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November 16, 2025 • 13 mins

What motivates you? Money, power, regret... how about death?

We dive into the science of death and deadlines and explore why some people find this thought intensely motivational while others descend into panic.

And in headlines today, The coalition's new energy policy puts affordability ahead of emissions reduction; US House speaker says releasing Epstein files will put allegations Trump has something to do with it to rest; Paris Hilton claims she is self-made; Taylor Swift is flying to London to shoot her next music video.

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Hosts: Taylah Strano & Claire Murphy

Guest: 

Em Vernem, Mamamia Associate Editor

Carly Dober, Director of the Australian Association of Psychologists 

Audio Producer: Lu Hill 

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to a Mumma mea podcast. Hey, I'm Taylor Strano.
This is MMA MIA's twice daily news podcast, The Quickie.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
What motivates you?

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Money, fame, power, revenge, happiness, What about death? Motivation looks
a lot different in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Before we get there.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Here's Clare Murphy with the latest from the QUICKI newsroom
for Monday, November seventeen.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Thanks Taylor, Liberal leader Susan Lee and National's counterpart David
Little Proud outline the coalition's new energy policy yesterday, focusing
on affordability rather than emission's reductions. Shifting away from renewable
energy by keeping coal plants open and underwriting energy investments
including coal and gas with taxpayer funds are key planks
of the coalition's policy after dumping a net zero missions target.

(01:00):
The energy policy shift comes as new opinion polling shows
coalition supporters jumping ship to Nation and labor, and Miss
Lee's popularity plummeting to a record low. The Coalition still
sought to reduce carbon emissions, but not at the expense
of family or business budgets. According to the US House
of Representative Speaker Mike Johnson, the approaching vote on releasing

(01:20):
files related to Jeffrey Epstein should help put to rest
allegations that President Donald Trump had any connection to the
late sex offenders abuse and trafficking of underage girls. Johnson
told Fox News that the Democrats are doing this to
go after President Trump on the theory that he has
something to do with it.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
He does not.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
He says, Epstein is their entire game plan. So we're
going to take that weapon out of their hands, saying,
let's just get this done and move it on. There's
nothing to hide. Though Trump and Epstein were photographed together
decades ago, the president has said the two men fell
out prior to Epstein's convictions. Emails released late last week
by a House committee showed Epstein believe Trump knew about

(01:58):
the girls, though it was not clear what that phrase meant.
Trump has since instructed the Department of Justice to investigate
prominent Democrat ties to Epstein. The battle over disclosure of
more Epstein related documents, a subject Trump himself campaigned on,
has opened a rift with some of his allies in Congress.
The president late on Friday withdrew his support for US

(02:18):
Representative Marjorie Taylor Green of Georgia, long one of his
staunchest supporters in Congress, following her criticism of Republicans on
certain issues, including the handling of the Epstein files Paris.
Hilton has told The Times newspaper in an interview that
she is self made and that no one has ever
given her anything in her entire life. Hilton, whose parents
have a combined net worth of hundreds of millions of dollars,

(02:40):
says she's proud of what she's achieved with her company,
which employs twenty five people and is said to be
worth US one billion dollars, telling The Times, I'm self made,
like I've done this all on my own. Hilton also
told the paper she's now obsessed with longevity and is
planning a wellness and longevity center in her home that
will be like no spy you've ever seen in the world,
saying the whole room's going to be pink with crystals,

(03:03):
and it's just going to look like you're walking into
another like a different planet almost where it's just like
this fantastical, high tech, futuristic place. She says she's heard
her friend's say it's possible to now live to one
hundred and fifty or one hundred and sixty years old.
Taylor Swift is flying to London to shoot her next
music video. The thirty five year old US singer will
reportedly be in the UK next week to work on

