June 14, 2025 • 15 mins
Joe Caruso joins the show & the US Open is nearing its end.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, everyone, It's Andy Everett. Enjoy this podcast version of
The Golf Show from sports Radio AM seven sixty The Ticket.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Now from sports Radio AM seven sixty The Ticket. This
is another edition of The Golf Show. The Golf Show
brought to you by MK Golf Tech, Joe Caruso's Golf Academy,
and by Alamo City Golf Trail. Now on the first
t Andy Everett.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It is Father's Day weekend. That means it's US Open
weekend and it's time to talk about it and all
the golf stuff around the world over the next hour.
Thank you so much, so much for being with us
this morning as we recap what's happened so far and
look ahead to the.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Days ahead.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
What will be a rainy Oakmont off and on the
next couple of days, and who knows if they'll be
able to finish by tomorrow evening or if this will
move into Monday with the weather forecasted. Joe Caruso Joe
Crusoe Golf kad of Me joins us.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Good morning. How are you doing good? Andy?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Busy as usual, It's it's extremely busy.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
We just had our first junior camp last week and
very successful, so it was fun.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I heard Mike One on his State of the Union
address if you will for the USGA the other day, said,
rounds of golf in the United States since twenty twenty,
you're up fifty five percent. You see it every day.
The golf courses are packed. Weekend tea times. You better
book a week out and that's good for the game.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
You need a tea time to play a part three.
There's something going on, Okay, just put it that way. Yeah,
it's so busy, it's it's it's great.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
And the one thing that Mike One also said that
the overwhelming majority of that fifty five percent are girls,
women and minorities.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
You know, girls.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Golf has gotten really big, and I think that the
parents have found that the sport for young you know,
young girls is like it's this is where they should
be now. And I mean you have volleyball, which is huge,
you have a softball which is huge, and now golf.
(02:14):
And I think the biggest thing with young girls is
like I have nine of them now and from the
ages of eight to thirteen, and the eight year olds
ranked number two in the nation. I got a thirteen
year old that's really really good.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
And the.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Social aspect. If you can get that social aspect where
they have friends they're playing.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah, and unlike volleyball or softball, you can't talk to
your friends between shots. No, I mean you're in the
heat of the game. With that, that's constant motion. You
hit a shot, you got five minutes before you're going
to hit the next one. So you can have social
time with your friends as well.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
And the parents are starting to realize that. And there's
sec there. Two of my really good players, they just
turned eleven. One turned eleven last month, the other one's
getting ready to turn eleven this month. And that means
they go to eighteen holes in no daddy caddy, so
all by themselves. So the parents are getting together and
(03:13):
they go, Okay, we're gonna play in this tournament. We're
gonna walk eighteen holes. First time, you know is your
daughter playing blah blah blah. And it's like now the
two are playing together, you know, and they're talking to
each other. It's a hard eighteen hole walk, yeah, you know,
by themselves.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
And if they have that first five mile walk or
six mile walk around the golf course, you're gonna realize, okay,
I need to do this more often so I can stay.
I remember the first eighteen holes of golf I played.
I went home and slept for the next five hours.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
And they're pushing those carts. Yeah, so it's uh women's golf.
Girls golf is getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
All right, let's talk about Oakmont in the US Open.
And while the sam Burns had a nice day of
the other day and it's in the lead San Antonio
is Johnny Keefer is playing some great golf. At the
bottom of the hour, Brian Gathwright will join us from
Oakmont for just a few minutes to give us an
update on his sixty nine yesterday. That's some pretty good
golf on any golf course, but especially at Oakmonts.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Well, Johnny Keefer played for Johnson here in San Antonio.
And if you knew the kid like he and I
got to know him when he was younger, when he
was eighth, ninth, and tenth and eleventh grade, the kid
is just he Well, now he's a young man getting
ready to get his tour car because he's if I'm
(04:31):
not almost take seventy in the world now, Yeah, number
one on the corn Ferry Tour. So one or two.
One of the two. So he's first team All American.
