The return of Buggy Joe!

Episode Transcript

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Good morning, everybody. Welcome.I'm Ron Wilson and you are in the
garden here on the news radio six' ten WTVN, and it is that
absolutely glorious day in Delaware, Ohio, because that's where we are kicking off
the spring season. And you knowwhat that means. We're at Oakland Nursery,
Delaware, and I want to tellyou what. We're going to talk
about this a little bit more lateron, but we are surrounded. We're

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in Jurassic Park. That's all I'mgoing to tell you right now. You
gotta see it to believe it.And only Paul Reiner. It's just got
Paul Reiner written all over it.I do like to sign out front it
says Jurassic Age and then it's gotmy name underneath it, and then I'll
be here today. Good humor.I like that too, So anyway,
you gotta kind stop out and seeif we're going to be from ten until
noon broadcasting live. We're in thetropical Greenhouse area and we literally are surrounded

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by close to full size dinosaurs.Bring your grandkids. Bring the kids.
They'll know the names of every oneof them. They're all labeled. But
we'll talk more about that later inthe show. So anyway, it's a
beautiful day. It's a little coolout there, but it's warming up quickly.
The sun is out. It's absolutelygorgeous. Come out and see us
at the Oakland Nursery in Delaware.Uh. That's always our spring kickoff,

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and I always thank the folks atOakland Nursery for kicking off the spring season
having us out and about. Andof course we'll be back with him in
the middle of June, kind ofgoing into the summer season to kick off
the summer season as well, andwe'll tell you more about that later.
But right now we're in Delaware,Ohio, So come and see us.
Will be here till noon now toalso kick off the spring season. You

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know what the old sangue says,be careful what you ask for because you
might get it. Well, severalof you been asking for this for the
last three or four weeks, andwell now you're gonna get it, because,
believe it or not, it istime for the buggy Joe Boggs Report.
That would be Joe Boggs from OSUExtension, Assistant Professor, Commercial Order
Cheater for the office, still theposter boy for the OSU extension. He

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is still the co creator of MathaCoffee and for him webs big byg L
dot o su dot eed U,ladies and gentlemen. Mister common says it
call himself is back Buggy Joe Boggs, good morning. Well what's that?
What's that crashing center here? Ithink it's the ratings going up? You

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would be you would be in seventhHeaven here because I know you're a big
dinosaur fan. Oh my goodness,that sounds fantastic. I mean they took
this huge greenhouse that they built acouple of years ago. I mean it's
big, it's got forty foot ceilingin it, and then they went and
actually brought over these things. Arehuge dinosaurs. There's a there's a ton

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of them in here. So Ifeel like I'm a Jurassic part. But
the best part, I don't knowif you heard me say it or not.
On the sign out front it saysJurassic Age and it's got my name
underneath it. I heard you saythat, and I was thinking, oh
my goodness, if I had nonethey had two Jurassic survivors there, right,
yeah, then you could have beenhere too. Yeah, because I

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think the White Castles are showing upa little bit later too. Yeah.
So I always always have one inOakland, and they always are great to
have us for the kickoff of thespring season, and it's great to have
you back on the show to kickoff the spring season as well. It
is fantastic Grin. You know,I was saying, yeah before I came
on that it doesn't seem that long. On one hand. On the other

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hand, it does. I mean, if that makes sense to listeners,
it's uh, we had a lotof things going on at the end of
the season, and we're going topick right up this season, and so
I'm glad to be back. We'reglad to have you back. And I
told people, I actually emailed themand responded back and said because I knew
when you were coming, and Isaid, be careful what you wish for,

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because you're going to get it.And they were all excited. So,
you know what, even my sister, my own sister, asked me
yesterday when you were coming back onthe show so she could start listening again.
Well, there's no pressure, isno no, yeah, you emailed
me if Oh my goodness, thisis no pressure at all, just no
don't think about it, right,you know, yeah, really, if

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i'd known, I'd just be thinking, well, let's focus on the dinosaurs.
That's that's and that's appropriate because thelittle segue here. You know,
almost every insect that we see outthere, in terms of the forms that
we see, everything from grasshoppers toour butterflies, almost all of them survive

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what wiped out the dinosaurs. Reallyyeah, yeah, it's it's amazing when
you look at the age of insectsand arthropods in general, I mean even
spiders for example, But you lookat the age and how long they've been
around, and the vast majority,like I said, of the forums pre

