April 2, 2025 • 38 mins
In this episode of the Golf Fitness Bomb Squad, host Chris Finn welcomes Jack Smith, a prominent figure in the world of long drive. They discuss Jack's journey from traditional golf to long drive competitions, the unique training methods and recovery strategies that set long drive athletes apart, and the structure of long drive tournaments. Jack emphasizes the accessibility of the sport for aspiring athletes and the importance of proper training and recovery to enhance performance. The conversation highlights the tight-knit community of long drive competitors and the exciting future of the sport.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Chris fit Is Rudy the game, teaching these guys to
get bigger and stronger and faster.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
We're gonna blade him just.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
A fantastics doesn't get old.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Welcome to the Dolphinnis Bomb Squad. My name is Chris
finn I'm your host and I have a special guest
with me today in house, Jack Smith.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Excited to have you in, Buddy, you ask for having
me excited to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I come here all the time and uh never gonna
come in the studio excited.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
To be here, excited to uh to pop that cherry
for you. It's uh, it was funny. I was joking
with the guys that you were in getting treatment obviously before,
and I said, man, I really hope they don't mess
him up too bad that he can't come in and talk.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
And yeah, I'll be using the chair swivel neck. I
won't be able to turn my neck like the old batman.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Exactly, exactly cool. You know, I think one of the
coolest things I have in you here is obviously I
love I want to get into obviously you just had
the the event this past weekend kind of here and
think for a lot of listeners there's not a lot
of insight in terms of what it's like to compete
in the long drive world. Obviously, you're one of the
fastest humans alive, so there's some cool stuff that we
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can dive into from a training perspective as well. But
for those of you who know a lot of people
listening maybe don't know who you are, how'd you like,
how do you get in the long drive? Where'd you start?
Would you play other sports? And how'd you end up?
Kind of where you are now?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, So growing up I played every sport under the
sun until high school, and then I kind of started
selecting more for Okay, I might have thought too far ahead,
but would I do this in college?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Well?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I do this in college, and that's what made me
pick certain sports, and I was like, I like golf
a lot. Took it serious from freshman year of high
school to senior year high school and pretty much rebuilt
my swing back with a coach, Jeff Jones in TEXARKANAA
And from there I think I just had really big
aspirations to do d one golf. I was a ranger
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ra at, never played enough golf to learn all the
shots bag so that didn't end up working out and
took a big hiatus from golf from senior of high
school to junior college, picked it back up when some
buddies my fraternity won to golf. I didn't play any
college sports like intermural stuff, flag, football, basketball, but I.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Picked it back up and some buddies went.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Wasn't hitting it great, but I could still hit the
ball really far when I hit it well, and eventually
ended up getting in a ski wreck hitting a tree
going like sixty miles an hour fifty nine miles an hour.
I have like the little skiing trap that shows like
my altitude decreasing less feed increasing his drops. But that
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comes into play into the story because when I went home,
was resting for like a month or two, just bedridden
to where I didn't want to move.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I was so sore all the time hurting.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
My mom was like, you need to get some are
get back active, And I decided to go back and
just hit range balls, and once again, I still hit
the ball far. And a family friend, his brother in
law's Hal Sutton the professional golf off and it'll be
the right club today, you know. He They were like, Hey,
we're gonna go see how my brother in law can
you want to I want him to get eyes on jacket,
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see how far he hits it. And I goes, okay,
you know, Jack hits it far, but not knowing what
it was it's about. So when we went over there
and got fit, he was just blown away. And his
club fitter.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Chase Cooper, was like, dude, you ever thought about long drive?
I was like, never heard of it? And then they
mentioned it and talked about Kyle Berkshowers. Oh yeah, I've
seen him.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
He's the guy at the long hair. You know, he's
on my feet right now. And then they're like, yeah,
you could. You could probably make money doing that. Now,
I know you want to do golf. But I was like,
you know, I'll look into it, and so fast forward.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
So he finished what year is that?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
This is twenty twenty two, started twenty twenty two. January,
got in the wreck December twenty one, went back to LSU.
Finished up knowing Okay, my ad aspirations for medical.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
School and was studying biology.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Just took the MCAT, had my application and the review
or in the medical school process, and I decided like,
let's try a couple of these amateur long drive events.
I won three of them using my golf driver and
I entered only three. I was like, okay, maybe there's
something here that's a sign.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
And for people who don't know what's interesting, a regular
driver in a long drive.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
And I'd say regular because at the time, like my
golf driver was eight degrees Callaway Road triple Diamond and
the chaft was like a forty six inch Ventus Black
seven Acts or something. A long drift club plays at
forty eight inches, which is USG max length, and the
club is four and a half degrees, so that's also
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it's under USGA regulations, both legal and golf turns, but
usually local rules dictate they'll limit it to forty.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Six got it? Now? Does the USGA have jurisdiction over
World Long Drive?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
They did when Golf Channel owned it and when Golf
Channel sold World Long Drive. Long Drive technically doesn't have to,
I think abide now, don't quote me on have to
like a bye by the USGA rules because they're no
longer under that umbrella.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
But we we did, got it.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Okay, uh to some extent. Uh So he still capped
the clubs at forty eight. But after one of those
three amateur events, I went that was by like march,
took all summer off and then went to that tour's
ULD's Tour Championship that year at the end of the year,
after at the time PLDA Professional Law Drive Association concluded
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and out of turn Pro got sixth places in that
and then after that concluded.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I know, tell all the heck of a story.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I think my back's ball speed at the end of
that was like two oh five ball speed, okay, And
I was, you know, trying to kill it and that's
all I got. But maybe it was my launch monitor,
my soft matt that was slow. But I called I
looked up who who's the number one player in world,
Kyle Burchhire, who's his coach? Bobby Peersons, Like that's what
I want, And so I called Bobby. You know, I
think I did hit two fifteen balls people by the
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time we talked to Bobby, and my dad called Bobby
and told him.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Next Bobby asked what my numbers are and Bobby He's.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Like, okay, yeah, and gave us a day. You can
come see me and we'll see, you know, kind of
what Jack's outlook looks like in the sport. And so
when I met Bobby we did a speed session. I
ended up averaging like two fifteen ball speed. My top
ball speed was like two twenty four to five in
that session, one fifty three close speed, and I was
blown away.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Bobby is kind of blown away.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
And he goes, Yeah, Craig, usually I subtract like six
miles an hour because usually those are daddy numbers. Daddy's
calling me like, hey, my son's pitching ninety five or
my son's hitting two fifteen balls.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Was like, I always take off like six nine miles
an out, whatever it may be. And but he goes,
but in this case, you're the opposite. Yeah, Like he
called me off guard.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
And from there that's just kind of where I got
into the sport and I haven't looked back. It's it's
been so addicting and people are awesome.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
It's such a.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Tight knit community as we're growing and coming back onto
the scene since the whole COVID shut down, and uh,
it is so entertaining.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
You know that.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Now I'm at a point even if I no longer repedia,
I'd still watch it because once I've seen it in person,
it is really incredible seeing somebody hit a golf ball
four hundred yards, like.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
When I hit one four hundred plus.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Sure, it's like kind of weird because I don't think
about it the same way.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
But when you're not hitting and you hear it, you
watch it, it's like that's nuts.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
And so if there was, if we can get that
sport back to the like a bigger stage, I think
people would really really like it.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
It's definitely I mean when I mean, I've obviously seen
you guys, heard you guys hit. I always joke that
I don't know if you guys know that you guys
broke our We have a glass break detector and the
security system and the building, and now whenever you guys hit,
the thing will beep in the front glass break. Yeah,
it basically sets it out for the thing thinks there's
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glass breaking.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
But the you know then I I I'm trying to
think the.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Last time I probably just hear my back pop.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
It could be that too. But there was one time
I went down to Bobby's place and I forget who
was there. It was might have been coldon, it might
have been there, and uh, there was three of them,
and Bobby's like, go hit with him. He gave me
a long drive driver, a baby giraffe trying to figure
out how to swing that thing. So I finally figure
out how to swing it. And so we said that,
so all right, I think Colin said we'll do We
did sets of think we did five ball sets, the
(08:27):
three five ball sets, and we did my total versus
their your his carry. I won one set because he
went ob but it was but that was like my
first like, holy crap, these guys. And I'm not I'm
not slow and my bass bees are generally like one
eighties but like so not slow. But I mean it's
like next level for anyone who thinks that the PGA
tour guys hit it far. Like if you ever get
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a chance to go to an event, watch one of
these guys hit it is. I mean his next level.
I mean it was the most humiliating, slash humbling experience
of my life. I'm so as hard as I can. Yeah,
I feel like I think Scotty might have been there.
