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Speaker 1 (00:04):
All right, it's say thirty four.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
It is the Golf show on the ticket taking you
out to wherever you're playing golf today. I hope you
have a fabulous time. I made a putter change sometime whenever.
It was last fall, I think, and I'd been a
ping guy for a long time, but I needed some
more technology. I went to the even roll putter. We
bit that putter to my liking, as flat as we
(00:26):
could make it without breaking it. And I did not
put well on this trip. And I've kind of been
streaky with the putter. I've had moments where it's been great,
and I've had moments where it has not been. So
as much as people think about getting fit for a driver,
let's remember you use that probably fourteen times a day
at the most, as much as we get used for irons,
(00:48):
because we're hitting an iron shot into every hole. We
use that putter usually or hopefully less than thirty times,
but for many somewhat more than that. So let's go
through putter fitting and some of the things that you know,
you guys look for when you're trying to put somebody
in the right putter.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Yeah, so first things first, what I like to do
is just watch the the golfer roll a few putts,
just just watching them, you know, roll with their current
gamer putter. We use an app, so we basically put
a phone on your actual putter and it tracks your
(01:28):
exact stroke. So we need to identify what type of
stroke does the individual have. Are they kind of a
straight back straight through? What does their tempo look like?
Where are their hands at impact? Are they adding lofty lofting?
Are they upright? Are they flat? So there's a lot
of factors the tempo of the stroke that go into
(01:49):
and once we have that data, then we can kind
of narrow just like if you were to get a
driver fitting or an iron fitting, we're trying to see
kind of what category you fall into. From there, we
can just eliminate probably eighty percent of the putters out there.
Now we've kind of zoned into where we're gonna be
From there, it's about identifying the putter. You're talking about
(02:11):
all kinds of different alignment, you know, we want to
make sure that the individual has good fundamentals. I'm a
big believer in you can put all day long, and
if you're not set up correctly from the get go,
you're behind the eight ball, So we want to make
sure you can aim it where you think you're aiming
it consistently, and then return that putter right back to
(02:34):
square so that we're hitting it on our intended line.
And then we have all kinds of different faces, whether
it's a milled face, a soft insert, so we can
play with speed, we can play with weight, we can
play with forgiveness, move weight away from the head higher MOI,
so on if you're someone who mishits puts a lot.
And then the last thing we do, we'll get a
(02:55):
slow motion camera and look at how that ball is
rolling off the face. You know, twelve to eighteen inches.
Are we launching it up in the air, we jamming
it into the ground. We want that ball to launch
with just ever so slightly a little bit of loft
and get rolling quickly so it's not bouncing, and that's
what creates consistency.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Well, and I had had Dave Stockton on the show
fifteen plus years ago, and Michael Lomano was with us
that day as well out of Oak Hills when he
was explaining how he puts. I changed the way I
putted at that time. And one of the things that
Dave Stockton always said was do you need to have
a little bit of your weight a little bit more
like fifty five forty five or maybe sixty forty on
(03:38):
your left leg. And I kind of learned to lean
into the putt a little bit to where the putter.
