June 21, 2025 • 14 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi everyone, It's Andy Everett. Enjoy this podcast version of
The Golf Show from sports Radio AM seven sixty.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
The Ticket.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Now from sports Radio AM seven sixty to the Ticket.
This is another edition of The Golf Show. The Golf
Show brought to you by MK Golf Tech, Joe Caruso's
Golf Academy, and by Alamo City Golf Trail.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Now on the first t Andy Everett.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Here we go this Saturday morning, talking golf for the
next hour, and thank you for spending your morning with
us as you head to the golf course or get
your breakfast or coffee and start thinking about all the
golf news from the week. Andrew Peterson from the Alamo
City Golf Trail joins us this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Good morning, Andrew, and I know.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
That people are excited about the trail these days, and
the golf courses are greening up and looking good.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Right now, let me see what Mike he're on here.
Let's try that one morning. Thanks you. There we go.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
I'm finally here, finally here, exactly surrific. Thanks for having
me Andy, always a pleasure to be here. Appreciate talking
golf with you. And yeah, I'm pretty polish on the
animal City Golf Trail Right now, Mother nature's been good,
sunshine's been great, golf courses are rounding into form, and
we're as busy as ever.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
We told you, you know, back in March and April.
When mother nature decides to go up and down and sideways,
it's hard to grow grass and it's hard to do
a lot of things, and you do the best you can.
But as soon as that sun gets out and we
get those ninety degree temperatures and the rain that it's
been out there for the last few weeks, things get
much better, much quicker.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Yeah, And I certainly appreciate the patience of the public.
We stubbed our toe a little bit this spring, but
those woes are behind us, and I guess that's the
reason they say the windshields bigger than the review mirror.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Lots of rain. How has it helped you and how
has it deterred what you like to do this time
of the year.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Well, yeah, of course, rain is always good, and we're
thankful for it, but I wish it would come in
smaller doses. We got what four or five, six, seven
inches of rain kind of across the city in various
areas last week and honestly, I would rather have it
half an inch a week. The excess rain just causes
more damage than it does good. As far as ground saturation,
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it doesn't penetrate any more than a half an inch would.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
So when we get those big.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Flooding events, particularly at Willow Springs, which is closed thankfully,
but also it hurt us there. Almost Base and Brackenridge
got a little bit, Northern Hills got a little bit.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
It just takes time and effort to get that stuff
cleaned up.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
How's the regressing project at Willow going, Well.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
I'm happy you asked. I'm really thrilled with where that's going.
I think we're gonna have a fantastic golf course, really
really solid conditions. My hope is that we're five weeks
away from yesterday, so that puts us Ad July twenty
fifth for an opening. We would open that Friday, and
we'd probably be a few holes in our cart path
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only a little bit difficult to tell now, but the
greens are really coming in well, and we're just going
to be kind of waiting on some fairways to fill
in over the next few weeks.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
One of the things that you have to protect when
the weather gets as hot as it is, is the
greens and making sure they don't burn out. You don't
want to have to do like they do on big
grass greens where you're constantly syringing them and so. And
I guess there were some people that I saw, and
you mentioned it that the greens may be a little
bit slower right now, But I played Mission last week
and I didn't feel.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Like that they were overly slow.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Well, I think that's somewhat arbitrary, right, I think that
we all like to play fast greens. We like the
illusion of fast greens. But I was telling me I
played at Cedar Creek yesterday, and if the greens there
are really really fast, pace of play gets substantially worse
than it already can be there. So we're trying to
protect the turf, the health, the longevity. So if turf
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conditions are healthy, that's kind of what we're after.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Green speeds are secondary.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
But now that the turf is really healthy, I think
we can start working on speeds.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Speaking of Cedar Creek, I saw a Facebook post from
you all this week that that's where the City Championship
will be held at the end of July. And I
know you're looking forward to that almost sey golf trail,
taking over the City Championship and trying to make it
better and bigger each and every year.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
So talk about going to Cedar for.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
This, Yeah, it's the City Amateur.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
The men's City Amateur will be held at Cedar Creek
July twenty fifth, twenty sixth, and twenty seventh. We also
get to the host the Women's Senior Amateur and the
Senior Amateur. Those will be held at Riverside in September,
but the event in July, certainly we're expecting the best
of the best to play in that. San Antonio has
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got a bunch of really good players. The entry fee
is and really all inclusive, whereas when the Golf San
Antonio group is running it, you kind of had to
pay as you went to a certain degree. So it's
going to include a practice round the week of the
three tournament rounds. Golf Carts included practice balls before and
after year round. We're going to have some drinks on
the course. We're going to be working with the San
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Antonio rules officials. We've enlisted the help of Travis Solkowski's
a longtime PGA professional in San Antonio that runs the
San Antonio Amateur Tour series. So I think we're gonna
have a nice crowd in a very competitive event. Cedar
Creek's going to be a fantastic venue for it.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I think there's pros to cons to whatever the answer
is for this next question. So how about do you
want Cedar Creek to be the permanent home of the
City Championship or do you want to move it around?
