07-31-26 FULL SHOW - I've Got Short Timers Real Bad

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 4 (00:26):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to a Friday edition of the show.
I'm your host for the next three hours, Mandy Connall,
and today I am joined by almost Papa to be Well,
he is a papa to be. He's almost a dad.
That baby's perculating. That's Grant Smith.

Speaker 5 (00:41):
Everybody, Hello, Hello to be Dad. We don't do the
Friday oh all together now woo.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
I'm so excited about your impending baby. I can't wait.

Speaker 6 (00:52):
I am tired of waiting. I know, I like the
hardest stretch so far because you're just like, well, we're
in the window. It could happen any day.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
Let me just give you, dad a piece of advice,
because I would say this to your wife Olivia, but
I know that the words I'm about to share with
you are impossible for her. Get as much sleep as
you can.

Speaker 5 (01:10):
I've been getting plenty. Yeah, get it in because you've
been jealous.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
The first yep, the last month of pregnancy, is it
you just you can't just like four times every night.
It's so miserable. The end of pregnancy is so miserable.
It's not the part that everybody's like, you're glowing, No,
that's just sweat because it's a billion degrees outside. I
got a baby on my bladder. But thanks for playing.

Speaker 6 (01:32):
I am excited for fall with a newborn. Oh yeah,
that would be very fun. Yes, she has been through
the degrees.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
The baby's going to be the perfect age to be
a baby pumpkin Halloween.

Speaker 5 (01:43):
She was looking at outfits today.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
I'm talking about carve out the pumpkin, put the baby
inside the pumpkin arms and legs.

Speaker 6 (01:51):
Well, with the drought and everything this year now, a
bunch of the pumpkin patches aren't even opening.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
Yeah, so Olivia is like, well, what am I going
to do?

Speaker 4 (02:00):
They'll be there next year, and the baby will be
even better next year. In the pumpkin peach, you have.

Speaker 6 (02:04):
Something growing in our backyard. We're not sure what it is.
It's either a squash or a pumpkin or pumpkin.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
Okay, there you go. Well, when is the do date?
The tenth? August tenth that's the day I'm supposed to
get back from vacation. So if I see you here,
we'll be like, Grant, what are you doing? And then
it's thy food, and then it's spicy things, and then
it's just walking around all the time to get that baby.

Speaker 5 (02:25):
We've heard of one fail proof methods.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
Oh wait, wait, please dazzle me with your full proof method.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Now.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
I went into labor early, so I did not have
any of these issues. But I one of my favorite
stories of all time dealing with pregnancy. A really good
friend of mine's sister was pregnant. And she's not a
very tall woman. She's maybe five to three, and she
was overdue by like two weeks. She was the most
pregnant pregnant person you have ever seen in your entire life.

(02:54):
It looked like she was carrying a football team. She
was ginormous, and so the doctor said, look, walk around. Well,
we lived in Florida, right, so it's hot. So we
go to the mall and she's so pregnant that she
would walk like like what from one bench, She would
pass one bench and then she would have to sit
down at the next one, just a rest to take
her take her feet off, and this woman, this older,

(03:15):
older lady, walks up and goes, oh, sweetheart, she's sitting
on the bench. This older woman walks up and goes, oh, sweetheart,
when do you do. She looks at her and goes,
two wakes ago, Yeah, we do. Women look like she'd
been hit, and we were like, oh my gosh, I'm
so sorry.

Speaker 6 (03:33):
We'd be like a mile loop around our house and
there's a couple of benches set up that we would
never stop at before, but we make sure we sit
at them for yeah, for a while each time.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
I mean, don't get me wrong, being pregnant was also
like the coolest experience I've ever had in my entire life.
And I feel bad for men that you don't get
the super cool part of being pregnant. I don't feel
bad that you don't have the last month of pregnancy.

Speaker 6 (03:54):
I've literally said this to my wife multiple times, like
I don't want the full pregnancy, but man, be so
cool to know what that feels.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Like, feeling a little human in your body.

Speaker 6 (04:03):
That's like it's just so big now that it's like, oh,
it moves her whole stomach all the time.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Oh yeah, it's so amazing. It's it's just it's such
a miraculous thing.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
It just is.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Having a baby. I mean, don't get me wrong, I
don't want to do it again. Let's well, let's just okay,
I'm just gonna say it. I've already turned on my
out of office reply on my email to go on
at three pm. Is that not the best feeling in
the world. Well, usually that's kind of how I start.
I kind of kick off my vacation. I go back
to the desk after work and I sit down and
I open my computer, and I and about it being

(04:36):
bada boom. I am then done. And yet I did
not do it because I already did it, because I
have to race and get to the airport and yadda,
YadA YadA. Where are you going? We're flying to Vancouver
today and then we are hopping on a cruise ship
on Sunday to go to Alaska. The kids, it's the
grand kids. This is something that Chuck and I when

(04:58):
we were broke. I mean we were so broke, like
we were broke. There wasn't even room for the bee, right,
that's we couldn't even afford the being broke. That's how
broke we were. And we had just gotten married, the
boys were already teenagers, and we were talking about how
cool it would be because we had friends who took
their kids on a vacation all expenses paid, like once

(05:20):
every two years. They every other year, and then the
family have this big meeting where they all decided where
they were going to go on vacation. The kids did
a pitch meeting with a PowerPoint presentation for their destination
of choice, and then there was a vote, and I
just I love that. And at the time, it felt
like we were never going to be able to afford
to do that. And granted we're not going on as
night as a trip as they went on, but being

(05:42):
able to take our kids and our grandkids on a
trip this is like it's I mean, we went, it
really is, and I remember thinking, man, that would be
so great, but it's just it was so far away
at the time, and it was so remote the chances
of us being able to do that. It's it's just
nice to be able to make that happen. And I'm

(06:03):
incredibly grateful. And if you guys weren't listening to me ramble,
I would not be able to do this, So thank you.
Thank you.

Speaker 7 (06:10):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
Let's do the blog, shall we? Today the last day
of July. Go to mandyblog dot com. Mandyblog dot com.
I am posting for the last time on the KOA
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(06:32):
to do. By the way, thanks to you shot me
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Speaker 7 (06:39):
Look for the.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
Headline that says seven thirty one twenty six blog I
got short timers, real bad. Click on that and here
are the headlines you will find within.

Speaker 8 (06:46):
I didn't go with some in office health American all
with ships and clipments and say that's going to press.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
Platch today on the blog, Denver government adds forty K
to a new home. Colorado wine is still booming. You
need to ask me anything today. Bolder's idiotic climate lawsuit
is back in the news. Spain is being invaded scrolling.
Can we talk about naked dressing for a minute. A
Colorado detransitioner talks about gender ideology. Another tiny Colorado town

(07:14):
bites the dust Pine beetles or in the Metro A
deal to disarmed Hamas has been tentatively reached. Yes, the
condo market in Denver is unraveling. Oh look another AI
escaped and attacked another AI. Are these Denver's best breakfast burritos?
It's National Avocado Day and there's freekwalk Want a job?
Get a tattoo? What a cool place to become a citizen?

(07:36):
O zembic face is a thing, and now senior dog zoomis.
US Department of Ed is investigating gate kissing assignment. Cruise
line gratuities are going up. How to bid for an
upgrade on a cruise? Trump actually shrunk the size of
the federal government, interstate or freeway? The language of Rhodes.
When your candidate loses, you hate everyone explaining a library

(07:58):
to gen Z. Yes, working for tips equals better service.
Remember that time John Stewart was right about COVID. They
gave it a shirt but not a face. Those are
the headlines on the blog at Mandy blog dot com.
Tic Tech toe a winner, Yes, there we go, there

(08:18):
we go anyway. Today is the final day before vacation.
I do have two guests coming up. We have not
spoken with Andrew Woodward. He's a nerd at the Common
Sense Institute. And I use the word nerd with love
and respect. Someone sent me a salty text message the
last time I mentioned nerds on the show Grant, and
I was like, I'm sorry, sir, Do you not realize

(08:39):
who's running the world right now? The nerds. The nerds
are in charge of everything. Nerd is a sign of respect, now,
I believe, and that is how I intended. But Andrew
Woodward is one of the nerds at Common Sense Institute.
If you did not see this story, this is exactly
I mean. You know when I sit here on the
show and I talk about Mayor Mike Johnston flapping his

(09:02):
gums about affordability, and I said, what do I say?
If you guys listen to the show, you already know
you know what I say, And that is why don't
you look and see where government makes home building more
expensive and fix that?

Speaker 8 (09:14):
Well?

Speaker 4 (09:15):
Common Sense did. They can't fix it, of course. All
they can do is point out how ridiculous it is
to build houses in Denver. And here's the kicker, here's
the the beast. There is his stance is that every
program the Democrats come up with to make housing more affordable,
adds more fees on the people who build houses. It

(09:35):
makes absolutely no sense. It's so stupid. Forty thousand dollars
just in government imposed costs on every new home forty grand.
We'll talk to Andrew Woodward about that at length at
one o'clock at one at two thirty. We were supposed
to do this last week, and then I didn't realize

(09:57):
we had a baseball game last week. So I am
of doing a win Yogy segment without the wine Yogi.
But Kevin Weber with Carboy Winery is on. They have
just opened Boy. Well, did you know they have a
new tasting room that overlooks Garden of the Gods. Wow. Yeah,
they have like a patio they got so you can
sit and kind of look over Garden of the Gods
and sip Carboy Wine.

Speaker 6 (10:18):
One of my favorite spots in Colorado and has gotten
even better now with Carboy Winery.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
It's fantastic. It's absolutely fantastic. So Kevin's come in, we're
gonna talk about that. We're gonna do a little nerdy
conversation about their certifications they've gotten in the wide world,
things like you know, being green and sustainable, all of
that stuff is a big part of the industry because

(10:42):
they need to take care of what they've got. But
it also has an impact, according to the win Yogi,
on the outcome of the wine. So we're gonna have
a little nerdy conversation about wine at two thirty. We've
got nerdy economics at won Nerdy wine at two thirty,
and the rest of it, people, is up to you.
Because I have mentally checked out. I am packed up,

(11:04):
I am ready to go. My suitcase is by the door,
grant by the door. I have also mentally checked out.
See there you go. That makes two of us. Well,
that's disappointing because, yeah, I don't know if you guys
just heard a ride from training camp. That was a
great cut in. By the way, he did a really
really good job. But he's usually the one to keep

(11:25):
me on track when I have mentally chucked out, So
I can't do that right now. I do have a
few things on the blog today. You can always text
us on the Common Spirit health text line. I did
get a question. Where did that question come from? It
was kind of an interesting question. I am going to
talk about the Hamas Disarmament Agreement. I don't agree with it.

(11:51):
I mean, wait, I don't agree it's actually going to happen.
That is what I'm trying to say. I'm just trying
to act. I don't think it's actually going to happen.
I'll believe it when I see it. I'll believe it.
When I see weapons leaving the area, I'll believe it.
Then here's a question from the text line though that
excuse me from Facebook, that I want to get to

(12:12):
because I've been thinking about it ever since I saw
this woman's comment. If you weren't keeping us your radio
family up to date with everything, what career would you
be in right now? Still a flight attendant or something else.
I would definitely not be a flight attendant. I was
looking for an exit ramp from being a flight attendant.
Not because I didn't like the job I did, but
I'm too much of a homebody. I just got sick

(12:34):
of traveling all the time, and I love to travel,
and I didn't want to ruin it for myself. But
I don't know, you know, great, do you ever think
about this, like you know the sliding doors theory of
your life? If you had just made a left turn
when you made a right turn kind of thing what
your life would be. What I mean, You're not even
that old for me. I'm fifty seven now and I've

(12:54):
been doing this job since nineteen ninety seven. In some way,
shape or form, it's so much a part of who
I am. And frankly, I told my dad this a
long time ago. My dad, when I told him I
was leaving flight attending. At first I had to tell
my dad I was dropping out of college to become
a flight attendant. That was a phenomenal Yeah, that went great,

(13:14):
That could not have been better. Grant, thanks for asking.
And then after he takes advantage of my flight benefits
a few times, I have to tell him I'm leaving
being a flight attendant to go try and break into radio.
And he says, you're gonna die poor. This is what
my dad says. And I said, not if you die
rich will He fooled me anyway, But I told my

(13:37):
dad that when I got into talk radio, I felt
like I found a career where everything that I'm naturally
adept at is in this job. I am really adept
at reading very very quickly, at a very high level
of reading comprehension. It's one of my gifts and my skills,
and I thank my mom for that. But I'm also

(13:58):
good at taking the sort of big picture ideas and
pulling them together in a way that makes sense. That's
actually one of the compliments that I get from people
is like, hey, you take all these things that seem
unconnected and you bring them all together to help me
understand the whole picture. And there's just not a lot
of jobs. I mean, CIA analyst, I don't know, but
I just I don't pine away for another job. I

(14:19):
guess I don't. I don't think about what I there's
nothing I'd rather be doing.