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day dinosaurs, we're talking you know, up towards three hundred million years ago,
and so it just amazing when youthink of it that way. And
it is. It's amazing too thatwhen I look at these things that people
even survived when they were around listento this, you know, I have

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to say, uh, you know, one are some of our favorite old
movies. I mean, you know, of course, you know, Jurassic
Park is not that old, butsome of the old caveman movies. Yeah,
oh yeah, it's probably fast TheFire Quest for fire. That was,
Oh my goodness, that was thatwas right up there. And then

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the one with Ringo star in itand his wife always as I didn't know
that. I think it's where hemet her was in that movie. Well,
I've described this. I've actually lookedfor this clip because I would love
to use it in some of myteaching. Do you remember it's a Ringo
and it's like I think one ortwo other you know, caveman. They're

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just, you know, kind oflaying around on the ground looking up at
the sky, and this giant dragonflyland on one of them, and and
the other one reaches over and smashesit. But the thing was like about
two urs had like about a twoor three foot wingspan. You know why

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I would like to use that isbecause, yes, if you look at
the fossil record, you find thesedragonfly wings that are that are scary big,
right, And and I'm often toask and of course when I teach,
you know, basic entomology for mastergardener volunteers, you know, well,
why don't we have that today?Well, the reason was at that

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time we had a lot more oxygen, not actually a lot more, just
a little bit more oxygen in theatmosphere, and insects have to They don't
breathe through their mouths. They getoxygen directly from holes in the sides of
their body called spiracles. And atthe time there was enough oxygen so that
that direct connection. It's not veryefficient, but it's good enough to keep

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insects going all this time. Butthat direct connection though, with all that
oxygen, allowed insects to get muchlarger. So, yes, we did
have dragonflies, you know, withwith wingspans. It would be kind of
frightening today. So then if amosquito back then would have gotten on us
once we were drained, it'd justbe yeah, that would be yes.

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Now we're now we're into the Mummymovies, right, yeah, really,
Well, last for fire, youknow, you borrowed that from me twenty
years ago. I did, yeah, or whatever that was, that was
good. I don't know. Ithink you still have it, and I
think you have my wheelbarrow and achainsaw ch saws. Half of the half

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of what's in the garage is whatyou're saying. Yeah, I need to
come over and borrow some things backso I could do some gardening. So
do you have anything that you wantto actually talk about today. I got
you distracted with this. We're gonnabecause we need to take a break and
we come back. We'll let youdo whatever you're going to talk about.
By the way, are you feelinggood vibrations? That's what we're going to
talk about. It is it is. I know where you're heading. Yes,

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that's a fantastic coop. Yeah,that's great, a good song.
It's a good song too. It'sa good song. So listeners to just
sing good vibrations. Why we takea break? Yeah, ye. Broadcasting
live today from the Oakland Nursery inDelaware. Come out. We're going to
be here till noon. We're inthe middle of Jurassic Park. And I'm
not kidding when I say it.You got to come and see it to

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believe it. Only Paul Reiner wouldpull something off like this, and you
I'm serious, You got to comeand see it. Broadcasting live again from
Oakland Nursery, Delaware, here onnews radio six to ten w TVN,
Talking your Yardening here on news radiosix y ten WTVN, Broadcasting live today
from Oakland Nursery and Delaware. Lotsof folks already stopping by the table,

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saying hello, and we appreciate that, and listen to the show. We
appreciate that as well. So stopout and say hi, and I'll tell
you what. They are fully stocked, as they always are. And this
is always kind of a kickoff becausewe it seems like when we come to
the Delaware location the first of April, it's usually the decent weather. The
bottom falls out when we're here,and then it really kicks into gear the

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fact the following week. So thiscould be the sign that next week things
really get into gear and we gointo the spring season. Let's keep our
fingers crossed. What do you say? Talk about the buggy Joe Boggs.
You asked for him to come back, and he is back, and uh,
we're happy to have him back andkeep him around for a while,
I hope. And the good talkingabout yarding, and we talk about all
kinds of stuff. We talk aboutbugs and diseases and Jurassic Park and dinosaurs

