April 9, 2026 • 38 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too.
This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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a little thing we like to call the after party.
This is the show after the show, the party after
the party, the bridge to get you from one full
episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard, to dig
into the dirt. Our mission here to uncover the truth,
to confront the myth, and to reclaim the story. On
this bonus episode, we've got some big news to announce.
In We're doing a recap on Patti Smith and the
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true crime and Grime at the Chelsea Hotel back in
the day, previewing next week's episode on Grace Jones. Plus
we get into your email's comment dms, and as always,
a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for
the musically obsessed, the outsiders, and the independent thinkers who
know that the best history is the history that gets buried.
Disgraceland is where I tell the stories they didn't want told,
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the kind you'll end up telling someone else, all Right, discos.
Let's get into it. Happy first week of April discos. Listen,
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I've got some exciting news for you that I've been
having a hard time keeping quiet about, and I'm gonna
spill it right here, right now. Disgraceland and Hollywood Land
are now part of the Exactly Right Network and the
iHeart Podcast Network. Exactly Right is the production company founded
by two badasses named Karen Kilgarriff and Georgia Hardstack, who
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the world knows as the wildly successful hosts of the
My Favorite Murder podcast. I've been friends with Karen and
Georgia for a while now. They were two of the
first established podcasters to support Disgraceland. Back in the first
month of Disgraceland's existence, they talked about the show on
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their podcast on My Favorite Murder. They appeared with me
a couple years later, about a year and a half
later at my book signing in Los Angeles. They had
me guest on an episode of My Favorite Murder a
couple of years after that, and we always kind of
felt like we were going to eventually work with each
other in some way, and now we are. Exactly Right
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is part of the iHeart Podcast Network, so that means
that Disgraceland is now once again part of iHeart, and
I could not be happier about that. I had the
best time working with iHeart previously. The folks over there
who worked there, they really really know how to support talent.
So this is a match made in podcasts heaven, as
somebody said a couple weeks ago. So what does all
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this mean for you guys, the listeners, Well, it means
that you're with me as always, and now a bunch
of other potentially new fans of Disgraceland who are going
to hear about this show now on a regular basis
from the folks at Exactly Right and iHeart, and we're
all going hand in hand, full steam ahead into this
next phase of the show together. The Murder Renos, the
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fans of My Favorite Murder, are some of the most
passionate podcast and true crime fans on the planet, And
like Karen and Georgia, I know that they have great
taste in music. So the ones that I've met have
told me this, the ones that I've spoken to online
I can tell so this is really really going to
be a great partnership. We've got some exciting conversations going
on about how to grow Disgraceland even bigger than it
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already is, about potential new content, new storytelling. Maybe I'll
start making some more appearances out there in the world
this year and on other podcasts. I'm not really sure
yet what I'm going to be doing, but all I
know is that it just feels good to once again
have partners to help myself and the folks over here
at Double Elvis. And the fact that it's these partners,
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partners who really get the show, partners who really get
me as a creative person. I am just stoked, okay,
and I think you guys are going to be stoked
as well with the results. Now, if for some reason
you have not heard of or heard my Favorite Murder,
it's quite literally one of the biggest podcasts on the planet.
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What Karen and Georgia have built with their show and
now with the Exactly Right network is super impressive. I
was out at their studio in La a couple of
weeks ago, and I was blown away by their growing
empire and also frankly by the folks who work at
Exactly Right. They couldn't have been cooler or more supportive
of Disgraceland and Hollywoodland. They're true fans. Same goes for
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the iHeart folks that I ran into in Austin a
few weeks before that. When I was out in La
Though at Exactly Right, I sat down to film an
episode of My Favorite Murder with Karen and Georgia that's
out today. You can watch that on Netflix right now,
or listen to it on Apple Podcasts or in the
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iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. This interview, though,
it's going to give you, guys, some insight into our friendship,
how it's grown over the years, and likely some history
on Disgraceland that you've never heard before, so check that out.
Disgraceland has been independent since twenty twenty three, and we've
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had a lot of offers to partner with folks at
some pretty awesome networks podcast professionals who are making great,
award winning culture shifting content. But in the end, we
decided to go with exactly Right in iHeart, mainly because
of the comfort level that I have with these folks
as a creator, as a writer, as an artist, as
a podcaster. Karen Georgia, the folks at Exactly Right Now,
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they really understand the show and the absolute pros overt.
iHeart totally understand talent and how to give talent the
right tools to grow. So that's why we made this
jump when we made it, and you can hear it
in my voice. I'm stoked, Zeth, Matt, Jamie, everybody here
at Double Elvis. We're all super excited and you're gonna
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get some of that excitement in the Netflix my favorite
murder interview that's up on Netflix right now, and also,
like I said, it's available in audio wherever you get
your podcasts, so check that out. You know what else
is available right now? Something else that I'm very excited about,
something that we've been working very hard on these last
few weeks, harder than we not to say that we
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don't give every episode our all, but something about this
Patti Smith story really really pulled us in and it's
a unique take on her story that you're not going
to get anywhere else. I'm pretty pretty hyped on the
production and what Matt put together with the score and
the audio, and we worked with our old friend Ryan
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on this score as well, and just cannot wait for
you to hear this Patty Smith episode of Disgraceland. If
you have not already. Now, if you have heard it,
you're fully aware of how this is a true crime story.
But if you haven't, you might be saying to yourself,
wait a minute, Patty Smith's story is true crime. Patti
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Smith didn't kill anyone. Patty Smith was never busted for
anything serious. So how is Patti Smith a subject of disgraceland. Well,
as you'll hear when you listen, or as you might
have already heard, Patty Smith's story is steeped in true crime. Kidnapping,
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Charles Manson, the Son of Sam chalk outlines of dead
bodies on the New York streets, blood splattered walls, junkie poets,
shotgun wielding novelists. This episode has it all, with the
godmother of punk at the center of it. You're gonna
dig it, trust me now. Patti Smith's story takes place
in part at the Chelsea Hotel in the late sixties
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and early seventies, a hotel where a lot of great
culture was created, a lot of drugs were taken, some
people died, some people lived to tell about it. And
because of all this this lore, the Chelsea has been
depicted in numerous movies, some good, some bad. And Zeth
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and I are going to talk about our favorites in
the exclusive section of this after party. Go to disgracelandpod
dot com to sign up to become an all access
member of Disgraceland to unlock exclusive content like this plus
ad free listening. Okay, new Patti Smith, that's the episode
in your feed right now. Rewind episode coming this Sunday.
Yes again, if you didn't get the message last week,
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Rewinds are now on Sunday. The Rewind episode this week
right after this after party bonus episode that you are
listening to our rewind episode, We're dipping back into our
archive of over two hundred and fifty episodes to bring
you our Taylor Swift story and the batshit craziness that
involves her many many stalkers and the links Taylor Swift
(09:15):
has had to go through to just keep making music
and you know, keep yourself safe. You're not gonna want
to miss this if you haven't heard it, and if
you have heard it, you know it's there for you
to check out again on new Sunday. Sundays are a good,
good podcast listening day. They really are got to breakaway.
I know, I know everyone's got their routines, you know,
but I'm typically making podcasts during the week. You know,
(09:37):
I don't have a commute, so I'm i'm I'm listening
on Sundays. Maybe you're like me. I don't know. Let
me know. Let me know when you listen to podcasts,
and how what your podcast listening routine is. I'm curious
six one seven, nine oh six six sixty three eight
voicemail antext at Disgrace Lampod on the socials. Hit me
up in the Patreon chat as well. That's a surefire
way to get my attention quickly. But back to the
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agenda here, We've got, like I said, Patty Smith, new
episode right now, Taylor Swift rewind coming up next after
this bonus after party, and then next week our new
episode on Grace Jones. And I don't know about you guys,
but for me, growing up in the eighties and the nineties,
I was kind of like, who the hell is this person?