He's tough. I mean, you can't teach what he has.
And he's just mentally tough and wants to win and
once to compete, and he's just a he's going to
(04:54):
be great and it's gonna be great for San Antonio.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Some people are are I guess innately to this or
are they developed this in some way? They love the moment,
they love the competition, they love the heat of the moment.
I remember one time when Tiger was there was two things.
I remember when Tiger's career, the first couple of years
he was on tour. Once he was in a tournament
where he was like the second group off on a
(05:16):
Sunday morning, and whoever he was playing with, he turned
the guy and goes man, this sucks. There's nobody out here,
nobody cares. I don't ever want to be this far
back going into Sunday. And then Marco Mirra related a
story where he was in the heat of the moment
in competition and birdies and buggies and bars are flying
all over the place, and Tiger goes man, isn't this fun?
(05:37):
And if it's not fun, then you don't have it
when it comes to competition.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Yeah, And I'll tell you what's great right now in
San Antonio is just this young group of young men
that basically all kind.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Of grew up together.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
You have McClure, Meisner, mack Meiser, who's already on the
PGA Tours doing pretty good, went to SMU was at
Alma Heights. His brother Mitch all right, who is I
think he's number ten on the corn Ferry point who
went to Rice. And then you have Johnny Keefer all right,
(06:12):
and then who's getting ready to get his tour card
all right, and he's already ranked in the top seventy
in the world. Right, and so it's a lot of fun.
You got another one coming up and Garrett Martin. They're
all the same age. And this is telling you how
great San Antonio golf has become.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
All right, let's talk about Oatmont the golf course. And
I have a thought because Roy is struggling again. Although
he did make Berdie on the last toll to make
the cut by two and Scotty Scheffler salvage to seventy
one yesterday, he's at four over. I talk about what
I refer to as the pucker factor a little bit
when it comes to golf, and been playing hard golf courses,
(06:53):
and so let's say I'm playing at TPC San Antonio
and I'm on the first tee and I missed it
a little bit laughter, a little bit right, I'm gonna
probably make bogie or double or worse because it may
not be findable, and if I hit it over the
cart path or in the trees to the left, it's
likely unplayable. Whereas if I play a municipal golf course
or a place that's more wide open, I swing freely,
(07:15):
and I think when you swing freely, you hit more fairways,
and when you're a little bit tight, you're kind of
gripping the club with a death grip sometimes. Do you
think that guys like Scheffler and Rory and other players,
and even Bryson, who struggled yesterday are looking at It's
like I can see Scotty next week going to Hartford
and shooting twenty under again. Because if you miss the fairway,
(07:36):
who cares? The rough is two inches and you can
hit a wedge on the green and make birdie. But
at Oakmond, if you miss by a foot, you're probably
chunking it out sideways.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Well, that's what Brandall Chamblee said. He goes, we don't
need to roll the ball back exactly. I don't want
to go with it. Do that again. But there's no
reason to roll the ball back. There's two things that
you can the golf course that would make it three
times harder. One, you're seeing it tighten up the fairways.
(08:06):
Give me three inch rough. It doesn't have to be
five inch ro Give me three inch rough where the
player has a harder time making the ball stop.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
All right, that it's that simple.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
A twenty yard by fairways kind of stops them from
trying to beat the ball all the way down there,
and then they have to be more precise. And the
the other is to for you take a rake, a
sam bunker rake. They did it once at Memorial, right, Yeah,
they took the one tooth every other tooth out of
(08:38):
the rake. Now, all of a sudden you have the
sand bunkers that you can't get out of.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Right, bunkers are penal not they're not being no there.
They're supposed to be a hazard and they're not. They're
just easy to get out of.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
And it's what Fred couple said, I go, I'd rather
be in the bunker then on the side of the.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Green, absolutely, because you know what you can do out
of the sand.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
You know.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
For you and I, we're not sure if the bunker's raked,
you know, when we go up to it. We don't
know if that's bunker's wet or the next one is soft.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
And so on. Theirs a perfect all the way around.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Here's the thing, though, that where the two things are clashing.
