Bonus Episode: A Music History Memoir and Rock ‘N’ Roll Autobiography Reading List

Fresh off of reading Patti Smith’s excellent memoir Just Kids in preparation of our upcoming Patti episode, we are discussing our favorite music history memoirs and autobiographies, everything from Henry Rollins to Carrie Brownstein back to Henry Rollins via David Lee Roth and more plus, as always, your voicemails, texts, dms, emails and a new segment we’re calling “New Song Old Song”.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
just to touch, to get you through. Yeah me too.
This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,

(00:30):
a little thing we like to call the after Party.
This is the show after the show, the party after
the party. The bridge to get you from one full
episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard to dig
into the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, to
confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode,
a look at our favorite music history memoirs and rock
and roll biographies. A new song you're gonna love, and

(00:52):
an old song that you won't be able to stop
listening to. We're previewing next week's episode on Patti Smith Plus.
We get into your emails, comments, dms, and as always,
a whole lot of rosie. This is the podcast for
the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers, who knows
that the best history is the history that gets buried.
Disgrace Lands, where I tell the stories they didn't want told,

(01:13):
the kind you'll end up telling someone else.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
All Right, disc goes. Let's get into it all right,
disc goes.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
I'm back once again, back in the chair, back behind
the mic, back in your ears. After some psycho level
travel last week, I flew out to Los Angeles from
the East Coast, arrived, checked into the hotel, got into
an argument with room service over some salmon. Woke up
the next day, headed out to a studio at an
undisclosed location, filmed an interview that will be live on

(01:54):
one of the bigger streamers next week, and then I
went straight back to the airport, grabbed the Red Eye,
and flew home. Nothing like cross country travel for one night,
but it was worth it. I can't wait for you
to hear this interview and for you to hear the
news that we've got coming to you all next week.
The entire way. The whole time I was traveling, I
had Dave Grohl's books Storyteller on my lap and in

(02:17):
my hands, and was barreling through it in order to
keep up with research for the Foo Fighters episode that
I'm running this week. The book Storyteller Dave GROLs Storyteller.
It's an easy read, feels like it was easy to
write as well. If I'm being honest, there's not a
lot there. I mean, it's entertaining, don't get me wrong.
It's Dave Grohl, and the dude is charisma personified, and

(02:41):
he's lived one of, if not the most charmed rock
and roll lives that I can think of for a
rock star. And not that it hasn't come without a cost,
of course, and that cost, at least as it pertains
to the loss of Kirk Cobaine, is documented in the book.
Of Course. This book was written and released before the

(03:02):
death of Taylor Hawkins, so that loss is not detailed
in Storyteller, but neither are what I assume are some
of the more revealing bits from Dave Grohl's backstory. And
so is any sort of narrative thread. It's it's kind
it's I don't want to say it's all over the place.

(03:23):
It's not, but you kind of have to go into
it knowing gave Roll's story to figure out how the
whole thing is playing out. Not that it's hard to
figure out, it's easy, but it's not hanging on any
sort of one theme other than and I don't want
to discount this the joy that Dave Grole gets from music,

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which is important and shouldn't be overlooked. But again, as
far as memoirs go, it's it's kind of lacking. But
the book does succeed on quick flashes into Dave's incredible life,
a hypercharged by jaw dropping experiences. Dave Grole bringing Paul
McCartney to meet ac DC, Dave Role performing for President Obama,

(04:09):
Dave Groll trying to get into Panteris Strip Club. The
book is a ton of fun, because Dave Groll's life
is a ton of fun. But the best music history
memoirs they reveal something else, not just the darker side,
but the vulnerability. And there's some of that here for sure,
but not enough. I can't fault them for it. I mean,

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he's got about ten albums of heart on the sleeve
of arena rock anthems, and he's a musician on a memoirs,
so you know, it is what it is. They can't
all be Patty Smith, which brings me to my point
reading Dave Grohl's book on the heels of reading Patty
Smith's Just Kids and Mtrain is it's kind of jarring

(04:52):
because Just Kids might be one of my favorite memoirs
or autobiographies by the way I just learned, like seconds ago,
what the difference is between a memoir and an autobiography.
I always thought that a memoir was just a pretentious
person's version of an autobiography, like the way John Malcovitch
pronounces the word memoir and burne after reading my memoir,
or how my memoir my memoir. I can't do it.

(05:17):
I can't do John Malcovich, forgive me. I almost ran
over once. I'm mass Ava and Cambridge. But that's another story.
A memoir is about a specific time in the writer's life,
and an autobiography is more of a cradle to the
grave story. So by that definition, I'm comparing apples to
donuts here when I'm comparing Just Kids to Dave Girl's Storyteller.

