EP 56 LAURA VELTZ: THE RUBBER BAND EFFECT

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi, get a little such up. Hi am Teren, and
you're listening to we hope you're picking up what we're
putting down.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Oh, I love good laughs.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
I love good It's aggressive.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Nothing like good laugh like a good fucking lap.

Speaker 4 (00:22):
Yeah, welcome back, Mariy, Welcome back Terren.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Thanks everybody for coming back and showing up.

Speaker 4 (00:28):
Yeah, you need that coffee this morning.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
I need the coffee.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Welcome Laura bel Thank you. Oh my god, you guys,
if you don't know who Laura belt is, go away.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yeah, if you don't know who Laura Belts is, that's
perfectly understanding.

Speaker 5 (00:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
And also it's okay, I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 6 (00:46):
I know.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
The bitch behind the bitch behind the bitch behind, the
bitchy words, behind the.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Bitch talk to me right, not be my on my
tu stone.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
The bitch behind.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
I'm in the bitch behind the bitch, I lie the
bitchy words.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
I want that, I know. I want that forever.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Writer or extraordinary also like just all around incredible person.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
And we were just talking about how long we've known
each other, and now I'm actually very excited that you
guys both New Yorkers are now getting save that were
you like Mary normally can sniff it.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
I think you sniffed it.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Well, that's what when you walked in and you just
were like.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
And you're like, I'm like, oh, you're a bender and
a strutcher and in a jazzard and there's a bit.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
I find it interesting. Not only are we New Yorkers,
but we're both Italian New Yorkers. What's your other bits?
Do you have other bits?

Speaker 2 (01:43):
German, Austrian and Irish?

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Okay? So I literally just yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a lot. Yeah, Oh,
it's a lot, a lot for everyone.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
There's like a doors Catan in there. There's a Patricia
O'Reilly in there, there's a Hello in there. I forgot
I moved Bondle and then you know, it comes over
to America.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Helmuth Fandel of course, of course, of course, of course.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah. Where New York are you from?

Speaker 3 (02:12):
I was born in upstate, but then I lived in
Astoria for.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
I lived in Astoria, No, yeah, twenty eighth in Steinway
Brout also upstate New York.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Bro Where where were you? Okay?

Speaker 4 (02:24):
So I was born in nyak Niak Hospital and then
went to school in Orange County, grew up in Orange County,
New York, so like the Hutton Valley.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
I was born near Buffalo, Okay, in a place called Albion,
not to be confused with Albania.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Albania.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
I was going New York, themes Albany also that. Yeah, no,
it's near Buffalo. But then I was like one month
when we moved. But then before I moved to Nashville,
I lived in New York for the long like it's
the longest place I had lived until I moved to Nashville, Okay,
and it was Astoria, which honestly, I feel like, God,
I feel like listening off diners, but I won't.

Speaker 7 (03:02):
But they but no, maybe but maybe okay, yeah, because
the first love of my life, a story, a moment
was that one bachi park where all the old men play,
and it's on Steinway, yes, and then you turn and
then the Olympic Diner is like right, the Olympic.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Diner, and it's not there anymore, which breaks my heart.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Oh God, we get hard ons for diners.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
You love a diners in New Yorker, you just stick close.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Well, every time every time I go home, I'm like
diner because you don't even need a menu, you just go.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
Lobster with eggs and a hamber with French toast and
a stack of what you water would.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
End For me, it was a soup for real, and
they do that. The menu is a novel. They're humongous,
they're all laminated, and you just keep flipping until you
find something you like. Mine was always I was a poor,
poor girl, cheap, but it was always soup and a
muff like I was a muffin and a super girly
and Olympic diner had the most incredible corn muffins that

(04:05):
they used to slice directly in half and they would
grill the little bits and then butter that year. Yeah, baby, yeah,
baby real.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
I live right next door to the most amazing gyro
place ever, incredible on top of.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
A hookah bar. Oh yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Feel like I know exactly where.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, yeah, you know dit Mars Park.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
I used to just go and hang because me and
my sister lived for a minute. Who's also a songwriter,
Alison Belts Cruz we live.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
God, I forgot about that, I know.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Isn't that insane family business? Let's go. She's right beautiful,
Oh god, she's too beautiful. I gotta talk about updates insecurity.
For my entire life was just her beauty. Literally, I
was just like, she's so pretty. God, they are so
I get that now, but as a child, I was
just like, no, I'm not look at her like she's

(04:54):
she's like my sister, isn't she's a baby baby?

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Oh okay, my brain.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Just her stature, she looks.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah, it's not like I was shorter when I met her.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
She she may have been wearing some monster hills.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
I just like, remember, just like super confidence.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
She's just like she's an American beauty, do you know
what I mean? Like her lips are actually o G
lips and they look like the lips everybody buys. And
I'm like, who are you like, She's just a gorgeous girl.
To see her, She's stunners and the most wonderful person. Anyway,
she and I lived at the end. This is hysterical.
Only you will like get this. But you know how

(05:37):
the dip mar stop is the end, the n W
which is no longer the end that I can't it's
not no, there's no end now anyway.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, oh no, please, I love it when this happens.
When I go Mari, cool person, and then.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Mari were like singing the train stops literally like that's
the end of the train makes that noise every end,
it makes this big like like a sigh.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
And me and my sister lived in an apartment literally
people on the train like we saw people. It was
like literally on dip Mars and between I thirty first
and Mars. Yeah, and it was above the Igloo Cafe
and literally we would be in our beds sleeping everyone.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Live that.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Were literally but as it as like a pedestrian like
city person, it was the safest place because there were
always black cabs at the like black cars at the
bottom just ready to pick up all of the richies
who want to get out to wherever. And the train
was always there. There was always a business open.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
It felt really I always felt very safe living in
Astoria always.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
I mean I walked everywhere by myself two o'clock in
the morning, three in the morning. Yeah, no problems. Yeah,
just coming from like yeah, huh, that's unheard of now.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
Coming from but well, because my dad always told me,
he said act as though and he they're both from
the Bronx, so they're very just like he's like act.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
As though, act as though, yeah, they're not going to
act with you.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
Act as though, so I like walk around New York
City just like all puffed up like a six foot
two pound bag. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So no one ever
messed with me.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Literally, act as though needs to be a T shirt
or a hat or something. That's incredible. My parents didn't
say those words. My family, like my inner voice didn't
say those words. But I was acting as though, yeah,
never never look up was a thing. I was like,
do not look around that much, be just busy right
here where you need to go. And no one ever

(07:44):
fucked with me. I lived there ten years. I was
never bothered. Same loved it.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
My my roommate at the time, did get punched in
the subway, oh by a.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
By like who was the jolly green giant green mile
guy Like he looked like him. Yeah, he just looked
at her. She said she saw her coming. He just
like walked towards her, walked up to her, this tiny,
little like one hundred and twelve pounds woman, and just
punched her square in the face.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
And she didn't die.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
She did She's still alive. That's still live.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
She damage monster is hitting a person and she's alright,
she's good.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
There was like a trend, a New York trend. I know, sure, No,
it's a trend. It's like a weird thing. It's kind
of like people who love attention about something, like there's
this whole thing where it's like, yeah, walked. I don't
know who's talking, like, I don't know who's giving this advice.
But I feel like there was like a whole scene
of people like you're gonna get punched, and you're gonna
get punched.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, thank god, it never happened to me.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
Happened to Yeah, there's just crazy people people.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Crazy people people go to the ground.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Don't let it happen to me.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
I'd be out for a minute. But then when I
I probably cry. I mean it's so violating.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
Yeah, you cried and then walked away like she woke
up or whatever happened, and he was just gone.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
And what was the point was a person you just
needed to.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Get a punch out?

