EP 51 AJ WILKERSON

This week we Touchup on baby daddy’s. Tarryn’s baby daddy, comedian, AJ Wilkerson. AJ joins the show to talk about becoming a new dad, how it’s changed him, and what it’s really like juggling diapers and a career in stand-up. We cover the emotional shift into parenthood, life on the road, and how movies have become a kind of comfort currency in the chaos. It’s an honest, funny, and surprisingly thoughtful conversation with one of our favorite humans.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
I don't get a little touch up. Hi am teren
And you're listening to the top. We hope you're picking
up what we're putting down. Hey, guys, welcome back to
the touch up. Why Marie oh Man? What a week?

(00:24):
What a time? What a week. I'm happy to be here,
though I'm always happy to be here. I'm happy to
be here. I mean, postpartum is just wild.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
It It is something that you can't even control.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
What's happening to you right now?

Speaker 1 (00:37):
No, it's so crazy. And you know, I I went
and did like a little job just to see, like
dip my toe in and see how I how I
could do and how I would be. And I was
like literally instantly regretted. I didn't instantly regret it. I
was like, ah, yeah, I still got it. But I
just still got it. While my boobs are leaking, Yeah,
I don't like I didn't. I don't know, first time,

(00:59):
first time here.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
So you're like, I'm just gonna put some eyeliner in
your waterline.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
And I'm so sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Leak from juice? Sorry whoever you did?

Speaker 1 (01:12):
I know?

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Is it someone? But was it? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah? Yeah, it's okay. She's had kids, so she gets it.
It's not deal. Nobody said anything, but like just I
just had like a.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Arial I've been gone too long.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
I'm like, oh, so sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
You're sorry. I've been gone too I gotta go home.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah that's wild. Yeah, that's so crazy. That's a whole
other thing. But anyway, speaking of my leaky breast though,
Today our guest is a very funny comedian who I
happen to have a baby with. Oh yeah, it's gonna
be It's gonna be a good, good, fun little guest, also.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Known as Aaron James, Andrew, Jim, Andrew Jr. Andrew Junior.
I didn't know this, Yes I didn't either. Andrew's here, Andrews.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Andrew's here, So enjoy this episode. It's gonna be a
good one. Hi Andrew, guys, welcome back. We're so excited.
My baby daddy is here.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
Yay.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
A J. Wilkerson dad, comedian, funny boy, funny boy, roommate.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Great, great fashion.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
He's got great fashion in that room over there.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
I like go through, I'll look, I scan all those
jacket corn, all those shoes.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
You got good style.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yeah, he's style. He's a boy that likes shoes.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah, boy, that likes.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
I like bright colors.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah, you do, like my ADHD patterns. Peacocking, peacocking? What
is peacocking? Asking for a friend? You've told me this?
What is it?

Speaker 4 (02:50):
It's like showing up, showing.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
In my head feathers Okay, got it?

Speaker 4 (02:57):
Like strut around?

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Totally cute. I thought it was burying your head in
the sand. Is that also peacocking?

Speaker 4 (03:04):
That's ostriches?

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Ostriches, that's ostriching.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
I don't know my bullet No, I don't know my boys.
You think because I'm wearing glasses, i'd be an expert,
but I don't know.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
I only know birds because dinosaurs.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Oh okay, you are you a childhood autos okay, childhood autism?

Speaker 4 (03:20):
Ah right.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
I did want to get into autism a little bit
because there's a couple of things. Even though we're dating
and we have a child together, there's still so many
things that I don't know about you or that we
haven't talked about. Really because the whole case.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah, we can get into a little bit of therapy,
sash right now, or like I mean, like, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
The dating game. It's the dating game. Do you want
to baby mom?

Speaker 1 (03:43):
I know? Should we start dating. Now that we have
a kid, should we date? No?

Speaker 3 (03:46):
I guess, So let's get to know each other a
little bit more.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah. No, Well I do know a lot about you.
I know you're not from Nashville, You're from Florida. I
know you're a comedian.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Nice. Thank god? Okay, that's nice. Do you know what
his birthday? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (04:00):
May twelve?

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Great? What year eighty eight?

Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Wow? Nice?

Speaker 4 (04:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
I don't know your favorite movie or your favorite color,
but it's probably a bright color it is.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
It's like it's tea pink.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
I knew that pink.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
He was wearing pink shorts the other day and I
was like, are those pink shorts hot?

Speaker 3 (04:20):
I want to guess your can I may?

Speaker 1 (04:22):
I may?

Speaker 2 (04:22):
We have a go at guessing your top favorite movies.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
I feel like you're gonna do it.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
This Interstellar?

Speaker 4 (04:30):
What I like it? I wouldn't say it's one of
my favorites.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Okay, wait Interstellar.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
Yeah, Matthew McConaughey, it's like a it's it's a space
time travel Christopher Nolan movie.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Okay, Oh no, I was thinking, what's the one where
he shrunk himself down into a little machine and went
inside the body, mm Interstellar, No, who is what is
his name?

Speaker 4 (04:56):
You tell me the actor and I'll figure out what
you're talking about. Because outside of the Magic School busing
a blank.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Right, obviously not one of your favorite movies because you're
annoyed what I'm talking about?

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Missus frizzle the Magic school Bus and shrink the bus
down and they go inside the human body. They do it,
and I think Rick and Morty.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
I don't even know what movie you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Dennis Quaid, Dennis Quaid, Dennis Quaid Fantastic Voyage No. Eighties,
Dennis Quaid Interstellar. Let me see Hold on Inner Space?

Speaker 4 (05:31):
Inner Space.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah, I don't know that.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
I I don't know that I've seen that one either. Yeah, wow, okay, yeah,
or maybe I did, but I was too young to
remember it. I remember Dennis Quaid Enemy Mine Good One
and Lewis Goss Jr. Where they are like alien they're
like space pilots, like they're fighter pilots in space, and

(06:00):
Dennis Quaid crash lands and the alien that he was
like dog fighting with also crash lands on this like
very harsh planet and they end up like working together
to survive and becoming friends and stuff. And then the
alien has like like hat has a baby, like leaves
behind like an egg baby or whatever when he passes
away and Dennis Quaid raises it yep, good.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Great, great, and the alien baby.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
Raises yes, adorable.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Mac and Me, Mac and Me. You feel like a
Mac and Me kind of guy.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
M vaguely, I very vaguely remember it.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
You kind of feel like a big guy too big
tom uh yeah, big yeah yeah but big.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
Yeah, not even close. My favorite Tom Hanks movie. Top.
That's not a Brave Hanks movie.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
No, I know we've not done. You're not a mel
Gibson guy. I know that he's not a mel Gibson guy.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
I grew up on mel gim We all did. Guy.
I will watch Everyone's Dad, Okay, you know, just because
it's like but not. But that's because I'm history autistic,
not mel Gibson autistic.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Okay, it's okay.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
This is a movie about a guy who really existed,
so I'll watch it.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Okay, that kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Okay, okay, all right, just let us know what are
your favorite movies.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
I know, tell us, but your partner not like I don't.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Oh, we're going down that okay, Boondock Saints.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Forgetting Sarah Marshall.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
That's a great movie.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
Great movie.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
I really love.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
I love Jason Siegel.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
And I hear word on the street is that he's
a great person, super nice guy. Yeah, he seems like
a guy.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
Stripes, Bill Murray hair Old ramis where they joined the army.
Not a stand up he was obviously improve.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Sketch stand up. That's what I meant. It was he
ever a stand up?

