Parents' Nightmare

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yay, that's messed up? An SVU podcast. I am Lisa. Hello,
Hello Lisa, I'm Kara.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Hello.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
How is everybody doing post Thanksgiving? I hope you all
survived being with your families, hopefully not talking about politics.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
I was not with my family, you were, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
But it was a magical Three days is a perfect
amount of time. Yeah, I think that was there like
a day longer, but like with travel, so it evens. Yeah,
but I think three days is really like a magical
number for family. Sweet spot Totally. There's really no time,
at least for me. You know, obviously there's there's someone

(01:11):
I know who I didn't. I was shown yesterday that
their Thanksgiving posts on social media said and we weren't
even at his family's house for a half hour. His
brother physically assaulted him. We had to go to the hospital.
We're in the you know, we're we're filing charges and
eating McDonald's and so, you know, I guess some people
don't even have thirty minutes, so.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
That's good.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
I mean, somebody shared like a meme or a tweet
that was like, if your family fights at Thanksgiving, go live.
I was like, I love that, Like I want to
see people's fights in real time.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
But I also love the trend on social media of
like posting people that pretend to be poor and then
you see they have like an island in their kitchen
and you're like, okay, those are some pretty high ceilings.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Oh my god. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
I just was home with my family and another couple
came over with their kid, and none of our kids
touched any of the food except for the ice cream at.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
The end, and but we had we had a good
little dinner. I'm about to do a new thing I
saw on the internet. It might not be new to everyone,
I messaged the friend. I want to do this with
shout out, but buying ice cream sandwiches like the classic
kind and then a bag of Eminem minis and then
you like dip and bite like you did, and then

(02:33):
the eminem stick to the fucking ice cream sandwich.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
C or I was thinking when you first said it
that you just decorate the side of it, like of
an ice cream sandwich with the minis, but the dipping
is much more efficient.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Y that made cut because I feel if because I
get that they have the cookie sandwich eminem thing, but
I don't like an ice cream cookie sandwich. That's like
not my fun, rather a postcle I am not entested. Yeah,
I don't want the hard cookie anyways, So did you
but you didn't cook?

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Where did you get the food I did? I made shocked.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
I made mashed potatoes, Brussels sprouts, cream corn wow, and rolls.
But they're the kind that you pop from Bill's very fine.
I stuck those in the oven. Yeah, so I made
like half the things. And then my friend made a
turkey roast because you know, only her and my husband
and her husband eat the meat, so they had some turkey,

(03:25):
and then she made like a salad and sweet potatoes and.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Like one other vegetables she made. It was good.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
It was We had a lot of food for like
four adults because the children wouldn't touch anything, you know,
but it was well, that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
You have to have the dishes, so there ends up
obviously being too much food. I'm all about the sides,
Like I want stuffing. I ate the most amount of stuffing.
I took the stuffing home and I ate it for
breakfast the next day twice, like I was stuffing.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
That's what she made.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
She made stuffing, and she made vegetarian stuffing for me,
and she was like, I was worried, but it was
so good.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
It was really delicious.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
I don't even know anything's made. No one expects anything
out of me. I just show up and everyone's happy
that I'm there. And I usually would bring dessert like
I do, like to purchase Italian cookies. Kate, like, I like,
I like to take that on, but my mom's obviously
gonna bake, so we just put her to work.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
So I really, I mean, that is where she's happy, right.
It's not like you're, oh, of course not, she's sick.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
I mean it's like a double edged like I don't know,
like I don't know what she really has outside of
cooking for us. We love it. It is so good,
we need it. But no, she's like in a prison
of in the kitchen, Like the kitchen is her prison.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
She does not leave it.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
She has to feed my father and we all are
demanding dishes from her at all times when we're in town.
Like the bitch is at work at all at all
moments of the day, and I to work. So my
mom takes Pillsberry like crescent biscuit dough and in it
she chops up like hard boiled eggs and onions and
then she fries that and.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
It's one of my favorite dishes. Well, that sounds so good.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
It's so good. It's but it is extra. She did
fuck it up this year. We didn't take it, and
I was like, great, leave it for me at the house.
I'm thrilled with that.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
The coolest moment I guess I had was Friday. I
went to see Wicked with my mommy lan's mom, and
my sister. My niece canceled on us. How dare No,
it's fine. She had a brunch. She had a brunch,
so we dressed up. It was great, loved it. We'll
obviously get into it. But then it ends.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
My sister turns to me and she goes, Elon's outside.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Go.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
No, she actually knows me.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
She goes pee and go, and I was like, okay,
So I peed and then I jump in the car.
Elon's in there with his three you know, adult children,
and then we all get to the Bulls game. We
are parked and at tip off at seven oh five,
like we are there, like we enter as the star
spangled banner is being saying, oh wow, the timing, the timing.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
I'm in green and the Bulls are playing the Celtics.
Thank god.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
My nephew said something. I had a black undershirt. I
took off my bow like I tried to degreenify for
the Bulls game. But it was like an electric game.
And Okay, Benny the Bull his thing. I mean, he's
really cute. Before Ellie the Elephant, Benny the Bull is
like I feel the top mascot.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Mascot. Yeah, but his thing is so funny.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
And jewel Osco is my grocery store of choice, our
local one. But so his thing, like there's a clip
and it's like, ah, Benny's getting ready and basically he
takes giant, giant bags of popcorn and he goes into
the stands and he just starts dancing sexy spins as
the popcorn flies out of the bag on everyone. And

(06:50):
that's his like thing. I was and I would I
was dying laughing. It was like that looking crazy.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
So I'm looking at a picture of him. He looks
like he would He looks.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Like he would be dancing to like Potty Rocas in
the house.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
It's Chaka Laca, Chaka Loaca.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Okay, it's more nineties, but always trying to recreate the magic.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
But you see, like I I eyes, the big eyes
are cue.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
And one of the first photos is him with this
mass You gotta the popcorn is so funny, Google Betty
the Bull popcorn. I want you to kind of just
like see how I gotta see this sexy popcorn dance
from this bowl? All right, it's just my job, funny
thing to have.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
It's like a huge bag. It's like a huge movie
theater bag. And it's, oh my god, the picture I'm
seeing looks like a tornado of popcorn.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Oh my god, stupid.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
And everybody's just like, wow, we're covered in popcorn. That's
so fun.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
I just feel if Ellie the Elephant was like out
on the town trying to get like date, she would
be dating Benny, like there's no one else be hooking
up with, like they connect energy wise, like Chicago New York.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
I think that's a fun mix.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Benny the Bull, the mascot for the Chicago Bulls, pulls
down four hundred k annually from some random source source
that I just clicked on.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Damn.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
So my niece is kind of obsessed with looking up
if people are Jewish or not, and she has all
these websites and anytime there's an actor anywhere anything, she's
just like looking up who's Jewish on the bulls, on
any team.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
And so somehow she did look me up.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
And I don't know what the site is, but I'm
a comedian born in Ukraine. I'm number seven, and it's like, okay,
I'd like to meet one through six, Yeah, yeah, who
are one through six? But then virgo named Lisa. I'm
number five, so like, come on, I don't know what.
But I'm like two hundred and sixty something thousand. I
don't know what the site is, but I think it's

(08:49):
like a Jewish collecting side of people.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
But I can't.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
I don't even know what other famous Lisas or Eliza's
there are besides Manelli.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
I mean Gibbons.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
I mean I'm sure maybe so yeah, but do science
or you know, astronauts like who fucking knows.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
I love these I love these sites where they rank
people like that, like the other podcast I listened to
who Weekly that I've told you about. They do Who's
They go on this website. They play a game called
Who's Most Famous Birthdays? Because there's this webit site called
Famous Birthdays, and they kind of quiz each other of
like who do you think ranks higher than someone else?
Because it'll be like, oh, on this day, Leonardo DiCaprio,

(09:26):
Cameron Diaz and then like a YouTuber and it'll be
like Who's the most famous birthday? And it'll be like
the YouTuber because it'll of like followers and impressions or whatever.
I don't know where they get their info from, but
Whose Most Famous Birthdays is a.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Funny little game they play.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
But I speaking of movies, I do want to hear
your wicked review, but I gotta.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Say I do also at the game. Can I tell
you the most selective part of the sporting event? Yes,
it's when the little like Dunkin Donuts caricatures race like it.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Oh, it is the loudest. It is what it is like.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
I don't know if it's Midwest, if it's everywhere, because
that's how I felt that the Cyclones game too, But
like I just feel when the inanimate food objects but
they aren't animated. I mean, I don't know what to
say when the when the food sponsored objects race on
the screen, it feel.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Like we can all come together. We're all one nation.
When that happens, I feel everybody just together.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
So many Chicago things, Like it's just like a picture
of a hot dog on the screens.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, no, it was a thing. You're registered.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
If the opposing player misses two consecutive free throws in
the fourth quarter, you'll win a free hot dog for
Portillo's sent to your email. Like it's just like we
are at parody of ourselves.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
But any so good. Anyways, mowana to on.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
I've seen some Thanksgiving Day at ten am, and I'm
so sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
It was hot garbage. It was good. They haven't even
been doing press, like they know what's bad. But do
you know how it made so much?

Speaker 1 (11:00):
It means like two hundred million dollars, like because kids
will go fucking see whatever. And also the first one
was so good, and it's like Thanksgiving weekend, we're home
with our kids, we got to do stuff. I mean,
I had these tickets like weeks in advance because I
was like, yes, Thanksgiving morning, will go do that. And
I'm just sad because the first movie is like a
perfect movie. It came out in twenty sixteen, you had
eight years to do a sequel. They didn't hire lin

(11:23):
Manuel Miranda, which I'm sure was like an unavailability thing
or something.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Well, I don't know WoT I do.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
The music that were like, damn, we're sorry to lin Manuel,
like because I feel like people started like making fun
of him, but for a while and like he was
kind of corny, let's say yeah, But at the end
of the day, I mean.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
I think it's like what you made was hits.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
I think it was like his acting, like when he
was in Mary Poppins, people were like, okay, dude. But
like his music is undeniable, like the music from Mahana almost.
I have to say, almost every song is a fucking hit.
I love every song on the soundtrack. I will cry
like that song completely.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, and it's such a good there's so much good
music that that song is like in the beginning, yeah,
how Far I'll Go?