Speaker 3 (09:09):
Okay, I don't know, Hey, it was just a crazy man.
I understand the ceiling of wanting to get a punch out.
I just never really about it.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Your diary, you write songs about it.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Because you're not crazy.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yeah, you dig keys into the side of pretty little
stepufo wheel drive. Yes you you don't punch.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
No, I don't because you're a kind person who has
a big heart, like most people do. And then you
have that percentage of people or out of their f
in minds that do very very bad.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Things, tiny percentage.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
I didn't go to Buffalo until recently actually, so yeah,
we always hurt like downstate New Yorkers always heard about Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
It's about its cold, it's so far.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
New York State is deceivingly enormous. Like if you're like, oh,
try to if you're in New York City and you
want to get literally anywhere in New York State, pack
up several lunches, like it's not it's not short, Like
New York is huge, and Buffalo is on one side,
New York citizen.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
The other seven hours to get to far longer than
so oh eight hours, nine hour.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
It's a really long drive because I lived in Ithaca.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
Weirdly, for I had one of my best friends went
to Itha. Spent a lot of time up there.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
A college in the college the college corner glasses or
glasses frames.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
What kind of smart were they glass glasses, snow frames?

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Exactly? Choice either way. Yeah, I feel like that's a
whole poke. And then Buffalo is even further.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
And I grew up in like Tri Stay area, so
everything was like literally one hour outside of New York City.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
So it was my playground.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
I know.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah, I didn't have that experience as a young person,
but I did get to like relive my you know,
that's what I wanted. Yeah, I was a little I
was like, I want to be a pedestrian. I just
love I still hate driving. I would gladly, gladly just
uber everywhere if it was financially responsible.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
I kind of loved driving in New York City.

Speaker 8 (11:07):
I did.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
I forget what I know.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
It's because I think I did it for my whole life.
Like all of my teens, we would just drive into
New York City at sixteen, seventeen years old, just writing
the directions down, getting lost, going down one way road,
not to like.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Just that question. Yeah, writing down, Yeah, my quest left
right here. You're like, what is it?

Speaker 7 (11:33):
Like?

Speaker 1 (11:33):
I wrote it upside down?

Speaker 2 (11:35):
I never so there's something nostalgic about it.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
Wow, we're over the summer, I had to go in
because I had to upper for Terran do Trisha Yearwood.
And I drove in and I was just like windows
down music, lasting, just so aggressive and loving it.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, you loved it.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
I never did it once I lived there eighteen to
twenty eight.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
I never drove.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
I was so scared of In fact, I didn't even
get my license until I was twenty eight. And I
moved here and I was like, you're gonna need to
drive now? Wow, so imagine you lady.

Speaker 9 (12:10):
Good God agreed, Yes, that seem to be a very
similar fare very somewhere.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
No.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
I just hated the idea of being the responsible one.
And then, of course twenty eight, I'm like terrified to drive.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
I hate Yeah, you go your life doing anything.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
I have no sixteen year old defiance or like fearlessness.
I was so afraid. And then I moved here and
I was like, okay, I got to figure this out.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Oh the drivers here are wild.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
How are you now to this day driving?

Speaker 3 (12:38):
I'm fine, cautious no, actually no, in fact, no aware
I am. I shut my eyes. Actually I was going there, listen,
I'm a I'm a sleep driver. I know. I I
am a very like it's important for me to be
the one who I don't know what that is. It's

(12:59):
not what do they call it. It's like aggressive driving
or where you're in charge.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah, you're an aggressive driver.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
That's aggressive a good thing.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
That is a good thing.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
That's a great to me, a great driver.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yes, right, I'm attention you know when you're like, don't yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
I don't, like like I'm not, and I feel terrible
because then, like I'm always wondering if it's like a
new songwriter that's like Lauraville's just cut me off. And
I'm like, like I I'm always wondering if a new
songwriter is low key going, like we love our songs,
but good lord's a terrible guys.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
I mean behind the wheel, behind the wheel.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Do you know something that gets me off?

Speaker 4 (13:39):
Actually because I am aggressive, but I've found that recently
I love to let people in. I get off on
it because it's like I feel like power mister Rogers.
I'm like, come on, come on somewhere, like when someone
gives me the old like you just made.

Speaker 9 (13:56):
My finger my two fingers. Yeah, it is, it is.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
It's nice.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
It's so nice.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
It's funny in the car too, like when you're trying
to communicate with so many and they obviously they can't
hear you. Everybody's windows are up, but you're like, no, no, no,
man go go man go man No no you well
should I go?

Speaker 2 (14:13):
No?

Speaker 1 (14:13):
No go man go man?

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Audio is insane?

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Am I gonna go? You're gonna go? And then you
do this thank you?

Speaker 4 (14:19):
Yeah, yeah, international piece, I got you signed.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah, it's the whole wheel two finger. Yeah, wheel two fingers,
the wheel two finger. It's a real thing we do.
Humans are hysterical.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Okay, so where did you guys meet?

Speaker 1 (14:33):
And how?

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Oh my god, it's been four hours. Let's circle back.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Oh yeah, we were podcasting.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Well, Hannah Blaylock is the beginning and she actually was
the you know, the launcher of many ships, because not
only is she how I met you, but she's also
how I met my husband and a thousand other people,
Like she's the reason I moved to Nashville.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Hand yeah, wow, you guys were homies.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
No, we had a mutual like colleague who was like,
you're an artist, you're a songwriter. Neither of you know
what you're doing. Why don't you guys write songs together?
And I was like, oh cool. And this was after
I was in an embarrassing family band that I didn't
want to be in, and I was like, I need
to like get out of this, But what part of

(15:21):
the music industry do I want to be? And I
discovered I really liked the songwriting. So I pick up
the phone and I call said woman who I just
mentioned Fleming.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Who, by the way, Teo has the most beautiful voice
I think I've ever heard of.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Blay Lock is Israel really.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
So beautiful that so I did her glam When she
was in a band that.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
I forgot the name of, eh.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Like first they were there was another girl named Cheryl.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
And harl Green and Dean Berner goofy. Goofy said, up
a bitch who's married to Rachel Beauregard.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Now I don't know who that is.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
You will, we'll circle back, keep going, okay.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
So I would go with them to do everything. And
she sang one time a cover of an Alison Krause song,
God better.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Than those are fighting words.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
But I didn't know it was an Alison Crall song.
I thought it was hers, and I was crying and
I was like, like, what is that on your album?
I've never heard that song words just like you don't
know who Alison Crass. I didn't know who Alison Carls was. Anyway,

(16:34):
she brings me to tears. And also she's so funny.
And I recently talked to her and I'm like, you
cuss a lot. When did that happen? I was on
the I was on the phone. I don't know what
are you doing?

