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Speaker 1 (00:02):
All right, it's a golf show on the ticket.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
One of my adventures in Scotland this year was to
play up in the Highlands and we played two golf
courses up there. One of them is Fort Ros and
Rose Marquee, and the town of Fort Ross is like
going to Pipe Creek.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
There's not very many people that live there.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
There's seven hundred people in town and four hundred of
them are members at the club. And ironically, a long
lost cousin of mine actually lives in Fort ROAs and
I didn't even know that until a few weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
But a few.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Miles north of there is a golf course called Royal
Dornick and Tom Watson once said it was his favorite
golf course in the world, and it's certainly in probably
my top three or four of golf courses in the
world that I've played. It's absolutely beautiful. We had a
really really windy day, so it's tough to play there.
But they're in the process of building a new clubhouse,
and then they're also in the process they just acquired
(00:53):
more land. They have a like us, a little smaller
golf course what do you call them for seniors, kind
of a like a.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
A short course.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Basically, it's not par threes, but like there's a word
for it, but I can't think of it right now.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Both of us are stumped on that.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
But it's the part fours are two hundred and fifty
yards long and the par five's are three hundred and
seventy five, and it's there are maybe they're all par
fours and par three's maybe one par five on it,
but they're gonna expand that and turn it into a
bigger golf course and a driving range. And the town
of Dornick is tiny.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I mean you don't.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
You just drive through it and there's like one street
and maybe a couple of side streets.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I don't even know how many people live there.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
But if you ever get a chance to go to
Scotland and you're okay with getting to the Highlands, which
is kind of a hike from Edinburgh, it's about four
and a half five hours from Edinburgh and three and
a half to four hours from Saint Andrews, it is
well worth going up there.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
And there's fifty other golf courses that are on the list.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Castle Stewart's probably got the biggest name. It's now owned
by the Cabot company. But Royal Dornick has had this
little tiny golf shop for about one hundred years and
now they're going big time.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I think executive courses exactly that we were after there.
But I had a lot of those courses on the list.
We were going to go for my fiftieth birthday a
couple of years ago, and then I got sick and
we had to cancel the trip.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
So I'm I'm pining to get back.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
And hopefully my wife is listening, so she's gonna get
plenty get that trippery booked for. Yeah, I think you
know so many of the legendary courses lots of Americans
know about because they see it once a summer when
the British Open is being played. But to your point, Andy,
I'm sure there's so many great little golf courses that
(02:36):
no one's ever heard about that are a.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Lot of a lot of times off the radar screen.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
For place for there, well, we stayed in North Berrick
for four days and obviously in the North Berrick area
you have the north Berry golf course, very famous. If
you've ever watched the movie Tommy's Honor, they played a
match there's it's an absolutely fantastic golf course, and another
one that's in my top five. It's right down the
road from your Field, which gets all the acho for
its history at the Open Championship. And then you've got
(03:03):
the Renaissance right next to it and a course called
Archerfield who have gotten a lot of play. But just
down the road, probably about three quarters of a mile
to the east of North Berwick, is a golf club
called the Glen and I saw pictures of it online.
I said, well, we need an inexpensive golf course in
between some of the more expensive ones. I think it
(03:24):
was an eighty five or ninety pound round of golf.
We booked that and the only downside to that day
was the wind was blowing forty and it rained off
and on and it was kind of cool. But the
golf course was spectacular and if you do their research
you can find a lot of golf courses like that
that are really hidden gyms and kind of amazing. Now,
(03:46):
I'll tell you one thing that I learned over there
that I've found interesting. When we were playing the Castle course,
we're talking to the caddies and the caddies were starting
to squizz me on if I knew some of the
other golf courses in the area, and there's the St
Andrews area, there's Eleven Links, London Links, Lady Bank Craile,
Golf House of Ely, just these kind of hidden gym
(04:08):
golf courses. And he said, you know, ten years ago
you could play those golf courses for forty pounds, fifty pounds,
maybe sixty pounds, and nobody came because the perceived value
of them, well they're not very good because they're only
charging fifty pounds and the old course is charging two hundred.