Speaker 1 (12:09):
You know, how Far I'll Go is amazing. They're even
like the song about like Shiny. I like Shiny, but
even the song about how she has to stay in
her village and like assume this role. That's just been
a sign to her, and like she's like, I'll find
a way to be happy doing this, even though there's
other things I want to do.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Like I cry at that song.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Like I'm just saying, not one memorable song and the
plot is unfollowable. I have no idea what's going on.
I have a college degree. I'm like, what's happening? That
bad guy's a good guy. There's a bad guy they
talk about the entire time. They reveal him in the
credit sequence, Like the credits roll for a minute, then
you see this bad guy for the first time. Because

(12:50):
I think they're setting it up for a Mahana three.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
They just had a laugh and they're like, let's see
how bad we can make this. We know people think
they're like it. It reminded me of the straight to DVD.
It reminded me of Simba's Pride or whatever.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
It reminded me of like the Tale of Ja'far or whatever,
is like the second Aladdin, Like that's fine when that
shit's going straight to DVD and it's just like garbage
stuff to like, you know, but it's like this was
a movie release, and it made so much money, and
I worry that it's sending the message to Disney that
like you don't really have to make good shit, because
look at like Toy Story, Toy Story two three, they're
all good, you know, like Frozen, Frozen two is good.

(13:26):
You know, people love it. Like I thought Disney was
like kind of cared about the sequels. And I'm so
disappointed because I'm like a mo wana fucking stand Like
outside of it being a kid thing, I think it's
like structurally like a perfect movie. Like I think about
it when I'm writing other things. I'm like, okay, so
it's like in Mowana, this part is like the Dark
Knight of the Soul and this is the part where

(13:47):
the all is lost moment, and like it's a great
movie and the music is good. And I was just
really disappointed, really disappointed. But you know, the rock is back,
Ali Cravlla. Shit, it's beautiful. I'll give it that. Like
it's still a beautiful movie. Like the animation is gorgeous.
The Kakamora are back.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
If you're a fan, I wonder like did someone burn
the script and they're like we have to make another
one quick?

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Like what what I heard?

Speaker 1 (14:10):
What I heard is that they were developing it into
a TV show and then that got scrapped and they
just kind of squashed everything from the TV show. And
that's why it's a hot mess because there's there's like
four new characters that she goes out on the boat with.
Now I'm like, why her and Maui on the boat
is fine? Maybe add one more character like I don't
need like it was, yeah, exactly, like a whole crew

(14:35):
Like that would make sense to me if it became
a TV show, like a crew of characters, because there's
got to be all these different storylines every episode. But anyway, anyway,
that's my review of Moanatu. Not good, but I'm sure
my kids will watch it again on Disney Plus.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Well, so about Wicked, I am and such a bubble,
So like a comic went up after me at the
cellar and was like, who saw Wicked?

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Zero?

Speaker 2 (14:59):
And he said, yet another show zero? And then I
saw a girl post the clip where she asks an
audience and not one collaps and she has three times
and then she goes, well this sucks, and I'm like,
oh my god, are we in like a different universe?

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Like obviously on my entire Explore page is their press.
It's random people pretending to go up like an old
man going up a stair in like a jazzy or
what do you call those stair buddies that like go
up holding a broom and people are like playing to
find gravity. Like everything I'm seeing in my social is wicked.

(15:32):
Like everybody I'm talking to is going to it like
that is crazy? What a disconnect? Like who's and it
made like a ton of money. So it's like people
are obviously going to see it.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
But but I.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Think it's a lot of dorks going multiple times because
the grand public. It was at Mowana too, hating their
lives some people.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
But yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
I just well my mom said something nice to me
because I oh my god. Also I bring this up
all the time, I think on this podcast or maybe
and in life. But our friend Allison Livey had a
tweet years ago where she just said like a bodega
loving tweet where it.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Was like, oh yeah, where I got in the mix
on this people that don't live here, like where do you?

Speaker 2 (16:13):
And it was about Eminem's like it was like Eminem's
diet coke, toilet paper like it was something cute and
then next thing, you know, Walgreens is trending, like gas
station's trending, diet coke is trending, Bodega's trending. She was
like she got on New York one, you know, like
everyone was talking about it. But I was living in
the suburbs. It was like during twenty twenty lockdown stuff,

(16:34):
and to get a coffee it was a fifteen minute
drive to Starbucks and back.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
You know, I don't like that like that like some
I like this life.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
I like where and I can get a cup of
coffee in seven places on my block, like and that's
the way I like to live.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
So that was Allison's point.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
And I know there's other busy cities, but even people
that live other places do find a special little charm
in Bodega's. And everyone's jealous there's something special here. Fuck off,
we know what a Walgreen. It was like, what is
going on?

Speaker 3 (17:02):
I know what? I guess, of course.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
I mean I got like people were taking people were
blowing up photos of my Twitter avatar, going says a
girl who's never a picture of a girl who's never
been to a gas station.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
I was like this is out of control. Like people
were like, we don't know what gas stations are. You know,
like going to Target is different. I've gone to Target.
It's different than my bodega where this Indian family is
so mean to me. I'm like, I've been coming here. Now,
when am I going to break through? I'm like, when
am I breaking through here?

Speaker 1 (17:32):
I just or or they're so nice, Like I used
to leave my apartment keys at my bodega. I used
to be like, you can get my apartment keys at
my bodega. Just go there and they'll have an envelope
with your name on it. Like that's what we're talking about. Like,
and I think she even mentioned in her tweet, you
get to pet a cat, Like there's not a cat
at Target. There's not a cat at the gas station.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
And Chicago has corner stores. It is different. It's not
all twenty four hours like I do find. I know,
a bodega is a corner store. Corner stores not a bodega. Anyways,
I felt that so much in the Burbs because you know,
I walk places. The Walgreens is a six minute walk
for my parents' house, and then I was gonna go
to Target to get the Taylor Swift book, you know,

(18:12):
which is maybe a fifteen minute walk maybe, And my
as I was getting ready to walk, my mom is like,
do you want to do?

Speaker 3 (18:21):
You want dad to drive you?

Speaker 2 (18:23):
I go, it's gonna take longer for me to wait
for my dad to get dressed than it is for
me to walk to Walgreens. Like, this is crazy, But
I just thought of Allison's tweet. I think about it
all the time where it's just like they were like,
are you sure you can walk the six minutes to Walgreens?
I go, yeah, I think I can make it. But
I grew up driving to Walgreens. Yeah, I grew up

(18:43):
doing that drive. That's a six minute walk my whole
life living there. Yeah, it's so silly, it's weird. I
never even thought twice about it, And now that I
see it's only a six minute walk, I'm like, I've
been driving to Walgreens for decades.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
So true. I mean, yeah, now that you live in
a walking city too.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
But my mom was really nice because I went to
buy like green eyeshadow and eyeliner. I found a green
sweater at Target. I got a green wicked bow and
my mom was like, you know, Lisa, you really know
how to make a holiday out of everything.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
And I was like, that's nice, that's cute, that's so nice.
It was nice. It was really nice.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Okay, wicked, Yes, so what did you think? I loved it.
I can't wait to see it again.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
I me too, And I never say that I don't
double see movies, but I would go see that again
in the theater.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Well, I don't mean like.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Ever, but I'm just also embarrassed how mad I was
that it was going to be split into two and
now it's like, yeah, how could they have ever done
one movie like that?

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Seems so like and laid out.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
That's what so many people have been asking me, eire,
Like the stage shows two and a half hours, How
is it possible that, like the first movie is two
and a half hours. I'm like, they grew poppy fields
like they made practical that's in the UK. They like
shot shit like on a river for Shiitz, Like they're
gonna let like let the camera linger for a little
while on this stuff, you know, like it's gonna go.

(20:11):
They're not like elongating the songs. But it's like, you know,
I thought it was really great, and I have said
this already. I just I'm never as impressed. I'm never like, oh,
I love the movie more than I love the stage production.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
But even with Mama Mia, I don't believe you you love.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
That way I loved. I loved Mamma Mia the place
so much. But you're right, I did love the movie
so much.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
That's right. That might be the only rival. That might
be the only rival for me.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
But now this is like in the mix for me,
because like, yeah, Ley miss Chicago rent like everything I've seen.
I like that stage better, like or I liked how
I felt. I like the movie for Chicago. I know,
I know, but when I saw Chicago was like sixteen.
It was like formative, you know. I was like I
wicked yeah for the first time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I

(20:59):
think they both just like nailed it. And I love
the details.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
I mean Arianna on the chandelier, the outfit, like I
mean when it's Cynthia, like the outline of her with
the witch thing, and it's like the glass is broken
and it's like the circle and then you see all
of oz like I was like, oh my god, but
I was waiting for her to kind of fly. It
felt like a roller coaster and then it was over
so quick, so I'm like I got to get back
in there, like I have to see that scene over

(21:23):
and over again. But I also need to say Bowen
killed it at every moment. I mean, he made the
most out of this part. Like almost every single line
was a banger and a laugh in a moment and
like let's go get pastries. Like everything it felt it
was so special.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
I don't remember that part from the musical, and he
like stood out like I don't really remember the two
friends from the musical, and like he totally I mean
I can't say because I also we know him, we
love him, but like it's like I thought, he made
it seem like every line was improvised too, which I love.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
He made it seem like he was just like off
the coff tossing things out there.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
And my favorite meme video, it's like a girl I'm
looking kind of I don't know, describe what I'm doing, Like.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
What is that look? Confusion?