Speaker 3 (08:14):
No, he's a sit down.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
He was a sit down. He was a laydown, stand up,
sit down fight.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
Actually one of my favorite stand up like like stand
up comics that like transitioned into acting as probably Michael Keaton.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
He was a stand up comedian.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
Keaton Beatle Juice was a stand up comedian.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
He was store O g One, one of my favorite.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
That's how he got discovered, and he did a bunch
of comedies, like his early career was mostly comedies. M
Oh yeah, well Batman was all exactly. That's one of
my favorite movie multiplicity Pete. Now we're gonna eat a dolphin.

(09:01):
We're gonna pet a dolphin. Oh, you're right, we're gonna
pet one.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
That's actually one thing that I've been really excited about Uh,
having a child is all the fun movies we get
to watch, like again, yeah, over and over.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
I've literally been archiving my childhood for the last nine
months just for that exact purpose. Yeah. You have the
og Teenage Mutant, Ninja Turtles, the animated series. I own
the whole set now, all of them.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Great, you gotta you gotta start really young with that,
because once they get a taste for the twenty twenty
five ship that's out there, they're gonna look at your
stuff and go That's the other thing I see.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
The other reason why I've been archiving.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Oh, it doesn't like any of your stuff.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
She's like, I'm like, remember the kids, and she does
what she like? Liked it?

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, not like obsessed. It's not like we can we
watch it again? Goonies, It's not can we watch it again?
I loved it, it was I like it, but it's
just not hitting the way that K Pop Demon Hunters.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
God, everyone is talking about K Pop Demon.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Hunters because that soundtrack slaps.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Okay, oh okay, okay, what dude, Okay. I know.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
She had me sit down. We were in New York
and she goes, mom, will you watch this movie with me?
And I'm like, I'll watch a movie with you, but
can I pick it? Can we work together on this?
She goes, no, it's gonna be this and this only.
And I look at the title K Pop Demon Hunters,
and I go, this is not gonna be for me.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
This is I'm gonna fall asleep in this. This is
not I'm gonna hate the moment of it.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, I was in there so long, on to every word,
every line. At the end of it, I looked at
her and I went, I was actually really good, enjoyed that.
Watched it again and I go, oh my god, the
music is actually really good.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
Like pop watch number seventeen, Mari's in the kitchen busting sweet.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
So they do where you have dance off?

Speaker 1 (11:03):
We have dance off? Oh yeah, I mean from school,
like guessing it pop music?

Speaker 3 (11:07):
It's yes, it's K pop.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
K pop music. What's the difference between regular pop and
K pop? One's from Korean and one one has.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
More more people in the group. K pop has like
thirty five. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
K pop groups are like the Wu Tang clan. There's
like seventeen members that bring that back in every performance.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
I don't know, so there's like thirty girls and like
six guys. Oh okay, yeah, so the movie is about
just three people in a band. Okay, I guess I'll
have to watch it. I guess I'll have to watch it. Yeah,
our baby's too young.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Apparently it took ten years to make Work in the Street.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
I also don't know if this is correct information, because
I don't know what's really anymore, fucking age.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
I don't know. I don't know a real movie. Is
it like an animated movie?

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Animated movie?

Speaker 4 (11:56):
Okay, I couldn't tell you.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
I couldn't tell me either.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Who's the guy that took forever to James Cameron?

Speaker 2 (12:02):
It's like James Cameron production some Avatar, But it just
looks like a regular animated movie that would not take
ten years to make Avatar.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Obviously, obviously, obviously, obviously, Burney Weaver.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
I just learned John Malkovich made a movie in twenty fifteen.
They filmed it, made the whole movie in twenty fifteen.
It's called one hundred years, and they locked it in
a vault and it won't come out until twenty one
to fifteen. They're literally waiting one hundred years to release
the movie.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Twenty one fifty nobody is going to be alive.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
Nobody from right now will yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Nobody from right now will yeah to unlock the safe.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
So it's gonna unlocked. It's like time released, like a
time caap.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
What person is gonna go.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
It's just it's sitting in the studio, like the studio
that made it. It's there, so an employee one hundred
years from now who won't have been.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Alive, that studio is still a thing.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Good point if it doesn't burn down like that.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
There's a Wu Tang album that they did the same thing,
like they recorded it and sold the album in it
like some billionaire like yes, I know, somebody fucked up
owns it. And so it's not it won't ever be
released our children, but it's being passed around like art,
like property.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Our old children.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Ninety years from now, would he ninety, he'll be ninety.
It will come out.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
If he's alive.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Yeah, yeah, he'll be alive.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
You're kidding me, Well, yeah, maybe by the time he's
an athlete.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
Yeah, Mari's gonna be personal training him. Yeah the whole time.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah, he's an athlete.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
We got you're so healthy, you're never gonnauck.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
You're basically Chris Traeger from Parks and Reds, like the
Rob Low character.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
One episode of that show. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
He's like he's like a health nut. He's like obsessed
with his health and body and stuff like that, and
he works out constantly. And there's like a scene where
he's like talking direct to the camera and he's like, uh,
He's like, what was it. He's like, like, scientists believe
that the first person who will live to be two
hundred years old has already been born. I believe I

(13:57):
am that person. I believe.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
That's totally alive. Just do the math.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
I was like two twenty one fifteen minus twenty twenty
five ninety years. I was like, I'm forty five and
would be one hundred and thirty five. I was like, not,
not possible.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
I'm not gonna not going to be there. I'm not
Gonna'm not gonna open say my case.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
I'm going to add it to my calendar now.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah, yeah, you never know.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, No, we need somebody around for Woody. So you
are his godmother.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Also in my head, I feel like I'm just this.
You know, you are what you you think, what you become,
You become what you think that is true.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
That mind is very powerflow. It's a very very powerful tool.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
It is I believe that I, oh, you're janis from friends.
I don't now.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
I don't do this a lot. Okay, little bangling, oh bingle,
rest in peace. This episode is dedicated to Matt Perry.
Yeah it sure is. Yeah, sure sure is. Honey, I
know this story. But for our listeners, will you tell

(15:09):
everybody how you got into comedy?

Speaker 4 (15:11):
Uh? Yes? And to stand up homework by a therapist?