I mean they're like, just fuck, they're just messing with me.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, And it's funny.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
And people always will come up to me that don't
know too much about the sport and they're like, well,
you're doing it with a forty eight inch shaft Like
this weekend, I actually grabbed my forty seven in schaft,
which sure it's one inch above forty six, which is
like what pros us right, PGA Tour pros. And I
still went like three ninety eight, two twenty five ball speed,
Like I can swing any club pretty much fast for
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relative to its length.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
You know, us kids golf club can't swing one fifty.
But I mean, you know, when.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
They're like, oh, well, you swing as fast as X
on tour, like, oh, do you think you could swing
faster than him?
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I was like, I know I can't. Like Lefty, I
could do it like you're fast, but like you don't understand.
But that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
It's usually when you say like ball speed or club speed,
people don't know enough about it general public to where
they're like appreciate it. They just hear it, and then
that's like, oh, do you swing as fast like ry Mickael.
Now he is fast, don't get me wrong, but I'm
like thirty miles an hour faster ball speed than him
forty you know, and uh not that you know, I
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have my strengths and he's obviously at.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
His Yeah, he's in a great position.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah he's doing okay.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
So he's doing okay.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
But it's just one of those things that if there's
a way to show the comparisons of long drive, like
that's what I did with some of my YouTube or
Instagram videos where it's like compare my numbers the PGA
Tour average. Showing the comparison helps people get more of
a grasp on what we do. And then that's when
I'll start getting comments like that's insane or bs yeah,
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and I'll take them both because now they're getting me engaged.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Thank you very much. Exactly. So what you know, you've
obviously you played you know, I guess traditional golf, right,
and then now you're in long drive training wise, what
is different? You know, if we talk about a rory,
you know the guys that are you know Cam Young,
all those guys who are you know, at their ball
speeds are one eighty five, one ninety. The difference of
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how you approach training how long drivers in general will
look and obsolutely. We both know Bobby I always joke
he's the smartest chicken farmer I've ever met. But you know,
knowing I work with the guys on the PGA Tour
I work with. So you got a lot of you
guys on the well long drive. What do you as
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the athlete, what do you see as the big difference
of how you guys approach the drivers? And you know,
the drivers swing as opposed to somebody who's playing on course.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
So my goal is when I practiced to swing hard,
and while people who golf try to swing hard and
they start losing control, I swing hard often to gain
control at that speed. You know, if you're used to
cruising at like one ten clubs speed golfing, you might
get really good at that, and then you try to
spire at the one fifteen you start losing control.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Well, I try to always swing in my rev.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Limitter so that I'm practicing at the speeds I want
to compete at. And honestly, that's given me a lot
more control throughout my bag. Not that I actice the
rest of it, but the way I approach training compared
to like PGA Tour players, I can't swing the driver
more than maybe like two hours a day as fast
as I can. You know, well, they could go chip putt,
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spend eight hours practicing and they still recover, you know,
I'm putting such a strain on my body, especially the
faster you go.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
You swing one hundred and thirty.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
As you're fastest, you might be able to like three
speed sessions a week, four one forty, maybe two to three.
But once you get to like one fifteen, stuff, you
got to really watch out how much strain you're putting
on your body. And even though you're yo, I'm kind
of sore, but I'm fine. That next session could be like, oh,
I just pulled something and I injured something bad because
the body is let's be really not made to swing
something one hundred and fifty miles out of this.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
I know you got like three.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Dimensional joints and two dimensional joints commminage of it. You know,
I think we're made mostly to like pick up stuff
and push things. But my once I do my about
two hours of training, seventy five fifty balls, two hundred balls,
whatever it may be for the day, I am like
strict recovery with everything I do. I'm making sure I
eat like a bodybuilder in the sense of every like
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two and a half hours, I'm making sure I'm eating
a meal for protein, not just a shake or not
like oh, I'll just wait till dinner. No, there is
no Oh I'm hungry, but I'll wait a couple hours.
No I eat because to me, the food's like gasoline
a car. My engine is just like starving for like fuel,
and I'm not giving it anything. And so I'm always
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trying to eat. I'm always trying to go in the
massage chairs, let my muscles relax, or red light therapy.
Bobby's got grounding mats, anything and everything under the sun.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Whether it works or placebo. If it works, if it works,
whether it tricks me or not, it works.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
You know, your focus is always there, absolutely, always on
the recovery. And you mentioned a couple of things as
you were going through there, your your rev cycle and
speed sessions. Pretty I'm gonna guess ninety five to ninety
nine percent of people listening I have no idea what
those things are. But when you talk about those, that's
obviously it's common speak in your world. What are those?
Those are not thinks that the normal golfers going to
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be familiar with.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
With Bobby who's been doing the sport for our Peterson,
he's got immense knowledge on the sport and how he's
trained athletes and a lot of top players, champions, and
now with you guys. Fortunately, I've been able to work
with you guys now for a couple of years and
really a lot this year. Develop a training where I'm
kind of doing like three days on two days off,
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and on those three days I'm maybe pushing speed, kind
of feeling out. But day one I might be doing
a speed session where it's like, Okay, I get warmed up,
but today's about teaching my body to move quick. We're fresh,
but I'm teaching my muscles the fire quicker, make the
neuron signals happen faster, develop a faster twitch, and then
I might still hit balls outside that evening to work
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on shot shapes accuracy. But usually we do speed session
stuff inside, so you're not like your brain's not subconsciously
trying to control ballflight and slow you down.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
You're hitting a screen ball, hits you don't know where
it went. All you have is the numbers.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
So how does that How do you prep the body
for that when you do the speed session? What does
that look like?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
So I usually you know, I prep wise, I make
sure I'm well rested. If I'm not, I kind of
base it off that because I don't want to go
into it not prepared and hurt myself. But I've got
an hour warm up where I don't even touch a ball,
but I'm doing some drills, wall drills, training, a drills,
just patterning my body to get into certain positions, and
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then near the end of that warm up, sinking up
those positions with rhythm and timing to where before I
get to the first ball, my body feels like I
just hit fifty balls, but I have it, so I'm
not out the gate swinging with like a tight, over
the top swing and trying to get loose.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
And then it's like, Okay, I'm loose, but.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I just hit fifty really terrible balls. Now let's try
to hit good balls. You know I'm warmed up. We
could start out the gate trying to hit great ball.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yes, well, this is I always. We actually did an
episode on this couple episodes ago, if anybody's listening to
go check out. We talked about warm ups and the
difference between like warming your body up and warming your
golf swing up. And so I think I think that's
a lot of what you're talking about is I think
a lot of people mistake going and trying to bang
fifty balls to get quote unquote warmed up as like
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two for one and to your point, especially when done
a speed session, one hundred percent wrong.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
And that's something I definitely learned from you guys, which
I love, is it's you don't if you don't have
something well lubricated or oiled, it won't be as like
malleable or ready to adapt or form. And it's like
in my head, if I just woke up, I'm not
going to have the same blood flow of nutrients and
all my muscles as like someone who's at the end
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of the workout with a good pump. And it's like, Okay,
I want to have all the blood flow, get a
little pump, get blood in all parts of my body,
all the muscles so they're loosened up I like to say,
well oiled or when it lubricated to where they're ready
to be malleable to form and get loose the right
way instead of feeling like a dry muscle. It's like
a dry rod and rubber band, just you trying to
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stretch it out through swinging. And that's pretty much like
that routine I'm doing that work. It's like I get warm.
My engine's warm.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
I feel good before I start.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Okay, now that everything's warmed up, Now I'll start doing
the motion I plan on doing all day, which is swinging,
and let the body stretch and loosen the muscles that
it plans on using and not me like overstretching my
left hamstring or my hip, which usually might need to
be tight my swing to make me fast, but now
it's loose, and it might change my time.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Really, I think there's little things like that.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
All right, So you have your warm up, you're ready
to go. You're an hour in. Most people are done
and packing up their clubs at this point, I'll be
there forever different between a world champion level training and
uh not. So, so you do that for an hour,
then what the speed session? Now what?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And then after the speed session. If I do it
in the morning time, it's back to eating. It's relaxing.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
So let's dive into the speed session. A lot of
people thinking like listening right now, are gonna be like
they think of speed sessions swing in three different weight
it sticks.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
No, did I do a speed session.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I'm swinging my driver doing a twenty four ish ball
warm up where I'm just going through my positions while hitting.
And then once that twenty four is up, I put
a tag on track man that says speed, and I've
got one thing in mind, and it's to move this
club through the air as hard as I can for
the next fifty to seventy five balls and hopefully the ball.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Gets in the way.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Like I'm still trying to hit the ball again great contact,
But like I said, for this speed session, the goal
is to teach my body to be faster so that
when I go to hit outside, my body's able to control.