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Just Kids is Patti Smith's account mostly of her time
in New York City with Robert Maplethorpe in the late
sixties and seventies, and Storyteller is kind of Dave story
from birth up until the time he wrote it a
couple of years ago. But still one is vastly superior
to the other and far more of an enjoyable read.
And that's the Patty Smith book Just Kids. It's one

(06:02):
of the best memoirs I've ever read, really truly, and
I know that's the case for a lot of people.
A lot of people will tell you that same thing.
A lot of people read that book, even non music obsessives,
and it resonated with them, and it's understandable. It's incredible,
and it forced me to think about Patti Smith in
a different way, in a deeper way, and to hear
her music differently. And I can't say that Dave Girl's

(06:22):
book did that for me. I mean it did on
some level. Of course, you're being brought into a part
of his life that you haven't really seen before, so
of course you're maybe thinking about him in a fuller way,
but not really in a different way. You're certainly I'm
certainly not listening to his music in a different way.
About all this got me thinking and talking to some

(06:42):
Double Elevis folks about what the best memoirs and autobiographies
from music history are. Spring is now officially here, which
means summer is officially right around the corner. So if
you're in need of some reading recommendations, I'm going to
list some of my favorite music books penned by musicians.
Uh here in this after party, and I'm gonna ask

(07:05):
you guys to hit me up with your recommendations as well.
You are a very well read podcast listening audience, and
I know you've read a bunch of music books that
I have not read. So I want your inputs six one, seven,
nine oh six sixty sixty three eight voicemail and text
at Disgrace Lampod on the Socials. Disgrace Lampod at gmail

(07:26):
dot com if you want to email me. Aside from
Just Kids by Patti Smith, one of my favorite music
autobiographies is Get in the Van by Henry Rollins. Now,
when I was a kid in a touring band, this
was kind of our how to manual. Now, nothing we
ever did was as intense as what Henry and Black
Flag had to do in the eighties, but we knew
in North Star when we saw it, and this was it.

(07:51):
Black Flag were like pilgrims as far as punk rock
and hardcore music is concerned. They went out and they
created They didn't only just tour, They went out and
they created a circuit that is still still being used today.
I mean, this is in the eighties, which is insane,
and this book has it all, it's fantastic. I highly
recommend it if you have not read it, even if

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you could give a shit about punk rock or Black Flag.
Henry Ronalds is one of the most entertaining writers that
I've ever come across. He's fantastic. Now. Another one one
that I was surprised by recently is I Am Brian
Wilson by Brian Wilson, a book that I read last
year after Brian died and before hurrying out an episode

(08:33):
on Brian in a fit of inspiration. This book really
blew me away. First of all, I already knew the
story like the back of my hand before I read it.
Most people do. But the telling of Brian's story by
Brian Wilson is about as honest and vulnerable a depiction
as you could hope for in an autobiography. And the

(08:56):
man's voice, My God, that voice, all the childlike wonder
and unpretentious genius of the Beach Boys songs, of the
Brian Wilson songs that you love, It's all on full
display in every single passage in this book. This book,
like the best songs by its author, will make you cry.

(09:19):
It's great. I highly recommend it. This next book, however,
will make you puke, and that's Marilyn Manson's The Long
Hard Road out of Hell. I've read a lot of
rockstar autobiographies, and never have I read one like this.
The man is practically begging to be hauled off to jail.

(09:41):
Marilyn Manson aka Brian Warner is an evil genius, and
he really leans into the evil in this book. I
took this information about as far as I could in
our Marilyn Manson episode without before completely grossing myself out.
There's a lot in this book that I didn't get,
and you know it's a lot in the episode that's presented.

(10:04):
You know, my point of view is not his point
of view, especially on him, as you'll hear when you
hear the Marri Manson episode if you haven't heard it already,
so check that out. The road map, however, for Manson's
autobiography is Motley Cruz Dirt by my guy Neil Strauss,
which kind of broke the mold for bad boy rock

(10:25):
star tell als I didn't grow up a fan of
Motley Crue, or of hair Metal or any of that
lame mass spandex cliche sunset strip rock and roll rockstar bullshit.
I grew up on punk and hardcore, so these guys
were the opposite of what I was into or even

(10:45):
what I was willing to tolerate as a young man.
As a young man, I get it now, and I
can take it now objectively. When this book came out, though,
like I said, I was still a young man and
I was still kind of, you know, in the throes
of of punk and hardcore. And I read it anyways,
and the only reason I read it was I was

(11:06):
staying at my friend Julie Duffy's place in Manhattan. At
the time. Julie was tour manager for like some huge artists,
like she still is, but at the time I think
she was on the road with Justin Timberlake or John Cougar,
Mellen Camp something like that. Anyway, she'd be on the
road all the time, and she would just let me
stay at her place on the Upper west Side, which sorry,

(11:28):
Upper east Side, east Side, Yeah, Upper east Side. It
was great, super generous, thanks Stuffy, still appreciate it. But
I was there one day and I think I had
a show that night or a meeting or something, and
I had nothing to do, and she had this book
in her apartment, and it was one of those things
where I just dropped my bag and I opened up

(11:50):
the book just to check it out, and I started
reading and I just didn't stop until I finished it.
I read. I read it all the way through. Just incredible,
and I loved it. It is out of control. Okay,
forget about the Netflix series, forget about that. Read the
book okay, and then read the Manson book if you

(12:12):
haven't already, because you know, by Marilyn Manson standards, the
Motley Creue autobiography is almost cute by comparison. Okay, these
next two. I was trying to get my thoughts together
about these next two, and I scribbled down this in
my notes today Chuck Berry's Autobiography and Glow by Rick James.
I was forced to reckon with a question that I

(12:35):
had encounter for the rest of my career. How the
hell did these guys admit all of this and get
away with it and not end up in jail? I
wrote that down too quickly, because obviously, if anybody knows,
it's me. They both went to jail. And these the
details in these books is the reason why. The more

(12:56):
interesting question is how did they end up being sort
of accepted back into I don't want to say polite society,
I guess with Chuck Berry. I mean, yeah, before Chuck
Berry died, there was this massive event for him at
the the the John F. Kennedy Memorial Library in Boston.
I remember it, and you know, a lot of a
lot of you know, Boston women areas anyways, were there,