Speaker 6 (14:24):
Well, that's a hard part of working in this industry, right,
It's like you look at all the other real jobs.

Speaker 5 (14:29):
Yeah, Like I don't want to do that crap. I
would probably be an accountant.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
Well, your isn't your dad an accountant?

Speaker 6 (14:37):
My dad is a CPA, and I always thought that
would be the easy route. If I wanted to do that,
I would just take over his firm.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
I would rather have my nose hairs pulled out one
by one than do accounting.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
Yeah, I saw how miserable he was every tax season.
I just this is not the life I want.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
That is not talk about talk about things. I am
not naturally adept at You put a spreadsheet in front
of me, and I got nothing. I don't even know
what these numbers mean.

Speaker 6 (15:04):
I was always very good at math in school, and
I was like, I could do this, for sure. I'd
have a great teacher to tell me how to do everything.
But like I said, I just saw how miserable he
was from the months of January to April, and now
with things getting extended, it's like half the year basically,
where he's like, God, I'm at work twelve hours a day.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (15:26):
And one of the things, one of the coolest things
he ever said to me, I was back home when
I just started working on your show, and I was like, yeah,
this stuff is so fun, but there's just no money.
And he's like, well, do you like your job. I'm like, yeah,
I love it, and he said, well, that's more important,
like enjoy your life. Do something that brings you joy
that also will bring home money to your family. But

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do something that you love doing.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Hey.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
I have mixed feelings about that because I love to cook,
and I paid my way through college and my first
five years in radio working in restaurants, not in the kitchen.
I always worked front of house, and for a long
time I wanted to own a restaurant. But man, that
is an industry that will eat you up and spit
you out physically. I saw what it did to some
of my friends, just really hurt their bodies and they

(16:15):
don't love to cook anymore. And I still love to cook.
So there's things like, yes, find something you love and
do it, but we also have to manage people's expectations. Okay,
if you love playing video games and smoking pot and
eating Cheetos, chances of you making a living that way
not great. Well, it's not like you don't still work hard.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
You know.

Speaker 6 (16:35):
That's not what I was trying to say. I know,
I know exactly where you're talking about. And if you
had a college for video games.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
Yeah, I know. I'm just saying, unless you're really good
at it, it's kind of like being I'm gonna play
professional basketball. Okay, let me know how that works out. No,
it's it's it's interesting. It's just it's very interesting. I
don't know. I'm probably gonna think about that my whole
vacation now, Mandy, Yesterday I asked two questions that did
not get a response. But since you said we could

(17:01):
ask anything today, I'll ask again. First, I heard you
mentioning underwear and miss the lead up, but you mentioned
buttons and snaps and zippers and just made me wonder
what the heck kind of underwear you wear? And secondly,
I asked what happened to the Golden Spike roofing jingle
after the ad? I miss it and so have to
add it myself at the end of each time hearing it.

(17:23):
I don't know. I'm going to record a new Golden
Spike roofing commercial with the jingle when I get back,
just for you. I'm going to do it. The first
question I was not talking about buttons and snaps and zippers.
We moved on from the underwear conversation because I asked
people grant, do you have a team underwear and B
team underwear? Yes, everybody does. And a sea team. Oh

(17:43):
you have a seat I get rid of the seat team. No,
I save them for you.

Speaker 6 (17:46):
Know, like when you when you go on vacation and
you take all of your A team with you. Yeah,
you got a couple of be teams. When you get back,
you don't want to do laundry yet.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
See that's I. I was talking about the fact that
I had already packed my A team. I was wearing
my beat team, and I was very unhappy about that.
I did save a pair of A team for today.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
But no.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
Then that conversation turned into a conversation about buying the
same item and they've changed it, and I said that,
you know, they're trying to save money, so they make
the zippers cheaper and the buttons worse or whatever, so
the underwear does not have buttons and zippers. It was
the the later on of the conversation talking about clothing
that had changed. And I will fix that, Golden Spike.

(18:27):
And I'm going to tell Spike that you love the
jingle and miss it. Here's the thing, I sing it too.
I sing these jingles. I will tell one of my
clients who their jingle was terrible, but I think I
have let's see, fix It has one that's good. Golden
Spike has one that's good. I don't think anybody else
has a jingle right now.

Speaker 6 (18:46):
Well, you've always got it's not one of your endorsements,
but my favorite is the tree.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
Farm five miles west to the Tree Farm. It's going
to be that kind of day. You guys, you can't
forget cars for kids. Oh no, don't you dare Grant,
don't you dare Mandy. Perhaps the best description of Alaska's
mood and character comes from Henry Gannett, chief geographer for

(19:10):
the United States Geological Survey, who in eighteen ninety nine wrote,
if you are old, go by all means, but if
you are young, stay away until you've grown older. The
scenery of Alaska is so much grander than anything else
of the kind in the world that, once beheld, all
other scenery becomes flat and insipid. It is not well
to dull one's capacity for such enjoyment by seeing the

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finest first exactly exactly, We'll be back, AND's asked me anything.
But we can also talk about whether or not Hamas
will actually disarm.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
We'll do that next.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
Then Albright sent me a text on the break that said,
let me pull it up so I can read it
in its entirety. It said I do not understand a
team and B team underwear, to which I responded, because
it's been is is this because of a lack of underwear,
to which he responded, no, I just believe you have underwear,
or you have trash, then you don't have the backup

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underwear that just kind of lurks in the back of
the drawer just in case something happens and you have
no access to laundry or anything, and you just have
to have a backup in there.

Speaker 7 (20:19):
Well, isn't that just queen laundry? I mean, I don't
understand the concept here. I mean I have underwear, and
then if that underwear gets frayed, stained, or a hole
in it, then it becomes trash or a dust rag.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
Do you buy the exact same kind of underwear all
the time. See, I think this is one of those
situations where guys'd guys have it so much easier. Because
I mentioned this yesterday. The underwear that I've been wearing
on a regular basis for literally like twenty five years,
the company that made it stop making it like two
years ago. Oh no, yeah, So now I went and
bought when I realized they were discontinued, I bought every

(20:51):
pair that I could find, Like, I've got a good
maybe five more six more years of underwear. But after
that then I've got to go through the process of
buying other underwear, which is going to be uncomfortable so
if it's not going to feel right, and then I'm
gonna make it. If it makes the first sort of cut,
then it becomes B team underwear. But a lot of

(21:11):
it I donate it. I do donate because I don't
really I'll put it on and go Nope, that's not happening.

Speaker 7 (21:16):
Yeah, I don't need the underwear just because I don't know,
Like I donated to the waste basket or to the
dust rag pile if it gets you know, freight.

Speaker 5 (21:26):
Or holes or whatever.

Speaker 7 (21:27):
But yeah, I bought the same underwear for probably fifteen years,
and I single handedly maybe keeping that company of business.
I don't know, but if they ever go out of business, I'm.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
In a world of hurt.

Speaker 8 (21:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
See that's where That's where I am right now. Guys
really do have it easy. You guys don't have to
deal with bras, which are, honest to god, buying a
bra is I would rather again have my nasal hair
plucked out one by one that have to go bra shopping.
It's miserable. It's it's just it's an absolutely miserable experience.
And guys are just like, I'll just take the box

(21:57):
of briefs from collar to day I'm a little bitter
about it.

Speaker 7 (22:00):
I did a compression boxer briefs from mac Weldon shout
out to them, staying business please, because I do not
want to look for a new underwear provider.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
Well, I'm you know, good for you, Ben, that you're
fancy enough that you can just really nearly get rid
of the B Team underwear and only have a team underwear.
Not all of us are that fancy.

Speaker 7 (22:18):
I didn't realize that was a fancy thing. I just
thought if your underwear became decrepit, you.

Speaker 9 (22:22):
Got rid of it.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
But it's not necessarily decrepit. Some of it's brand new.
Some of my B Team underwear is almost brand new.
It's just uncomfortable. I don't want to wear it on
a daily basis. Then why would you buy uncomfortable underwear
Because you don't know it's uncomfortable until you buy it,
bring it home, try it on, and go, oh god,
what did I just buy? This is the thing about
women's underwear that's different than men's underwear.

Speaker 7 (22:42):
Yeah, I don't have to worry about the thong or
any of that kind of stuff.

Speaker 5 (22:45):
So yeah, or don't a lot of the people, Ben,
we know you wear a Thong, Ben.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
I appreciate your input.

Speaker 5 (22:52):
On this absolutely, take care.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
I have a good one, that Ben all right, you
can hear him of course. By the way, we got
a big Broncos training camp show happening tomorrow from nine
to noon. We got that all right out there. We
got Ryan's going to be out there, and we have
Nick Ferguson going to be there as well, and we
are covering training camp better than anybody else. I'm just
gonna say it. If you don't follow our social media,

(23:16):
this is when you want to jump on because between
training camp and then the regular season the Broncos, we
give you such good content and you can follow everything
everything about the Broncos on our social media. Hi, Mandy,
I'm sixty six years old. I've not worn underwear since
I was seventeen years old. Now, see that is too
much information right there. That's a brave soul. It is Mandy.

(23:40):
Back in the Y two K panic, I bought three
hundred and sixty five pairs of underwear, so I'm good
for a while. Now wait a minute, I have follow
up questions about that text message. I remember Y two
K very clearly, and for those who are younger and
maybe didn't lift through the terror that was y two k.
What was going to happen, you see, is that on
New Year's Eve ninety nine we were not just going

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to party like it was nineteen ninety nine. We were
going to have a complete societal collapse because computers were
not going to be able to understand what to do
with zero zero because up until that point it had
meant nineteen one hundred and oh my god, we were
all gonna die. But nobody talked about buying three hundred
and sixty five pairs of underwear?

Speaker 6 (24:20):
What did what?

Speaker 4 (24:21):
Hell, Texter, what what did you do? I'm going to
need you to follow up. Please, thank you, Mandy. You're
good because in five or six years it'll be depends.
Oh not yet. I'm not ready for that, not at all,
not at all. Remember when you were saying, shut up,

(24:44):
doctor Fauci. I guess he finally did. That is a
fair point, Texter, that is a very fair point on.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
The Advisive Council.

Speaker 6 (24:51):
Yes, I respect client to answer based upon my rights
under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
Yeah, yeah, Hi, Mandy Connell, ask you when after losing weight,
have you ever been fit shamed? I went from two
thirty to one seventy on soda after a hip replacement,
and now I have random people call me crap like
slim in a derogatory manner. I just had some woman
of size that the supermarket call me that because I
aggressively passed her watch it slim. I stopped and asked her,

(25:21):
would you rather be my size or yours? And she
started to cry like a victim have a great vacation.
Let me just say this, you guys, one of the
great things about having this job that I have is
that I have had so much nasty commentary directed at
me that none of it affects me at all. If
somebody made a derogatory comment, I don't even think I would.