Like so I can max out in the speed session
one fifty five club speed. And now that I've told
my body to move that fast, whether the contact inside
was terrible not, now I can go outside working on
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ball striking at one hundred and fifty miles an hour
one forty eight with a lot more control.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
And it basically feels like you have like a red
line zone of safety where exactly so as you say
you're training top end speed.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
To have better higher end government speed.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Speed, so for golfers is to be like your all
out speed versus your gamer speed exactly right, Like you
hit as hard as you can on the drive range,
versus driver on along part five.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
And now, granted, I do want to swing as hard
as I can and at least in a long drivet competition,
but if I can make it easier on myself, I'm
making my average gamer speed as fast as everybody else's
top speed, like it should be an easier cake walk.
But it's you know, there's what's a human capable of
right now at certain standards, and I think we're pushing it.
So it's like, I don't think you really get that
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jump on somebody right now, but we're close.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
And uh, I know.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
That's because I would argue from a physical perspective, from
what we've seen from you guys, that there's another ten
miles an hour easy for people who train correctly. Absolutely,
I would say the number of guys that have come
in here and girls whose mobility sucks so you like
the injuries that we like. You guys are going so fast.
You guys don't have mobilities. You guys are driving porsches
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and to break walls repeatedly, and then wondering why why
the frame has bent.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Lining on being twenty five years old.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Well, and that's the other thing too, right, So it's
a young sport, and what we know from physiologic like
bone structure, particularly in the spine tends to kind of
solidify and like done, you'll be less malleable mid twenties.
So that's where we'll see a lot of guys kind
of have those issues. Is at twenty four to twenty
eight range. He said. For everyone listening at Xalaturus on
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the PGA tour, well known name similar age all that
side bend didn't work out so well, had to have
back surgery rights. It's a very common thing that we
see injury wise, and that's why I think the importance
of stuff you're doing obviously of all the roadary center mobility,
and this is the cool thing to me is we
have a guy in this chair for you guy are watching,
who's swinging north one hundred and fifty miles an hour,
and he has to work on the same things that
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you do at home swinging ninety five miles an hour. Now,
the degree of mobility that you need at one fifty
plus a little bit higher, of course, needs a little
stronger breaking system than the UH, than the than the prius.
That's that's going ninety five. But I think that's one
of the cool things to me that I think a
lot of people miss is you know, they see those
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videos where you post where it's like PJ Tour pro
versus Long Drive. But physiologically the principles of what are
required don't change. It's just the degree to which they're required,
that exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And what I like too about coming to you guys
is I think you practice what you preach because like
we were at Toddwellfie other night for the accelerator and
right handed or left handed, you were honestly cleaning house
on us long drivers swinging opposite handed, both in distance
and in just accuracy. And it just shows that, you know,
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I assume you still go through like some stretching routines
or just stay valuable to some degree, but you don't
have the time.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
I got three kids in business there. I don't have
the time that unfortunately now if I had the time,
I would, But yeah, no, I think that's the key though,
is I'm almost forty at this point and it's yeah,
still gym every morning five And I think for everyone listening,
you know, I have guys in their seventies, eighties, and nineties.
It's just a matter of being focused on what you
need to do. And I think if you want to
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be the best in the world, what you're describing is
what you need to do. But what doesn't change for
you versus the ninety year old you know who just
wants to play another two years or three years or
five years, whatever it is, is the need for a
focused understanding what I need to focus on and the
stuff that you may need to focus on is going
to be different than the other nine guys in the
top ten. You know, now, core principles, there needs to
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be a certain level of force that needs to be
produced from your lower body and your upper body. Right,
there needs to be a certain level of mobility that's there.
But I'll use Kyle. He's the most flexible joint for
joining human being we've ever tested. Like, if you have
a better shoulder mobility than him, you will not have
better hit Like that's just that's just a genetic thing
that he has, right, So that's something that it's like
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for him, that's an advantage, so he doesn't really need
to know hes to maintain it. But you know, you
have other things that you need to address, right, And
I think that's the principles don't change. But understanding what
it is that you need to work on changes you
know as you go. So let's dive back in because
I really want this to me. It's so important for
all of you listening to understand how to actually train
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speed appropriately. So you're hitting. So if you do twenty four,
you do in your hour warm up, you get your
twenty four working through your different positions. Now you're going
just all you care about is club speed. And in
a speed session, is there a point in that fifty
to seventy five balls where you like take a break
or you like take a breather? Are you just going
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out of breath? Talk about the markers were of how
you kind of gauge it? Yeah, I do you know
it's fifty versus seventy five balls.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I might going there thinking, okay, today we're doing fifty
and it's the same as oh I don't feel so
good today, but I'm going to the gym anyways, you
hit a pr on bench like you can't always call
your shot.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Yeah, but I might go in saying.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
We're doing a speed session today, We're gonna do fifty balls.
And as I go through the twenty four one and
then I start my fifty ball speed session. I might
be gaining speed initially really quickly, feeling good. Then I
might plateau at the same speed forever. And sometimes people
just think, oh, it's like it's over, I'm slow now.
But to me, it's there's a level of you have
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that initial energy because you're fresh, so your speeds climb,
but then that energy levels off and you start riding
that plateau of similar speeds.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
No gains.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
But in my head is if you can keep beating
at that wall, your muscles and everything will eventually free up,
and once they become loose enough and at the right tensions,
you will then all of a sudden clear that plateau
and shoot up again.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Some most people are like, oh, I'm slowing down.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Oh I hit a bad one, and then they like
mentally lose it and they crash and they quit the session.
I'm usually hitting and hitting, and as long as I
feel good and I'm holding a speed, and I know,
like that marker where okay, I'm a hold, then I
should try to climb again.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I'm gonna keep hitting. But if all of a sudden
I'm like.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Oh my back feels a little sore, all of a sudden,
I didn't feel that I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Stop, I do not keep going.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Or if I'm like, man, I'm like at fifty balls
at my limit, but like I'm about to hit my
pr and I feel good, i might hit another ten
balls like I'm trying, and it's like, oh man, I'm
like one mile per hour now and I just hit
another ten balls. I don't want to keep just adding on.
But then I'll start doing like a ladder game where
it's okay, I'll keep going. If I can beat one
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of those two numbers. If I can beat that club
speed by any amount, I'll hit another. I can beat
the ball sped, I'll hit another. But the moment one
or the other, what it does not higher in the
previous shot, I quit. So I always listen to my body.
And like I said, the goal is just to swing
hard and teach your by to move fast, but listen
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to your body.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
I think that's an important takeaway for everyone listening. I
think this is something I talk about with the amateurs
to keep it simple. As I say, get warmed up.
If you're going to do it session, I give him
the three ball ladder, so I say hit one. Now
you got three balls to match or beat what you
just did. And if you don't take two minutes off,
come back, try again, and you know, maybe you get
three four rounds and you know, we gradually go up.
(26:13):
But most amateurs aren't physically at a point to to
what you guys do. But I think what I looked,
I looked to switch lanes a little bit. Obviously, you
just came back from a squi ad for third. It
was finny. We were looking up the results and I
always look at the distances and I just look real
quick and I see you at four fifteen. H shit,
he want? But then the longest ball it doesn't win.
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So I think this is an important I think a
lot of people are still learning the you know, the
sport of World long drive, particularly after it kind of
came off. Now it's coming back more broadcast, more it
will be visibly seen. Can you touch a little bit
on the just general sport, and then you know then
obviously just about the tournament and what it's like being
a player.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
You know, on the grid, you would think World long drive,
whoever hits the ball the furthest wins. Conditions changed to
where if you had one big tournament and you had
people hitting from morning to afternoon in different groups cycling,
and they compare everybody's total. The wind could be in
your face for the morning group and they're all hitting
max like three seventy balls, maybe three seven, but like
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three fifty, and then the afternoon group gets down when
they're all hitting four hundred plus, everybody in the morning
group's out of the tournament.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
So the way it works is you're you're going against.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Who you're on the t box with in in real time,
so it's all kind of Now. There might be time
where you happen to wait and it's down wind and
then you get that ball off at the right time
and the wind shifts back, it's swirling and he's hitting
into the headwind.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
That's just that's the way.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
But you know my set, I had a someone like
the winning ball of the tournament was three eighty four,
but like I hit a four fifteen in my quarterfinal
match and it's just one of those things where it
was it beat the guy next to me, but it
it just.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Was able to allow him to move on, not win
the whole turnam.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
It's basically where in March madness now in the basket world.
So it's very bracket based for absolutely when you get
to the top eight. Yeah, so how does it start
and kind of take people just through walk them through
how the tournament progresses.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
So right now it starts, we'll just say how the
open division works. You have the top twenty eight and
then you'll have four people from the Rise Tour who
are in their spot, kind of a Monday qualifier they
get into the tournament.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Then from there they.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Do a round robin, which is five rounds of hitting,
and in round one it's going to be sixteen players,
so it's always groups of sixteenth. There's thirty two in
the field. They do two groups morning, afternoon, whatever it
may be. But round one, these four people of the
sixteen go, then four more of the sixteen go, four more,
four more, and based on how you do in that set,
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two minutes, thirty seconds, sixth ball to and so first
set might be you, myself, Caleb, and Bobby Pringle. If
you come out in first place, I'm second, Caleb third,
Bobby's fourth.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
You get two hundred points.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I get one hundred, Caleb gets seventy five, Bobby gets fifty.