Speaker 5 (05:11):
No, I think we've kind of locked in for that, Andy.
I think that Cedar Creek is, at least in our
repertoire of courses, is the hardest test, and I think
it kind of separates the best from those who can
potentially get a little fortunate. Now that being said, we
want to have would like to expand the City Championship
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to where it's a flighted event for players of every
ability level.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
So that would mean that.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
The Championship flight or the gross division, if you will,
would be played at Cedar Creek. And then I could
foresee at some point in the future that we have
a first and second flight that plays at almost Basin,
or a third and fourth flight that plays at Willow Springs,
a fourth and fifth flight that plays at Riverside, so
on and so forth, where we can use a full complement
of courses for every ability level.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
What kind of field do you expect? What's the limit?
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Well, one hundred and twenty is for the City Amateur.
I don't think we get there. The last number of
years the City Amateurs has really had not great participation,
and they've had a field of about sixty players. So
if we can exceed that and you're one of us
running it, I'd be thrilled. We've tried to work with
some of the local area clubs to make sure that
they're club championships and their member guests and other city
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and statewide events are not conflicting weekends.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, that's awesome, all right.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
So well, speaking of hard tests, what do you think
last week of Oakmont in the US Open and JJ
Spawn's historic put to win it.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Yeah, I guess the hardest test then, right, I think
we're talking about our hearts. Yea, these guys will be
shooting sixty two's there, boy. I don't know what else
can be said that hasn't been said already. It's just
a really demanding golf course. But I also think that
a lot of the guys didn't have their best stuff either,
and I think maybe it gotten a lot of heads,
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gotten a lot of minds, and they made some poor
swings because it seemed like fairways were a little bit
difficult to find. Unfairries are narrow, of course, but they
they're not as narrow as these guys made them out
to be. So I think a kind of a combination
of things. But JJ Spahn is an awesome winner, and
for him to roll in that birdy pot on the
eighteenth holl or seventy second hole was pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I think the one criticism that I agree with from
the players is that the bunkers are fine, and the
rough is fine, but it's the bunk. It's the rough
on the faces of the bunkers, to where if you
hit it in the rough, at least you have a
level lie you can advance it. But on the like
a face of a bunker is forty five degree angle,
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and should the ball stay in that kind of a liar?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Should it roll back in the bunker?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
And I know that on Tuesday or Wednesday they had
the mowers out there because they were really really high.
They got them down to about four inches, but the
players were talking we'd like to see if the ball,
instead of it's sticking on the hill, it rolls back
into the bunker. Now, they obviously would be easier to
play from the buck on the side of the hill,
and Oakmont probably wants it harder, and so does the USGA,
but I would kind of concur with that.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I think.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
So, I think it's really it's a unique setup, and
I think it's kind of meant to really test the
patience of the players and see what kind of stick
to itiveness they have.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
The golf course is brutally hard with the players.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Want to play that every day of the week and
absolutely not is it good for TV? Maybe maybe not exactly.