So they all got collectively together and doubled their price
and now they're sold out because now people have a
(04:30):
perceived value for them. And I actually booked those golf
courses that I mentioned. In the North Barrick area was
the Glen and Kilspindey and in the Aberdeen area it
was Montrose and I played Golf House of Ely on
the last trip and Fort Ros and Roast Markey. I
booked those rounds seven eight months in advance, and you
have to now if you want.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
To play them.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Smart marketing department there they figured it out, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
But it's exciting to see what Royal Dornick is doing there,
all right. There's one thing I'm going to suggest, though,
I don't know if I want to drive anymore in Scotland.
I've done it twice now I say I did it.
But driving on the left side of the road is
different in if you have any anxiety whatsoever, and I
(05:18):
don't have much, but I develop some driving on the
left side of the road.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Well, I think it's driving in the right side of
the car on the left side of the road.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Another dynamic on narrow roads in a big van.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Yeah, I've checked that one off on my list too,
and probably don't need to repeat that as well.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
All right.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
The Rory McElroy chimed in on a couple of things.
He chimed in on the signature events and he said,
and I love Roy, but I think sometimes he just
talks out both sides of his mouth and doesn't realize
what he's saying. He said, I really like the signature events,
but they're too compacted. Here we are in June and
we're playing our last signature event. I'm like, well, Rory, July,
(05:56):
you got to play Scottish and British Open and August.
It's the FedEx Cup in September, the Ryder Cup, and
the season's over, so you have to compact the signature events.
There's got to be one in February, there's got to
be two in March. There's got to be two in April,
in May. I don't know that the calendar is ever
going to go to thirteen or fourteen months so that
you can kind of spread all this out.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I just have to pull up my mini violin and
play it for these guys. They play too much golf,
and they play for too much money. It's just such
a tough light. Yeah, it's a really tough life. Did
you ever see the movie? It was back in the
eighties and Randy Quaid was in it. It was called
Dead Solid Perfect. Yeah, and he's.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
The divorced, separated from his wife, and he's courting anybody
that will allow him to court them. I don't even
remember who the actress was, but he says to her,
you know this PGA to her, life is a tough one.
You got to hang out in fancy resorts, drive courtesy cars,
eat free food, and play for a lot of money.
A lot of people can't handle that.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
So my buddy Hinnauto Davila that owns the dead solid
perfect driving range on Blanco. It's named after that movie,
so I'll a shout out to him for that.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
That's pretty awesome, all right. We're seeing a few players
on tour. I think Phil kind of started this a
little while ago, but they're instead of having a threewood
or maybe a five wood, they have their regular driver,
but then they have what is now being referred to
as a mini driver. And I have a friend who
has one and used it quite efficiently better than his
(07:24):
regular driver when we were in Scotland, and he's probably
listing this morning, but the mini driver was good for
him because not only could he hit it in the
air and straight and pretty far too, but it.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Was a good fairway finder.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Basically, it's a twelve or thirteen degree club with a
driver head, not the three wood head or a five woodhead,
So you got the bigger head with a bigger loft,
maybe a tad shorter than the driver and it's a
little bit easier golf club to hit. And maybe some
of us should consider using that when we can't find
the driver and find it on the golf course somewhere.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yeah, the tour prosent are using that, Andy, what do
you think they're removing from their bag?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Then?
