April 4, 2026 • 21 mins
In this episode of TV Reload, Benjamin Norris and his guest host, Brose Avard, dive into the comedy / drama film that's got everyone talking. The latest A24 release The Drama. They avoid discussing the movie's unexpected twist, to allow audience to walk into the theatre with a similar set up to the movies current trailer. Their conversation touches on the film's exploration of heavy topics, its dark humour and the performances of the lead actors, including Zendaya and Robert Pattinson. The hosts also share their thoughts on the movie's direction, score and the themes of communication and relationships. With a mix of humour and seriousness, this episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the latest film releases.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's in the news today, but it was actually on
TV Reload the podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Last beep that line.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Good, everyone, Welcome back to TV Reload. My name is
Benjamin Norris, and today I'm joined by the Easter Bunny himself,
brose of Ard.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
I had to make a choice. Actually, was I going
to put a down payment on a car or buy
an Easter egg? I mean, they're the choices we have
to make.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
But also you just have to wait until the eggs
are seventy five percent off two days later.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
That's true, that's tra got wait till they discounted. That's
what we're all waiting for.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Easter is now the weekend after Easter, as far as
eggs are concerned.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I'm just really pleased though that Alban Eazy has wished
us all a happy Easter.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Oh look, and he's such a charismatic guy, isn't any
you talk so?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Well? What did we watch this week? Let's get onto business.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Let's get out of that, and let's get into the movie.
This week we're diving into the drama. I'm just going
to say right off the bat, this movie was not
what I was expecting. And also I did not watch
the trailer, so when you messaged me and said, hope
the movie is better than the trailer. I thought I'd
heard enough about this movie that there was a twist
in it or a shock or a surprise that would
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polarize the audience enough that people have been sort of
picketing not to go and see this movie in the US.
Really upset people, And rising do we talk about what
the twist is today?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I don't think we shouldn't because one of the things
is that trailer.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
One of the things about it is it's so good
because not only do not know what the twist is,
they don't give that away, they also don't give away
who says the thing or does the thing that upsets
the other. So the trailer is really expertly done, as
opposed to most trailers these days that just give everything away.
And before you've seen it, you've seen all the best
bits or whatever, and you know the plot.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Ready and turn nice. The wedding is this Saturday, so
that you need to do so. Before we got married,
we did this thing, or we said the worst thing
we've ever done. I'll tell mine if we all do it.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Promise, what did you do this?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Beer bottles and porn left a.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, I've done Okay, I I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I ever, what the fuck?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
So I think we should don't you think we should
keep beating it run and just keep their secrets for them.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
There's a real novelty to this movie that there's going
to be something really polarizing that's going to happen fairly
soon into the movie, because in some ways, this is
what I was told about this movie. By the way,
what I was told was it's like Closer. So I
thought it was going to be like a relationship drama
y type thing where people behave badly.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah right, well, yeah, no, it's not quite that. It's
a little bit more intimate, I suppose than that with
the couple involved.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Have you got a.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Synopsis for us there so we can do I do
stuck into this. I want to get stuck in. I'm
holding back, man. I don't want to fill the front
end of the podcast with all the discussion, and we
haven't heard the synopsis.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
So people know what it is about. The drama is
a dark, uncomfortable relationship story that begins like any other
romance movie and slowly unravels into something far more confronting.
What starts as a chance meeting between Charlie and Emma
turns into a whirlwind engagement, but everything changes when a
seemingly harmless game amongst friends forces them to confess the
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worst things that they've ever done.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
That's as far as we'll explain. Yeah, yeah, for sure,
for sure.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
So but let me ask you, Ben, what is the
worst thing you've ever done? I can reveal mine. It's
quite easy. I sat through the entirety of reminders of him.
I think that's the worst thing I've ever done, the
worst thing I've ever had to do. And look, I've
already talked about it on the podcast, so I guess
I can't keep it a secret any longer. Then the
worst thing you've done? Is it Magic Faraway Tree?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Is it the Magic Faraway Tree? These are the worst
movies you've ever seen? Ah? No?
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Well, no, the worst movie I've ever seen is Spawn,
But that's a different story.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
My worst movie of all time is The Island of
Doctor Moreau, which is the remake, and I went and
saw it with I was on a date with a
woman in the nineties. Wow, when we all the woman
that I talk the girl, I should say, because I
think we were sixteen. But anyway, she laughed. The entire
movie it is very funny.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Now, I don't know if it was funny then.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I don't know if anyone has ever actually seen this
apart from you and I, but the makeup and special
effects for that film is appalling.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Have you seen the documentary about the making of highlighted
document doctor Moron?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Also, you wouldn't surprise you to find out that there
was a lot of partying going on in the crew
and cast of that movie during the entire making of it,
and that often people were either hungover or still carrying
on from the night before when they're on set.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
So no surprises at all.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
I thought you were going to get into that Wizard
of Oz room at that all the Munchkins, you know,
got it on in between takes. You know, there was
munchkin orgies. Have you read that about the Munchkin orgies?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
It was very similar on the island.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah, and certain substances as well as alcohol and as
well as I think there were babies conceived. I think
that's a fact, but I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Wow, the drama.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
The only I want to pointed about the drama to
to everybody, and the thing that surprised me. And this
is a thing I was saying when I said, I
hope it's better than the trailer. It's not a drama.
