Bonus Episode: Near Death Experiences and Unlikely Covers

In this week’s After Party, we dive into the near-death experience of Depeche Mode’s Dave Gahan. After a harrowing moment in 1996, he floated above his body, witnessing paramedics trying to save him.  But where do rock stars really go when they die? Is it a dark void or a realm of love? Plus, we hear from you about your favorite unlikely cover songs. Welcome to the After Party, Disgos!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
just to touch to get you through. Yeah me too.
This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,

(00:30):
a little thing we like to call the after Party.
This is the show after the show, the party after
the party, the bridge to get you from one full
episode of Disgraceland to the other. It's the backyard to
dig into the dirt where our mission is to uncover
the truth, to confront the myth, and to reclaim the
story for music history. On this bonus episode, Dave Gahan
from Depeche Mode died and came back to life, and

(00:50):
what he saw afterward has us asking where do rock
stars go when they die? The near death experiences of
the Depeche Mode frontman and other rock stars, plus your voicemails, texts, emails, comments, dms,
and as always, a whole lot of rosie. This is
the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent
thinkers who knows that the best history is the history
that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell the stories

(01:12):
they didn't want told. The kind that you'll end up
telling someone else. All right, disc goes, Let's get into it.
Where do rock stars go when they die? They don't
go to heaven where the angels fly. In this week's

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episode of Disgraceland on Depeche Mode, part of the story
focuses on the near death experience of singer Dave Kahan
and the time his heart stopped for two minutes after
injecting a speedball in nineteen ninety six. Dave survived. And
I love d stories. That's near death experience, So I

(01:57):
love this story. I love nd stories near death experience stories,
because it's the greatest trick in storytelling at play. Where
you tease, where you tease the audience with the answer
to a question that is just they just they have
to have the answer. They can't not have it. And
this is the greatest question of all what comes next?

(02:20):
I read a book on near death experiences once by
a neurosurgeon, A neurosurgeon who claims to have had an NDE.
Excuse me himself. He suffered from a coma and he
came back, and he gave a scientific explanation of what
he believes happened to him and where he went while

(02:43):
he was clinically dead and before he returned, and he too,
this neurosurgeon, like Dave Kahan, like I said, was clinically
dead for a moment. Now, Dave Kahn told enemy in
twenty thirteen that when he died, he was floating above
his own body in the hospital room and looking down

(03:03):
at his former self while paramedics went about trying to
save his life. He said that these seconds of death
that he experienced for him anyways, they moved like hours,
time moved slow. He also said that he was screaming,
but nothing was happening, and he believes this was his

(03:25):
soul screaming out. And then came darkness, complete, all encompassing darkness,
and just this blackness. This is the important part. It
was frightening until Dave was eventually thrust back into his
body before waking up alive. Now in the book Proof

(03:45):
of Heaven, a Neurosurgeon's Journey into the afterlife, doctor even Alexander,
this is the neurosurgeon I was talking about earlier. He
went further in his near death experience than Dave Gahan.
His time of unconsciousness lasted longer than the Depeche mode
Frontman's and Doctor Alexander was in a coma for a

(04:09):
full seven days, and he describes his time on the
other side as a place of unconditional love, a place
where love permeates every element of your being, of being
tapped into a universal consciousness, where telepathic communication between other

(04:29):
souls is possible, where rich, vibrant colors dance with a
divine light, a portal of sorts, okay, a gateway to,
as he describes it, the all knowing, loving Creator. Should
be noted by the way that Doctor Alexander was an atheist,
I believe before he wrote this book, and he doesn't

(04:51):
go into spirituality or religion or faith very much at all.
That's not what this book is. It's again, it's very
scientific take on his experience describes. He describes the afterlife
as a place where one soul continues to learn and
grow and where everything is guided by the constant, overwhelming

(05:14):
sensation of connectedness and love. That sounds fucking awesome, But
it also sounds a little bit different than Dave Gahan
from Depeche Mode's experience. He was experiencing an all encompassing,
frightening blackness. Now I don't really know how doctor even

(05:34):
Alexander lived his life. From what I remember from the
book and I read it, I don't remember how many
years ago. It wasn't that long ago. From what I remember,
he led a pretty normal life as not only as
a doctor, but as a father, a husband, or brother,
a son, and his time in his coma was marked
by family members who visited him were caring for him.

(05:58):
These are all the signs of a man who not
only was loved, but who also most likely put a
lot of love into the world. And my point is
that we can probably assume that the doctor here didn't
live a life of depeche mode debauchery and leave a
trail of emotional hardship and personal relationship casualties along the way,

(06:20):
as most rock stars do. And maybe this is why
his afterlife experience the Doctors was so different from the
rock stars, from Dave gah Hans, And then again, maybe
he just wanted to sell a lot of books. I
don't know. People say a lot of things, Okay, even doctors,
but especially musicians. I just watched a video last night
of Robbie Williams, by the Way, claiming that he'd had

(06:41):
sex with a reptile or with a woman who turned
into a reptile in the middle of sex. I shit
you not, He's dead serious. I've talked about this before.
John Lennon. You know, we all love John Lennon. You know,
man of I don't need to qualify who John Lennon was.
We all know who John Lennon was. Right, but online
and went on a New York news program in nineteen

(07:02):
seventy four and detailed told a story, in detail and
in all seriousness to his fellow New Yorkers about the
UFO that he saw flying over his fifty Second Street apartment. Okay,
rockstars could say crazy shit. Keith Richards claims that he
snorted the ashes of his cremated father. Quincy Jones said
that Paul McCartney was the worst bass player he ever heard.