The PGA Tour is in business to make money and
and to put on a TV show. Sure that's and
so this is a one off every year when the
US opened, where par matters, but weeke in and week out.
If the golf courses were set up like this, the
players would complain mightily. The fans would not watch as much.
(09:39):
I'm never going to play four consecutive rounds of golf
in my life and shoot twenty four under.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
It's just not gonna happen. I can dream that it
can happen.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Maybe I get lucky one day and break seventy again,
but I'm not gonna shoot, you know, five days at
sixty eight or four days at sixty eight. And I
can watch the pros do that. So I want to
watch Roy hit at three fifty. I want to watch
Scotty Scheffler shoot twenty five under. I don't want to
see him struggling every time he plays golf, because that's
(10:07):
going to take away from TV ratings.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
It's the at age with baseball.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Baseball wants home runs, they don't want one to nothing
two hitters, And so the USGA wants to roll the
ball back, and the PGA Tour is like, no, ratings
are unprecedently high. We got great players doing great things.
We've got athletes playing, and now you want to roll
it back. You want to make Memorial hard, and you
want to make the US Open hard.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
That's fine.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Hey, let me tell you something.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
The PGA Tour wants fifteen under par when I was
out there, they want fifteen under par. All right, that
brings in ratings.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Right.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
The ball rollback real simple, nobody's talking about except Shamblee
kind of goes around it without people knowing. Every tour
player gets at least three dozen golf balls for free
every week.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Let's just choose titlists.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
For example, you have one hundred and forty guys one
hundred and forty four guys as.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
A tee up.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
You're gonna give him three dozen golf balls over forty
five tournaments.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
All right?
Speaker 5 (11:06):
That just the PGA Tour, you have, the Senior Tour,
you have the you have the European, you got the
corn Ferry, Japanese, you go down the list, all right,
you're gonna roll the ball back on them, all right,
they're gonna play a different ball than you and I. Right,
all right, So well, wait a minute, when when does
that ball change?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
College? Right?
Speaker 5 (11:25):
That freshman comes in and he has to play some
other kind of golf ball, and yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
When's that going to start?
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I can't go.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
It's gonna he's gonna pay for it, because, like Branda
said it the other day, it's gonna cost one hundred
and fifty dollars a dozen a dozen for the amateur
just to make up the cost of how much titleist
loses when they hand out golf balls for free.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
The sixty a dozen balls right now are going to
go to eighty overnight, and it's they're going to increase
by three or four percent every year.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Taylor Made and Ping both said they have no idea
where the USG is getting their analytics from all right,
because they're analytics. And let me tell you something, Ping
does a ton of analytics. I've seen it in their
ball area. They sit there and it's like they said,
the ball hasn't gone any further the last four to
(12:16):
five years.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Here's where I think this is going to come to
a head before twenty twenty seven or twenty twenty eight
titleist Taylor made callaway stricks On. All the golf ball
manufacturers go, we're not making the ball.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
You want to make the ball, have fun, Go do
heroes money.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah, go make a PGA to our ball and make
the PGA to our players play it. But we're not
investing in it. We're not paying for it. Let's talk
to Mark and Kirk right for a second. They've done
the club fitting for years and years and years.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
All right.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
How big are the athletes walking in through the door?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Right? All right?
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Look at Brook Skapka, he could play linebacker in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
They're big, these guys. You know, gave a lesson the
other day. College player. He's six two and a half
two ten, all right, with very little fat.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
We do you think the ball is going to go
long and straight and far?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
My goodness.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Yeah, I don't think that.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I think the golf ball manufacturers are going to stand
up to the RNA and the USGA and say we're
not making the ball. So titlist is going to provide
what you have said is legal for now and within
the parameters going forward. We'll stay with that, but we
are not making a tour ball because it will cost
the consumer too much for us to do that because
of the number of balls we have to give away
for free to the players. Yeah, I don't think and
(13:31):
I don't think it should happen. Paul McKinley was on this. Oh,
we got to roll the ball back and make the
courses tougher we need. We're putting on a TV show.