It is in some ways like a modern take on
a romantic comedy. And there are some very funny, laugh
out loud moments, probably because the dramatic moments are so
heavy that when there's levity, obviously it seems it seems funnier.
But I was laughing. I mean, I laugh out loud
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at the best of times. But the cinema I found
it very funny. So if you were looking at the
trailer thinking and it looks a bit stiff and a
bit overly dramatic, it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
It was quite funny and quite light.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Plus, Sendeia is like the most charismatic person on film
at the moment, just about She's right up there with
all the best people on film. I'm trying to again
hath Away, another very charismatic performer. She's right up there
with the best of them. They do point out very
early on that she's thirty, because she does look sixteen
through it.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
She always looks twelve any movie exactly.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
And she just finished playing a something year old in Utopia.
Before she popped over and did Spider Man and then
did this film, and she's you know, she could be
anywhere from sixteen to thirty.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
They don't point out Charlie's age at all.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
During this film, Patterson, who is almost forty, So I
don't know if the age gap is. I assume there's
like a ten year age gap, which makes this film
a little bit weirder in hindsight, But it's fine.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
It's within the ten year thing. That's a rule, right.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Apparently I want to jump in there and say something
because you pointed out that Zendaeia was so charismatic. I
felt like Robert Patterson Pattinson was trying very hard to
keep up with that. Sometimes it felt a little distracting.
Maybe it was the haircut. I don't know, but yeah,
I think you're right.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I think Pattinson's used to being a little bit more
silent type and brooding in films, at least obviously Twilight
and things like that, and obviously in Batman as well.
I made plenty of Batman jokes throughout this film as well,
and the English accent.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Why there was an actor that he kept reminding me of,
and so I was so determined that this was accurate.
That I was then searching Hugh Grant with Robert to
see whether or not he had publicly acknowledged this was
sort of a Hugh Grant forewardings and a funeral type
English fun just a bit old, just all yeah with
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the floppy hair and you yeah, but I don't know.
I also want to jump back to something that you
also said about the humor of this. This movie is
going to polarize people, because I, like you, if something
is funny, I will laugh very loudly in the theater.
And I laughed very loudly, and people looked at me
with disdain, and people left the movie as well, by
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the way they were leaving the city, leaving the cinema,
because it was totally inappropriate to be laughing at some
of the fairy But that's my jam.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Bro, But that's also how it was written. It was
written to have jokes, and it was written to have
levity throughout it. It's a fairly heavy topic. Although my
point as well, though, is I don't know if the
inciting incident is as bad as we're led to believe.
And given that it was said when the person said
it was, they were quite drunk that it wasn't necessarily
couched the right way or said the right way, and
so I just I don't know to make I can
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see how it can be taken the wrong way, and
the film presents it in that way, and the film
wants you to be upset about it, but I just
don't know if it's quite presented that way the whole time.
I'm like, I see how that can be taken badly,
but it's not necessarily a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
They needed something though, to make sure that it could
warrant the melodrama that was to follow, do you know
what I mean? Like they quit time this down because
I had a conversation with a woman that was coming
out of it and she was like, not for me,
very upset about the subject matter, and I was like, yes,
but they had to confess something that would you know,
then turn everything on.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Everyone against again, you know what I mean exactly? Was
the subject matter chosen just for shock value? Maybe, but
I think it's also sending a message as well. That's
the message is that this is a terrible bad thing
that people don't even necessarily acknowledge on a daily basis.
In the United States, is a terrible, bad thing, right,
so it is good to throw it in people's faces and.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Say, yeah, you should be upset.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
You should be shocked, because we're not shocked and upset
enough about this kind of stuff, So you know, it's
all very intentional. The director also wrote the screenplay, Christopher Borgley,
and I did a great job of directing a screenplay.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I thought it was phenomenal. Direction was tight, and I
like the kind.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Of flashback stuff that had like like noise, white noise
kind of playing over the top of it, or you know,
the end of an audio cassette tape or something, so
you knew that was a flashback or an imagination or
a dream. I loved all that stuff all the way through.
It told to me at first like what is this?
And then you're like, oh, really tasty, really cool stuff
that was going on. But yeah, he had some really
good choices. And it was shot or set in New York?
(09:24):
Was it set in New York?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
I don't think that the location was integral to the story.
So I don't think that they really needed to show us,
you know, the Statue of Liberty or you know, any
of the landmarks, because I don't think that was really
the point, you know, the director did something which I
think was really interesting, And this is one of those
movies that the more you think about it, the better
it seems to get, because it's a really great film
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to unpack with someone that you.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Definitely lots of layers to this film, which was really tasty.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Because the director has done something that I think is
really key. And at the moment where we're fearful of mentioning,
you know, pro Palestine, pro Israel, all of these things
that you know you could say at a dinner party
and absolutely polarize your audience and have them completely turn
on you is happening to people all the time. I
just recently was at a lunch where someone said something
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really polarizing and everyone at the table reacted so over
the top.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
It was this you and that whole black people in
movies thing you don't like.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Or stop bringing that up. That's true.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
It's definitely not true.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
The outtakes so over twelve months time will flashback to
all the references where apparently I don't like black.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
It's not true at all, just me teasing. Yeah. The
other thing I loved about this too is that and.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Again, without giving anything away, the other person who didn't
say the thing that was polarizing. It had already been
set up that they fixate on things, and then that
character proceeded to fixate on things for the rest of
the movie until they resolve right in the in the
last fifteen minutes or.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
So, or resolve ish, I should say.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
And I love that they'd set that up, and it
adds another moment, and you might have missed that idea
for that character, that they do fixate. But then that's
exactly what we're seeing for the rest of the film
is not so much that they're polarized or they're blown
away or offended, is that they're doing exactly what we
knew they would do. They're fixating so much to the
point of ridiculous. They're overthinking it and they're considering it
and how it affects the rest of their life rather
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than thinking about it rationally, which is again what a
lot of people are doing right now with a lot
of things. Is that fixation and fixation on the negative.
