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Speaker 1 (00:02):
All right, it's the Golf show on the ticket. Let's
talk about those who fade the golf ball and.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Those that draw it.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
And you have been a proponent on this show for
a long time about amateur golfers should learn how to
draw the golf ball. They're going to have more solid
contact with it. But as a player gets more proficient
and stronger and is able. I was thinking about this
the other day, and I've read a couple of things
Lee Trevino has said in the past.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Other golfers have kind of talked.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
About this, where the adage is you can talk to
a fade, but the hook won't listen. And if you
look at a lot of the golfers I think at
the US Open that play really well over the years,
they fade the golf ball a little bit.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I was explaining this to somebody the other day.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
If you're a professional golfer and you're working out all
the time and you can hold off the club at impact,
you're still going to get solid contact. But I know
one of the things that we've talked about with you
before is that when you're a beginning a beginning player,
if you're a weak player who doesn't work out. Sometimes
women follow this category. When you try to hit a fade,
(01:10):
it's usually a swipe slice, not a fade, and there's
really not a lot of solidness to that that golf shot.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Uh. To truly hit a fade the or a hole
shot as we call it, hold it back up into
the wind, the the the player has to be very
competent when it comes to hitting a draw. If you
can draw it, you can fade it. So understanding the
draw movements is extremely important because that is the the
(01:41):
You know, you're swinging the club on playing on an arc,
so but when you try to turn it around to
hit a fade you had you had your You have
to be really strong. The hands have to exit low left,
so there's a lot of centrifical force there that you're
pushing down on and then trying to maintain the club
(02:04):
face angle being square or what they call you know,
close to the target but open to the path coming through.
It's it's really hard to do and you have to
be a very accomplished player to do it and to
truly hit a true holder fade. Now nowadays you kind
(02:25):
of see it because we get to see shot tracer,
which is really cool. With the drivers, you know, the drivers,
they tour players want to move it from left to right,
and the college players want to move it from left
to right, most of them. And to do that, you know,
you know, if Mark was sitting here that you would
(02:45):
say that. You know, with the drivers being two thousand
spind twenty two hundred spind, you're gonna be able to
do that. You know, to hit a draw with a driver,
if I'm not mistaken, it needs to be around twenty
five hundred to twenty six to twenty seven hunter spin,
because now you can put enough side spin and hit
the draw.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I always look at it far to this standpoint because
and I know this is something that I'm guilty of
as well. If I hardly ever try to hit a
fade unless I have a helping left to right wind,
if the wind's off my left shoulder, when I'm standing
straight facing the target, where I can kind of ride
the wind and get the extra carry that it's going
(03:26):
to require. Most of the rest of the time, I'm
trying to hit it straighter or with a little bit
of a drop. And the reason I say that is,
and I'm hoping the sound effects work here. If you
bring the club from the inside will take your hand
and pretend that your left hand is the ball. If
you're riding a golfer and the right hand is a club,
and I come from the inside, that's a solid sound.
(03:47):
But to come from the outside and swipe across it,
there's no solidness to that clap, and there's no solidness
to the had of the golf ball.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
There's a lot that has to happen to hit that fade.
Your body's rotating and the arms are moving more linear.
A great example is looking at somebody like Scotti schefferd
where their arms are very vertical all right to hit
the shots that he's trying to hit. It takes a
lot of strength and a lot of power to make
(04:14):
that happen, especially over eighteen holes. And if the only
shot you're trying to hit is a fade, then you
don't know how to draw it. But guys who can
draw it can fade it. If you look at the
great players that win majors, they can do both sides
of the of it. Now, when you look at somebody
like Marikawa Goes, I don't want the ball ever to
(04:36):
go left. He will have a very very, very hard
time playing great great golf courses because he can't draw
the ball.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Now, he can't draw it.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Gusta is one of them, so he can't move the
ball when he has to into a left pen, all right.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
So I feel the same way when I play a
golf course. I'm not a big fan of right side
depends on the right side of greens. But I think
the shot is is to play like what I try
to do is play at the flag knowing it's going
to go left, and if it goes a little bit left,
it's twenty five feet and if it goes straight, it's
on the flag. So but if you're not, if you're
(05:15):
afraid to shoot at left pins because you can't draw
the ball, because Jack Nicholas would say, if the pen's
on the left, I'm playing center to left, and if
the pen was on the right, I'm playing center to right.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah, Well that's how Tiger played it. And so I
think that, you know, preferences always can be To learn
how to hit a push draw right, know the mechanics
of hitting a push draw, where the ball should be
in your stands, club face, and so on, you'll have
a better time, more fun, be able to play every
golf course that's out there and hit a lot of it.