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Are they pulling out a three wood?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I would think so, yeah, because I think now they
can hit the seven wood or the five woods so far.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I mean pros are hit five woods two seventy five
and seven woods two fifty so and they can get
the ball in the air faster with those clubs, and
they can a three wood, so if they have some,
and I think the two wood is probably replacing what
Jack Nicholas when he used a one iron, or golfers
who have a driving iron. That's where I would think
that that two wood would come into play.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Well, I'm sure a lot of the guys travel with
that club.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
And then based on what that course is going to
call for for the week, you know, fairway bunkers, narrowing fairways,
those types of things where they don't want to hit
it three twenty five, they only want to hit it
two ninety.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
They've got that option.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah, only two ninetyka, that would be a great there,
all right. Colin Marikawa talked about his story and he
did do this. He did this for about nine holes
I think in a recent tournament and maybe it was
last week at the Open where he went and did
not play with a golf glove, and he said, this
is the first time in my life I played around
without a glove, and so I just kind of tried
(09:03):
it and it kind of worked okay. Now, the players
that I remember, the most famous player that never wore
a glove was Fred Couples. And Fred grew up in
the Seattle area where it rained all the time, so
every time he'd buy a glove, it'd be ruined after
the round. And when you were a kid and couldn't
afford to spend that much money on gloves all the time,
he just said, you forget it, I'll just play without it.
(09:23):
And I've the only time I've ever tried to play
without a glove. Back in the mid to early nineties,
you could get leather wrapped grips and they were genuine leather,
and then the company that did it quit making the grips,
and then the replacement company that took it over didn't
make them as good. But I don't know that I'd
(09:44):
want to play golf without a glove. There's sometimes I
can hit a chip shotter and I certainly put with
that one but what do you think about going gloveless.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Yeah, I'll have to watch that, Andy.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I don't know what kind of grips he's got, and
I think it really, really that would predicate on whether
or not you could play without a glove. I could not,
but I I like to hit little pitch shots and
certainly put without a glove too, but hard in the
state of Texas where you're going to perspire a lot.
In fact, most players in Texas have multiple, multiple gloves
kind of wrapped around their carts or their their bag
(10:14):
so they can rotate through the course of a rounds.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
So yeah, good from all more Kama.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
All right, I've got a Tiger story to share with you,
update on the Hartford the Travelers leader board, and a
couple other things to finish up the show. Next it's
a golf show on the ticket
All right, it's a golf show on the ticket.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
One of my adventures in Scotland this year was to
play up in the Highlands and we played two golf
courses up there. One of them is Fort Ros and
Rose Marquee, and the town of Fort Ross is like
going to Pipe Creek.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
There's not very many people that live there.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
There's seven hundred people in town and four hundred of
them are members at the club. And ironically, a long
lost cousin of mine actually lives in Fort ROAs and
I didn't even know that until a few weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
But a few.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Miles north of there is a golf course called Royal
Dornick and Tom Watson once said it was his favorite
golf course in the world, and it's certainly in probably
my top three or four of golf courses in the
world that I've played. It's absolutely beautiful. We had a
really really windy day, so it's tough to play there.
But they're in the process of building a new clubhouse,
and then they're also in the process they just acquired
(00:53):
more land. They have a like us, a little smaller
golf course what do you call them for seniors, kind
of a like a.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
A short course.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Basically, it's not par threes, but like there's a word
for it, but I can't think of it right now.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Both of us are stumped on that.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
But it's the part fours are two hundred and fifty
yards long and the par five's are three hundred and
seventy five, and it's there are maybe they're all par
fours and par three's maybe one par five on it,
but they're gonna expand that and turn it into a
bigger golf course and a driving range. And the town
of Dornick is tiny.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I mean you don't.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
You just drive through it and there's like one street
and maybe a couple of side streets.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I don't even know how many people live there.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
But if you ever get a chance to go to
Scotland and you're okay with getting to the Highlands, which
is kind of a hike from Edinburgh, it's about four
and a half five hours from Edinburgh and three and
a half to four hours from Saint Andrews, it is
well worth going up there.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
And there's fifty other golf courses that are on the list.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Castle Stewart's probably got the biggest name. It's now owned
by the Cabot company. But Royal Dornick has had this
little tiny golf shop for about one hundred years and
now they're going big time.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I think executive courses exactly that we were after there.