So I think it's a fun event. I'm glad it
is what it is and make it hard.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
We'll talk about this a little bit, but I've you know,
you look usually the tournament at bay Hill, the Arnold
Palmer Invitational in Memorial with Jack's Tournament, they narrow the fairways,
they grow the rough and the winning scores eight to
eleven under par, and every other tour event out there
the winning score somewhere between sixteen and twenty. And then
if you go to Hawaii and you go to the
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desert and you get no wind. Those guys on those
golf courses are going to shoot in the high twenties
TPC Craig Ranch. I think the biggest issue with the
Byron Nelson is they can't find a golf course to
put it on. I never did like Blascalinas I had
to play at once and the lot didn't. I was like,
why would you be a member here? I don't like
this golf course. And then they played it at the
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course in South Dallas for a little while, and now
they're at TPC Craig Ranch. And they used to play
it at Preston Trail in the seventies and early eighties
before they moved to Lot Scalinis. And I don't know
if Preston Trail still has exclusive membership or some of
the reasons that they just don't want it. But I
think if the Byron Nelson could find a better venue,
it would have a little bit lower scores as well.
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But it's the players are really really good. And I've
always said this about this goes to me and amateur
players as well. If you play a golf course where
driving accuracy is not important, you're probably going to drive
it pretty well, because.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
You're not tense when you're teeing off.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
When you get to a place like Oakmont and the
fairways or camber till the left of the right rough
and the landing area is very, very small, even the
pros get a little bit nervous and grip the club
a little bit harder and often miss fairways.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Yeah, that's a super good point. Andy.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Actually, one of my buddies that I played with yesterday,
who's a good player, hits it a long, long, long ways.
Playing at Cedar Creek for his first time, he made
that same comment, I don't really know where these exactly
been the bounces I'm going to get, so I'm feeling
a little hesitant off the tee and subsequently made some
bad swings where if he's playing on a more wide
open golf course, he's going to blast it right down
the middle three hundred and twenty five yards.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Scotty Scheffler doesn't play particularly well in any round, still
was in contention if he'd have made a few puts
down the stretch. And then a week later he goes
to Cromwell, Connecticut shoot sixty two. So I don't think
the swing changed. I just think the hands got a
little bit softer on the club.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Yeah, exactly. You know, back to your point about the
Byron Nelson. There's so many great clubs in the Dallas area,
but honestly, don't think the best of the best really
want to host to our event because of the stress
that it takes on the golf course and it shuts
the golf course down for a week or two and
they've grandstands and exclusive memberships.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Don't necessarily always want that.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
We always think about, well, let's go to this golf course,
so let's go here. And I think the USDA. USDA
really had to twist the arm of Pebble Beach when
they made Pebble Beach an acre site because Pebble Beach
has you know, eight or six, what's seventeen times an hour,
four people, twenty eight bucks. They're paying seven hundred dollars
around and they're doing that for ten hours a day
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all year long. That's a huge revenue stream that you're
losing when you have to start waiting for people to
build grandstands and bleachers and the build out and then
shutting down the course a week or two before the open.
And that's why Pebble Beach for years was about an
every ten year event. I played golf in Scotland at
Meerfield this year and was talking to them about when
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when are you going to get it back because it
hasn't been to Merefield since twenty thirteen. When Phil one
and they said, well, honestly, we don't want it that often.
We wanted about once every ten to fifteen years because
the summertime is when our members want to play golf
and this and as long as the Scottish Open is
next door at the Renaissance, the town is packed, the
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hotels are packed, and it's good for the economy, but
it's terrible for the members at the club that are
trying to get to their club to go play golf.