If Bobby goes ob he gets minus twenty five for
a penalty for going ob and then I wait till
I have to hit in the round two because then
the other three groups go and then round two starts. Okay,
do I hit the first group, second, third, whatever? Now
are you hitting against three different people? So everybody would
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end up hiting against everybody, and based on like U one,
round one you got two hundred points, and then round
two you get third, you're seventy five plus two hundred.
Once those five rounds are over, it's just a brack
or it's just a list of how many points you accumulated.
Are you one of the top Are you one of
the top eight of that sixteen.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
To move on? Yes or no? If there's a playoff,
there will be a playoff.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Next sixteen will come in do the same thing, select
for their eight, making the new top sixteen of the tournament,
where they'll do that same format one more time to
have it to top eight. And once they get to
the top eight, it's like March madness. It's just any
match play. It's a one on one, heads up, one set,
two minutes thirty second six walls either hit the furthest
ball for the other guy.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Next year, you don't you move on?
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Or you don't, And what's the degree for people who
don't know. If you hit a ball and it's two
inches farther than the other guy, or it.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Has to be at least at least six inches further,
so we're both like between the yards mark or for
four seventeen, at four eighteen, we're both between it, but
mine's further. If it's not, it's still not four eighteen.
But if mine's at least six inches pastures, I win.
If it's within six inches, even if it is pastures,
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it's a draw, and they'll.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
And how And I don't think people realize. I think,
at least I didn't realize until I started obviously working
with you guys watching the sport. More like how often
that actually something comes to the play wild.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Marginal era We greatly go up, and people's dispersions and
everything way worse, but they're just as tight.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Is crazy.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
And I just think that speech for like the talent pool.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
We have is everybody's capable of hitting great shots and
really putting some big balls out there. And I got
a buddy mine, Bobby Ray. He's a fellow competitor. But
I mean, my first year in the sport, I think
I saw him get three ties at like three hundred
and ninety eight yards in ninety six, three hundred and
forty two or not forty ninety four three times within
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one tournament, and he was complaining.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I was like, I mean, I was like, I don't
blame it. That's that's because now it's having those points.
He got to split it with somebody and eventually led.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
To him not making it on because he didn't get
enough points to break that bubble line at eighth and
ninth place because he kept having with somebody. And I
was like, I get it, dude, that's terrible. Like I
feel so bad, but it is crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
And what's kind of one thing you know, just as
you know, world long drives kind of research, you know,
having his resurgence for you know, people who who don't
necessarily maybe have never watched the sport, maybe used to
watch it and kind of lost touch with it. What's
what's one of something you want them to know just
about the sport in general as it's kind of coming back.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Uh, the sport is not exclusive to freak athletes.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
And I'm not saying I'm a freak athlete. I'm probably
on the I'm probably pushing non freak athlete pretty hard
in the sense of like I'm I'm five eleven, I
didn't play any college sports. A lot of these guys
either played professional baseball like in the my farm system,
or college basketball, college golf, pro Mini tour golf, and
(32:37):
and you know, majority of these guys, like if they
had the average heights probably close to.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Like NBA height.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
It's a tall group, not white, that obvious.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
The NBA is huge, but I mean they're like six
five six four, six nine, six eight, two fifty two
eighty and I'm just five eleven. I was one ninety
coming to sport now two fifteen. But and I swing
like a golfer, so.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
I digress.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Or It's not exclusive to people that are just freak
looking athletes that are massive, big, strong. Anybody out there
that's got a mechanically sound swing or is fast can
definitely push it to become faster. Because my starting clubs
he was one thirty three, one thirty four with a
golf driver, and now I've pushed it to where I
were with a long drivet club. I've swung at one
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hundred and sixty one point five two thirty eight point
seven ball speed, like I would have never thought that possible,
but I decided to give it.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
A try and add people supporting me.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
So if you have any interest in the sport, you
hit it far, definitely train and try to come do
it. It is very fun and it is possible. It is
not some as far out of the reach as people think,
because I think that does hurt the image of oh well,
I can't do that, you know, I'm just watching these
guys on TV.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
But like in golf, you can kind of relate.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Because there's the handicap system, like, oh, he's a scratch
golf for roh, I'm a plus this or I'm a
you know, fifteen handicap, you can kind of compare yourself.
But long drive, it's just it's one hundred and fifty
miles an hour and far and I don't and he's
six nine to eighty pounds and I'm not, so I'm
out of the picture.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
So it's hard to make that connection.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
I think the story though, that you just told is
I think that's one that is a very real connection
to these guys and everyone listening, is you started thirty
miles an hour slower.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Absolutely, you are now one hundred and seventy pounds, Like,
I just.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, So the frameone listening he was swinging over one
hundred and thirty miles an hour and you got thirty
miles an hour faster.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
And that was within literally within uh probably a year
and some change.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yeah, and so I think that's to me, that's when
I think of the average golfer particularly, you know, any
of you listening over forty and you're like a father time,
Like I'm gonna get Like, dude, you're ninety five and
swinging one one oh five would change your life. That's
a third and you're not even near the top quartile
of for your age group. Right.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
There's people in long drive that are.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Like fifty years old or four years old swinging at
one hundred fifty miles an hour one forty five, like,
and they're healthy, you know enough, you know they dealt
with injuries growing up. But it's like it's not far fetched,
but they people do work at it, just like a
powerlifter really works at getting stronger. A bodybuilder doesn't just
get big. He still has to put in a ton
(35:17):
of work and fight in the gym. I do the
same with speed, Like I'm not just oh, I'm swinging fast.
When I'm in those sessions, I'm like torture myself mentally
trying to like absolutely unwind and almost hurt myself because
I'm trying.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
To, like, you know, just be better.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
And it's and it's led to me getting stronger and faster,
my boys having to adapt. But if I didn't push
that hard, I probably would have still gained speed, but
nowhere near the rate. So it is possible for people
to gain speed, or all people to gain speed, at
least with the climate golf's been in with just being
consistent me and roal body.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
But I think that's you know, for everyone that says
I always talk about the home assessment is a key
place that you got to go to, you know, and
we'll make sure those are that's in the show notes
for you because that just like with Jack, you gotta
know where to start, You got to know where to focus,
you got to know where to train. And yeah, anybody,
I've not I've yet to meet a single golfer and
over a decade who cannot get faster. I've met lots
(36:15):
of golfers who've tried to get faster the wrong way
and hurt themselves. But there is a right way to
do it, and I'm excited to see the sport over,
particularly over the next five years. I think as the
science of speed has become much more understood and now
that more of you guys are actually like doing the
right stuff instead of just random stuff, I think it's
really I'm really excited to see just those speeds continue
(36:37):
to climb and the numbers continue to go and to
your point, the tight knit kind of group that you
guys have, but it all work so hard, it's really
really fun to watch for everybody listen. I know you're
big on YouTube social where can people follow you, engage
with you kind of particularly through this season, And yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yeah, my main platform right now is Instagram. It should
be jack Smith Underscore. It's kind of hard to find
a unique user name for Jacksmith with LD for long
Drive because Jackson MC golf everything else. And then my
YouTube is what I'm trying to grow right now. I
actually enjoy making YouTube videos, but.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Doing it all by yourself where I'm trying to film
and do the hitting.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
It's kind of weird. But no YouTube is Jacksmith Golf
as well. You can check me out there. To your point,
who I want to throw in. I think people are
a lot of times two.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
People are scared to push peaks.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
They think they're going to hurt themselves, and they're always like, well,
what's the longevity and long drive? But I think Kyle
is a great example. He's flexible and he does take
care of himself, and he's been doing the sport for
I don't know since twenty seventeen maybe now, and he's
been and he's a three time champion. He's probably one
of the greatest to do it ever.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
That's kind of where I've really dove in with you guys.