(07:22):
He also claimed Marlon Brando had sex with a mailbox.
By the way, in the exclusive section of this after
party episode, Zeth and I are going to dive into
the wild wild comments from the last interviews that Quincy
Jones gave before he died. All the outlandish stories that

(07:43):
Quincy told go to disgraylanmdpod dot com to become an
all access member of disgraysand and you'll get our take
on this Quincy Jones madness by unlocking this exclusive content
and more. Back to our story. However, where was I
yes the outlandish things that rockstars say. Quincy Jones said
like like I mentioned the Paul McCartney sucked all right,

(08:03):
Billy Corgan says that he once encountered a shape shifter.
Demi Lovado believes that her extraordinary vocal talent is derived
from extraterrestrial origins. Grimes says that she was raised by NHS.
Not to be confused with NDEs and hes. That's what
we're talking about here, That's what Grimes is talking about.
And hes are non human entities. Aliens, tall whites or

(08:28):
the grays or ultraterrestrials or shape shifters are fucking reptile people,
non human entities. This is who Grimes believes raised her. Okay, listen,
who am I to judge? What do we actually know? Anyways,
The more I learn, the less I know. That's how
I feel. That's how I feel these days. The more
I learn, the less I know. So who am I

(08:50):
to tell Dave Gahan that he didn't die? Or to
tell a neurosurgeon again, a literal brain surgeon that he
doesn't know what he's talking about. Now, there have been
other rock stars who have claimed to have died, and
not one of them describes their experiences as being one
of love and connectedness, like the good doctor here, not

(09:12):
that I've seen anyways. I'm talking about real rock stars,
not nice guys who play in jazz bands with their
local pastors on the weekend. Not guys. You know who
I'm talking about, rock stars, Okay, Depeche fucking Modes front
man Nicki six, Okay, all of the real rock star

(09:32):
near death experience descriptions that I've read a line closer
to Dave Gahan's description of fear and darkness. When Nicki
six died, he described the incident as being painful. When
Phil Enselmo of Pantera when he died, as he claims,

(09:53):
his near death experience was a time spent in a
black void. And there are others. You get the gist. Fear, pain,
a black void. These life after death rock star experiences,
at least compared to the experience again of the neurosurgeon,
and frankly countless other accounts by non rock stars of

(10:14):
NBES these experiences that the rock stars detail, they sound
hellish compared to a state of connectedness and love, which
sounds heavenly. Maybe that's by design. I'm not saying it is.
I'm just asking questions here again, Where do rock stars
go when they die? They don't go to heaven where

(10:35):
the angels fly. I'm paraphrasing the Met Puppets lyric that
Kurt Cobain saying back in the early nineties. The real
lyric is where do bad folks go when they die?
They don't go to heaven where the angels fly. They
go to a lake of fire and Fry see him
again on the fourth of July. And you know what,
I believe what the me Puppets are saying here. I
believe that there is some sort of grand sorting of

(10:57):
souls after all of whatever the hell this is, and
that what we do here in this life matters. And
I've always believed that, even when I didn't know that,
I believe that. I still believed that, and I've acted accordingly,
which isn't to say that I've always acted with love.
I haven't. To paraphrase Fiona Apple, the next rock star
that I'm going to write about I've been a bad

(11:18):
bad boy, but a lot of us have, All of
us have, but nothing compared to how our rock stars
have acted. Rock Stars, like the rest of us, are
complicated souls. They're capable of good and bad in equal
measures sometimes but for whom selfishness and sociopathy and pride.

(11:39):
For the rock stars, these are more like job requirements
than personality flaws. Not so much quote unquote sins, but
rather tools to ply their trade, is what I'm getting at. Okay,
all that bad behavior to manifest life experiences here and
now that are filled with drama, crime, evil in murder, rape, arson, cannibalism, Those,

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of course, are the worst of the worst. That's the
worst of the behavior from our rock stars. But then
there's the garden variety rockstar narcissism and dickishness that leads
a trail of emotional chaos, in wreckage that the rock
star then unconsciously minds experiences, transgressive dark experiences that they
use to create with dark events from their own lives,

(12:27):
brought about by their own free will, real pain, pain
that they bring upon others, oftentimes no different than us.
In some cases, who among us hasn't broken someone's heart right,
Who among us hasn't unknowingly slighted someone else, made them
feel small, brought pain into the world. We all do it, okay,
But the rock star, the rock star, some of them anyway,

(12:50):
the real rock star is capable of bringing about a
different kind of pain, And like everything in the rock
star's life, the pain is bigger and that pain brings
big results. Again, it's the well they draw upon to
write their songs, to create. And here's the irony. To
create is to love. Creation the act of bringing something

(13:14):
into the world, something that is going to bring joy
to somebody else, like a song or an album or
a live music experience. To create those things, it's an
act of love. So what I'm saying, I guess is
where do rock stars go when they die? Should they
go to heaven where the angels fly, where the brain
surgeons go? At least I don't know. All I know

(13:37):
is Dave Gahan wrote the song Personal Jesus. And when
my poor Greek Orthodox mother walked into our living room
and found the sixteen year old me watching that video
with the imagery of slinky Dave Gahan, shirtless streading around
a dusty Mexican Sam peckinpass set with those lyrics, your
own personal Jesus, reach out and touch me. She was pissed.