Who is Grace Jones. She's beautiful, she's hot, she's sexy,
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but she's also masculine, you know, but this is weird contrast.
And she was in the eighties and nineties, more so
the eighties, she was everywhere, But I was always kind
of like, what the hell, what does she do? What's
her thing? Is she a singer? Is she an actor?
Is she Max Headroom's mistress? Why do I care? Why
don't I care?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
More?
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Well, we dug into Grace Jones and surprise, there's a
bunch of true crime at the core, at the heart
of her story. And bonus, I got to learn more
about this incredible artist when we got into making this episode.
So when you're listening to it, when you listen to
the new episode on Grace Jones next week and thinking
about Grace Jones and her multi hyphenate career, try to
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answer this question, which of your favorite musicians successfully made
the transition to acting or conversely, which of your favorite
actors or successfully made the transition to becoming a rockstar?
Six one seven nine oh six six six three eight
(11:27):
call me, leave me a voicemail with your answer, send
me a text if you're shy, hit me up at
Disgrace lamp Pod on the Socials, Disgrace Lampod at gmail
dot com on email. All right, disc goes, I want
to hear from you guys right now. Actually, so six
one seven nine o six six six three eight to
get in touch your voicemails and texts on last week's
Question of the Week on the other side.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Of this break.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Okay, so you want to be a rock and roll star,
then listen now here what I say. I'm in the
phone booth. It's the one across the hall disco six
one seven nine oh six six six three eight. Last
week's Question of the Week was all about your favorite
musician memoirs, inspired by our episode on Patti Smith and
her incredible memoir Just Kids. Won the National Book Award
(12:22):
for that, and I asked you guys what you thought,
and you gave me some great answers on your favorite
music memoirs. Let's hear from Daniel in the seven oh seven.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Hey, Jake, this is Daniel from beautiful sunny Humble County, California.
Thank you climate Change. Not sure if you've ever had
a seven oh seven area call before, but here you go.
So as to the autobiography question, flash suggestion. I've been
very much enjoying the punk and pre punk bands of
the seventies you've been covering, and just this last month
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I read the book cheat Uh Chrome, a Dead Boy's
Tale by the guitarist of the Dead Boys, who he
was originally from Rocket from the Tunes, but then he
joined the Dead Boys, which was a very early, very
engaging punk band in the mid early seventies, very much
a part of that whole New York CBGV Maxis Kansas
(13:15):
City time and place. That's so fascinating. And you've been
covering a lot of he knew and he ran, and
he played with all of those key bands, you know,
Ramon's Iggy Pop, the Guys from the Dolls, Johnny Thunders,
Rich a hell from TV television. I mean, and you
know the book is in it's equal parts of self serving, vulnerable, egotistical,
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all the classic rock and roll punk stuff we know
and love. So that's kind of my suggestion. It's a
little bit of a deep cut Dead Boys not really
talked about enough as a band.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
So cool.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Thank you, Buck.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Daniel, Daniel Daniel, thank you for your voice memo in
reminding me that we need to do an episode on
the Dead Boys, or perhaps just on Stive Baters. But
this sounds like the main research source is Cheetah Cromb's book,
which you're mentioning here, And I appreciate you for that
I've always wanted to do an episode on Stive Baters.
This is one of the first I considered doing way
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back in the day, prior to that first batch of stories.
It was on the list with Jerry Lee, Lewis, Sid
and Nancy, the Norwegian Black Metal Murders, Sam Cook, Lisa Lefti, Lopez,
all that stuff, and the Dead Boys were on that list.
I think because I don't remember if I read about
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Stive Bader's death for the first time in the Legs
McNeil's Please Kill Me, but that book was instrumental in
getting me to start this podcast, and just the idea
that the way I heard it or read it, I
can't remember, Stive Baters was hit by a car and
refused to go to the hospital. She used to punk
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rock or whatever, and ended up succumbing to his injuries
and dying, which is just mind blowing to me. And
I'm sure that's all in Cheetah Crome's memoir and I
can't wait to get into it. Thank you Daniel for
your voicemail. Appreciate it all. Right, same subject, Let's go
to the nine one six.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Hey, Jake, this is mister Taylor from Raleigh, North Carolina
calling in to respond to the question of the week
about the best rock and roll autobiographies or memoirs. And
I guess, if I was being cheeky, I would say
Cash by Johnny Cash. But it's not. It's not even
a rock and roll memoir. Quite frankly, the book is
Born Standing Up by Steve Martin. You know, I read
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this when I was starting to get into stand up
comedy and was doing some shows locally, and I wanted
to go back and read about the great comedy luminaries.
And quite frankly, I didn't even understand Steve Martin when
I was a kid in the nineties. He was already
into his Father of the Bride Cheaper by the Dozen phase.
But I went read the book and it's incredible, And
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you know what struck me it was so interesting is that,
you know, Steve Martin got a job at Disneyland when
he was ten years old. He worked there till he
was eighteen. By the time he was twenty, he was
doing a dozen shows a week at the Magic Store
at Nottsberry Farm. I mean, if you want to think
about it, the Milcolm Gladwell sence, I mean, he got
his ten thousand hours by the time he even reached maturity,
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so it's no surprise that he burst onto the scene.
He was a fully formed comedian and was a rock
star in his own right, so much so that he
quit comedy when he was thirty years old at the
peak of his powers. And it was just a fascinating book,
an amazing read. Steve Martin has become just such a
big part of pop culture and comedy and film, but
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I didn't really understand his position in the world of
creating the idea of rock star comedians. So it was
a great book. Highly recommends. Appreciate everything you do RockA
ROLLA nine one six.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
This is another one that I'm grateful to be reminded
of the Steve Martin. Well, he's a musician actually, but
more comedian and I've heard this is fantastic. It's one
of those things that numerous people have told me about.
I seem to always forget about it, and to be honest,
I'm not always looking for music content in my spare
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time to sit back and chill with, but this one
seems to be special, so I appreciate you bringing it
to my attention. And no shade on the Johnny The
Johnny Cash autobiography is mentioned all the time because it's
truly great. You can ask John Cusack's character in High
Fidelity about it. It's that great line I've read books
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or whatever he says. And by the way, High Fidelity
is the next movie that we are covering in our
video podcast on great movie soundtracks and scores that's going
to be coming your way at the end of this month.
Go to disgrace impod dot com to become an all
access member to cop that content. Let's now, however, go
to the nine to seven to zero. Nine to seven
(18:00):
to zero had a great memoir recommendation, Matt, this is
a voice memo, not a voicemailble go ahead and find
that and play that for us, please.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Jake Artist Memoirs, rock and Roll Memoirs, Okay, Bill Graham
My Life Inside Rock and Out his memoir of being
born into Nazi Germany just before.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
The war, being half a step ahead of the Nazis,
through the war, landing in an orphanage up the Hudson
River like Schenectady, getting adopted and brought to the Bronx,
learning about Latin music while living in the Five Boroughs
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bouncing around being an actor, doing other things.
Speaker 7 (18:51):
Finally landing on the West Coast and really hitting his
stride at about thirty three years old, when he found
all of the San Francisco musicians had no fucking business
sense and they're getting their asses kicked in the business world.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
And then he went on to change the world. His
memoir also speaks about things like when to know how
to get off the wheel, and people howled when he
closed the Filmore East and the Fillmore West and stopped
certain other projects, but he knew better, he had a sense,
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and then how to deal with conflict.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
And what fucking big balls he had. So that's the
one that I would recommend. Bill Graham My Life Inside
Rock and Out.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Oh yes, Bill Graham. Bill Graham's autobiography. Bill Graham, great
rock and roll promoter, one of the best, guy who
kind of broke the mold, guy who kind of invented
the business in a lot of ways. I read this
book in high school, one of the of the I
think I read it right around the time I read
Helter Skelter, and I never think of of how formative
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Bill Graham's autobiography he is to this show. But pretty
damn formative. I'll never forget his depiction nine to seven
zero of Otis Redding and seeing Otis Redding live for
the first time on his stage, and he describes him
as pure sex. And I read that as like a
(20:18):
fifteen year old and I didn't know what to what
to make of that. I didn't know what he meant.