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, I like and the writing said Glinda's uh granny
seeing the hat she gave her for Christmas on like
the head of the most Wanted of Oz.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, like the biggest criminal in the LAMB. Yeah, that's yeah,
everyone's just so creative. But yeah, the robe for Popular
is insane and I love that when every the everyone
doing the loathing choreo with the books. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
I like seeing the rehearsal videos and it is impressive
and it was like two years of their lives and
this like such immersive thing. But Bach is weird and
I don't care. Oh well, he's a weird I was.
I was asking.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Last night I saw my friend who has been to
Ario on a Grande's house twice her apartment in New York. Okay,
I was like, I was like, so, what's the deal.
I'm like, I'm not a big Ariana person. I don't
know like a lot about her, but like, see, like
she left her marriage for this guy.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Is he like, does he go? Does he have super
hot guy energy?

Speaker 1 (23:13):
She goes, he goes, No, he's just like really sweet
and he's like a dork and she's a dork. I
and we were both like, oh, yeah, it's like she
went out with like the cool guys a couple of
times and was like, nah, I need to be with
like a theater dork.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Like he was telling me. Her apartment is in Midtown.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
It's like she lives where she can be near the
Broadway shows like that. She's so into Broadway and I
think this guy just like she loves him, and he
said they're really like cute together.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
So I know.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
A clip of someone's pod that they were like, that's
not acting like he feels that way, like it is
weird watch him and I don't know, but no, I
loved every second of it. It's so impressive, like thinking
about all the work they put him to, all but
the great voices. I mean, these things are sent to
try us, Like, oh my god, she is such a dork.

(24:07):
I guess, like they read the scripts and Arianna immediately
called John. She was like, we have a problem because
they changed the wizard will see you now to who
rung that bell or something like that, and Ariana goes,
you can't change that, and she was just saying how
like she would be like we can't do that, Glinda
wouldn't do that, or like that's not happening. Like she

(24:28):
was kind of the the like on dramaturgy.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah, she was like doing the drama Like I feel
like she was the trauma turn for that.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, like and I thought that she did a really
good job. Of not just imitating Kristin Chena with like
she really gave it her own spin, but not in
a way where I was like, I'm really watching Ariana
Grande play somebody, like I really kind of bought into
her Glinda totally. Yeah, But I really thought Cynthia Arrivo
was the star, even though I know it's like a

(24:58):
double I really feel like she she's like so much
the star. Like the acting was so good, her acting,
her acting is very good.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
It's really good. Her voice is good. I mean, yeah,
the Wizard and I like with the cliff, like running
to the cliff edge of the cliff.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
It was great. It was really good. Oh my god. Yeah,
I'm glad that.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
I mean, I knew you were gonna love it, but
I'm glad we have come to an agreement on Wicked.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
We both love it. I want to see it again.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Kristin Chinaworth on Watch It Appens Lives said that she
was like proud, She's always been proud of Marianna, but
that she felt like it wasn't just so much that
she did make it her own, but not abandon like
the foundation that I think was created in the original.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
I will say my one little bug with it that
I didn't like. One moment was when they had a
Dina Manzel do the uh, like we don't need that.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
We know who she is.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
They are famous, they are legends, Like she doesn't need
to do that, Like it felt like.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
She's a maniac. She said, I have to coming back.
I think Adina Menzel is a full blown maniac, that
is my guess. I think she is like a theater
dork to the max. I think she's a psycho diva
who's because I heard like the understudy did a good
job once and she never missed a day again or
something like she's just like I think, a crazy person.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
It just kind of made me I roll because I
was just like, we we know it's you, Like you
guys are legend, Like we don't need you to do this.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
But I guess you're right. I mean maybe, And I.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Do want to say no one plays a cold, icy
bitch like Michelle Yoh. I mean she when she turns
around at the end in her face. It was the
Martin short SV moment. It was like this one face
change and I was like, this diva bitch like it.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
I wish if Michelle Yo could sing it would have
been amazing too, because like that part does have a
good part in the move musical.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Just so much nuance in both of their performances constantly,
like they really like lived these characters, and I like.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
I don't know, I forgot from when I saw the musical,
which was I don't know, twenty years ago, like so
long ago, Like I forgot about the whole animal subplot
of like getting rid of the animals and caging the
animals and all this stuff, and like, I don't know,
there was just like so much politics in the movie
too that I was like, this is wild, this is
coming out at this time, But I don't want to

(27:22):
talk politics. I just like was like, wow, at the
end of this movie, Glinda is the white lady voters.
But I think I've already said that on this podcast. Well,
let's get into our episode for today before that really quickly.
It's the seventeenth of December today. I know the holidays
are upon you, but if you want to get any
late Christmas gifts, you can go to that's messed uplive

(27:44):
dot com and shop some of our merch Lisa's in
Red Bank, New Jersey in two days, right.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah, I was just gonna say yeah, December nineteenth, Red Bank,
New Jersey, the nineteenth Diets, The Time Is Coming, and
the twenty first the at the Bellhouse in Brooklyn.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
So come on down, amazing, come on down, great, and
let's get started. All right, everybody, it's the episode title
you've all been waiting to hear Parents' Nightmare. I mean,
what a dramatic title for this episode. Season sixteen, episode

(28:23):
twenty two. So it's the penultimate episode I believe of
this season sixteen. This episode begins with Benson bringing my
favorite Noah pre verbal Noah to daycare for the first time.
She's like nervous. She's like, should I stay for a
little while? And the lady is like, respectfully, ma'am, leave,
like get the hell out of here, Like you know,

(28:43):
the same thing they tell all parents, like it's harder
for you than it is for them. But when she leaves,
Noah's like crying and reaching out to her. It's really cute.
But Olivia's like, I gotta go save lives.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Bye.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
So meanwhile, in another New York City apartment, a boy
who's like, I don't know if.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
They ever say is age?

Speaker 1 (28:58):
You think he's like eight or nine, is rushing to
get out of the house for school, but he needs
change for the penny harvest, but his mom can't find it,
and he's giving her attitude and she's like, I'll bring
it by the school. So then as they walk out,
the little kookie Yeah, gal, she's cookie. But you know what,
she strikes me as an LA mom, Like I see
that she's like a real LA mom.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
This woman.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
I interact with this woman on the daily, and she's like,
kind of, I don't think she looks that crazy. She's
just kind of in like sweats and like a shirt
and like a jacket.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah, But her son goes. Her son goes, are you
really going to go to school like that? Like he
shades her so hard, Like I don't think she looks
that bad, but whatever, she's in sweats, her hair's a
little bit unkempt, whatever, So the son gives her shade.
She spots a friend across the street with his dad
and she's like, hey, hey, would you mind taking Owen
with you because I look like shit?

Speaker 3 (29:51):
And then she's like, I promise.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
To pick you up, gives him a kiss on the forehead,
and then he scampers across the street and.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
He never say bye to your children on this show,
never yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
So she promises to pick him up.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
She gives him before Heady skimpers off across the street,
but then he absolutely almost gets taken out by a cab,
like immediately immediately a cab is like beep like and
it's scary, and the mom doesn't even notice this is happening.
She heads back into the house and like, yeah, this episode,
I will say, like it's it's like a little bit
more subtle on the messaging, like you're kind of like, oh, okay,

(30:26):
I guess she didn't notice.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
But I guess he didn't get hit by a cab.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
And maybe that's that's probably happens all the time in
New York Flighty.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
She's like Lily Tomlin's character in Big Business. It's not
like Malicia. She's not on dope, you know or whatever.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Yeah, but she hears a screech and a beep. She
hears a.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Screech and a beep and doesn't even flip her head
back to be like is my kid okay, Like she's
on another planet. So but like I didn't notice that
really at first. Maybe she used to do acid, maybe
like that was the issue. Like it up, but it's
done the damage completely. But she uh heads back inside whatever.

(31:08):
And then now the dad of the other boy.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Uh to do what you could tell the bitch doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Not that there's anything wrong with it Working's not cool,
but what.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Are you rushing in to do? Exactly?

Speaker 1 (31:20):
So the other dad is holding like, uh Owen's hand
and his son's hand, and they're walking down the street
and Owen is like a chatty Cathy, you can tell
I like this kid, he's like. Then he says hi
to this guy named Clyde, who is an unhoused man
talking to himself on the sidewalk. But when Owen says hi,
this guy snaps right back into reality. He's like, Oh,
and my man go learn something a school. Like it's cute.