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Okay, Well tell us that, well, he's late stage diagnosed.
He was diagnosed with autism at thirty, and I think
that happens to a lot of people, especially our age.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
Yeah. I was just kidding.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Her parents didn't know, you know.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Well, we were just talking about this the other day.
Turns out my parents might have known what my parents
might have known, because my mom was like, well, they
didn't call, they didn't say it was that. They just
said they said, like apparently in like nineteen ninety five
Shan's Hospital, somebody at Shan's told my mom that I
was like at like highly intelligent, like too intelligent for

(15:50):
my age. And she's like, they have names for that,
but we're just gonna call it hyper intelligent. So apparently
they were just like, I mean, we could call it
something else.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
But and so your parents were just like, we'll just
leave it at.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
That, We'll just leave it basically done.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
But this is also this is the same my mom.
I had a parent We had a parent teacher conference
when I was in second grade, and my teacher told
my mom that I was the most neurotic child she'd
ever seen. And my mom turned to me, the second grader,
and said, neurotic. That's where you're like Jewish but not Jewish.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Oh, he's a neurotic. H look at the little yamaka.
It must be a neuron.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
That she's not wrong in that check. Yeah, she was
a very neurotic. Yeah okay, but I mean, I know
you kind of were.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
Like statistic people might just be Jewish by design.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Oh there you go. I love that.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yes, we're growing, We're growing, We're growing. I know you
kind of were like something, maybe maybe I'm autistic, maybe
I'm not. Is that why you went to the doctor.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
It was always very easy for you.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
Lady nurse at the VA Hospital in Cape Coral, Florida
basically called me autistic, and I was like would you say,
and she was like, you're a lot like my nephew.
And I was like, oh cool, what's your nephew And
she's like, well, he has autism and blah blah blah
blah blah. And then when I was leaving the hospital
that day, she like handed me a list of like websites,

(17:17):
and so I went and started going to these websites
and like taking like assessments, and all of them basically
said you should talk to somebody, and so I went.
I finally I went to the University of Florida, the
Center for Autism and Related Disabilities, and they did like
a like an observation thing, and like my mom had
to come because they had to like have her fill
out like a big questionnaire thing about my childhood and

(17:39):
like what I was like as a child. And then
they like we had that appointment and then they wrote
me a recommendation to a therapist for an official diagnosis,
because it's very hard to get a diagnosis as an adult.
Actually why because most of the research is based around children.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
For like early the early intervention. How they understand.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
Yeah, but because I came from like a very rural,
very poor area that was like pre internet, so it's like,
you know, unless a doctor was subscribed to a specific
thing to learn about like updates in the autism diagnosis,
Like it just wasn't so I was like, but I
was smart, so I was in like gifted classes and

(18:23):
all of that kind of stuff. So nobody really thought
anything about it. Guy's just shy because she's small. He's small.
I got, I got. Oh he's book smart, but he's
not street smart.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
I do know because I'm the opposite.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
I know.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
And then sometimes I'll do something really funked up on
the streets and I'm like, but am I.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
I'm gonna get myself killed? Walking dead happens. I'm dead.
I'm street dead.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
I'm dead dead already talked about.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, because oh yeah I cook, I say home and cook,
and you beat the bobbies. Yes, yeah, we'll live forever.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
Oh like the last of us. She's Nickerman and you're
the husband.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
The husband, yeah is Nickerman and the girl boy the
boy girl, the girl boy.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
Nick Offerman is like a survivalist, like super like hunter Trapper.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Remember the cute gay couple. Oh my gosh, yes, you're Nickerman.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Nice.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
Yeah, you're the guy who built the compound and rescues
the other guy. Hot.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
He's the other guy, except I need like a big
strong guy to like actually help me do it.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
But you know, I'll hand them the fucking.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Tools, and you are the big strong guy.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
I need a bigger strong Yeah ye yah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah yeah that's hot. And that's even hotter and yeah.
So back to you said you got homework. So when
you finally talked to somebody, they told you.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
So I was talking. I was working with this therapist
and like we were just talking about like special interest
stuff and like things that I was trying to like
do because at the time, I was like, I had
a I had my bachelor's degree in like graphic design
and like digital media, but I was trying to teach
myself animation because I wanted to like my own like
animated cartoon kind of thing. And so I was trying

(20:08):
to like learn animation. And she was like, so why
do you want Why does it have to be animation?
I was like, cool, Well, because I have all this stuff,
all of these jokes and things that I want to
say and like stories I want to tell. And she's like, okay,
but why animation? And I was like, well, because I
don't want to say them myself.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Like something, because you're too scared to have like this
in front.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
Of social anxiety. And basically she was like, but you
you need a faster way to get your basically to
get your thoughts and things out, because basically, the way
she explained it is I have so much creative activity
going on in my brain that was unreleased that it

(20:50):
was putting pressure on my executive functioning skills. So basically
she's like, you have so much going on in your
own inner space that you can't function in reality, and
you need to like vent some of that out so
you have more room for reality.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
Uh So she basically was like, you're teaching yourself animation,
but you're trying to learn how to like draw, learn
how to like animate story like do storyboards all of
this stuff, and so you've put all of these hurdles
in front of you, and what you actually need you
need to cut all of that, like cut out the
middleman and just go straight to that. And she was like,
I want you, like, I want you to try to
go to like an open mic, like it doesn't have

(21:27):
to be a lot of people, just go somewhere where
you can like just say.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
That out yeah, say the things that are right here,
just yeah in the moment.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
And she was like, she was like you, like you
should try like a comedy open mic, because that's like
one of those places where, for the most part, like
people aren't going to be mad at you for what
you're saying, do you know what I mean? Like you
don't have to worry about upsetting anybody, because that was
like a big part of like speaking in public is like, well,
I don't want anybody to be upset, you know what
I mean. I don't want to say the wrong things.

(21:59):
But I grew up in the South, so it's taught
like manners like, oh, you can't say that because it's
not good manners. And when you're taught that, like none
of your original thoughts are good manners, you just stop
saying them out loud.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
So yeah, so then I had to like basically unlearned manner.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Right.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
Nice. It's like I know what manners are, and I
know there are times where I have I have to
use them, but I don't have to use them in
a day in my daily routine. Now I can just
be and say apologetically and you don't like it. Sorry
for you exactly.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Sorry, so sorry sorry sorry.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
Yeah, Like that's what like, that's what like free speech
actually means is I'm free to say whatever I want,
but you don't have to listen, like you don't like,
I don't have to be given a platform to say
those things. Yeah, my right is to just say them
out loud and not be arrested for it. Absolutely what
free speech is.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Absolutely, and people in the in the same breath, even
though we go, oh, these trolls commenting, you don't have
to say they have the right to say what they.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Want right back too, Yeah, no, I know they have
the right to.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
The Yeah you know, and we go okay, cool, Yeah,
it's up to me how I handle that, you know.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
But somehow my brain convinced me I had less rights.
I don't know if that makes sense, say it doesn't,
because I thought something was wrong with my brain, and
so my brain convinced me I had less rights. Like no,
but you shouldn't say it out loud because when you
do it, it's wrong. M do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Interesting?

Speaker 4 (23:29):
So that's most of what my early therapy was was
like figuring out how to undo some of those things.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Manners out loud and also manage to yourself.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah, so this was therapy.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
Give less grace to other people and give more to
your sake.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
And this was a half year old don't deserve it.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
This was after you served.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
This was after you were okay, and when you came
back you were like, what do I what do I do?

Speaker 1 (23:53):
No?

Speaker 4 (23:53):
After I came back, I like.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Went back in we're talking about the military.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
Yeah, after I came back, I went back into construction. Well,
first I went back at like I was doing medical
stuff for a while because in the Army I was
an X ray technician. I worked in a dark room
one on one with people. Yeah, do you know what
I mean? Low lights, nice, soft sensory environment, god metal skills.