Is protecting my body and it's not about just brute strength,
but it's like just I'm working on cour stability that
makes me look like I'm shaking like I just saw
ghosts yea, but like my abstracts fined, but like my
deep core was not. And it's like balancing that oulbum
my lower back, so like the tension in my body's balanced,
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you know, little things like that to protect my body,
so the energy from my legs up can like translate
out my arms without being released early my low back
and hurting something.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Well, I think that's a there is a point where
force production becomes there's a diminishing point of return. But
to your point, it's the then it becomes like for
you at this point is how do we minimize the
leaks in the system. Like you can produce a lot
of force, how do we make sure that we get
all of that it's humanly possible out to that clubhead
And I think that doesn't change for anyone else that's listening. So,
(38:43):
but Jack, thanks so much for coming in. Man, that
appreciate fun to have you in the studio live here
so and you know, as always, guys, thanks so much
for hanging out with me here on the golf Iness
Bomb Squad and we'll look forward to catching you on
the next episode.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
So
Chris fit Is Rudy the game, teaching these guys to
get bigger and stronger and faster.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
We're gonna blade him just.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
A fantastics doesn't get old.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Welcome to the Dolphinnis Bomb Squad. My name is Chris
finn I'm your host and I have a special guest
with me today in house, Jack Smith.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Excited to have you in, Buddy, you ask for having
me excited to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I come here all the time and uh never gonna
come in the studio excited.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
To be here, excited to uh to pop that cherry
for you. It's uh, it was funny. I was joking
with the guys that you were in getting treatment obviously before,
and I said, man, I really hope they don't mess
him up too bad that he can't come in and talk.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
And yeah, I'll be using the chair swivel neck. I
won't be able to turn my neck like the old batman.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Exactly, exactly cool. You know, I think one of the
coolest things I have in you here is obviously I
love I want to get into obviously you just had
the the event this past weekend kind of here and
think for a lot of listeners there's not a lot
of insight in terms of what it's like to compete
in the long drive world. Obviously, you're one of the
fastest humans alive, so there's some cool stuff that we
(01:10):
can dive into from a training perspective as well. But
for those of you who know a lot of people
listening maybe don't know who you are, how'd you like,
how do you get in the long drive? Where'd you start?
Would you play other sports? And how'd you end up?
Kind of where you are now?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, So growing up I played every sport under the
sun until high school, and then I kind of started
selecting more for Okay, I might have thought too far ahead,
but would I do this in college?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Well?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I do this in college, and that's what made me
pick certain sports, and I was like, I like golf
a lot. Took it serious from freshman year of high
school to senior year high school and pretty much rebuilt
my swing back with a coach, Jeff Jones in TEXARKANAA
And from there I think I just had really big
aspirations to do d one golf. I was a ranger
(01:57):
ra at, never played enough golf to learn all the
shots bag so that didn't end up working out and
took a big hiatus from golf from senior of high
school to junior college, picked it back up when some
buddies my fraternity won to golf. I didn't play any
college sports like intermural stuff, flag, football, basketball, but I.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Picked it back up and some buddies went.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Wasn't hitting it great, but I could still hit the
ball really far when I hit it well, and eventually
ended up getting in a ski wreck hitting a tree
going like sixty miles an hour fifty nine miles an hour.
I have like the little skiing trap that shows like
my altitude decreasing less feed increasing his drops. But that
(02:39):
comes into play into the story because when I went home,
was resting for like a month or two, just bedridden
to where I didn't want to move.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I was so sore all the time hurting.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
My mom was like, you need to get some are
get back active, And I decided to go back and
just hit range balls, and once again, I still hit
the ball far. And a family friend, his brother in
law's Hal Sutton the professional golf off and it'll be
the right club today, you know. He They were like, Hey,
we're gonna go see how my brother in law can
you want to I want him to get eyes on jacket,
(03:08):
see how far he hits it. And I goes, okay,
you know, Jack hits it far, but not knowing what
it was it's about. So when we went over there
and got fit, he was just blown away. And his
club fitter.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Chase Cooper, was like, dude, you ever thought about long drive?
I was like, never heard of it? And then they
mentioned it and talked about Kyle Berkshowers. Oh yeah, I've
seen him.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
He's the guy at the long hair. You know, he's
on my feet right now. And then they're like, yeah,
you could. You could probably make money doing that. Now,
I know you want to do golf. But I was like,
you know, I'll look into it, and so fast forward.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
So he finished what year is that?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
This is twenty twenty two, started twenty twenty two. January,
got in the wreck December twenty one, went back to LSU.
Finished up knowing Okay, my ad aspirations for medical.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
School and was studying biology.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Just took the MCAT, had my application and the review
or in the medical school process, and I decided like,
let's try a couple of these amateur long drive events.
I won three of them using my golf driver and
I entered only three. I was like, okay, maybe there's
something here that's a sign.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
And for people who don't know what's interesting, a regular
driver in a long drive.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
And I'd say regular because at the time, like my
golf driver was eight degrees Callaway Road triple Diamond and
the chaft was like a forty six inch Ventus Black
seven Acts or something. A long drift club plays at
forty eight inches, which is USG max length, and the
club is four and a half degrees, so that's also
(04:40):
it's under USGA regulations, both legal and golf turns, but
usually local rules dictate they'll limit it to forty.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Six got it? Now? Does the USGA have jurisdiction over
World Long Drive?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
They did when Golf Channel owned it and when Golf
Channel sold World Long Drive. Long Drive technically doesn't have to,
I think abide now, don't quote me on have to
like a bye by the USGA rules because they're no
longer under that umbrella.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
But we we did, got it.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Okay, uh to some extent. Uh So he still capped
the clubs at forty eight. But after one of those
three amateur events, I went that was by like march,
took all summer off and then went to that tour's
ULD's Tour Championship that year at the end of the year,
after at the time PLDA Professional Law Drive Association concluded
(05:34):
and out of turn Pro got sixth places in that
and then after that concluded.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I know, tell all the heck of a story.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I think my back's ball speed at the end of
that was like two oh five ball speed, okay, And
I was, you know, trying to kill it and that's
all I got. But maybe it was my launch monitor,
my soft matt that was slow. But I called I
looked up who who's the number one player in world,
Kyle Burchhire, who's his coach? Bobby Peersons, Like that's what
I want, And so I called Bobby. You know, I
think I did hit two fifteen balls people by the
(06:03):
time we talked to Bobby, and my dad called Bobby
and told him.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Next Bobby asked what my numbers are and Bobby He's.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Like, okay, yeah, and gave us a day. You can
come see me and we'll see, you know, kind of
what Jack's outlook looks like in the sport. And so
when I met Bobby we did a speed session. I
ended up averaging like two fifteen ball speed. My top
ball speed was like two twenty four to five in
that session, one fifty three close speed, and I was
blown away.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Bobby is kind of blown away.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
And he goes, Yeah, Craig, usually I subtract like six
miles an hour because usually those are daddy numbers. Daddy's
calling me like, hey, my son's pitching ninety five or
my son's hitting two fifteen balls.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Was like, I always take off like six nine miles
an out, whatever it may be. And but he goes,
but in this case, you're the opposite. Yeah, Like he
called me off guard.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
And from there that's just kind of where I got
into the sport and I haven't looked back. It's it's
been so addicting and people are awesome.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
It's such a.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Tight knit community as we're growing and coming back onto
the scene since the whole COVID shut down, and uh,
it is so entertaining.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
You know that.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Now I'm at a point even if I no longer repedia,
I'd still watch it because once I've seen it in person,
it is really incredible seeing somebody hit a golf ball
four hundred yards, like.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
When I hit one four hundred plus.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Sure, it's like kind of weird because I don't think
about it the same way.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
But when you're not hitting and you hear it, you
watch it, it's like that's nuts.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
And so if there was, if we can get that
sport back to the like a bigger stage, I think
people would really really like it.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
It's definitely I mean when I mean, I've obviously seen
you guys, heard you guys hit. I always joke that
I don't know if you guys know that you guys
broke our We have a glass break detector and the
security system and the building, and now whenever you guys hit,
the thing will beep in the front glass break. Yeah,
it basically sets it out for the thing thinks there's
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glass breaking.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
But the you know then I I I'm trying to
think the.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Last time I probably just hear my back pop.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
It could be that too. But there was one time
I went down to Bobby's place and I forget who
was there. It was might have been coldon, it might
have been there, and uh, there was three of them,
and Bobby's like, go hit with him. He gave me
a long drive driver, a baby giraffe trying to figure
out how to swing that thing. So I finally figure
out how to swing it. And so we said that,
so all right, I think Colin said we'll do We
did sets of think we did five ball sets, the
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three five ball sets, and we did my total versus
their your his carry. I won one set because he
went ob but it was but that was like my
first like, holy crap, these guys. And I'm not I'm
not slow and my bass bees are generally like one
eighties but like so not slow. But I mean it's
like next level for anyone who thinks that the PGA
tour guys hit it far. Like if you ever get
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a chance to go to an event, watch one of
these guys hit it is. I mean his next level.
I mean it was the most humiliating, slash humbling experience
of my life. I'm so as hard as I can. Yeah,
I feel like I think Scotty might have been there.
I mean they're like, just fuck, they're just messing with me.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, And it's funny.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
And people always will come up to me that don't
know too much about the sport and they're like, well,
you're doing it with a forty eight inch shaft Like
this weekend, I actually grabbed my forty seven in schaft,
which sure it's one inch above forty six, which is
like what pros us right, PGA Tour pros. And I
still went like three ninety eight, two twenty five ball speed,
Like I can swing any club pretty much fast for
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relative to its length.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
You know, us kids golf club can't swing one fifty.