(13:17):
and I remember just thinking that I had a little
fomo because I wasn't there, and I probably could have
figured out how to finagle my way in at the time,
but I just didn't. But on the same at the
same time, I was also kind of like, what, yeah,
you guys all know what this guy did, right, Like
you know, not right, I know, you know you're too

(13:38):
smart not to know. You know, we're just ignoring it.
It's all in this book. It's crazy. It's crazy. And
I know he invented rock and roll. And I know
that's a controversial statement. I didn't say it, Flipping Lee.
I actually believe that. But yeah, he also did some

(14:00):
pretty pretty pretty fucked up stuff and admitted to it
and in a lot of cases didn't apologize for it.
Rick James never really had it, was never really involved
with polite society. I don't think even even in the seventies,
I don't know, maybe but not really. And then but still,

(14:23):
you know, after all the stuff with the abduction of
women and the burning them with crack pipes, and it's
still Rick James, bitch, you know what I mean, like
it was, He's still kind of a cultural touch point.
And when you read this book, in particular Glow by
Rick James as opposed to Chuck Berry's autobiography Glow by
Rick James, which was finished after he died, if I

(14:48):
if I'm remembering correctly, so it's not a pure autobiography,
but man, man, oh man, what he admits to in
the pages of this book are shocking, shocking, and I
needed a break after I read it, that's how shocking
it was. So those are a few. There's a ton
ton of others, a ton of others. If you're in

(15:10):
the mid century New York and mafia history, then Tommy
James is me the Mob and music. That's a must read.
Rod Stewart's Rod is surprisingly readable and smart. Keith Richards's
Life is practically canon at this point. Also, Keith wrote
it with author J. R. Moherringer, if that's how you

(15:30):
pronounce it. JR. Mohringer also has a memoir called The
Tender Bar. It's about his life and it is incredible.
Not a music book, but it's incredible. I think I
think that's the one that George Clooney and Ben Affleck
aflac Affleck, Affleck, Ben Affleck. Why can't I say that
all of a sudden turned into a movie The Tender

(15:52):
Bar filmed it up in? Where'd they film it? Sean
Salem helped me out? Is it Salem? Where they filmed?
I think they've didn't sale somewhere up there haverl something
like that. Similarly, I believe Henry Rollins ghost wrote David
Lee Ross's autobiography, but I'm not sure about that. If

(16:13):
anyone wants to track that down and let me know,
it'd be super appreciated. And so here's a couple more
that I'm just I haven't read, but I'm psyched to read.
Kerry Brownstein's Hunger Makes Me a Modern Girl, Richard Hell's
I Dreamed I Was a Very Clean Tramp, and Melissa
off DeMar's new nineties memoir Even the Good Girls Will Cry.

(16:34):
And I'm also related to that because Melissa was in whole.
I am stoked. I'm just stoked, very excited to see
this Courtney Love documentary when and if it ever comes out,
which the rumors are it's coming out this year, let's hope.
So all right, But I think if you're asking me
what my favorite musician autobiography or memoir is in terms

(16:58):
of pure enjoying, it kind of an unconventional choice here,
but I think I would have to say Beastie Boys
book by Michael Diamond and Adam Horowitz, which is about
as inventive as you can get. That said, it's not
just an autobiography, yes, it kind of is. It's part memoir.
It's also part oral history, with accounts from folks who

(17:21):
were there with the Beasti's during their formative and the
most impactful moments in their careers. It's also part scrap book,
it's part mix tape. It's just incredible, and the band
doesn't shy away from their worst moments, specifically the honesty
that they bring to the less than noble way in
which they treated original drummer Kate Shamanbach, or the embarrassing

(17:44):
way in which they handled becoming the dick joke that
they were trying to tell with license to ill. All
that said, if you're a fan of eighties nineties culture,
not just hip hop music, not Beastie Boys fans, whatever,
you're just a fan of that history, that time in
America and culture, this book's great. It's just great, truly
great inventive storytelling, and it is worth a place on

(18:06):
your shelf, if not in your beach bag this summer. Again,
even if you're not a Beastie Boys fan, I wouldn't
bring it to the beach. It's a good book, good
like hardcover, you know what I mean. I wouldn't ruin
it with all that sand, all that stuff, all right, So,
as you guys know, on the subject, still, Seth writes
a bunch of stories and disgrace and so there's a
whole slew of musician autobiographies that he's read that I haven't,

(18:30):
and some real classics like Peter Hook from New Order's
book and Robbie and Levon from the band their books.
And Zeth is also the man who helms Hollywood Land,
so he's read more memoirs and autobiographies from Hollywood than
I have. But I don't think he's read aero Flynn's autobiography.
I also don't think he's read You'll Never make Love

(18:52):
in this Town again like I have. So I'm excited
to talk to Zeth about his favorites, including those from
La La Land, not just for music, in the exclusive
section of this after party coming up shortly. Go to
Disgracing on pod dot com to sign up to become
Disgracing and All Access members to unlock exclusive content like
this plus ad free listening. All right, looking ahead. As

(19:16):
we just announced this week, Rewind episodes are now hitting
on Sunday's people. Okay, Sunday, Sunday Sunday. So this Sunday,
while you're up, you know, up late in the morning,
you know, making your eggs and baky or whatever, cheppening
your kids around in the car, chilling in the garden