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and music. And I got aHarry bittercrest behind me, by the way.
Oh my goodness, that is allover the place right now, isn't
it. Yeah, Well, Grant, when Grant is here, when we
he and I get to work together. He always gets the education during the
show, and so I bring himherbs to taste things like that. So
well, today his lesson was withHarry Bittercrest because I use that name for

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reservations when we have reservations at arestaurant or whatever. That's my new pen
name. So now that's his newpen name as Harry Bittercris. I like
to use Donner, you know,like the Donner Party and blitz. Yeah,
it's always nice when you know,I always imagine, you know,
Donner Party of six, and thenyou wait a little bit and it's a

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now Donner Party of four. Yeah, that's a that's sort of a slow
rolling joke, right yeah, yeah, well, no, I don't know
how to segue from that. Iwas going to say, you got me
vibrating here. Well, you know, and this is coming from a report
that was recently put out there thatspotted lantern fly the last inn Star nymphs.

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So we're talking about the immature justabout to turn into an adult,
and the adults appear to be attractedto vibrations at that are about the sixty
hurts or sixty cycles, which isexactly the same you know, frequency of
vibrations that we see in our powerline for example, which which I you

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know, the interesting thing round isI'm not aware then of spotted lantern flies
flying the power lines and getting electrocuted. That would be kind of interesting,
wouldn't it. But when I startedreading this article, you know what,
I thought, that's where there wasgoing to go. Its like they're attracted
to it. And also no,you know, you're right, but but

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it's not surprising because spotted lantern fly, despite its common name fly in the
name, it's not a fly.It looks a lot like a moth,
but it's actually a giant plant hopper. And when we talk about plant hoppers
or talking about insects that are inthis order called hemiphdra and that includes things

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like aphids and soft scales and otherhoppers you know, like leaf hoppers,
And what they all have in commonis they all use their piercing fucking mouth
parts to withdraw sap from the flowthem. So that's how they damage plants.
But something else that's been learned aboutother h members of the hymn if

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or order, things like you andI've talked about this before. There's a
there's an insect that shows up onred buds called the the two marked tree
hopper, and it's it's long beenestablished that the males will will rest on
a stem and vibrate their wings andsend a message that presumably, and of

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course it appears this way is pickedup by females, so they're vibrating and
then there is like a come hithercall the females, and so that's one
there are to use that in asyounger days. There you go. It's
so this form of communication has beenaround or known about for a while.

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And now there's nothing mentioned in thein the article that you and I you
know, read, and the paperthat was published on this in the General
of Economic Entomology, there's nothing mentionedabout this. But the very first time
I was ever able to see spottedlantern fly and see the collection, because
of course that's one of the mainthings that they present. Main problem that

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they present is they are going tobe a real nooisance pest because you see
huge numbers gathering, aggregations gathering.And the very first time I saw that,
in the middle of about all therewas probably ten or fifteen clustered close
together. These were adults. Therewas one mail there that was vibrating its

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wings and others have reported on this. I mean, notice that behavior.
I even took a short video andnow I cannot say again, that's not
mentioned in the article. There's nothingabout this male was doing that at sixty
hurtz or anything. But it doeskind of point towards well, maybe that's

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what was happening, and it's it'snot unusual. Again, I want to
stress that others, you know,other insects in this group do the same
thing. But it's interesting because it'sanother form of communication and insects, you
know, we're used to when wehear crickets and we hear you know,
grasshoppers, you know, raking acrossparts of their body to make a sound,

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you know, or cicadas for example, periodical cicadas that are making a
sound. Everyone knows that insects docommunicate with sound, but this is kind
of a and we also know theycommunicate chemically, right, you know,
they thin out different chemicals to tosend a message to each other. This

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is a little bit different because youknow, we're not hearing this, you
know, we're not you know,sitting there and saying, oh, these
spot lantern flies are making this noise. It's vibrations through a substrate, like
you know, through something like astem, as I mentioned, with a
two marked plant or tree hopper thatthen another another will pick up. Or

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this sound is at a frequency thatwe're just not picking up and it is
acoustic, so it goes and theother insects pick this up. But presumably
this could lead to in the andthe authors of the paper talk about this,
you know, maybe a management technique. Now spot lantern flies. You
know, they can cause harm tograpes, and of course, as they

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said they do, they do removesap from trees, so you know,
we need to be aware of that. But but if we look at other
insects that are somewhat related the planthoppers, there's a group of plant hoppers
called sharpshooters, and they can spreada disease in grapes as devastating. So