It's a clever element too, because, like you're saying, you know,
you can look at a very surface level this film.
You watch it a second time, then you're probably going
to start uncovering things that you didn't notice on the
first viewing. And there is a lot of texture there
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in that script, a lot of depth.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
What would you say that this movie is more of
a comedy drama straight up psychological horror?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Why is it a horror?
Speaker 1 (11:42):
There's horror elements to this?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
How so talk me through?
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Well, it's hard to unpack that because I want to
say too much about a twist is but like you know, there's.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
This Would you call it an emotional horror rather than psychological?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I think that's correct. I think, yeah, the psychological horror.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Have you just created a new genre?
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I'm here for genre because there was a tension that
built throughout this movie that made you feel uncomfortable whilst
entertained at the same time. Like, yeah, I was addicted
to this film the whole way through, so I was
never bored. They never gave us any wastage of anything.
The supporting cast was also really phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Well.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Alana Haim I just love and everything she's done and
is she She's so good. She's from the band haim
Oh and she her sister is also an actor. I
watched something with her recently which I cannot remember. Off
the top of my head. She played the assistant. Anyway,
She's also in Licorice Pizza, and she's been in a couple.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Of other things as well.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
She's so good in this Yes, her character gave me
the absolute shits, but she's very good.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
So it wasn't Alana Haym give me the shits.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
It was a character though, the two supporting characters. So
you've got the two protagonists that you know go out
for this dinner with another couple, and it's that other
couple that have to deliver a bit of a setup
to this film. And also their reaction is so integral
to the story as well and how that plays out
for them.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Mike and Rachel are the two friends, which is a
lie Haim and namudu athy.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
And a brilliant job they do.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
One of the problems I have with this film, which
is a good thing, is that I found it a
little bit hard at times to submit to the premise
when Zendeia was so electric on screen, and that made me,
it got me outside of the picture just a little
bit that I just couldn't have any issue with her
and the way she behaved at any time, good or
bad or indifferent. Because I just found I just find
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her electric. And she's also the reason I think this
film is so watchable and you can put up with
the subject matter all the way through is that it's
just impossible not to just, you know, be drawn to
her on screen every time. And maybe this comes back
to the idea you were saying about Pattinson not quite
having the same charisma on screen, but well he didn't.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
You know, I think that was really obvious, because you
are correct. I mean, this might be a straight man's
problem because I did not have this issue. I did
not notice this at all. I was not because I
have felt very uncomfortable about.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah right, I just felt like as long as Zendeya
was holding my hand, it didn't bother me at all.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Even with the vomiting.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
The vomiting, Yeah, look, they didn't bother me too much.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
But you know, I don't mnd a bit of vomit.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Come over out of my house. You know, I knew
that's where you'd go with this, and that's not what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I know it's not what you mean, and I know
that you don't like being pushed in that direction to
make it sound like you are disgusting that like Harvey Weinstein.
That's overling over people. That's not what I'm saying. But
I will say though I did not have the same
issue you.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Did, fluctuate with her behavior and the way they dealt
with things. Absolutely, Yeah, yeah, that's good. That's good to
know because I didn't have that problem. But yes, our
old friend Daniel Pemberton with the school who did Project Hail.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Mary, here we are with him again coming around. He
has pivoted from this Space Extravaganza really and the score
for that as well was so different to this, like.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, incredible, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
But whilst it was still so different, there was still
sort of an electro sound to it that made this
film feel very modern. So I just think Daniel needs
to do all of our movie everywhere about baby score.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
The other thing about Pemberton's score is that Project Hail
Mary had a real intimacy to that music and it
connected really well to the character and then projected the
drama of the movie through the character. And then this
film kind of does the same thing. You know, we
feel really connected with the characters, and then the music
feels like it's emanating from them as opposed to just
being around them, although check out Pemberton's IMDb photo. He's
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got a brush forward hair thing going on as well.
But I like his His brush brush forward hair thing works.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
He's the only one we can get away with it.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I think that's what Patterson was going for.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
And Patterson should have had a closer look at Daniel
Pemberson's hair because I quite like it quite well.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Were you surprised? Just while I pivot back to the director,
Like with Christopher, I thought it was really interesting that
when I checked his IMDb that he hadn't made a
lot of films. I was expecting, No, not.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Much there at all? Is there?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
No? There was nothing. I was expecting to see something
and go, oh, you tonally make these sorts of movies
and you're really good at it. Where this film feels
like this director has been making movies for a long time.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
So there's a lot of shorts, and there's a few
music videos and there's a docco in there.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah, but no.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Big moment that you go oh, I remember.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Seeing that this is the big moment.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
This is his big moment. And what's interesting though about this?