But I mean, you know, when.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
They're like, oh, well, you swing as fast as X
on tour, like, oh, do you think you could swing
faster than him?
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I was like, I know I can't. Like Lefty, I
could do it like you're fast, but like you don't understand.
But that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
It's usually when you say like ball speed or club speed,
people don't know enough about it general public to where
they're like appreciate it. They just hear it, and then
that's like, oh, do you swing as fast like ry Mickael.
Now he is fast, don't get me wrong, but I'm
like thirty miles an hour faster ball speed than him
forty you know, and uh not that you know, I
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have my strengths and he's obviously at.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
His Yeah, he's in a great position.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah he's doing okay.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
So he's doing okay.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
But it's just one of those things that if there's
a way to show the comparisons of long drive, like
that's what I did with some of my YouTube or
Instagram videos where it's like compare my numbers the PGA
Tour average. Showing the comparison helps people get more of
a grasp on what we do. And then that's when
I'll start getting comments like that's insane or bs yeah,
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and I'll take them both because now they're getting me engaged.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Thank you very much. Exactly. So what you know, you've
obviously you played you know, I guess traditional golf, right,
and then now you're in long drive training wise, what
is different? You know, if we talk about a rory,
you know the guys that are you know Cam Young,
all those guys who are you know, at their ball
speeds are one eighty five, one ninety. The difference of
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how you approach training how long drivers in general will
look and obsolutely. We both know Bobby I always joke
he's the smartest chicken farmer I've ever met. But you know,
knowing I work with the guys on the PGA Tour
I work with. So you got a lot of you
guys on the well long drive. What do you as
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the athlete, what do you see as the big difference
of how you guys approach the drivers? And you know,
the drivers swing as opposed to somebody who's playing on course.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
So my goal is when I practiced to swing hard,
and while people who golf try to swing hard and
they start losing control, I swing hard often to gain
control at that speed. You know, if you're used to
cruising at like one ten clubs speed golfing, you might
get really good at that, and then you try to
spire at the one fifteen you start losing control.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Well, I try to always swing in my rev.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Limitter so that I'm practicing at the speeds I want
to compete at. And honestly, that's given me a lot
more control throughout my bag. Not that I actice the
rest of it, but the way I approach training compared
to like PGA Tour players, I can't swing the driver
more than maybe like two hours a day as fast
as I can. You know, well, they could go chip putt,
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spend eight hours practicing and they still recover, you know,
I'm putting such a strain on my body, especially the
faster you go.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
You swing one hundred and thirty.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
As you're fastest, you might be able to like three
speed sessions a week, four one forty, maybe two to three.
But once you get to like one fifteen, stuff, you
got to really watch out how much strain you're putting
on your body. And even though you're yo, I'm kind
of sore, but I'm fine. That next session could be like, oh,
I just pulled something and I injured something bad because
the body is let's be really not made to swing
something one hundred and fifty miles out of this.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
I know you got like three.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Dimensional joints and two dimensional joints commminage of it. You know,
I think we're made mostly to like pick up stuff
and push things. But my once I do my about
two hours of training, seventy five fifty balls, two hundred balls,
whatever it may be for the day, I am like
strict recovery with everything I do. I'm making sure I
eat like a bodybuilder in the sense of every like
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two and a half hours, I'm making sure I'm eating
a meal for protein, not just a shake or not
like oh, I'll just wait till dinner. No, there is
no Oh I'm hungry, but I'll wait a couple hours.
No I eat because to me, the food's like gasoline
a car. My engine is just like starving for like fuel,
and I'm not giving it anything. And so I'm always
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trying to eat. I'm always trying to go in the
massage chairs, let my muscles relax, or red light therapy.
Bobby's got grounding mats, anything and everything under the sun.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Whether it works or placebo. If it works, if it works,
whether it tricks me or not, it works.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
You know, your focus is always there, absolutely, always on
the recovery. And you mentioned a couple of things as
you were going through there, your your rev cycle and
speed sessions. Pretty I'm gonna guess ninety five to ninety
nine percent of people listening I have no idea what
those things are. But when you talk about those, that's
obviously it's common speak in your world. What are those?
Those are not thinks that the normal golfers going to
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be familiar with.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
With Bobby who's been doing the sport for our Peterson,
he's got immense knowledge on the sport and how he's
trained athletes and a lot of top players, champions, and
now with you guys. Fortunately, I've been able to work
with you guys now for a couple of years and
really a lot this year. Develop a training where I'm
kind of doing like three days on two days off,
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and on those three days I'm maybe pushing speed, kind
of feeling out. But day one I might be doing
a speed session where it's like, Okay, I get warmed up,
but today's about teaching my body to move quick. We're fresh,
but I'm teaching my muscles the fire quicker, make the
neuron signals happen faster, develop a faster twitch, and then
I might still hit balls outside that evening to work
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on shot shapes accuracy. But usually we do speed session
stuff inside, so you're not like your brain's not subconsciously
trying to control ballflight and slow you down.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
You're hitting a screen ball, hits you don't know where
it went. All you have is the numbers.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
So how does that How do you prep the body
for that when you do the speed session? What does
that look like?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
So I usually you know, I prep wise, I make
sure I'm well rested. If I'm not, I kind of
base it off that because I don't want to go
into it not prepared and hurt myself. But I've got
an hour warm up where I don't even touch a ball,
but I'm doing some drills, wall drills, training, a drills,
just patterning my body to get into certain positions, and
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then near the end of that warm up, sinking up
those positions with rhythm and timing to where before I
get to the first ball, my body feels like I
just hit fifty balls, but I have it, so I'm
not out the gate swinging with like a tight, over
the top swing and trying to get loose.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
And then it's like, Okay, I'm loose, but.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I just hit fifty really terrible balls. Now let's try
to hit good balls. You know I'm warmed up. We
could start out the gate trying to hit great ball.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yes, well, this is I always. We actually did an
episode on this couple episodes ago, if anybody's listening to
go check out. We talked about warm ups and the
difference between like warming your body up and warming your
golf swing up. And so I think I think that's
a lot of what you're talking about is I think
a lot of people mistake going and trying to bang
fifty balls to get quote unquote warmed up as like
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two for one and to your point, especially when done
a speed session, one hundred percent wrong.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
And that's something I definitely learned from you guys, which
I love, is it's you don't if you don't have
something well lubricated or oiled, it won't be as like
malleable or ready to adapt or form. And it's like
in my head, if I just woke up, I'm not
going to have the same blood flow of nutrients and
all my muscles as like someone who's at the end
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of the workout with a good pump. And it's like, Okay,
I want to have all the blood flow, get a
little pump, get blood in all parts of my body,
all the muscles so they're loosened up I like to say,
well oiled or when it lubricated to where they're ready
to be malleable to form and get loose the right
way instead of feeling like a dry muscle. It's like
a dry rod and rubber band, just you trying to
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stretch it out through swinging. And that's pretty much like
that routine I'm doing that work. It's like I get warm.
My engine's warm.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
I feel good before I start.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Okay, now that everything's warmed up, Now I'll start doing
the motion I plan on doing all day, which is swinging,
and let the body stretch and loosen the muscles that
it plans on using and not me like overstretching my
left hamstring or my hip, which usually might need to
be tight my swing to make me fast, but now
it's loose, and it might change my time.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Really, I think there's little things like that.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
All right, So you have your warm up, you're ready
to go. You're an hour in. Most people are done
and packing up their clubs at this point, I'll be
there forever different between a world champion level training and
uh not. So, so you do that for an hour,
then what the speed session? Now what?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And then after the speed session. If I do it
in the morning time, it's back to eating. It's relaxing.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
So let's dive into the speed session. A lot of
people thinking like listening right now, are gonna be like
they think of speed sessions swing in three different weight
it sticks.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
No, did I do a speed session.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I'm swinging my driver doing a twenty four ish ball
warm up where I'm just going through my positions while hitting.
And then once that twenty four is up, I put
a tag on track man that says speed, and I've
got one thing in mind, and it's to move this
club through the air as hard as I can for
the next fifty to seventy five balls and hopefully the ball.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Gets in the way.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Like I'm still trying to hit the ball again great contact,
But like I said, for this speed session, the goal
is to teach my body to be faster so that
when I go to hit outside, my body's able to control.
Like so I can max out in the speed session
one fifty five club speed. And now that I've told
my body to move that fast, whether the contact inside
was terrible not, now I can go outside working on
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ball striking at one hundred and fifty miles an hour
one forty eight with a lot more control.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
And it basically feels like you have like a red
line zone of safety where exactly so as you say
you're training top end speed.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
To have better higher end government speed.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Speed, so for golfers is to be like your all
out speed versus your gamer speed exactly right, Like you
hit as hard as you can on the drive range,
versus driver on along part five.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
And now, granted, I do want to swing as hard
as I can and at least in a long drivet competition,
but if I can make it easier on myself, I'm
making my average gamer speed as fast as everybody else's
top speed, like it should be an easier cake walk.