Speaker 2 (16:50):
What are you doing.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
With my glass and monoc We were dming, but anyway,
and I was like, oh my god, you cussed so much.
She's like, I don't really. I think it's just because
I'm talking to you. I'm like, oh, okay, I thought
just like motherhood.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Oh yeah, I brought it out. Yeah, she's my sister
in law now, so we get the you know, we
get the you know, unrestrained, you know.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Your sister inlaw now.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Okay, yeah, so this is why it's like, yeah, she's
a connective piece too much of my life. But I
moved to Nashville because this person we knew was like,
why don't you guys see if this works? It was
really like kind of it was weird. It was kind
of like a suggestion. Definitely, I came down to Nashville
and I heard them play Eaton's Edge and I was like, whoa,

(17:39):
You're amazing and this band you could not possibly have
as much drama as my creepy family band, So this
will be way easy. You know. It turns out all
bands have a lot going. It's bands are hard. Bands
are hard. But all that to say, we we wrote
for years. We all bartended, and you know, they were
nannying and O pairing and I'm bartending and we're just

(18:01):
writing songs on the side. And then lo and behold
they got signed by Big Machine. And you know, it's
a kind of funny story because I like, spent so
many years just writing for them. Literally I didn't have
any other contacts, and they cut seven songs and none
of them were fine.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Oh I like that.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
I was so heartbroken as I was like I put
all this yeah, oh my god. And of course I
had to be like don't I have this phrase called
don't crush the butterfly from my podcast. It's something I
talk about a lot. It's like artists relationships. You can't
like they they flipped and they do what they do

(18:45):
and you have to be like, am I, oh, I'm
not okay?

Speaker 4 (18:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh you were talking there you
were no, okay, still in cool.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
It's the same with makeup.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
I imagine.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
It's like you're literally like and it's totally fair, and
I feel like that's my job is to let them be.
And that was my first crash course in being like,
do not, do not bring this to their attention, and
I'll be honest, like I thought they would notice. But
because they were signing their first deals, you know, all

(19:19):
this stuff was happening. It's like that they weren't thinking
about that at all. And I was just like, okay, whoa,
I just put a lot of time in. I wonder
what that means. Fun jump ahead. They cut again, and
they cut four of my songs, wrapped the album and
I was like, there we go. Now it's making sense.
Now we're off cooking with grease. They broke up right after,

(19:43):
you know what I mean. Like, so it was like,
oh my god, Like I learned the roller coaster of
this job real fast, real quickly. And because of all
those cuts, I ended up getting a publishing deal. So
it all worked out. It was like that was what
it does.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
It always does, and if you don't see it, yes, till.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
Whenever you're in the storm and you're like, oh Jesus,
until the sun comes out, you're.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Like, oh, that's why.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
I get it. And we met when they were in
the thick of like just signing, I think, because that's
when glam really entered the picture.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, I remember doing like album covers.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
And did you do the one the album cover because
I can't remember the name of the album now? Was
it just Eden's Edge? Maybe it was?

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, I think there was two album covers. One was
I did like a smoky purple eye.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Okay, not that one, and.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Then there was one where it was I think actually
Lindsay did the makeup. It was a red lip and
it was an old Hollywood hair.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Hollywood hair. That one is the one I'm thinking of.

Speaker 9 (20:50):
Yes, yeah, it was like in a garage. I remember
my sister wasn't a center. Absolute fucking hotty. All of
them are so good looking. Hannah is terrifying to look
at in person.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
She's so pretty wild to this day, oh unreal like
cheek bones for days, eyes, everything.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
You know.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
She's the reason why I did a fun like collab shoot,
like a bridal shoot with her for this Bridal magazine oh,
I remember, and my girlfriend Jill and I creative directed
it and it was like so fun and Scott porschettaw
was like, whoever did this glam? Get them on board?
And that was my end with That's how I like

(21:30):
started working and decided to stay here because big Machine
like picked me up and I started working with all
these different artists and I was like, oh, maybe Nashville
is not a terrible I mean, it's a long story.
I didn't want to live here. It was like what
the fuck am I doing here? And there's no industry here?

Speaker 3 (21:44):
And then lol, and but she emerged and then.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
But Hannah Blaylock was like my first artist here that
I started working with.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
That's a cool story.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
And then I ended up like doing her wedding and
meeting Lindsay Doyle and then like just you and like
all kinds of other people.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
It's wild. The town is quite tiny. Here's my circle back,
Rachel Beauregard, I have a feeling you have met. Firstly,
she was in a duo signed by maybe the same
people Native Run, and then she ended up going on
tour with Maren Morris as a yoga instructor. Then she

(22:22):
was hired by this is so bizarre. She was hired
by Hosier to be a background singer. Then Maren was like,
I want you as a background singer. She pops back
on with Maren and then she sang background from Maren
for years and years and years. And she's married to
Dean Berner. I mean, it's just like what. The town
is tiny.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
The town is tiny. It truly is a little big
down I know what.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Let me just downward dog into me.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
I knew her from when I this is so weird,
but I knew her from when I was in my
creepy family band.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
I want to hear more about this is the third
time you mentioned them.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
On our way out.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
Yeah, no, we won't be doing that. Mom, dad, brother,
all those you just stop it. Brother and you have
it wow as mom, dad, sister, Bro, and me.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
So you were raised music, I was raised.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
I've done a couple of interviews about this before. My
childhood is extremely bizarre, and my parents we are a strange.
So I'm gonna walk very softly. My parents are huh.
They they walk around earth gypsy kind of people. They're like, what,

(23:47):
let's find out where the where is the spirit leading
us at all times? So when they started having children,
somehow that didn't stop that behavior. So every choice my
parents made when I was little was kind of like
where are the where should we? And so that's why
I moved around so much when I was a little kid. Yes,
what are they saying now? I want to say it

(24:09):
sounds really cute and everything. They were also really abusive,
So there was a lot going on there. Not my favorites,
why we're why we're estranged. Bless them in their journey,
but they're they're not in my life.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
I'm sorry you had to go through that.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
I appreciate it heavy and not deserving, an awful for
any child to ever experience any kind of abuse or
suffering or pain.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
So, yes, you're not parenting anyway like that.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
So we talked about this, you know, we started rolling, Yeah,
just the whole like, don't do that, maybe try something different.
And I have you know, eleven year old kids that
are remarkable and they were never hit, not once in
their life. And it's so hysterical thinking about it, like
I I know, it makes me emotional and also makes

(24:56):
me so grateful. There's this one moment with my daughter
one time, who is the best like a fierce, just everything.
She's just so incredible. Milly rules. She's all of my
friends like mascot. She's like our fate, like she we
all want to be her when we grow up. She's
the best kid. And I remember when she was like
six or something, I had my hand out or something,

(25:18):
and she walked by my hand kind of fast, and
she looked at me. She was like hey, and I
was like, that's right, Mama's not supposed to do you
know what I mean? Like she felt hit by me.
Not that yeah, but she felt it. And she immediately
was like, what the hell was that, you know? And
I was like, exactly, yeah, that's exactly right. You're not

(25:40):
that is not right stuff. Anyway, me and my sister,
I've been through a lot and we are so lucky
to have gotten out of it. I feel like a
bubble of love and protection around each of us, and
I'm really grateful. My brother I don't I don't talk
to him either, because it's sort of the same.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
It's the same because you either have, like when you
come from like really heavy circumstances like that, you either
take that road or you take this road. And usually
the people that like have that heaviness that on the
spectrum of abuse or whatever they've gone through usually wind
up the most loving, most wonderful people parents that because
they are like, I know, I've met darkness. I've seen
and I've been through it, and there's no way in

(26:18):
hell that I will ever be that person. I'm not
going to raise my children like that more. You go
down that road and you're just the victim of your art.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
And I see, that's exactly what it is. It's like
me and my sister just decided this is not how
this is gonna go. And I'm so grateful, and it's
an ironic gratitude because we were raised by extremely feisty
people and they they put feist in both of us,
and we, you know, used it to get away. And

(26:46):
it's it's wild, yeah, you know what I mean. Like
I'm actually grateful, Like I don't regret a bit of
my journey. My story is unreal, Like I can't believe
that I'm here to tell it, Like there's so many
times I should just not have made it, Like through
the choices that were made were really irresponsible a lot,
and so I'm like, oh my god, not only did

(27:07):
I get through that, but like, thank you for that
weird brand of bravery.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
Yeah, that's the definition definition of resilience. People use it
and they go, I'm strong and I'm resilient.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
I can get back up.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
No, actually, it's the lessons that you learn that you
can look back and go, I'm grateful for that.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
I thank you for teaching me. So yeahful for the lessons.
Creepy family band, how did that happen?