We are selling entertainment. We are going up against Law
and Order, SUV reruns, We're going up against baseball, basketball, football.
If you want to want to make golf boring and methodical,
have fifty one US opens every week, people will stop watching.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Yeah, that's true, and I love what Bramble says. He
goes it would be it would hurt and almost destroy
the game if you roll the ball back.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I was in Scotland a couple of weeks ago. At Merefield,
and I was talking to the caddies there and the
and the RNA has told Mearfield they want them to
extend two holes and I think it's number five, and
I don't remember what the other one was, but I
think it was twelve or thirteen. In order to do that,
they're going to have to buy more land that they
can get access to and spend a couple of million
(14:25):
dollars to move this back. Now, I'll use the par
five to fifth for example. It was blowing twenty five
miles an hour down wind. We were playing the hole
from five oh one. The t marker for the pros
was at five point fifty. So I hit driver eight
iron to that hole and it was all wind aided.
It was all ground aided. But if that win would
have been flipped in the other direction, I wouldn't have
(14:46):
been able to get there in two shots. I would
have had a seven iron for the third shot, but
it had the opposite wind.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
So it's all win pretty good.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
So yeah, Rory would probably hit driver seven iron to
a par five from five point fifty if but if
it was into the wind, he wouldn't. And if they
narrowed the fairways and he missed, he'd be in knee
high heather. So just if you want to make par matter,
and if it's whether the tournament's at Mirrorfield or at
oak monor anywhere else, shrink the fairway then they'll then
they'll be less accurate.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Shrinked the fairway and rake the bunkers differently where it
makes it almost impossible to get out.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Well, in Scotland they're making them hard anyway because they
got eight foot side faces and you have to go
out sideways if you're anywhere near it.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
But that's the way it's supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yes, So the solution is easy, and the USD and
RNA are trying to make it complicated. All right, We
got a lot of golf tips to get to and
we'll do all that coming up next it's the Golf
Show on the tip
Hi, everyone, It's Andy Everett. Enjoy this podcast version of
The Golf Show from sports Radio AM seven sixty The Ticket.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Now from sports Radio AM seven sixty The Ticket. This
is another edition of The Golf Show. The Golf Show
brought to you by MK Golf Tech, Joe Caruso's Golf Academy,
and by Alamo City Golf Trail. Now on the first
t Andy Everett.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It is Father's Day weekend. That means it's US Open
weekend and it's time to talk about it and all
the golf stuff around the world over the next hour.
Thank you so much, so much for being with us
this morning as we recap what's happened so far and
look ahead to the.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Days ahead.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
What will be a rainy Oakmont off and on the
next couple of days, and who knows if they'll be
able to finish by tomorrow evening or if this will
move into Monday with the weather forecasted. Joe Caruso Joe
Crusoe Golf kad of Me joins us.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Good morning. How are you doing good? Andy?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Busy as usual, It's it's extremely busy.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
We just had our first junior camp last week and
very successful, so it was fun.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I heard Mike One on his State of the Union
address if you will for the USGA the other day, said,
rounds of golf in the United States since twenty twenty,
you're up fifty five percent. You see it every day.
The golf courses are packed. Weekend tea times. You better
book a week out and that's good for the game.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
You need a tea time to play a part three.
There's something going on, Okay, just put it that way. Yeah,
it's so busy, it's it's it's great.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
And the one thing that Mike One also said that
the overwhelming majority of that fifty five percent are girls,
women and minorities.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
You know, girls.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Golf has gotten really big, and I think that the
parents have found that the sport for young you know,
young girls is like it's this is where they should
be now. And I mean you have volleyball, which is huge,
you have a softball which is huge, and now golf.