But it's you know, there's what's a human capable of
right now at certain standards, and I think we're pushing it.
So it's like, I don't think you really get that
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jump on somebody right now, but we're close.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
And uh, I know.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
That's because I would argue from a physical perspective, from
what we've seen from you guys, that there's another ten
miles an hour easy for people who train correctly. Absolutely,
I would say the number of guys that have come
in here and girls whose mobility sucks so you like
the injuries that we like. You guys are going so fast.
You guys don't have mobilities. You guys are driving porsches
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and to break walls repeatedly, and then wondering why why
the frame has bent.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Lining on being twenty five years old.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Well, and that's the other thing too, right, So it's
a young sport, and what we know from physiologic like
bone structure, particularly in the spine tends to kind of
solidify and like done, you'll be less malleable mid twenties.
So that's where we'll see a lot of guys kind
of have those issues. Is at twenty four to twenty
eight range. He said. For everyone listening at Xalaturus on
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the PGA tour, well known name similar age all that
side bend didn't work out so well, had to have
back surgery rights. It's a very common thing that we
see injury wise, and that's why I think the importance
of stuff you're doing obviously of all the roadary center mobility,
and this is the cool thing to me is we
have a guy in this chair for you guy are watching,
who's swinging north one hundred and fifty miles an hour,
and he has to work on the same things that
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you do at home swinging ninety five miles an hour. Now,
the degree of mobility that you need at one fifty
plus a little bit higher, of course, needs a little
stronger breaking system than the UH, than the than the prius.
That's that's going ninety five. But I think that's one
of the cool things to me that I think a
lot of people miss is you know, they see those
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videos where you post where it's like PJ Tour pro
versus Long Drive. But physiologically the principles of what are
required don't change. It's just the degree to which they're required,
that exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And what I like too about coming to you guys
is I think you practice what you preach because like
we were at Toddwellfie other night for the accelerator and
right handed or left handed, you were honestly cleaning house
on us long drivers swinging opposite handed, both in distance
and in just accuracy. And it just shows that, you know,
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I assume you still go through like some stretching routines
or just stay valuable to some degree, but you don't
have the time.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
I got three kids in business there. I don't have
the time that unfortunately now if I had the time,
I would, But yeah, no, I think that's the key though,
is I'm almost forty at this point and it's yeah,
still gym every morning five And I think for everyone listening,
you know, I have guys in their seventies, eighties, and nineties.
It's just a matter of being focused on what you
need to do. And I think if you want to
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be the best in the world, what you're describing is
what you need to do. But what doesn't change for
you versus the ninety year old you know who just
wants to play another two years or three years or
five years, whatever it is, is the need for a
focused understanding what I need to focus on and the
stuff that you may need to focus on is going
to be different than the other nine guys in the
top ten. You know, now, core principles, there needs to
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be a certain level of force that needs to be
produced from your lower body and your upper body. Right,
there needs to be a certain level of mobility that's there.
But I'll use Kyle. He's the most flexible joint for
joining human being we've ever tested. Like, if you have
a better shoulder mobility than him, you will not have
better hit Like that's just that's just a genetic thing
that he has, right, So that's something that it's like
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for him, that's an advantage, so he doesn't really need
to know hes to maintain it. But you know, you
have other things that you need to address, right, And
I think that's the principles don't change. But understanding what
it is that you need to work on changes you
know as you go. So let's dive back in because
I really want this to me. It's so important for
all of you listening to understand how to actually train
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speed appropriately. So you're hitting. So if you do twenty four,
you do in your hour warm up, you get your
twenty four working through your different positions. Now you're going
just all you care about is club speed. And in
a speed session, is there a point in that fifty
to seventy five balls where you like take a break
or you like take a breather? Are you just going
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out of breath? Talk about the markers were of how
you kind of gauge it? Yeah, I do you know
it's fifty versus seventy five balls.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I might going there thinking, okay, today we're doing fifty
and it's the same as oh I don't feel so
good today, but I'm going to the gym anyways, you
hit a pr on bench like you can't always call
your shot.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Yeah, but I might go in saying.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
We're doing a speed session today, We're gonna do fifty balls.
And as I go through the twenty four one and
then I start my fifty ball speed session. I might
be gaining speed initially really quickly, feeling good. Then I
might plateau at the same speed forever. And sometimes people
just think, oh, it's like it's over, I'm slow now.
But to me, it's there's a level of you have
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that initial energy because you're fresh, so your speeds climb,
but then that energy levels off and you start riding
that plateau of similar speeds.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
No gains.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
But in my head is if you can keep beating
at that wall, your muscles and everything will eventually free up,
and once they become loose enough and at the right tensions,
you will then all of a sudden clear that plateau
and shoot up again.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Some most people are like, oh, I'm slowing down.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Oh I hit a bad one, and then they like
mentally lose it and they crash and they quit the session.
I'm usually hitting and hitting, and as long as I
feel good and I'm holding a speed, and I know,
like that marker where okay, I'm a hold, then I
should try to climb again.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I'm gonna keep hitting. But if all of a sudden
I'm like.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Oh my back feels a little sore, all of a sudden,
I didn't feel that I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Stop, I do not keep going.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Or if I'm like, man, I'm like at fifty balls
at my limit, but like I'm about to hit my
pr and I feel good, i might hit another ten
balls like I'm trying, and it's like, oh man, I'm
like one mile per hour now and I just hit
another ten balls. I don't want to keep just adding on.
But then I'll start doing like a ladder game where
it's okay, I'll keep going. If I can beat one
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of those two numbers. If I can beat that club
speed by any amount, I'll hit another. I can beat
the ball sped, I'll hit another. But the moment one
or the other, what it does not higher in the
previous shot, I quit. So I always listen to my body.
And like I said, the goal is just to swing
hard and teach your by to move fast, but listen
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to your body.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
I think that's an important takeaway for everyone listening. I
think this is something I talk about with the amateurs
to keep it simple. As I say, get warmed up.
If you're going to do it session, I give him
the three ball ladder, so I say hit one. Now
you got three balls to match or beat what you
just did. And if you don't take two minutes off,
come back, try again, and you know, maybe you get
three four rounds and you know, we gradually go up.
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But most amateurs aren't physically at a point to to
what you guys do. But I think what I looked,
I looked to switch lanes a little bit. Obviously, you
just came back from a squi ad for third. It
was finny. We were looking up the results and I
always look at the distances and I just look real
quick and I see you at four fifteen. H shit,
he want? But then the longest ball it doesn't win.
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So I think this is an important I think a
lot of people are still learning the you know, the
sport of World long drive, particularly after it kind of
came off. Now it's coming back more broadcast, more it
will be visibly seen. Can you touch a little bit
on the just general sport, and then you know then
obviously just about the tournament and what it's like being
a player.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
You know, on the grid, you would think World long drive,
whoever hits the ball the furthest wins. Conditions changed to
where if you had one big tournament and you had
people hitting from morning to afternoon in different groups cycling,
and they compare everybody's total. The wind could be in
your face for the morning group and they're all hitting
max like three seventy balls, maybe three seven, but like
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three fifty, and then the afternoon group gets down when
they're all hitting four hundred plus, everybody in the morning
group's out of the tournament.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
So the way it works is you're you're going against.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Who you're on the t box with in in real time,
so it's all kind of Now. There might be time
where you happen to wait and it's down wind and
then you get that ball off at the right time
and the wind shifts back, it's swirling and he's hitting
into the headwind.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
That's just that's the way.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
But you know my set, I had a someone like
the winning ball of the tournament was three eighty four,
but like I hit a four fifteen in my quarterfinal
match and it's just one of those things where it
was it beat the guy next to me, but it
it just.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Was able to allow him to move on, not win
the whole turnam.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
It's basically where in March madness now in the basket world.
So it's very bracket based for absolutely when you get
to the top eight. Yeah, so how does it start
and kind of take people just through walk them through
how the tournament progresses.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
So right now it starts, we'll just say how the
open division works. You have the top twenty eight and
then you'll have four people from the Rise Tour who
are in their spot, kind of a Monday qualifier they
get into the tournament.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Then from there they.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Do a round robin, which is five rounds of hitting,
and in round one it's going to be sixteen players,
so it's always groups of sixteenth. There's thirty two in
the field. They do two groups morning, afternoon, whatever it
may be. But round one, these four people of the
sixteen go, then four more of the sixteen go, four more,
four more, and based on how you do in that set,
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two minutes, thirty seconds, sixth ball to and so first
set might be you, myself, Caleb, and Bobby Pringle. If
you come out in first place, I'm second, Caleb third,
Bobby's fourth.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
You get two hundred points.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I get one hundred, Caleb gets seventy five, Bobby gets fifty.