(14:00):
It pained her, no doubt, to watch her son, her
sixteen year old son, being taken in by what, to
her was again, no doubt, some symbol of the anti
Christ right there in her living room. Call father Carris,
all right, let's exercise this bitch. But does this mean
Dave Gahan should go to hell? Does it mean he
is going to hell? I have no idea, man, this

(14:22):
is not for me, my mother or father Caros to decide.
But still to quote Dave Gahan, frightening darkness. Okay, that's
what he saw, frightening darkness, quite different from what the
neurosurgeon saw. Does that mean anything? Again, I don't know.
None of us know anything, Like I said, the more
I learn, the less I know. I don't know what

(14:43):
any of this adds up to. But it is fun
to talk about, and it's the exact type of thing
that we'd be talking about at the house party after
the gig. At the after party. Did Dave Gahan die
and go back to life? He thinks, so did Nikki six.
Nikki six says a lot of shit, did Marlon Brando
have sex with a mailbox? Like Quinn Jones says? Did
Billy Corgan really see a shape shifter? Again? These are

(15:05):
the hard hitting series questions that we ask here in
Disgrace Lands after party and sometimes get the answer, at
least try to. You can answer them too, but you
got to call me to do that. Six one seven
nine oh six six six three eight, Leave me a
voicemail or send me a text. I got a big
question coming in next week's episode. How did Foo Fighters
drummer Taylor Hawkins die? Taylor did not come back from

(15:25):
the dead, unfortunately, he died tragically in a Colombian hotel
and we still don't know how. For real, there's still
no official cause of death. It's been four years since
one of the most famous drummers on the planet died
and we still don't have an official cause of death. Nothing,
not a zilch. Why not? What's the deal? Well, I'm
going to tell you what I think is going on
in that episode next week, and when I'm done, i'd

(15:48):
like your opinion on the cause of Taylor Hawkins's death.
How did he die? I want to know what you think,
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(16:10):
our rewind episode Okay for this week is our classic
episode on Selena. Okay, we do have an official cause
of death for Selena, and it was heartbreaking and entirely unnecessary,
and this tragedy has become one of the classic true
crime stories from music history. You haven't heard. If you
have heard it but you haven't heard us tell it,

(16:30):
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our new episode on the Foo Fighters, and coming up
next right here in the after party right after this,

(16:52):
your voicemails, text, dms and more from last week's Question
of the Week. So don't go anywhere all right, Wi

(17:21):
Harry said it best from Blondie. I'm in the phone booth.
It's the one across the hall. You got me hanging
on the telephone six one seven nine oh six sixty
six three eight. Let's check out D in the two
one four.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Hey, Jake, It's D from Dallas, Texas And I just
listened to your show, your Disgrace Plan episode on Depeche Mode,
and you were asking for suggestions of covers, and you
have to check out Tim Dracula's version of Iris by

(17:54):
the Goo Goo Dolls. I'm sure you've heard it, because
you're such a hold, such a well rounded cultural kind
of guy.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
But if you haven't, you've got to listen to it.
So out of the norm, out of character for everything
that they usually do. But it's freakin' awesome and the
first time I heard it it made me cry.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Give it a listen, all.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Right, D. I'll see your Kim Dracula Goo Goo Dolls
Iris and I will raise you a megadeth anarchy in
the UK by the Sex Pistols cover. Check that out.
I checked out the Kim Dracula cover of Google Dolls,
and I gotta say I liked it better than the

(18:45):
Goo Goo Dolls version of Iris, which is fucking everywhere
these days. That song, it's everywhere, it's everywhere, and I
don't love that song to begin with, but at least
this one's more interesting. Thank you D appreciate you D
in the two one four, And this is a nice
intro to Daniel in the seven oh seven. Let's hear
from Daniel.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
Hey, Jake, this is Daniel from seven oh seven, California,
specific Northwest. So my selection for the best cover song
is going to be meg Death's version of These Boots,
the nineteen sixty six song by Nancy Sinatra, the original
one we all know, we all love, we're pretty familiar with,
so Megadath, of course we imagined it in a metal fashion,

(19:24):
which included spicing up and changing the lyrics a bit
in addition to everything else. So this leads to a
little bit of a story because the songwriter, Lee Hazelwood,
apparently was not having it, and he said no permission,
no go. Misstine fought it in court, said hey, if
manages it's satire, it's irony, it's comedy. But it wasn't going.

(19:47):
So their response was in subsequent releases of the Megadath album.
They just bleeped out some of the lyrics, but that
was pretty much obnoxious and unlistenable. So the third solution
it was to simply release their metal version of the
song originally but with Nancy Sinatra slash Lee Hazelwood's actual

(20:09):
lyrics of the song. I don't know legally how that
all works, but apparently that's settled it, and so now
we just have the straightforward metal version of these boots,
all right, So we'll wrap it up now. But one
last note is that this dovetails with last week's question
about memoirs and autobiographies, for which I will say the
book Mustaine by Dave Mustain himself is a absolutely great read,

(20:34):
So thank you, love you.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
All, Daniel. I have never heard the Megadesth version of
the Nancy Sinatra song, but like I just mentioned, I
do or I did at least really dig the MEGADESK
cover of the Sex Pistols Anarchy in the UK, and
I'm not embarrassed to admit that that was the first
version of that song that I heard as a young boy,

(20:57):
and I quickly though, went to the sex Pistols and
that is the classic version. Obviously, it's better than the
Guns and Roses. It's better than any any attempt at
that song. Nothing compares to the Sex Pistols version. Thanks
for you called, Daniel, appreciate you all right, Let's go Sean,
Let's bring us to the nine to five.