Speaker 4 (27:36):
So all throughout the actual band, I wish.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
It and then it's it was Cecilia for a while,
and then it was like the Veltz family. It was
a It was a lot. So my dad is sort
of allergic to progress, so he loves the beginning of
an idea. Just can't land plan, that's like his That
was life when we were kids, So we were homeless

(28:03):
a lot. There was a lot of like financial upturn
and down on the stable. Yeah, just so unstable, bankruptcy,
Oh my god, what we have to sell everything? And
they always made it kind of a joke so that
we were all laughing the whole time. That was a
big part of my childhood was like, oh, hysterical, let's
sell more like it was all a joke. But when
I was ooh, this week's Little New York. In little

(28:25):
When I was living in Ithaca, New York, my French
teacher did a trip to New York to see Lames.
Lame is a lab.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Did you go to a college that was this?

Speaker 3 (28:41):
This was when I was like fourteen years old. I
was Ethica High School.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
Oh yeah, okay, okay, okay, okay. Oh so you I'm
sorry you went to high school in for.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
The twelve minutes that we lived there, which was brief
because my parents were like, I feel the tea leaves
where we were, so I can't even imagine. It was insane.
But I lived there for two years and French class
went to Lames. I fell in love with New York City.
In love. My heart was literally like, this is where

(29:11):
I belong. This is where all the weirders are. This
is why I never fit in. This is why because
this is where everyone weird is, and I know I'm weird.
I had a lot of feelings. So as soon as
I got back, this is so silly, but I it
was the Imperial Theater. As I recall, We'll have to
double check if I'm right ry to go back nineteen
ninety four period, I bounced the wall.

Speaker 7 (29:31):
I was like, oh, I.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Was so dramatic, but I was like I'll be back,
you know, like I wanted New York to be my boyfriend.
Like I was like, please be my boyfriend. I love you.
Left and immediately was like I want to be in
theater because that's where that is. And I got real focused,
real direct about what I was going to do with
my life. I found a local theater. I was like,

(29:57):
I will do anything on.

Speaker 7 (29:58):
My ow pretending it's bad in my bedroom, every day life.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yeah for real.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
That was thank you.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
Was like yeah, nice work, thank you, good job, Thank
you slash. That was me every moment of my life.
I went to a local theater. I was like, I
want to volunteer. I want to do anything. I was
auditioning for plays. I made of my own resume, like
my parents had so little to do with this. Like
this was me going Okay, I'm gonna do it. Like
I was like, I gotta get like somewhere in my
little subconscious, I got to make something on my own.

(30:31):
And I'm very I'm very driven and organized, which was
or quarious that it comes with a lot. They're Aquarius
because I feel like I can pretend to be chill,
but I'm not.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
I'm like very organized, like type is driving me crazy.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Can we fix this?

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Okay, yeah, I know, I know. But when I when
something needs to get done, I'm your girl, your structure, structure, structure.
And my parents used to kind of make fun of
me about that when I as a kid, and it
was like a family joke like that, I like.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Make your room mess here organized child?

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Oh I literally like I was like they would pick
little things about my personality that they would be like,
you're just not you know, you're not going with the flow,
and I'm like, no, you created chaos. Therefore I'm trying
to clean up your chaos and then you're making fun
of me for it. So it's a lot of that
when I was a kid, but it benefited me when
I was like I'm focused, I'm gonna you know, so
I was going to go do that. I I auditioned.

(31:28):
I like, I got into this because there's no way
I'm going to a real college. Mama was not a
grades girl.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Like no.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Failed.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, I'm terrified to take my personal license.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah, like I'm a I'm a community college drop out.
So yes, you have to. I'll be fine, It'll be fine.

Speaker 8 (31:47):
Now, I think I think most creatives are just we're
just sloopy. We're sloopy, sloopy, yeah, or fruit sloopy and yeah,
all over the place. And I auditioned. I got into
this college called AMDA, the American Musical and Dramatics Academy.

(32:08):
It was probably like a basement in New York City,
Like I don't.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Know what the fuck it was, but I didn't care
how you were in it. And my parents were like,
we're gonna send you. And I was like, oh my god,
I'm my dream. And then there was another bankruptcy, which
weirdly I think happened twice in my life. I didn't
even know if that was legal, but they they went
bankrupt again, and my dad said, you know, we'll send

(32:32):
you next semester. And I was like, okay, I'll just
work at Starbucks and save all this money. And I
was like do it. I was really like, I had
no friends. I had all the time in the world
to be like, you're gonna build your dream, you know,
And then it just fell apart. And my dad was
just like, we all know how to do music. We
should start a band, and I was like, oh God, Derek,

(32:56):
my dream goes. But okay, because my whole function as
a child was like serve the family, Like my dad's
dreams were a very big priority in our household. Anyway, band,
So we played at this little Italian restaurant in Virginia,
Rachel Beauregard. There's the connective.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Piece, got it?

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Uh? And we were signed within a couple of months
by Craig Collmon Atlantic Record. Like absolutely, what it's.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Weird, but I know your family band was.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
It was like this thing. No, dear God, no, but
we we did have every opportunity to be one. We
were given every opportunity to be one. We were signed
out of New York. Everyone loved us. We were actually
quite good. It's just that it was chaos, Like everything

(33:48):
was chaos. But and my dad didn't want to like
play that. You know this because you're in this business
and I'm sure every time anyone's sitting in your chair
they're about labels. But this is a part of being
an artist. You have to compromise with a label. And
my dad again totally a little bit, just a little.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
I don't want to pay taxes, but I do it.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Yes, exactly. You have to kind of play by a
little bit of the rule. Especially in the late nineties
early two thousands, there was one way to do it.
No TikTok, I'll just throw it up online like there
was none of that. You had to do it one way.
And like I said, my dad loves an idea, does
not know how to land a plane. It's just a thing.
It's just a thing.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
I have a feeling in your dad had something to
do with the demise.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Of Oh yes, oh definitely, And thank god again.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
I'm like the demise of the family. It didn't last
give me him a blow, but a.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Little bit.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Well yeah, but also you know, there.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Is a little bit of that. However, I am so
grateful because it was my dream. I didn't want to
be in this fucking band with my parents, Jesus, I
thank god. But however, I was still drinking the kool
aid and trying to like make everything work, terrified that
my parents were going to be homeless again. Like I
did everything to try to keep the wheels on, you know.

(35:10):
And yeah, no, my dad just wouldn't He wouldn't co write.
He wanted, you know, the label, wanted the girls to
step forward. Because we were twenty year old gotten girls
like duh, Like they're pretty and they're cute in there,
and he was just like, this is a family band.
It needs to be the five of us. It has
to be and he wanted that, like and so every
desire for a compromise the label maid it was met

(35:33):
with a stop bag.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Yeah, And in a way, thank you, dad, because if
that had happened, you'd be looking back at like the
Michelle branch of you know, like I don't want I
didn't want that. That wasn't a dream of mine. So
I'm very happy it fell apart. But I became like
the upkeeper of everything family band for ten years when
we got dropped. And then it was like okay, we're

(35:56):
playing on the street and we were busking to for rent. Wow,
we went on tour. We would go on tour so
far that we didn't have money to get back.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
It was so scary for a decade. Yeah, yeah, it
was so scary. And my like my little anxiety ball
machine in here was a pumpin' like constantly anxiety, like
my everything, like my throat I still have like throat
chakra stuff where if I'm nervous. It will just yeah,
because you're nervous.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
When you're not aligned, your nervous system starts shutting down
and how it manifests it nos, So you're spending all
this time which is oh, that's yeah, until you're until
you're free of that, and you're like, oh.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
My, And I had no idea that that what you
just described. I had no idea existed until twenty eight
when I moved to Nashville. I had no idea that
you could just live.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
Live and do what you want to do that makes
I do something that made you happy for you, not
because you're trying to please your family or your dad
or too.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Man, that's a long time to feel that.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
It's a lot.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
So you were how what was that timeline for you?