If Bobby goes ob he gets minus twenty five for
a penalty for going ob and then I wait till
I have to hit in the round two because then
the other three groups go and then round two starts. Okay,
do I hit the first group, second, third, whatever? Now
are you hitting against three different people? So everybody would
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end up hiting against everybody, and based on like U one,
round one you got two hundred points, and then round
two you get third, you're seventy five plus two hundred.
Once those five rounds are over, it's just a brack
or it's just a list of how many points you accumulated.
Are you one of the top Are you one of
the top eight of that sixteen.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
To move on? Yes or no? If there's a playoff,
there will be a playoff.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Next sixteen will come in do the same thing, select
for their eight, making the new top sixteen of the tournament,
where they'll do that same format one more time to
have it to top eight. And once they get to
the top eight, it's like March madness. It's just any
match play. It's a one on one, heads up, one set,
two minutes thirty second six walls either hit the furthest
ball for the other guy.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Next year, you don't you move on?
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Or you don't, And what's the degree for people who
don't know. If you hit a ball and it's two
inches farther than the other guy, or it.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Has to be at least at least six inches further,
so we're both like between the yards mark or for
four seventeen, at four eighteen, we're both between it, but
mine's further. If it's not, it's still not four eighteen.
But if mine's at least six inches pastures, I win.
If it's within six inches, even if it is pastures,
(30:37):
it's a draw, and they'll.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
And how And I don't think people realize. I think,
at least I didn't realize until I started obviously working
with you guys watching the sport. More like how often
that actually something comes to the play wild.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Marginal era We greatly go up, and people's dispersions and
everything way worse, but they're just as tight.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Is crazy.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
And I just think that speech for like the talent pool.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
We have is everybody's capable of hitting great shots and
really putting some big balls out there. And I got
a buddy mine, Bobby Ray. He's a fellow competitor. But
I mean, my first year in the sport, I think
I saw him get three ties at like three hundred
and ninety eight yards in ninety six, three hundred and
forty two or not forty ninety four three times within
(31:26):
one tournament, and he was complaining.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I was like, I mean, I was like, I don't
blame it. That's that's because now it's having those points.
He got to split it with somebody and eventually led.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
To him not making it on because he didn't get
enough points to break that bubble line at eighth and
ninth place because he kept having with somebody. And I
was like, I get it, dude, that's terrible. Like I
feel so bad, but it is crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
And what's kind of one thing you know, just as
you know, world long drives kind of research, you know,
having his resurgence for you know, people who who don't
necessarily maybe have never watched the sport, maybe used to
watch it and kind of lost touch with it. What's
what's one of something you want them to know just
about the sport in general as it's kind of coming back.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Uh, the sport is not exclusive to freak athletes.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
And I'm not saying I'm a freak athlete. I'm probably
on the I'm probably pushing non freak athlete pretty hard
in the sense of like I'm I'm five eleven, I
didn't play any college sports. A lot of these guys
either played professional baseball like in the my farm system,
or college basketball, college golf, pro Mini tour golf, and
(32:37):
and you know, majority of these guys, like if they
had the average heights probably close to.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Like NBA height.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
It's a tall group, not white, that obvious.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
The NBA is huge, but I mean they're like six
five six four, six nine, six eight, two fifty two
eighty and I'm just five eleven. I was one ninety
coming to sport now two fifteen. But and I swing
like a golfer, so.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
I digress.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Or It's not exclusive to people that are just freak
looking athletes that are massive, big, strong. Anybody out there
that's got a mechanically sound swing or is fast can
definitely push it to become faster. Because my starting clubs
he was one thirty three, one thirty four with a
golf driver, and now I've pushed it to where I
were with a long drivet club. I've swung at one
(33:20):
hundred and sixty one point five two thirty eight point
seven ball speed, like I would have never thought that possible,
but I decided to give it.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
A try and add people supporting me.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
So if you have any interest in the sport, you
hit it far, definitely train and try to come do
it. It is very fun and it is possible. It is
not some as far out of the reach as people think,
because I think that does hurt the image of oh well,
I can't do that, you know, I'm just watching these
guys on TV.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
But like in golf, you can kind of relate.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Because there's the handicap system, like, oh, he's a scratch
golf for roh, I'm a plus this or I'm a
you know, fifteen handicap, you can kind of compare yourself.
But long drive, it's just it's one hundred and fifty
miles an hour and far and I don't and he's
six nine to eighty pounds and I'm not, so I'm
out of the picture.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
So it's hard to make that connection.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
I think the story though, that you just told is
I think that's one that is a very real connection
to these guys and everyone listening, is you started thirty
miles an hour slower.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Absolutely, you are now one hundred and seventy pounds, Like,
I just.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, So the frameone listening he was swinging over one
hundred and thirty miles an hour and you got thirty
miles an hour faster.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
And that was within literally within uh probably a year
and some change.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yeah, and so I think that's to me, that's when
I think of the average golfer particularly, you know, any
of you listening over forty and you're like a father time,
Like I'm gonna get Like, dude, you're ninety five and
swinging one one oh five would change your life. That's
a third and you're not even near the top quartile
of for your age group. Right.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
There's people in long drive that are.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Like fifty years old or four years old swinging at
one hundred fifty miles an hour one forty five, like,
and they're healthy, you know enough, you know they dealt
with injuries growing up. But it's like it's not far fetched,
but they people do work at it, just like a
powerlifter really works at getting stronger. A bodybuilder doesn't just
get big. He still has to put in a ton
(35:17):
of work and fight in the gym. I do the
same with speed, Like I'm not just oh, I'm swinging fast.
When I'm in those sessions, I'm like torture myself mentally
trying to like absolutely unwind and almost hurt myself because
I'm trying.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
To, like, you know, just be better.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
And it's and it's led to me getting stronger and faster,
my boys having to adapt. But if I didn't push
that hard, I probably would have still gained speed, but
nowhere near the rate. So it is possible for people
to gain speed, or all people to gain speed, at
least with the climate golf's been in with just being
consistent me and roal body.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
But I think that's you know, for everyone that says
I always talk about the home assessment is a key
place that you got to go to, you know, and
we'll make sure those are that's in the show notes
for you because that just like with Jack, you gotta
know where to start, You got to know where to focus,
you got to know where to train. And yeah, anybody,
I've not I've yet to meet a single golfer and
over a decade who cannot get faster. I've met lots
(36:15):
of golfers who've tried to get faster the wrong way
and hurt themselves. But there is a right way to
do it, and I'm excited to see the sport over,
particularly over the next five years. I think as the
science of speed has become much more understood and now
that more of you guys are actually like doing the
right stuff instead of just random stuff, I think it's
really I'm really excited to see just those speeds continue
(36:37):
to climb and the numbers continue to go and to
your point, the tight knit kind of group that you
guys have, but it all work so hard, it's really
really fun to watch for everybody listen. I know you're
big on YouTube social where can people follow you, engage
with you kind of particularly through this season, And yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yeah, my main platform right now is Instagram. It should
be jack Smith Underscore. It's kind of hard to find
a unique user name for Jacksmith with LD for long
Drive because Jackson MC golf everything else. And then my
YouTube is what I'm trying to grow right now. I
actually enjoy making YouTube videos, but.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Doing it all by yourself where I'm trying to film
and do the hitting.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
It's kind of weird. But no YouTube is Jacksmith Golf
as well. You can check me out there. To your point,
who I want to throw in. I think people are
a lot of times two.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
People are scared to push peaks.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
They think they're going to hurt themselves, and they're always like, well,
what's the longevity and long drive? But I think Kyle
is a great example. He's flexible and he does take
care of himself, and he's been doing the sport for
I don't know since twenty seventeen maybe now, and he's
been and he's a three time champion. He's probably one
of the greatest to do it ever.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
That's kind of where I've really dove in with you guys.
Is protecting my body and it's not about just brute strength,
but it's like just I'm working on cour stability that
makes me look like I'm shaking like I just saw
ghosts yea, but like my abstracts fined, but like my
deep core was not. And it's like balancing that oulbum
my lower back, so like the tension in my body's balanced,
(38:10):
you know, little things like that to protect my body,
so the energy from my legs up can like translate
out my arms without being released early my low back
and hurting something.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Well, I think that's a there is a point where
force production becomes there's a diminishing point of return. But
to your point, it's the then it becomes like for
you at this point is how do we minimize the
leaks in the system. Like you can produce a lot
of force, how do we make sure that we get
all of that it's humanly possible out to that clubhead
And I think that doesn't change for anyone else that's listening. So,
(38:43):
but Jack, thanks so much for coming in. Man, that
appreciate fun to have you in the studio live here
so and you know, as always, guys, thanks so much
for hanging out with me here on the golf Iness
Bomb Squad and we'll look forward to catching you on
the next episode.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
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