(02:14):
And I think the biggest thing with young girls is
like I have nine of them now and from the
ages of eight to thirteen, and the eight year olds
ranked number two in the nation. I got a thirteen
year old that's really really good.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
And the.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Social aspect. If you can get that social aspect where
they have friends they're playing.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah, and unlike volleyball or softball, you can't talk to
your friends between shots. No, I mean you're in the
heat of the game. With that, that's constant motion. You
hit a shot, you got five minutes before you're going
to hit the next one. So you can have social
time with your friends as well.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
And the parents are starting to realize that. And there's
sec there. Two of my really good players, they just
turned eleven. One turned eleven last month, the other one's
getting ready to turn eleven this month. And that means
they go to eighteen holes in no daddy caddy, so
all by themselves. So the parents are getting together and
(03:13):
they go, Okay, we're gonna play in this tournament. We're
gonna walk eighteen holes. First time, you know is your
daughter playing blah blah blah. And it's like now the
two are playing together, you know, and they're talking to
each other. It's a hard eighteen hole walk, yeah, you know,
by themselves.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
And if they have that first five mile walk or
six mile walk around the golf course, you're gonna realize, okay,
I need to do this more often so I can stay.
I remember the first eighteen holes of golf I played.
I went home and slept for the next five hours.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
And they're pushing those carts. Yeah, so it's uh women's golf.
Girls golf is getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
All right, let's talk about Oakmont in the US Open.
And while the sam Burns had a nice day of
the other day and it's in the lead San Antonio
is Johnny Keefer is playing some great golf. At the
bottom of the hour, Brian Gathwright will join us from
Oakmont for just a few minutes to give us an
update on his sixty nine yesterday. That's some pretty good
golf on any golf course, but especially at Oakmonts.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Well, Johnny Keefer played for Johnson here in San Antonio.
And if you knew the kid like he and I
got to know him when he was younger, when he
was eighth, ninth, and tenth and eleventh grade, the kid
is just he Well, now he's a young man getting
ready to get his tour car because he's if I'm
(04:31):
not almost take seventy in the world now, Yeah, number
one on the corn Ferry Tour. So one or two.
One of the two. So he's first team All American.
He's tough. I mean, you can't teach what he has.
And he's just mentally tough and wants to win and
once to compete, and he's just a he's going to
(04:54):
be great and it's gonna be great for San Antonio.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Some people are are I guess innately to this or
are they developed this in some way? They love the moment,
they love the competition, they love the heat of the moment.
I remember one time when Tiger was there was two things.
I remember when Tiger's career, the first couple of years
he was on tour. Once he was in a tournament
where he was like the second group off on a
(05:16):
Sunday morning, and whoever he was playing with, he turned
the guy and goes man, this sucks. There's nobody out here,
nobody cares. I don't ever want to be this far
back going into Sunday. And then Marco Mirra related a
story where he was in the heat of the moment
in competition and birdies and buggies and bars are flying
all over the place, and Tiger goes man, isn't this fun?
(05:37):
And if it's not fun, then you don't have it
when it comes to competition.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Yeah, And I'll tell you what's great right now in
San Antonio is just this young group of young men
that basically all kind.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Of grew up together.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
You have McClure, Meisner, mack Meiser, who's already on the
PGA Tours doing pretty good, went to SMU was at
Alma Heights. His brother Mitch all right, who is I
think he's number ten on the corn Ferry point who
went to Rice. And then you have Johnny Keefer all right,
(06:12):
and then who's getting ready to get his tour card
all right, and he's already ranked in the top seventy
in the world. Right, and so it's a lot of fun.