(05:47):
To play good golf, you gotta hit it solid, right,
You're gonna hit it more solid from the draw position.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Well.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
And not only that, but if you hit the ball
with a fade, it's usually going to go higher. So now,
because you got the face open a little bit at
and if you hit a draw, it's going to go
a bit lower, and you're gonna be able to get
it through the wind.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
You're gonna play better. It's just a better it's you
hit it if you hit it solid. And I missed
the green. Yes, the draw can get out of control,
but then you can bring it back into control if
you understand a few simple things.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
All right.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
A quick tip that I saw the other day. I
sent you a video of this. Jake Napp had an
aiming steak and he put it through the one of
those aiming sticks and he put it through the first
two or three belt loops in his in his in
his I guess, in front of him, so that as
he's been bending over, this aiming steak is sticking out
about two feet on either side left and right. What's
(06:41):
the method of the madness there? What's he trying to accomplish.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Well, when you see it, you know, when you see
him swinging the club, he's got long, long arms. His
arms are very long, and he has a very like
loopy type swing, so he holds the angle pretty hard
on the way down. What that's doing is is getting
his arms back out in front of him so that
(07:06):
he can hit that fade, that hold shot. If not,
it gets trapped behind him and he's going to flip
the club and hit these monster draws that he that
he doesn't want to do, so he's trying to get
the club more in front of him coming down to
hit a straighter ball or something that falls to the right.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Okay, we got more tips for Joe here in a
little bit. Brian Gathright works with Johnny Keefer.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
He's at Oakmont.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
We'll get a quick update from him on that, and
we'll tell you about the founders of the Oakmont golf
Course and how sadistic they are and still worry still are.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
That's all coming up. It's the Golf Show on the
ticket
All right, it's the Golf show on the ticket. Let's
talk about those who fade the golf ball and.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Those that draw it.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
And you have been a proponent on this show for
a long time about amateur golfers should learn how to
draw the golf ball. They're going to have more solid
contact with it. But as a player gets more proficient
and stronger and is able. I was thinking about this
the other day, and I've read a couple of things
Lee Trevino has said in the past.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Other golfers have kind of talked.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
About this, where the adage is you can talk to
a fade, but the hook won't listen. And if you
look at a lot of the golfers I think at
the US Open that play really well over the years,
they fade the golf ball a little bit.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I was explaining this to somebody the other day.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
If you're a professional golfer and you're working out all
the time and you can hold off the club at impact,
you're still going to get solid contact. But I know
one of the things that we've talked about with you
before is that when you're a beginning a beginning player,
if you're a weak player who doesn't work out. Sometimes
women follow this category. When you try to hit a fade,
(01:10):
it's usually a swipe slice, not a fade, and there's
really not a lot of solidness to that that golf shot.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Uh. To truly hit a fade the or a hole
shot as we call it, hold it back up into
the wind, the the the player has to be very
competent when it comes to hitting a draw. If you
can draw it, you can fade it. So understanding the
draw movements is extremely important because that is the the
(01:41):
You know, you're swinging the club on playing on an arc,
so but when you try to turn it around to
hit a fade you had you had your You have
to be really strong. The hands have to exit low left,
so there's a lot of centrifical force there that you're
pushing down on and then trying to maintain the club
(02:04):
face angle being square or what they call you know,
close to the target but open to the path coming through.