Speaker 3 (37:02):
Then ten years in the band twenty eight I moved
to Nashville.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Oh yeah, you're a child.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
I was still and I still was in my brain
like I skipped my twenties. Yeah, you can get to
have like my freak flaggy time. Yeah, you know, and
I moved. I do. Yeah, Mama's there, Mommy doesn't good,
mummy's mummy's cut up. But no, But for a while,
it was definitely like just it was a job, Like
my family was a job, you know, getting everybody to

(37:30):
stop fighting was a job. It was just a nightmare.
But I moved here start of my life realized I
could have fun, which was a huge thing. Skip a
touch ahead. I think it's my superpower as a songwriter
because I don't worry about a lot like I'll have
like a little like ah dang, my shong didn't get cut,

(37:54):
Like I'll get upset about stuff. It's like a twenty
second thing. I'm like through, hell, yeah, I can Okay,
don't get literally just it's rejection. It comes with the job.
And so I feel like my superpower is just like
having the most fun. I have more fun than anyone.
I know.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
What a beautiful superpower test. No, that's because you're so
grateful because you've experienced me so much pain and heartache
and hurt and scariness and all that in your life
that you're when you're on the other side of it,
of course you're like, what.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Do I have to fucking literally yeah, I mean it's
it's like it's every trope on earth. It's like when
a when a person who lives in a different country
comes to America, and they experience just having clean water
and we're going like it tastes like shot, but at
least it's drinkable. Like those things really set a tone.
And I always say, like a rubber band, I love

(38:49):
rubber bands. That's a long story, but I do. I
think rubber bands are the coolest little invention, and I
think of how they can be used in so many situations. Yeah,
I digress. You pull a uber band this way far enough,
it's gonna go further that way. And I just feel
like that's human. That's such a human thing you pull,
Like if you fuck with someone right before they snap

(39:12):
and you let go. Who Yeah, yeah, I think that's me.
I just feel like that's me. I got pushed to
my absolute edge and now my life is a fucking
dream and all my hobbies self care. Yeah, Like all
I want to do is just love me more.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
But also in another sense too, like you have been
as a human being stretched, stretched in every aspect of
like all the incredible complex feelings that human beings do.
You have been stretched your whole life totally. So now
you're just like this, what just nice little happy rubber band?

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Who can just that's so sweet?

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Yeah, yeah, that's my story in essence, and then my
podcast is literally just an extension of that. I want
to help kids worry less because I think the only
thing that ever gets in a person's way is worry. Well,
there's lots of things to get in the way, but
like worry is a really like capsizing thing for a
creative and so this podcast was born literally just out

(40:12):
of that, like let's talk, let's tell them what's coming.
So it's not like a, oh, yeah, you didn't know
you were going to be dealing with like crippling fomo.
Sure you didn't know, you know, Like that's how that's
how it typically goes. You just like walk into it
and you're like, fuck, I'm so I'm a piece of shit.
Everyone's so much better than me. And it's like no,
we're all thinking.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
That, yeah, no one is. Yeah, none of us are
not one person.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
No, no one knows what they're doing. And all the
time we're like nobody knows, nobody knows.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Nos, Yeah, I know. Yeah that's why.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
Like I'm kinda at the point now where you know,
you have you do something and you're like, oh, with
that imposter syndrome, I don't belong here.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
I'm not good enough, and you're like.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
Yeah, but if you're true to who you are, if
you can walk in a room and just know exactly
who you are and speak your truth, then you're not
Then you're not a fraud, Then you're not an imposter.
Then you're just you. So whatever you're doing, you're authentic,
so it doesn't feel like you're doing it being anything
less than who you are. Yeah, but it takes a
lot of work to get there and understand and do
you know, and we all sure, we all have moments

(41:10):
of feeling that.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
But it's like driving. I mean, you have a clear
wine field, and it's like if you've got a bunch
of anxiety, it's like putting a bunch of bird crap
on your windshield and it's like I can't see, Like, duh,
you can't see. It's in your You're obstructing your own
view in a way anyway.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
Yeah, but it's a beautiful thing about getting older. Like
I just turned four five and I'm like me too.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Oh my god, wait, nineteen eighty Yeah, yeah me too.
Wait my older or younger by how many months? I'm
about third, I'm older, bitch, that very eighteen. Yeah, but that's.

Speaker 5 (41:46):
An e I like telling you, yeah, me kill me
man a few months.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
Really, you what a gift, what a privilege to be
able to just navigate life with different lenses the older
we got, yes, Oh.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
My god, yeah, I getting older is the best. Now.
I will tell you have a therapist if you're a
woman doing it, because getting older is a crime in
America in one light, but in the real way. Oh
my god, God blessed, are you kidding me? The best,

(42:33):
the best?

Speaker 1 (42:33):
It's yeah, it's a privilege. And also just the wisdom
and the I feel like I'm reversing a lot of
the bad and progressing and a lot of the good,
which I think you just kind of sad. But it's
just it's like the worry of one thing. I mean,
for me, the worry of parent parenting is there, but

(42:57):
which also transforms you. But yeah, the work worry and
the fomo and all that that you were just talking
about is definitely has dissipated so much.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Isn't it nice?

Speaker 4 (43:06):
Well, it gets easier to navigate because you know it's
not going to be like that forever. It's like you
being great at makeup or you being an amazing songwriter.
We have the experience, we have the great So when
we're in that darkness, which of course we're gonna meet
because it's life and we're humans and we're all going
to be sad and go to those places, we know
that it's temporary. We know that there will be another

(43:28):
side to do it, we know how to navigate it.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
We know that it's not going to bring us down.
We're not victims.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
It's not gonna and we're gonna rise a little bit
better and a little bit stronger every fucking time.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Everything so true. I operate a lot under the knowledge
that I could die tomorrow, which I am really enjoying,
like it's it's my religion, no same, I mean, And
in Buddhism, I'm sure you know yes, because if you
actually are, yes, we're singing right now.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Buddhist monks like actively contemplate their own deaths every morning
so that they can live a day. WHOA free And
I do it. I wake up and I'm like, this
could be it? What do you want to do? And
it is a It is such a beautiful practice because
A it's fucking true.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
I mean, oh, we can walk outside and a comic
can hit us.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Literally, you know, if you want to get a little
a comment, that's the one for us. It could be
a comment comment comment.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Did you hear may?

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Yeah, she was the only women in that red place
and yeah, that's right, literally the comment Thursday comment. No,
it definitely is something you know, it's a good practice.
And then if you want to get weird about it.
And this is very morbid for some and you're a
new mom, so maybe cover your ears. But I even

(44:50):
contemplate cover your ears.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
No, I'm going to listen.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
It's a little I do it because it's it's true.
I do it because it's true that everyone dies and
you don't know when that could happen. And when you're
a mother, the worst thing that could happen could happen.
And when I think about it, and I'm like, well,
then what do I want to do today with my

(45:17):
daughter if tomorrow?