(19:36):
out back, whatever you're doing this Sunday, Fire up your
podcast app. Check out a classic episode of disgrace Ind.
This weekend, we're headed down the seven mile Road of
Excess and Cocaine Anamos with Stevie Nicks and the rest
of Fleetwood Mac. You're gonna wanna, You're gonna want to
be there with us. You want You're gonna want to
come on this trip with us, all right, and next week,

(19:57):
next week after that, it is finally here at the
launch of our new season, our new episode on Patti Smith,
and I cannot wait for you to hear this opus
that we've put together. It's about as true crime and
rock and roll as you can get. And when you're listening,
be thinking about your favorite rock and roll memoirs or
music history autobiographies and come back to me with your recommendations,

(20:19):
even if they're ones that we've already spoken about. Sometimes
getting consensus on a book is critical to getting someone
to crack open said book. And I really want to
inspire a solid summer reading list here for you guys
and myself over the course of this this episode in
the next after party. So next week's question of the

(20:40):
week is going to be which musician memoir or autobiography
would you recommend? Six one seven, nine oh six six
sixty three eight voicemail and text at Disgrace lam Pod
on Instagram, Facebook and TikTok and sometimes x Disgrace Lampod
at gmail dot com on the email machine. I will
be back after this with your voicemails and text, dms

(21:01):
and more. All right back in the saddle down on

(21:27):
the corner out on the street, sitting in the waiting room. Aha,
in the phone booth, it's the one across the hall.
I'm hanging on the telephone with you guys. Six one seven,
nine oh six sixty sixty three eight. Let's check out
what Lily has to say in Northern California.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
This is Lily from Roland, California, just responding to the
episode from last week about that's the question about favorite
movie soundtrack, And man, I have a couple in mine,
but I think insure Land is my favorite. Also, that

(22:04):
movie is so underrated, but I mean the soundtrack really
just has so many amazing songs, like from the Replacements,
all of an Underground Bowie, New York Doll, Big Star,
I mean, just incredible. And I just love that movie
so much. I discovered it a kind of a formative
place in my life and it just has stuck with

(22:26):
me ever since. And also it's just such an underrated
movie all around, great cast, just great cinematography everything. I
love that movie so much. But some of my other
picks for best soundtrack were Empire Records Pump Up the
Volume Pretty in Pink, Donny Darko, Twenty Century Women, I mean,

(22:48):
and of course Almost Famous, which is also one of my.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Other favorite movies. Lily, thank you for the message. I
think you're intending Zeth to get that message. But since
Beeth and I have this soundtrack conversation that is ongoing,
I thought I would jump in here because you mentioned
Adventureland and I've never seen adventure Land ever, and I
love your depiction of the movie in the soundtrack and

(23:12):
your passion for it, and I am inspired to watch
it now and maybe it will end up being an
episode of our video podcast. This film should be played loud.
So thanks to the message, I want to talk to Seth.
I'm gonna let him know to check it out as well.
All right, let's see what the three two three has
to say.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
Jake, there is no britpop without these two bands, Stone
Roses and Inspiral Carpets. In fact, Noel Gallagher was the
guitar tack for the Inspiral Carpets and wrote many of
those Oasis songs while tecking for the Carpets. Also, you
need to look into the Happy Mondays, specifically the recording

(23:52):
of one of their albums in Barbados. They literally sold
furniture from the recording studio to buy crack stories of
driving cars to the front of bars. It's fucking wild anyway,
love the.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Show, all right, three two three, Thank you so much
for the message you know in Spiral Carpets. I did
mention them. Actually, I don't know if I mentioned them
in the Oasis episode. I knew Noel Gallagher guitar TechEd
for them, and that that's where the Oasis songs first
came together. I might not have even mentioned them, but
I did. I do remember reading about them in that research.

(24:27):
But yeah, I hear I hear you on the importance
of the band given uh, given what they meant for
nol An Oasis and in Oasis lore, and I cannot
wait to get into this Happy Monday story. You sound stoked.
I'm stoked it's gonna be. I think I'm not the
next one I research and write, but within the next handful. Okay,

(24:48):
So that means it'll be out this year at some point.
Thanks for the call. Three two three, all right, guys
six one six six, six three eight. You want to
get in touch with me about anything, You can voicemail,
you can text, you can call me. You can text me,
you can email me disgracelanmdpod at gmail dot com. Jason
for the four one six texts in with hey love

(25:08):
the podcast, Happy anniversary. Listening to the latest episode and
thinking about the rock and roll books that started it
all for me, and it is No One Here Gets
Out Alive by Danny Sugarman and Jerry Hopkins. I remember
reading it one summer when I was in my middle
teenage years, working as an attendant behind a desk in
the change room of my local pool, handing out towels.

(25:29):
In fact, I think all the guys that worked at
the pool read this book because we passed that old
dog eared paperback around all summer. Since then, I've read
many rock and roll bios and autobios, so when I
discovered your podcast, Disgraceland, it was a no brainer for me,
and I've been listening ever since. Rock and Roller No
One Here Gets Out a Live one of the seminal
biographies rock and Roll Biographies by Jim Morrison. I think

(25:52):
that's the book that Oliver Stone based most of the
movie on. Anyways, and man, it must have hit you
four one six at the exact at right time. I
feel like just teenage boys in the I don't know
how we'll do R Jason in the sort of eighties nineties.
That was that was a sweet spot for being turned

(26:14):
on to Jim Morrison from the Doors. Sounds like that's
exactly what happened at the pool you're working at too.
Seven seven four Texan just finished the dead episodes. Good shit,
I've been ahead my whole life. I grew up a
hardcore kid in the Worcester area in the nineties. I
wish cast Irn, I wish cast Iron Hike had one
more album, would love another reunion. Thanks for all the

(26:35):
enjoyment Dan Dan in the seven seven four. Thanks brother,
that ain't happening unfortunately, but uh it's nice to know
people care. And if you saw if you went to
see cast Irn night back in the day, thank you
and happy you're a deadhead. I like how I like
that trajectory from punk kid to deadhead. It makes sense.
Doesn't feel like it makes sense, but trust me it does.