Speaker 5 (21:18):
Hey, Frand just regarding the Robin or Hall of Fame
do Over or Fresh Dart list, I gotta say I
like where your head's at. Don't agree with every pick.
I do heavily agree with Jay Gilesbandt however they should
be in already. But I for myself, I think I
would consider any Hall of Fame illegitimate if it didn't
have the Pixies, I mean influence. It's no secret that

(21:41):
two of the Pixies' biggest fans are kirkle Baited David Alburn.
They talk about them all the time. Were used to counterculture,
I mean arguably their two biggest mainstream moments came in
the form of movie soundtracks, both which were entirely about
counterculture and pub Up the Volume and Fight Club. So yeah,
any hall that I would want to be a part
of definitely has to include the Pixies. Pixies, Pixies, Pixies

(22:04):
right on, great content, piece.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
Okay, guys, I don't know how many messages and voicemails
we got about the Pixies and Jay Giles band. I
mentioned Jay Ales Band last week that they should be
part of our Disgrace and rock and Roll Hall of Fame,
and they are. I think we just inducted them, and
I think they're being from Boston prompted the Pixies' responses

(22:27):
as well, which I absolutely agree with. The Pixie should
be in the real rock and Roll Hall of Fame
full stop. And you bring up a really good point,
like we know about the Nirvana influence, we sometimes I
sometimes forget about the Blur influence which you mentioned. You
mentioned both of those nine oh five, but also the
cultural argument because of the movie soundtrack piece is huge

(22:50):
as well, and it goes to show just how influential
and important that band is. And I don't know if
have they ever been nominated. That's something I'm going to
find out they should be maybe maybe I don't know
if this happens if you get nominated for the Rock
and Roll Hall of Fame and if you're like Susan
Lucci and you just miss it for you know, five

(23:12):
years in a row or whatever. They just stop nominating you.
I don't know if that happened to the Pixies or not.
If it did, it's a damn shame. I'll look into
it for you. I have a report back next week
nine oh five. And everyone else who recommended the Pixies
seven one four, seven one four Sean go to the
seven one four.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
Hey, Jake is junior seven to one four. Cover songs,
first one comes to mind.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
So many great ones out there, but.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
One of my favorite Mojo Nixon's cover of the Smith
Girlfriend in a COMA freaking fun cover.

Speaker 6 (23:44):
I you haven't heard it.

Speaker 5 (23:46):
I hope you enjoy it.

Speaker 6 (23:47):
Alrip Mojo Nixon, and you're doing a great job.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Jay.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
Keep doing what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Brother.

Speaker 5 (23:52):
I'll talk to you later. Bye.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Mojo Nixon, Girlfriend Na Cooma by the Smiths. No, I
have never heard that, but I'm interested, man, I am interested.
We've been having a lot of fun with the smith lately.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
In our video podcast, this film should be played loud.
We have a category that we get to now every
in every episode, which quote from this movie should be
a Smith song title? And we we pulled a couple
of great ones out of high fidelity, which you will
hear next week when we release the next episode of
this film should be played loud. You gotta be a
Patreon member though, to check that out. Go to disgrace

(24:27):
sampod dot com to sign up six one seven nine
six six six three eight seven one four. Thanks for
the Mojo Nixon message again, let's do Let's go to
the nine to two to oh readings.

Speaker 6 (24:42):
Fellow dis goes, I'm down low in the nine tow
to oh. I drive all day fixing vending machines, and
while I'm doing that, I love to listen to the
Spraceland and hollywood Land, and Jake brought up unlikely remix. Okay,
the og only cash We've heard fair enough. Here's one

(25:03):
that's not necessarily unlikely. But the first time I heard
war Pigs was Faith No More's War Pigs. And then
when I heard your original Black Sabbath, I like Faith
No More is better. And it comes down to production
artisan skill. But you know what, sometimes the first time
you hear specific song at the time, you like it

(25:25):
to bed no shades at the Sabbath. All I gotta
say is rock and Roll of Fizza signing off evermore, Yo, I.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Hear you I hear you, but I think the free
on or whatever it is they got coursing through the
vending machines might be might be influencing you. There's no
free on inventing machines. I know that, But I'm trying
to make a point that Faith and War's version of
Warpigs is not gooder than Black Sabbath. But that's your opinion, man.
That's just like your opinion, man, and your You are

(25:59):
entitled to that, and I get it. I totally get it.
Sometimes your point is completely valid. Sometimes the first version
of the song that you hear is the best version
of it, okay, like little Latin Loop de Lou, you know,
for Barry and High Fidelity, it's the Righteus Brothers Righteous
Brothers version, or is it the Issi Brothers. I can't remember,