(24:16):
I'd have to set like the controls for like the
specific image that I was going to take. Yeah kind
of thing. Yeah, one person at a time.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yeah nice, this is great.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah nice.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
Yeah, you should go back to that.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Just kidding, just kidding.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
Ever, I can't actually okay.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Well good physically and mentally. Sure.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
I got out of the military. It had been so
long since the military, like I got certified by the military,
that the it didn't pass over to the civilian world,
so I would have had to go back to college
and do it all over again. It's like, I'm not
going back to college for the same thing.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
No, No, I went for.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
Graphic design and yeah, stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
So after your your first stand up thing, open mic,
how did you like it? I mean, obviously you loved
it because you're full on doing it now. But I
don't think I know this well.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
I just I got because by this point I had
medical marijuana. Like when I was talking with the therapist
about it, because I was and she was like, you
every drug well I had. She had already given me
medical marijuana like earlier on and we had like discussed it.

(25:27):
Not like it's not like she just like handed me
a joint, was like here you need this.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
She was like she was like here you need this.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah. You know.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
But when we were talking about me going to do
an open mic and just do it as stand up
comedy to just get the jokes out, it was kind
of like that scene in Space Jam where they're like,
why do you listen to this guy? And they're like,
cause he's bigger then we used to be, you know,

(25:56):
when they like have the realization that they're like giant
aliens now because they got their bodies transformed and they
don't have to be bullied by Danny DeVito anymore. No,
because you know why never saw Space Sham.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
I know, I know it's been It's like I haven't
seen it because I'm like, I don't remember what.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
You're talking About's at the end of the movie after
Michael Jordan beats him, and Michael Jordan's talking to the
aliens because they're the monstars, you know, they're in the
science Bodies, uh, and they're like, why do you listen
to him, like the mean guy, yeah, the alien boss.
And they're like, cause he's bigger.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
And it was like it was literally that. It was like,
well because I get so anxious talking to like groups
of people, Like I was a department manager when I
worked at Low's, like years and years before that, and
I would have to do with the morning meeting sometimes
and I'd have to speak in the morning meeting, and
right after I would speak in the morning meeting, I'd
literally go to the bathroom, throw up and have a

(26:53):
panic attack.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
Ah.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
Yeah. So when she was like you should go to
an open mic, and I was like, you fucking go
to an open my you know what I.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Mean, you do it and you probably actually did a
great job speaking to those people too.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
I did pretty good. You know. I just got I
got in my car, I just got insanely high.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
And then it was like off.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
My medical marijuana. Yeah. Ye. Well.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
And also this was the thing that I didn't realize
I did until like after I got diagnosed and was
like going through it. But like in my twenties and stuff,
I'd like go out and like to bars and stuff
like that with my group of friends and things like that.
But it was like one, I had like a specific
tribe of people that I was going and doing those
things with. Do you know what I mean? It's like, oh,
I have four safe people with me or whatever. And

(27:40):
two I was just masking all of it with blatant alcoholism,
do you know what I mean. It's like pregaming the pregame. Sure,
you know what. I'd drink a couple of beers at
the house before I'd go to my friend's house and
drink a couple of beers with my safe people to
then go out and drink more in front. Like yeah,
that was the only way I could make it. From

(28:02):
step one to step four, which was people, Yeah, drink, drink,
drink okay.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah, because you're uninhibited because then you're just not thinking
about anything the way.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
That you can do. What's people? Yeah, you're a fucking dinosaur.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Like, yeah, what's people? Okay? So then when was it
for you that it clicked that you're like this comedy?
Is it this forever and ever? I this is what
I was meant to do my purpose.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
Pretty fast, maybe like a month in because I I,
uh my comedy dad Bob. So where I start? I
started going to open mics in Gainesville in Florida, And
after two weeks of open mics, a comedian was like, Hey,

(28:51):
if you like you're like you seem like you're doing
pretty good at this and if you want to like
keep doing it and get better, you should go to
this workshop like a writer's work shop that this guy
Bob runs. And so I went and I met my
comedy dad Bob, who is this road comic who like
did comedy in like the eighties and nineties, like pre internet,

(29:11):
and just never broke through like the TV ceiling, like
never got to do comedy on late night television, and
so it just like it just never really took off
for him. So he ended up coming back to Gainesville
to help take care of his special needs brother. His
brother is autistic. I think level three autistic.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Oh, I didn't know.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
I thought it was spectrum. I didn't know there.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
Well, it is a spectrum, but they classify it based
on like level of needs, like service needs. Trying to thing. Okay,
so level three it would be is what like people
on the internet call like severe autism or like profound
autism would be part of that.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Janelle's brother Falter Falter, Yeah, amazing.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
But so he came back to the Gainesville area to
help take care of his brother. And so he had
started these like weekly comedy showcases and to get on
the showcases, you'd come to the workshop, you know, like
they'd help you with jokes and material and stuff. And
I started going to the workshops and he was like, Okay,

(30:21):
you can do the showcase. And he had one on
one side of town and one on the other side
of town, and I did them both that first week,
and he was like you did, Like you did a
great job. You had great sets and everything. But since
these are like small like community bars kind of places
where like they have a lot of regulars people come
to hang out at the bar on these specific nights,

(30:41):
and he's like, since you're new, you can't come back
for a couple of weeks until you have like five
new minutes of material. So the shows were like Wednesday
night and Thursday night, and then workshop was Sunday. So
I came back Sunday and I had fifteen new minutes
of material. I literally wrote three more five minute sets,
and I was like, now I have enough to do

(31:03):
the showcases the rest of the month, right, And he
was like, you know, you could do this right? And
I was like what do you mean? And he's like,
if you wanted, Like he's like, you showed up with
new material. You've written this material like I did the
showcases and like I did really really good, and so
he was like, you're writing new material at like a

(31:23):
very fast rate, and if you can keep doing this,
if like you can keep like the material at this
level and keep writing at this speed, you can do this.
And I was like, Okay, if I can do this,
like for real, do this. It just took somebody else
being like almost like a like a school counselor or
somebody being like, did you know this was a job

(31:43):
that you could do.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Oh yeah yeah, And sometimes it takes one person, one
person to go. I believe in you, this is what
you should be doing. Would you have done it if
it wasn't for him?

Speaker 4 (31:54):
Or probably not, it'd probably just been a homework thing.
And I talked. I still talked to him, he literally
or bob. See see if I can play some of
these because he leaves me like voice like voice messages,
like he'll text me voice memos.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
Yeah, and you do it. That's how, that's how, that's
how real texting.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
That's yeah, if you just text me, I don't want to,
that's not friendship. Now I need you to voice memo.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
He's just leaves me all of these voice memos and
like most of them are like motivational and they're just
like just remember that, like like you got yourself here
kind of things and like you you didn't give up,
and like you went and did like the scary thing.
I don't know, I'll have to find a good one.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
So sweet, and he's so right, like you, you did this.
You are a small percentage of a vast sea of
comedians that want to be where you are so badly.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
And you fucking did it? You're doing it? Yeah, a
bad ass.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
That's well, But not just that. He was just talking
about like like just the with comedy, like to be
like to get like really good at comedy. There's a
lot of like hard work that people don't really realize,
do you know what I mean? Like cause a lot
like especially now because of like the Internet and stuff,
like people just they say jokes on stage and they're like,

(33:21):
I'm a comedian and it's not really how it works,
you know, Like you have to figure out like the
like there's an actual art form to it, sure, And
it's like it's a craft, sure, Like it's you're you're
trying to the entire point is trying to figure out
how to say the funniest thing the fastest. Like it's
it's economy of words. It's basically it's like writing haikus,

(33:44):
but every line has to have a laugh to it,
do you know what I mean? Like there's a specific
rhythm to comedy. There's also just understanding like the structure
of jokes and understanding what makes something funny? Do you
know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Like are you constantly writing?