(31:41):
They've got like he's like a cute little It's like
this is what Sesame Street teaches.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
You know your neighbors and you know, be kind or whatever.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
And then we see a man in a Yankee hat
exit a building and starts following them.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Uh. Oh not a base. He doesn't Yeah, he doesn't
look like he's.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
This episode is also like very similar to three other episodes.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
In fact, I know the episode you're talking about, and
the dad's wearing a Yankee hat in that one.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yeah, but so scary man, I don't know, not scary man,
just a sketchy man.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
An a Yankee hat is following them.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Cut to Olivia's office where Tucker friend of the pod
John Robert Burke is sitting waiting for Olivia, and I
just see him and he's first of all hot silver
fox and he's my number one for her.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
I wish they had worked out.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
I don't understand why they had to not only have
it work out, but like kill him. Like if he
was busy, we could have shit, we could have you know,
kept the door slightly ajar and he was wearing on
other projects, but like, yeah, horrible.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, but you know the term silver fox. I don't
think fox has turned silver. I'm kind of annoyed. I've
only seen orange one.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah, that's interesting, what does that come from.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
I'm sure there's a I mean, there is a silver fox,
but it's black and gray. Yeah, okay, cool, it's an
actual animal, guys.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Ooh a silver fox. Wow? Honestly, really cute.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
But there can be like a young silver fox like
there can be like the little fox kits that are young,
that are in true Oh wow, okay, yeah, a little
silver again he's majestic.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
So he's there because he's like, listen, one PP doesn't
really want a lieutenant. Uh, they don't really want a
sergeant running this place. They want a lieutenant at SVU.
And she's like, okay, well, I'm actually killing it. I
busted Johnny d sex trafficking ring, I took down Yates
when Chicago fucked it up. So what are you talking about?
And he's like, oh, no, girl, it's not you. They
like you. They just it's all about rank. That's what

(33:48):
we're all about here in the NYPD. So I told
him you're taking the lieutenant's exam and he's She's like,
well I'm not. And he's like, just do it, like,
don't make a liar out of me. And he's like,
if it's not gonna be you, it's gonna be someone else.
And they're flirting, like I feel it already. He's winking
at her, being like, just take the exambib and he
also tells her to figure out who her second in
command would be and better that she picks it than

(34:10):
it's just like they stick her with someone. So now
we're at a school playground that is giving me ajuda.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Like children are everywhere.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
One woman is taking care of ninety five kids, like
trying to do school dismissal. All the kids are going nuts.
The woman is like telling kids to stop bothering each other.
And she's handing the guy in a Yankee hat a
form to sign. And the guy's name is Carlos and
he's there to pick up Owen Farhiti and he's like,
oh yeah, mister Ferhiti called, and the teacher's like, oh yeah,
yeah he did, and points like Owen's over there. So

(34:41):
then he goes over to Owen, who does not seem
to recognize him, and he's like, I'm Fabiana's friend. Your
mother's told me to pick you up. I fix the
sink once, and Owen's like okay, and I gotta be honest.
The guy that comes over to my house to do handiwork,
my kids would go with him in a second. They
love him. They love him so much. They have literally
his name is Onasimo. They play games where they named giraffe.

(35:05):
They named a giraffe Onacimo. The giraffe, they like love
him so much. Wait, this is like yeah kind of exciting.
Yeah yeah, So I'm just saying, if they're going to
do a one to one comparison. Here, Rosie's leaving school
with Onacimo no matter what, and he's not on her list,
but she would go she uh So. Then they're walking

(35:27):
down the street and Owen is like, you know, chat
chat chatting away about being in Cabin eight this summer.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
You know, I love a summer camp. Boy. He's like,
it'd be great if I was in Kevin a d.
And then he tells Carlos like you're going the wrong way.
Boy is really really cute. He's weird. He's like a
really little cutie. He's really cute.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
And I looked him up and I don't think he
acts anymore. Like his name is Cayden Ruperel and he
was in some other show for like twenty episodes, but
it ended like a few years ago, and I haven't
seen anything else. Maybe he's going to high school and
don't get back into the acting game later. But he's
so cute and I think he's quite good. I wrote
it in my notes. I think he's a good actor
and he's.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Like, yeah, it's not about stranger danger. It's like even
don't go anywhere with the guy that fixes the stuff
in our house. So you have to get so specific
with these kids. I know it's so hard to make
sure these kids don't get kidnapped, but.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
I will say, like, don't talk to the plumber kids.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
There's like a lot of protocols and stuff like, especially
in public school. I mean, like you there's people that
have to like come, you have to be on a list,
like at Oscar School there's a code you have to bring.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Well yeah, now, yeah, it's stricter.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
This bit should be fired if not like a non
paid suspension, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
But also this guy is like really risking it going
just into a crowded yard where so many people can
see him, and he's like being given paperwork like I
don't know, it seems.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Like a lot, but he tells.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Owen says to Carlos like we're going the wrong way,
homes this way, and Carlos is like, we have to
make a special a stop. It's a surprise, and Owen
goes okay, And that's so true. There is nothing a
kid loves more than a special surprise, Like you could
open a van door and be like, Rosie special surprise.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
You'd be like, let's go like they love surprises.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Well one hundred percent, and like whenever it's like, oh,
look I have puppies in my van, that would work
on me. Yeah, yes, I would go look at puppies
in a van. I'm an adult.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Famously, I went home with a professional poker player to
hook up, but also because he told me he had
a new puppy at his house and I wanted to
see it. Yeah, and really little, so you can actually
get grown women home that way too.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Also, it's like the surprise is almost better. Don't even
say it's puppies. You could just be like surprise. They like,
you know, you need to get creative. They are so
excited about any surprise that you know, this guy kind
of nailed it.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
But the music is.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Telling us something is wrong. The music is like, this
is not a nice guy. Like, you know, the violins
are telling us done done, you know. So back at
the school, Owen's mom shows up late very oh you know,
like losing her mind. Mary Julie Robertson stepmom, okay, yes,
and ask the teacher Hey, I'm sorry, I'm late, Like,

(38:08):
where's Owen? And then you know, Dune done. The teacher
looks very confused and this is bad news. Meanwhile, Carlos
is not being nice anymore. He shoves Owen into the
back of a black van. He's like, get in, get in.
He's like not being a nice guy anymore. At the playground,
the mom and the teacher are running and looking for him.
The playground is empty, the kids have all gone home.

(38:28):
There's no way Owen is just sitting there. It's like
you sent him home with a stranger. And the teacher's like,
Owen seemed to know the man, and the mom is
like screaming, Owen, Owen, and we hit the credits. So
now I know, it's been a long time. This has
been a long intro to get to the credits. So
now top of act one, the gang is on the scene.
It's Coreesy, it's tomorrow Live, It's Finn Okay, they're updating
live in finn The principles there doing a walk and talk,

(38:51):
and the principal is all business. She is like not
remotely upset, she is not remotely taking responsibility for anything
her school has done.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
She's like well, apparently, like you know, this is what happened.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
The school got a call authorising a family for authorizing
a family friend to pick up Owen, but they contacted him,
mister Ferhiti, he never made the call making that authorization. Also,
you should know Owen's parents are recently divorced. Okay, so
in the principal's office, the mom is like, I don't
let other people pick Owen up that, and then she
goes that. Often it's usually Fabiana or nanny or a

(39:22):
friend's nanny. The mom who is played by Brooke Bloom,
and she looks so familiar to me. She has seventy
seven credits. I can't really place her. She's been in
Evil He's just not that into you shows that I like.
But and she's been in another sus SUV. She's been
in another sevu as well. But she's just got like familiar.

(39:43):
She reminds me of like Hannah's mom from Hacks. You
know that actress, I do, Yeah, I know, yeah, yes, yes,
she's like and in the movie Happiness. I don't know,
she's like, oh yes, totally an s feu alum. I'm
forgetting her name. It's Jane something. I think but she
gives me like her an somehow, but I don't recognize
her exactly.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
But she's like.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
They're like, well, where's your phone and she's like, oh,
I can't. I don't have it. I guess I can't
find it. She's like looking through her bag. She's like,
sometimes I space out after yoga and I leave it there.
Their divorce has only been final for a few months
and they're like, have there been custody issues? And she's
like huge, Sam is Iranian. He wanted to take Owen
there for spring break, but she wouldn't let him. So

(40:25):
she says, you don't think he had someone from the
restaurant take him And they're like, we don't even know
about the restaurant, Like what I mean, you know? Like
what so I guess the husband has a restaurant and
she says no. A judge ordered Owen's passport to be
given to me, and they're like, oh, great, so.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
You have the passport and he's like she goes.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Sam handles the logistics, meaning the ex husband, so she
doesn't even remember if he ever gave it to her,
and she's like very disorganized. This woman CARIESI calls her
a space cadet, which I think is very accurate. And
now the dad is a suspect. You know, live is
traffic copping. You go at the footage, you go get
a sketch artist for the teacher who let this kid
go with a stranger. You go to the restaurant, talk

(41:05):
to the dad, take the mom to the precinct, and
go to the yoga class and get the phone.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
So, now this is a great scene.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
You've heard of a bull in a china shop, but
get ready for Careesi in a yoga studio.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Okay. He walks in.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
He's talking to this like young little yogi lady receptionist,
and she's like, you can't go in there. They're doing
downward Dog and it's their listening the bodies right now,
I know it's when you can go in. Yeah, it's
like no one's paying attention. So Kreese just dials the number.
The phone starts loudly ringing in the middle of class.
Everyone is like, you know, looking annoyed, and then he

(41:40):
goes in, grabs the phone, comes out, flashes it at
the little receptionist goes, look what I.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Got, and then walks out. It's funny.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
It's a I mean was it worth them hiring twelve
extras to be in the yoga studio? Getting a location
probably taking half a day, I don't know, but it
was a cute little scene at Farhiti's restaurant, the dad
they're talking to the Sam and he's like, I didn't
call the school, and he's doing the classic stop wasting
my time and get out there and find my son.
And then Sam goes off on Nick like you just

(42:09):
see an Arab man trying to steal his son. He's like,
I'm not Arab, by me Randian, I'm a loyal American.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
I'm not a terrorist.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
He's like, my ex wife played that card throughout the
whole custody hearing, and Tomorrow starts like empathizing with the
guy and being like, dude, I hear you. I've been
through it, because he's been through custody stuff with Zara,
and Sam's like, yeah, well, now imagine it with a
white female judge and a Middle Eastern man. And he says,
I told Dana that something like this would happen. So
they're like, okay, so just clearly you did not send

(42:40):
a male Hispanic man to pick up your son.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
And he's like, no, go find my son.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
And this actor is Navid Negabon who works Honey one
hundred and forty nine credits.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
He was on Legion.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
He was also a doctor in a season eight episode
called Outsider of SVU And then holy shit, I'm going
through his IMDb and he was a Buonazir Homeland.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Which is huge.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Didn't put it together right away when I saw this
episode for the first time. He is the centerpiece villain
of the first two seasons of Homeland, Like do you
like the name on everybody's lips was a Nazir? Okay,
Like I was talking about Air when that show happened,
because it was such a big show, and he was
like the the you know, the the classic like bad guy.