Speaker 9 (45:21):
You know.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
And I don't like saying it, I don't like thinking it,
but there's something in me that just it's it.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
It like clears present. It allows you to it's the
gift of being truly present.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yes, because that's because it's true. Those those are facts.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
I'm not saying anything crazy and ludicrous we're all going
to die. Yes, our children are eventually going you know.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Yes, I don't know when. Another thing about like if
you're in love, Like I'm in love. I'm in love
with my partner. I love.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
I'm so happy.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
I wish it for you know, I wish all the
love it's got.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Yeah, Like everyone deserves that feeling. I want everyone to
have that feeling. But like my husband, I it was
yesterday we celebrated our twelve year anniversary. Congratulations, and my
kids are eleven. Do the math anyway, Well, you're still
in love. We're still in love, and we talk about
it all the time. It's like people lose their loved
ones and they say, wow, you know, I only had

(46:23):
three years with that person, or I only had like
I've had twelve, yeah years with the love of my life.
And I know that's like again it's a little morbid.
But I'm like, if that was it, that's a long time,
Like if God forbid something happens to him, twelve years
is like a whole life. We've had, like the whole life,

(46:45):
you know. Anyway, I just really like operating like that.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
So it's beautiful. It's beautiful because I see you. I
see you.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
I have conversations with myself all the time. The other day,
I was on a walk. This was like two days ago,
and I literally thought about this. I said, if I
died tomorrow, I'm not and I'm going I'm getting way
less scared of dying. I'm getting accepting of it, like
because I know it's going to happen, so I'm not
afraid of it anymore.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Really.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
Yeah, of course there's more I want to do with
my life and more things that I want to say
to people.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
But I am so happy with.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
Who I am and where I'm at, and that I'm
this person that is this light and has so much
love that people know this about me, that if I
died tomorrow, this is.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
This would be my tribute, like I this is it.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Yeah, and I did.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
I've done everything. I tell people I love them. I'm there,
my fa you know, like your friends.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
I don't have any guilt or yeah, exactly, m I
always think of and because we're both forty five, people
get there.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
No, most people don't.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
How old are you?

Speaker 1 (47:43):
I'd say ninety something percent.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
I'm forty one, forty one, Okay to I play this game.
It's terrible, but I do this thing where I double
it and I go, I'm half of ninety, you're half
of ninety. Like I'm in the middle. If I live
to be ninety, I'm only halfway done. The fuck the fuck?

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
That so exciting.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
That's so exciting.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
That's so exciting.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
That's so exciting.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
And all I want to do is be healthy enough
to like not be like that's why we do this shit.
Look at these motherfucking guns so we.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Can just get up out of a chair when we're eighty.
That's why I do this.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
What I want, that's what I want.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
I want to be that eighty year old woman who
still like I know those videos of like people who are.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Like, we'll be doing that together. Let's do it.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
Yes, Yeah, let's talk more music stuff, Okay, I want to.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Yeah, I feel like I obviously I know you're a songwriter.
We know you're a songwriter. But I was googling you
and I was like, oh, she's done so much. I'm
just like in my own bubble, yes, as we all are,
as we all are, And what a roster of things
you've done. Oh, thank you, bones, bones, bones, little song,

(48:55):
little tiny bone. It's okay, she's never looked better.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Legend. Legend.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Yeah, she's what a little little tiny person person tiny personally.
Back when did you meet Maren?

Speaker 3 (49:08):
Oh my god, I saw her at a round. No,
that would have been crazy. I love how you liked that.
You're like, let's just glue everything together. No, her ex
husband Ryan Hurt was telling me how incredible she was.
This was back before they were together. This is just
when we were all songwriter. It's a million years ago,
and he did this round at Fuck, I'm not gonna

(49:30):
remember Bellecourt Oh, Bellcourt taps.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Wow, right in there. Nice word.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
So the memory comes back, it does.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Sort of ishsh No.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
Actually, yeah, there's moments where you just shin right there.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
It just works.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
I think I read something that says it takes like
three years for you to like fully, hormonally, spiritually, mentally,
physically all come back from having a baby.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
It is a minute.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
I remember perfect. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
I don't remember. I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
I know if you don't remember again, Yeah, No, I
met her at Bellcourt taps and she, as you mentioned,
so tiny. So I was holding a what looked to
be a double sized guitar just because she was so small.
I was like, oh my god, you are Denuini and
she's saying and I was like, dear, dear god, her

(50:22):
voice is so good. And we had a session I
think a couple of days later, and we wrote the
very first song on her very first record, the first
time we wrote. So I got to start her like
journey as a whoa I know, and every album I've
had at least four and on this last one it's
like like we're still driving.

Speaker 5 (50:44):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
I just love writing with her. I love the loyalty
there honestly as an artist. It's funny though I've literally
and I've said this before, like I say it all
the time. I'm like, at what point will Maren fly
away from my palm?

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Maybe never?

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Maybe never, But I'm always prepared. I'm always like this
gotta be my bye. I love you, go go do
go be. Yeah. If you want to evolve and I'm
not in that picture for you, goga you know.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Yeah. But like luckily we just still jove. We write
so well together, like easy, it's always.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
So fun and easy and yeah great, yeah that's wonderful. Yeah,
I was, I was looking at it was Miranda Miranda stuff.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Yeah, it's funny it's fun. Oh god, she's fun. I know,
I've met her at parties. We actually didn't write the
song in the same room, so I didn't get to
like experience her writing life, which I'm jealous of the
people who like I wrote a start with Luke Dick
and Natalie Hemby and they were like, Miranda would love this,
and they took it in with her.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
So I've never.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Liked a literal hero. Yeah, want want to be her.
She's an amazing person. Yeah, so I didn't get to
write with her with her, but we did get a
cut and it's kind of a nice feeling to be
like I didn't even have to.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Yeah, for the room, I picked it up.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
I would love to write with her like in the room,
because I've heard she is just a nut, so much
fun all the place.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
You will just put it other yeah, other done. But
you won a lot of awards from that too, right
as well.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Yeah, it's been a weird yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
And then a songwriter a Songwriter of the Year award
that was a big one.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
That was lots of cash.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
That's kind of flex relaxed.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
Did you get up on stage and have a beach and.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
We a lot of my Laurels were uh granted in
the pandemic, so I didn't get to do a whole
lot of like, hi, that's me doing the thing. It
was a lot of like like the pre shows, Yeah
we'll text you. You know you want to do it now.
Awards in the Mail.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Songwriter the Year goes to Laura Belts for every song
She's ever.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
A phone. Oh good, you're bringing me back to my
nineties child.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Oh I know, I think cute.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
That's amazing.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
Yeah, I know, and it probably would work if we
plugged it in.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
But we need to get home phones. I've heard that
that's the new trend.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Now they're coming back to So what are blogs?

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Let's books do they never?

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Did they go away for a little bit.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
I think they did?

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Yeah yeah, okay, blogs, blogs, blogs, home phones? What are
we doing with home phones? What are we doing with
home phones?