Speaker 1 (34:03):
He's always thinking, I mean, I know.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Every time I see a j He's like he'll say
something and I laugh and I'm.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Like, is that going to be.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
A part of your.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Next Oh, I'm sure I got me.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
You'll be in it.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
And he's like, I just started making fun of you
on stage. I'm like, awesome, great good great good. Yeah.
I'm like, I don't care. I promise I'll never care.
Who are your favorite comedians? I kind of know this.
I know Kathleen's one of your favorites.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
She'll just reach out to me and be like, hey,
miss you, we shall I'm like, Kathleen, can we please
hang out?

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Now? Meet me at Sam's.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
I know. We went over there right before we had
the baby and they made because I you know, I've
been on like a meat kick. They made steak with
a bless you. Oh it was so good, and you
and just like bread with butter and you dip with
an aju. I was like, this is what meat people do.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
This is what meet people do.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
It was so good.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
She's so funny, man, she's so funny. I was watching
our episode actually the other day. She's just so funny.
She's so funny. She's that funny in real life. Yeah,
she's that funny. On stage.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Her stories are so good, her just her delivery, the
way that she tells a story.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
She's a magical person.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
She was a magical person.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
So Kathleen. Who else I mean?

Speaker 4 (35:25):
I love Kathleen, I love Bert, I love oh Okay,
I love Bert and Ernie.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
It's the only I don't know what other famous Berts are.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
God, I love so many comics.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
I love Ron White, George.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
Ron White, George Carlin, Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy, Chappelle.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Williams, Robi I know Williams.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
I love Robin Williams everything.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
God, he was just, he was just.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
He was just. I think like more like I like,
I think. Where people should know is Amber.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
She is.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
I love watching her clips and she's wildly funny.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Man.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
She's Caitlyn Palufo. If you haven't heard of Caitlyn Plufo,
go look her up. She's so funny. I did a
festival with her. I did Limestone Comedy Festival when I
was still like, not a headliner, and she was one
of the headliners of the festival.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Does she have curly hair? Brown curly? Isn't she getting big?

Speaker 4 (36:28):
I don't know, Oh, I don't know. I I don't know.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
She had a podcast or something.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
Is it c r K see I think Caitlyn. Yes,
Caitlyn Palufo, Palufo pum oh here she is. Yeah, she's
so funny. But we did this festival and I was
like one of the like in the showcase portion and
then she closed the show. But after my set, I
walked to like back to the back of the room

(36:55):
where all the comedians were hanging out, and she like
fucking shoved people out of the way to get over
to me to like give me knuckles, and she'd be like,
that was such a good set. And I was like,
oh my god, thank you. And she's like, you're so funny.
I was like, thank you. And then the comedian who
was on stage in between us finished and then she
went up and three minutes into her set, I turned
to the comedians who saw her say I was funny,

(37:17):
and I was like, was she fucking with me? Because
she was so funny. I was like, there's no way
she thought I was funny. She had to have been
fucking with me. What I thought?

Speaker 3 (37:27):
She was so funny before I was big.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
This was before I was big.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
I was like, you know, funny people, you're funny.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
This was before I knew funny. People thought I was
funny too.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
You know, you could have more than one best friend, right,
ah hard.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Though, Yeah, that's I'm I'm kind of like to see
over here.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
What's your favorite thing about girls?

Speaker 1 (37:52):
A j girls like us? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Just women?

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Oh yeah, what do you love about women?

Speaker 4 (38:00):
What?

Speaker 1 (38:01):
What do you love about women?

Speaker 4 (38:05):
Everything?

Speaker 1 (38:07):
That's a good answer.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
That's a good answer. You Yeah, do you like the
way they're pretty? Hair smells like that that we like?

Speaker 4 (38:14):
That's what I mean, everything like because I'm very sensory,
so like, girls smell better than boys. They're gentler than boys,
they're more like, uh, what do you call empathetic than boys? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Okay, yeah, yeah I love that.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
I love that type.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
I do feel like you a girl autism?

Speaker 3 (38:33):
So yeah, you like what is the girl autism?

Speaker 4 (38:37):
You gotta just I can't tell you because I do
jokes about it. So no, but it is a thing.
It's like women with autism, they typically like they develop
speech faster, and they're less likely to be like not
less likely to be socially anxious, but they're better at
adapting to social standards, so they're more camouflage.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
So interesting, I also feel like the whole process of
like childbirth, you've been like, whoa, women are crazy? Oh
yeah yeah, you're like you grew it, you had it,
and you're feeding it and keeping it alive.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Just a very new appreciation for.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Women. Yeah yeah, giving you a tiny, little, perfect little son.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
Yeah. Well, I mean like for women in general, yes,
but also for like you specifically.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Yes, yes, yes, as your partner, yes, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
I watched you turn into a human three D printer.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
That's a crashya, crazy way to like relate that.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Yeah, that's what I did.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
But that's what she did. And basically all I did
was give her like a little bit of DNA.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
So it's basically I emailed her like one paragraph for
like the group project, and then she spent the next
nine months finished shing the group project.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
Do you know what I mean? I contributed like a
paragraph totally.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Yeah. You showed up once.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
Yeah, yeah, one time I came for one.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
After one after school deception and she and.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
We barely even studied. We banged in a truck. You
know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (40:19):
You did, Yeah, in your new truck. You're like, look
what I got.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Yeah, yeah, no, Dodge all answered, got a hemmy.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
Yeah, they don't sponsor me. Yeah. Yeah, that's another comedian
I love is the old hemmy spoke like Dodge himmy
commercials like the death Thing. Got a HEMMI who he's
a stand up comedian named John Reap.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Oh, I don't know who that is.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
He's he does the job your sister now does for Ford.
Oh Dodge guy back in the day when they were
like focusing on their hemi engines.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Yeah, he was that.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
He'd be the like the he was the redheaded guy,
the red beard, and he'd like pull Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Wasn't he on the white track not white trash, blue
collar comedy tour? Was that? Nope?

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Okay, I don't noe. Nope, cool cool.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
I don't know anything. I don't even know who buzz
Lundren is.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
Buzz Aldrin always comes back to buzz Okay, maybe you're right.
Maybe I do love you because I know more stuff
than one of the defining.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Even when we're in a fight and I admit you're
right and you're still mad at me, I'm like, but
you might you're probably right though, what what partner is like? No, no, no,
you're probably right. Good, Yeah, kippy. Yeah, I know that
you're you know more stuff sometimes most of the time.