(26:58):
Six four six Good morning, love Foof, but love Nirvana
way more. Yeah, I guess taste this taste right. You're
gonna listen to something more than you're going to listen
to something else based on your taste. The more I've
been listening to food Fighters and doing this research over
the last couple of weeks, is the more I come

(27:18):
to realize, you know, I'm kind of food Fighters first
two albums, those are the records I like. I've never really,
I've never sought out food Fighters music on my own
to listen to after that until probably the last few years,
and every time I would hear a single, I'd just
kind of be like the same for me. And what

(27:39):
I realized is the singles that come, you know, on
the third, fourth albums and beyond, they weren't necessarily made
for me. They were made for the world at large,
and they were made to be delivered on stage in stadiums.
And I think what changed for me was I saw
I've seen food Fighters live and that that had That

(28:01):
had a lot to do with changing it, because I
loved those songs that I previously didn't like hearing them live,
the bigness of them. But even before that, before I
saw them live, I saw that Wembley Stadium gig that
they did. I think it was an HBO special or
something that ran it, and it was incredible. It's just

(28:22):
amazing and uh it really it really gave me a
new appreciation for the Foo Fighters and and I kind
of didn't realize why until now because I'm so deep
in it in the research. Anyhow, that's my take. I
love Nirvana as well. I've gone back and I kind
of I listened to Nevermind for the first time in
a long long time as an album the other night

(28:42):
when I was waiting to get on the plane, and
my god, it's so good. It's explosive. All three of
the records are incredible for different reasons, and they're all different,
you know, it's like that they're really those that run
of records. Man, it's just great. They're not repeating themselves
in any way. But that one, that one, My goodness.

(29:06):
Nine one text and Hey, Jake, absolutely love your show.
Amazing work. I'd really love to hear an episode on
Shannon Hoon and Blind Melon definitely the most underrated beautiful
band from the nineties. Thank you, keep up the good work.
Nine four one you were in luck. We've got a
Shannon Hoon episode coming your way a couple of months.
Sammy Sami from the seven six' five text and, HEY

(29:27):
i know this subject is literally two years too, Late
BUT i love that in The Mariah carey, episode you
specifically Mentioned I'm real by J lo And Jah rule
because the drum beat at the beginning of each segment
after a break in the bonus episodes always makes me
think of the drum beat to the beginning Of I'm
real and then that's stuck in my head for. Eternity Best,
sammy SAM, I, SAMMY i like the way you spell your. Name,

(29:50):
uh AND i like That disgraceline got something stuck in your?
Head makes me think we're doing doing our jobs right
three h two? Right Sent really no mention Of stone.
Roll we talked About Stone roses three or two is
referencing our after party last week on On, britpop and
uh yeah we Mentioned Stone. ROSES i mentioned.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
THEM i.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
DID i THINK i said they don't belong on the. List,
sorry BUT i did. THINK i do THINK i said
THAT i Love Stone, roses but they they, Predate they
pre date the era we're talking, about and that's that's
why they got. Mentioned but they weren't on the, list
you know WHAT i? Mean four one five rites In, Hey,
JAKE i am late to the Most Badass women In music.

(30:34):
Party but how can we leave Out Dolly? Parton not
enough time to list the reasons WHY i love the
podcast that's in the four oh five we talked About
Dolly parton SOMEONE i REMEMBER i read a text or
an email where someone someone called in and, SAID i
don't remember what they, said but it was About Dolly.
PARTON i, think or maybe that was just a CONVERSATION
i had with somebody in. Person it's all blending. Together,

(30:57):
YEAH i don't know how you talk about badass women
in music history and Not Dolly. Parton IF i did,
That i'm forever sorry because that's a, huge huge. Miss
still trying to figure out How i'm gonna write A
Dolly parton episode and make it Disgrace. SANDY i THINK
i have to go to the Porter wagoner. ROUTE i
don't THINK i can do it just On, dolly because you,
Know dolly wasn't A dolly didn't do, much you.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Know WHAT i?