Speaker 3 (53:30):
People say it is wonderful kids for your kids. Oh
that's cute, give them a cell phone.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
I'm down with that.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
I think it's a good idea. H spelling down for
the home phone.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Home phone.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
I actually is pop music harder to write than country?
Or like, what's your favorite genre? Do you just like
a song as a song as a song.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
As a song, I feel very lucky that I've been
I'm like in every genre now, like I feel like
a bounce.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
I just like storytelling so much. And I really like
when someone wants to say something kind of unhinged and
I feel like and in pop music they do that,
So I won't. I won't tell you like it's more
fun because to be honest with you, I fucking love writing.
I don't care what I'm doing. I just love it.
Like country is like there's it's like bumper bowling. I

(54:24):
say this all the time, but it's like the bumpers
are covered. If you just throw the ball and you
follow a couple of these rules, you're gonna hit a pin.
Like that's what country music feels like to me. Yeah,
pop is like, let's throw the ball out of the
bowling alley. What happens then?

Speaker 1 (54:41):
You know?

Speaker 3 (54:41):
And so I feel like I can. I like the
playtime of that. I to answer your question, I feel
like it's really hard to code switch, but I'm finding
luck doing it. Like if you've crazy, you know what
I mean, Like, if you know one thing, it's hard
to be like, wait, you're starting with a melody that's scary.
We in Nashville tip you start with an idea and

(55:02):
then you build around the idea. So that's normally how
it works here. Then you go to you know, La
and it's they're just in a studio like beboppin' yeah,
and you're like, what could that be? What could that be?
And so yeah, it's like two different methods.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Well it's I mean, it's impressive that you can like
have songs or write songs with like Eli Young band
and then also Demi Lovato. I mean that's like, that's wild.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
I'm sorry I didn't see that on here. She's one
of my very favorite people.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
What songs have you?

Speaker 3 (55:32):
We wrote a whole record together. It was like her
rage record when she needed to.

Speaker 6 (55:37):
Never has never looked better my hot yeah literally, I
literally she's always been hot, but there there is a
joy beaming from her and I we've become really other
side the rubber band.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
Rubber band off, she goes, yeah, No, She's such an
incredible human, A close friend of mine. She was at
a very deep low. I met her and I just
loved her. I loved her and we wrote every angry
thing that was like and like every song was like
a little more angry, a little more angry, and then

(56:12):
it got a little less angry, a little less angry,
little less angry, and all of a sudden we were
writing something like pretty joyful, and it was like, it
is done. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, it's
called holy fuck.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
It's a great name.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Actually now I'm I'm remembering it because they spell it different.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Yes, there's a v U and that's one of the
names of the songs it was. It was to me,
it was about being there for a human being and
just always being there and we have become such beautiful.
I went to her wedding, which was unbelievable. It was
dry and no devices, most fun I've ever had explain it.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Who know, wait, everyone leave her cell phone at the door.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
And alcohol and everyone was dancing talking no I mean
drug like I'm talking like clean as a whistle, and
literally everyone was dancing and there were people talking and
looking you're you know, and you're like, oh yeah, like
you're not really engaged. Like it was so much engagement

(57:15):
and I got to know people that I had. It
was amazing that so I watched a woman go from
like half dead to so fully alive, you know, and
I I still we still have work coming out. I
did a song for her documentary about her child like
Her Child Star Life, and that was amazing. Came out

(57:37):
this last year. It's an incredible documentary. Watch. We wrote
this song called You'll Be Okay, Kid, and it's her
talking to her younger self and being like, I know
how this ends. It's gonna be And so that was
really amazing. And so I you know, the work I've
been able to do. You know, you can quantify it
however you please, But for me, it's like that's a connection.

(58:00):
And I know, like that record you know, It's not Sorry,
Not Sorry, which is literally like one of the greatest
pop songs of all time, it served a purpose to
get her to her next Sorry Not Sorry. In my opinion,
I think she needed to go through all of that
to see what came next. And I cannot believe I
got to be a part of that, like really cool.

(58:22):
It was brilliant, incredible.

Speaker 4 (58:24):
Thing incredible and how many other people's lives have been
touched from that song in that album And that's the point.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
That's the point, that's art.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
There's one on there that I wonder if you know,
did you hear that song twenty nine that was on
Ye Ticks. That's the one that was like it, that
was like the starship of the song.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
You know, none of us even you're talking about when
she was young and she dated somebody. Correct, Okay, why
did none of us put that together?

Speaker 2 (58:51):
I'm missing something.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
So the song is about the fact that she turned
twenty nine when we wrote the song, and she was
remembered that she dated a twenty nine year old man
when she was seventeen. Oh, and just realizing the distance
in those years, like realizing it's.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Like Shutner, William Shenner.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
It was William Shatner, unbelievably, unbelievable, unbelievably William Shadnon.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
When when we say twenty nine, we meant.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
Ninety two, ninety that's incredible. But that song had such
an effect because the people on TikTok were like going,
oh my god, I was fifteen, he was thirty.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Yeah, Oh my god, I was.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Seventeen, he was fifty. Yeah, what the fuck? And like
I have mine too, Like I dated when I was twenty,
I dated a forty two year old man. He was
like the head of our creepy label.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
How old.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Were you twenty nineteen or twenty years old?

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (59:45):
Like what the fuck? And like no one was like, hey,
there are entire lifetimes between you, like chill out. Yeah,
Like you're not gonna this is until you're sixty. Yeah,
just and then and then date up.

Speaker 5 (59:58):
You know, h.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
Nuts do you? But just being a child and not
realizing and all of the trophy things were told as
little people where it's like you're so mature for your
age and you know, wow, you don't act like the
other girl, like those little things that feel like compliments.
And so we talked about that so directly, and it
was like a risk, you know, obviously for her, and

(01:00:22):
I was so proud of her to say it. And
I don't know, like again, I got to be a
part of like a cultural movement because of that song.
And it's like quantify that. That's a huge part of
my job and I love that. That's our job. It like, yes,
you want the you know, you want hits and everyone

(01:00:44):
you know should get paid properly if if songs are
heard at all, and that's a whole story of its own.

Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
But you're a healer, well, I want I mean, that's
that's a storyteller and when storytelling comes healing, so and
for you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Too, Yes, you get to because we got to do it.
It's like a symbionic is that the word?

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Yes, And you're helping her use her voice with your
voice to speak.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
And I cannot tell you how many times I and
she knows it's probably annoying, because I send her a
message probably once every month and a half and I'm
just like, you're doing so well, so happy for you,
Like I'm just so excited that she's so happy. Yeah,
And I'm like like, I don't know, Yeah, it thrills me.

Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
Yeah, because it's somebody that you love and you want you're.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
You're champion them and you want them to win in.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
All aspects, all aspects.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
So when you see somebody and.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Then when the snatching started, I'm like, oh, woman, take
it down. The people can't handle hot, so hot, And
oh her wedding gorgeous, beautiful. What did she marry? This
wonderful boy, huge hot, huge hot. His name is Juts.
I was Juts Juice. He's an artist. Jordan Lutz is

(01:01:58):
his name. I was there the day they met because
we were on a writing session and I got to
be like something's happening to the Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
I love when you feel the vibration.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
It's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Feel the vibration.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Come on, come on, come on, no.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Feel it, feel it, feel it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
It's such a good come on, come on, come on.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
It's such a se sensation.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Bring it, bring it back. Normally, at the end of
every episode we do something called rapid fires. Are you familiar?

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Now I am because I've seen your podcast and now
I'm scared because I was like, oh, this is happening.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Are you going to ask you a series of questions? Okay, yes,
Laura Velt's rapid Fire. Here we go. Favorite night time.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Product, my zip.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
What is that?