I didn't know what I didn't know, and then I
started I think I saw the Otis Redding. I know, yeah,
I did. I saw the Otis Redding live at Monterey Footage,
and I got it. I was like, oh shit, I
know what Bill Graham was talking about. Great book. Bill
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Graham will be an episode of Just Gray Sam at
some point. Thank you. Nine to seven zero, all right
six one seven nine oh six six six three eight,
Send me a voicemail, send me a text. If you're
shy five one two Allison hits us up. Hey, I'm
super excited about the new season. Teresa, Teresa, I think
she means there there are some great story about Rookie
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ericson Rocky Erics. Excuse me, it is a ridiculous arrest
and stint at the mental hospital. That's gonna be uh yeah,
that's that's coming eventually. Not on our list of next episodes.
We'll be covering that story soon enough, Allison, thank you
so much. Erica from the seven to one nine is
recommending a Girl in a Band by Kim Gordon, which
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I own. I've yet to read it. I've skimmed it.
And now this Courtney Love interview with Billy Corgan, it's
got me one. It's it's so kind of Caddy. I
shouldn't be into it, but I'm just, I'm just I
got I got a lot of Kim Gordon intrigue right now.
The fact that Courtney Love is talking shit about Kim
(21:44):
Gordon makes me kind of like Kim Gordon even more,
if that makes sense. I mean, Courtney Love not the
most reliable narrator, though I'm endlessly fascinated by her. And
there will be an episode on Kim Gordon at some point,
and I don't know what it's gonna be, but I
know I know that there's some them true crime there.
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If there is for Patty Smith, there's gonna be for
Kim Gordon. That's all I gotta say. So we're gonna
figure that one out. Four, two five, Hey, Jake. Julia
from Seattle listening to the Patti Smith bit and it
brought me back to La nineteen seventy eight when I
got to see Patti Smith outside the Hollywood Liquorice Pizza
record store. It was insane. We're huge fans. And later
that summer, my crew and I saw television at the
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Roxy just kitty corner to the Licorice Pizza. Such great
music rock a ROLLA yeah, wow, that's something you saw
some seminal rock and roll there, unreal. Thanks for the
text six one seven nine oh six six six three eight.
Guys who want to hit me up on anything, that's
how you do it via the voicemail and the text
(22:47):
can also email me Disgrace Lampod at gmail dot com. Okay,
this email comes from Scott Harwood, who writes in Rock Memoirs.
Dave Grohl. I haven't read this yet. I'm reading it
for the first time now. On the mic, message says, hey,
I'm a sixty eight model gen X who grew up
in that sweet spot of being thirteen when no one
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here gets out alive. Came out and like most teenage
boys at that time, Jim Morrison was my north star
to the point that I spent the last three years
of high school in military school. I wanted to recommend
Set the Knight on Fire by Doors guitarist Robbie Kreeger.
He does a fantastic job of realigning the myths with
things such as telling us why Jim would have hated
being called Lizard King and why or how the lyrical
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mishap on ed Sullivan Girl we Couldn't get much higher
was an innocent mistake of muscle memory responding to stage
fright and nervousness. It wasn't some glorious act of rebellion
against the establishment. Things like that a fantastic read that
I really needed as a fifty ish gen xer. Also,
don't be too hard on Dave Grohl. I grew up
in his neighborhood at the same time, and yeah, he
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has a huge ego, and deservedly so, and his nice
guy image has certainly sharpened the knives going into him now.
At the end of the day, he's a married rock
star who cheated on his wife, and I defy you
to name five rock stars who never cheated. And when
you can't, ask yourself why Grohl is catching so much
more shit than the others. He was very close to
his mother and his drummer. He lost them both within
(24:17):
a short period of time. Yeah, and his drummer. He
lost them both in the short period of time. Maybe
give them a little slack. If not, maybe give him
some space rather than comments and judgments. Have I been
unfairly judgmental Dave Grohl as a person? I don't think
I have at all, And I've already written the Foo
Fighters episode, and I think you're going to be. I
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don't want to give it away, Scott, but you know
I'm fair, I'm fair, and you're absolutely right about you know,
a guy cheating on his wife, a rock star, excuse me,
cheating on his wife. And it's hard for me to
go there. I mean because look, I think Dave Groll
gets maybe more shit for that than most rock stars do,
(24:58):
because he has such the nice guy image. But dude,
we like I'll do full episodes on musicians and never
once mentioned the infidelities. For some reason, the Dave Grol thing,
it's it's so much part of the story right now,
and I think Dave Groll really wants to show his
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family and his fans that he's earnestly trying to get
by this, and I'm not gonna fault him for that.
I mean, I'm not even it's just wait, just wait
for the episode. I don't want to burn it here.
But Scott, everybody else, you know, I love Dave Grohl.
I grew up with Dave Grohl, not like you did
in the same neighborhood, but we all feel like we
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grew up with Dave Grohl. And you know, whether this
was however, people people have these sort of what's the
word parasocial relationships with rock stars where they really feel
like they know them, and then when they fall it
hurts in a different way. And I think that's part
of what's going on here. But again, I'm not excusing it.
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And as far as judgment goes, you're gonna have to
hear the episode that's coming up in a couple weeks.
Disgrace Lampod at gmail dot com. You guys want to
get in touch with me, can also dm me at
disgracelam pod. On the subject of music memoirs, Paula Cook
writes it, Hey, there's a new book by Robbie Robinson
talking about his relationship with Martin Scorsese. Paula, I know
(26:29):
it well well, not well enough. I have that book
literally on my nightstand. It's on a stack of books,
part of a stack of books that I have not
read yet that I want to read before I go
on vacation this summer, so that then I can get
my vacation books all lined up. You know what I'm saying.
These are the books before the books, so to speak,
and I'm woefully behind. But this one, the Robbie Robertson
(26:51):
the Cocaine Book, as I'm calling it, top of the list.
Thanks for the reminder. Paula Cook on where are We Facebook?
Paula Facebook, Paula Cook, thank you. All right, guys, were
gonna come back on the other side with some music recommendations.
(27:17):
All right, guys, welcome back. As you may or may
not know, I was on the Hollywoodland Rap Party this
week doing a little music recommendation bit with Zeth. So
Zeth takes into account our Hollywood and true crime story
from our archive that week, and he creates two new
episodes to accompany hit the Rap Party, in the Screening
(27:37):
Room and in the Rap Party. I'm appearing now regularly again.
Once again, I was doing this prior. I'm going to
continue to do it now because we needed an expansive
place to talk about our recommendations, not just for music,
but for film as well. And Zeth has this really
kind of unique way of being able to tie the
history of film to these questions. These prompts get me
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thinking about music in a new way. And he somehow
got this week from because we did the George rees
episode in Hollywood Land. George Reeves, of course played Superman
and there's that whole crime around his story. Anyways, Seth
somehow connected that to actors who make the leap to
(28:20):
doing big, big superhero roles and how that relates to
indie bands making the leap to major labels. And the
question was, you know which, to me, which of those
bands albums would I recommend? So we got into that
over there, and it really had me thinking about a
lot of the hardcore stuff and indie stuff that I
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was into in the nineties. I don't want to say
friends of ours, but people we kind of knew from
the hardcore scene who were getting signed beyond the indie
labels that we were on the to these major labels,
and what our reactions to those records were at the time.
And it was a fascinating conversation. Super grateful for Zeth's
(29:01):
big brain for finding a way to get me into
it that way. Check that out. That's the rap Party.