(43:27):
Why am I blanking on the guy who we killed
in the cave? I yes, he was like an Osama
bin Laden figure, but.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Like as his first minutes, I mean, wow, I blanked on.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
Osamovan his his name's not.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
He's such a who now, Oh my god, But this
guy is like he's like an Osama bin Laden, but
like more like sophisticated, Like he doesn't live in a cave.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
He's like that businessman.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
You know.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Even this like when you first, didn't know who's someone
this interat In my head, I go, oh, Damian Lewis.
And then it was like the cave and I was like, oh,
the American who pretended who joined al Qaeda and he
got ye back for like you know, espionage or something
or being a trader. And then I thought Osama Balanda
in the third like it took me.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
It was my first one cave guy, your number one
cave guy.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
No, but the cave is what helped me get there.
But I'm thinking about so I worked with the terrorist
from True Lies and but in you know, the later
two thousands.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Let me just get his name. It's Art Malick, and so.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Like when we talked on set, he was like, this
is my first time not playing a bad guy.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Wow. He had played terrorists since the seventies and bad
guys like this was He's like, this is my first time.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
It's just like a dad. He was like so excited.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Didn't get picked up, but he was excited to be
a goofy dad. And so now I'm thinking about, you
know this Art this guy, and I bet he's a
bad guy in most of his career.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
Well, I was.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Gonna say one of his most recent credits is he's
actually the Sultan in the live action Aladdin. Yeah that's
a good guy. That is a good guy, but but
it's so not body type.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
It's like, I'm sorry, you're I know I need a
Danny DeVito type.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
What are you talking about, Buckley?

Speaker 1 (45:22):
I want a short, little round man like the guy
in the cartoon. But you know, that's why I won't
watch it.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
That's why the animation to humans never works, because cartoons
are better. You could do everything. It's magical, it's cute,
it's it's like a whole not I just don't know
how they think a live action is ever gonna. I
just don't understand. You have Robin Williams is the genie. Like,
it's confusing.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
I listened to will Smith do the like the song
once on Spotify. It came up and I was like, Nope,
I'm not I'm just not seeing it. It's not happening,
saying that's what happens when no one tells you the truth. Yeah, okay,
So now we're at the precinct and they've got some
grainy footage, but it's really not much help. This guy
like knew how to keep his face away from the

(46:09):
cameras or whatever.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
They show it to Dana.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
She doesn't recognized the guy, but his face is like
completely turned. They're like, do you recognize the shape of
this man's head? And so Careesi comes in with the phone.
There are calls from a blocked number that have come
in on the phone, and there's messages. They listen to
the voicemail like they she gives you know, opens it
up with her past code and it's owen going.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Mom, he won't let me come home till you answer
your phone. Mom, why aren't you picking up answer next time? Please? Mom?

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Like it's really sad because it's like why if you
hadn't left your phone at yoga? Like I'm like already
very you know, I'm like obviously addicted to my phone,
but even sometimes in a movie, like I'll turn it off,
but I'll just like check it once during just to
make sure nothing's going on with my kids with the babysitter,
because like I don't know, I just it's crazy to
be just like leaving your phone all over the place

(46:52):
when you just have like it's like the only way
anyone could get in touch with you about your kid.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
But they show the footage to the dad.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
He also doesn't reckon he's the man, so they're like,
would he They ask the dad would Owen go off
with a stranger? And the Dad's like, yeah, he talks
to a homeless man like they're best friends. But I'm like, sir,
he and Clyde are friends, why are you being rude?
And he's like he's too trusted anyone.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Yeah, So at the precinct they found some It's also
hard to imagine these two people as a couple because
they're just so opposite sides of the spectrum in terms
of personality, but you know, opposites attract I guess at
the precinct they've found some other footage. They've got a
plate number on the van, but also a better shot
of Carlos's face and they show it to the mom

(47:36):
and she's like, oh my god, that's Javier. He's Fabiana's boyfriend.
Fabiana is their part time nanny. Benson's like, let's get
Fabiana on the horn. The police bust onto a playground
and they call like Karsa goes up to some random
boy and is like, oh wait, oh wait, but it's
not him, and uh. They finally detective, what do you
I know, it's like not the same height, not the
same style haircut, like it's just like funny. They find

(48:00):
Fabiana and she's like, I don't have owen today, and
they're like, where's Javier And she's like, I don't know,
and she's got a lot of attitude. They want to
bring her in and she's like, I'm responsible for these
two boys.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
I'm mid babysitting.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
And they're like, and Cariese goes aur ramismo or these
kids can their parents can pick them up at the
police station. I just like Cariese's speaking Spanish is hilarious
aur ramismo. So now they're all rolling up on an
apartment building that Fabiana I guests told them was where
Javier lives in a basement apartment. Amara is like yelling
in Spanish. Police open the door and then they bust in.

(48:32):
There's tons of bunk beds, lots of guys are living there.
One guy they got, they get them up against the
bunk beds with like his hands behind his back and
he's like, Javier would never kidnap anywhere anyone. He stays
here sometimes and they're like, well, where does he work?
And they're like, well, he quit his job because he
said now he has money. Uh oh, where'd you get
the money from? So we are now at the top

(48:52):
of act two. They bring Fabiana into the police station
and Fabiana is all attitude and no help. Okay, She's
like kind of not work like, she's not like, oh no, Owen,
how can I help. She's like, I don't know what
you want. I don't know where he is. I called him,
he didn't answer.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
I don't know. I don't hear from him. What do
you want?

Speaker 1 (49:10):
And the mom comes out like begging Fabiana for help,
and she's like, I don't know anything, and so they
bring her to interrogation. Meanwhile, a video call is coming
into Dana's phone, so Olivia so smart sets her up
in like the kid's corner of the office so it
doesn't look like she's at the police like in the background,
it just looks like there's toys behind her and stuff.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
And he's like, did you tell anyone? And she's like no.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
He demands thirty seven thousand dollars in cash and she's like, which,
I don't have that, and he's like, ask mister Sam,
Mister Sam has money.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Ask him. She says she will, but begs to see Owen.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
They show us Owen, who is okay but has his
wrists tied together and his arms around a pole like
it's not great, and he's begging.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
He's like, you have.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
To do what Javier says, please, mom or whatever, and
Javier's like, get the money. I'll te tell you where
to go. If I see any cops, I'll kill him.
Dana is obviously super upset and crying. Amarro goes to
get the dad and now Sam is there and he's like,
let's do it. I'll get the money, and Lives like
you gotta let and like the mom is like you don't.
I don't have that money, and he's like I can

(50:16):
get it or whatever. So that's a little bit of
a sketchy exchange too, and Lives like, let us do
our jobs, and he's like you.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
Can't be involved.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
They're gonna kill Owen, and Lives like respectfully, like you
can make the drop, but we're gonna be back up.
You wear a wire and he's like, no, it's my son,
my call, and they're like, not how it works. That's
just simply not how it works. You don't just get
to go make ransom drops without the cops back up.
So they're gonna meet Javier. They're looking at where they're
gonna meet him. It's like a basement location. There's an

(50:43):
exit out to an alley, lots of Heidi holes, as
Careese says, and Live sends the cops off with their
marching orders and grabs Sam and is like, I need
to prep you. So now they're in a surveillance van,
which these they're not really I mean vans. They're massive,
like they're like buses. You can stand up in them. Uh,
and Live says, when you see your son, put down
the money and you get out, no heroics. So Sam

(51:06):
goes to do it. It's dark out, by the way,
it's a nighttime now for this drop. Sam goes down
into the basement. Live and Dana are there watching in
the van and they hear Sam go, Xavier, please let
Owen go. Everything is fine, I have your money, and
then the connection goes dead. They lose video and they
lose audio on him, and Live tells them move in,

(51:26):
move in. So Sam comes out with Owen. He's okay, wow,
huge sigh of relief from the mom and frankly from
me and he because I like, honestly forgot how this
one ended. I was like, does this one end in
an accidental oopsie kind of killing?

Speaker 2 (51:39):
And it's yeah, four other episodes, like so that's what
it's like.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Yeah, the one we just the Isabelle Hubert that we
just did is like very similar and that does not
end good well for the child. And he says he
doesn't know where Javier went. He just took Owen and left.
They all go after Javier. It's a lot of them.
They find like a full hole in a brick wall
like Shawshank redemption style. Cares stops Xavier, who's honestly just

(52:08):
strolling down the alley with the bag of money. He's like,
not even in a run, and then he sees Caries
tries to run. Omorrow heads him off. They've got him
hands up. He tells him, I didn't kidnap Owen. Miss
Dana paid me to take him. Ask her she planned everything?
So done done. I don't know this lady. Seems like
she can't even plan to get dressed in the morning.
So let's see what happens. So now they're at this

(52:30):
special children's hospital where Owen is being checked out. Now
Javier is lawyered up, and he's still claiming Dana planned
this whole thing. Owen is not allowed to be near
his parents without a third party. The doctor comes out
and says Owen is showing signs of psychological trauma. He's
got wrist and ankle abrasions, but no sexual abuse. Liv
wants to talk to Owen and the doctor says, tread lightly,

(52:52):
so she goes in. Owen's like, am I in trouble?
When she introduces herself as a cop, and he's like,
She's like no, no, no, like, just tell us about
what happened. He says, I don't really I didn't really
know Javier. He was at our house like once or
twice he fixed the sink. I think Fabiana knows him.
And then first he said his name was Carlos, then Xavier.
He said he talked mostly Javier didn't really know English,

(53:14):
by the way, so far Javier speaking perfectly good English.
He said he was nice until I wanted to go home,
and then he made me get in the van. We
drove around. I had to call my mom on his
phone and I wrote, I think this kid is a
good actor, like he's doing a great job, Like I'm
believing him. He's got a lot of dialogue here and
he's really handling it well. Good for him, and they're like, good,

(53:35):
great question who dialed your mom's number?