(03:24):
a promo for her The Life of a Showgirl track
Elizabeth Taylor, because she wanted to pay homage to the
late actress by honoring her early life in the city.
Dame Elizabeth, who died in twenty eleven age seventy nine,
was born in Hampstead, North London. Her childhood home has
a blue plant, commemorating the fact that she lived there
before her family moved to la when she was seven.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Thanks Clan.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Next, what actually motivates people and how does death, yes,
death into the picture.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
It's that time of year.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
We're all exhausted, dreaming of end of year breaks and
maybe needing a mental reset to keep going until summer.
But if hacking your morning routine or bucket loose aren't
cutting it. Welcome to the latest pop psychology trend. Being
motivated by the fact that life, well, it ends. It

(04:20):
sounds on, but motivation gurus, psychologists, and even comedians say
thinking about death can clarify what matters most. It can
push you to get unstuck or just give you the
nudgs you need to try something that scares you.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
Death is a constant reminder that actually we do have
an end to this chapter on earth as we know it,
and with humans, you know, our brains work in really
amazing ways. We know that death occurs, We know that
death touches people. We know that fundamentally humans all day,
but we have a psychological distancing. We can't really understand

(04:55):
in a tangible way that death comes for us. So
for some people who are more comfortable with death and
feel less death anxiety, death can be a really powerful
motivator because it gains when we understand our time is
finite and also that tomorrow isn't actually guaranteed, Whereas for
other people, death and the notion that we will die
can be utterly paralyzing because big existential questions come. You

(05:18):
know what comes after this? You know, what's the point
of it all? Why am I here? Am I doing
enough with my life? It can be really overwhelming.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
That's psychologist Carli Dover.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
She says, when it comes to motivation, it's really dealer's choice.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
Motivations are used because our brains really like ticking off
projects or goals and being motivated to actually achieve a
goal and tick it off, our brains get a really
nice rush of the feel good chemical dopamine, which encourages
us to go and do more of that. So when
people can harness that, you know, that's really really good.
For others though, who might be neurodivergent or might have

(05:55):
you know, traits high in procrastination, it can be quite stressful,
maybe because they don't really know how to do the
goal or do the thing or do the task. So
when people are able to pick a motivator, and you know,
we encourage people to use their strengths do things that
genuinely interest them, that can be really powerful.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Clinical psychologist Urban Yellam argue that confronting our mortality can
lead to more authentic living, aligning our goals with values,
and skipping the trivia. Mamma Mere Associate editor m Vernham
has been looking into motivation herself after reading through others
tools of motivation. There's one that stuck with her death
and deadlines for some reading those weekly obituaries in the

(06:39):
local paper and remembering that our time on this mortal
coil is in fact limited is intense motivation For others, well,
it's a full blown panic attack now, whether you choose
to bury.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Your head in the sand about it or are so well.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Prepared, it had put even the most organized of us
to shame. Death is coming for us all. So for
some people, they're asking, why not use it to push
the narrative along and tick off a few goals in
the process before she descends into full existential panic.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
M Vernum is with us now.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
And this whole spiral started with an exploration into motivational advice.
There was one particular piece of advice though, that's really
struck a chord with you.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Can you tell me about it?

Speaker 5 (07:22):
It's actually so ironic because I had to actually get
motivation to click into this one article about motivation. I
feel like, especially at this time of year, I just
see so many articles about motivation and productivity. I feel
like we kind of go into a bit of a
lull towards like this end of like November, leading up
to Christmas. And I found this article on The Guardian

(07:42):
on seventeen experts giving their best piece of motivational advice,
and a lot of it was quite good, but there
was this one that stuck out to me, and it
said the only two things that motivate me is death
and deadlines. And it just was something that I was like,
oh my god, surely this is a meme, like, surely
this is so funny, but it was a dead serious
quote saying death is the ultimate motivator. And I took

(08:06):
it to my co hosts for the Mummy out Loud
podcast and I put it in thinking they would really
find it really funny and going how crazy is this,
Like I can't believe this person said that, and they
were just like, oh, no, that's true, like death is
the ultimate motivator. And it made us all realize that
there are two different types of people, those who think

(08:29):
about their constantly and see it as the utmost type
of motivation to actually get up and do things, and
those of us like myself, who avoid thinking about death
at all costs, and it does the complete opposite.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Why do you think death motivates people?