So they like the idea of doing it once every
ten or fifteen years as a special deal, but they
don't want it all the time.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
I could say the same thing probably for Pinehurst in
the US Open too. They like it from the notoriety standpoint,
but those places have plenty of notoriety without the There is.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
A revenue stream to think about. You know, it is
a business after all. This, that's right, Yeah, And it's
kind of really interesting. I think obviously Mirfield's more expensive
than this. But I think one of the coolest things
that I learned in Scotland on this trip that I
really didn't know is that every little community's got a
golf course and it's not expensive to play there. It's
basically part of the community. Everybody congregates there for breakfast,
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lunch and dinner. Everybody goes there for the play cards
or to play you know whatever, maybe dominoes or something
like that. And there's six hundred people in the town
and three hundred and fifty of them are members at
the club, paying five hundred pounds a year to play golf.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Andy, I've only been to Scotland, wants to play and
you probably need both hands in a foot I'd probably
count the visits you you've taken. But I think if
if every golfer had the opportunity to go to Scotland
to play golf, they would have a totally different appreciation.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
For the game.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Well, and I wish and I understand that we do
things differently here, but the biggest deterrent for me going
in the future is walking. And it's not that I'm
not in shape to walk two or three miles or
even seven or eight, but to walk seven or eight
miles and play good golf no matter what. My I
wasn't ever physically tired, but I had no legs on them,
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especially about rounds eight, nine, ten and eleven when you
get to the end of those rounds, because you're you're
just not used to make that much walking. Put in
that particular part of the world, they walk everywhere. Parking
is scarce, so you park your car and you don't
dare leave because you're not going to get your parking
space back. And if it's within a mile or two miles,
they're probably walking to wherever they're going.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Andy, you're being far too humble.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
I see in the gym a couple of days a
week and you've got plenty of plenty of strength there
to walk all around the place. But I think to
your point, yeah, it's doing all the other stuff, but
then doing it back to back to back to back
to back to back. And that's what the people like
when they take those big trips in Scotland, they just
play every day for a week or so.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
All Right, we've got more to get to, including Scotty
and JT and Rory at Hartford in the Travelers Championship,
Tommy Fleetwood trying to win the first time in the USA,
the signature events, and Jordan Speith had to withdraw. We'll
get all those topics the Golf Show on the Ticket
Hi everyone, It's Andy Everett. Enjoy this podcast version of
The Golf Show from sports Radio AM seven sixty.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
The Ticket.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Now from sports Radio AM seven sixty to the Ticket.
This is another edition of The Golf Show. The Golf
Show brought to you by MK Golf Tech, Joe Caruso's
Golf Academy, and by Alamo City Golf Trail.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Now on the first t Andy Everett.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Here we go this Saturday morning, talking golf for the
next hour, and thank you for spending your morning with
us as you head to the golf course or get
your breakfast or coffee and start thinking about all the
golf news from the week. Andrew Peterson from the Alamo
City Golf Trail joins us this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Good morning, Andrew, and I know.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
That people are excited about the trail these days, and
the golf courses are greening up and looking good.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Right now, let me see what Mike he're on here.
Let's try that one morning. Thanks you. There we go.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
I'm finally here, finally here, exactly surrific. Thanks for having
me Andy, always a pleasure to be here. Appreciate talking
golf with you. And yeah, I'm pretty polish on the
animal City Golf Trail Right now, Mother nature's been good,
sunshine's been great, golf courses are rounding into form, and
we're as busy as ever.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
We told you, you know, back in March and April.
When mother nature decides to go up and down and sideways,
it's hard to grow grass and it's hard to do
a lot of things, and you do the best you can.
But as soon as that sun gets out and we
get those ninety degree temperatures and the rain that it's
been out there for the last few weeks, things get
much better, much quicker.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Yeah, And I certainly appreciate the patience of the public.
We stubbed our toe a little bit this spring, but
those woes are behind us, and I guess that's the
reason they say the windshields bigger than the review mirror.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Lots of rain. How has it helped you and how
has it deterred what you like to do this time
of the year.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Well, yeah, of course, rain is always good, and we're
thankful for it, but I wish it would come in
smaller doses. We got what four or five, six, seven
inches of rain kind of across the city in various
areas last week and honestly, I would rather have it
half an inch a week. The excess rain just causes
more damage than it does good. As far as ground saturation,
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it doesn't penetrate any more than a half an inch would.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
So when we get those big.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Flooding events, particularly at Willow Springs, which is closed thankfully,
but also it hurt us there. Almost Base and Brackenridge
got a little bit, Northern Hills got a little bit.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
It just takes time and effort to get that stuff
cleaned up.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
How's the regressing project at Willow going, Well.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
I'm happy you asked. I'm really thrilled with where that's going.