You can just search Hollywood Land and Apple Podcasts or
the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts, and
you'll find a bunch of archive episodes there, plus new
ones every week that we're doing. And I use that
as an excuse to recommend I'm not gonna talk about here,
(29:22):
to recommend a TV show that is blowing my mind.
I love it so much. And no, it's not Love Story.
In our text thread, Zeth, myself and Matt are production
slash editorial text thread that we have going every week. Wait,
I want to read it to you because it's just perfect.
This is from Matt and Matt mixes all these episodes
(29:45):
anywhere its and hey, every rap party and after party
conversation lately is just an incremental process of Jake grooming
Zeth to watch Love Story. Ah, I swear that's not
what I'm recommending. Over there, he's gone Love Stories. It's
it's over man, Let it go, Let it go. Okay, So,
(30:07):
but there's something else that I think is actually better.
I got some good TV going on right now, and
I'm talking about that with Zeth in the wrap party.
But I'll also right here i'll talk about I'm loving
DTF Saint Louis. I know a lot of you probably
are as well. It started out slow for me. I
barely I was barely able to hang on, but I'm
so glad that I did. Jason Bateman is on another
(30:29):
level lately. Man just just so so incredibly talented. He's talented.
His acting talent I think has reached a stage of
excellence that is beyond words. For me, I can't actually
describe it. I attempt to in the bonus section of
this after party a little bit with Zeth because we
(30:50):
get into it a little bit. I don't know. I'm
interested to know if you guys are watching the show
six one seven nine, I was six six six three eight,
and what you think really interesting music choices by the way,
Some they hit the ball out of the park. Some
I'm just I'm just like, what what what is that?
Speaker 8 (31:06):
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Man? I don't know. It's it's compelling though either way.
But back to music recommendations. We're gonna do, We're gonna do,
We're gonna play an old song new song here. Okay,
the new song that I'm recommending this week that I'm
listening to is Denial is a River by Doci Now
Florida hip hop artist here. This sounds very much like
(31:28):
a nineties New York hip hop artist. She fucking kills.
She's incredible. This song is amazing. This song is. It's
not super new, it's from twenty twenty four, but all
her stuff, her newer stuff, her older stuff, it is
all great. This song is filthy jay Z, not filthy
like just in like a sex way, but just in
like a real kind of just in a real way.
(31:50):
It's a jay Z early Kanye Salt and Peppa, Missy Elliott.
It's all here. But this is it's it's more modern.
I almost said fresh, I didn't, and I know a
lot of you already know about this, and then I'm
late to the party. But I don't care. This shit rules.
I love it Doci, Sean Hastings. If you're listening, go
(32:10):
get that. Anyone else check it out. Old song wreck
Ryan Paris dolce Vita. Now. I don't know anything about
this song except that it came out in nineteen eighty
three and I heard it in some TV show probably
ten years ago. I don't know anything about this artist either.
This is Italian disco. Listen to this song. First of all,
(32:30):
this song is a great sort of mixed starter, all right,
like playlist starter, because it's going to cool you into
a bunch of disco that you've probably never heard of before.
Because this song is obscure ish, people who are into
disco are going to know this, and people who are
into Italian disco are definitely going to know this. But
this song will just make you feel awesome. It'll make
you feel like you know, it'll just no matter where
(32:52):
you are, you're gonna feel like you're in a cool
robe next to a pool at a party with some
really good looking people. That's what this song does. It's
so good. You know that meme that's been going around
the last like twelve months of the two Italian dudes
like smoking cigarettes, you know, you know, off the on
the coast of the Mediterranean. They're just kind of bobbing
(33:12):
their heads to some cool disco. This is the shit
those guys were at one point listening to. I guarantee
it okay. Ryan Paris's Doulce Vita check it out all right.
Earlier in this episode, we were talking about Patti Smith
in the Chelsea Hotel, and for good reason. The Chelsea
is where a large portion of Patty's story or formative story,
(33:35):
i should say, it takes place. And there's a lot
of media, great media that has come out of that
time that Lore and Zeth and I are going to
try to sift through some of it in the exclusive
section of the after Party coming up in just a
few moments. If you're new to the show and you're like,
what is the exclusive section? What the hell are you
(33:57):
talking about? Well, we do a little exclusive content every month.
Every week here in the after Party, you get a
little bit plus you also monthly get access to our
video podcast. This film should be played loud, and you
get access to the Disgraceland Chat and all the Disgrace
and listeners who are hanging out in there. Go to
disgracelandpod dot com to sign up to become an all
(34:19):
Access member. There's all kinds of different tiers and levels
you can sign up. You can even become a free
member if you want. Get in there and we're gonna
give you some stuff on the Chelsea that I guarantee
you you probably have not heard of before. All right,
and take a quick break, be right back. All right, guys,
(34:47):
we are back, and before we recap and get out
of here, I want to tell you about our archive.
Most of you know about the archive. If you don't
know about the archive, well, basically you're missing out on
about two hundred and fifty stories artists from every genre
and the true crimes that they've either committed or have
affected them in some way. It doesn't matter what genre
of music you are interested in, you're going to find
(35:08):
an artist from that genre in our archive. Amy Winehouse,
Grateful Dead, Tina Turner, Ike Turner, Chuck Berry, The Beatles,
The Stones, Azzy Metallica, It goes on and on, Motley Crue,
so Many Me as a PoTA from the Gets, Lana
del Rey, Travis Scott, on and on and on. Get
(35:31):
into the archive, see what we've been up to for
the past few years here in Disgraceland and let us
know what you think. Hit us back six one seven
nine oh six six six three eight, voicemail and text
if you got any questions about artists that you maybe
want to listen to in Disgraceland. But can't find hit
me up. I'll point in the right direction or somebody
will here at Double Elves, And as always, Matt will
(35:52):
pull a couple of these stories and put the episode
information in the show notes of this yere after party.
All right, let's recap number one this week Patti Smith.
Our new episode, it's available for you to listen to
right now. Our rewind episode coming on Sunday. It's on
Taylor Swift. You're not gonna want to miss that. Next week,
our new episode on Grace Jones. Number four is Zeth
(36:12):
gives you those Hollywood and crime vibes over in the
Hollywood Land feed, So make sure you're subscribed to Hollywood
Land wherever you get your podcasts. Number five, this film
should be played loud. Our video podcast, our new episode
on The Big Lebowski that's available for you to check
out right now. And we got a new one coming
for you in a couple of weeks on what are
we doing? What are doing? High fidelity, high fidelity, That's
(36:33):
what we're doing in this film should be played loud
six one seven nine oh six six six three eight.
Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of
music history. So keep calling, guys, keep texting, keep sending
us your answers to this week's question of the week
or whatever else you want to talk about. And don't
forget this isn't just content. It's community, a community the obsessed.
And no one cares about music, books, records and the
(36:54):
crime and grime that ties them all together like you do.
And well that's a disgrace, all right. Back on March second,
nineteen seventy eight, Patti Smith released the song Because the
Night and reclaimed New York nights for lovers from the
fear of the Son of Sam. And here's what America
was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard Charts.
(37:15):
Number one, Love is Thicker than Water Andy Gibb last
week one, peak position one weeks on chart nineteen. Number
two Night Fever Begs last week five, peak position two
weeks on chart week six, number number three. Sometimes when
(37:36):
We Touched Dan Hill last week three, peak position five
weeks on chart weeks on sixteen, Number four. Emotion Samantha
Sang last week full of peak position four weeks on
chart seventeen, number number five.
Speaker 8 (37:57):
Last week, Quit talking and start mixing.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
Could
Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too.
This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
(00:30):
a little thing we like to call the after party.
This is the show after the show, the party after
the party, the bridge to get you from one full
episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard, to dig
into the dirt. Our mission here to uncover the truth,
to confront the myth, and to reclaim the story. On
this bonus episode, we've got some big news to announce.