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Was it you or was it him?

Speaker 1 (53:38):
And Owen goes Javier dialed, so he got mad when
my mom didn't pick up, he said, and said she's
supposed to answer, and then he said he yelled and
maybe swore, he goes, I think it was swearing. It
was in Spanish. So now Finn and CARIESI are asking
Dana some questions like why did you ask why did
Javier ask you for money and not Sam? And she
was like, he doesn't really know Sam. He's our babysitter's boyfriend,

(54:01):
and like I use him as a handyman, Like he's
don't think he's interfacing with the dad that much. He
seemed confident that Sam would have the money. Maybe Fabiana
told him, and she's like she would never she loves Owen.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
It's like, I don't know how much she loves Owen.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
She literally just was like, get me out of this
police precinct over and over and did not really care
what was happening with little Owen. Have you talked about
your divorce with her, and she goes, yes, she's my friend.
I didn't want her to think cutting back on her
hours was my idea. And you know, just this lady,
I don't know, she's just kind of like I talked

(54:34):
all about my divorce to her. It gets complicated, you know,
maybe I don't know. I don't know if I would
talk about my divorce with the babysitter. I don't know
if I would do that. But I also used to
have like a very big boundary between myself and babysitters.
And then I got a babysitter who, you know, who
I became friends with, so it is blurried. You know.
Tomorrow is now back with his bestie Sam. The two

(54:57):
divorced dads club over there, and he's like, Dana was
kind of shocked when you said you had the thirty
seven thousand, and Sam's like, well, we're divorced. She's trying
to count every penny. Why would Javier think you have
that kind of money? And he goes, well, he just
got to this country. He probably thinks everyone has money. Okay, interesting,
take who pays the help? Amorro says he asks, and

(55:19):
Sam goes, I do if I give Dana money at
the beginning of the week. It's gone the next day,
so everyone knows mister Sam is the one that has
the money. So that's interesting. Like this divorce is hi.
This woman she needs a good shake. So back at
the hospital they're reporting back to live. Fabiana knew that
the dad had cash. She hasn't lawyered up yet. Let's
talk to her. So now we're in I wouldn't say

(55:41):
this is cement room bars, but it's also not wood
room blinds. I called it cinder block grates. Like it's
like there's no bars, but there's cinder blocks and grates
over the windows. So in cinder block greats over the
windows room, Amorro and Finn are questioning Fabiana and she
just keeps going I don't know, I don't know, up
and down, like she just will not give any and
they're like, were you pissed that your hours got cut back?

(56:02):
And she's like, fuck no, my new job pays more.
I was happy to get out of that house also,
and then it's like, okay, here we go. It's phil
she goes, I love Owen, but Dana she's just too
much of a chatterbox.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
She will not shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
After the divorce, Sam is so cheap he wanted her
to go back to work. Blah blah blah. Did you
ever discuss their finances with Javier? And she goes, oh,
she already knew. Dana told him in Spanish while he
was handymanning about and she called him for everything. He
was there all the time, drippy faucett. She goes, a cockroach,
maybe it's dead, but I don't know. I thought that

(56:36):
was really funny. And then she goes, she needs to
get a man and stop calling mine. And it's like, okay, Fabiana,
the friendship is fully only in Dana's eyes. Okay, Fabiana
does not like Dana very much, it seems. But Fabiana goes, look,
Javier needs money. He does whatever Dana says. So behind
the glass Live is watching. Careesi rolls up and goes,
I've been thinking about it. How fucking specific thirty seven

(56:58):
thousand dollars is. It's like, yeah, it was the first
thing I thought of when they said it, like, not
not thirty thousand, not forty thousand, thirty seven. So he
looked up the divorce Abad Davids and Dana accused Sam
of hiding exactly thirty seven thousand dollars in assets. Now
they are talking to Xavier, who, by the way, as
I said earlier, speaks perfect English.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
He's like, leave Fabiana alone. She had nothing to do
with this.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
Miss Dana told him about the thirty seven thousand and
then jer Javier has a lawyer in a gross suit, like,
I mean, he's not he doesn't look like he's no Buchanan.
And he's like, he was hired to pick up Owen.
This was an activity sanctioned by the mother. It's like
they restrained him around a poll. He's traumatized, like it's
not like a fun playdate role play and Cariese's like,

(57:46):
you're calling this a playdate and he's like, some antics.
She hired him to pick up the Sun and guaranteed
payment through her ex and they're like, where's the proof.
She paid Javier the first of two installments of five
hundred dollars last Monday. I got yeah, So that's when
you're kind of like, WHOA, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (58:02):
And she I alway love about, Like semantics is such
a big word for someone who doesn't speak English. You know,
it's funny how they I keep laughing about that he
doesn't know nothing. He's like, ah, semantic, high level, so funny.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
So he also says she texted me everything about picking
them up at the school, the instructions on how to
sign them out, and they're like, well, those texts aren't
on Javiers on his phone and he goes, oh, they're
on my old phone and they're like, oh your old phone.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
Okay, well we're gonna need the number.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
And the lawyer says, give us a deal, we'll give
you the phone, and they're like, you have absolutely no
a leverage. Give us the fucking number. So Javier takes
the bat of paper and we're getting the number. So
now the cops are chatting they're gonna bring in Dana
and ask her about all this shit. Now they still
haven't even asked her, and if she doesn't come in,
Willingly lives.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
Like arrest her ass.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
So now top of that, for Dana's like, you think
I would let someone take my son and tie him
up just to prove my ex as an ass. She
has a great point. It's like it is a lot point,
you know, it's a great point. Amarro's like the ransom
demand is the same amount you accuse Sam of hiding
and she goes, yeah, Javier or Fabiana must have heard
me talking to my lawyer. They ask her about the

(59:19):
one thousand dollars in cash that she just withdrew, and
she's like, I owed Javier for some work and they're like,
is that the job you're talking about in these texts?
They show her a print out of the text and
she's like, I've never seen these texts before in my life,
and they're like, well, these texts came from your phone,
and she's like, I don't understand who else has access
to your phone? I mean a whole fucking yoga class.
No one except Owen, she says, sometimes plays games on them.

(59:42):
Amarro's getting heated and he goes, so oh oh, so
Owen arranged his own kidnapping and she's like, look, I
misplaced my phone all the time, ask Owen. He always
tells me I'm not good with things. And I'm like,
this woman is too ditsy to plan this, Like it's true.
I mean, but then again, we've seen women come out
of it with the app act right like it was
a total act that they were.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
You know that they're like a dits and they need
help or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
A Damsel in Distress act and Benson is like, yeah,
let's go ask Owen about it. So back at the
children's hospital, Sam is like, I want to take him home.
I should be there when you talk to him. And
they're like, well, Dana gave us permission to talk to
him alone. Is it a problem for you. He's like, no, no, no, no,
it's no problem. I'm just wondering what's left to be investigated.
I mean, you got Javy Air red handed. Do I
need to get a lawyer for Owen or a lawyer

(01:00:25):
for Dana? And it's like, suddenly you'd get her a lawyer, Like,
I don't get this divorce these two. Careese tells him
not to worry about it. Go why don't you have
a smoke and we'll call you when we're done. So,
after a quick Dino fight with Careese, Owen coughs up
that sometimes his dad comes over when he's not technically
supposed to.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
He like him and Owen just talk.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
They play. They talk about whether his mom has boyfriends.
He checks the smoke detectors for batteries. Does he ever
look at her iPad?

Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
But he takes her phone away from me. She leaves
her phone at home when she goes out. They ask
and he's like, well, she forgets they and sometimes if
I want to play on it and she doesn't notice
it's missing. And it's like, damn, this kid's gaslighting his mom.
He's like, you're always losing your phone. I'm taking it sometimes.
So what does he do with her phone? And he goes, oh,

(01:01:16):
he goes through her emails and photos, like the kid
sees a lot. Okay, Fabian is usually there sometimes when
dad is there, Fabiana goes and gets me McDonald's.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
But I'm also not supposed to tell about that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
So at the precinct, they bring Javier to the fish
bowl to see Fabiana still being questioned, and he's like,
I told you she's innocent. But Fabiana's prints are all
over the cell phone, which I don't think.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Is that crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
If you're the nanny, maybe you touch the phone. She
knew Owen's schedule, and she knew how much cash the
dad had, and he's like, no, no, no, it was
all miss Dana. So liv goes, no, it wasn't. A
mother wouldn't do that to her own son. And it's like, girl,
be for real. We've seen mothers do some crazy shit
to their own side, like come on like and they're like,

(01:01:58):
come clean, Javier, chance, what did Fabiana ask you to do?
And then he whispers with his lawyer and uh uh oh,
he wants to revise his statement and if we tell
you who really set this up, what's in it for him?
And Carisee's like, how about not taking the weight of
a felony kidnapping charge all on your own? And then
Javier says, dun, dun, it was mister Sam. He told
me to say it was all miss Dana. He did

(01:02:20):
all of it. Uh oh. And Carisee's like, she was
the one who filed for divorce. Maybe he's trying to
get back at her, and like a dad wouldn't do this,
I know. They're like, oh well, duff, of course, of course.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
I was a dad.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
So liv gets off the phone with Barbara checking in
from Saint Bart's like, he's so rich, where does he
get the money? Like I know he went to Harvard
and stuff, but he's in EIGHTYA in New York City,
which I googled, and they make between eighty five and
two hundred and ninety three thousand dollars a year now,
two ninety three is nothing to sneeze at. But Barbara's
always in like top of the line outfits. He's in