It's it's really hard to do and you have to
be a very accomplished player to do it and to
truly hit a true holder fade. Now nowadays you kind
(02:25):
of see it because we get to see shot tracer,
which is really cool. With the drivers, you know, the drivers,
they tour players want to move it from left to right,
and the college players want to move it from left
to right, most of them. And to do that, you know,
you know, if Mark was sitting here that you would
(02:45):
say that. You know, with the drivers being two thousand
spind twenty two hundred spind, you're gonna be able to
do that. You know, to hit a draw with a driver,
if I'm not mistaken, it needs to be around twenty
five hundred to twenty six to twenty seven hunter spin,
because now you can put enough side spin and hit
the draw.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I always look at it far to this standpoint because
and I know this is something that I'm guilty of
as well. If I hardly ever try to hit a
fade unless I have a helping left to right wind,
if the wind's off my left shoulder, when I'm standing
straight facing the target, where I can kind of ride
the wind and get the extra carry that it's going
(03:26):
to require. Most of the rest of the time, I'm
trying to hit it straighter or with a little bit
of a drop. And the reason I say that is,
and I'm hoping the sound effects work here. If you
bring the club from the inside will take your hand
and pretend that your left hand is the ball. If
you're riding a golfer and the right hand is a club,
and I come from the inside, that's a solid sound.
(03:47):
But to come from the outside and swipe across it,
there's no solidness to that clap, and there's no solidness
to the had of the golf ball.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
There's a lot that has to happen to hit that fade.
Your body's rotating and the arms are moving more linear.
A great example is looking at somebody like Scotti schefferd
where their arms are very vertical all right to hit
the shots that he's trying to hit. It takes a
lot of strength and a lot of power to make
(04:14):
that happen, especially over eighteen holes. And if the only
shot you're trying to hit is a fade, then you
don't know how to draw it. But guys who can
draw it can fade it. If you look at the
great players that win majors, they can do both sides
of the of it. Now, when you look at somebody
like Marikawa Goes, I don't want the ball ever to
(04:36):
go left. He will have a very very, very hard
time playing great great golf courses because he can't draw
the ball.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Now, he can't draw it.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Gusta is one of them, so he can't move the
ball when he has to into a left pen, all right.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
So I feel the same way when I play a
golf course. I'm not a big fan of right side
depends on the right side of greens. But I think
the shot is is to play like what I try
to do is play at the flag knowing it's going
to go left, and if it goes a little bit left,
it's twenty five feet and if it goes straight, it's
on the flag. So but if you're not, if you're
(05:15):
afraid to shoot at left pins because you can't draw
the ball, because Jack Nicholas would say, if the pen's
on the left, I'm playing center to left, and if
the pen was on the right, I'm playing center to right.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah, Well that's how Tiger played it. And so I
think that, you know, preferences always can be To learn
how to hit a push draw right, know the mechanics
of hitting a push draw, where the ball should be
in your stands, club face, and so on, you'll have
a better time, more fun, be able to play every
golf course that's out there and hit a lot of it.
(05:47):
To play good golf, you gotta hit it solid, right,
You're gonna hit it more solid from the draw position.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Well.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
And not only that, but if you hit the ball
with a fade, it's usually going to go higher. So now,
because you got the face open a little bit at
and if you hit a draw, it's going to go
a bit lower, and you're gonna be able to get
it through the wind.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
You're gonna play better. It's just a better it's you
hit it if you hit it solid. And I missed
the green. Yes, the draw can get out of control,
but then you can bring it back into control if
you understand a few simple things.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
All right.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
A quick tip that I saw the other day. I
sent you a video of this. Jake Napp had an
aiming steak and he put it through the one of
those aiming sticks and he put it through the first
two or three belt loops in his in his in
his I guess, in front of him, so that as
he's been bending over, this aiming steak is sticking out
about two feet on either side left and right. What's
(06:41):
the method of the madness there? What's he trying to accomplish.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Well, when you see it, you know, when you see
him swinging the club, he's got long, long arms. His
arms are very long, and he has a very like
loopy type swing, so he holds the angle pretty hard
on the way down. What that's doing is is getting
his arms back out in front of him so that
(07:06):
he can hit that fade, that hold shot. If not,
it gets trapped behind him and he's going to flip
the club and hit these monster draws that he that
he doesn't want to do, so he's trying to get
the club more in front of him coming down to
hit a straighter ball or something that falls to the right.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Okay, we got more tips for Joe here in a
little bit. Brian Gathright works with Johnny Keefer.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
He's at Oakmont.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
We'll get a quick update from him on that, and
we'll tell you about the founders of the Oakmont golf
Course and how sadistic they are and still worry still are.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
That's all coming up. It's the Golf Show on the
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