If you don't know, putters have loft, they may be
one or two degrees, but they have some or four,
but they have some semblans of loft. And what he
wanted to do was for that club to be de
lofted a little bit so that the ball got off
to a good roll. And I immediately started rolling the
(03:59):
ball back. But with my hands have always been slightly
in front of the ball when I putt. But with
the current putter that I have order for that putter
to be flat on the ground and impact, my hands
now have to be behind and I hate putting that way,
and most of my misses.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Are left there are pulled putts.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
So if somebody is pulling a lot of putts, what
changes need to be made in the putter itself in
order to hopefully prevent that? Because I don't know that
I can change the stroke after fifty years.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Well, I think you have to there's a number of factors. So,
like I, all start with fundamentals. So where are your
eyes relative to the ball?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Slightly behind it, not right on top, but just a
little bit behind.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Okay, and that's good.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
That's where you want to be directly over the ball,
to slightly inside the ball, and also maybe slightly behind
the ball, not out in front of the ball. We
wouldn't want to shoot a gun or a basketball or
anything where we're standing, you know, on one side or
the other too far. It's can be hard to be
consistently accurate. So you want to make sure you're in
a good setup position. So that's number one, and then
number two going back to the type of stroke. If
(05:03):
you're pulling putts a lot, you know, maybe you've got
a stroke that would be better for something with a
lot of toe hang, which is going to help you
if you're a big you know, in a big arc
type stroke, I.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Would say on media Marc our flight Arc I would agree, we.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Would want to see where what are you doing with
your face and if if your face is closed, you know,
we may look at something with a little more toe
hang that's gonna gonna help correct that.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Or you and you could play with the li angle
as well. It may, it's sort of. I mean, it's
basically the same as iron li angles. If you've got
to club this too flat, it's probably going to go
going right.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
If it's too upright, it's going to go left.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
I mean, it's the same theory really with a putter,
just on a smaller scale.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Probably probably look at ball position a little bit.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
And when you have such a flat face, the direction
is not affected that much. You know, because there's a
lot of people like Ioki that putt it with an upright.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Buttter that you know, when you have such.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Back all the day, the direction of the ball coming
off the face is not affected as much as you
think it is. But I would say I would look
at the position of your If you're pulling, you have
the ball too far forward. That affects your setup. It's
like Keith said, it's all about your setup. But I
like I told you a day, I would go long
line on your putter. That line I would. You know,
(06:36):
if you don't have a long line, think you do
have a long line, but I would, I would. I
would change your putter shaft to a graphite shaft, a
low torque shaft and maybe look at length of your
shaft and see if you if that's if that's set
up right?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
All right, So there's your putting fitting tip.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
All right. Now I got something else to throw at you.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I hit my four hybrid pretty well, but it's not
a very good wind club unless I'm downwind because it
goes high and it's a very high launching four hybrid.
Is there a club and you guys pretty much s
see me play, so you know what my.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Swing speed is.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Is there a club that could replace the four hybrid
that doesn't get in the air.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
As fast as the one that I have does?
Speaker 5 (07:17):
What's your longest iron?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Now? Six?
Speaker 4 (07:20):
So you should probably you could probably play I don't
know why you can't play a five iron.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
I would agree enough speed for a five iron, okay, yeah,
and you might iron maybe with two bigger soul, whiter soul,
my whiter soul five iron. Yeah, you know, maybe maybe
a more forgiving iron, maybe like maybe a four to
forty for example, you know, maybe a four forty five iron,
you know, with a little bit wider soul so you
(07:47):
don't get something tending to go out too low, right,
that would be something I'd experience.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I wouldn't consider.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Any of the club that goes because my four hybrid
is I would say is a one nighty club on
so but it just gets in a downwind. It can
go two twenty if I got Scotland help, but it
doesn't bore through a wind.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
It's right.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I'm having to manufacture a shot that doesn't turn out
very well to keep it down.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I would also check your spin rate because a lot
of times if you hit the ball really really well
down wind, if it's spinning too much, it's going to
ride the wind. But if you're hitting it into the wind,
it's not going to win.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, Mark and I were talking about that because I
play the pro V one X and the prov one
X spins more than the prov one and when I
hit drivers downwind, I get a lot of distance and
carry and into the wind it doesn't go as far.
But I've experimented with the pro V one and I have.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
The opposite effect.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I hit it well into the wind and get a
little bit more yards into the wind, but it falls
out of the sky faster. And the reason that I
like the pro V one X is I like the
way it clicks off the club when I'm chipping and putting.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I like that feel that I get from that golf ball.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
So that's why I play it more than anything else.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Okay, the ball you need to look at is the
left ash brov one ax because it is the firm
feel you like.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
It's high launch and it's low spin.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
It's high launch, low spin with the firmness that you want.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Probably love that ball, that area ball.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
You can play that ball from t D Green, right,
all right.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Maybe it doesn't spin quite as much around the green
as the prov one X, but you.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Get used to just figure you just have to land it.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
That's the ball I play, and I should I shouldn't
be playing that ball, but I love that ball. The
only thing that I've come close with that. I tried
it the other day. There's a callaway the new Chrome
Tour Triple Diamond. That's their answer to the left ash
brov one ax.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
All right, they play very similar.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
And I've got a four thirty five iron and I
can reach out for you that you test it.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
It's in my in my bag, and I don't know.