(26:22):
whatever it is. It's not Mitch Ryder and the fucking
Detroit Wheels, as as Dick was well told anyhow, on
Faith no more in their cover songs easy like Sunday Morning,
fantastic like Warpigs. We had this ongoing argument my best friend,

(26:42):
one of my best friends grown up Dutch and I
when we were kids, on how a song should be
covered and he believed that the faith No More approach
was the writer approach, like he tried to treat it
like a recreation of the original, which I just believe
is completely false still to this day and Dutch Now,
I talk to a microphone for a living, so I
think I think I can better make my point. I

(27:06):
think the way to do it is to at least
the covers that I respond to the most strongly are
the ones that are interpretations of the original, where the
person covering the song interprets it and brings their own
musical point of view and style to what we're hearing. That's,

(27:26):
you know, that's what I love. Like it goes back.
It's the classic version of like you know, lots of
people in the early days of pop music would record
the same songs, lots of people would record Cold Porter songs,
but you'd want the Ella Fitzgerald version of the Cold
Porter songbook because you just love the way that she
made the songs her own, versus I don't know another

(27:49):
jazz singer. Okay, even if that jazz singer was good,
you might prefer one's interpretation over the other. And they
weren't always just sort of recreations anyhow, that's my take
on it. But what do I know? Appreciate you nine
two oh check out you've probably heard it, but Charles
Bradley's version of changes Black Savage changes another great cover
and an unlikely one at that. All right, let's use

(28:11):
some text six one seven nine oh six six six
three eight Caara in the seven o three, Hey, Jake,
this is Kara. Unlikely cover I heard recently is Radiohead
Creep covered by Tears for Fears. I need to hear this.
Thank you for the nice words about our content, Tookara,
appreciate you, Ali in the five to four to ho Jake.

(28:34):
As cliche as it is. Other than the Boss Bruce Springsteen,
I have to say Taylor Swift is the most influential
musician that I have come across. I discovered her when
I was ten and she had just released the Fearless album.
And growing up, she's been the soundtrack in my life,
from narrating breakups I've been through to dealing with a
family member with a terminal illness. Her range of topics

(28:54):
is just aligned so perfectly with my life. She's put
things in words so beautifully that I wouldn't even have
imagined I love the show. Keep up the great work. PS.
Thanks for the T shirt and the poster. Ali, I
hear you, and it's interesting to hear the perspective of
somebody who got into Taylor Swift as a ten year

(29:15):
old and I'm assuming is now an adult and hearing
how her songs have tracked and stayed with you through
the sort of narrative of your life. That's pretty fascinating
and that's a very powerful skill for a pop artist
to have. I wonder how much of it is intentional
and how much of it is organic. I would bet
that it is a healthy mix of the two, with

(29:36):
most of it being organic. Anyways, five to four h
I'm happy that you have such a close connection to
an artist and have for some time. Sounds fantastic. Maybe
we all be so lucky, and I think most of
us are now. Is Lisa in the nine oh seven lucky?
Let's see what Lisa's got to say here? Another deep

(29:57):
cut on the cover subject. Here another deep cut from
the late nineties, check out Edwin McCain's cover of James
Taylor's I've Got to Stop Thinking about That. It's on
the Misguided Roses album, But I saw him perform it
in person and it was fantastic. I'll stop now. Lisa
from the nine oh seven, Lisa, thank you. You don't have
to stop. This is fantastic. I've never heard of this.

(30:19):
You know the song the original by James Taylor, and
I don't really know that much Edwin McCain, so I'm
kind of stoked to get into this. Thank you, Lisa.
Tanya in the six four to six where I said, Hey, Jake,
my number one not in the Rock and Roll Hall
of Fame but should be is Captain Beefheart aka Don
Van Vleigh. I'm with you on Jeff Buckley too, and

(30:42):
Jeff Buckley is only two degrees of separation from Beefhart.
Guitarist slash songwriter Gary Lucas was in at least two
iterations of The Magic Band That's beef Heart's band, and
later on, Jeff Buckley was in Gary Lucas's band Gods
and Monts before going solo and Gary Gary Lucas wrote

(31:04):
the music for the songs Grace and Mojo Pin on
Jeff's debut album and plays on those tracks. Cheers from
Tanya w in New York City. Full disclosure, I'm friends
with Gary and maintain his website. But I swear this
is all true. Tanya. We believe you, We believe you.
I feel like Beefheart's going to get in on one
of those the way they put Graham Parsons in what

(31:27):
do they call that historical consideration or whatever the hell
it is, And I think Jeff Buckley will get in eventually.
By the way, anyone see that video recently, the first
time I've seen it, Juliana Hatfield playing I think it's
at Axis on Newbury Street in Boston in the nineties,
and it's the end of her set and she's about
to go into her encore or something, and Jeff Buckley

(31:49):
just comes flying from side stage and stage dives into
the drum set, ending her set. It's magnificent, pretty amazing.
Jeff was a wild dude, despite what he sounded like. Tanya,
appreciate the text. You know what I'm seeing here. There's
a pattern here with the voicemails and text I think

(32:11):
every voicemail received except one was from dudes, and all
the texts are from women. What is up with that?
We need more variety? Come on, switch it up, guys
for next week? Where am I now? I lost my space.
We want to go to Flow in the three one
seven Flow? Where are you at? Flow? Says Yo, It's
Flow from the three one seven. I'm digging the recommendation

(32:32):
section Resuscitation. I pulled the trigger on one of Jake's
book recommendations this week, as he described the book as
hard to find when I found it. To my surprise,
I found it on Amazon for seven bucks. The book
in question is You'll Never Make Love in This Town Again.
I'm sitting at an airport bar in Indianapolis digging through

(32:54):
this stellar account of some wild and heinous stories of
some of rock's most vibrant cares. One foot in the
gutter and one foot on solid ground always makes for
a fan fucking tastic read. I got one recommendation for
the crew at Double Elvis to quell the Oasis is
just an okay band argument. Dig out your soul. If
you don't love this record, then you never liked Rock Rome.