But I had a lot of those courses on the list.
We were going to go for my fiftieth birthday a
couple of years ago, and then I got sick and
we had to cancel the trip.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
So I'm I'm pining to get back.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
And hopefully my wife is listening, so she's gonna get
plenty get that trippery booked for. Yeah, I think you
know so many of the legendary courses lots of Americans
know about because they see it once a summer when
the British Open is being played. But to your point, Andy,
I'm sure there's so many great little golf courses that
(02:36):
no one's ever heard about that are a.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Lot of a lot of times off the radar screen.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
For place for there, well, we stayed in North Berrick
for four days and obviously in the North Berrick area
you have the north Berry golf course, very famous. If
you've ever watched the movie Tommy's Honor, they played a
match there's it's an absolutely fantastic golf course, and another
one that's in my top five. It's right down the
road from your Field, which gets all the acho for
its history at the Open Championship. And then you've got
(03:03):
the Renaissance right next to it and a course called
Archerfield who have gotten a lot of play. But just
down the road, probably about three quarters of a mile
to the east of North Berwick, is a golf club
called the Glen and I saw pictures of it online.
I said, well, we need an inexpensive golf course in
between some of the more expensive ones. I think it
(03:24):
was an eighty five or ninety pound round of golf.
We booked that and the only downside to that day
was the wind was blowing forty and it rained off
and on and it was kind of cool. But the
golf course was spectacular and if you do their research
you can find a lot of golf courses like that
that are really hidden gyms and kind of amazing. Now,
(03:46):
I'll tell you one thing that I learned over there
that I've found interesting. When we were playing the Castle course,
we're talking to the caddies and the caddies were starting
to squizz me on if I knew some of the
other golf courses in the area, and there's the St
Andrews area, there's Eleven Links, London Links, Lady Bank Craile,
Golf House of Ely, just these kind of hidden gym
(04:08):
golf courses. And he said, you know, ten years ago
you could play those golf courses for forty pounds, fifty pounds,
maybe sixty pounds, and nobody came because the perceived value
of them, well they're not very good because they're only
charging fifty pounds and the old course is charging two hundred.
So they all got collectively together and doubled their price
and now they're sold out because now people have a
(04:30):
perceived value for them. And I actually booked those golf
courses that I mentioned. In the North Barrick area was
the Glen and Kilspindey and in the Aberdeen area it
was Montrose and I played Golf House of Ely on
the last trip and Fort Ros and Roast Markey. I
booked those rounds seven eight months in advance, and you
have to now if you want.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
To play them.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Smart marketing department there they figured it out, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
But it's exciting to see what Royal Dornick is doing there,
all right. There's one thing I'm going to suggest, though,
I don't know if I want to drive anymore in Scotland.
I've done it twice now I say I did it.
But driving on the left side of the road is
different in if you have any anxiety whatsoever, and I
(05:18):
don't have much, but I develop some driving on the
left side of the road.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Well, I think it's driving in the right side of
the car on the left side of the road.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Another dynamic on narrow roads in a big van.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Yeah, I've checked that one off on my list too,
and probably don't need to repeat that as well.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
All right.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
The Rory McElroy chimed in on a couple of things.
He chimed in on the signature events and he said,
and I love Roy, but I think sometimes he just
talks out both sides of his mouth and doesn't realize
what he's saying. He said, I really like the signature events,
but they're too compacted. Here we are in June and
we're playing our last signature event. I'm like, well, Rory, July,
(05:56):
you got to play Scottish and British Open and August.
It's the FedEx Cup in September, the Ryder Cup, and
the season's over, so you have to compact the signature events.
