August 6, 2025 • 28 mins
On this weeks fashion drop, Leigh's joined by Bespoke Style Enhancer Grace Lam who has seen it all, styled everyone, and isn't afraid to tell you the truth about your wardrobe! After 25 years working with the biggest names in fashion (including a decade at Vogue China), Grace has landed in Melbourne with some serious opinions about how we dress.
She runs us through her new brand crushes, her thrifting tips and tricks, and we find out how a simple sock upgrade can transform your entire look. She's also got the ultimate reality check: most of us can't see what's in our overstuffed wardrobes, so how can we wear it? Grace doesn't follow trends—she creates her own rules!
EVERYTHING MENTIONED:
Grace's Budget:
MUJI Andes Wool Cable Stitch Crewneck Swearer $129
Leigh's Budget:
UNIQLO JW Anderson Heattech Scarf $39.90
LOWF Apparel Axis Quilted Vest $239
Best Double Breasted Jacket $655
Leigh's Boujie:
Onitsuka Tiger Mexico 66 Slip-On $160
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mama Mia acknowledges
the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast
is recorded on Hey you bees, Lee here popping into
your ears again because I want you to hear something
confronting but worth it. I recently had Grace Lamb on
Nothing to Wear, and she has no filter. She gives
(00:32):
it to a straight and she gave me the best
tips and tricks about how to get out of your
comfort zone and how to wear what you want and
just feel confident doing it. So I reckon everyone should
have a listen and take a leaf out of Grace's book.
So we're dropping the episode here and I hope you
enjoy it. Whoever said orange is a new pink with
seriously disturved laurels spraying groundbreaking? Oh my god, you have
(00:54):
to do it. You live for fashion. Hello, and welcome
to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that solves fashion problems
and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell, and every
week I chat to an expert who helps us work
out how to get more out of the clothes we
already own and tells us exactly what is and isn't
worth adding to our Wardrobes Now Friends Today, we're in
(01:17):
for a bit of a treat. If you are also
a listener of the podcast by Hollywayen right mid, you'll
know the guest we're about to talk to. She's one
of Asia's most distinguished editors and stylists with over twenty
five years experience in the fashion world. I'm talking about
the iconic Grace Lamb. Grace cut her teeth working under
Edward Eninfull, the one and only amazing former editor in
(01:40):
chief at British Vogue, and in two thousand and five
she became absolutely pivotal in launching Vogue China, where she
spent a decade as the senior fashion style editor. She's
style Kate Moss, Naomi Campbell, Lana del Rey, and she's
collaborated with brands like Door, Burberry and Estae Lauder. Grace
now lives in Australia and she brings her unparalleled styling
(02:03):
expertise to Melbourne. I'm slightly scared but incredibly inspired by
Grace because there's nobs with d her. She is completely
honest about fashions. So I'm going to ask Grace's opinion
on lots of different things, including the difference between Western
style and Asian style, why Australians love wearing their active
wear so much, and her thoughts on trends does she
(02:24):
buy into them or not. Let's get into it, okay, Grace, firstly,
thank you for joining me. I'm excited. I'm a little
bit scared. I loved your episodes of mid that you
did with Holly, so welcome to Nothing to Wear. And
before we get into the topic, I ask guests a
few questions, the first of which is can you describe
your own style in three words?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Definitely colorful, edgy, and experimental. So that's me.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
That's almost opposite of everything I have. Maybe I'm a
bit experimental, but I love that. Okay. The theory that
we wear ten percent of our wardrobe ninety percent of
the time, so the stuff we reach for more than
the other stuff. What's in your ten percent?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Oh? I don't do spots for leggings. I don't do much.
I have very limited, amma, because I'm not a sporty person.
Of course, you know, when I go to the gym,
I do have to wear those. When I moved from
Hong Kong, Australia five years ago, I started living in
per first and then moved to Melbourne recently. I've never
seen so many bloody Lululemon leggings in my life in
(03:25):
one place. Yes, And I thought, oh my god, if
I can have a pound a UK pound for every
pair of leggings I see every day every week, I'll
be like a billionaire. I just don't know what it is.
You know they love wearing leisure. You are out ninety
percent of my stuff. I would say, I am not
picky about buying one item, you know a lot. I
(03:47):
have a lot of mix of everything. So that's how
I like to extend my wardrobe.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
And do you often, you know, reach for those things
and mix and matro If you're in a rush, do
you just grab the stuff you love or you really
try and make sure you wear everything.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I like to wear everything because I like to create
a character of myself every day if I can, If
I can be bothered a day, it just gives me
an idea, or I plan my outfit the night before.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yes, oh, I was going to ask you that, Oh gosh,
that's Goulls. I mean, I have a lot of clothes
and I think I wear maybe thirty percent. But sometimes
I'm just like the leggings. I'm sorry. All right, We're
gonna start with a bit of your career because that
really illustrates, you, know, what you're doing here on this podcast.