And I don't know if we're too soon into sort
of talking about our thoughts and feelings in terms of
giving it a ranking. But I don't know how This
movie is amazing and in so many different ways, but
is it going to work, Like people going to go
and see this movie. I don't know whether the drama
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is a wider audience type film.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
There's a certain collection of people that are just going
to be disappointed that it's not a spinoff from Entourage
and a movie all about Johnny drama.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
I think, you know that's going to upset people.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I know.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
I think there's an in built audience for this movie.
I think Zendiah surprised she wasn't using a surname because
she's married now, so Zendiah Man she was a spider
man who's man the surname there, I think, but she's
not using a surname. And Rob Patterson, I think there's
a building audience for those people. I think there's a
and I think the drama makes it intrigue. Although that
being said, I was speaking to This is a long
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story in some ways to set up. But there's a
guy that works in a shop near my house, a
restaurant near my house. I was chatting to him saying
I was going to see the druma last night and
he was like, oh, I want to go and see it.
And then I saw him today and he said what
was it about? And I said, oh, look, it was
much funnier. It's kind of like this. It's kind of
like that. He said, Oh, tell me what the inciting
moment is because we don't get to see it in
the trailer. So I tell him. He's like, oh, I'll
probably go see it now. They should release another trailer
in the next couple of weeks that gives it away.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah, so they give two sort of different cinematic experiences.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
You know. I think people will want to see it,
but maybe it's not marketed quite the right way. Maybe
there needs to be a rom com version of the
trailer or a couple of the gags, and I don't know,
and see give away something that.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Does it give away too much? Though, Like if you're
giving away, let's just say what was said at the
dinner table that is the polarizing moment if that was
actually in the trailer, and then we've got some of
the other comedic moments that come off the back of
that that need to have it explained. You know, you're
making a micro movie. Which we don't like in trailers.
But people in America are not seeing this movie. That's
what I think think is really interesting is it's come
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out and people are saying, no, that's a subject matter
that we are uncomfortable yeah watching.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
So I didn't know that until obviously you've told me today.
But it doesn't surprise me. But at the same time,
it surprises me, and I think people should go and.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
See it regardless. I think it's worth seeing.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I loved the awkward laughs, like I literally was laughing
so loud person in the theater, like half of my.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Mouth Oh, how dare I? How dare I?
Speaker 1 (18:26):
And the lady looked at me like I cannot believe
you are laughing at this, and I'm like, listen here, lady,
this is a black comedy. This is the tone of
a black comedy. That is the style of that.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Have people never.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Seen Doctor Strange Love? I mean, how hilarious is a
atomic war? Come on, let's get on get on board.
It's where all the jokes are.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
I'm going to jump in straight away with my rating
of this. How many stars?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
And yeah, how many stars?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I'm going to go with three and a half.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, I'm going three and a half as well.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I agree, Yeah, it's not a classic movie like this
is not like something that people are going to be
talking about for years to come. But for the level
of enjoyment that I got out of is and the
thoughts and feelings that I've had post viewing, Yeah, I
like this sort of film, you know. I like to
be able to walk away and let it, you know,
taste it and think about how it made me feel.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah, and definitely I agree. It's a film I definitely
recommend for anyone to go and see. It's a film
that I'd be happy to watch a second time with
no issue. I think there's enough, as we've discussed, there's
enough going on that a second watch would be interesting.
I think it's worth tackling the big issues in a
fun way. But the other thing, too, is it's nice
to have. Essentially, what is a romantic comedy. Maybe it's
a bit more modern or meta or whatever term you
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want to use.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Postmodern.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
It's a post romantic comedy, comedy, drama. It's brilliant, but
younger people in there doing something with real weight to
it as well. It's not flippant, not that there's anything
wrong with that. Something about Mary's one of my favorite
films ever, and it's all flippant, great character, but flippant jokes.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
But this is, you know, there's some serious stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
It's the kind of thing you expect Meryl Streep and
Alec Baldwin to be in or something. Yeah, it's you know, Zindian,
Robert Patterson. It's two people under forty just and then
a great supporting car. So it's nice to see people
this age and this type of film as well. It's
a low budget drama with some great jokes all the
way through it as well, And if you don't get
the jokes, it's still great anyway. Some incredible tense moments
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like you're saying where you feel a bit awkward for
various people on screen. The bit where Charles meets Rachel's
cousin downstairs after they have that little meeting in her
offers is just so awkward and horrible but kind of
hilarious at the same time. So yeah, it's a film
well worth watching.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I want to know from you about your relationship with
mel Do you think that there's anything that she could
say to you or you could say to her that
could unravel your whole relationship? N No, I don't think
so with Ben, but I was thinking about this myself.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I mean, that's the problem. Is one of the problems
I have with this film, and it's not a big problem. Again,
was the inciting incident is that communication is it solves
all problems. And if you're not going to communicate properly,
which they kind of don't.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Robert Pattinson was a terror communicator in this movie.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Well, it was just kind of bullying and badgering or
and fixating on it.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
So what are we doing? What are we What are
we doing next week? If you've asked me, sorry, you've
got the answers.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Well, the answer is we're seeing the deb which is
being distributed by Rialto and it's caused a lot of noise.
This film is supposed to be out in twenty twenty four.