I think we're gonna have a fantastic golf course, really
really solid conditions. My hope is that we're five weeks
away from yesterday, so that puts us Ad July twenty
fifth for an opening. We would open that Friday, and
we'd probably be a few holes in our cart path
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only a little bit difficult to tell now, but the
greens are really coming in well, and we're just going
to be kind of waiting on some fairways to fill
in over the next few weeks.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
One of the things that you have to protect when
the weather gets as hot as it is, is the
greens and making sure they don't burn out. You don't
want to have to do like they do on big
grass greens where you're constantly syringing them and so. And
I guess there were some people that I saw, and
you mentioned it that the greens may be a little
bit slower right now, But I played Mission last week
and I didn't feel.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Like that they were overly slow.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Well, I think that's somewhat arbitrary, right, I think that
we all like to play fast greens. We like the
illusion of fast greens. But I was telling me I
played at Cedar Creek yesterday, and if the greens there
are really really fast, pace of play gets substantially worse
than it already can be there. So we're trying to
protect the turf, the health, the longevity. So if turf
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conditions are healthy, that's kind of what we're after.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Green speeds are secondary.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
But now that the turf is really healthy, I think
we can start working on speeds.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Speaking of Cedar Creek, I saw a Facebook post from
you all this week that that's where the City Championship
will be held at the end of July. And I
know you're looking forward to that almost sey golf trail,
taking over the City Championship and trying to make it
better and bigger each and every year.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
So talk about going to Cedar for.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
This, Yeah, it's the City Amateur.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
The men's City Amateur will be held at Cedar Creek
July twenty fifth, twenty sixth, and twenty seventh. We also
get to the host the Women's Senior Amateur and the
Senior Amateur. Those will be held at Riverside in September,
but the event in July, certainly we're expecting the best
of the best to play in that. San Antonio has
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got a bunch of really good players. The entry fee
is and really all inclusive, whereas when the Golf San
Antonio group is running it, you kind of had to
pay as you went to a certain degree. So it's
going to include a practice round the week of the
three tournament rounds. Golf Carts included practice balls before and
after year round. We're going to have some drinks on
the course. We're going to be working with the San
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Antonio rules officials. We've enlisted the help of Travis Solkowski's
a longtime PGA professional in San Antonio that runs the
San Antonio Amateur Tour series. So I think we're gonna
have a nice crowd in a very competitive event. Cedar
Creek's going to be a fantastic venue for it.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I think there's pros to cons to whatever the answer
is for this next question. So how about do you
want Cedar Creek to be the permanent home of the
City Championship or do you want to move it around?
Speaker 5 (05:11):
No, I think we've kind of locked in for that, Andy.
I think that Cedar Creek is, at least in our
repertoire of courses, is the hardest test, and I think
it kind of separates the best from those who can
potentially get a little fortunate. Now that being said, we
want to have would like to expand the City Championship
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to where it's a flighted event for players of every
ability level.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
So that would mean that.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
The Championship flight or the gross division, if you will,
would be played at Cedar Creek. And then I could
foresee at some point in the future that we have
a first and second flight that plays at almost Basin,
or a third and fourth flight that plays at Willow Springs,
a fourth and fifth flight that plays at Riverside, so
on and so forth, where we can use a full complement
of courses for every ability level.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
What kind of field do you expect? What's the limit?
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Well, one hundred and twenty is for the City Amateur.