In We're doing a recap on Patti Smith and the
(00:51):
true crime and Grime at the Chelsea Hotel back in
the day, previewing next week's episode on Grace Jones. Plus
we get into your email's comment dms, and as always,
a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for
the musically obsessed, the outsiders, and the independent thinkers who
know that the best history is the history that gets buried.
Disgraceland is where I tell the stories they didn't want told,
(01:14):
the kind you'll end up telling someone else, all Right, discos.
Let's get into it. Happy first week of April discos. Listen,
(01:34):
I've got some exciting news for you that I've been
having a hard time keeping quiet about, and I'm gonna
spill it right here, right now. Disgraceland and Hollywood Land
are now part of the Exactly Right Network and the
iHeart Podcast Network. Exactly Right is the production company founded
by two badasses named Karen Kilgarriff and Georgia Hardstack, who
(01:58):
the world knows as the wildly successful hosts of the
My Favorite Murder podcast. I've been friends with Karen and
Georgia for a while now. They were two of the
first established podcasters to support Disgraceland. Back in the first
month of Disgraceland's existence, they talked about the show on
(02:19):
their podcast on My Favorite Murder. They appeared with me
a couple years later, about a year and a half
later at my book signing in Los Angeles. They had
me guest on an episode of My Favorite Murder a
couple of years after that, and we always kind of
felt like we were going to eventually work with each
other in some way, and now we are. Exactly Right
(02:41):
is part of the iHeart Podcast Network, so that means
that Disgraceland is now once again part of iHeart, and
I could not be happier about that. I had the
best time working with iHeart previously. The folks over there
who worked there, they really really know how to support talent.
So this is a match made in podcasts heaven, as
somebody said a couple weeks ago. So what does all
(03:03):
this mean for you guys, the listeners, Well, it means
that you're with me as always, and now a bunch
of other potentially new fans of Disgraceland who are going
to hear about this show now on a regular basis
from the folks at Exactly Right and iHeart, and we're
all going hand in hand, full steam ahead into this
next phase of the show together. The Murder Renos, the
(03:25):
fans of My Favorite Murder, are some of the most
passionate podcast and true crime fans on the planet, And
like Karen and Georgia, I know that they have great
taste in music. So the ones that I've met have
told me this, the ones that I've spoken to online
I can tell so this is really really going to
be a great partnership. We've got some exciting conversations going
on about how to grow Disgraceland even bigger than it
(03:48):
already is, about potential new content, new storytelling. Maybe I'll
start making some more appearances out there in the world
this year and on other podcasts. I'm not really sure
yet what I'm going to be doing, but all I
know is that it just feels good to once again
have partners to help myself and the folks over here
at Double Elvis. And the fact that it's these partners,
(04:09):
partners who really get the show, partners who really get
me as a creative person. I am just stoked, okay,
and I think you guys are going to be stoked
as well with the results. Now, if for some reason
you have not heard of or heard my Favorite Murder,
it's quite literally one of the biggest podcasts on the planet.
(04:30):
What Karen and Georgia have built with their show and
now with the Exactly Right network is super impressive. I
was out at their studio in La a couple of
weeks ago, and I was blown away by their growing
empire and also frankly by the folks who work at
Exactly Right. They couldn't have been cooler or more supportive
of Disgraceland and Hollywoodland. They're true fans. Same goes for
(04:53):
the iHeart folks that I ran into in Austin a
few weeks before that. When I was out in La
Though at Exactly Right, I sat down to film an
episode of My Favorite Murder with Karen and Georgia that's
out today. You can watch that on Netflix right now,
or listen to it on Apple Podcasts or in the
(05:15):
iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. This interview, though,
it's going to give you, guys, some insight into our friendship,
how it's grown over the years, and likely some history
on Disgraceland that you've never heard before, so check that out.
Disgraceland has been independent since twenty twenty three, and we've
(05:37):
had a lot of offers to partner with folks at
some pretty awesome networks podcast professionals who are making great,
award winning culture shifting content. But in the end, we
decided to go with exactly Right in iHeart, mainly because
of the comfort level that I have with these folks
as a creator, as a writer, as an artist, as
a podcaster. Karen Georgia, the folks at Exactly Right Now,
(06:00):
they really understand the show and the absolute pros overt.
iHeart totally understand talent and how to give talent the
right tools to grow. So that's why we made this
jump when we made it, and you can hear it
in my voice. I'm stoked, Zeth, Matt, Jamie, everybody here
at Double Elvis. We're all super excited and you're gonna
(06:20):
get some of that excitement in the Netflix my favorite
murder interview that's up on Netflix right now, and also,
like I said, it's available in audio wherever you get
your podcasts, so check that out. You know what else
is available right now? Something else that I'm very excited about,
something that we've been working very hard on these last
few weeks, harder than we not to say that we
(06:41):
don't give every episode our all, but something about this
Patti Smith story really really pulled us in and it's
a unique take on her story that you're not going
to get anywhere else. I'm pretty pretty hyped on the
production and what Matt put together with the score and
the audio, and we worked with our old friend Ryan
(07:03):
on this score as well, and just cannot wait for
you to hear this Patty Smith episode of Disgraceland. If
you have not already. Now, if you have heard it,
you're fully aware of how this is a true crime story.
But if you haven't, you might be saying to yourself,
wait a minute, Patty Smith's story is true crime. Patti
(07:24):
Smith didn't kill anyone. Patty Smith was never busted for
anything serious. So how is Patti Smith a subject of disgraceland. Well,
as you'll hear when you listen, or as you might
have already heard, Patty Smith's story is steeped in true crime. Kidnapping,
(07:45):
Charles Manson, the Son of Sam chalk outlines of dead
bodies on the New York streets, blood splattered walls, junkie poets,
shotgun wielding novelists. This episode has it all, with the
godmother of punk at the center of it. You're gonna
dig it, trust me now. Patti Smith's story takes place
in part at the Chelsea Hotel in the late sixties
(08:08):
and early seventies, a hotel where a lot of great
culture was created, a lot of drugs were taken, some
people died, some people lived to tell about it. And
because of all this this lore, the Chelsea has been
depicted in numerous movies, some good, some bad. And Zeth
(08:31):
and I are going to talk about our favorites in
the exclusive section of this after party. Go to disgracelandpod
dot com to sign up to become an all access
member of Disgraceland to unlock exclusive content like this plus
ad free listening. Okay, new Patti Smith, that's the episode
in your feed right now. Rewind episode coming this Sunday.
Yes again, if you didn't get the message last week,
(08:53):
Rewinds are now on Sunday. The Rewind episode this week
right after this after party bonus episode that you are
listening to our rewind episode, We're dipping back into our
archive of over two hundred and fifty episodes to bring
you our Taylor Swift story and the batshit craziness that
involves her many many stalkers and the links Taylor Swift
(09:15):
has had to go through to just keep making music
and you know, keep yourself safe. You're not gonna want
to miss this if you haven't heard it, and if
you have heard it, you know it's there for you
to check out again on new Sunday. Sundays are a good,
good podcast listening day. They really are got to breakaway.
I know, I know everyone's got their routines, you know,
but I'm typically making podcasts during the week. You know,
(09:37):
I don't have a commute, so I'm i'm I'm listening
on Sundays. Maybe you're like me. I don't know. Let
me know. Let me know when you listen to podcasts,
and how what your podcast listening routine is. I'm curious
six one seven, nine oh six six sixty three eight
voicemail antext at Disgrace Lampod on the socials. Hit me
up in the Patreon chat as well. That's a surefire
way to get my attention quickly. But back to the
(10:00):
agenda here, We've got, like I said, Patty Smith, new
episode right now, Taylor Swift rewind coming up next after
this bonus after party, and then next week our new
episode on Grace Jones. And I don't know about you guys,
but for me, growing up in the eighties and the nineties,
I was kind of like, who the hell is this person?