(33:15):
But okay. Much love to all you guys, thanks for
all your entertaining storytelling. Much love Rock. A roll up Flow,
and Flow sends in a picture of looks like she's
working on a pint of something dark. What does that
look like? Maybe it's guinness, maybe maybe something a little lighter,
maybe harp And also it looks like you get a

(33:38):
little neat poor of bourbon. There as a little sidecar,
and in the middle she has a copy of what
I'm astounded to see is a hard copy version on
the bar between her drinks of You'll Never Make Love
in This Town Again, that she got for seven bucks
on Amazon. I think I paid like four hundred dollars

(33:59):
for this book or insane like that. I don't know
how you got this, but congrats. Of course, I bought
mine about five years ago. Sometimes that matters. Maybe a
bunch more were released into the wild. I don't know
I bought. I found yesterday. I found a copy of

(34:19):
the Madonna Playboy, which I have long coveted, not because
of any perverted Madonna reasons, but just because my wife
and I collect old Playboys. And this is a hard one,
not just because of Madonna, but it's also hard because
it's one of the last stapled copies editions, I should say,

(34:41):
of Playboy. Now. I found it for forty bucks, and
typically it's about three hundred dollars to find a copy
on the internet, So I don't know what the hell
I'm getting into. I don't know what's going to show
up in my doorstep, and I'm probably gonna have to
wear like a hazmat suit to open this thing and
handle it. But we shall see, we shall see. I'm
off on a tangent here. Let's check in here with

(35:04):
what do we know? We just talked to Flow in
the three one seven. Let's let's go to the three
oh four. Okay, Luke, who I presume is a dude
from the three four who wrote three nine to four. Luke,
your area code is the three oh four. I know this.
How I know it well, I can't tell you, but

(35:25):
I know it to be a fact. Anyways, Luke Wright said, Hey,
Concrete Blondes cover of Leonard Cohen's song Everybody Knows is
an interesting version. It's on the excellent soundtrack from Christian
Slater's movie Pump Up the Volume. Yes, great cover, unlikely cover,
great original, great movie. I can't quibble with any of this, Luke,
except for your area code the three oh four. Now

(35:48):
Jules in the four two five, Hey, Jake, Jules in
the four two five, just listen to your bit on
Beastie Boys. Awesome job and a fan since the start,
and we just wanted to mention that the Apple TV
has a great doc on the Beastie Boys not to
be missed by true fans. Keep them coming. You rule
your absolutely right, Jewels. Beastie Boy's story in on Apple
is fantastic and it honestly it made the telling of

(36:09):
our story really hard because it's tough to You can't
really who's gonna tell the beast Boys story better than
the beast Boys.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Nobody?

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Okay, but we did find some choice nugs, as they
say in the research, and we were able to put
something together that I think is pretty original. Hope you
check that Beastie Boys episode out, guys. If you haven't,
it's our latest rewind episode. Should be pretty high in
your feed. Two nine first time Texter, just listen to
the Hall of Fame discussion. The Black Crows couldn't get
in to the Hall of Fame either. That's because they

(36:37):
were all about access and debauchery and giving the middle
finger to everyone. Did they get in eventually? I think
they do get in eventually. Should they get in before
the Pixies? That's a question I'm asking myself now based
on the input from all of you. Guys, and I
don't think the Rock and Will Hall of Fame discriminates
against excess and debauchery. Maybe they do, now no, no,

(37:00):
they just let outasis in what are we even talking about?
All right? Appreciate it though, two oh nine text us back. Okay, guys,
great feedback this week as always six one seven nine
oh six six six three eight. Hit me with uh,
I don't know anything. You want more unlikely covers who's
going in the Disgrace Land Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,
who your nominees are? Let me know who else besides

(37:23):
the Pixies. Also, I want your theories on how Taylor
Hawkins died or at least on why there's been no
official cause of death. Six one seven nine oh six
sixty six three eight voicemail and text at Disgrace lam
Pod on Instagram and elsewhere Disgrace lampod at gmail dot
com on the email. I'll be back in a flash
with more from you guys, with your emails and your
direct messages. All right, as we are back. My man

(38:00):
Bill McClinton over on Instagram writes in hey, part of
the interruption and with massive amounts of respect, misunderstanding was
a nineteen eighty Genesis song from their album Duke, not
a Phil Collins solo effort. Well, shit, Bill, I stand corrected.