Speaker 5 (08:45):
I think I mean, my co host Holly says that
in her live stage now and as like someone in
their fifties, like she thinks about it more, and I
feel like that goes kind of hand in hand with
what my parents think who are in their fifties and
sixties that when you're getting older and you're seeing the
generation above you also getting older. It's just something that's

(09:06):
just constantly present in your life. And I think it's
one of those things where you do start thinking about
your bucket list and you do want to start checking
off goals and wanting to travel and wanting to do
everything that means the most to you rather than just
do every day the same. We talked about how what
you would do in like your last week if it
was your last week on earth, and I think that

(09:30):
kind of hit with me, but I think the death
part of it was just a bit too much for
me to grasp, and like, I wish I could be
that person to think about death and be like, Okay,
now I'm going to get up and do something before
that timeline that knock on wood. That's a very long timeline.
But it's just something that just makes like does I
do the complete opposite, Like I just will shrew love

(09:52):
in bed and not want to think about it.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
You actually went really deep on this one, so I
know that you want to bury your head in the
sand about the inevitable truth it will face but tell
me about the charts that you've uncovered.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
So there's these things called four K charts, and they're
beautifully graphically designed charts, but basically it gives you your
timeline of how many weeks approximately an average person will
have in their life, and each week is shown by
just a little box. And what they do is that,
depending on what your age is, they color in every

(10:25):
box that you've already lived in black and in the
white boxes are the ones that you have left to go.
And a lot of people buy these charts and they
put it up in their bedroom or their bathroom or
their living room, and every week that goes past on
a Monday morning, they will color in their box. And
I think that is meant to be a motivator, of
saying of it just that kind of like acts as
an indicator of what you've realized you've done the previous week,

(10:48):
and while you're coloring it in, it's meant to motivate
you to do something more the next week, or to
like actually show like your whole life is just in
this little box for the week. I didn't even get
to that stage when I went into this website. I
didn't get to this chart stage. I just saw how
many weeks I've done and how many weeks I had left,
and that was just too much for me to handle.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
So you didn't purchase one of these charts.

Speaker 5 (11:13):
Then, absolutely not. I don't even know what my chart
looks like. I think I saw this like estimate that
I have one thy five hundred weeks and I have
like three thousand and eighty two weeks left to go,
and I was like, three thousand sounds like a very
small number.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
So then, m if not death, what does motivate you?

Speaker 5 (11:33):
I think I am motivated via regret in the way
that I tell myself it I don't do this thing,
then I'm going to regret it for the rest of
my life. I feel like it is a passive way
of motivation, as in, like I have to wait for
the opportunity to come to me first for me to
be motivated about it. But I don't have anything that's

(11:55):
motivational in the sense that you should do this thing
otherwise you will die. Like that's something that like I
can outwardly say I want to do before I die,
because I just don't want to think about death. The
thing I think about is regret and even motivation in general.
I feel like that I'm just not the type of
person that waits for motivation to happen to me, because

(12:16):
I'll just be waiting my whole life. I think I
work on a discipline structure. So if I just build
habits and I'm disciplined about what I want to do
or achieve that day or achieve that week, that's how
I inadvertently stay motivated, but actually waiting for something to
motivate me. I'm just not the kind of person that
like works that way.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
For the record, I don't think death motivates me, but
I'm also not scared of it. The thought of living
forever is well, frankly exhausting. A deadline though. Now that's,
as the kids would say, absolute nightmare. Fuel for this
news junkie. So I guess that's my motivator. Tell us
yours over at the Quickie on Instagram. Thanks for taking

(13:01):
some time to feed your mind with us today.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
The Quiki is.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Produced by me Taylor Estrano, Laria Brophy, and Clare Murphy,
with audio production by lou Hill.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
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