Your time at Vogue China. I'd love to hear about that.
Assisting the editor in chief of British Folk, no big deal.
(04:32):
So can you talk to us about that era of
your career.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
So I'm from Hong Kong originally, and I went to
UK boarding school when I was quite young. So then
I ended up living in UK most of my life actually,
and I went to Central St Martins and I dig
graphic designed into fashion. So I did a degree there
and because it was such a well known, you know,
art school, we get a lot of like famous speakers
to come. And then during my second year of Saint Martin's,
(04:56):
I met Terry Jones, who was the founder of the
Street Bible magazine, ID magazine. Yes, And being like a
really naive little girl, I was like, oh, you know,
I'm gonna have my own magazine one day. You watch
blah blah blah and you'll like, oh yeah, we'll see
you about that. And he liked how I dressed and
he said to me, oh, do you want to become
a stylist because you're very stylish, And how.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Did you dress back then? Can you describe it?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Oh, kind of like edgy, like very London grungy, but
like kind of like a sheep grungy. My, you know what,
My mother is color blind. She is the most fierce
dresser I've ever met, because she I mean, can you
imagine being color blind? And you dress so colorful every
day since I was young, with all my sisters, we
(05:43):
we idolized her in the way she dressed. And she's
just she has great taste. My dad is opposite. My
dad had no taste.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
So very well, okay, were you influenced by her? He's
seeing you and gone, you're stylish? Do you want to
be a stylist? And so was your answer?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yes, I don't know what it was. I asked him
what is a stylist? And it was, oh, come an
intern for us. So I was like, okay. So I
did internship when I was in my second year Saint
Martin's and then met Edward Enning, who was a fashion
director at Large, and I mean I knew who was
a big deal. And then you know, I started I
was as an editorius system. After I left Martin's. You know,
(06:20):
I did all the shitty jobs. You know, I don't
know how many photocopy things I did.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, we've all been there. I started an editorial assistant
at a magazine.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, and then when Edward was looking for a full
time assistant, I got put forward, went for an interview,
and then got the job immediately. Let's stay on a
Monday Thursday. He flew me to Milan and we did
the Jill Sounder fashion Show.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Wow wow, And that was the start of the rest
of your life. They needed a decade as senior fashion
style editor of Vogue China. So what was that like?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Because I consider myself as a very Londoner and how
I was trained under Edward ENNINGFO is very different from
working in Asia. And I've actually never worked in Asia
in my life. I thought I was going to die
in London, marry a brit And now you know, I
have an Italian Australian fashion beauty photographer you know, who's amazing.
(07:09):
So it was quite an eye opening experience for me
because I've never worked in Asia and how they do
fashion shoes over that is so different. Back in two
thousand and five.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
And so you were there for ten years? Yes, yes, wow, okay,
so that was obviously you know, you've well and truly
on the new course of not so new now but
fashion and that wasn't what you were set out to do.
So you've done London, China and you're in Australia. I'm
assuming for family and love.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yes, and yes, because we left Hong Kong because of
the social unrest, and then we left before anyone else
was leaving Hong Kong and people didn't understand why we
wanted to leave. And then we arrived in Perth. Was
Jason from Perth? It's okay, let's go.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah. So then you've been in Perth for a little
bit and now we've recently moved to Melbourne. So gosh,
you've been kind of everywhere. What's your observation. I guess
let's start with, you know, Asian fashion culture for women
and I guess Western fashion culture. But what's the observations
you noticed between Asian fashion cults and Western fashion culture.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I think Asian we talk about women generally, we are
a lot more into like labels, and we sometimes we
were more youthful the way we style. I mean, you
can be walking in Hong Kong the street or mainland China.
You can see someone from the back, very very stylish,
and you go past them and they could be sixty five,
(08:32):
you know. And I think they are more up for
challenging this themselves and the way they dress, and they
don't care really what people think. Of course, there are
a lot of people that are very conservative as well,
but people who love fashion in general, I think the
majority of people, especially in Hong Kong, they are very
into fashion. It doesn't matter whether they get them fashion
(08:52):
from the local market stores or like Zara or H
and M. You know, they love playing with fashion, which
I find is a bit more different in the Western world.
I think Western women, I mean, we'll talk about French
women are very sophisticated. Yes, they know how to themselves,
you know that, they're very very created, but in such
(09:13):
an efforless way. Yes, I mean, aside from all the
Lululemon leggings and things we're talking about, I think in general,
Western women's a little bit more reserved in the way
they dress. We're not talking about fashion people go to
fashion week because that's like that's different.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, But I think the Lulu Lemon you know, the
active way when we're not being we're not at the gym.
That's mostly a nussy thing, right because you know, when
I travel to Paris my friends that live, they say,
you cannot where you're active for unless you're going directly
to the gym and back. So that's quite Australian.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I mean, to be honest, I feel like, let athletic
worship only be in two places, the gym and your
dirty laundry basket.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I love that. I love that, and I might not
agree only because I love my leggings to run around
and chase my five year old, but I get it.