(41:48):
Sometimes I know you can't.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Yeah, you can't give him all that, because that's why
you spek like you know so much.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
And I'd be like, oh, I gave it.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
I Sometimes he doesn't know ship yeah like he.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yeah, because is going back full circle to where we started.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
No, I'm an idea guy and she's an executor.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Yes, yeah, she's hard executor.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
I don't even know where I fall somewhere fitness fitness.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Oh yeah, you're an executor, you executed. Here's here's the thing, Mari.
If I think you and I are very similar to
if I'm not into it, I don't care. It doesn't
exist in my world. You're the same way if if
like somebody is super into purses, you're not. You don't
know what a purse is, right, Yeah? Yeah, and you

(42:37):
don't ever want to hear about it.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
No. I know what I know, and I love what
I love.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Yeah, there's no fault in that.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Room for any other thing. Yeah, and I'm not interested
in nice backpack, nice backpack.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
I like your fanny, yeah yeah, I like your little
coin persons so cute. I don't know what a person.
Oh purse. I don't know how you sell that. I
don't know you're saying. You say, I didn't not.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
It's a clutch. If clutch my dick.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Okay, rapid fires also really quickly. What actually this could
be a rapid fire. But I was gonna say to
any comedians out there, what advice would you give somebody
a that wants to get into the comedy world and
b if anybody feels like they might be different or

(43:24):
autistic or whatever, what's the correct way to go about it?
Because I feel like there's a lot of self diagnosed
things and maybe false diagnosed things. Or what would your
take be on that m.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
For advice for people getting into comedy.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
It's the hardest thing ever. Yeah, it's like jobs.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
It's it's yes, it is, but like, don't get into it.
Don't get into it if you're not but don't get
into it if you're not willing to treat it like
a hard job. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Like, don't just be don't just go I'm a funny person.
I'm going to try sand up and not do the work.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
No, no, no. If you're like a hobbyist, if you're
like Oh, I'm a funny person and I'm gonna you know,
I'm gonna do this, Like absolutely, go to your local
open mics, do do that. Like, I won't dissuade anybody
from trying it. But if you're really going to pursue it,
don't do it. Don't pursue it unless you're gonna treat
it like a like a job, job, like an actual job. Like,

(44:24):
don't pursue it if you're not gonna take it serious,
you know, because like it's one of those things that's
very difficult to do, and it's there's a lot of
people that do it, and there's very limited stage time
like available past a certain skill level, right, And if

(44:47):
you're gonna pursue it and go like get past that
skill level, but then not take it serious, you're breaking
You're like you're basically ruining someone else's dream, right, do
you know? I mean yeah, so like you're standing in
the way of people's dream and like the people who
are working hard at something, and if you're going to

(45:08):
get there and then disrespect it, don't do it.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Yeah. Yeah, good advice. Yeah, And you probably don't realize
that until you're in it.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
Yeah, I do it's the same thing. It's like literally
the same advice to give like professional athletes, do you
know what I mean. It's like if you're like you're
in the NFL, now, if you're not willing to take
it serious, yeah, don't be here, don't come to work.
And it's the same thing. It's like there are people
who would give their left foot to be like in
these positions and in certain comedy clubs and rooms and

(45:40):
doing time in front of like an act, like a
bigger audience, do you know what I mean? And they're
like fighting tooth and nail to get into those spaces.
And then there's people who are just like, ah, yeah,
I'm friends with somebody who let me come and do this. Yeah,
And it's like, oh, you don't care about it at all,
You're just here.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Yeah, get out.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
You know, like, if you're not going to be intensely
passionate about it, don't be here. Like this is a
club of people who all have like a vested interest
in this, do you know what I mean? So if
you're not gonna have a vested interest in it, you're
watering down the entire league, you know what I mean.
It's like half the professional athlete.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Like if half of the.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
Players, if half of the players in a professional football
game just didn't care and put in zero effort, the
games would suck to watch. But that but and when
a game sucks to watch, and when like a sport
gets boring, that's why the sports keep like changing the
rules and they're like, how can we make our sport

(46:42):
more enjoyable, make it more interesting, fast paced or whatever.
It's because people stop enjoying it. And when people stop
enjoying it, like it's harder, like there's less opportunity to
do it.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
And this is what separates the great from the mediocre,
the media from the intermediate to the average. This is
what separates that mentality. Yeah, that's like, I'm I know
what it takes and there's no other there's no other
backup plan. This is this is it, and I'm going
to do everything in my power to make this fucking

(47:18):
happen because this is the only way.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
This is it. This is the only way.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
And and if you're not here with the same mentality,
and if you feel if you're.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
Disrespecting, it's not just that a lot of comedians I
won't say are autistic, but a lot of comedians that
next A lot of comedians, uh, have like mental health
issues and are myths fits. Yeah, We're an island of
mystery islands, you know what I mean. So it's like
a it's like a kind of in close like closed

(47:52):
circle group, do you know what I mean? And like
when you sit and talk with comedians about like that
actually care about it, that like understand the history of
it and like, you know, no comedians that you know
you've never seen pictures of do you know what I mean?
It's like, oh, they were funny before we took headshots.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Yeah, yeah, do you know.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
Like things like that. It's I don't know, it's like
being high, like it invested in anything, do you know,
like anything that you like pursue and like feel like
that passion about it. It's like no, if I'm I'm
willing to dedicate my life to this to be here
and I have and I understand its history and I

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understand like the importance of it, do you know what
I mean? And I understand like the impact it can have.
It's that do you know what I mean? It's like
you can't respect that, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
It's not just something that you're just.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
No, like absolutely. People can do it as a hobby.
It's like the same thing. It's the same thing with
like art, like if you were like a painter, Do
you know what I mean? It's like, if you're going
to get past a certain level, you have to take
it serious, like you're not just slapping shit together at
the last second, because it's going to be in a
museum next to like Van Go, do you know what
I mean? So it's like after a certain point, you

(49:18):
have to take it serious. I'm not saying if you're
like a casual painter, don't sit in your backyard and
paint like of course do this, yes, yes, yes, but
don't take like bullshit like to the actual like museums
and where these places are being are supposed to be
at a high level.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Do you know what I mean? Like I do.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
Yeah, Like don't go to the comedy store where like
people are traveling from all over the world because they're like,
this is the mecca of comedy. This is where the
best in the world do it. Yeah, and then don't
show up there with like knock knock jokes. You told
your cousin for sure, do you know what I mean?
It's like no, no, no, people came here to see the
best in the world. Do this. Yeah, don't fucking phone
it in here. Yeah, that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Back off that, Uh, what we're gonna ask about. Are
a lot of comedians artistic?

Speaker 2 (50:06):
No, I think that that was the same, because I
do know that there are uh, you know, it's kind
of like makeup artists. People can go, oh, I can
always tell I can tell that you're a makeup art
so you do that, or comedians have that thing.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
You all have that like that.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
We're just a little misunderstood.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
We're just the Misssmiths, so the island of the misfits
kind of.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
People, or just there's a very niche feel to a comedian.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
That's because a lot of us made our way to
that because we couldn't keep regular jobs, you know what
I mean. It's like it's the comedian is one of
those jobs you end up in when you're like, oh,
I can't live on disability, yeah, do you know, Or
it's like or unemployment or do you know what I mean?
It's like I can't hold a real job because I

(50:49):
keep saying fucked up things and I can't stop saying that.
I keep firing me for it, and I'm never gonna
get retired a retirement plan at this rate. What am
I gonna do? And it's like, well, I guess I'm
just gonna say fucked up things for a living exactly
because I was fired. But he couldn't stop laughing.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Yeah, well that's why we do what we do. It's
why we work for ourselves at the end of the day. Yeah,
you know, we're creative minds as well. I would not
put myself in a comedian.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Category at all. That's a no. I love to be silly.
I say a lot of up ship yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Yeah, not sucked up, but you know, I say what
I need, I say, I say what I say. Yeah,
you say, we say, swell some spaghetti at a wall
and see yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
Yeah. It's just one of those things like there's a
like I'd say if you ask them, like the majority
of the top comedians, it's like, what would you be
doing if it wasn't this, They don't have a real answer.
It's like, fuck, I can't do anything other than this. Yeah,
do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Exactly? Going back to like this is it. There's no
other way.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
So I'm going to dedicate all everything that I have
and give one hundred percent to this craft because there's
no one.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
That's but that's the only way to really get good.
So that but that's like my point is there's so
many people in comedy now that it's any Just like
any other art form that gets really popular, there's like
a gold rush to it when people who are like, oh,
I could make money at this, and it's like, well
you could, but don't cheapen the art form just trying

(52:19):
to make a quick buck, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (52:21):
It's like quick?