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
It's like a it's like a microcurrent, it's like a
it's like a facial. It's like a facial I can
give myself.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Okay, great, Oh it's called us a link z.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Z I I p okay, fucking great. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Favorite daytime product.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Probably that Monastery Monastery that that serum hones Sarry, do
you know that brand? No, I can't sell you. This
brandy smells like a dream and it's like I just
wear it all day and I'm a grease fest all day.
I don't care moisturizing me. Yeah, exactly, I want to
moisturize myself. Yes, you can deal with my grease.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Yes, one hundred percent. Least favorite glam trend.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
Ooh oh, this is risky bizness. Can I twist the answer?
I really like when a person is an individual.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Person I'm familiar.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Yes, I like when people look like individuals.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Okay, not copy not listen?

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
Do you want you gotta edit? You want to do
a little couple of edits? Do your edits inspiration? Like
yourself ed did? Not look like you've ceased to be
your own face. I really love individuality and beauty for me,
I don't care what you are who you are. Individuality

(01:04:04):
it just like turns my ass. Song?

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Yes it?

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
What's your favorite song lyric not written from not written
from you?

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
Okay, okay, that's fun. I just interviewed Shane mcnellly on
my podcast Queen literally the Greatest, Yeah, the Goat, literally
the greatest, and I we had this really weird zing
moment where I told him what my favorite lyric was
of his and he was like, I have chills. That's
my favorite lyric of my own. And I will say
it right now because I bring it up all the

(01:04:34):
time because it's like this perfect part in this song.
So he wrote the song called Somewhere with You by
Kenny Chesney, and there's this part in the song where
he says, I hate my life, hold on to me,
and it comes in kind of out of nowhere. It's
like we're doing this some back somewhere and then it's like,
I hate my life, hold on to me. And it's
this weird like left turn in the lyric where you're like,

(01:04:56):
who's talking? What just happened? And it's so vulnerable, And
it's that thing you say when you're like in love,
you're too drunk, and you regret saying it the next day.
Do you know those phrases you're like, why did I
tell him?

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Why did I say that?

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
So vulnerable. Yeah, that's probably my favorite right now anyway,
because I just just talking about it yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Okay, and now, what is your favorite song lyric you've
ever written?

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
Oh? Shit, categorically, do we go controversial or do we go?

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
We go controversial?

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
For fun? I write a lot with Miss Jesse Murph and.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Fuck, I wanted to dive into that. You're gonna have
to come back.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
I'm happy too. I love this woman. She's such a
fucking queen. Yeah, and she's just willing to go to
the place and say things that are I don't know,
a little rough around the edges. And there's a whole
song called nineteen sixty five that I'm really proud of. Okay,
I love that you did that full satire. The whole

(01:05:52):
point is being it's satirical, but it's also like social
commentary on where we are as women. And I really
like the satirical chorus that says, I want you to
love me like it's nineteen sixty five. I think I'd
give up a few rights if you would just love
me like it's nineteen sixty five. Because that's awkward, makes

(01:06:14):
people uncomfortable. What how dare you? Why would you want
to give your rights away? That's definition of satire, friends, right, Yeah.
The point is women are trying to get love and
what are they willing to give up to have that
sort of romance? What are they willing to give up
to have that like gentlemanliness?

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
To get me back to nineteen sixty five?

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
Then yeah, and then but there's some there's some risk
there because yeah, there's a give and a take, and
so that's why it's sad. It's social commentary. That's the point, right.
So I do love that song. And there's some other
insane lyrics and that song that I just think are
hysterical song. Yeah, it's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
The whole Is there an album out on that called
the Whole?

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Her whole vibe? Is I really really really like her?

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Yeah, one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
Songs are awesome. Yes, And now that I know that
you are a part of it makes sense.

Speaker 5 (01:07:05):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
It's really fun. And she's definitely towing the line. She
doesn't give a shit about genre. I whish I love
She's willing to again throw the bowling ball out of
the you know, like I like that shit.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Go spaghetti Animal.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
Tell me I need stories, and she's always got something
really fun to write about. And I'm here to be
the conduit telling you I love that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Okay, I could ask you a million questions. Okay, these
these mean something to us, So I'll ask you these
two questions. What's the best advice you've ever been given?

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
Wow? Yeah, Oh, I was told by a writer. This
was after I had a hit, and I did. I
have a very very complex relationship with money because of
my childhood and I was still really nickel and diming everything.
And I had had was like a four week number

(01:07:57):
one on pop, like on Hot A Sea and Country,
and like it was this. It was speechless. It was
like going wild. And this writer was just like, at
what point are you going to like celebrate and spend
some fucking money on yourself? Like at what point? How
much is it going to take before you like enjoy

(01:08:18):
your laurels? Here? And it it did. It had an effect.
I was like, oh maybe I will buy a zip
I don't know, you know what I mean? Like I decided,
it made it started a series of decisions that make
me feel a little bit more like I'm celebrating myself.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Yeah, so important, you could die about.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
So important precisely, Yes, spend the money.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Yeah. And last thing, what are you grateful for?

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
Oh mmmmm? I am grateful for my mind for somehow
spinning a very complex life into heaven. Like I just
love the way it happened. And it's not just my mind,
it's whatever bubble has been around me my whole life,

(01:09:02):
just protecting me from so much tumult. And I am
to molt, but I yeah, I'm just really I'm really
grateful for those that whatever led me to this, because
to pick one of the things that are my life
right now would be kind of a disservice to whatever
the other things are. But I could go on and
on and on my children, my family, my career, like

(01:09:25):
my relationships, my friendships, my community. It's afferent there. But
I'm just really grateful that somehow, whatever is in here
like made me choose over and over again, closer, closer, closer,
you know what i mean. Yeah, like I've just been
I'm a really good chooser, do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm grateful for that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
Proud, yeah, very proud.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Yeah, thank you so much for you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
What are you grateful for today today?

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Yeah, it's all yeah, so many, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
Could I oh man, I feel like every day I've
been grateful waking up, very grateful for such a perfect
little bee.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
He's just so perfect. Yeah, and so cute. I'm grateful
that he's smiling.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Yeah, oh god, it's wild.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
It's so cute.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
I can't wait to see him. I need to I
need to love him and.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
Just to wait, just you wait.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
But he'll probably be awake by the time we're done,
he's just I'm getting him so fat off this breast belt.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Let's go boobies, Let's go boobies. I'm grateful for these boobies.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
What are you grateful for?

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
Mary Brown?

Speaker 5 (01:10:42):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
God, today, Today I chose up. I chose up.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
I chose chose up, shows up and up.

Speaker 4 (01:10:49):
Because I practice gratitude literally every morning, every day.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
I practice a lot of things every day. It just
makes my day kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
But for this past week, I've just been feeling a
lot of that nervous system anxiety stress thing, and it's
because of things in my life right now. So I
think just the ability to be able to cope, cope, yes, cope.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
You're hanging up.

Speaker 4 (01:11:10):
Yeah, I'm so grateful for that because there's so many
people that don't know how to get out of their
own way, and that's debilitating and sad and scary and lonely.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
So my ability to be able to cope, I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
Yeah, I'm proud of you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Thank you, yes, sisters. Yeah, yeah, you guys for having
me listeners. Thank you for being here also, and check
out Laura Belts. Follow her on Instagram, don't follow her
on Instagram. Listen to her pod do whatever you want.
Listen to her podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Which writer soup? Did I ever even say the name
of it?

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
No? And you can stream it and now watch it
on every major platform.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
Yes, it comes out on September fifteenth. Switching to videos though,
I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Wait so far be on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
It will just be on Oh fun, yes fun. Subscribe
like listen, we got to support.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
I'm just following in your in your your lead. Look
at how gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
I know, it's really fun podcasting. Congratulations on everything.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
I'm so happy that you're here. Thank you, and thanks
everybody for listening and stopping by. Thank you, see you later.
Bye h

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