In Part 2 of this masterclass conversation, former Navy SEAL and leadership architect Rich Diviney returns to go deeper into the strategies behind his new book The Masters of Uncertainty—and delivers real, actionable frameworks for leaders who want to scale, perform, and lead better under pressure.
Dwayne and Rich explore how to literally reduce fear using a neuroscience-backed process called Moving Horizons, how to train your brain to handle chaos like a SEAL, and how to architect team trust with the 4 C’s of Trust framework. From building high-performance cultures to instilling behavior-based identity in teams, this episode is packed with takeaways for any business owner, leader, or parent navigating complexity.
Timestamps:
00:00 – Intro to Moving Horizons: Why the brain craves certainty
02:00 – The DPO framework: Duration, Pathway, Outcome
05:30 – Real-world example: SEAL training and horizon-setting
07:00 – Using cold plunges to practice focus under stress
09:00 – Coaching children using horizon-picking
11:30 – The neuroscience of dopamine, motivation, and why we quit
13:00 – How to shift your horizon in real time
15:30 – Eliminating fear by narrowing focus
18:00 – Learning to appreciate the moment without losing performance
21:00 – Can Moving Horizons help with mental health?
24:00 – Fear as a risk assessment tool (not something to eliminate)
26:00 – Why Part 3 of the book is a surprise gift for entrepreneurs
27:30 – Dynamic Subordination: The new leadership model
29:30 – Creating trust: The 4 Cs (Competence, Consistency, Character, Compassion)
34:00 – How most companies fall short on trust
37:30 – Building character and compassion in your culture
40:00 – Behavior = the bridge to trust
42:30 – Culture values vs. culture behaviors
44:30 – How to rewrite company values using “I Am” statements
48:00 – Mapping core attributes to job behaviors
50:00 – Redefining success as the exploration of human potential
53:00 – Final thoughts: You're not too busy, you’re stuck in certainty
Notable Quotes:
“Fear is not the enemy. It’s a risk assessment tool. The goal is not to eliminate fear—but to work with it.” – Rich Diviney
“If you’re too busy, it’s probably because you’re hiding in certainty. That’s the enemy of scale.” – Dwayne Kerrigan
“Our goal in life is to use life to explore our potential. That’s the real definition of success.” – Rich Diviney
“You can’t make anyone trust you. All you can do is behave in a way that earns it.” – Rich Diviney
Tools & Resources:
- Rich Diviney’s assessment & attributes work: www.theattributes.com
- Assessment tool use promo code KERRIGAN15: https://hub.theattributes.com/
- The Masters of Uncertainty – https://learn.theattributes.com/mastering-uncertainty
- The Attributes Book (2021) – foundational read on human performance
- “Moving Horizons” method – how to reduce fear through micro-goals
- The 4 Cs of Trust Framework: Competence, Consistency, Character, Compassion
- Culture Architecture with “I Am” Statements
- Dopamine and Motivation: How to manage goal-setting energy
Actionable Takeaways:
- Use “Moving Horizons” to reduce overwhelm → Set micro-goals with a defined Duration, Pathway, and Outcome (DPO).
- Teach your team how to lead themselves → Empower...
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