(25:42):
It wouldn't even register because I don't care. I truly
don't care. And if someone truly was fit shaming you,
if they really are making a derogatory comment because you
are slimmer than they are, that's just I'd feel bad
for them, feel sad for them. Not you don't worry
about it. I mean, that's this is something if I could,

(26:03):
just if I could spread this one quality that I've
earned over all these many years to all of you,
in this it doesn't matter what some random person thinks
or says about you. Amen, it does not matter. Ever,
doesn't matter, And you know it matters what your family thinks.
And if your family is fit shaming you, then you
guys need to have it. You need to hash it out.

(26:25):
The unfortunate truth is that people friends like to be
around friends that share their similar bad habits so they
don't have to feel bad about their bad habits. That's
the reality. And I've been in those friend groups before.
So when you start making better choices and you start
taking care of yourself, there is a lot of resentment,
but it's not about you. It's about their own personal failures.

(26:48):
I will never forget during the pandemic, when I was
walking around Walmart, I did not have a mask on,
and this girl walks up to me and she drops
her mask down and she goes to people, look at you,
really mean when you don't wear a mask. I'm like, yeah,
she goes, doesn't that bother you? And I went not
at all. I don't know any of these people. I

(27:08):
don't care about any of these people. I don't care
what they think of me. It is the most liberating
experience of your life to finally really take that to
your heart and soul. And if anybody called me slim,
I would be like, oh girl, thank you, thank you.
You make anything derogatory that implies that I am thin,

(27:31):
I am down with that. Own it, baby. I would
have T shirts printed with slim across the back. I
would just yep, you're right, that's me, that is me, Mandy.
Is Southern hospitality a real thing, one hundred percent. It
is a real thing. The only thing I really, really,
really really in my heart miss about living in the

(27:53):
South is Southern hospitality. It's easier when you're Southern to
be extended Southern hospitality. It's harder when you're an outsider
because one thing about being in the South, they can
be very insular. But that's honestly because when you get
out of the South and the Southern people they make
fun of you. They assume you're stupid because you have
an accent. But Southern hospitality and being a good hostess

(28:14):
and setting a nice table and all of that good stuff,
it is one hundred percent a huge thing in the South.
I still get Southern Living magazine. When I started getting
this like thirty five years ago, it was an actual magazine,
but now it's basically a glorified pamphlet, and that makes
me incredibly sad. But I look at all these articles
about setting a beautiful table and all of this stuff,

(28:36):
and I just I do miss that it the warmth
of the South. You don't have it anywhere else in
this country. That's not to say there are not wonderful
places in this country that are kind and welcoming, but
you do not have the true warmth that you get
in the South when it comes to you know, people saying,
oh you're going to stop, buy and visit, let me
cook you an entire meal, which is how they do it,

(28:57):
which is why everyone's fat history is a guide if
you pay attention. And everything Hamas has ever promised to
do has ended with them breaking the agreement. And Hamas
already came out today Hamas is not Hamas always said,
laying down its heavy weapons, which could come later in

(29:17):
the process, was contingent on the creation of a Palestinian state.
Do you know many times Hamas has said, no, thank
you to a Palestinian state. I'm not even gonna get
into it right now, Hamas said Friday, it will begin
disarming however, Israel must pull out completely of Gaza. Now

(29:39):
Israel has not officially commented on the deal yet. This
is another thing. It's like, I think it's I think
it's more than a little bit absurd that anyone would
think negotiating anything with Hamas and not having Israel in
the loop as part of the process. And there's no
point in doing that. We cannot bind another country to
our agre. They're a sovereign nation. So we shall see.

(30:07):
Israel has laid as a condition of a two state solution,
which by the way, Israel has offered multiple times in
the past, is that Hamasma's completely disarmed. But I don't
believe it's going to happen. I just I don't believe
it's going to happen. Israel, I'm sure doesn't believe it's
going to happen. Now Israel is they have elections coming

(30:32):
up in October. Prime Minister Benjamin Nutt Nawhuo is facing
an extremely difficult re election battle. Opponents are accusing him
of ignoring the evidence that the October seventh attack was coming.
So it's a pretty heated election cycle in Israel as well.
So it may be that they have to accept this

(30:54):
now until the election is over, and then they'll make
a decision about what to do then. So Trump says
it would be carried out in carefully constructed phases. As
disarmament is complete, Israeli forces will withdraw and the International
Stabilization Force will work with a new Palestinian police force
to take responsibility for Gaza being safe for its residents

(31:16):
and its neighbors. Now here's the problem. Where do these
police force members come from? How much you want to
bet that it's going to be a bunch of dudes who,
like five minutes before, were AMA soldiers and terrorists. Where
are you gonna get these Palestinian policemen. So there's a
lot of steps in here, there's a lot of talk here.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
I just.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
I'll believe it when I see it, That's all I'm saying. Mandy, Starbucks,
Dutch Brothers or Ziggi's. I don't even think I've had
a ice coffee from Ziggi's. I have never been to
Dutch Brothers. What I don't buy coffee out?

Speaker 6 (31:56):
Like, here's the thing great about when you're driving to
the mountains, You're like, oh, I need a pick me
up before I.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
Have to say and I just go to whatever. I
try to find a local coffee shop then, and I'll
just go to a local Although I will tell you great,
you used to work in a coffee shop for many years.
More and more and more local coffee shops are not
carrying a dark roast, and I don't like a medium roast,
and god forbid, I put a light roast in my mouth?

Speaker 7 (32:17):
What is that?

Speaker 6 (32:18):
What?

Speaker 4 (32:19):
Did you just brew grass clippings? What even is light roast?
Why are we even doing that? Why is that a thing?

Speaker 5 (32:24):
I guarantee most coffee shops still have it dark one.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
I am locally owned coffee shops more often. I walk
in now and they're like, oh, we don't have it.
Like no, so I end up getting an Americana, which
I don't find dissatisfying.

Speaker 5 (32:36):
Any coffee shop worth its salt has an option of
all three.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
I agree, But I'm telling you, as a dark roast drinker,
it is getting more difficult to find a dark roast. Nonetheless, Yeah,
I'm just I'm super cheap about coffee. But I buy
Major Dickinson's blend Piete, you know, pizza coffee. I buy
the beans of costco I know exactly how much each
cup of coffee costs me in my little arrow press.

(33:01):
Have you ever seen the AeroPress coffee? Think I have
one of those because they only make one cup at
a time. Do you just it's like a little k
cup that you put No, it's it's actually kind of
a manual espresso machine. It is a plastic tube that
you put coffee and water in like a French press,
but then you put the top in so it holds
it in there. The pressure holds it in there, and

(33:22):
then you push it through after a minute. And it's
better than a French press because you don't get all
the silt at the bottom.

Speaker 5 (33:27):
Yeah, we we have an espresso machine and just like
a cure eg.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
Yeah, well I have a cure rig. But those those
coffee pods, I'm like, they're too expensive. Well that's why
I have the replaceable one. But I also think the
AeroPress makes a much better cup of coffee for a
single coffee. It takes longer, but it just makes a
better cup of coffee. But I know exactly how much
each cup of coffee costs because I went and worked
it out. I did the math. Great, and you're telling

(33:52):
me to go pay four Bucks for drink coffee at Starbucks. No,
thank you sir.

Speaker 6 (33:56):
No the the Starbucks or the Dutch Brothers, which is delicious,
but it's like just as much sugar as coffee. That's
like a treat. It's like when you when you're out
and about and you're like, let's let's get a pick
me up. I'll see seven dollars.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
Well, that's if I'm traveling and I'm at the airport
or something, then I will. But most of the time
I'm making my coffee at home or I'm making it here.
I also have a box of coffee pods in my
off at my desk right now here.

Speaker 5 (34:18):
That's good to know when I need to steal on well, right.

Speaker 4 (34:20):
Now it's le Vasa because that's what was on sale
last time. So there you go. Anyway, we're going to
take a quick time out. When we get back, we're
going to talk to Andrew Woodward of the Common Sense Institute.
You want to know why housing is so expensive, Let's
talk about Denver government.

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Speaker 4 (35:02):
Vocal, Welcome to the second hour of the show, the
last day of before I go on vacation on a
big Alaskan cruise with my family. I cannot wait. I
have to respond to two folks on the text line
before we get to our next guest. Hi, Mandy, I'm
at the car wash in Cheyenne and just pulled around
to wipe my truck down and had koa up in loud.
An older man drying an older forward super duty he

(35:22):
who has good hearing, said why do you listen to
that Denver crap? I don't like Denver radio. They're all clowns.
I said. She didn't care what we think of her.
She just said so, which is true.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
I do not.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
He's just missing out on great entertainment. And then there
was this one don't hold it in. How much does
each cup of coffee cost? My way? Thank you for asking?
My daily coffee costs sixteen and a half cents. That's
how cheap I am that I worked it out to
how much I get per my two pound bag of
coffee that I get a cost go sixteen and a

(35:54):
half cents, Thank you very much. You know, speaking of
the cost of things, the government hasn't figured out way
to drive up the cost of my daily cup of
coffee because I'm thrifty. However, they have found a way
to drive up the cost of building a house. And
joining me now a nerd from the Common Sense Institute
where all the nerds work, he's Andrew Woodward. And Andrew,

(36:16):
welcome to the show. First of all, this is your
first visit to the program.

Speaker 9 (36:20):
Thanks for having me, Mandy gat to be here.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
So what is your background? What is your area of
concentration at Common Sense?

Speaker 10 (36:29):
Yep, So I'm an economist here at the Common Sense Institute,
and we are a nonpartisan, data driven research institution covering
many state policy issues, so anything from the cost of
housing to crime to education.

Speaker 9 (36:44):
And you're right on the spot.

Speaker 10 (36:47):
This report is on the cost of housing and we've
got a few interesting findings for the state.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
One of the things I say a lot on the show,
and when Mayor Mike Johnston, especially when he stands up
and talks about how another government program going to make
everything affordable for everybody, and I always say, why don't
you look and see what kind of damage you the
government are inflicting on home builders, Like, let's fix the
part that government has made more expensive. So when I

(37:13):
saw your report, my reaction was, of course, it adds
forty thousand dollars to the cost of building a new home.
Break that down for me, Andrew, where did that number
come from?

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (37:26):
Absolutely, So the may not be surprising that the number
is large, but interesting to see how it stacks up
between other states. So in our study, we compared Denver
to twelve comparable states like Salt Lake City, Portland, Oregon,
just to see how the costs stack up. So breaking
those out, let's start with sales tax for example. So

(37:47):
Denver sales tax ranks quite high among comparable cities. Now,
Colorado's state sales tax is just two point nine percent,
which is actually quite low, but once you factor in
local rates, Denver is combined nine point fifteen percent results
in quite a high rate compared to our peers.

Speaker 9 (38:08):
So looking at that the cost of materials, the tax on.

Speaker 10 (38:15):
That is actually sixty percent higher than the national average.
So now if we're building a two thousand square foot house,
we can estimate that sales tax burden to be seven
thousand dollars. Compare that to other cities like Portland or
Bozeman where there is no state or local sales tax,
or even Cheyenne you just mentioned the Wyoming folks. Their
sales tax rate is just five percent, So a big

(38:37):
difference there. And then there's plenty of other fees to
discuss as well.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
It doesn't you don't necessarily think about sales tax when
you're buying a home, but that has to be taken
into consideration. So what are some of the other fees
or taxes that are on the process as well.

Speaker 9 (38:53):
Right, So there's a.

Speaker 10 (38:54):
Whole stack of fees, and this applies to building a
home in any city, but we found that Denver's fee
each of them, are notably higher than most of the
twelve peer cities in our analysis. So these fees include
everything from system development charges to connect to the water
and sewer mains, building permit fees, plan review fees, there's

(39:16):
trade permit fees. So think about electricians, plumbers, HVAC guys.
They're all paying a fee of several hundred dollars just
to be able to work on the house. So when
you stack all of these up, these fees plus our
estimated sales tax expense. Denver's already the most expensive among
the twelve peer cities in our analysis, and then there's

(39:37):
a few more things on top of that.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
Well, I want to talk a little bit about the
permit take process, because that's all that's a hidden tax,
and that is one of the reasons I was selling
Andrew off the air. I've talked to two different developers
who no longer build in Denver for two reasons. Number one,
the fees that Andrew was talking about, because these are
people building houses that should sell for four or five
hundred thousand dollars. These are maybe not starter home, they'd

(39:59):
be a they'd be a higher level home somewhere else,
maybe even starter homes here. But they said they can't
get to permitting that in six months, and there's carrying
costs that get carried by the builders that then get
passed on to the consumers. We can't ignore that, right.