(01:02:59):
Stauds skiing, he's in Saint Bart's. I'm just saying, Barbara,
where's this money coming from? Are we lecturing on the side?
What's happening anyway? Barba says, we can charge Javier on
the kidnapping, but in terms of anyone else, Javier's word
is no good, and Finn's like, oh man, this guy,
Javier is just a fall guy. And they're like, well,
if Dana says she's innocent, why don't we make her

(01:03:20):
prove it. So cut to them wiring up Dana. Okay,
they're putting a wire on her, and she's like, I
don't know what I'm supposed to say to him, Like
he knows I've been talking to the police. She also
has she thinks there's no way Sam did this, Like
she thinks that she's just gonna go in there and
it's gonna like be a cash conversation and then like
she'll walk out and be like, see nothing there. So
Dana goes into the restaurant to talk to Sam, and

(01:03:43):
he's talking about how business has been bad, and she's like,
what are we gonna do? The cops think I set
this all up. And he's like, you can't even balance
your check book and she's like tell them that, which
is funny because I think balancing your check book's not
even like a thing anymore. He goes, I can't fix
everything for everyone. I had to fire three people. You're
bleeding me dry with the alimony, and the wife is
putting on a great performance, like she's like, we may

(01:04:05):
never get our son back, and he says it's yeah alimony,
like yeah, yeah, yeah, like there because they're like and
they're talking about sending him to I think I forgot
to mention this. They're talking about sending him to a
foster home. So I don't know if that's real or
if that's just for the the wire like the sting,
but like he should be more concerned about that, And
he's like, it's your fault anyway. If you'd had your

(01:04:27):
phone with you and Hobby are called, the police would
have never been involved. He called, and you weren't there
for him. Owen needs protection. He's too trusting. She goes,
I don't want him growing up in fear. There are
other ways of protecting him, and the dad's like, you're
late for pickups. You forget to schedule the nanny Half
the time he's alone at the apartment. I was actually
trying to protect him. And she's like, wait, wait, wait,

(01:04:48):
you had him kidnapped. And he's like, it was supposed
to be for thirty minutes to scare him, to teach
him a lesson, so he doesn't walk away with strangers
to wake you up, so you pay more attention. It's like,
if it was supposed to be a stranger, don't pick
someone he's met a couple of times. That's all it takes.
Like really, And she's not that I agree with this
as an exercise in any way, but he didn't really

(01:05:08):
go with a full stranger. It is his nanny's boyfriend.
She says, what have you done? And he says, I'm sorry.
I didn't mean for it to go this far, and
she goes, don't say another word, and she shows him
that she's wearing the wire.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
Like they do.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Still respect each other, these two, and she's like, just stop,
just stop talking like quietly. She's just like and then
she's like, the police said this would exonerate you. I
didn't actually think you did it. So she is like
such a like she went in there thinking he's totally innocent.
This will just be he'll be exonerated and we could
just blame this all on Javier, who's the real bad
guy here. I guess, so, I guess you're going now,

(01:05:40):
you're definitely going back to work, sweetheart. And she holds
Sam's hand and she says, this is not what I
wanted and he's like me neither, and then Tomorrow takes
him in. So now at Benson's office, Dana walks in
and it's like, okay, can I take Owen home now?
And Benson's like, well, the cork gave you custody, but girl,
are you good? Like can you take care of him?

(01:06:01):
And She's like, I love Owen, but I am afraid
to do this alone. Sam's a good father, Owen needs him.
Can you just tell the DA as if, like they
can just call this whole thing off. This has been
like a full day of police police like legwork, resources,
a surveillance van.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
I mean, come on.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Benson's like, girl, it isn't your decision. Like the DA
complete it down to unlawful imprisonment, which is a misdemeanor,
but he could get six months and she's like, how
will I support myself?

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
Like, you're in New York City. Even if he gave you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
The thirty seven thousand, girl, I don't know how much,
how long that would even last? You, Like, You've got
to get a job. And that's what Live says. She goes,
you got to figure it out. You got to get
a job. And she's like, it's been so long, I
don't know where to start. And he's she goes, so
learn you have a child. It's not about you. You
need to be the parent, not Owen. And Benson has
zero time for this shit. She's like, I have a

(01:06:55):
little kid with health problems who I leave at daycare
because and I run a fucking squad busting pedophiles, Like
I'm busy, I work, And now it's.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Finally she should be a real housewive. I know this
is the thing, this is the thing, the real Ja. Yeah,
the real gen from the OC. She is Gen from
the OC. I don't know he pays the bills. I don't.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
I guess I just thought my rent would be paid,
like she doesn't know. And they also looked like they
were coming out of like a nice brownstone or at
least a nice apartment, so I don't know. It's syncing
in for Dana finally, and she's like, all right, maybe
I do have to like get my shit together and
like stop smoking weed and you know, going to yoga
every day because it's made me into a.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Person that's unreliable.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
And Owen and Sonny have a cute little goodbye, and
Owen and Dana leave, and now they're all standing around
wondering if that's the best thing for Owen to go
with Dana, and Benson's like, she's gonna get her act together.
I think this really was a wake up call for her.
I mean, hopefully Jesus. Benson says, I have to go
and and Finn, you hold down the fort.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
It'll be good practice.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
And Finn's like, They're like, what is she talking about
good practice. Finn's like, well, if she moves up to lieutenant,
she wants me to take the sergeant exam and be
the number two. And Tomorrow's like, whoa, congrats, and Finn's like,
I'm not interested, not gonna happen, and then the camera
zooms in on Tomorrow just ambitiously looking towards Liv's office,
and that's dick Wolf baby, And you know one of

(01:08:25):
the episodes where no rapes, no murders, just a ditzy
mom figuring out how to get her life together. And
now a dad with a dumb, dumb idea going to jail.
But he's like gonna lose his restaurant. So I don't
really know what's gonna happen to the whole family.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Well, and Javier is also gonna go to prison, like
that is a kidnapping.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
And here's my question for you, does Fabian have anything
to do with it?

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
Or no?

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Do you think Fabiana sent the text or do you
think he sent the text or like she was in
it to get the money with Xavier or or no.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
I don't know, because I wonder how Hannah was being
such a bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
I'm sure she knew, Yeah, because how else did the
dad really get in touch with the And he's the
one that would send her to McDonald's to go get stuff. Yeah,
he like did shady stuff in the house. Yeah, everyone
is team dad. Yeah, well they know who holds the bag, right,
so's if he's paying. But anyway, that's that on that

(01:09:25):
parent's nightmare. I mean, we've seen worse parents' nightmares on
the show. I'm glad she got him back.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Yeah, and I guess, you know, for the dad, the
kid will be scared of everyone in his life, so
that's good, POSI.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
There's definitely like a happy medium between don't talk to
any stranger ever and be prepared to be kidnapped at
any time, and the MoMA leaves her phone everywhere and
doesn't even have pennies for the penny harvest lying around,
you know, like she can't find anything in her house.
She's a mess. But there's a happy medium. They got
to get to it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Yeah, Okay, so I'm gonna move it along. We're going
to Missouri, everyone, Uh, let's go. It's a town called Troy,
about an hour northwest of Saint Louis, And this is

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twenty fifteen. So right around the episode, a six year
old boy goes through a four hour stage kidnapping because
his family thought he was being too nice to people
he didn't know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
So you got, God, you gotta make sure to get
that out of them.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
And like always, the most dangerous person to the you know, children,
is their family. Four people were involved in the plot,
so it's the boy's mom, the boy's grandmother, the boy's aunt,
and then a coworker of the aunt that they finangled
into this plot and they were all charged with kidnapping.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
So it didn't go well. They wanted to tears. It's
really little.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
It's like that actually wrote that they wanted to educate
at this child. But six only six, like only being
on the planet for six years, and it's like eurpiss,
he's nice. It's so this, yeah, it's really fucked and
this enraged me. And like you said, we cover such
heinous crimes, but this one really like got me going.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
So the press release from the sheriff's office said that
the family felt they did nothing wrong. Charlie James, one
of the defense attorneys, said, according to the Guardian, that
the family used extremely poor judgment in setting this all up,
but that the actions were born out of an intense
and sincere love for the child and the desire to
protect him from others by teaching him to protect himself.

(01:11:46):
So that's that's a lawyer. They just wanted to frighten
the child. You could have taken him to you know,
Six Flags Halloween Halloween Nights or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
I mean yeah, it's like there are a lot of house. Yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
I would sooner you show a kid a documentary about
a kid being kidnapped or something than like, then just
actually do a causeplay of it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Yeah, show him taken? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Yeah, ransom?

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
What else can you show it to get me son? Yes? Ransom.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
So they just wanted to frighten the child. Okay, So
I was thinking of another kidnapping site. Shit, oh maybe Room,
that might be one.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
Yeah, I haven't seen Room. I don't know. I don't
even showroom.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Room is so scary, well better than what's happened to
traumatize it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
So they frightened this kid. They didn't see it as terrorizing.
But we'll be the judges of that. So what went down.
The boy was lured on a Monday into a pickup
truck after getting off his school bus. He was then
tied up, threatened with a gun, taken to a basement
where his pants were removed, moved, and he was told
he was gonna be sold into sex slavery.

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
What the fuck? I know it's I'm laughing because I'm
kids don't even know what sex is. What are you
talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
The Coast of the coworker, Nathan went fearavid. He also
told the kid that he would never see his mom
again and also threatened to nail him to the wall
of a shed. And this is according to the sheriff
by way of CNN. And also this Nathan guy's only
twenty three, so this is kind of horrifying. It's horrifying.