Speaker 4 (52:22):
Yeah, well cool, you know how to say hunt? You
write a joke with it? Now? Yeah, do you know
what I mean? It's like there's a difference. Yeah, so
now you're just upsetting people by just saying the C word,
but you don't have a joke to go with it.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
Sure, yeah yeah, so now you're.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
Just yelling it at a room full of people and
calling it comedy.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Yeah, happening too.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
And like as far as you know, going back to
like fitness, but like I'm thinking about maybe competing one day.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
I don't know, girl, I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Do whatever you want to do? What if you just
did whatever you wanted.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
I'm going to do whatever I want to do.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
So now just like kind of having this passion and
going deep diving into bodybuilding, like what the it's building
a body, it's building a body.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
It's going changing your body and building it.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
And now because of the influencing world, like people are
it's amazing, they're losing weight and they're you know, there's
a woman that I saw that it was one hundred
pounds but now she calls herself a bodybuilder and she's
competing on stage. And for me personally, in my own opinion,
like if you have the ball, like Gray, you have
the balls to go do it, I don't think she
should be there because it's kind of like the same thing,

(53:27):
like her body is not there yet.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Her body.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
It's kind of it's these are that are in well
because anybody can oh. But for me personally, and I'll
probably get some flak for this, it's taking away from
the sport, like these are athletes, Like the same thing
is like you're saying about comedy taking the same thing.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
It's kind of like you're watering it down.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Like people that are actually there because they understand what
it takes. They understand that this is sport. This is
an athlete. It's comes down to exact body composition in
your diet.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
And then you have someone that's like, I lost one
hundred pounds and now I'm just.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Going to be brave and bold and beautiful and put
myself out there and they have no their body is
not there. Great, that's an amazing goal to have when
you're ready, when you're that, when you've actually put the
real work in the real work and dedication of what
it takes to actually get there and stand on stage
to do that. That's just me and I feel like

(54:21):
it's the same thing as far as like that comedy
is concerned. Does that make sense, Yeah, totally, it's in
different That's what I'm saying in different.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
Forms, but that's what I'm saying. Like anything that anything
that takes a lot of effort to get to, like
the very top of people get protective of. Yeah, do
you know what I mean. It's like if we're if
we're the if you're the best, like UFC fighter in
the world, you don't want to turn on like a
UFC event and see like some like like slob from

(54:54):
the second Row jump in the cage and like fight
a professional fighter, or do you know what I mean.
It's like, well, that's not like we're tuning in to
see the best fighters in the world fight each other
because we want to see that level of competition. We
want to see that level of whatever this thing is.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
But now we live in.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Such a world because of all of this, where when
people put themselves out there, you have all of these people,
probably the same people who are putting Matt Rife.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Down for being elf applauding these people and then be
like you go, girl, show them.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Oh my god, you look incredible. You are ready hype
pipe HiPE pipe, pipe, pipe pipe.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
You're like, wait a minute, you know it's like those
things are true. She does look great Instagram?

Speaker 3 (55:36):
What is the actual?

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Are you ready for this?

Speaker 3 (55:38):
Are you ready to stand on stage with these people?
Just because what it boils.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
What it boils down to is like I'm this is
part of why I love Kathleen and she and I
are like on the same page as like I'm a purist.
Do you know what I mean? If you're gonna be
a stand up comedian, be a stand up comedian, like
dedicate yourself to the art form, to the craft, and
like what you have a lot of now, and I
think it it happens. It's the stand up comedy version

(56:03):
of almost like comic con, do you know what I mean.
It's like where celebrities will like go to a con
because they're like, well, I can make like, you know,
five grand, eight grand signing autographs, and then they'll they're
treating stand up comedy like that. Now they're like, oh,
I'll just go sell out like a comedy club and
just go up and be myself and just talk to them,

(56:26):
but I'll market it as stand up comedy and people
will go see me because I'm famous for this other thing,
do you know what I mean. Yeah, So it's like
when you do that, it's like, understand, they're people who
have dedicated their life to the art of stand up
comedy and the craft, and these comedy venues which there
aren't a lot of, like around the country. They only

(56:49):
have fifty two weekends a year to book performers. So
now you're taking that spot from someone who's dedicated their
life to that art form and to being in that space.
And it's like, go to a comic con and do
a panel, and a comic con don't do stand up
comedy in a club if you're not going to actually
be a stand up comedian.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Which and that girl should just I'm sure there's something
else that she could go do and be.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
I'll show this to you. Even you're gonna you would
be like, no, you're not ready yet. Right, it's amazing
that you as one hundred pounds. Great, keep working out.
When is the line where you're like, are you You're
called under a title it says bodybuilder, bodybuilder, fitness, and
and I'm.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
Like, bodybuilding my way to be a body great? Body building?
Yeah you got bodybuilding? Yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
Our world is just very funny.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
I know. But that's I mean, it's the same thing
with like, you know, makeup artist.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
I was going to say that too, Yeah yeah, podcasters, podcaster.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
I would, I would. I would say the difference is
but is more like bodybuilders versus strong men. M don't
as a bodybuilder, don't show up to like a strong
man competition.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Well, there's in a bodybuilding that you have your bikini,
you have wellness, you have bodybuilding, you have like different
like body compositions.

Speaker 4 (58:13):
No, no, no, I understand that. But what I'm talking about
is like like there's people who like are bodybuilding for
like esthetic bodies, and then there's like in a strong
man competition where it's like no, no, no, we're here to
see who is the physically strongest. It's like, yeah, your
body looks great. And it's like those people who like
want to be a stand up comics because they like

(58:34):
they're cool or they do you know what I mean,
And it's like, oh, I want to look cool, and
it's like, well, you look cool, but you're not strong
enough to be here.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Bingo, yeah, bingo, bingo, bengo, bingo, bango, bango, tango, tengo
wango pengo.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
Yeah, it's a sport.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
It's I don't want to discourage. I don't want to
discourage your girl from being a bodybuilder because she has
put in work to get to where she's at, saying
she's probably working just as hard as those people who
have the great bodies in that competition. Yes, but if
some guy is just there who has not done anything,
Like if some guy just shows up belly out looking

(59:11):
like Larry the Cable Guy, and he's like, oh, you've
done zero work at all today. Here, put yourself out there,
but you can't force yourself on out there. Does that
make sense?