I don't think we get there. The last number of
years the City Amateurs has really had not great participation,
and they've had a field of about sixty players. So
if we can exceed that and you're one of us
running it, I'd be thrilled. We've tried to work with
some of the local area clubs to make sure that
they're club championships and their member guests and other city
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and statewide events are not conflicting weekends.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, that's awesome, all right.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
So well, speaking of hard tests, what do you think
last week of Oakmont in the US Open and JJ
Spawn's historic put to win it.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Yeah, I guess the hardest test then, right, I think
we're talking about our hearts. Yea, these guys will be
shooting sixty two's there, boy. I don't know what else
can be said that hasn't been said already. It's just
a really demanding golf course. But I also think that
a lot of the guys didn't have their best stuff either,
and I think maybe it gotten a lot of heads,
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gotten a lot of minds, and they made some poor
swings because it seemed like fairways were a little bit
difficult to find. Unfairries are narrow, of course, but they
they're not as narrow as these guys made them out
to be. So I think a kind of a combination
of things. But JJ Spahn is an awesome winner, and
for him to roll in that birdy pot on the
eighteenth holl or seventy second hole was pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I think the one criticism that I agree with from
the players is that the bunkers are fine, and the
rough is fine, but it's the bunk. It's the rough
on the faces of the bunkers, to where if you
hit it in the rough, at least you have a
level lie you can advance it. But on the like
a face of a bunker is forty five degree angle,
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and should the ball stay in that kind of a liar?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Should it roll back in the bunker?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
And I know that on Tuesday or Wednesday they had
the mowers out there because they were really really high.
They got them down to about four inches, but the
players were talking we'd like to see if the ball,
instead of it's sticking on the hill, it rolls back
into the bunker. Now, they obviously would be easier to
play from the buck on the side of the hill,
and Oakmont probably wants it harder, and so does the USGA,
but I would kind of concur with that.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I think.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
So, I think it's really it's a unique setup, and
I think it's kind of meant to really test the
patience of the players and see what kind of stick
to itiveness they have.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
The golf course is brutally hard with the players.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Want to play that every day of the week and
absolutely not is it good for TV? Maybe maybe not exactly.
So I think it's a fun event. I'm glad it
is what it is and make it hard.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
We'll talk about this a little bit, but I've you know,
you look usually the tournament at bay Hill, the Arnold
Palmer Invitational in Memorial with Jack's Tournament, they narrow the fairways,
they grow the rough and the winning scores eight to
eleven under par, and every other tour event out there
the winning score somewhere between sixteen and twenty. And then
if you go to Hawaii and you go to the
(08:45):
desert and you get no wind. Those guys on those
golf courses are going to shoot in the high twenties
TPC Craig Ranch. I think the biggest issue with the
Byron Nelson is they can't find a golf course to
put it on. I never did like Blascalinas I had
to play at once and the lot didn't. I was like,
why would you be a member here? I don't like
this golf course. And then they played it at the
(09:07):
course in South Dallas for a little while, and now
they're at TPC Craig Ranch. And they used to play
it at Preston Trail in the seventies and early eighties
before they moved to Lot Scalinis. And I don't know
if Preston Trail still has exclusive membership or some of
the reasons that they just don't want it. But I
think if the Byron Nelson could find a better venue,
it would have a little bit lower scores as well.
(09:28):
But it's the players are really really good. And I've
always said this about this goes to me and amateur
players as well. If you play a golf course where
driving accuracy is not important, you're probably going to drive
it pretty well, because.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
You're not tense when you're teeing off.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
When you get to a place like Oakmont and the
fairways or camber till the left of the right rough
and the landing area is very, very small, even the
pros get a little bit nervous and grip the club
a little bit harder and often miss fairways.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Yeah, that's a super good point. Andy.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Actually, one of my buddies that I played with yesterday,
who's a good player, hits it a long, long, long ways.
