I've got one
personal thing in my family that I don't want to
talk about because my sister is no longer with us. Unfortunately,
she's deceased, and it's just this is an everyday life.

(34:19):
There is not a single white South African that you
can talk to that even if he's a liberal, he
cannot tell you that he has not been directly confronted
with an extremely vident crime. I've been attempted. They've tried
to kill me twice, once on a farm and once
in broad daylight and caketat. So we don't have that
utopian awesomeness that America has where you say, okay, crime

(34:42):
is high in Los Angeles, I'm going to go live
somewhere in Texas. We don't have that because they come
after you. They hunt us like dogs they rarely do.
And then you get the farm in what do you
call it? They fear mongering, Like I've got a very
dear friend who I used to farm with and run
cattle on his spond, but for the last six months,

(35:04):
every single month, he has a female cow that is pregnant,
that is butchered alive, unseen in the middle of the field.
And then they take the fetus and they hang the
fetus over the fence so that they can show the
world or the people that this is a badge of honor.
They try fearmonger the farmers. So you boiling a child

(35:28):
alive in a bath is not normal. Raping people to
death while they're decapitated is not normal. And what's happening
in South Africa is its cimes against humanity and there's
a genocide against the apriclif people to kill the white anthority.
Someone has to say the truth.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
So I'm here, I mean, you are.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Your voice is so important because the things that you're
describing do not make their way into what we call
mainstream media.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
I'm assuming that.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
The reason for this is that there's a great progressive
embarrassment over the kind of barbarism that we see in
South Africa. Now, I suppose that one could take one
of two opposite explanations here, and I think in the
United States and from maybe in Europe you would get both.

(36:18):
So I'd like you to reflect on these two opposing
points of view. One point of view is the white
man is harvesting.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
What he sowed. In other words, you had apartheid.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
These people have obviously been stamped on, they have been
put down, and so they are seething with resentment and
they do all these barbaric things. But the fault is
really not theirs. This is the kind of thing you'd
probably get at like Barred College and a sociology class.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
You know from the professor that.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
This is ultimately the white man's responsibility because of look
at history and look at the long and bitter legacy
of apartheid. Now on the other side, one could look
at the exact same facts of what is happening and
what you've described and draw the opposite lesson which is
this And I say this slightly hesitantly, but I think

(37:09):
it is on people's minds even if they don't say it,
and that is that, you know, you don't have a
lot of examples in Africa of countries that are run
very well. In the case of South Africa, a country
was handed over to the blacks that somebody else built up.
The blacks didn't even have to build it up. They
got it. They it was kind of turned over to them,

(37:30):
and they could have made it a kind of model
for hey, guess what, we are making this a demonstration
project of what a wonderful country we can now make.
But instead they have taken it. It's like taking a
new car and like bashing it up. It's muffler falls off,
the tailpipe doesn't really work, and that's all you have

(37:53):
to show for it, like thirty years later. So in
some ways it almost fortifies the race, says suspicion. These
people can't run a country at all. How do you
kind of process these wildly opposite interpretations of the facts
that you've described.

Speaker 4 (38:14):
Well, Danesh, to approach your first one about a part
tait I mean I was I'm thirty nine years old,
so I believe I was about seven to eight years
old where a partak was ended and the country was
just handed over without a foot of big flood being shot.
So in South Africa, the black people believe that in
a part take, hundreds of thousands of blacks were killed,

(38:37):
but that's not the truth. There was some people killed.
Of course, there were some bad actors. And I'm not
for a parthak because I don't know what a part
take was. I didn't live through it, but I did
see how the country went from you can walk around
at night to you can't walk around in the daytime.
So you know, you've got someone like Shaka Zulu who
is way before a partake and he murdered millions of

(38:58):
these own people they forget to tell. That's that my
great great and says that Petra Tief he was a
Christian man and he went down to the Zoos and
this is way like back in the in the eighteen
hundreds and nineteen hundreds when he had a peace treaty

(39:18):
with Dingan and you know it was going to give
him capitle and debate and talk and say hey, let's
settle and we be peaceful. What happened when he got
there the black guys murdered all of the beast treaty people.
So that the issue about it, Pip Tait is I'll
ask you the same question and I know your answer, aye,
But do you want to live right next door to

(39:39):
a person that feels that it's okay to rape a
two year old baby and slit it to the throat
because I don't want to. I don't want to live
in the same town or the same country as that person.
That's why I'm in America right now because it's a
different standard. And very well, like you said, is there
is no example of a black country in Africa that
is run correct. If they're I say, oh at Egypt

(40:01):
in Africa, well sorry late and gentlemen. Egyptians aren't black,
so it's an extremely violent place. And it's they like
to blame the immigrants now because there's also an immigration
problem because they just left the borders open like the
Biden administration did, and all the people came in because
a part they'd left this wonderful, great country. That's why

(40:22):
so many people came in there to make money. And
now they're blaming them for the violence. But I lived
on the town in a town called Freiberg, right near
the border of Botswana, and when you walk over the border,
literally walk over the border, everything changes. People are peaceful,
people are kind. And then you go to Zimbabwe where