It's finally getting a release, a very quiet release, I believe.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Oh, drama, talk about the drama, Talk.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
About the drama. Yeah, we are going to go and
check that out. We will be back next week. But
for anyone out there looking for actual drama, go and
see the drama.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Oh, definitely see it. It was great.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
It is absolutely fantastic. And yeah, and write to us,
let us know, hit us up on rams, tell us
what you think of this movie.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
We can talk to you personally privately about it.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
If we don't want to give anything away here, we
can revisit this film in about six months a week
and give it all.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Away, give it the whole thing away anyway. If you're
looking for something fun to go and watch, especially on
a date night, go and see the drama
It's in the news today, but it was actually on
TV Reload the podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Last beep that line.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Good, everyone, Welcome back to TV Reload. My name is
Benjamin Norris, and today I'm joined by the Easter Bunny himself,
brose of Ard.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
I had to make a choice. Actually, was I going
to put a down payment on a car or buy
an Easter egg? I mean, they're the choices we have
to make.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
But also you just have to wait until the eggs
are seventy five percent off two days later.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
That's true, that's tra got wait till they discounted. That's
what we're all waiting for.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Easter is now the weekend after Easter, as far as
eggs are concerned.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I'm just really pleased though that Alban Eazy has wished
us all a happy Easter.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Oh look, and he's such a charismatic guy, isn't any
you talk so?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Well? What did we watch this week? Let's get onto business.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Let's get out of that, and let's get into the movie.
This week we're diving into the drama. I'm just going
to say right off the bat, this movie was not
what I was expecting. And also I did not watch
the trailer, so when you messaged me and said, hope
the movie is better than the trailer. I thought I'd
heard enough about this movie that there was a twist
in it or a shock or a surprise that would
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polarize the audience enough that people have been sort of
picketing not to go and see this movie in the US.
Really upset people, And rising do we talk about what
the twist is today?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I don't think we shouldn't because one of the things
is that trailer.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
One of the things about it is it's so good
because not only do not know what the twist is,
they don't give that away, they also don't give away
who says the thing or does the thing that upsets
the other. So the trailer is really expertly done, as
opposed to most trailers these days that just give everything away.
And before you've seen it, you've seen all the best
bits or whatever, and you know the plot.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Ready and turn nice. The wedding is this Saturday, so
that you need to do so. Before we got married,
we did this thing, or we said the worst thing
we've ever done. I'll tell mine if we all do it.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Promise, what did you do this?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Beer bottles and porn left a.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, I've done Okay, I I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I ever, what the fuck?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
So I think we should don't you think we should
keep beating it run and just keep their secrets for them.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
There's a real novelty to this movie that there's going
to be something really polarizing that's going to happen fairly
soon into the movie, because in some ways, this is
what I was told about this movie. By the way,
what I was told was it's like Closer. So I
thought it was going to be like a relationship drama
y type thing where people behave badly.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah right, well, yeah, no, it's not quite that. It's
a little bit more intimate, I suppose than that with
the couple involved.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Have you got a.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Synopsis for us there so we can do I do
stuck into this. I want to get stuck in. I'm
holding back, man. I don't want to fill the front
end of the podcast with all the discussion, and we
haven't heard the synopsis.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
So people know what it is about. The drama is
a dark, uncomfortable relationship story that begins like any other
romance movie and slowly unravels into something far more confronting.
What starts as a chance meeting between Charlie and Emma
turns into a whirlwind engagement, but everything changes when a
seemingly harmless game amongst friends forces them to confess the
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worst things that they've ever done.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
That's as far as we'll explain. Yeah, yeah, for sure,
for sure.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
So but let me ask you, Ben, what is the
worst thing you've ever done? I can reveal mine. It's
quite easy. I sat through the entirety of reminders of him.
I think that's the worst thing I've ever done, the
worst thing I've ever had to do. And look, I've
already talked about it on the podcast, so I guess
I can't keep it a secret any longer. Then the
worst thing you've done? Is it Magic Faraway Tree?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Is it the Magic Faraway Tree? These are the worst
movies you've ever seen? Ah? No?
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Well, no, the worst movie I've ever seen is Spawn,
But that's a different story.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
My worst movie of all time is The Island of
Doctor Moreau, which is the remake, and I went and
saw it with I was on a date with a
woman in the nineties. Wow, when we all the woman
that I talk the girl, I should say, because I
think we were sixteen. But anyway, she laughed. The entire
movie it is very funny.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Now, I don't know if it was funny then.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I don't know if anyone has ever actually seen this
apart from you and I, but the makeup and special
effects for that film is appalling.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Have you seen the documentary about the making of highlighted
document doctor Moron?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Also, you wouldn't surprise you to find out that there
was a lot of partying going on in the crew
and cast of that movie during the entire making of it,
and that often people were either hungover or still carrying
on from the night before when they're on set.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
So no surprises at all.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
I thought you were going to get into that Wizard
of Oz room at that all the Munchkins, you know,
got it on in between takes. You know, there was
munchkin orgies. Have you read that about the Munchkin orgies?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
It was very similar on the island.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah, and certain substances as well as alcohol and as
well as I think there were babies conceived. I think
that's a fact, but I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Wow, the drama.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
The only I want to pointed about the drama to
to everybody, and the thing that surprised me. And this
is a thing I was saying when I said, I
hope it's better than the trailer. It's not a drama.
It is in some ways like a modern take on
a romantic comedy. And there are some very funny, laugh
out loud moments, probably because the dramatic moments are so
heavy that when there's levity, obviously it seems it seems funnier.