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Mean not a, lot not a lot of bad stuff,
there not a lot of darkness as far AS i can.
Tell melissa from the six one, NINE i hear you
On ann And Nancy Wilson santiago in the two one
four appreciate your Television wreck For paradise On. Hulu i'm.
Curious IF i get into, It i'll let you. KNOW
kb from the eight oh two in response to the

(31:42):
question of the week the most badass women of rockets
either Jone jet Or WENDY. O williams MAN a lot of,
PEOPLE a lot of, PEOPLE a lot of people Mentioning WENDY.
O williams and Jone jet six one seven nine oh,
six six sixty three. Eight you guys want to mention
anything to, me hit me up on, text hit me
up on. Voicemail you can also email Me Disgrace lampod

(32:03):
at gmail dot com and you can hit me up
At Disgrace lampod on The. Socials all, right, guys, Listen
zeth AND i DOCTOR. Lundi that, is we're gonna be
doing television and movie. Recommendations some of the music based
a lot of the music based over in the rap
parties that are happening in The hollywood land feed every.
Week AND i have got a. Show, Okay i'm done

(32:27):
With Love. Story i'm done talking About JOHN. F Kennedy.
Jr And Carolyn bassett in The. Night And i'm not
done talking about the. Nineties But i'm done talking about,
that that dumb show THAT i loved so, much And
i'm now very upset it's. Gone BUT i have a
new show and it's way. Better AND i don't have,
to you, know tell People i'm watching it in hushed

(32:48):
tones Because i'm embarrassed by. It not THAT i was
embarrassed by Watching Love. STORY i don't give fuck what
people think about WHAT i watch on television and everybod
but he deserves a good guilty. Pleasure who AM i
to deny myself of? That but this show That i'm
watching is awesome AND i meant to watch it years.

(33:08):
Ago it came out about four or five years, AGO i,
think AND i just missed. IT i missed, IT i
think BECAUSE i didn't have My hulu password or. SOMETHING
i don't know what the reason. Was BUT i haven't
even Told zeth about this BECAUSE i can't wait for
his eye. Roll But i'm going to convince him that it's,
great And i'm going to get him to watch it
and hopefully get you guys to watch it as. Well

(33:29):
and there's some good music. Involved, okay that's going to
be happening over in The Rap party starting next. Week
we're gonna be doing our recommendations over. There most of our,
RECOMMENDATIONS i should, say because BEFORE i get to the
because speaking Of zeth In, Hollywoodland zeth does The Rap.
Party zeth does the archive episode of Hollywood land on

(33:51):
that week's, subject like for, instance this week it's It's
Brandon lee From The. Crow and then he comes in
with The Rap party bonus episode where he does sort
of expanded take and talks to you guys and get
to your feedback on that week's subject Again Brandon. Lee
and then at the end of the week he does

(34:13):
what's called the Screening room where he teas up a
movie that we're all going to be watching that weekend
and talking about when he comes back the following week
with the wrap. Party, okay so it's all kind of
strung together, there and this weekend we're all Watching The
crow With Brandon. Lee so there you. Go that's what's
happening over. There get into the Hollywood land feed on

(34:35):
The iHeart podcast, App apple Podcast. Spot if wherever you're
listening to, podcasts make sure you subscribe to Hollywood. Land
the recommendations are in part kind of low. Key the
THING i love talking, about you, know, music and film
together is kind of right up there music and crime,

(34:56):
obviously but rex you know what it's. Like you get,
out you see your, friends what are you? Watching what
do you listen? To?

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Do you?

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Know you can't wait to talk about? It And zeth
AND i are gonna start to do that with more
frequency over in the wrap, Party so make sure you're
subscribed To Hollywood.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Man.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Okay one of the Things i'm gonna start doing here
going forward in the after parties are these song. RECOMMENDATIONS
i have found that in this attention economy that we're living,
IN i often like it when somebody recommends a song
to me now rather than a new artist THAT i haven't.
Heard it's just so, overwhelming like where do you even?

(35:31):
Start you know WHAT i? Mean and everything's all messed
up now because if you go To, spotify you're not
gonna you're not gonna get introduced to an artist the
way that you got introduced to it as a. Kid you,
know you're gonna get like their most downloaded, whatever which
could be just because it was covered by, somebody you
know What i'm. Saying SO i like it when somebody
just recommends a song to. Me so that's been spinning

(35:53):
around in my brain. Lately the other thing that's been
spinning around in my brain lately is trying try to
not become a cliche old, guy middle aged, guy, whatever
guy who's just grumpy about new. Music at the same
TIME i am grumpy about new. Music you, know one

(36:16):
of the things about being a man is as you get,
older you have to fight the urge to sort of
calcify into this version of yourself that never. Changes you.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Know it's a.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Stereotype i'm, generalizing but men kind of they just kind
of get stuck in their ways more than women. DO
i have found, Anyways i've certainly found this with. Myself
it's one of those THINGS i don't like about. Myself you.
Know we get long, lives short, lives however you look at.

(36:51):
It we want them to be the best, lives the
most rich, lives the most robust. LIVES i know there's
great music being made and being released, constantly BUT i
do have real serious beef with modern. Music And i've
realized over the last couple of weeks my beef with
modern music is more about guitar based modern music rock and.

(37:13):
Roll first of, ALL i just can't stand the fact
that rock and, roll guitar based rock and, roll is
no longer part of popular. Culture it doesn't dominate or
lead popular culture the way that it did WHEN i
was growing, up AND i can't do anything about. That
on the same, Time i've realized that what's happened to
guitar music in the last two decades is this sort

(37:37):
of mass movement toward recording in the box and recording
with digital. Tools AND i don't mean just recording to
pro tools instead of. TAPE i mean using digital plugins
and apps as opposed to using outboard. Gear AND i
don't want to bore you with the technicality of it,
all BUT i can hear the, difference and it's a bum.

(37:59):
Out you, know WHEN i listen to Led, zeppelin that
shit fucking blasts comes to. LIFE i was talking about
this couple weeks, ago you, guys if a kid wanted
to hear the beg's and Like Stan alive came on
AND i was just, like oh my, god this is.
Glorious not to mention the fact that everything is compressed
by the time we hear, it you, know into ones
and zeros On spotify Or apple or wherever we're streaming our,

(38:23):
music even on the, radio which has always been. Compressed but,
anyhow modern rock music suffers the most from, this and
everybody's doing it basically barely anyone records to tape anymore
except huge artists because it's super, expensive And god bless
up and coming new. Artists what are they gonna. Do
they gotta find a way to get their music out.