(38:22):
I don't know what the fuck I've been thinking or
talking about. I listen to that song so much. I
search up that song so much on Spotify, and I hear,
I hear, I've been just treating it like a regular
old Phil Collins song. Fun fact, my other favorite Phil
Collin song is not a Phil Collin song. It's a
Philip Bailey song. Okay, trivia question, do you know what

(38:44):
I'm talking about? Hit me back six one seven nine
oh sixty six sixty three eight let me know. Also,
be like Bill, let me know what you might want
to correct here, anything we get wrong, because sometimes, like
everybody else, we fuck up. We're imperfect beings, just like
just like everybody is. All right, let's do this. Email
just gracempod at gmail dot com. This one comes from
Tara Baker, subject Whyalon Jennings, Hey Jake, I'm going to

(39:07):
try all caps to make this short. I have listened
since pretty much the beginning because I have a raging
girl hard on for all music, Hollywood and true crimes.
So your pods check all the boxes. However, I did
take a break for a while when I fell off
all podcasts for a bit, you know, just the natural
ebb and flow of life. I did want to let
you know that I just listened to the Whyaln Jennings

(39:28):
episode and this one was near and dear to me
because he is family. His dad and my grandfather were brothers,
and my mom grew up in Littlefield, Texas because most
of the population of the town was just the Jennings family.
You reminded me of stories that I have heard my
entire life and just forgot, either from Whalan himself or
from my mother, my grandfather, aunts, uncles, because the Jennings

(39:50):
family are talkers. Please note the length of this email.
Genetics are rough. My mom would tell me about growing
up with him, sometimes living at their house and Buddy
Hawley coming over. They treated her like the little sister
and put Buddy's glasses on her to watch her get
dizzy and fall, or the time when they got her
to lick the metal microphone they were using to practice.

(40:10):
In my life, I've gotten to meet some pretty crazy
people and hear some pretty crazy stories because of Whylan.
It has been an amazing existence. And to hear you
tell this story when so many times he gets overlooked
for Johnny Cash and William Nelson, understandable because they too
were insane. To hear you tell this story was perfect.
Not to mention that you ended it on such a
beautiful note with his sobriety not his death. It brought

(40:32):
me to tears. Thank you. I will forever be a
listener and now a Patreon supporter because you are one
of the few that I can confirm does the research
and tells the facts in all of your pods. Please
keep it going, and again, thank you, rock A Rolla, Tara,
Tara Huge. I don't know what to say. I mean,

(40:53):
I responded to you personally, but I'll say it again here.
Thank you so much. It's an incredible note and very
generous of you to say you didn't have to go
out of your way to make us feel validated. Here.
I'm just I'm happy that we did the Waylan Jennings
story justice, that we did the Jennings family justice, and
all props to Zeth Lundy who researched and wrote that

(41:16):
episode that we produced for you. Happy you dug it.
All right, let's play new song, old song, real quick,
new song White Denham Now listen. Not a new band,
per se, but a new song by them Ruby. I
love this song. It is fucking great. If you dig
that Rod Stewart faces vibe, you need something to get

(41:38):
stoked about the sun and the burghers on the grill
in the backyard, then this is your jam. Okay, Ruby
by White Denham Now old song. I'm looking up at
my wall in the studio here and I've got a
Rick Dalton poster. Rick Dalton character from Once upon a
Time in Hollywood, and Once upon a Time in Hollywood
has reminded me of Paul Revere in The Raiders. Mark Lindsay.

(42:00):
They take a lot of shit in that movie, okay,
but Tarantino is celebrating them. Now listen. I'm not going
to recommend Paul Revere and the Raiders, because you can
just go to the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
soundtrack and you can find a couple great Paul Revere
and the Raiders songs. But Paul Revere and the Raiders
remind me of another another band that I do want
to recommend. They remind me of a band from Boston

(42:22):
from back in the sixties called The Remains, or as
I refer to them, Barry and the Remains. Now listen,
I want you to go to their nineteen sixty six
self titled debut album and it's all great, but the
first song you want to play is Don't Look Back.
This song is tremendous. There's a reason that Boston's The

(42:43):
Remains were the only band open for the Beatles on
their tour here in America because they were great. Okay, now,
we talked a lot about Boston bands that deserve to
be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. In
this episode, Pixie's Jake Giles band The Remains deserve to
be in the Hall of Fame as well. Graham Parsons
just went in and Barry Tashian, a singer and front

(43:06):
man for The Remains. After The Remains broke up in
the sixties, Barry went on to work with Graham Parson
and was instrumental in working out the harmonies on Graham's
excellent album GP with Emmy Lou Harris Graham excuse me,
Barry is as far as I know, he's still around
and he's a great guy. I've had a privilege of
meeting him a couple of times he signed my book

(43:28):
that he wrote on his time about his time on
tour with the Beatles, But none of that is why
I'm recommending the song Don't Look Back is incredible and
this whole album, the self titled Remains Album, is great.
To check that out, all right. So that there recommendations,
that's just a taste. You want more. We got more
recommendations in the Hollywood Land feed with Zeth and I

(43:49):
in the Rap Party this week, we're talking about great
songs with the names of actors or actresses in the
song title Sean Once you grab a little clip of
that conversation and give the people here a taste of
what we got going on over in Hollywood Land. Okay,
I'm gonna start with an obscure one because it's super

(44:09):
personal to me, and it's Grace Kelly with Wings by Piebald,
which is a great Boston great pick. People call them
an emo band. They're a rock band, but they're part
of the whole emo scene and part of the scene
that I came up in. And the song is about
I believe I could be wrong. It's about a girl,
main Valerie, who we all knew and hung out with