Speaker 9 (40:17):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 10 (40:18):
So there's not only are there fees for these permits,
but once you count the time it takes of delays
on the city's time, there's costs of financing. So Denver's
average plan review time for major residential projects is two
hundred and nine days. Other cities wait times are significantly lower.

(40:40):
We looked at Salt Lake Cities was just forty five days.
So whether you're a developer or a family building your
own home, this extended wait time means your incurring costs
for months and months before you can actually move in.
So we estimate the gap between Denver and Salt Lake
City's timeline represents about nine thousand dollars an avoidable financing

(41:00):
come You.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
Also looked at some other fees, especially I want to
talk about the Denver's water system development fee because you
found it was ninety one percent above the national average.
What exactly are they doing with that exorbitant amount of money?

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Right?

Speaker 9 (41:17):
Yep.

Speaker 10 (41:17):
Water is definitely one that stands out in Colorado, and
a lot of that has to do with water scarcity
issues and the cost of buying water rights for some
of these suburbs around Denver especially, But the basic idea
is that when you build a new home, the main
water line down the street needs to be extended, and
who's going to pay for that cost? So that rests

(41:40):
heavily upon new home builders. And we also noted that
not only is Denver's fee very high, but surrounding suburbs
fees are actually two to three times higher than Denver's
water system development fee, and that's where we're seeing a
lot of the growth and new housing developments just for
the fact that there's more space than some of those suburbs.

Speaker 9 (41:59):
So huge expense for Colorado AND's building houses.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
I live in Douglas County where it feels like they
have just sprinkled housing seeds all over the place because
they're just sprouting up like mushrooms. How do the outer
suburbs like when you look at the overall cost? Did
you guys analyze the outer suburbs versus Denver? Just I
know you did other cities, But was there a Is
there a county where things are better and counties where

(42:25):
they are worse? I guess what I'm asking.

Speaker 9 (42:29):
Yep. Depends where you want to live.

Speaker 10 (42:30):
So if you look out in Lamar fees can be
as low as three thousand dollars, and if you want
to live in Arvada, water system development fees can be
as high as forty thousand dollars, So it varies quite
a bit. For those interested in going deeper, you can
look on our website. We have a map of probably
twenty to thirty cities in the state to show you
the wide range. But yeah, you're right, it varies quite

(42:52):
a bit depending on what suburb or what town you're
in in the state. Anywhere from three thousands of forty
six thousand dollars to connect to the line.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
Don't get me wrong, I do believe that new developments
need to have skin in the game when it comes
to the infrastructure that they need to make these new developments.
I'm not opposed to that because that does feel more
like a fee for service. But what I'd love to
see is the justification for this wild disparity in the
fees that these different cities and towns are charging. I mean,
I really think it probably has to do with who

(43:22):
could pass it with no one paying attention, right, like
new people are not going to be at the city
council meeting or wherever these decisions are made. Did you
guys have any sort of rhyme or reason where there
is there an explanation given or is it just in Oravada.
Here's your forty thousand dollars bill.

Speaker 9 (43:41):
YEP.

Speaker 10 (43:41):
For this study, we really were just collecting the facts
so we have the data for all these various cities.
We don't have the line items that the city uses
those funds for, but you can just see from the
variation that there's obviously different approaches city to city of
the size of fees that they're willing to ask for,
and then the use would be another question. Another good

(44:03):
perspective is just to compare this across other cities in
the West. So water fees in Denver are quite similar
to those in Cheyenne, but you look at cities like
Phoenix or Bozeman, Salt Lake City, Boise, our fees are
two to three times higher when it comes to water
system development fees.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
What is the impact been on our home building here
in Colorado versus or here in the Denver metro versus
those cities you just mentioned. Are we building as many
houses now?

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Right?

Speaker 9 (44:33):
So our benchmark is mostly on the fees.

Speaker 10 (44:36):
We do note that Denver permits for single family homes
have dropped significantly since twenty twenty one. I think we
have as well into the double digits, maybe a forty
percent decrease in permits for new single family homes since
twenty twenty one.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
How are other cities doing? Are they continuing to grow.

Speaker 9 (44:57):
And it varies quite a bit.

Speaker 10 (45:00):
I'd say, we know there's strong growth in cities like
Oklahoma City, Dallas, Omaha, and one thing all those cities
have in common is quite a bit lower fees.

Speaker 9 (45:09):
If you look at.

Speaker 10 (45:11):
We have a chart in our report that has this
the total stacked cost for each of these fees, and
those three cities I mentioned are definitely towards the cheaper end.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
Well, you've got a list on this study as well
the most unaffordable housing markets, and you have Colorado at
number twelve in the ut affordable ranking. How did that
have this ranking come about?

Speaker 9 (45:33):
Right?

Speaker 10 (45:34):
And that actually might be a relatively optimistic ranking. There's
a number of rankings that have come out recently. There's
one from CNBC that's been quoted in quite a few
articles lately.

Speaker 9 (45:44):
Colorado's towards the bottom, if.

Speaker 10 (45:46):
Not the worst for home affordability, whether you look at
the typical single family home price compared to media and
household income, or if you look in a bit more
detail and look at more variables, Colorado is ranking lower
and lower for the past five or ten years as
far as home affordability rankings.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
What about the affordability Let me think of how to
ask this. Actually a texture just texted it. They were
asking about water. Where's the future water coming from for
all this development? Is that part of the reason that
water fees are so high? Or do they have to
have assured supply? I mean our water stuff out here, Andrew,
I'm not gonna lie. I'm from Florida, where water falls

(46:26):
out of the sky every day. I've never dealt with
water issues until I moved here, and every time I
start to think I have a handle on it, this
new thing pops up, Like where are these developers getting
assured supply? Is that taken into account in any of
the data that you look through.

Speaker 10 (46:44):
So for our understanding from our research these water system
development fees, there is some overlap in what those funds
are used for. As far as a deep dive in water,
we haven't done that just yet. Obviously a very important
topic for the state, especially this summer with how low
some of the lakes and reservoirs are, so you can
expect some upcoming research on the water topics.

Speaker 9 (47:05):
But that's all I have to say. As far as
this study, did.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
You look at how much affordable the affordable housing fees
that have been created by Denver in the state of Colorado.
How much they directly add to the cost of someone
else's home.

Speaker 10 (47:19):
Yes, and thank you for bringing that up. So a
lot of these fees, as I mentioned, they exist in
other cities. We just happen to be a bit higher. Now,
this affordable housing linkage fee is something quite unique to Denver.
Across the twelve cities we looked at, Portland, Oregon was
the only other city with a comparable fee, and theirs
was actually five times lower than what we see in Denver.

(47:41):
So the Denver fee is eight dollars and eighteen cents
per square foot, and in our study we based it
off of a two thousand square foot new build home
that would total more than sixteen thousand dollars, which the
city collects to create and preserve affordable homes for low
to moderate income.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
Families while making everybody else pay more. I mean, let's
be real, we're basically subsidizing the people who are going
to be lucky enough to get into the program that
the government has decided. They're the lucky ones, they win
the prize, and the rest of us just get to
buy a ticket and never cash it. I mean, that's
me just dumbing things out. I do want to ask

(48:19):
you something about permitting fees. The graph that you have
in the Common Sense Institute's report that I'm talking with
with Andrew Woodward, the author of the report. You have
a graph of the show is building permit fees, plan
review fees, and trade permits. Why do some states not
have trade permits at all? Because in Denver they had
a sizable chunk onto the cost of all of these fees.

(48:41):
Why do Phoenix and Cheyenne not have those fees at all?

Speaker 9 (48:47):
Right, So these are all policy issues.

Speaker 10 (48:49):
It's up to policy makers whether or not we have
these fees, whether they grow, or whether.

Speaker 9 (48:55):
They cease to exist.

Speaker 10 (48:56):
So you a note in quite a few cities, you
mention a few of them, Omaha, Oklahoma City, Nashville, they're
missing a number of these fees. And you'll notice that
that's also correlated with some of the cities that have
continued to see growth in home building in contrast to
what Denver's experienced.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
And the cost is much much lower. I mean, we're
sitting around six thousand dollars just in permitting fees, plan
review fees, and trade permits, whereas Oklahoma City is sitting
around five hundred bucks. It looks like based on the graph,
these are all significant things that government could address. But
where's the argument, Andrew? I mean, maybe this is maybe
I'm asking the wrong person this question, but I don't

(49:39):
know what a plan review fee does. But I do
know that AI will do it better and faster than
the people probably in that office. So what point do
we start to see some of these flow expensive systems
start to get better. I mean, I guess we have
to have different people, I mean answering my own questions. Andrew,
you don't even need to be here for this part
of the interview. It's just it's frustrating when you see

(50:02):
it laid out like this, and you know that government
can do better, but they don't have any incentive to
do better because their answer is always another program for
affordable housing for the chowsen few, while increasing the costs
on everyone else. It becomes this sort of you know,
self fulfilling prophecy of housing gets more expensive because they

(50:22):
make it more expensive, but for a few, they're going
to make it cheaper. And it's a frustrating cycle. And
I wish there was more I could do to change
it right now, but I appreciate the incredibly hard work
that you did on this to sort of open everybody's
eyes on what that actually looks like in practice. Andrew Woodward,
I appreciate your time today and everything you do a
common sense.

Speaker 9 (50:42):
Great thank you, Mandy.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
All right, that is Andrew Woodward. You can read the
study in its entirety at my website. You can link
to it at mandyblog dot com. But there's nothing surprising
in this study. Nothing. I was not remotely surprised when
I saw this because government. What's frustrating is that the
people in charge, it's like they have no sense of responsibility.

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I've been going back and forth on x with Chris Vanderwen,
one of the reporters here, and he's been defending Fauci
and the media, and you know, I made a point
to him today, like the press dropped the ball on
the Fauci thing, because it is the press's responsibility to

(51:27):
remain skeptical and distrustful, and the media just took every
press release as gospel and regurgitated it and then shouted
down people who disagreed. And he made a comment like,
you know, hey, so some random person on the internet
said a bunch of lies too. I'm like the media
got a special mention in the Bill of freaking Rights.