You don't do a five iron anymore. I don't hit
anything anymore. You're retiring pretty much.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
All right, we'll get into we'll get into a few
more things to finish up the show.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Next it's the golf Show on the ticket
All right, it's say thirty four.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
It is the Golf show on the ticket taking you
out to wherever you're playing golf today. I hope you
have a fabulous time. I made a putter change sometime whenever.
It was last fall, I think, and I'd been a
ping guy for a long time, but I needed some
more technology. I went to the even roll putter. We
bit that putter to my liking, as flat as we
(00:26):
could make it without breaking it. And I did not
put well on this trip. And I've kind of been
streaky with the putter. I've had moments where it's been great,
and I've had moments where it has not been. So
as much as people think about getting fit for a driver,
let's remember you use that probably fourteen times a day
at the most, as much as we get used for irons,
(00:48):
because we're hitting an iron shot into every hole. We
use that putter usually or hopefully less than thirty times,
but for many somewhat more than that. So let's go
through putter fitting and some of the things that you know,
you guys look for when you're trying to put somebody
in the right putter.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Yeah, so first things first, what I like to do
is just watch the the golfer roll a few putts,
just just watching them, you know, roll with their current
gamer putter. We use an app, so we basically put
a phone on your actual putter and it tracks your
(01:28):
exact stroke. So we need to identify what type of
stroke does the individual have. Are they kind of a
straight back straight through? What does their tempo look like?
Where are their hands at impact? Are they adding lofty lofting?
Are they upright? Are they flat? So there's a lot
of factors the tempo of the stroke that go into
(01:49):
and once we have that data, then we can kind
of narrow just like if you were to get a
driver fitting or an iron fitting, we're trying to see
kind of what category you fall into. From there, we
can just eliminate probably eighty percent of the putters out there.
Now we've kind of zoned into where we're gonna be
From there, it's about identifying the putter. You're talking about
(02:11):
all kinds of different alignment, you know, we want to
make sure that the individual has good fundamentals. I'm a
big believer in you can put all day long, and
if you're not set up correctly from the get go,
you're behind the eight ball, So we want to make
sure you can aim it where you think you're aiming
it consistently, and then return that putter right back to
(02:34):
square so that we're hitting it on our intended line.
And then we have all kinds of different faces, whether
it's a milled face, a soft insert, so we can
play with speed, we can play with weight, we can
play with forgiveness, move weight away from the head higher MOI,
so on if you're someone who mishits puts a lot.
And then the last thing we do, we'll get a
(02:55):
slow motion camera and look at how that ball is
rolling off the face. You know, twelve to eighteen inches.
Are we launching it up in the air, we jamming
it into the ground. We want that ball to launch
with just ever so slightly a little bit of loft
and get rolling quickly so it's not bouncing, and that's
what creates consistency.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Well, and I had had Dave Stockton on the show
fifteen plus years ago, and Michael Lomano was with us
that day as well out of Oak Hills when he
was explaining how he puts. I changed the way I
putted at that time. And one of the things that
Dave Stockton always said was do you need to have
a little bit of your weight a little bit more
like fifty five forty five or maybe sixty forty on
(03:38):
your left leg. And I kind of learned to lean
into the putt a little bit to where the putter.