But I was laughing. I mean, I laugh out loud
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at the best of times. But the cinema I found
it very funny. So if you were looking at the
trailer thinking and it looks a bit stiff and a
bit overly dramatic, it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
It was quite funny and quite light.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Plus, Sendeia is like the most charismatic person on film
at the moment, just about She's right up there with
all the best people on film. I'm trying to again
hath Away, another very charismatic performer. She's right up there
with the best of them. They do point out very
early on that she's thirty, because she does look sixteen
through it.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
She always looks twelve any movie exactly.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
And she just finished playing a something year old in Utopia.
Before she popped over and did Spider Man and then
did this film, and she's you know, she could be
anywhere from sixteen to thirty.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
They don't point out Charlie's age at all.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
During this film, Patterson, who is almost forty, So I
don't know if the age gap is. I assume there's
like a ten year age gap, which makes this film
a little bit weirder in hindsight, But it's fine.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
It's within the ten year thing. That's a rule, right.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Apparently I want to jump in there and say something
because you pointed out that Zendaeia was so charismatic. I
felt like Robert Patterson Pattinson was trying very hard to
keep up with that. Sometimes it felt a little distracting.
Maybe it was the haircut. I don't know, but yeah,
I think you're right.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I think Pattinson's used to being a little bit more
silent type and brooding in films, at least obviously Twilight
and things like that, and obviously in Batman as well.
I made plenty of Batman jokes throughout this film as well,
and the English accent.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Why there was an actor that he kept reminding me of,
and so I was so determined that this was accurate.
That I was then searching Hugh Grant with Robert to
see whether or not he had publicly acknowledged this was
sort of a Hugh Grant forewardings and a funeral type
English fun just a bit old, just all yeah with
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the floppy hair and you yeah, but I don't know.
I also want to jump back to something that you
also said about the humor of this. This movie is
going to polarize people, because I, like you, if something
is funny, I will laugh very loudly in the theater.
And I laughed very loudly, and people looked at me
with disdain, and people left the movie as well, by
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the way they were leaving the city, leaving the cinema,
because it was totally inappropriate to be laughing at some
of the fairy But that's my jam.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Bro, But that's also how it was written. It was
written to have jokes, and it was written to have
levity throughout it. It's a fairly heavy topic. Although my
point as well, though, is I don't know if the
inciting incident is as bad as we're led to believe.
And given that it was said when the person said
it was, they were quite drunk that it wasn't necessarily
couched the right way or said the right way, and
so I just I don't know to make I can
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see how it can be taken the wrong way, and
the film presents it in that way, and the film
wants you to be upset about it, but I just
don't know if it's quite presented that way the whole time.
I'm like, I see how that can be taken badly,
but it's not necessarily a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
They needed something though, to make sure that it could
warrant the melodrama that was to follow, do you know
what I mean? Like they quit time this down because
I had a conversation with a woman that was coming
out of it and she was like, not for me,
very upset about the subject matter, and I was like, yes,
but they had to confess something that would you know,
then turn everything on.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Everyone against again, you know what I mean exactly? Was
the subject matter chosen just for shock value? Maybe, but
I think it's also sending a message as well. That's
the message is that this is a terrible bad thing
that people don't even necessarily acknowledge on a daily basis.
In the United States, is a terrible, bad thing, right,
so it is good to throw it in people's faces and.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Say, yeah, you should be upset.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
You should be shocked, because we're not shocked and upset
enough about this kind of stuff, So you know, it's
all very intentional. The director also wrote the screenplay, Christopher Borgley,
and I did a great job of directing a screenplay.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I thought it was phenomenal. Direction was tight, and I
like the kind.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Of flashback stuff that had like like noise, white noise
kind of playing over the top of it, or you know,
the end of an audio cassette tape or something, so
you knew that was a flashback or an imagination or
a dream. I loved all that stuff all the way through.
It told to me at first like what is this?
And then you're like, oh, really tasty, really cool stuff
that was going on. But yeah, he had some really
good choices. And it was shot or set in New York?
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Was it set in New York?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
I don't think that the location was integral to the story.
So I don't think that they really needed to show us,
you know, the Statue of Liberty or you know, any
of the landmarks, because I don't think that was really
the point, you know, the director did something which I
think was really interesting, And this is one of those
movies that the more you think about it, the better
it seems to get, because it's a really great film
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to unpack with someone that you.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Definitely lots of layers to this film, which was really tasty.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Because the director has done something that I think is
really key. And at the moment where we're fearful of mentioning,
you know, pro Palestine, pro Israel, all of these things
that you know you could say at a dinner party
and absolutely polarize your audience and have them completely turn
on you is happening to people all the time. I
just recently was at a lunch where someone said something
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really polarizing and everyone at the table reacted so over
the top.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
It was this you and that whole black people in
movies thing you don't like.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Or stop bringing that up. That's true.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
It's definitely not true.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
The outtakes so over twelve months time will flashback to
all the references where apparently I don't like black.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
It's not true at all, just me teasing. Yeah. The
other thing I loved about this too is that and.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Again, without giving anything away, the other person who didn't
say the thing that was polarizing. It had already been
set up that they fixate on things, and then that
character proceeded to fixate on things for the rest of
the movie until they resolve right in the in the
last fifteen minutes or.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
So, or resolve ish, I should say.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
And I love that they'd set that up, and it
adds another moment, and you might have missed that idea
for that character, that they do fixate. But then that's
exactly what we're seeing for the rest of the film
is not so much that they're polarized or they're blown
away or offended, is that they're doing exactly what we
knew they would do. They're fixating so much to the
point of ridiculous. They're overthinking it and they're considering it
and how it affects the rest of their life rather
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than thinking about it rationally, which is again what a
lot of people are doing right now with a lot
of things. Is that fixation and fixation on the negative.