Who is Grace Jones. She's beautiful, she's hot, she's sexy,
(10:23):
but she's also masculine, you know, but this is weird contrast.
And she was in the eighties and nineties, more so
the eighties, she was everywhere, But I was always kind
of like, what the hell, what does she do? What's
her thing? Is she a singer? Is she an actor?
Is she Max Headroom's mistress? Why do I care? Why
don't I care?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
More?
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Well, we dug into Grace Jones and surprise, there's a
bunch of true crime at the core, at the heart
of her story. And bonus, I got to learn more
about this incredible artist when we got into making this episode.
So when you're listening to it, when you listen to
the new episode on Grace Jones next week and thinking
about Grace Jones and her multi hyphenate career, try to
(11:07):
answer this question, which of your favorite musicians successfully made
the transition to acting or conversely, which of your favorite
actors or successfully made the transition to becoming a rockstar?
Six one seven nine oh six six six three eight
(11:27):
call me, leave me a voicemail with your answer, send
me a text if you're shy, hit me up at
Disgrace lamp Pod on the Socials, Disgrace Lampod at gmail
dot com on email. All right, disc goes, I want
to hear from you guys right now. Actually, so six
one seven nine o six six six three eight to
get in touch your voicemails and texts on last week's
Question of the Week on the other side.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Of this break.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Okay, so you want to be a rock and roll star,
then listen now here what I say. I'm in the
phone booth. It's the one across the hall disco six
one seven nine oh six six six three eight. Last
week's Question of the Week was all about your favorite
musician memoirs, inspired by our episode on Patti Smith and
her incredible memoir Just Kids. Won the National Book Award
(12:22):
for that, and I asked you guys what you thought,
and you gave me some great answers on your favorite
music memoirs. Let's hear from Daniel in the seven oh seven.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Hey, Jake, this is Daniel from beautiful sunny Humble County, California.
Thank you climate Change. Not sure if you've ever had
a seven oh seven area call before, but here you go.
So as to the autobiography question, flash suggestion. I've been
very much enjoying the punk and pre punk bands of
the seventies you've been covering, and just this last month
(12:54):
I read the book cheat Uh Chrome, a Dead Boy's
Tale by the guitarist of the Dead Boys, who he
was originally from Rocket from the Tunes, but then he
joined the Dead Boys, which was a very early, very
engaging punk band in the mid early seventies, very much
a part of that whole New York CBGV Maxis Kansas
(13:15):
City time and place. That's so fascinating. And you've been
covering a lot of he knew and he ran, and
he played with all of those key bands, you know,
Ramon's Iggy Pop, the Guys from the Dolls, Johnny Thunders,
Rich a hell from TV television. I mean, and you
know the book is in it's equal parts of self serving, vulnerable, egotistical,
(13:37):
all the classic rock and roll punk stuff we know
and love. So that's kind of my suggestion. It's a
little bit of a deep cut Dead Boys not really
talked about enough as a band.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
So cool.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Thank you, Buck.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Daniel, Daniel Daniel, thank you for your voice memo in
reminding me that we need to do an episode on
the Dead Boys, or perhaps just on Stive Baters. But
this sounds like the main research source is Cheetah Cromb's book,
which you're mentioning here, And I appreciate you for that
I've always wanted to do an episode on Stive Baters.
This is one of the first I considered doing way
(14:13):
back in the day, prior to that first batch of stories.
It was on the list with Jerry Lee, Lewis, Sid
and Nancy, the Norwegian Black Metal Murders, Sam Cook, Lisa Lefti, Lopez,
all that stuff, and the Dead Boys were on that list.
I think because I don't remember if I read about
(14:33):
Stive Bader's death for the first time in the Legs
McNeil's Please Kill Me, but that book was instrumental in
getting me to start this podcast, and just the idea
that the way I heard it or read it, I
can't remember, Stive Baters was hit by a car and
refused to go to the hospital. She used to punk
(14:53):
rock or whatever, and ended up succumbing to his injuries
and dying, which is just mind blowing to me. And
I'm sure that's all in Cheetah Crome's memoir and I
can't wait to get into it. Thank you Daniel for
your voicemail. Appreciate it all. Right, same subject, Let's go
to the nine one six.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Hey, Jake, this is mister Taylor from Raleigh, North Carolina
calling in to respond to the question of the week
about the best rock and roll autobiographies or memoirs. And
I guess, if I was being cheeky, I would say
Cash by Johnny Cash. But it's not. It's not even
a rock and roll memoir. Quite frankly, the book is
Born Standing Up by Steve Martin. You know, I read
(15:33):
this when I was starting to get into stand up
comedy and was doing some shows locally, and I wanted
to go back and read about the great comedy luminaries.
And quite frankly, I didn't even understand Steve Martin when
I was a kid in the nineties. He was already
into his Father of the Bride Cheaper by the Dozen phase.
But I went read the book and it's incredible, And
(15:55):
you know what struck me it was so interesting is that,
you know, Steve Martin got a job at Disneyland when
he was ten years old. He worked there till he
was eighteen. By the time he was twenty, he was
doing a dozen shows a week at the Magic Store
at Nottsberry Farm. I mean, if you want to think
about it, the Milcolm Gladwell sence, I mean, he got
his ten thousand hours by the time he even reached maturity,
(16:18):
so it's no surprise that he burst onto the scene.
He was a fully formed comedian and was a rock
star in his own right, so much so that he
quit comedy when he was thirty years old at the
peak of his powers. And it was just a fascinating book,
an amazing read. Steve Martin has become just such a
big part of pop culture and comedy and film, but
(16:42):
I didn't really understand his position in the world of
creating the idea of rock star comedians. So it was
a great book. Highly recommends. Appreciate everything you do RockA
ROLLA nine one six.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
This is another one that I'm grateful to be reminded
of the Steve Martin. Well, he's a musician actually, but
more comedian and I've heard this is fantastic. It's one
of those things that numerous people have told me about.
I seem to always forget about it, and to be honest,
I'm not always looking for music content in my spare
(17:15):
time to sit back and chill with, but this one
seems to be special, so I appreciate you bringing it
to my attention. And no shade on the Johnny The
Johnny Cash autobiography is mentioned all the time because it's
truly great. You can ask John Cusack's character in High
Fidelity about it. It's that great line I've read books
(17:38):
or whatever he says. And by the way, High Fidelity
is the next movie that we are covering in our
video podcast on great movie soundtracks and scores that's going
to be coming your way at the end of this month.
Go to disgrace impod dot com to become an all
access member to cop that content. Let's now, however, go
to the nine to seven to zero. Nine to seven
(18:00):
to zero had a great memoir recommendation, Matt, this is
a voice memo, not a voicemailble go ahead and find
that and play that for us, please.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Jake Artist Memoirs, rock and Roll Memoirs, Okay, Bill Graham
My Life Inside Rock and Out his memoir of being
born into Nazi Germany just before.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
The war, being half a step ahead of the Nazis,
through the war, landing in an orphanage up the Hudson
River like Schenectady, getting adopted and brought to the Bronx,
learning about Latin music while living in the Five Boroughs
(18:47):
bouncing around being an actor, doing other things.
Speaker 7 (18:51):
Finally landing on the West Coast and really hitting his
stride at about thirty three years old, when he found
all of the San Francisco musicians had no fucking business
sense and they're getting their asses kicked in the business world.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
And then he went on to change the world. His
memoir also speaks about things like when to know how
to get off the wheel, and people howled when he
closed the Filmore East and the Fillmore West and stopped
certain other projects, but he knew better, he had a sense,
(19:26):
and then how to deal with conflict.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
And what fucking big balls he had. So that's the
one that I would recommend. Bill Graham My Life Inside
Rock and Out.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Oh yes, Bill Graham. Bill Graham's autobiography. Bill Graham, great
rock and roll promoter, one of the best, guy who
kind of broke the mold, guy who kind of invented
the business in a lot of ways. I read this
book in high school, one of the of the I
think I read it right around the time I read
Helter Skelter, and I never think of of how formative
(19:58):
Bill Graham's autobiography he is to this show. But pretty
damn formative. I'll never forget his depiction nine to seven
zero of Otis Redding and seeing Otis Redding live for
the first time on his stage, and he describes him
as pure sex. And I read that as like a
(20:18):
fifteen year old and I didn't know what to what
to make of that. I didn't know what he meant.