Playing at Cedar Creek for his first time, he made
that same comment, I don't really know where these exactly
been the bounces I'm going to get, so I'm feeling
a little hesitant off the tee and subsequently made some
bad swings where if he's playing on a more wide
open golf course, he's going to blast it right down
the middle three hundred and twenty five yards.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Scotty Scheffler doesn't play particularly well in any round, still
was in contention if he'd have made a few puts
down the stretch. And then a week later he goes
to Cromwell, Connecticut shoot sixty two. So I don't think
the swing changed. I just think the hands got a
little bit softer on the club.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Yeah, exactly. You know, back to your point about the
Byron Nelson. There's so many great clubs in the Dallas area,
but honestly, don't think the best of the best really
want to host to our event because of the stress
that it takes on the golf course and it shuts
the golf course down for a week or two and
they've grandstands and exclusive memberships.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Don't necessarily always want that.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
We always think about, well, let's go to this golf course,
so let's go here. And I think the USDA. USDA
really had to twist the arm of Pebble Beach when
they made Pebble Beach an acre site because Pebble Beach
has you know, eight or six, what's seventeen times an hour,
four people, twenty eight bucks. They're paying seven hundred dollars
around and they're doing that for ten hours a day
(11:14):
all year long. That's a huge revenue stream that you're
losing when you have to start waiting for people to
build grandstands and bleachers and the build out and then
shutting down the course a week or two before the open.
And that's why Pebble Beach for years was about an
every ten year event. I played golf in Scotland at
Meerfield this year and was talking to them about when
(11:35):
when are you going to get it back because it
hasn't been to Merefield since twenty thirteen. When Phil one
and they said, well, honestly, we don't want it that often.
We wanted about once every ten to fifteen years because
the summertime is when our members want to play golf
and this and as long as the Scottish Open is
next door at the Renaissance, the town is packed, the
(11:55):
hotels are packed, and it's good for the economy, but
it's terrible for the members at the club that are
trying to get to their club to go play golf.
So they like the idea of doing it once every
ten or fifteen years as a special deal, but they
don't want it all the time.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
I could say the same thing probably for Pinehurst in
the US Open too. They like it from the notoriety standpoint,
but those places have plenty of notoriety without the There is.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
A revenue stream to think about. You know, it is
a business after all. This, that's right, Yeah, And it's
kind of really interesting. I think obviously Mirfield's more expensive
than this. But I think one of the coolest things
that I learned in Scotland on this trip that I
really didn't know is that every little community's got a
golf course and it's not expensive to play there. It's
basically part of the community. Everybody congregates there for breakfast,
(12:41):
lunch and dinner. Everybody goes there for the play cards
or to play you know whatever, maybe dominoes or something
like that. And there's six hundred people in the town
and three hundred and fifty of them are members at
the club, paying five hundred pounds a year to play golf.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Andy, I've only been to Scotland, wants to play and
you probably need both hands in a foot I'd probably
count the visits you you've taken. But I think if
if every golfer had the opportunity to go to Scotland
to play golf, they would have a totally different appreciation.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
For the game.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Well, and I wish and I understand that we do
things differently here, but the biggest deterrent for me going
in the future is walking. And it's not that I'm
not in shape to walk two or three miles or
even seven or eight, but to walk seven or eight
miles and play good golf no matter what. My I
wasn't ever physically tired, but I had no legs on them,
(13:31):
especially about rounds eight, nine, ten and eleven when you
get to the end of those rounds, because you're you're
just not used to make that much walking. Put in
that particular part of the world, they walk everywhere. Parking
is scarce, so you park your car and you don't
dare leave because you're not going to get your parking
space back. And if it's within a mile or two miles,
they're probably walking to wherever they're going.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Andy, you're being far too humble.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
I see in the gym a couple of days a
week and you've got plenty of plenty of strength there
to walk all around the place. But I think to
your point, yeah, it's doing all the other stuff, but
then doing it back to back to back to back
to back to back. And that's what the people like
when they take those big trips in Scotland, they just
play every day for a week or so.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
All Right, we've got more to get to, including Scotty
and JT and Rory at Hartford in the Travelers Championship,
Tommy Fleetwood trying to win the first time in the USA,
the signature events, and Jordan Speith had to withdraw. We'll
get all those topics the Golf Show on the Ticket
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