(51:48):
Some rando on the internet didn't, so we have to
pay attention to this stuff. I'm not sure anything will
change in Edver until the city just has a full
complete collapse. I heard Steve Hilton today on Travis and
Buck when I was driving in that guy's running for
governor of California and listening to him talk about Los

(52:10):
Angeles right now, because Los Angeles is in a very
precarious position. If you did not know this, there are
a bunch of blue state Democrats who are suing to
prevent the merger between MGM and Paramount. Wait a minute,
is that Google that real quick grant and make sure
that it's MGM and Paramount. I think it is, But

(52:32):
now that I said it, it sounded wrong Once I
said so two movie studios I want to merge. There's
a lot, you know, I could argue that that's not
good for media, because I work for a company that
bought up a bunch of radio stations, and I don't
think that's been good for media. I just don't. I
don't think consolidating ownership is good for anything. Central planning

(52:53):
fails even when it's corporate central planning fails a lot
of the time for a very good reason. But nonetheless,
is it Paramount and MGM great's look at Paramount and
Warner Brothers. Oh sorry, Warner Brothers, thank you. I knew
it sounded wrong when I said it. So Paramount and
Warner Brothers want to merge, and these blue state democrats

(53:13):
are suing to stop two privately owned businesses publicly traded
from merging. And now Paramount is thinking about taking all
of its production what's left of its corporate offices, and
moving to Tennessee. And Steve Hilton is on UH with
Travis and Buck talking about the fact that if the

(53:35):
movie industry fully DeCamps from Los Angeles, because movies are
made all over the place, people are now offering incentives
all over the world to come film there, and you'd
be an idiot not too especially when California makes it
fifty fresh layers of hell to film there. And Steve
Hilton says, if the movie industry goes, we become Detroit

(53:56):
in Los Angeles, because when the car industry left Detroit,
it hollowed out that city so freaking fast, and it
still has not remotely recovered to where it was before
when the auto industry was strong in Detroit. And you
know who signed onto that lawsuit, Phil Wiser. Why in
the world would Phil Wiser in Colorado give a rat's

(54:20):
ass about a movie studio merger in Los Angeles. He doesn't.
He just wants to tell you Sue Trump again. It's
just so ugh, so so so pathetic, so incredibly pathetic.
All right, guys, it is Ask me anything, because I'm
on vacation tomorrow and for the next week, and I'm

(54:46):
a little bit checked out. I'm not gonna lie, Mandy.
What happened to the promise in Douglas County residents about
plentiful water by building the router Hesse Reservoir. I gotta
tell you, I'm pretty impressed with that reservoir. I go
walk around there a lot. I like that reservoir. And
we've just had what I think Douglas County has added.
Let's see, I believe a million people in the last

(55:08):
ten years. It feels like a million, it really does.
I moved to the country and all of a sudden,
the city found me like, wait a minute, this is
not what I signed up for. No way, not at all,
Mandy Denver and new Development gets her water by sucking
it out from under folks on the eastern plains. They
put in large underground water lines and ship it in.

(55:31):
Colorado's in trouble. If we even think we have enough
water to keep all these new houses going, this place
will be dry in twenty years. No, you know what,
I will say this, in twenty years, if you don't
zer escape your lawn and get those that grass out
and put rocks in, They're gonna come for you. We're
gonna look like Las Vegas. And I don't live in
Las Vegas because it's ugly, Mandy. What the deuce is

(55:52):
going on with Rick's band recording the theme song? I
starting when I get back You and I, Jason and
have everyone, we'll hear the new show intro. I picked
a new song. I have not heard the intro. I
gave it to aj, our incredible production director, and I said,
I love this song. I'm going to use it, but

(56:14):
I have no vision for the intro. You figure it out,
and he's apparently he's done it. He sent him to
me in my email, and I'm making myself not listen
to them, so we'll all hear them together. So it
just was a lot of hurting kittens. And you know, anyway,
May sixteen cents for coffee at buck thirty for CBD

(56:34):
and sleep make sense to me. Priorities exactly exactly. Okay,
I'm going to talk about what's happening in Spain right now.
This is very very important. So you may have seen
the images of the mass invasion that is happening on
Spain's southern border. Although we'll get to whether or not
Spain's Supreme Court thinks it has a southern border in

(56:57):
just a moment. But Spain decided to do amnesty for
five hundred thousand illegal immigrants. So what do you think happened?
Thousands and thousands of illegal immigrants crossed the Strait of
Gibraltar from Tangier in Morocco to get to Spain. Sixty

(57:23):
thousand people in the last twenty four hours. And let
me just say this, when you see the video of
who is coming ashore in Spain, it's not families with
little children. It is all men who appear to be
be between the ages of like sixteen and thirty, all
military age men. Now here's where it gets not so good,

(57:47):
and by not so good, I mean downright bad. They've
now had to call in the military because the people
that are coming from Morocco include a bunch of people
that the Moroccan god government just let out of prison.
Does all of this sound familiar. The first time I
heard of such a thing of people being let out

(58:09):
of prison to be let to invade another country was
when the cast Rows let a bunch of people out
of Cuban prison, and that began the Manuel boat lift
in the eighties. And that's if you've ever seen the
movie Scarface, that is about what happened when they let
all of these people out of prison and they all
came to Miami in a huge flood. So this is

(58:34):
a humanitarian disaster. It is a disaster in Spanish, I
mean in Spain. But the reality is Spain brought this
on itsself. So here are the theories across Europe right
now about why Spain is being invaded. The European far
right joined the White House and accusing Spain's Prime Minister

(58:54):
Pedro Sanchez, a socialist, of inspiring the crossings with his
migrant friendly policies. Wait a minute, are they talking about
Pedro Sanchez? Or are they talking about Joe Biden. Mister Sanchez,
on the other hand, is trying to deflect brain blame,
and so it's human trafficking networks. They misled migrants about

(59:14):
the ease with which they could remain on Spanish territory.
But the reality is is that Spain brought it on themselves.
They announced some time ago they were going to give
immunity or they were going to give status to five
hundred thousand illegal immigrants that were already in the country.
That created a flood of people. At the same time,

(59:35):
Spain's Supreme Court declared that the southern border doesn't exist.
If people come from the ocean and they come out
of the water, then they get to stay. They don't
get immediately deported. Now many of you may not know
that that is very similar to the wet foot drive
foot policy that was in place in the United States

(59:55):
for forever when it came to human immigrants. If Cuban
immigrants could get one foot on the ground, they could stay.
If you caught them in the ocean in a boat,
they had to go back. It's an insane policy. I mean,
and when I lived in Southwest Florida, Santabel island is

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only let me think for a second. So Santa Beel
Island is probably one hundred and thirty miles from Cuba.
So they would bring these Cuban immigrants over in these
go fast boats from Cuba and they would pull up
to Santa Bel Beach and they would just let all
of these people jump out of the boat and they
would run up onto the shore and then they would

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wait for immigration to show up, because then they could stay.
And Spain's Supreme Court said, heck, yeah, let's do it.
Let's do it, let's make it happen. Now Italy has
now stepped in. Italy has entered the Chat Georgia. Maloney
is like, uh, no, Spain, we're going to be reintroducing

(01:00:59):
border control because here's what happens most of the time
in Spain or in Europe. When you go from country
to country, there's no stop. You don't stop in between
the borders. It's not like in the olden times where
you see on movies where you're on a train and
then a guy gets on the train and let me
zee your ticket and your passport. It doesn't happen because
all of them have inner agreements and you can just
go freely in between the countries. Well, Georgia, Maloney's like,

(01:01:21):
not anymore. Nope, not gonna do it, because we don't
want all of your legal immigrants to storm into our country.
So she called it an extraordinary measure that would be
kept in force only for the time necessary, with particular
attention to limiting any impact on summer tourist flows. So everybody,

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everybody is freaking out. Ireland is the current president of
the European Council, which provides the European Union political leadership,
and a spokesperson for the Irish presidency said it's now
been confer that over thirty seven five hundred people have
already voluntarily returned to Morocco and that there is no
onward movement from Sweta to the European continent or other

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member states. Will not yet.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Come on.

Speaker 4 (01:02:13):
Oh no to the text said sixty thousand inmates. No,
not sixty thousand inmates. We don't know how many inmates.
I saw the number earlier, roughly two thousand, but there's
a light amount of prisoner and sending them across. Just
go across the strait at Gibraltar. It'll be fine. It'll
be fine. Having to see here it's all good. So

(01:02:35):
what they're finding though, is unlike in the United States
when people like Mayor Mike Johnson decided to take your
taxpayer dollars and use them to feed and clothe and
give free apartments to illegal immigrants. Let's just say Spain
is not rolling out the welcome wag. Many are being
pushed along by Spanish police officers and soldiers. Many have
not eaten in days days, so they're trying to stay,

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but they're not going to make it. By the way,
say Utah, which is the city in Spain that is
now being overrun, has a total of eighty three thousand
residents normally, and they have now gotten an additional fifty
to sixty thousand people in the last couple of days.

(01:03:23):
This is what happens when you tell people who live
in a miserable crap hole of a country that they're
going to have amnesty in a non craphole country. This
is what happens. It's exactly what happened here, only Spain
is not nearly as big and able to manage it.
I think there's strategy of just pulling up the welcome

(01:03:46):
mat and slamming the door is probably the best one, Mandy,
what do you think Jesus would do? I am not
arrogant to think I would know, I should know. I'm
just gonna, you know, have to guess. I don't like
it when people invoke what would Jesus do? And I
don't know if you're being serious or not. I'm gonna
take it as if you were. I've got to pick
on you. But I don't like them what would Jesus do?

(01:04:08):
When we're talking about a governmental response to a governmental situation,
Because the reality is very, very simple, you guys, do
you have any idea how many garbage countries there are
around the world, Just absolute dumps of humanity that are
full of corruption, where people have no opportunity, and they're
really good people that live in these garbage dump countries

(01:04:28):
and they want to come to the United States to
have the opportunity for a better life. But at what
point do we in the United States of America say,
you know, we've got to make sure that we can
handle it. We got to make sure that we are
able to absorb people in a reasonable fashion. That is
actually what legal immigration should be focused on. It should

(01:04:50):
be focused on accepting people into our country at a
rate that allows us to allow them to assimilate, to
become a part of the country, instead of creating, you know,
little carve outs in certain cities where they just brought
up their culture with them. Because when we are overrun
with people who don't share our value system, it is

(01:05:12):
very difficult to make sure that they adopt a value
system that is compatible with life in the United States
of America. You know, I welcome the best of the best.
I love talking to people that have come here from
somewhere else. This is one of the reasons why I
always talk to my uber drivers and my taxi drivers,
because I mean, nine out of ten times those are
going to be immigrants who are here and they are hustling.

(01:05:35):
They got like three other jobs. They're driving on the side.
But you talk to them about why they came to
the United States of America, and they're exactly the people
that I want here. They're like, I want to come
here and make something of myself and be somebody. I
want to take advantage of the American dream. They're not
here to take advantage of the American welfare state. I
want those people here. I want anybody who comes here

(01:05:57):
for freedom and the opportunity to be the best version
of themselves. Like that is the immigrant that I want here.
But if you're coming here to look for a free
apartment and a free cell phone, I don't want you
here because now you've become another one of my dependents
and I can't even tell you what to do, because
if I am paying your bills, I deserve to have

(01:06:20):
a say in your life. That's how it is when
you're a parent. As long as I'm putting the bill,
I get to say in your decision making.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
So it's just it's.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
It's sad that people live in such horrible places, with
such lack of opportunity, with such high levels of corruption,
that they feel the need, the desire, the drive to
leave their home behind, leave their families behind, to make
a long and illegal and dangerous trek to get to
a country that is better. But at what point does
the country that's better have to protect their betterness for

(01:06:54):
the people that already live there. If you bring in
a whole bunch of people who just want to take
advantag through the welfare system, or don't want to do
the right thing, or they want to commit crimes. Going
back to Scarface, we got a lot of Cubans who
came here with criminal records and a lot of criminal knowledge,
and they created one of the biggest narco states in
the world right in Miami in the nineteen eighties. So

(01:07:17):
we don't want those people here. And yet that is
an un in an unmeasured form of immigration, like these
invasions by people, you don't have time to sort the
wheat from the chaff and bringing the people that are
going to be productive members of society and make sure
the people that are here to prey on other people
don't get the chance to come here. I have a

(01:07:38):
great story on the blog today. They just did a
naturalization ceremony where they made three hundred people who came
to the United States, they granted them citizenship, and they
did it at Red Rocks. I love everything about that story.
You've got people who made the active choices. Many of

(01:08:01):
them probably spent thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars
because I don't know if you guys have seen what
it takes to get through the legal immigration process. That's
a topic for another day. But these are people who
chose to be here, not just people who were lucky
enough to be born here, like we were they put
the effort in. So it's frustrating that we can't take

(01:08:24):
care of everyone in the world who lives in a
garbage country, really is. It's sad, But there's also part
of me that at this stage in the game, it's like,
when are you going to clean up your own garbage
company country? When are you gonna look around in the
world and see examples all over the place where things work,

(01:08:44):
free markets work, holding people accountable for corruption works. Well,
you can't talk about the United States with that anymore.
That's you know, that ship sailed a long time ago.
It doesn't ask me anything. But when we get back,
we're going to talk about naked dressing. You heard me right.
It's a thing. It's a fashion choice, and it's a
bad one in many situations. I'll be right back.