I didn't know what I didn't know, and then I
started I think I saw the Otis Redding. I know, yeah,
I did. I saw the Otis Redding live at Monterey Footage,
and I got it. I was like, oh shit, I
know what Bill Graham was talking about. Great book. Bill
(20:39):
Graham will be an episode of Just Gray Sam at
some point. Thank you. Nine to seven zero, all right
six one seven nine oh six six six three eight,
Send me a voicemail, send me a text. If you're
shy five one two Allison hits us up. Hey, I'm
super excited about the new season. Teresa, Teresa, I think
she means there there are some great story about Rookie
(21:01):
ericson Rocky Erics. Excuse me, it is a ridiculous arrest
and stint at the mental hospital. That's gonna be uh yeah,
that's that's coming eventually. Not on our list of next episodes.
We'll be covering that story soon enough, Allison, thank you
so much. Erica from the seven to one nine is
recommending a Girl in a Band by Kim Gordon, which
(21:23):
I own. I've yet to read it. I've skimmed it.
And now this Courtney Love interview with Billy Corgan, it's
got me one. It's it's so kind of Caddy. I
shouldn't be into it, but I'm just, I'm just I
got I got a lot of Kim Gordon intrigue right now.
The fact that Courtney Love is talking shit about Kim
(21:44):
Gordon makes me kind of like Kim Gordon even more,
if that makes sense. I mean, Courtney Love not the
most reliable narrator, though I'm endlessly fascinated by her. And
there will be an episode on Kim Gordon at some point,
and I don't know what it's gonna be, but I
know I know that there's some them true crime there.
(22:06):
If there is for Patty Smith, there's gonna be for
Kim Gordon. That's all I gotta say. So we're gonna
figure that one out. Four, two five, Hey, Jake. Julia
from Seattle listening to the Patti Smith bit and it
brought me back to La nineteen seventy eight when I
got to see Patti Smith outside the Hollywood Liquorice Pizza
record store. It was insane. We're huge fans. And later
that summer, my crew and I saw television at the
(22:27):
Roxy just kitty corner to the Licorice Pizza. Such great
music rock a ROLLA yeah, wow, that's something you saw
some seminal rock and roll there, unreal. Thanks for the
text six one seven nine oh six six six three eight.
Guys who want to hit me up on anything, that's
how you do it via the voicemail and the text
(22:47):
can also email me Disgrace Lampod at gmail dot com. Okay,
this email comes from Scott Harwood, who writes in Rock Memoirs.
Dave Grohl. I haven't read this yet. I'm reading it
for the first time now. On the mic, message says, hey,
I'm a sixty eight model gen X who grew up
in that sweet spot of being thirteen when no one
(23:08):
here gets out alive. Came out and like most teenage
boys at that time, Jim Morrison was my north star
to the point that I spent the last three years
of high school in military school. I wanted to recommend
Set the Knight on Fire by Doors guitarist Robbie Kreeger.
He does a fantastic job of realigning the myths with
things such as telling us why Jim would have hated
being called Lizard King and why or how the lyrical
(23:32):
mishap on ed Sullivan Girl we Couldn't get much higher
was an innocent mistake of muscle memory responding to stage
fright and nervousness. It wasn't some glorious act of rebellion
against the establishment. Things like that a fantastic read that
I really needed as a fifty ish gen xer. Also,
don't be too hard on Dave Grohl. I grew up
in his neighborhood at the same time, and yeah, he
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has a huge ego, and deservedly so, and his nice
guy image has certainly sharpened the knives going into him now.
At the end of the day, he's a married rock
star who cheated on his wife, and I defy you
to name five rock stars who never cheated. And when
you can't, ask yourself why Grohl is catching so much
more shit than the others. He was very close to
his mother and his drummer. He lost them both within
(24:17):
a short period of time. Yeah, and his drummer. He
lost them both in the short period of time. Maybe
give them a little slack. If not, maybe give him
some space rather than comments and judgments. Have I been
unfairly judgmental Dave Grohl as a person? I don't think
I have at all, And I've already written the Foo
Fighters episode, and I think you're going to be. I
(24:37):
don't want to give it away, Scott, but you know
I'm fair, I'm fair, and you're absolutely right about you know,
a guy cheating on his wife, a rock star, excuse me,
cheating on his wife. And it's hard for me to
go there. I mean because look, I think Dave Groll
gets maybe more shit for that than most rock stars do,
(24:58):
because he has such the nice guy image. But dude,
we like I'll do full episodes on musicians and never
once mentioned the infidelities. For some reason, the Dave Grol thing,
it's it's so much part of the story right now,
and I think Dave Groll really wants to show his
(25:25):
family and his fans that he's earnestly trying to get
by this, and I'm not gonna fault him for that.
I mean, I'm not even it's just wait, just wait
for the episode. I don't want to burn it here.
But Scott, everybody else, you know, I love Dave Grohl.
I grew up with Dave Grohl, not like you did
in the same neighborhood, but we all feel like we
(25:47):
grew up with Dave Grohl. And you know, whether this
was however, people people have these sort of what's the
word parasocial relationships with rock stars where they really feel
like they know them, and then when they fall it
hurts in a different way. And I think that's part
of what's going on here. But again, I'm not excusing it.
(26:07):
And as far as judgment goes, you're gonna have to
hear the episode that's coming up in a couple weeks.
Disgrace Lampod at gmail dot com. You guys want to
get in touch with me, can also dm me at
disgracelam pod. On the subject of music memoirs, Paula Cook
writes it, Hey, there's a new book by Robbie Robinson
talking about his relationship with Martin Scorsese. Paula, I know
(26:29):
it well well, not well enough. I have that book
literally on my nightstand. It's on a stack of books,
part of a stack of books that I have not
read yet that I want to read before I go
on vacation this summer, so that then I can get
my vacation books all lined up. You know what I'm saying.
These are the books before the books, so to speak,
and I'm woefully behind. But this one, the Robbie Robertson
(26:51):
the Cocaine Book, as I'm calling it, top of the list.
Thanks for the reminder. Paula Cook on where are We Facebook?
Paula Facebook, Paula Cook, thank you. All right, guys, were
gonna come back on the other side with some music recommendations.
(27:17):
All right, guys, welcome back. As you may or may
not know, I was on the Hollywoodland Rap Party this
week doing a little music recommendation bit with Zeth. So
Zeth takes into account our Hollywood and true crime story
from our archive that week, and he creates two new
episodes to accompany hit the Rap Party, in the Screening
(27:37):
Room and in the Rap Party. I'm appearing now regularly again.
Once again, I was doing this prior. I'm going to
continue to do it now because we needed an expansive
place to talk about our recommendations, not just for music,
but for film as well. And Zeth has this really
kind of unique way of being able to tie the
history of film to these questions. These prompts get me
(28:00):
thinking about music in a new way. And he somehow
got this week from because we did the George rees
episode in Hollywood Land. George Reeves, of course played Superman
and there's that whole crime around his story. Anyways, Seth
somehow connected that to actors who make the leap to
(28:20):
doing big, big superhero roles and how that relates to
indie bands making the leap to major labels. And the
question was, you know which, to me, which of those
bands albums would I recommend? So we got into that
over there, and it really had me thinking about a
lot of the hardcore stuff and indie stuff that I
(28:41):
was into in the nineties. I don't want to say
friends of ours, but people we kind of knew from
the hardcore scene who were getting signed beyond the indie
labels that we were on the to these major labels,
and what our reactions to those records were at the time.