(38:43):
There and that's just the economy we live. In that's
just how things are done, now that's where we're. At but,
again rock music suffers the most because we're used to
hearing rock music be, huge, punk, hardcore classic, rock all.
Shit we grew up. Loving you, know if that's what
you're trying to get at as a as a guitar

(39:06):
based band now and you're recording in the, box you're
kind of. Fucked you're never gonna get that. Bigness it's really,
difficult AND i don't like. It If i'm being, HONEST
i can hear it in a, SECOND i can spot
it a mile, away AND i don't like it Because
i'm Just i'm just just not What i'm used to.
Now on the other, hand when it comes to electronic,

(39:28):
music electronic based, music electronic based produced. MUSIC i don't
mean like you, know E. EDM i don't mean like craft,
work you, KNOW i mean LIKE r AND b hip
hop pop, music which for the last beyond two, decades
the last four, decades they've been using drum. Machines for
all the pop MUSIC i grew up with in the
eighties and nineties THAT i Love, madonna you, know all

(39:50):
that stuff was not reliant on big, guitars big sounding
guitars and big sounding. Drums and if there were big sounding,
drums again it was it was created. Artificial SO i
find myself now walking through the, world walking into a
restaurant or just walking down the street and hearing a
car drive by with the windows rolled. Down and more

(40:12):
often than, not WHEN i hear things now AND i, go,
oh what's that that's, interesting it's often always pop, music
top forty, music and it's not guitar. Based And i'm,
finally for the first time in a long, time allowing
myself to be curious about this and, go wait a,
minute wait a, minute wait a, minute, wait what is?
THIS i kind of like? This why DO i like?

Speaker 3 (40:36):
This?

Speaker 1 (40:36):
OH i like this because this is fucking. Awesome it
doesn't matter that they made it a year ago or
two months ago or three years or. Whatever it doesn't
matter that it's pop. Music it doesn't matter that IT'S
r AND. B it doesn't matter to me because in
the SEVENTIES i love The Beach, boys because in the
EIGHTIES i Love. Madonna because in the NINETIES i loved
En vogue And shade And. SEAL i didn't KNOW i

(40:58):
Love seal until, recently BUT i love you know WHAT i.
MEAN i loved that. STUFF i wasn't actively seeking it.
Out it was just, there and now WHEN i hear,
IT i love. It So i'm not going to deprive
myself of modern music just because modern guitar music is
in a rut right. Now, now the good news, IS
i think modern guitar music is going to come. BACK
i really truly. DO i think the way it's recorded

(41:20):
is going to. Change you. Can't you, know when you
record with all of these you, know, electronic LIKE i,
said outboard gear and plugins and everything is in the,
box everything sounds the. Same and musicians are going to
get wise to that because listeners are going to get
wise to, that and they're going to stop. Listening and
then we're going to go back to this sort of

(41:42):
one hundred and eighty degrees back to recording in big
rooms in big. Studios how we're going to do, THAT
i don't, know but it'll, happen trust. Me so all
of that is a long way to say That i'm
gonna start. Recommending i'm gonna do this thing with you
guys every week called new, song old. Song, Okay i'm
gonna recommend one new song That i'm, into and you
can tell me If i'm crazy for liking, it or

(42:03):
you can tell me if you love, it and you
can recommend whatever new song or old song you wanna recommend.
Me i'm gonna recommend one old song okay as. Well,
okay the old songs are. Easy there's a gazillion of,
them and These i'm trying to pick songs Where i'm
trying to maintain this, vibe the spirit of like you
hear a song for the first time that day and
it just not only owns your, day it owns your.
Week you're, like, fuck, yeah, man where's that? Song you

(42:26):
grab your? FOOT i gotta hear that, song you know
WHAT i. Mean that's What i'm going for. Here so
we're gonna do the new song, first because that's gonna
be harder for. Me and then we're gonna do the old,
song because that's gonna be easier for. Me you're gonna
do the hard things first in. Life new. Song ever
since you left, ME i went Deaf French. MONTANA i
didn't know this about myself until ABOUT i don't, know
two days. AGO i kind of Love French. MONTANA i

(42:48):
think there might even be a Disgrace land episode there
WHICH i might even be excited to. WRITE i don't,
know BUT i love this fucking. Song it is. Fantastic
it's based on the riff that's the WAY i like
It casey in The Sunshine. Band it's, nasty it's, Dirty
it's gonna make. You it's gonna do what a great
song on a summer day is supposed to. Do it's
gonna make you want to drive fast and, drink not

(43:10):
necessarily in that, order or hopefully not in the reverse,
order but you know What i'm getting at. Right it's
a fucking. Banger ever since you left, ME i went
deaf By French montana and someone Called max by WHO
i don't know. Who that is released in this year
twenty twenty, six a couple months Ago, january from an
album Called Coke wave three point Five. NARCOS i don't

(43:34):
know what the fuck that's, about but it sounds pretty
rock and roll to. Me so that's the new. Song
the old, song completely, different totally. Different what is That
Food fighters? Song this isn't the. Song what is That
Food fighter song that goes ah on The New day?
Risin that song's. Okay WHEN i first heard that, SONG i, went,
oh he's he Got New Day rising From Bob. MOLD