(40:44):
they've got absolutely nothing. They've got nothing, their money's worth nothing,
they are starving to death. You can walk around with
jewelry on and a cell phone and you don't get touched.
So it is a distinctive and intentional hate that is
going on in South Africa. They try to kill the people,
they try to fear among them, and they even try

(41:04):
to destroy their language. So I mean, they can say
what they want. The facts are. They look at the
city of Memphis. It's dangerous because there's black people that
are out there to kill other people. And it's not
my fault. I'm just talking the truth. I had nothing
to do with the party. I was seven years old.
Yet they look at me and they see my color
and they go like this.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
It almost seems like their approach is one of feasting
on a carcass. And by that, I mean they don't
really want to feed the cow. They don't want to
milk the cow. They're willing to let the cow become
thin and emaciated and eventually drop dead because then, like flies,

(41:49):
they can kind of circle around it and feast on
it like while.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
It's still there.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
So it seems like a I mean, this is really
the approach of Barbara, isn't it. It's an approach of
not building anything but just pulling everything down. I'm glad
the Trump administration has opened the door to some South
Africans to get out of there. I mean, these are
the kind of immigrants, it seems that love America, appreciate America,

(42:16):
want to come, want to make things better. I want
you to talk a little bit about your life in
America because there are some people who would say, you know, Danesh,
maybe when you came to America, you know forty years ago,
this was still the land of opportunity, and you've made
a successful life for yourself, but that's all gone now.

(42:38):
I want you to talk about the America that you
came to, and talk a little bit about some of
the things that you've done in America, because it seems
like you have set up a very varied and interesting
life for yourself.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
This smile is as real as can be. That's why
you'll see every phone. Every time I pick up my
phone and I make a video. It's just because I'm
purely great. I am living proof that the American dream
is very much alive and well. It does take a
little blood, sweat and tears and maybe a little bit
more expensive gas than when you were here, but the

(43:12):
opportunity for people like myself that wants to work hard
is endless. I got here and I the first job
I took was in a little town called Shervin, just
north of Dallas, and I was earning twelve dollars an hour.
I now earn more than one hundred thousand dollars a year,
and I own my first house. I've got a wonderful

(43:33):
big truck. My wife drives a nice car. I also
have one hundred and fifty acre farm. I work as
a golf course superintendent. I run sheep and I run
caple and I'm about to boom and start a massive
meat company. As soon as everything just gets in order,
I hopefully I will boom and I plan on becoming

(43:54):
a multimillionaire. And I know I can do it in
America because there's not one hundred and forty six race
laws discriminating me, and people want you to do well.
I mean, we've got black people in our church who
just come up to you at half five and you said,
just go for it, my boy, go for it. And
the best compliment I got from the Trump administration last

(44:14):
week in Washington, DC. They asked me, like, what is
your plans in America? Just like you asked? And I
said to them, I want to start a meat business
that has no hormones in it, that's grass fed and
ethically finished so they don't get too fat and ugly
and lamb and beef. And I want to sell it
to the American peoples because they are under attack. Their

(44:37):
food they eat is unhealthy and it's not good for you.
And there are ways, Yes, well, I be more expensive
than warm, Yes, I will be. But sometimes if you
want to be healthy, you've got to spend a bit more.
I've done that, and I'm way more healthy than I
was when I got you. I mean the American food
system that's given me Sea Act disease. I can no
longer eat bread, and my wife is a baker and

(44:58):
a sushi sheriff, and I I eat bread, and that
made me a little bit angry. And that's why I'm
over there trying to help people like President Donald Trump
and make America great again and Robert Kenny Jr. I'm
trying to make America healthy again. So my life over
here is not being lived for me. And what the
Trump administration said to me, they just smile, and they said,

(45:21):
if that's not America first, then I don't know what is.
Because the immigrants that we want to bring into America
right now, and I talk like an American. I'm not
a citizen yet, but I can proudly say I'm an
American African American because I'm from African and now live
in America, and I am the beacon of hope for

(45:41):
my people because they can see we are here thriving.
I mean, just imagine what South African farmers can add
to America because they are currently still farming in the
worst conditions around barbarians who want to murder them on
a daily basis. They've got twenty foot electric fans, not
to keep lions out, but to keep people out that

(46:03):
could come any time of day. They are still farming
and feeding the very people that are killing them. Imagine
if they come here and they farm over year with
peace and tranquility. I mean, I've literally farmed by myself.
I'm out there all by myself, and it's one hundred
and fifty acres and there's nothing around me, and I
don't feel scared. I mean, I look at the bushes.