It's a clever element too, because, like you're saying, you know,
you can look at a very surface level this film.
You watch it a second time, then you're probably going
to start uncovering things that you didn't notice on the
first viewing. And there is a lot of texture there
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in that script, a lot of depth.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
What would you say that this movie is more of
a comedy drama straight up psychological horror?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Why is it a horror?
Speaker 1 (11:42):
There's horror elements to this?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
How so talk me through?
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Well, it's hard to unpack that because I want to
say too much about a twist is but like you know, there's.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
This Would you call it an emotional horror rather than psychological?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I think that's correct. I think, yeah, the psychological horror.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Have you just created a new genre?
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I'm here for genre because there was a tension that
built throughout this movie that made you feel uncomfortable whilst
entertained at the same time. Like, yeah, I was addicted
to this film the whole way through, so I was
never bored. They never gave us any wastage of anything.
The supporting cast was also really phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Well.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Alana Haim I just love and everything she's done and
is she She's so good. She's from the band haim
Oh and she her sister is also an actor. I
watched something with her recently which I cannot remember. Off
the top of my head. She played the assistant. Anyway,
She's also in Licorice Pizza, and she's been in a couple.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Of other things as well.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
She's so good in this Yes, her character gave me
the absolute shits, but she's very good.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
So it wasn't Alana Haym give me the shits.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
It was a character though, the two supporting characters. So
you've got the two protagonists that you know go out
for this dinner with another couple, and it's that other
couple that have to deliver a bit of a setup
to this film. And also their reaction is so integral
to the story as well and how that plays out
for them.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Mike and Rachel are the two friends, which is a
lie Haim and namudu athy.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
And a brilliant job they do.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
One of the problems I have with this film, which
is a good thing, is that I found it a
little bit hard at times to submit to the premise
when Zendeia was so electric on screen, and that made me,
it got me outside of the picture just a little
bit that I just couldn't have any issue with her
and the way she behaved at any time, good or
bad or indifferent. Because I just found I just find
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her electric. And she's also the reason I think this
film is so watchable and you can put up with
the subject matter all the way through is that it's
just impossible not to just, you know, be drawn to
her on screen every time. And maybe this comes back
to the idea you were saying about Pattinson not quite
having the same charisma on screen, but well he didn't.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
You know, I think that was really obvious, because you
are correct. I mean, this might be a straight man's
problem because I did not have this issue. I did
not notice this at all. I was not because I
have felt very uncomfortable about.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah right, I just felt like as long as Zendeya
was holding my hand, it didn't bother me at all.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Even with the vomiting.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
The vomiting, Yeah, look, they didn't bother me too much.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
But you know, I don't mnd a bit of vomit.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Come over out of my house. You know, I knew
that's where you'd go with this, and that's not what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I know it's not what you mean, and I know
that you don't like being pushed in that direction to
make it sound like you are disgusting that like Harvey Weinstein.
That's overling over people. That's not what I'm saying. But
I will say though I did not have the same
issue you.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Did, fluctuate with her behavior and the way they dealt
with things. Absolutely, Yeah, yeah, that's good. That's good to
know because I didn't have that problem. But yes, our
old friend Daniel Pemberton with the school who did Project Hail.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Mary, here we are with him again coming around. He
has pivoted from this Space Extravaganza really and the score
for that as well was so different to this, like.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, incredible, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
But whilst it was still so different, there was still
sort of an electro sound to it that made this
film feel very modern. So I just think Daniel needs
to do all of our movie everywhere about baby score.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
The other thing about Pemberton's score is that Project Hail
Mary had a real intimacy to that music and it
connected really well to the character and then projected the
drama of the movie through the character. And then this
film kind of does the same thing. You know, we
feel really connected with the characters, and then the music
feels like it's emanating from them as opposed to just
being around them, although check out Pemberton's IMDb photo. He's
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got a brush forward hair thing going on as well.
But I like his His brush brush forward hair thing works.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
He's the only one we can get away with it.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I think that's what Patterson was going for.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
And Patterson should have had a closer look at Daniel
Pemberson's hair because I quite like it quite well.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Were you surprised? Just while I pivot back to the director,
Like with Christopher, I thought it was really interesting that
when I checked his IMDb that he hadn't made a
lot of films. I was expecting, No, not.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Much there at all? Is there?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
No? There was nothing. I was expecting to see something
and go, oh, you tonally make these sorts of movies
and you're really good at it. Where this film feels
like this director has been making movies for a long time.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
So there's a lot of shorts, and there's a few
music videos and there's a docco in there.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah, but no.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Big moment that you go oh, I remember.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Seeing that this is the big moment.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
This is his big moment. And what's interesting though about this?
And I don't know if we're too soon into sort
of talking about our thoughts and feelings in terms of
giving it a ranking. But I don't know how This
movie is amazing and in so many different ways, but
is it going to work, Like people going to go
and see this movie. I don't know whether the drama
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is a wider audience type film.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
There's a certain collection of people that are just going
to be disappointed that it's not a spinoff from Entourage
and a movie all about Johnny drama.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
I think, you know that's going to upset people.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I know.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
I think there's an in built audience for this movie.