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Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
Into the third hour of the show, last hour before
Baked Case Sean, I'm Mandy Connell. That guy's Grant Smith
in for Anthony Rodriguez, who is out covering training camp.
I'm just gonna say it. KOA has a covered wall
to wall and uh, I don't get to go because
while my show is happening, it's quiet time, and there's
actually enforced quiet time during training camp and it's right

(01:09:58):
when my show happens. But tomorrow morning at nine, are
you going to be here for that? Grant, are you
running the show for that? Tomorrow's AAZAC thankfully, I will
be not here all right. But in the morning, Ben Albright,
Ryan Edwards, Nick Ferguson are going to be here. They're
going to be broadcasting from training camp tomorrow with the
Broncos Country Tonight Training Camp show. So tune in on
KOA to hear that. And we're kind of having an

(01:10:20):
ask Me anything, Lucy Goosey kind of show. But guys,
I have a video on the blog I just want
to make sure that you go watch, and it is
an interview on a podcast called Free State Colorado with
a Colorado woman who's spent twenty years trying to become
a man. She has now de transitioned an o MG.
I learned so much from listening to this podcast that

(01:10:44):
I had no idea about, and I feel like I'm
pretty well informed. But she talked about the damage done
to her body and the kind of decisions that we're
making young people, or letting young people make with life
long consequences that have to do with sexual function, your
ability to have sexual satisfaction. I mean, it is just
it's super scary. But that is on the blog today.

(01:11:05):
You should check it out. I do want to talk
about this new i'm gonna call it style called naked dressing. Now, Grant,
I know you and Olivia have been pregnant, so you're
probably not going out on the town as much as
you have previously. Have you seen any of this naked
dressing happening out and about, because I'm gonna tell you,

(01:11:26):
I don't know what that means. Like, okay, clothes like
women going out with a sheer top and just a
bra underneath, or a lace skirt with like granny panties
on underneath, but still naked.

Speaker 6 (01:11:37):
Other than that, that kind of dressing, yeah, that in
the club, right, oh yes, and all the times I'm in.

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
The club, well, I mean just going out in stuff,
that's sure. And that's one place because when I was
young I wore shirts you could see through. I wore
a croucheted top all the time, but I had a bra.
And I'm not going with the hell that I'm not crazy.
I'm not a maniac. But now listen to this. This
is from the Wall Street Journal. By the way, this
is an esteemed publication. When Jennifer Epstein wore a sheer

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lace skirt that showed off her underwear to dinner with
her husband, his response, after he regained his ability to speak,
was where's the rest of your outfit? Epstein is a
pharmacist in Fort Washington, Pennsylvania, said she wasn't looking for
his approval. It feels empowering, the forty three year old said,
it's a modern kind of feminism that embraces self assurance

(01:12:28):
and femininity on your own terms. Guys and gals, this
is another win by the patriarchy, yet another win by
the unseen hand of the deep male gaze. Because you
know who loves women walking around with their underwear hanging out?

Speaker 6 (01:12:46):
Dudes?

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
Dudes. I was gonna say, I have zero problem with us. Well,
this is the one that got me. This is the
one that got me. When Christian Espinoza walked into a
dinner during a cyber security conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. He
did a double take. Seated near him was a woman
in a brawleett and a sheer black skirt. He said,

(01:13:09):
I'm not so many rattles easily, but I remember thinking
I have no idea where to look right now, here's
the kicker. She turned out to be the keynote speaker.
And this is where it gets really dicey, because if
you're going to the club and you are trying to
attract male attention or female attention, if that's your thing,

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nothing wrong with that at all, and you want to
show your naughty bits, you want to go to a
concert wearing a sheer shirt with a bra, more power
to you. But do not kid yourself that this is
some kind of bold form of feminism. This is another
way to get men to look at you, even if
you are a lesbian, because men really don't care if

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you're a lesbian. If you have great boobs, then they
can see them through your sheer shirt. They don't care,
They really don't. And men back me up. Five, six, six,
nine of these are just back in the day we
used to call that dressing. Sluntie. Yes, yes, indeedy yes, Mandy.

(01:14:11):
Other than being quiet, what do the Broncos do during
quiet time at training camp? I don't know, because they
make everybody leave. They can all pull out little mats
on the field and take a little nappy nap.

Speaker 8 (01:14:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:14:23):
Yeah, I think that's when they do their meeting exercise. Well,
I know that they do like team meetings from that
morning's practice or something. I don't know, but they didn't
tell me, Mandy. Marco Ruby has just got entry to
the US from Spain due to the Migroan crisis. There
you go, Mandy. Where does your crews depart from? It
departs from Vancouver, Canada. You ever been to Vancouver, Grant.

(01:14:44):
I had a layover in Vancouver. Great city, one of
my favorite cities in Canada.

Speaker 6 (01:14:50):
And I love some of the cities in Canada. I
really do want to go because I want to go
skiing up there at any point. In Whistler yep.

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
Okay, So here's a little thing about Whistler from a
non skier who skiing and Whistler and try to learn
how to snowboard. Grant. All their mountains are like this,
all of them.

Speaker 5 (01:15:06):
Well, Luckily I'm a pretty good skiing.

Speaker 6 (01:15:07):
Well, they're straight up and down. It's like it was terrifying.
I hate it's just straight down.

Speaker 4 (01:15:16):
I need I need a meandering sort of you know,
I need a meander.

Speaker 5 (01:15:20):
What's that trail at Keystone that's like two miles long.

Speaker 4 (01:15:23):
Like the one in winter Park. That's the green where
there's like three parts where unless the snow is perfect,
you totally have to like cross entry to get through
it because it's so flat. That's where I live, Grant,
That's where I live. Flatter the better, Mandy. You should
hear my gay men friends lust all over the shirtless
straight men goes both ways exactly, Mandy, Hoo's gonna hoe.

(01:15:46):
Here's the thing though, Now you have a professional woman
who's giving a keynote speech, who's appearing at a cyber
security conference. Now I just want to I want to
paint a picture of the men at this conference. It
is a cyber security conference. I bet you some of
those men have never seen a naked woman.

Speaker 6 (01:16:05):
No, not all.

Speaker 4 (01:16:05):
There are some hot cybersecurity guys there are, But I'm
just saying stereotypically. That stereotype exists for a reason, Mandy,
I look at boobs every opportunity, and I'm old. My
husband could be one hundred years old, and if there's
a woman with great boobs, he is going to look
at her. And at one hundred he just won't care.
He'll be like, hey, I'm looking at your boobs. Nice job,

(01:16:28):
because he barely cares enough now to not do that.
My grandma used to love to tell us story.

Speaker 6 (01:16:36):
When my grandpa, my dad's dad will go up onto
OU's campus or whatever event he was going to.

Speaker 5 (01:16:45):
He wrecked his car twice looking.

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
College girl. Wow, that's fantastic. Oh by the way, yes,
quiet time is when the Broncos have orange slices and
caprice sons. You are correct, text her you found you've
cracked the Brian Edwards hands them out. Oh yeah, exactly.

Speaker 9 (01:17:03):
Yah.

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
It is plaid when it's ninety degrees. So, Mandy, I've
been married to my wonderful wife for over fifty years,
but if a woman walked into a restaurant or a
place of business looking like that, I know where my
eyes would go. One of the reasons I know I'm
married to the right person is because we have the
following relationship. Chuck and I were at dinner one night
we've gone up into the mountains. We were a nice restaurant,
but it was mud season, so we were like the

(01:17:23):
only people in the restaurant. And here comes the beautiful
young nineteen year old hostess with the girls prominently on display,
and she went to wipe down the table directly next
to us. My husband looks over. I look at my husband.
He looks back at me and just looks at me
and goes, they were right there. I couldn't argue, just

(01:17:50):
couldn't argue, Grant. Whistler is great if it's cold enough
at the bottom to not be a lake and there's
no fog. There you go, Mandy. I'm a man who
loves look at the women in their bodies, but it's
almost more fun to watch the guys at the gym
ogel and turn their heads to look at girls. Notes
to those guys, you can actually look at things without
turning your head. Mandy, would you flit pretty? Please? Ask

(01:18:17):
one of the KOA sports people what the Broncos do
during quiet time? A rod or excuse me, can we
get aern on the phone to ask him Grant because
he's out there. Give him a call. We'll take a break,
We'll get a ron on the phone. We'll get to
the bottom of this quiet time business. Every time my
wife and I go out, she says, what would you
like me to wear? I always say something slutty. She's
fifty six and hot, but it's always a good joke.

(01:18:39):
I'm gonna I'm in so I'm the same age as
your wife, a little bit older. I'm just turned fifty
seven and I was telling somebody the other day and guys,
you probably don't understand this because men men's fashion doesn't
change all that much. But I'm in this weird space
right now where I'm not ready for like old lady clothes.
But I go to the store and I I don't

(01:19:00):
want to look like I'm trying to dress like my daughter.
So I'm just kind of wearing the same clothes I've
always worn as a gen xer, and I don't know
being old weird, Mandy, what do you What do they
mean with the Republican Party becoming a minority party? What
happens when let me see how much of the vote

(01:19:22):
will make a party the minority party. I'm gonna make
sure I have this right. I'm gonna make sure I
have the numbers, right, I'm aware of what you're talking about.
I just want to make sure that I have the
exact data. So if a party receives less than oh no,
no talking about no, I don't have the exact numbers.

(01:19:48):
I think it's like if they get less if they
get less than ten percent, that's the problem. Okay, we're
gonna check out with a Rod right now, because someone
asked what do the Broncos do during quiet time at
the training camp? And a Rod is at training camp
so much that he probably has his finger on the
pulse of what this is. So, Anthony, have you actually

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been able to see what happens during quiet time? Because
we have listeners that speculate this is when they give
out orange slices and caprice sons. I said, maybe this
is when they bring out their little their little pads
and they lay on the ground and take a little nap.
But do you have any idea what they do during
quiet time?

Speaker 8 (01:20:26):
Well, first of all, hello, and secondly, I got to
follow that beginning of that segment. There quite quite the segue.
But you're you're partially right some of that in there,
you are correct. So they typically take quite a bit
of time to head off the field. They do indeed
sit down with their pad. They've got their kind of
their their friends and family that they've brought out for

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camp to kind of hang out with them.

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
A good contingent of.

Speaker 8 (01:20:51):
Them goes and signs autographs and hangs out with some
fans kind of on the entry line there where the
where the barricade is for the where the spans are
sitting this year. And then they will slowly but surely
as they will trickle back into the now new facility
and start to get treatments and and and all that
and get and get ready for that next day, probably

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start reviewing some some tape.

Speaker 4 (01:21:14):
So it's kind of a little bit of all of
the above, probably not much, not too much of quiet time.

Speaker 8 (01:21:20):
Necessarily, still a lot of work that they get done,
but it's just all off the practice field, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:21:24):
So there could be what what I heard was, there
could be orange slices and Caprice signs while they're on
the field talking, So that could happen. In serie, they
have to be approved, approved by the training staff. They
always have the certain certain snacks out. I will say
in years past they would get those those kind of
snacks on the way out of the facility for practice,

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they would have that they would have the snacks and
the drinks and all the all the gatorays and will
not laid out before. I don't know if they do
with post practice as well, but I assume the recovery
is probably just as important as the as the the
pre practice sustenance, So I would I would think so.
So you and I haven't had a chance to shot
since you have been taking a little tour of the
new training facility. Tell me a little bit about that.

Speaker 8 (01:22:09):
Well, first and foremost, I'll tell you right from the
horse's mouth. Mister Greg Penner, owner and CEO, stopped by
for a few minutes real fast before we came back
on air earlier later on the Roster Show, and he
was essentially saying that this he's they're proud of this thing.
First of all, it's immaculate. When Key and I walked
up at four in the morning, Uh, the amount of

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lights that were on in this In this it looked
like a college campus. It looked like a like a snazzy,
fancy hotel. And as the day progressed and as the
sun started to kiss it, as as as the sun Rose.