You got another one coming up and Garrett Martin. They're
all the same age. And this is telling you how
great San Antonio golf has become.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
All right, let's talk about Oatmont the golf course. And
I have a thought because Roy is struggling again. Although
he did make Berdie on the last toll to make
the cut by two and Scotty Scheffler salvage to seventy
one yesterday, he's at four over. I talk about what
I refer to as the pucker factor a little bit
when it comes to golf, and been playing hard golf courses,
(06:53):
and so let's say I'm playing at TPC San Antonio
and I'm on the first tee and I missed it
a little bit laughter, a little bit right, I'm gonna
probably make bogie or double or worse because it may
not be findable, and if I hit it over the
cart path or in the trees to the left, it's
likely unplayable. Whereas if I play a municipal golf course
or a place that's more wide open, I swing freely,
(07:15):
and I think when you swing freely, you hit more fairways,
and when you're a little bit tight, you're kind of
gripping the club with a death grip sometimes. Do you
think that guys like Scheffler and Rory and other players,
and even Bryson, who struggled yesterday are looking at It's
like I can see Scotty next week going to Hartford
and shooting twenty under again. Because if you miss the fairway,
(07:36):
who cares? The rough is two inches and you can
hit a wedge on the green and make birdie. But
at Oakmond, if you miss by a foot, you're probably
chunking it out sideways.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Well, that's what Brandall Chamblee said. He goes, we don't
need to roll the ball back exactly. I don't want
to go with it. Do that again. But there's no
reason to roll the ball back. There's two things that
you can the golf course that would make it three
times harder. One, you're seeing it tighten up the fairways.
(08:06):
Give me three inch rough. It doesn't have to be
five inch ro Give me three inch rough where the
player has a harder time making the ball stop.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
All right, that it's that simple.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
A twenty yard by fairways kind of stops them from
trying to beat the ball all the way down there,
and then they have to be more precise. And the
the other is to for you take a rake, a
sam bunker rake. They did it once at Memorial, right, Yeah,
they took the one tooth every other tooth out of
(08:38):
the rake. Now, all of a sudden you have the
sand bunkers that you can't get out of.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Right, bunkers are penal not they're not being no there.
They're supposed to be a hazard and they're not. They're
just easy to get out of.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
And it's what Fred couple said, I go, I'd rather
be in the bunker then on the side of the.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Green, absolutely, because you know what you can do out
of the sand.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
You know.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
For you and I, we're not sure if the bunker's raked,
you know, when we go up to it. We don't
know if that's bunker's wet or the next one is soft.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
And so on. Theirs a perfect all the way around.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Here's the thing, though, that where the two things are clashing.
The PGA Tour is in business to make money and
and to put on a TV show. Sure that's and
so this is a one off every year when the
US opened, where par matters, but weeke in and week out.
If the golf courses were set up like this, the
players would complain mightily. The fans would not watch as much.
(09:39):
I'm never going to play four consecutive rounds of golf
in my life and shoot twenty four under.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
It's just not gonna happen. I can dream that it
can happen.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Maybe I get lucky one day and break seventy again,
but I'm not gonna shoot, you know, five days at
sixty eight or four days at sixty eight. And I
can watch the pros do that. So I want to
watch Roy hit at three fifty. I want to watch
Scotty Scheffler shoot twenty five under. I don't want to
see him struggling every time he plays golf, because that's
(10:07):
going to take away from TV ratings.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
It's the at age with baseball.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Baseball wants home runs, they don't want one to nothing
two hitters, And so the USGA wants to roll the
ball back, and the PGA Tour is like, no, ratings
are unprecedently high. We got great players doing great things.
We've got athletes playing, and now you want to roll
it back. You want to make Memorial hard, and you
want to make the US Open hard.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
That's fine.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Hey, let me tell you something.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
The PGA Tour wants fifteen under par when I was
out there, they want fifteen under par. All right, that
brings in ratings.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Right.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
The ball rollback real simple, nobody's talking about except Shamblee
kind of goes around it without people knowing. Every tour
player gets at least three dozen golf balls for free
every week.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Let's just choose titlists.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
For example, you have one hundred and forty guys one
hundred and forty four guys as.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
A tee up.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
You're gonna give him three dozen golf balls over forty
five tournaments.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
All right?
Speaker 5 (11:06):
That just the PGA Tour, you have, the Senior Tour,
you have the you have the European, you got the
corn Ferry, Japanese, you go down the list, all right,
you're gonna roll the ball back on them, all right,
they're gonna play a different ball than you and I. Right,
all right, So well, wait a minute, when when does
that ball change?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
College? Right?