There's got to be one in February, there's got to
be two in March. There's got to be two in April,
in May. I don't know that the calendar is ever
going to go to thirteen or fourteen months so that
you can kind of spread all this out.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I just have to pull up my mini violin and
play it for these guys. They play too much golf,
and they play for too much money. It's just such
a tough light. Yeah, it's a really tough life. Did
you ever see the movie? It was back in the
eighties and Randy Quaid was in it. It was called
Dead Solid Perfect. Yeah, and he's.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
The divorced, separated from his wife, and he's courting anybody
that will allow him to court them. I don't even
remember who the actress was, but he says to her,
you know this PGA to her, life is a tough one.
You got to hang out in fancy resorts, drive courtesy cars,
eat free food, and play for a lot of money.
A lot of people can't handle that.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
So my buddy Hinnauto Davila that owns the dead solid
perfect driving range on Blanco. It's named after that movie,
so I'll a shout out to him for that.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
That's pretty awesome, all right. We're seeing a few players
on tour. I think Phil kind of started this a
little while ago, but they're instead of having a threewood
or maybe a five wood, they have their regular driver,
but then they have what is now being referred to
as a mini driver. And I have a friend who
has one and used it quite efficiently better than his
(07:24):
regular driver when we were in Scotland, and he's probably
listing this morning, but the mini driver was good for
him because not only could he hit it in the
air and straight and pretty far too, but it.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Was a good fairway finder.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Basically, it's a twelve or thirteen degree club with a
driver head, not the three wood head or a five woodhead,
So you got the bigger head with a bigger loft,
maybe a tad shorter than the driver and it's a
little bit easier golf club to hit. And maybe some
of us should consider using that when we can't find
the driver and find it on the golf course somewhere.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yeah, the tour prosent are using that, Andy, what do
you think they're removing from their bag?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Then?
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Are they pulling out a three wood?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I would think so, yeah, because I think now they
can hit the seven wood or the five woods so far.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I mean pros are hit five woods two seventy five
and seven woods two fifty so and they can get
the ball in the air faster with those clubs, and
they can a three wood, so if they have some,
and I think the two wood is probably replacing what
Jack Nicholas when he used a one iron, or golfers
who have a driving iron. That's where I would think
that that two wood would come into play.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Well, I'm sure a lot of the guys travel with
that club.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
And then based on what that course is going to
call for for the week, you know, fairway bunkers, narrowing fairways,
those types of things where they don't want to hit
it three twenty five, they only want to hit it
two ninety.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
They've got that option.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah, only two ninetyka, that would be a great there,
all right. Colin Marikawa talked about his story and he
did do this. He did this for about nine holes
I think in a recent tournament and maybe it was
last week at the Open where he went and did
not play with a golf glove, and he said, this
is the first time in my life I played around
without a glove, and so I just kind of tried
(09:03):
it and it kind of worked okay. Now, the players
that I remember, the most famous player that never wore
a glove was Fred Couples. And Fred grew up in
the Seattle area where it rained all the time, so
every time he'd buy a glove, it'd be ruined after
the round. And when you were a kid and couldn't
afford to spend that much money on gloves all the time,
he just said, you forget it, I'll just play without it.
(09:23):
And I've the only time I've ever tried to play
without a glove. Back in the mid to early nineties,
you could get leather wrapped grips and they were genuine leather,
and then the company that did it quit making the grips,
and then the replacement company that took it over didn't
make them as good. But I don't know that I'd
(09:44):
want to play golf without a glove. There's sometimes I
can hit a chip shotter and I certainly put with
that one but what do you think about going gloveless.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Yeah, I'll have to watch that, Andy.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I don't know what kind of grips he's got, and
I think it really, really that would predicate on whether
or not you could play without a glove. I could not,
but I I like to hit little pitch shots and
certainly put without a glove too, but hard in the
state of Texas where you're going to perspire a lot.
In fact, most players in Texas have multiple, multiple gloves
kind of wrapped around their carts or their their bag
(10:14):
so they can rotate through the course of a rounds.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
So yeah, good from all more Kama.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
All right, I've got a Tiger story to share with you,
update on the Hartford the Travelers leader board, and a
couple other things to finish up the show. Next it's
a golf show on the ticket
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