(46:24):
I've got a bit of PTSD. I look at the
bushes a lot of the time, and I panic. I
get a bit of a shock and a fear and
an overwhelmingness, and then I just closed my eyes and
I said, thank you Lord saving me and bringing me here.
But obviously I don't want all my South Africans to
leave our country. That's our homeland. We built that place
from barren ground, We trained it, and we built this

(46:46):
magnificent country. There was a time I think it was
about nineteen oh five, that South Africa was richer than America,
our money was worth more than America. And it has
gone down here so fast the last thirty years. That
place has deteriorate it and we need to help them
from here as well. We don't want to take them
all out. I've got some farmer friends who are not

(47:07):
leaving anywhere. They love what I'm doing, but they're not
leaving anywhere, and I need to support them as well.
Like that little school I was talking about, I'm going
to go and make sure that they create a gofund
me and I will push it and I will raise
thousands of dollars for them, I don't mind, so that
they can keep their language and hopefully they'll have more
than fifty students, and hopefully it gets so big that

(47:28):
they know that God is looking after them, and it's
using President Donald Trump to look after good Christian people.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
You know. Listening to you, Jason, I'm struck by the
fact that now, in the time surrounding the World Cup,
you have lots of people pouring into America, and you know,
these aren't just people coming from third world countries because
to some degree you could say, well, they grow up
in such poverty that of course they're stupefied by Castle

(47:59):
or Walmart. But I see people from Norway, from Great Britain,
from France, in other words, from advanced industrialized Western countries
coming to America, and they are quite startled by the
kind of largeness and abundance of America and also the

(48:20):
disarming openness and generosity of the American people. So they are,
even in their short travels here, reinforcing.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
The message that you've been stating.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
As someone who is a recent transplant to this country,
have you been seeing these kind of testimonials And it's
a good tonic for the American soul, don't you think.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
I think like I saw one of my videos on
Jesse Watches on Fox News last night, and I'm like,
oh gosh, that's me again, And I'm like, look, how
many people are doing this? And it's simple things. They
go to a place like BUCkies, you know, like in Texas,
you know what BUCkies it. I mean, it's huge, and
people are just so excited to see it. And people

(49:04):
walk around, like in your town, whether it's a big town,
they're like, hey, man, hey, how are you doing.

Speaker 5 (49:09):
Good morning, And it's like that doesn't happen in England.
I've been to England. That doesn't happen anymore. You get
another you'll get ugly words. If you do the if
you say hello, it's just beautiful.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
Man. That's why almost every video that I've finished, I
just look at the camera and I'm like, America is awesome,
because it truly is. It's just everybody's friendly, everybody's generous,
and also everybody sticks to their own I mean, we
live in the South and we've got these crazy people
that wear blue air and mow hawks, and but they're
not bothering me and I'm not bothering them. They just

(49:42):
leave here in peace. It's that's really awesome. Americans really
need to celebrate their country. And like Jesse Waller said
last night, he says, I can feel change coming in
this country. People have shamed the Americans for absolutely no reason.
But the sad part is it's the Americans who are
shaming the Americans. We just had the UFC at the
White House, which I probably should have stayed for in

(50:03):
eInsight because it was so awesome. I couldn't get tickets
ought to see. But that was the most American thing
I've ever seen. It's not about wasting money. I don't
care about that. America gives so much money to the
wrong places, and Elon must try to clean that up.
President Donald Trump were stopping USA and helping people get
you know, Jender transfers and khakistein and South Africa, and

(50:27):
that he stopped all that, and I think that's great.
But the money that they spent on that UFC fight,
I think it was absolutely worth it, because now the
left is melting down and the conservatives are celebrating America
because America is awesome. We need to celebrate what we
have right here because people don't realize there is no

(50:49):
other place like America. There's no other place that experiences
so much freedom and safety in the entire world. I've
been privileged enough to travel to over fifty countries, and
this is the best country in the world. You know.
To me.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
The UFC thing, the reason it's aggravating the left is
it is a kind of open display of i'd call
it working class masculinity. And those are the key phrases,
right The working class, which has in many cases been
neglected derided over many decades, finally gets to have sort

(51:26):
of one of its own events.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
And second of all, masculinity.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
I mean, had if it was the Biden administration, they
might have had, you know, the we're going to be
creating a giant daycare around the White House to sort
of celebrate working women, and and of course the media
would be praising this as a kind of great symbol
of the age. So I think it's the in your
face working class masculinity that's giving the left these tremors.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
And you're quite right, I'm enjoying it for that reason alone.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Even if I wouldn't be at that event, I'm glad
they did it us. It is celebrating a part of
America that has been suppressed, has been insulted, has been
put down, continues to be put down. And like every
college and every university, so there is a project to
revive America. But I think the wonderful news, Jason is
you're part of it. You're a newcomer, but you've become

(52:19):
part of this revival of this country that is a
big political project.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
So thank you for joining me. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
Thank you, Denesh. This place is absolutely awesome. I really
love it. And you know, the people can follow me
on x and they can see like a real person
and what I do and what makes America on the
day to day basis, this place is thriving. Trump's America
has become a Christian America, but videos of Christian music

(52:48):
being sung all over Washington, d C. So it is
a privileged to be with someone like you who just
wants to spread the word of God and also spread
and unite us. You know'd say, hey, we in America,
we fought are by foreign as, We're not from you, Like,
we need to start realizing what we have in America.
And I think the time it's come they to celebrate themselves.

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