Speaker 4 (01:22:41):
It is just immaculate.

Speaker 8 (01:22:42):
I mean I compared it when I used to work
at the ESPN headquarters in Bristol, Connecticut.

Speaker 4 (01:22:46):
It is, it is in line with something like that.

Speaker 8 (01:22:49):
Like you know, we all know the story now by
now one hundred and seventy five million, completely privately funded
by the Walton Penners, and and it's just it's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
It is.

Speaker 4 (01:22:58):
It is something to behold.

Speaker 8 (01:23:00):
The Broncos have put out some behind the scene and
stuff we've obviously been able to see. I mean, you
can see pretty far into it because there's so much
class windows.

Speaker 7 (01:23:06):
You can see a lot of the open offices and.

Speaker 8 (01:23:08):
Kind of the gym and the training and like the
hangout area for the players. You can see so much
of it. Is it is, it's special, and the players
have been gussing about it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:17):
Well that's only going to help us in the future.
And I know that you guys are going to be
out there all weekend. Tomorrow morning at nine am, you
can listen to the Broncos Country Tonight Training Camp show
with Ben and Ryan and Nick, So tune in then.
Ay Rod, We'll see you when I get back from vacation.
My friend and iunds good. Enjoy it all right. We
are going to take a quick time out. When we
get back, we're going to talk a little bit about

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Colorado wine. With the og Colorado wine that I'm aware of,
the good ones. That would be the guy Kevin Weber
from Carboy Winery coming up next. Carboy Winery. One of
the reasons I like talking to you guys is because
I think you and correct me if I'm wrong. I
feel like you were the first Colorado winery who sort
of figured it out. You figured out how to make

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great wine in this climate with grapes that grow here,
and you created a tasting experience, a tasting room experience
complete with a meat aquarium where you make like dried
meat in there. But so you're in a way to me,
you represent kind of the og of the Colorado wine
scene that is now massive and there's so many great

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wineries in Colorado, and when I moved here in twenty thirteen,
I could not say that.

Speaker 9 (01:24:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:24:26):
I mean, I think Colorado wine is having a moment.
I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:24:29):
I don't want to give ourselves too much of a
bat on the back thinking that we're the ogs, but
of this kind of new renaissance of Colorado wine or
new Pioneers. You know, we just had a goal that
when we started that we wanted to, you know, take
this industry and prove that we could put our wines
on a world stage.

Speaker 5 (01:24:45):
And we just wanted to have fun while we were
doing it.

Speaker 6 (01:24:48):
And it's kind of taken an organic route where it
has where we've grown as big as we've been.

Speaker 4 (01:24:52):
Well, I might to come to the tasting room because
the one in Littleton, right next to Breckinridge Brewery is
just spectacular, and I think you demonstrated that you can
make the entire wine thing and experience in Colorado the
same way it's been in Napa for a long time.
I mean, you go to California and there are tons
of venues like the ones that you guys have, but
we didn't really have that here. So now you're expanding

(01:25:13):
even more. Tell me about the new tasting room in
Colorado Springs. Yeah, so we just opened Colorado Springs.

Speaker 6 (01:25:20):
It's our fifth tasting room location for Carboy, and we
opened it alongside our sister restaurant, Angelo's Taverna, which is
a copycat of the fifty year old staple that we
took over in twenty thirteen and Capitol Hill, and you know,
we just wanted to keep spreading the gospel of what
we're doing where we're merging you know, great food and
experience with wine and really just getting Colorado wine.

Speaker 4 (01:25:44):
It's it's due, you know. So that's we're excited to
be down there.

Speaker 6 (01:25:47):
It's a great community and we've been looking forward to
being down there for a couple of years now.

Speaker 4 (01:25:52):
So well, and I said earlier that you could overlook
Garden of Gods, that's not it, but you can see
pipes speak, So we're I mean, what is the view.
You got a patio, you got garage doors, people can
have that indoor outdoor experience. What are people going to
see when they're sitting in the tasting room.

Speaker 6 (01:26:05):
So it's a double decker concept right off of I
twenty five in Woodman. So it's an old, an old
Chicago that was basically Okay that we took over and
we put the Angelos to over in a restaurant on
the on the base level and uh put the tasting
room up up above on the rooftop. So we've got
this big garage door that opens up that looks right
at Pike's Peak. It's uh, it's a beautiful tasting room.

(01:26:26):
You know, every time we open up a new taste
room like, oh, this is my favorite taste room, but
this one, this one really does have that really nice
tasting room feel. It's got some of the components of
you know, aesthetics from the other taste rooms that we
have around the state. But it's a it's a great spot.

Speaker 4 (01:26:41):
So let's talk a little bit about some of the
stuff that's happening with your wine. And you're just you
guys got a new certification for the way that you're
making wine. And I know that in wine making that
is becoming a bigger deal. People want to know what's
in their wine bottle, right, they want to know that everything,
how everything was made, how is that? What is that process? Like,
what did you just achieve?

Speaker 6 (01:27:02):
Well, what we just achieved was a silver metal recognition
from Colorado Green Business Network, And it has more to
do with just the incremental steps that we're committing to
in our industry because making wine making spirits, you know,
it's not the cleanest product.

Speaker 5 (01:27:17):
You know, you use a lot of wine, there's a
lot of resources.

Speaker 6 (01:27:20):
You know, forty percent of the pat of the product
comes in the form of packaging and that's something that
we've excelled in since day one, where you know, about
half of the twenty eight thousand cases equivalent that we
make every year goes into stainless recyclable format, you know,
for it's stainless steel kegs, and so that's something that's
always been, you know, something we've done. But every year

(01:27:40):
were trying to level up. You know, we're putting solar
out in our vineyard in Palisade. We're you know, we
put a gray water system in when we open up
that location as well, and so every year we're just
looking at, hey, what more can we do to take
more incremental steps and being making a more sustainable product
and being more sustainable business.

Speaker 4 (01:27:58):
Are you using graywater the vines? Yes, okay, because in
Florida people don't know this. It's been in Florida where
it rains every day and we don't have the water
problems we have here. They take the gray water, which
has been treated a little bit. It's not toxic, it
doesn't have poop in it, it's been treated the first round.
It's just not appropriate for drinking. And that's what you
use for irrigation on your lawn. So to hear that

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that's one of the things when I moved out here,
I was like, wait, what we don't do that? Seems
like it would make even more sense out here because
you're not wasting water that would otherwise be good for
drinking just with irrigation. Does that make a difference. Does
any of this make a difference in the quality of
the wine that you guys are producing.

Speaker 6 (01:28:35):
I don't think the water necessarily does. I mean to
understand grape growing. You know, there's grapes. They only want
a certain amount of water anyway, So getting a ton
of rain isn't great, especially this time of year as
the grapes are starting to get ready for harvest. So
it's not something where the type of water you're using
is going to influence it as much as the soil

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where the grape vines are planted.

Speaker 4 (01:28:58):
So when you talk about the rain that we're having
now and the big drought, how is the drought? How
is this? How are your grapes doing?

Speaker 6 (01:29:05):
The grapes are actually doing pretty fantastic. I was more
concerned about the fires, you know, especially the ones in
Utah's that were coming there. But we get You know,
we got lucky that when the smoke came through the
valley it did so at a time when the grapes
are at a point where they're not is susceptible to
getting things like smoke taint earlier on in it is

(01:29:26):
a thing. Yeah, yes, right now, we've got a lot
of grapes that are starting what's called vasion, where the
grapes that are all start off green they start to
turn you know, their their respective colors, and so the
drape skins they start to get a little thinner. This
is the point in time where if we had wildfires
and a lot of smoke in the valley where we
would be really concerned. You'll probably be turning on fans

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if you're a vineyard owner that has fans, to try
to keep that smoke off of them.

Speaker 4 (01:29:51):
But that would be my biggest concern out there.

Speaker 6 (01:29:55):
You know, we're fortunate enough that we haven't been as
impacted by the drought as much as you maybe here
on the front range.

Speaker 4 (01:30:02):
Well, I'm actually fascinated by the smoke tant So we're
gonna ask one more follow up, So could you not
make a wine? What does it do to the wine?
Or can you even use it at that point. Oh yeah,
you could definitely use that.

Speaker 6 (01:30:13):
I mean, smoke is no smoke tints is nothing new
to wine makers all over the West.

Speaker 5 (01:30:18):
So California.

Speaker 6 (01:30:19):
California has had well documented fires over the last you know,
five to ten years. Same thing with Oregon and Washington.
You know, when you get smoke taint in a wine,
it can come off as kind of a smoky flavor.
That's what they call it smoke tank. And there's things
that winemakers can do to minimize that impact. Once the
wine is made and gets into the bottle. You know,
it's very much a chemistry assignment.

Speaker 4 (01:30:42):
I went to a wine tasting in Indiana. I don't
know if you know about the wine people in Indiana,
but the guy who owned this particular winery was a
chemist who loved wine bottle winery. So his wine tasting
was unlike anything I've ever been to in my entire life.
And I found out at that wine tasting. But there's
all kinds of random things that on the face of

(01:31:02):
it would seem terrible, like certain rots, certain you know, funguses,
things that happen, but they can actually create a really
spectacular wine. You just can't control them. I was wondering, like,
as anybody ever made a smoke taint wine that everybody's like,
this is amazing or is it one of those things
where you.

Speaker 6 (01:31:18):
Just kind of hope for the best. Absolutely, I mean
there are some people that probably really like it. You know,
the wine community and the Somalia community out there. You know,
they they'll probably judge those wines a little more stringently.
You know, they'll want wines that don't have those kind
of flaws. But look, at the end of the day,
a consumer is the one that gets to decide whether

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they like it or not. And I've met and I've
actually had a couple of wines that had smoked tan
on them, and I didn't find them displeasing at all.

Speaker 5 (01:31:43):
And I think there's different levels of it as well,
So it's.

Speaker 4 (01:31:46):
It's like the most non committal, not quite a compliment.
I didn't find them displeasing. I'm going to use that
now with my husband when he says, is this okay?
I did not find it displeasing. So the wine industry
and Kevin and I were talking about this off the air.
The wine industry overall has seen a big dip over
the last few years. Younger generations have not started drinking wine,

(01:32:11):
but some of them have. But you've noticed, like specifically,
they're not necessarily going to do what I did when
I was twenty one years old, which is go buy
a bottle of Sutter Home. But they're also not kind
of sucked into the hype about really expensive wine.

Speaker 7 (01:32:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:32:27):
I mean there's two things happening right now.

Speaker 6 (01:32:30):
There is simultaneously actually there is this pro wellness movement
which is a big cultural shift, right, and that is
the younger generations, you know, younger millennials, gen Z, like
they're at the forefront of that. And then at the
same time, we have a big changing of the guard
from which consumers in charge for the wine industry, which
has been the boomers in the past, you know, and

(01:32:51):
the value proposition to younger wine drinkers is just different.
It's not that they don't want to drink wine's and
they actually do. We actually do understand it. It's just
they are not going to be fed something that they're
not going to buy into.

Speaker 8 (01:33:05):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:33:06):
So is there and I asked, I use the phrase,
I'm like, are they getting craft beard? These big corporations
that sell a ton of wine they're not necessarily going
to be the first choice for these younger wine drinkers.
Are they getting craft beard? Are they getting out done
with wines with a lower price point but by smaller
vineyards because there's a little bit of a you know,

(01:33:27):
a little bit of it's a small vineyard, you can
only get it on the western slope kind of thing.
There's a little bit of snobbery there, but it's also
affordable snobbery.

Speaker 6 (01:33:35):
When I was twenty one, or even when I was
twenty four, when I first really got into wine, if
my barrier of entry was an eighty five dollars tasting
just for six one ounce pores, I probably wouldn't have
gone there. So I think that's one of the big
missteps that's still happening in legacy regions in this country
like Napa and Sonoma.

Speaker 5 (01:33:54):
You know, what we try to do is we've we
make really good wine.