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Yeah, but once you can, once you're out there, you
can't force your way in. You gotta work hard. Are
you ready for some rapid fires?

Speaker 4 (59:27):
Rapid fire?

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Okay? Aj Wilkerson, rapid fires are aliens? Real? Those are quick? Yes,
it's Santareal.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
No.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Who's your favorite celebrity you've ever worked with?

Speaker 4 (59:37):
Ooh Bert?

Speaker 1 (59:38):
If animals could talk, which one would be the rudest?

Speaker 4 (59:41):
Cats?

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Okay? Would you rather fight one hundred ducks horse sized
ducks or one hundred duck sized horses?

Speaker 4 (59:48):
Tiny horses?

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Okay? What's the weirdest thing you've ever eaten?

Speaker 4 (59:51):
I'm autistic, dude. Chicken nuggets. I don't have a strange diet.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Yeah, stick to safe foods.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
If you were a vegetable, what vegetable would you be?

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
Okra?

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
What would the title of your autobiography be?

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
This sounded better in my head.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
That's a good one. What's your guilty pleasure song?

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
CARDI B I like it like that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
If you could have any superpower for twenty four hours,
what would it be?

Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
Telekinesis?

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Would you rather always have to sing instead of speak?
Or dance everywhere you go?

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Dance everywhere I go. I'm gonna moon walk out of here?

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
If you were a cartoon character, who would it be
you were? I feel like, yep, Okay, what's the worst? Yeah,
what's the worst fashion trend in your opinion?

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
Skinny jeans?

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
God, thank god, the only fashion trend that is scientifically
proven to increase yeast infections. So skinny.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
God, there's not one guy who looks good in a
pair of tight ass skinny jean.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
No one's ever been like, hey, can we stop wearing
scarves because our necks smell funny? Do you know what
I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Well, what's the most useless talent? You have? Great? All
of them? Okay, what's the weirdest thing you've googled?

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
Does this look infected?

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Okay? What's your favorite thing about being a dad?

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Oh? Everything?

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Everything, everything?

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
Okay, being a dad, it's like my favorite thing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Oh, don't cry, I'll cry. Don't cry.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
I cry. I might cry. I feel like I might cry.
Oh god, he's gonna cry.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Oh damn it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
He's my best friend.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
I know, he's my best friend.

Speaker 4 (01:01:58):
Oh god, his face doesn't even work yet. He's my
best friend.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
Oh face doesn't even work yet. His eyes are just
turning to.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
He's so cute.

Speaker 4 (01:02:13):
The other day he had one eye straight and one
eye crossed.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
And I was like, yeah, he's so cute. They're coming
into landing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Yeah, my best friend.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Yeah, isn't that crazy? And you guys have known each
other for.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
A month one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Yeah, you guys are doing an amazing job, doing an
amazing job.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
The new joke that I've been I'm working on like
about him and the like being a dad is basically
being like, so I have to my best friend moved
into my house three weeks ago, and now I have
to like wipe his ass all because of this accident,
because ten months ago, I climbed in the cab of
my truck and plowed right into his mom.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
I'm the mom, you're the mom, I'm the mom.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
It's me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
It's amazing how you can like love something so unconditional
immediately immediately.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
It's unreal.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
It's weird.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Yeah, and he will feel the same exact way.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
Well, No, he's my best friend, but she's his best
like I am the I'm the third wheel best.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Friends not even it's not even hurts her tit. Yeah,
it's my boobs. Yeah he loves.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
But yeah, you guys are both in the same category
using her right now for the tit like he loves her, Yeah,
he loves her, yeah, tit.

Speaker 4 (01:03:45):
Yeah. I did see something about that the other day
where it's like as soon as little boys like start
developing a personality, they and they become Dad's best friend.
And I was like, all right, cool, I get custody. Yeah,
I get like, when he gets to that age, he'll
just always be like I'm gonna I'm gonna be I'm
gonna go with dad. Yeah, I'm gonna go with Dad,

(01:04:06):
and I'm gonna be like fuck yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
But he'll snuggle with you forever.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm into it and my feelings a little bit.
It's fine, be fine, I'll be fine. I'll be like, great,
I'm gonna Marie and I are going to Italy. Yeah,
you guys have fun.

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
You'll be fine. I know you'll be fine because you
have you like you You're like a cat. Sometimes we're
like no, and I've had enough, you know what I mean.
We'll be snuggled and you'll be like and I'm d
stop touching me.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Yeah, and I need to breathe. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:34):
Yeah. So I'm sure when he'll be like, he'll be like,
can I go with dad, and you'll be like, please
go with your dad.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Yeah, go with dad. Yeah it's nice, it's a nice thing.

Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
Take him somewhere. Yeah, just take him somewhere. I need
a break.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Yeah. Well it's a lot. Breastfeeding is just a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Just enjoy all this before you start getting I can't wait.
Walk in front of you, side hugs. I'm like, give me,
you know, and she's like like, what is this? You know,
side hug walk you and you walk into someone's body?

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Yeah, what is this? You don't even hug back? You
just stand there. Yeah, oh gosh, that would would.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
A lugging us like fucking Assie's kids.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Was it good or bad? I don't know that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
I hate I We talked about this because you rewatched
it recently. I hate those kids.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
I hate those Kelly and Jack and Jack when they
were younger.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Yeah they were teenagers. Yeah, they were teenagers.

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
Yeah, but they were teenagers. But they were like.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
From rich people.

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
They exactly rich, British rich, British entitled kid. What's the
neo baby?

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Baby?

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
Rich shitty entitled baby?

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Which there too? No, I don't know, I don't know,
but I'm sorry. They're older and wise and yeah, they're.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
They're lovely people. Yeah, yeah, just like nobody wanted to
probably hang out with us when we were teenagers either.
So let's just but anyway, on that note, On that note,
on that note, everyone go follow my baby daddy. What's
your Instagram? Is it a j Wilkerson comedy?

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Okay, but your TikTok is Captain of Autism? Yes okay, yes,
and I think you're doing some really fun ship that
you're gonna be releasing soon. Yes, so that's fun and
nail things that people have never seen before, right, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
Yeah, I'm editing like a special for YouTube, and I
was just in Josh Wolf's special on YouTube. Yeah, yeah,
that's what I was gonna ask.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
We were going to FaceTime him. He's busy.

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
Oh I know you're busy so fun.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
No, I was gonna name him when we were doing
the which Comedians do you love? But I wasn't sure
if it was time to FaceTime him because I was like,
what an organic way to just be like, do you
know what I really love is Josh Wolf?

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Oh you mean Jeff Wolf?

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
I called him Jeff.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
I called him?

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Oh did you call him Jeff?

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
You called him Jeff? I called him Jeff, you called
him Jeff if you called him Wolf not Wolf, Jeff
dummy idiots, just idiots.

Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
Now I want to like make like a fake character
Jeff Wolf, like yeah, like Jeff Coyote.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Yeah, Jeff Will I know off brand Chris Barney, Chris Bear.

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
Chris Bear sounds like an alternate comedian verse.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Friend Chris Bear. Yeah yeah uh. Anyway, go check him out,
and thank you so much for stopping by.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
See you later, by Jay, see you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Little bye, see later bye thanks a j bye. Way
home on fun.

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
It is your run.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
Anyone close opens