Speaker 5 (11:25):
That freshman comes in and he has to play some
other kind of golf ball, and yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
When's that going to start?
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I can't go.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
It's gonna he's gonna pay for it, because, like Branda
said it the other day, it's gonna cost one hundred
and fifty dollars a dozen a dozen for the amateur
just to make up the cost of how much titleist
loses when they hand out golf balls for free.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
The sixty a dozen balls right now are going to
go to eighty overnight, and it's they're going to increase
by three or four percent every year.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Taylor Made and Ping both said they have no idea
where the USG is getting their analytics from all right,
because they're analytics. And let me tell you something, Ping
does a ton of analytics. I've seen it in their
ball area. They sit there and it's like they said,
the ball hasn't gone any further the last four to
(12:16):
five years.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Here's where I think this is going to come to
a head before twenty twenty seven or twenty twenty eight
titleist Taylor made callaway stricks On. All the golf ball
manufacturers go, we're not making the ball.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
You want to make the ball, have fun, Go do
heroes money.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah, go make a PGA to our ball and make
the PGA to our players play it. But we're not
investing in it. We're not paying for it. Let's talk
to Mark and Kirk right for a second. They've done
the club fitting for years and years and years.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
All right.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
How big are the athletes walking in through the door?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Right? All right?
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Look at Brook Skapka, he could play linebacker in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
They're big, these guys. You know, gave a lesson the
other day. College player. He's six two and a half
two ten, all right, with very little fat.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
We do you think the ball is going to go
long and straight and far?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
My goodness.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Yeah, I don't think that.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I think the golf ball manufacturers are going to stand
up to the RNA and the USGA and say we're
not making the ball. So titlist is going to provide
what you have said is legal for now and within
the parameters going forward. We'll stay with that, but we
are not making a tour ball because it will cost
the consumer too much for us to do that because
of the number of balls we have to give away
for free to the players. Yeah, I don't think and
(13:31):
I don't think it should happen. Paul McKinley was on this. Oh,
we got to roll the ball back and make the
courses tougher we need. We're putting on a TV show.
We are selling entertainment. We are going up against Law
and Order, SUV reruns, We're going up against baseball, basketball, football.
If you want to want to make golf boring and methodical,
have fifty one US opens every week, people will stop watching.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Yeah, that's true, and I love what Bramble says. He
goes it would be it would hurt and almost destroy
the game if you roll the ball back.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I was in Scotland a couple of weeks ago. At Merefield,
and I was talking to the caddies there and the
and the RNA has told Mearfield they want them to
extend two holes and I think it's number five, and
I don't remember what the other one was, but I
think it was twelve or thirteen. In order to do that,
they're going to have to buy more land that they
can get access to and spend a couple of million
(14:25):
dollars to move this back. Now, I'll use the par
five to fifth for example. It was blowing twenty five
miles an hour down wind. We were playing the hole
from five oh one. The t marker for the pros
was at five point fifty. So I hit driver eight
iron to that hole and it was all wind aided.
It was all ground aided. But if that win would
have been flipped in the other direction, I wouldn't have
(14:46):
been able to get there in two shots. I would
have had a seven iron for the third shot, but
it had the opposite wind.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
So it's all win pretty good.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
So yeah, Rory would probably hit driver seven iron to
a par five from five point fifty if but if
it was into the wind, he wouldn't. And if they
narrowed the fairways and he missed, he'd be in knee
high heather. So just if you want to make par matter,
and if it's whether the tournament's at Mirrorfield or at
oak monor anywhere else, shrink the fairway then they'll then
they'll be less accurate.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Shrinked the fairway and rake the bunkers differently where it
makes it almost impossible to get out.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Well, in Scotland they're making them hard anyway because they
got eight foot side faces and you have to go
out sideways if you're anywhere near it.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
But that's the way it's supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yes, So the solution is easy, and the USD and
RNA are trying to make it complicated. All right, We
got a lot of golf tips to get to and
we'll do all that coming up next it's the Golf
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