(43:57):
i guarantee that that phrase New Day rising is rolling
around In Dave girl's head because Of whoscerdo And Bob
mold And New Day. Rising just a great song and
a great. Album not What i'm, recommending BUT i am
going to recommend something. RELATED i am researching foods As
i've been talking, about AND i watched that documentary and
there's this part in like twenty sixteen, Ish Dave grol,

(44:21):
turns you, know part of his house into a recording
studio and they do that Album Wasted light with, rope
great song that songs great rope By Foo fighters And
lo and behold There's Bob mould In Dave girl's house
recording with him and it's. Awesome it's. Great it's great
to See Bob mold behind the mic singing his ass

(44:42):
off in that way that Only Bob mold can. Sing
what a. Voice BUT i went back AND i looked
At New Day rising the album BECAUSE i just can't
listen to this record. Enough it is, NonStop no. Skips. Great,
however the, song the one Song i'm pulling from this
this album to recommend to, you my old song recommendation

(45:02):
Is Celebrated summer By whoskerdoo On New Day. Rising, now
if you haven't heard that, SONG i invite you to
throw that on the old stereo and turn it up
and roll your windows. Down so there you, go new.
Song ever since you left, ME i went deaf By
French montana and some dude Named MAX. B forgive, Me MAX.

(45:23):
B i know not who you. Are maybe SOMEDAY i
will learn And New day excuse me Celebrated. Summer bye
Bye Whosker. Doo all, right check those, out disgrace my
pod at gmail dot. Com you want to email me
any song, recommendations any recommendations at, all go for. It
got an email from an old listener, Here john McNeely
Aka Johnny, vinyl who, Says, Hey i've been out of

(45:46):
the loop for a bit on social media and podcast,
listening but catching up with the less than handful of
PODS i listened, to which Includes disgraceland, TODAY i was
thrilled to see that you did wind up covering me
as a pod us someone i'd suggested a couple of
years ago and he said it would be a tall.
Order well you did her in The Gifts. Justice my
eyes even welled. Up only a few episodes had ever

(46:08):
affected me like that WHEN i got home from work
after having finished the. Episode on my ride, HOME i
had to put On frenching The. Bully don't know if you,
agree But i've always Heard Bad brains and the riffs
and breakdowns of the songs, absent and here's to your.
Fuck i've been a fan of both bands for, decades
AND i know you're a Huge Bad brains. Fan i'm
stoked for The Patti smith episode as she's one of

(46:28):
my favorite people on the, planet and The foods. EPISODE
i was a Big Dave grohl fan and have made
a complete one hundred and eighty degree turn on those
feelings for various. Reasons but that's what makes me look
forward to the. Episode on a final, note my girlfriend
AND i started a YouTube channel Called Spinning flames where
we break down an artist and album while trying out hot.

(46:51):
Sauces that sounds, Awesome. Johnny johnny goes on to, say
congrats on the tune and had seventy. Episodes Thanks, johnny appreciate,
you AND i appreciate the words about our Miyaz apata.
Episode all praise needs to go To Zeth lundy for that.
One he wrote that, one he wrote the shit out of.
It and as far as The Foo fighters in your

(47:13):
one hundred and eighty degree turn On Dave, grohl, yeah,
yeah that's What i'll. Say, yeah you'll hear. It a
couple of weeks coming at. You Ty gilpin On instagram right, saying,
HEY i think the most Seminal british band of the modern,
era one that changed everything and one that truly launched

(47:34):
what would later become britpop has to be The Stone.
Roses what a behemoth and the GEN x landscape For
britain can't argue with. That turnstile recently COVERED i want
to be adored By Stone. Roses it's pret damn. Good
my Old bambadega girls used to cover that song as.
WELL i loved playing it.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Live it was so.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Fun what a great, band AND i can't. Wait we'll
do an episode On Stone roses at some. Point, guys
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(48:38):
artists that you'll, find and you can listen to. It
it can feel formulaics, sometimes but after, all it's a.
Show can't be too mad about. That some episodes are
a slice of life on a given, artist and some span,
decades AND i mean the formulaic, Park come, on that's on.
Purpose sounds like you know that we try to give
you you know what you, want what you can expect every,

(49:00):
week the same. Thing and, YEAH i like how you
said some episodes are a slice of life on a
given artist in some span. Decades given our conversation on M,
WIRs M WIRs memoirs and, autobiographies this review feels particularly
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(49:48):
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(50:18):
we are, back and as you, know two hundred and
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(50:40):
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get answers to. You let's, recap shall? We number one this,
week our special new season preview is available for you
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get a look into all of the stories that we're
doing in the next couple of. Months a little bit
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(51:01):
you're not gonna want to miss. That our rewind episode
this is number. Two our rewind episode this week Is Fleetwood.
Mac it's a two part Of Fleetwood Mac part one
and two next. Week, yeah that's, Right Patti, Smith Miss
Patti smith's coming your way AND i can't. WAIT i
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Content it's a, community a community of the, obsessed and
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grime that ties them all together like you. Do and
that is a, disgrace all. Right which date to? Choose
it's a hard one this week because we did that
little discrace same history in this week's special. Episode So

(52:03):
i'm looking back to the. Day disgracelam launched On february,
thirteenth twenty, eighteen and here is What america was listening
to on that, day according to The Billboard. Charts number,
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