If you don't know, putters have loft, they may be
one or two degrees, but they have some or four,
but they have some semblans of loft. And what he
wanted to do was for that club to be de
lofted a little bit so that the ball got off
to a good roll. And I immediately started rolling the
(03:59):
ball back. But with my hands have always been slightly
in front of the ball when I putt. But with
the current putter that I have order for that putter
to be flat on the ground and impact, my hands
now have to be behind and I hate putting that way,
and most of my misses.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Are left there are pulled putts.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
So if somebody is pulling a lot of putts, what
changes need to be made in the putter itself in
order to hopefully prevent that? Because I don't know that
I can change the stroke after fifty years.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Well, I think you have to there's a number of factors. So,
like I, all start with fundamentals. So where are your
eyes relative to the ball?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Slightly behind it, not right on top, but just a
little bit behind.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Okay, and that's good.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
That's where you want to be directly over the ball,
to slightly inside the ball, and also maybe slightly behind
the ball, not out in front of the ball. We
wouldn't want to shoot a gun or a basketball or
anything where we're standing, you know, on one side or
the other too far. It's can be hard to be
consistently accurate. So you want to make sure you're in
a good setup position. So that's number one, and then
number two going back to the type of stroke. If
(05:03):
you're pulling putts a lot, you know, maybe you've got
a stroke that would be better for something with a
lot of toe hang, which is going to help you
if you're a big you know, in a big arc
type stroke, I.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Would say on media Marc our flight Arc I would agree, we.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Would want to see where what are you doing with
your face and if if your face is closed, you know,
we may look at something with a little more toe
hang that's gonna gonna help correct that.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Or you and you could play with the li angle
as well. It may, it's sort of. I mean, it's
basically the same as iron li angles. If you've got
to club this too flat, it's probably going to go
going right.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
If it's too upright, it's going to go left.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
I mean, it's the same theory really with a putter,
just on a smaller scale.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Probably probably look at ball position a little bit.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
And when you have such a flat face, the direction
is not affected that much. You know, because there's a
lot of people like Ioki that putt it with an upright.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Buttter that you know, when you have such.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Back all the day, the direction of the ball coming
off the face is not affected as much as you
think it is. But I would say I would look
at the position of your If you're pulling, you have
the ball too far forward. That affects your setup. It's
like Keith said, it's all about your setup. But I
like I told you a day, I would go long
line on your putter. That line I would. You know,
(06:36):
if you don't have a long line, think you do
have a long line, but I would, I would. I
would change your putter shaft to a graphite shaft, a
low torque shaft and maybe look at length of your
shaft and see if you if that's if that's set
up right?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
All right, So there's your putting fitting tip.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
All right. Now I got something else to throw at you.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I hit my four hybrid pretty well, but it's not
a very good wind club unless I'm downwind because it
goes high and it's a very high launching four hybrid.
Is there a club and you guys pretty much s
see me play, so you know what my.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Swing speed is.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Is there a club that could replace the four hybrid
that doesn't get in the air.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
As fast as the one that I have does?
Speaker 5 (07:17):
What's your longest iron?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Now? Six?
Speaker 4 (07:20):
So you should probably you could probably play I don't
know why you can't play a five iron.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
I would agree enough speed for a five iron, okay, yeah,
and you might iron maybe with two bigger soul, whiter soul,
my whiter soul five iron. Yeah, you know, maybe maybe
a more forgiving iron, maybe like maybe a four to
forty for example, you know, maybe a four forty five iron,
you know, with a little bit wider soul so you
(07:47):
don't get something tending to go out too low, right,
that would be something I'd experience.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I wouldn't consider.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Any of the club that goes because my four hybrid
is I would say is a one nighty club on
so but it just gets in a downwind. It can
go two twenty if I got Scotland help, but it
doesn't bore through a wind.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
It's right.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I'm having to manufacture a shot that doesn't turn out
very well to keep it down.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I would also check your spin rate because a lot
of times if you hit the ball really really well
down wind, if it's spinning too much, it's going to
ride the wind. But if you're hitting it into the wind,
it's not going to win.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, Mark and I were talking about that because I
play the pro V one X and the prov one
X spins more than the prov one and when I
hit drivers downwind, I get a lot of distance and
carry and into the wind it doesn't go as far.
But I've experimented with the pro V one and I have.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
The opposite effect.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I hit it well into the wind and get a
little bit more yards into the wind, but it falls
out of the sky faster. And the reason that I
like the pro V one X is I like the
way it clicks off the club when I'm chipping and putting.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I like that feel that I get from that golf ball.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
So that's why I play it more than anything else.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Okay, the ball you need to look at is the
left ash brov one ax because it is the firm
feel you like.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
It's high launch and it's low spin.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
It's high launch, low spin with the firmness that you want.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Probably love that ball, that area ball.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
You can play that ball from t D Green, right,
all right.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Maybe it doesn't spin quite as much around the green
as the prov one X, but you.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Get used to just figure you just have to land it.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
That's the ball I play, and I should I shouldn't
be playing that ball, but I love that ball. The
only thing that I've come close with that. I tried
it the other day. There's a callaway the new Chrome
Tour Triple Diamond. That's their answer to the left ash
brov one ax.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
All right, they play very similar.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
And I've got a four thirty five iron and I
can reach out for you that you test it.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
It's in my in my bag, and I don't know.
You don't do a five iron anymore. I don't hit
anything anymore. You're retiring pretty much.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
All right, we'll get into we'll get into a few
more things to finish up the show.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Next it's the golf Show on the ticket
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