(44:31):
and Travis from Piebald was romantically involved with her, and
this is the song that's about her. But it's just
a great song. It is so, so, so great, and
it's just about being arrested by the beauty and grace
of you know, you just see those women in your
life where you're just like, oh my God, like come

(44:52):
on man, stop. Yeah, and it's I think it's their
best song. And they have a lot of great songs
and they're still playing. Piebald is still playing. They've been around.
So Grace Kelly with Wings. It's on the excellently named album.
If it weren't for the Venetian Blinds, it would be
Curtains for us all, which if anybody wants to taste
of what like mid to late nineties Boston upstairs at

(45:16):
the Middle East was like, yeah, that record, will give
it to you. It's great. So Grace Kelly with Wings,
that's my first one. A bright guys, that is Hollywood Land.
Make sure you are subscribed to the Hollywoodland podcast on
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(45:37):
get mine and Zes's Hollywood based music recommendations in the
wrap party, along with Zes's excellent take on all things
Tinseltown and true crime. And there is a third piece
of content in the Hollywood Land Feed as well the
Screening Room. In this week, Zeth is preparing us all
for Drew Barrymore Week that's coming out next week. And

(45:59):
I bet my talking about Drew Barrymore stories. Those are
for me and my priest. Okay, I was going to
talk about him in the exclusive section of this after
Party with Zeth, but I held back. And you know,
maybe you want maybe there'll be a Disgraceland event someday
and maybe you'll get a couple of cocktails in me
and I'll talk out of school. But that's just you know,
like I said, I'm not going there. I'm not going there,
But Zeth is going there with Drew in different ways

(46:22):
this week coming up in Hollywoodland. Make sure you're subscribed,
all right. Zeth and I are also talking about Quincy
Jones and his batshit crazy claims that he made before
he died. We're doing that right now in the exclusive
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(46:46):
plus ad free listening. Plus by becoming an all access
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We taped it last night. It's our conversation on high
fidelity and all the great music in that film just
unbelievably cool. What an A plus movie, by the way,

(47:07):
just a plus. I put it up there with the
best of the best. And it's not just because of
the music. That story does not stop. It is non stop.
You're just locked in. There's constantly something happening that is
compelling you to want to know what happens next. And
that's just I mean, it sounds basic, but that's the
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(47:28):
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of the after party. All right, we'll be back right
after this. All right, guys, we are back let's recap,

(47:52):
shall we. My goodness, we talked about a lot different artists,
and in this episode I didn't even mention it's Apop's
birthday today when I'm recording this, So Happy Birthday. A
pop Iggy Pop episode. Great episode from the archive. You
want to check that out that's in there. Talked about
Nikki six. We have a Nicky six episode. We also
got a Motley Crue episode. Two episodes, I guess you
could put it that way on Motley Crue. Those are

(48:14):
in the archive as well. Fiona Apple and mentioned her,
but we don't have an episode on her yet. I'm
going to start researching that next week. Billy Corgan. Should
I do a Billy Corgan episode, a Smashing Pumpkins episode,
something about the shape shifter. There's a lot of drugs there.
With Jimmy Chamberlain and all that. I'm sure I can
find a way another Smashing Pumpkins story mentioned Blondie, Black Sabbath.

(48:34):
Get an episode on Blondie. Get an episode on Black Sabbath.
You know all this anyways, the archive, that's where it's at.
I get to get out of here. So let's recap
number one this week. Depeche mode available on your feed
right now. Number two Selena coming up in the rewind
slot this weekend on Sunday. Number three. Next week's episode,
our brand new episode on the Foo Fighters is going
to have you asking the question how did Taylor Hawkins die?
Hopefully we're getting some answers. Number four is that that

(48:56):
is going to give you those Hollywood and crime vibes
in the Hollywood Land podcast, so make sure you are subscribed.
You're also going to get my music recommendations over there
in the Hollywood Land Rap Party. Number five. This film
should be played loud. Our video podcast with our new
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Number six six one seven nine oh six six sixty

(49:17):
three eight. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark
corners of music history. So keep calling, keep texting, keep
your answers coming to this week's question of the week,
or with whatever else you want to talk about. I'm
here all right. Number seven. Don't forget disc goes. This
isn't just content. It's a community, a community of the obsessed.
No one cares about music. No one cares about books.
No one cares about records and the crime and crime
it ties them all together like you do. And well

(49:38):
that's a disgrace, all right. Sometime in May of nineteen
ninety six, Dave Gahana Depeche Mode overdosed on a speedball
at the Sunset Marquis Hotel in Hollywood. And here's what
America was listening to on that day, according to the
Billboard Charts. Number one The Crossroads Bone Thugs in Harmony

(50:01):
last week one, peak position one weeks on Chart three,
number two. Always Be My Baby Mariah Carey last week
to peak position one weeks on chart eight, number three.
Because you love Me, I'm up close and personal. Listen
to me Dion last week three peak position one weeks
on Chart twelve, number four. Nobody Knows The Tony.

Speaker 7 (50:22):
Rich Project last week five reposition two weeks on Chart
twenty four number five, last week four peak positions four
weeks on Shot eleven number six, Given one Reason.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Tracy Chapman last week show peak position six weeks on
Chart eight, number seven. You're the One ever Done last
week position Quit talking and start mixing.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Could