And it was a fascinating conversation. Super grateful for Zeth's
(29:01):
big brain for finding a way to get me into
it that way. Check that out. That's the rap Party.
You can just search Hollywood Land and Apple Podcasts or
the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts, and
you'll find a bunch of archive episodes there, plus new
ones every week that we're doing. And I use that
as an excuse to recommend I'm not gonna talk about here,
(29:22):
to recommend a TV show that is blowing my mind.
I love it so much. And no, it's not Love Story.
In our text thread, Zeth, myself and Matt are production
slash editorial text thread that we have going every week. Wait,
I want to read it to you because it's just perfect.
This is from Matt and Matt mixes all these episodes
(29:45):
anywhere its and hey, every rap party and after party
conversation lately is just an incremental process of Jake grooming
Zeth to watch Love Story. Ah, I swear that's not
what I'm recommending. Over there, he's gone Love Stories. It's
it's over man, Let it go, Let it go. Okay, So,
(30:07):
but there's something else that I think is actually better.
I got some good TV going on right now, and
I'm talking about that with Zeth in the wrap party.
But I'll also right here i'll talk about I'm loving
DTF Saint Louis. I know a lot of you probably
are as well. It started out slow for me. I
barely I was barely able to hang on, but I'm
so glad that I did. Jason Bateman is on another
(30:29):
level lately. Man just just so so incredibly talented. He's talented.
His acting talent I think has reached a stage of
excellence that is beyond words. For me, I can't actually
describe it. I attempt to in the bonus section of
this after party a little bit with Zeth because we
(30:50):
get into it a little bit. I don't know. I'm
interested to know if you guys are watching the show
six one seven nine, I was six six six three eight,
and what you think really interesting music choices by the way,
Some they hit the ball out of the park. Some
I'm just I'm just like, what what what is that?
Speaker 8 (31:06):
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Man? I don't know. It's it's compelling though either way.
But back to music recommendations. We're gonna do, We're gonna do,
We're gonna play an old song new song here. Okay,
the new song that I'm recommending this week that I'm
listening to is Denial is a River by Doci Now
Florida hip hop artist here. This sounds very much like
(31:28):
a nineties New York hip hop artist. She fucking kills.
She's incredible. This song is amazing. This song is. It's
not super new, it's from twenty twenty four, but all
her stuff, her newer stuff, her older stuff, it is
all great. This song is filthy jay Z, not filthy
like just in like a sex way, but just in
like a real kind of just in a real way.
(31:50):
It's a jay Z early Kanye Salt and Peppa, Missy Elliott.
It's all here. But this is it's it's more modern.
I almost said fresh, I didn't, and I know a
lot of you already know about this, and then I'm
late to the party. But I don't care. This shit rules.
I love it Doci, Sean Hastings. If you're listening, go
(32:10):
get that. Anyone else check it out. Old song wreck
Ryan Paris dolce Vita. Now. I don't know anything about
this song except that it came out in nineteen eighty
three and I heard it in some TV show probably
ten years ago. I don't know anything about this artist either.
This is Italian disco. Listen to this song. First of all,
(32:30):
this song is a great sort of mixed starter, all right,
like playlist starter, because it's going to cool you into
a bunch of disco that you've probably never heard of before.
Because this song is obscure ish, people who are into
disco are going to know this, and people who are
into Italian disco are definitely going to know this. But
this song will just make you feel awesome. It'll make
you feel like you know, it'll just no matter where
(32:52):
you are, you're gonna feel like you're in a cool
robe next to a pool at a party with some
really good looking people. That's what this song does. It's
so good. You know that meme that's been going around
the last like twelve months of the two Italian dudes
like smoking cigarettes, you know, you know, off the on
the coast of the Mediterranean. They're just kind of bobbing
(33:12):
their heads to some cool disco. This is the shit
those guys were at one point listening to. I guarantee
it okay. Ryan Paris's Doulce Vita check it out all right.
Earlier in this episode, we were talking about Patti Smith
in the Chelsea Hotel, and for good reason. The Chelsea
is where a large portion of Patty's story or formative story,
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i should say, it takes place. And there's a lot
of media, great media that has come out of that
time that Lore and Zeth and I are going to
try to sift through some of it in the exclusive
section of the after Party coming up in just a
few moments. If you're new to the show and you're like,
what is the exclusive section? What the hell are you
(33:57):
talking about? Well, we do a little exclusive content every month.
Every week here in the after Party, you get a
little bit plus you also monthly get access to our
video podcast. This film should be played loud, and you
get access to the Disgraceland Chat and all the Disgrace
and listeners who are hanging out in there. Go to
disgracelandpod dot com to sign up to become an all
(34:19):
Access member. There's all kinds of different tiers and levels
you can sign up. You can even become a free
member if you want. Get in there and we're gonna
give you some stuff on the Chelsea that I guarantee
you you probably have not heard of before. All right,
and take a quick break, be right back. All right, guys,
(34:47):
we are back, and before we recap and get out
of here, I want to tell you about our archive.
Most of you know about the archive. If you don't
know about the archive, well, basically you're missing out on
about two hundred and fifty stories artists from every genre
and the true crimes that they've either committed or have
affected them in some way. It doesn't matter what genre
of music you are interested in, you're going to find
(35:08):
an artist from that genre in our archive. Amy Winehouse,
Grateful Dead, Tina Turner, Ike Turner, Chuck Berry, The Beatles,
The Stones, Azzy Metallica, It goes on and on, Motley Crue,
so Many Me as a PoTA from the Gets, Lana
del Rey, Travis Scott, on and on and on. Get
(35:31):
into the archive, see what we've been up to for
the past few years here in Disgraceland and let us
know what you think. Hit us back six one seven
nine oh six six six three eight, voicemail and text
if you got any questions about artists that you maybe
want to listen to in Disgraceland. But can't find hit
me up. I'll point in the right direction or somebody
will here at Double Elves, And as always, Matt will
(35:52):
pull a couple of these stories and put the episode
information in the show notes of this yere after party.
All right, let's recap number one this week Patti Smith.
Our new episode, it's available for you to listen to
right now. Our rewind episode coming on Sunday. It's on
Taylor Swift. You're not gonna want to miss that. Next week,
our new episode on Grace Jones. Number four is Zeth
(36:12):
gives you those Hollywood and crime vibes over in the
Hollywood Land feed, So make sure you're subscribed to Hollywood
Land wherever you get your podcasts. Number five, this film
should be played loud. Our video podcast, our new episode
on The Big Lebowski that's available for you to check
out right now. And we got a new one coming
for you in a couple of weeks on what are
we doing? What are doing? High fidelity, high fidelity, That's
(36:33):
what we're doing in this film should be played loud
six one seven nine oh six six six three eight.
Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of
music history. So keep calling, guys, keep texting, keep sending
us your answers to this week's question of the week
or whatever else you want to talk about. And don't
forget this isn't just content. It's community, a community the obsessed.
And no one cares about music, books, records and the
(36:54):
crime and grime that ties them all together like you do.
And well that's a disgrace, all right. Back on March second,
nineteen seventy eight, Patti Smith released the song Because the
Night and reclaimed New York nights for lovers from the
fear of the Son of Sam. And here's what America
was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard Charts.
(37:15):
Number one, Love is Thicker than Water Andy Gibb last
week one, peak position one weeks on chart nineteen. Number
two Night Fever Begs last week five, peak position two
weeks on chart week six, number number three. Sometimes when
(37:36):
We Touched Dan Hill last week three, peak position five
weeks on chart weeks on sixteen, Number four. Emotion Samantha
Sang last week full of peak position four weeks on
chart seventeen, number number five.
Speaker 8 (37:57):
Last week, Quit talking and start mixing.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
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