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at the end of the scientific paper, the authors actually speculate, well,
you know, perhaps you know,this is a way to manage some of
the sharpshooters that they find out inthe California vineyards, which is pretty interesting.
Now, no one's done it yet, but it is just you know,
learning, you know, these learningnew things about the way insects communicate,

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you know, can help us todevise ways perhaps to defeat them.
I don't know if you heard that. We have birds and monkeys in the
background. Yeah, it's crazy.Monkeys in the back. Monkeys in the
background. We get you only expectthis at Oakland Nursery. Well that's very
interesting. Now, these aren't thetype of flying monkeys like you know one

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of our favorite as a matter offact, his name is Nico. Oh,
oh, you're serious. There isa monkey there. Didn't You couldn't
hear him in the background. No, I can't hear him. Well that's
interesting. Yeah. See, younever know what to expect. You should
have been here when the white castlesshow up. You're gonna wish you had
been here. Well, Donuts wouldhave done it for me, you know,

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that's true. That's true. Yeah. I thought this was very interesting.
I mean, the whole thing aboutthe vibrations and you know, thinking
of new a better way, otherways besides spraying to keep these things under
control. I didn't realize when Iwas reading through this article in Pennsylvania,
since that thing was what was discoveredback in my fourteen I think it was
twenty fourteen, they've had vineyards havehad what forty five up to one hundred

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percent loss of some of the winegrape crops. I mean, it's pretty
can be very devastating, it canbe, and that's something that I want
people to focus on. It canbe. You know, we actually have
quite a few pests, even nativeones, that can be very damaging if
allowed to develop. And you knowthat's one thing, was spotted lantern fly.

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We might be talking about box treemoth again, you know, next
next week. You know, theseare manageable pests though, And why I'm
stressing that is because when we dosee a non native of a there's always
a tendency, myself included. Imean, there's a tendency to look towards
the most devastating aspect. I callit the emerald ashbore effect. Right,

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But these aren't in that category.You know, Japanese beetles are now somewhat
rare in Ohio. Now. Iknow a lot of listeners say, well
they landscape. Yeah, but youknow, if we look, if we
go back, you know, thirtyyears, oh my goodness, we'd see
huge numbers, right, right,isn't like it used to be? It

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isn't like it used to be becausethe three p's predators, parasitoids and pathoges
have caught up with them. Andthat's kind of the point here, is
that is that you know, it'sthe spyty lantern FLI is a bit scary
right now, right as it developsthrough and potential impacts and so on.
But we like to use the wordpotential because even though, as you pointed

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out, you know, maybe spraysare needed to suppress them, but they
can be suppressed, that's the mainpoint. And and things can be protected.
And I would surmise that if weyou know, you know, we're
going to be on here thirty yearsfrom now, right you and I,
I mean, well absolutely, yeah, that's right, We'll still be the
engineer exactly the way She'll still beproducing it, though I'm quite certain,

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I mean, I just but wecould be talking about spotted lantern fly just
like we're talking about Japanese beetles bythere, you know, and maybe even
sooner. So interesting stuff. It'sgreat to be back. It's good to
have you back. By the way, Grant said that he thought this spotted
lanternfly was probably the best looking bughe's ever seen. They are pretty,
aren't they. It really is verytractive. Like I said, they they

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really look moss like and then havesome pretty startling ers, very distinct.
You can't you can't miss it.Can he sign up for the Journal of
Economic Entomology. Is that a subscriptionto get that? Well? You know,
sometimes do we have to know you? Yeah? Sometimes the articles are
free, sometimes they're not. Ifyou're a member of the Entomological Society of

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America ESA, there it's free.So I would urge that anyone who's interested,
if Grant wants to just join theESA, we want more entomologists.
Grant, he's in, He's gotit, buggy Joe, Welcome, welcome
back. Good to have you back. I look forward to talking with you
every Saturday kick off our show,and it's obviously appropriate to have you kicking

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off our spring season as well,and we do and a lot of folks,
yeah, I told you that emailand want to know when you're coming
back. So we're glad, gladyou're back with us. I am thrilled
to be back. And what abeautiful day to be back on. We
didn't have many of these till now, so I'm just I'm thrilled to be
back, looking forward to the upcomingseason. Me too. Have a great
weekend. We will talk to younext Saturday. You too, Ron,

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