I think Zendiah surprised she wasn't using a surname because
she's married now, so Zendiah Man she was a spider
man who's man the surname there, I think, but she's
not using a surname. And Rob Patterson, I think there's
a building audience for those people. I think there's a
and I think the drama makes it intrigue. Although that
being said, I was speaking to This is a long
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story in some ways to set up. But there's a
guy that works in a shop near my house, a
restaurant near my house. I was chatting to him saying
I was going to see the druma last night and
he was like, oh, I want to go and see it.
And then I saw him today and he said what
was it about? And I said, oh, look, it was
much funnier. It's kind of like this. It's kind of
like that. He said, Oh, tell me what the inciting
moment is because we don't get to see it in
the trailer. So I tell him. He's like, oh, I'll
probably go see it now. They should release another trailer
in the next couple of weeks that gives it away.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah, so they give two sort of different cinematic experiences.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
You know. I think people will want to see it,
but maybe it's not marketed quite the right way. Maybe
there needs to be a rom com version of the
trailer or a couple of the gags, and I don't know,
and see give away something that.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Does it give away too much? Though, Like if you're
giving away, let's just say what was said at the
dinner table that is the polarizing moment if that was
actually in the trailer, and then we've got some of
the other comedic moments that come off the back of
that that need to have it explained. You know, you're
making a micro movie. Which we don't like in trailers.
But people in America are not seeing this movie. That's
what I think think is really interesting is it's come
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out and people are saying, no, that's a subject matter
that we are uncomfortable yeah watching.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
So I didn't know that until obviously you've told me today.
But it doesn't surprise me. But at the same time,
it surprises me, and I think people should go and.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
See it regardless. I think it's worth seeing.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I loved the awkward laughs, like I literally was laughing
so loud person in the theater, like half of my.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Mouth Oh, how dare I? How dare I?
Speaker 1 (18:26):
And the lady looked at me like I cannot believe
you are laughing at this, and I'm like, listen here, lady,
this is a black comedy. This is the tone of
a black comedy. That is the style of that.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Have people never.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Seen Doctor Strange Love? I mean, how hilarious is a
atomic war? Come on, let's get on get on board.
It's where all the jokes are.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
I'm going to jump in straight away with my rating
of this. How many stars?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
And yeah, how many stars?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I'm going to go with three and a half.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, I'm going three and a half as well.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I agree, Yeah, it's not a classic movie like this
is not like something that people are going to be
talking about for years to come. But for the level
of enjoyment that I got out of is and the
thoughts and feelings that I've had post viewing, Yeah, I
like this sort of film, you know. I like to
be able to walk away and let it, you know,
taste it and think about how it made me feel.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah, and definitely I agree. It's a film I definitely
recommend for anyone to go and see. It's a film
that I'd be happy to watch a second time with
no issue. I think there's enough, as we've discussed, there's
enough going on that a second watch would be interesting.
I think it's worth tackling the big issues in a
fun way. But the other thing, too, is it's nice
to have. Essentially, what is a romantic comedy. Maybe it's
a bit more modern or meta or whatever term you
(19:36):
want to use.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Postmodern.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
It's a post romantic comedy, comedy, drama. It's brilliant, but
younger people in there doing something with real weight to
it as well. It's not flippant, not that there's anything
wrong with that. Something about Mary's one of my favorite
films ever, and it's all flippant, great character, but flippant jokes.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
But this is, you know, there's some serious stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
It's the kind of thing you expect Meryl Streep and
Alec Baldwin to be in or something. Yeah, it's you know, Zindian,
Robert Patterson. It's two people under forty just and then
a great supporting car. So it's nice to see people
this age and this type of film as well. It's
a low budget drama with some great jokes all the
way through it as well, And if you don't get
the jokes, it's still great anyway. Some incredible tense moments
(20:16):
like you're saying where you feel a bit awkward for
various people on screen. The bit where Charles meets Rachel's
cousin downstairs after they have that little meeting in her
offers is just so awkward and horrible but kind of
hilarious at the same time. So yeah, it's a film
well worth watching.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I want to know from you about your relationship with
mel Do you think that there's anything that she could
say to you or you could say to her that
could unravel your whole relationship? N No, I don't think
so with Ben, but I was thinking about this myself.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I mean, that's the problem. Is one of the problems
I have with this film, and it's not a big problem. Again,
was the inciting incident is that communication is it solves
all problems. And if you're not going to communicate properly,
which they kind of don't.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Robert Pattinson was a terror communicator in this movie.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Well, it was just kind of bullying and badgering or
and fixating on it.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
So what are we doing? What are we What are
we doing next week? If you've asked me, sorry, you've
got the answers.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Well, the answer is we're seeing the deb which is
being distributed by Rialto and it's caused a lot of noise.
This film is supposed to be out in twenty twenty four.
It's finally getting a release, a very quiet release, I believe.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Oh, drama, talk about the drama, Talk.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
About the drama. Yeah, we are going to go and
check that out. We will be back next week. But
for anyone out there looking for actual drama, go and
see the drama.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Oh, definitely see it. It was great.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
It is absolutely fantastic. And yeah, and write to us,
let us know, hit us up on rams, tell us
what you think of this movie.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
We can talk to you personally privately about it.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
If we don't want to give anything away here, we
can revisit this film in about six months a week
and give it all.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Away, give it the whole thing away anyway. If you're
looking for something fun to go and watch, especially on
a date night, go and see the drama
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