(01:13:37):
So the boy starts crying. The guy takes the gun
out to be like, well, I'm gonna scare you, and
he had a box of bullets. He showed him to
us plastic bags to tie the kid's hands and feet
together and then use the jacket to cover the boy's
head so he couldn't see.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
But it's like you obviously had this inside of you,
Like you could have just kidnapped him, and it's been
like an okay, chill scenario, like you obviously are an
extreme like this is the most extreme version of the
fake kidnapping again, blinding, taking pants off, threatening sex, slavery,
and like and that you'll be taken forever like it is.
I guess she picked the right guy to do the crime. Deranged, deranged. Yeah,

(01:14:17):
so then when he was taken to the basement, you
know the kid had this jacket on his head, but
the aunt is the one who took the pants off
the nephew.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
Oh my god. So it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
So once he was unbound, he was told to go upstairs,
and there his family was ready to lecture him about
stranger danger. So he comes up, he's in his own
home and they're like, you dumb bitch, stranger danger. And
there's a lot of evidence they kept updating each other
using their own phones the whole time, but that makes

(01:14:50):
sense because they didn't think they were doing anything wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
They were all charged.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
So the twenty five year old mother, Elizabeth Hupp, was
charged with felony kidnapping and felony abuse and neglect of
a child, the fifty year old grandmother, Rose Brewer, and
the aunt, Denise Crowtail. The grandma is fifty eight and
the aunt was thirty eight. I don't know why. I'm like,
this is like a Cosmo article. I need to give
everyone's ages, but it is interesting for some reason. And

(01:15:16):
then the coworker, like, I said, Nathan, he was only
twenty three. And they were all charged in addition with
felonious felonius felonius restraint. But I don't felonious is correct. Okay,
I thought that was just a name, and then I
felt weird. Uh, we have felonious restraint. I don't like it.
It makes me feel dirty. He was put in protective

(01:15:39):
custody after he told school officials what happened to him.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
So, thank god.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
Let you imagine a teacher tells you. Let you tell
you're a teacher, and a kid tells you. Oh yeah,
I was in a back of a taluk with a
gun and then I went down into a basement and
I was tied up and my pants were taken off,
Like what the fuck?

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
Thank god?

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
He told someone. I was about to ask you, how
did they even get caught?

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Yeah, So that happened on a Monday, and then on
Wednesday he told his teacher. The school contacted child Services.
They obviously all pled not guilty, because they're morons. The
grandmother Rose was sentenced after entering an Alfred plea to
misdemeanor child in dangerment and the plea. This kind of
plea is where a defendant maintains innocence but acknowledges that

(01:16:27):
prosecutors have enough evidence for a conviction.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
So love that kind of vibe. The other women, the
mom and the aunt.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
They pled guilty so felony child endangerment charges and received
five years probation. I could not find any information on
Nathan or the sun, like whether he went back to
live with these people, like at this point, do you
go back to these lunatics or do you go into
foster care? Like is it better to be? Like I
don't even know. I couldn't find any information.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
They don't even actually release the kid's name, so I'm
sure there was some sort of gag order like with
this case.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
And yeah, this Nathan got nothing about him. He might
changes it, not in an inmate lot. Nothing. And this
is interesting because this is so much of like news
where everything was like charge charge, charge, we got them,
we got and then no. Then then there's no follow up,
like what were the convictions? What happened to this kid?
You know, like nothing, that's all just articles about the

(01:17:22):
charges and so.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
And it was twenty fifteen, so it was nine years ago.
So that kid's really like only fifteen right now or
something like.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
Still young, still young, So maybe that's why it's good.
And maybe at eighteen he'll write a book and tell
us about his life.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
Jesus.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
I mean it's like you want to say, Okay, yeah,
I guess you don't want him to be in the
foster system.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
But also like what is this name? Happy with these people?
What are these people gonna how what? How old are they?

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
Maybe there's other lessons? How are they gonna teach you
about safe sex? Like get someone to fake a pregnancy immediately?

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Like what Yeah, maybe there's like relatives or like family
friends that can take him or something. Yeah, Like I wonder,
but I don't know what an end up happening to
him or Nathan so. And then under the women you know,
uh served any jail time. I wonder whose fucking idea
it was. It was the mom's. The mom was the
mom's idea, and she got everyone involved.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
Fuck crazy. I heard about this case.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
I feel like I heard about it, like vaguely, but
I don't think I remember how horrible it was. I
think I remember like, oh, they kidnapped him or whatever,
but like not the.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
No, you know, what I remember is the one where
it was like they put him in a they put
a kid in a hot air balloon and it was
like a hot air balloon hoax. Yes, Like I remember
that I don't remember this at all.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
Yeah, the Hot air balloon hoax.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
I think I read about this one too, though they
never made an s view about the Hot air Balloon oaks.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Maybe they did, Maybe they did.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
All right, I mean, I guess that SV for still
not doing a Housewives one. It's like so annoying, so
much crime. There's so many bad people, so many do
I'm used to get it together. Give us the crossover
of our dreams.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
Yeah, yeah, a mysterious black eye stealing money from old people.
There's so much you can do, all right, Well, no guests, Yeah,
well this episode will We'll roll right into our post
mortem baby thoughts. Thoughts thoughts, well, no guests, just a

(01:19:32):
crazy episode of people playing weird.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Just grateful that the kid's alive because I thought it
was gonna be the dead kid episode.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
Yes, in both, In both cases, I'm glad that this
other kid didn't get more. But honestly, he's traumatized the
kid in real life.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Oh but like, oh yeah, sorry, I'm not thinking of
the real case.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
I'm not thinking of the real of course.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
Of course, But like, yeah, it's always nice to have
an episode where no one dies, you know, or is
uh or is you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
Know, no, the kid will never trust again or he'll
think that that's like normal interactions and like you know,
people will be able to mistreat him forever, like I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Know, or like yeah, or the kid on the episode,
it's like, do you really know my mom?

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
Are you?

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
I think like you have to move out of the
city or something like you have to move that kid
to a farm. I don't know, Like that's not that's
I don't believe well. I mean, she's not going be
able to afford to live in the city.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
That woman. She lives in a nice brownstone.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
She's got to go back to work for the first
time in what eight years since this kid was born.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
He was in his restaurant when he goes to jail.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
I know, but it's kind of just like I don't
trust rich people when they say that, they're like, oh,
I don't know what I'm gonna do, and it's like
I bet she has. Look it's like Shannon from the OC,
Like Shannon's always like, I don't have money, and it's
like it seems like you had sixty K to just
pay out right now, I don't have money. Did you
not spend two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, like you know,

(01:20:54):
it's or it's like Erica Jane, Oh my god, and
it's like she is still in a three bedroom house.
So I feel so if this woman's in a brownstone
and she's like just flighty and not, I bet she
has family money and she goes to yoga.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
Yeah, I just don't buy it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
But I think she should get a job so she
could be a functioning member of like her body and
time on this planet Earth.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
Because she is, she's got to.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
Get it together and she might have adult ADHD or something.
I mean, she's not remembering her phone anywhere, she doesn't
remember appointment that we gotta get.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
Oh my god, hold on.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
Maybe maybe there's So I went out with some old
friends comics to like a four am bar that I love,
had pizza puffs like so happy, and then a physical
altercation breaks out because some of the guys won't book
one of the guys on like the comedy show, and
a chair was thrown. Security got involved, and I go, wow,
nothing has changed, Get me out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
Oh my god, drama a fight, I know, you know,
whoa whoa, Well that's those are the kind of people
that this man is trying to protect his son from,
and that's why he's sending a random handyman to kidnap him.
I don't know the postmortem?

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
What an idiot?

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
Don't be the worst parent ever like that? This is
like a hard Did you ask one friend for advice?
Like why? Like I did?

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
Not one person in the real life fan Like not
one person's like I don't know if this is a
good idea. Wait do you think like no second guessing
this restaurant tour like the boyfriend he asked to get
in couldn't be like I don't know, man, really yeah,
And then try to blame the woman, being like you
didn't answer your phone and it's like, yeah, maybe kidnap her, yeah,

(01:22:35):
take her a lesson. But it's like then to blame
her because she didn't answer the phone and the cops
shouldn't have been involved, and it's like what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Yeah, it's like you could have shown him like a
documentary about a kid getting kidnapped and getting murdered like that,
and that would have still been too traumatic to show
a kid, but better than what happened.

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
Like.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
Ransom, Yeah, yeah, ransom, get made back?

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
My son.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
Tell you about that? Did I ever talk you about
that? That used to be at UCB when I took improv classes.
That was a big game that you would play. Like
you would have to like all your class would get
into like a circle and they would make serious like
be serious like no smiles, and you would have to
go up to them and say give me back my
son and make them laugh. You'd have to do it
in like a way. I think it was like to

(01:23:22):
teach commitment and stuff, like you'd have to be like,
give me back my son, give me.

Speaker 3 (01:23:25):
Back my son.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
Like you have to just like do it in as
many ways as you could and try.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
To get people to laugh. I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
Yeah, it was a fun little game. But okay, fuck
that family weirdos. Yeahs Yeah, poor King. I hope he
gets out of that dumb town.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
Me too, Oh my god. Uh. But this week, let's
move on to our what would Sister Peg do our?

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
This is our weekly segment where we give you guys
an article, a book, a documentary, anything.

Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
To give you more information about what we talked about.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
And this week for WWSPD, I wanted to point you
to an article on the Scholastic website that's called talking
about Stranger Safety. I think a lot of people wonder
how to talk to their kids about talking to strangers.
What's being polite, what's being you know, dangerous? And you
know they don't want to scare their kids, but they
want to talk about and there's different ways to do
it in different age groups. And this article kind of

(01:24:17):
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based on the age of your kid, plus talking points
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