Speaker 6 (01:33:58):
We're very proud of the wine that we make, but
we make approachable and the way that we serve it
to people makes it genuine. It makes it authentic. You know,
we have a story to tell with it, and we're
serving it to them in a way that makes sense.
You know, we're bringing it to them instead of saying, hey,
you have to come to us. And I think that's
a big difference between how the way they used to
do things and how the way we.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
Do them now.

Speaker 4 (01:34:18):
So there are big fires in France right now, and
they are in the wine producing regions. Are you guys
already looking at that saying okay, are we going to
have a complete lack of French wine competition or do
you even think about it in those terms? Are you
competing with California wines? Are you competing with old world wines?
How do you position yourself mentally for that? You know,

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right now, we just want to own our backyard.

Speaker 6 (01:34:42):
You know, we're firmly getting people in this state to
know that we make really good wine here that can
stand up on national stages and international stages. And now
we're at Corboy, we're starting to branch outside of Colorado
and start to make a name for ourselves and a
value proposition for Hey, you know, this is high altitude,
high elevation, you know, desert wine, and it's got a

(01:35:04):
fun story to tell. So you know, France isn't really
our competitor, and neither is Napa Valley. But what is
in competition is you know, when the consumer goes out
and it goes to a restaurant, Hey, what are they
going to choose to drink? All right, we get a
Colorado wine on the menu and people say, oh my gosh,
this is really great, you know, And we're starting to
see that more and more now and that's really exciting
for me. And it's exciting to see some of our

(01:35:27):
brethren in the industry that are having that sharing in
that moment as well.

Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
So would you talk to other wine makers because I
get the impression, and I could be wrong about this
as well. I get the impression that Colorado's wine industry
is very insulated in that you guys all know each other.
Kind of feels that way. It's a very small industry,
and we do know each other.

Speaker 6 (01:35:46):
And honestly, this whole industry to California to Washington, Oregon
is very small. I mean, it's amazing the amount of
people that you come across that have, you know, two
or three degrees of separation all over the place.

Speaker 4 (01:35:57):
So it's in Colorado it's even smaller.

Speaker 6 (01:35:59):
But you know, I would like to think that everybody's
in this together, and you know, we have one hundred
and fifty wineries in this state, and you probably we
probably only interact with twenty ors, so.

Speaker 4 (01:36:11):
I would probably recognize twenty Yeah, maybe twenty five wine
makers here in Colorado. I didn't realize there was that many.
But do you count and I'm not knocking this, but
these sort of storefront where they're getting grapes from California
and blending their own wines, do you count those as
a winery? You counting you know, people who are I
guess you'd have to producing grapes. I mean, how do
you define?

Speaker 5 (01:36:31):
I mean, the winery is just the business, right you know,
it's where you know.

Speaker 6 (01:36:34):
So if you're a brewery, you make beer. If you're
a winery, you make wines. So it's it's where they
get the grapes from. I think that's for the consumer
to be able to look at and say, hey, you know,
is this one you know?

Speaker 5 (01:36:45):
Tell me more about this wine? Are these grapes grown here?

Speaker 6 (01:36:47):
And I mean I think those things do matter, and
they think they matter more in wine than they do
in beer and spirits.

Speaker 4 (01:36:52):
Certainly, Yeah, nobody asked where do you get your hops from?
I noticed that years ago, And there is a level
of snobbery there. It's like where do you get your grapes?
It's like, really could you even tell?

Speaker 3 (01:37:03):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:37:04):
So, and we have to import some grapes, don't we
We don't have enough?

Speaker 6 (01:37:08):
Yeah, I mean, we have about eight hundred acres planted
across the state, and so there's a lot considering that,
there's a lot of wineries that are not utilizing all
those grapes. But look, when we started, you know, our
first Colorado harvest in twenty seventeen and then twenty eighteen,
there were there was a time, you know, probably twenty
nineteen twenty twenty, what we couldn't buy enough grapes, which

(01:37:28):
led to us purchasing our own vineyards because we couldn't
get enough. And now we show them probably have there's
probably plenty of grapes that we could buy out there.
But you know, we also outgrew our ability to produce
grapes in Colorado on our own, so we ended up
planting in Washington State like five or six years ago
as well. And that wine really just kind of supplements
our programs with the restaurants. But you know, the Colorado

(01:37:50):
wines that we make are that's our lead foot so.

Speaker 4 (01:37:54):
Are you guys still experimenting? And last time I talked
to you, we were talking about experimenting with different grapes,
more native grapes, things that. How is that experimentation panning out?

Speaker 6 (01:38:03):
Oh it's great. I mean it's every year we're like, okay,
this is it's literally what more?

Speaker 4 (01:38:08):
What new can we do?

Speaker 6 (01:38:09):
So you know, last year we introduced I think the
last time I was on the show, we introduced our coseco,
which is Colorado prosecco. And now this year we're like,
you know, we should follow that up and do a lambrusco.
You know, doc, Oh my god, that's my mom. Just
have some fun that look straight out in nineteen seventies.
You just hit me with a lambrusco. Would you like
the Lambrusco? But I still love the Native viz. That

(01:38:33):
is the one that is my absolute favorite, and it's
just so perfect for summer. Kevin, what is the next
big thing out of Carboy? I feel like every time
I talk to you, there's just more and more and more. Obviously,
the tasting room in Colorado Springs is a big deal.

Speaker 4 (01:38:47):
What's next?

Speaker 6 (01:38:48):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:38:49):
Right now the name of the game for us is
just increasing quality. You know, we were we were very fortunate.

Speaker 6 (01:38:55):
We just had twelve wines place really amazing scores and
wine enthusiasts and jay suckling, and that's only going to
help further Colorado Wine and a lot of people to hey.

Speaker 4 (01:39:04):
Take a serious look at this region, and then you know,
we'll probably get a little antsy in the pants.

Speaker 5 (01:39:10):
And start looking for another location, and that may be
out of state.

Speaker 4 (01:39:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:39:14):
I might tease that a little bit. Give me out
of state, so look at you.

Speaker 4 (01:39:17):
I don't know, maybe, IDK, maybe I'll take it back later.
I don't know. Kevin Weber with Carbo Winery. I love
what's happened in Colorado wine because when I first got here,
I got given bottles of Colorado wine. And I'm not
going to mention any wine makers, but I never bought
a bottle of Colorado wine after that. It was not good.
And what's happened since then, in the last thirteen years

(01:39:37):
that I've been here, has just been remarkable. You guys
and all of the other vendors that are just doing
amazing wines. I just think it's a great story.

Speaker 6 (01:39:44):
Oh, I appreciate that. And if we need more people
spread in that kind of gospel.

Speaker 4 (01:39:48):
So well, this texture just said, Mandy. We just did
the wine tour. We did the wine trolley tour and
Carboy was on there and we had an amazing time
and really great wine and ended up buying six bottles.
They're awesome. There you go, Kevin. I appreciate you making
the trip.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:40:01):
We'll see you again. Hey, thank you. Do you want
to play of the day? Are you ready?

Speaker 3 (01:40:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:40:05):
Never skipped it. All right. We've got Connor Shreeve in,
We've got Kevin Weber from Carboy Winery, and they're both
gonna lose to me because now it's time for the
most insidic sayment segment on the radio of its kind.
And now you yell you grant me?

Speaker 5 (01:40:22):
Yeah, what about one of our two guests, Connor yell in.

Speaker 4 (01:40:25):
The world, in the world. Ah, not bad of the day?
All right, it works like this. First we get the
dad joke of the day. All you have to do
is laugh for grown. It does nothing else required. Yes,
grand dad joke of the day. I had to kick
Cinderella off the softball team. Oh gosh, she kept running
away from the ball. Wow, let's just pretend that never happened.

(01:40:47):
What's the word of the day, please, scrant Let's just
move on. Word of the day. Come lely co m
e l y comely. Doesn't that mean kind of like
a little bit homely like?

Speaker 7 (01:41:00):
Or is it?

Speaker 4 (01:41:01):
Is it frumpy? I don't know, Kevin, you want to
take a shot, I don't. I don't know if I
want to guess on that one. Okay, I was going
to say that, but I was like, you have to
be appropriate. You have people in the.

Speaker 6 (01:41:14):
Studio's actually the opposite, Okay. It is an old fashioned
phrase that means a pleasing appearance, ay or a tractive right.

Speaker 4 (01:41:23):
Using that in a sentence, texters are asking me who
is filling in for me next week? I know Ben
Albright's in on Monday, but other than that, I don't
know the Ben shows. I'm I'm assuming I won't they
won't break the station while I'm gone, But I don't
care who fills in here before bits. Okay, Dev's in
a couple of days. Ben's in. I don't know if
Willy D's making a return anyway. Now, what is our

(01:41:45):
our trivia question? I have right here? What is the
most expensive edible fungus in the world? It's gotta be truffles. Yes,
when you think that was my guess, the punge into
white truffle tuber Nato pico, which can sell for as
much as three thousand dollars per kilogram. Apparently it is
on par with cocaine. Anyway, I do that.

Speaker 5 (01:42:09):
Well, happened to our insult of the day that was
short lived?

Speaker 4 (01:42:11):
Okay, Well, they're not good and I tried to make
them good and they're not good, and so I ditched
that part of the ship. Aren't good either. The dead
talks are sometimes good. The insults were never good. So
we've done away with that, all right, Connor Shreeve? Ready,
what is our Jeopardy category? You remember, kevit you have
to shout your name out to answer the question in

(01:42:32):
the form of a question like Jeopardy. What is our
Jeopardy category?

Speaker 6 (01:42:35):
Jeopardy category? I know you already have your vacation shoes on.
We're gonna put on our disco shoes. Are you ready
for the first one?

Speaker 4 (01:42:44):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:42:45):
This group with a construction worker, Katy Mandy, what are
the village people?

Speaker 4 (01:42:49):
Correct?

Speaker 8 (01:42:50):
Y'all?

Speaker 4 (01:42:50):
Are both just sit quietly while I get a category.
I'm just gonna let you know right now, I'll go ahead.

Speaker 6 (01:42:55):
I'm your Boogeyman by Casey and disc Mandy, what are
the Sunshine Band?

Speaker 4 (01:43:00):
Correct?

Speaker 5 (01:43:02):
To everything?

Speaker 4 (01:43:03):
There is a season.

Speaker 6 (01:43:04):
The first top forty hits Connor, who are the Birds?

Speaker 4 (01:43:08):
Oh? Incorrect?

Speaker 5 (01:43:10):
Say the whole thing to everything, there is a season.

Speaker 6 (01:43:14):
The first top forty hit for this queen of disco
was love to Love You Baby Mandy, who was out
of summer.

Speaker 4 (01:43:20):
Correct the tramps.

Speaker 6 (01:43:23):
Who wanted to burn that mother down with this song
from Saturday Night Fever.

Speaker 5 (01:43:30):
Burn the mother down, think of fire Saturday Night Fever.

Speaker 6 (01:43:36):
I got nothing anyone else anyone? No, that is disco inferna.

Speaker 4 (01:43:43):
I'm so mad at me right now. Don't freak out,
but queens, who is she? Correct? I apologize that that
category was just so. I feel a little like Cliss
saving on Jeopardy right now when he just had stay
crazy things that Mandy loves and disco music happens.

Speaker 5 (01:44:03):
Do you want to you couldn't do spirits?

Speaker 6 (01:44:06):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:44:06):
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:44:09):
Okay, guys, My honor response is already on on my
email because I'm going on vacation as soon as this
show is over. But I will be back Monday, August
tenth with a brand new intro.

Speaker 6 (01:44:20):
Yes Grant, by the way, just wanted to give a
quick shout out to Anne Marie. Yes, she lives by
one of my friends and loyal listener to The Mandy
Connell Show, and said she follows along to Olivia and
I's relationship and now future baby through the Mandy Connell Show.

Speaker 4 (01:44:35):
We're here for you out we will keep you informed. Everybody,
have a great week. I'll be back in a little
bit and until then, keep it right here on KOA.