I always feel better about myself and my outfit that
day if I've gotten out of the leggings and actually
style the outfit, even if it's super casual. Having worked
(10:13):
with fashion and in the fashion industry with clients all
around the world, please tell me that there's universal problems
that we face when we're deciding what to wear. Is
there kind of a running theme that you've noticed throughout
your career of women coming to you saying help and
what are those problems?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I think women in general, and a lot of midlife women,
like you know, I'm fifty two, and I do a
lot of starting for midlife women who's going through a perimenopause.
They love staying the safe lanes and they're unwilling to change.
So sometimes I'll get women who contact me, and those
are the one who are a bit more adventurous already,
(10:51):
but still when I meet them, they're, oh, I'm not
sure about this, I'm not sure about that. So it
takes a lot of convincing for them to change theirself
or introducing a new way to dress. I think the
mindset is the most challenging, right. To get them to
try new things is a challenge, that's sure.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
So yeah, mindset makes sense because it all sort of
starts there, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah. And also, going back to a wardrobe, I think
the problem with most people is they stuffed the wardrobe
so much or you can't even see what you have.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Have you been to my house lately, you should see mine.
Hence why I grab my ten percent because the rest
of it's too messy. And I can't say it.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
But I honestly feel you have to hang everything so
you can see. Yeah, And I mean I understand that
you know, wardrobes are limited. I mean, who's got five
thousand square feet house will only put your wardrobe in you.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, be very organized in your wardrobe so you can see.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yes, And does that include you know, kind of quite
frequent clear outs and you know, rotating with summer and
winter if you can't fit it all in one spot,
and just being able to see the stuff you do.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Love what you can't see you're not going to wear. Yeah,
that's a problem. And I have a one in, one
out system. When I buy something new or trying to
get rid of something old, anything that's more than two
years I haven't touched. It's got to go.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Wow, oh my god, you would die if you came
to my house. I need that. But I just I
just am not that person a forty three I don't
think I ever will be. But that's so true.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Well, I love to come to you hous and clean up.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Oh you, I think you think you would also do
some photos offline. But that's interesting. I think it is
so much of a mindset thing because we tell ourselves
I can't wear that, or people will judge me, or
I'm too old for that, or that work doesn't suit me.
But it's as soon as you tea stuff you can't well,
of course you can't.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
No, I think honestly, you need to go shopping or
do some starling session with people who you're cheerleaders. Yes,
don't ask anybody who's going to go, oh, like your
kids or mom, you look shit or whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
But I feel like and this is please take this
a compliment. That's why I kind of love you, is
your raw honesty, and I think that, yes, it's nice
to have someone to build up your confidence, but you
also want the truth, right.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yes. At the same time, I think I'm quite a
hardcore person, so I take a lot of criticism, but
I know a lot of women can't, especially in midlife,
because we're very vulnerable. You know, nothing's working on a body.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, we don't know who we are anymore.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
This is a new person, and then you have very
low self esteem. So the last thing you need is
someone go you know what you look like? Shit? Ye?
On with it?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yes, So it's more about suggesting alternatives, I guess.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yes. I actually recently changed my Instagram handle too. I
used to label myself as a fashion director a fashion statist,
So now my new title I gave myself is fashion
style en hanswer because I realized a lot of women
do not like big changes. If you want to wear
your ugly crocs, which is fine, I would just tweak
(13:41):
everything you look.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, and I guess that way they still keep an
element of their personal style, which is probably in there somewhere.
But it's more about, you know, modernizing, enhancing. I like that.
I have friends that you know, there might be lawyers
or you know, have really kind of serious jobs that
aren't around what they wear. But they they don't have
the confidence or they just think it's too hard, like
they have to have this humongous change by a whole
(14:08):
new wardrobe, and that's just in the too hard basket.
What do we do when we feel uncertain, we don't
want to buy a whole new wardrobe? What do we do?
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Okay, First of all, I highly recommend to do clothing
swap with your friends and have a party because you
don't know what each other have. Or sometimes you look
at your friends you really like the top or a
skirt and you borrow it. Yes, I think that's number one.
Number two, if you want to change your start and
you don't know where the fuck to start, just start
with something small. I have over one hundred two hundred
(14:37):
pair of socks and then mostly from Japan. Wow, if
you want to bring in colors to your outfit, stuff
something small, a jewelry or bag or socks, because there's
something smoking to just take off other than go right
pink top right rep top, it's not the fly or
like a fun bag or earrings. You know, jewelry. I mean,
(14:57):
I'm a jury girl, so I love jewry and it's
just easy. It's so easy just with something those accessories.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
First, Yeah, sure, okay, you touched on sort of style
and shape. I wanted to ask a bit more about
that because when people say they want to get more
confident with putting outfits together, I always immediately think color.
But I'm not particularly a color person. So how can
we kind of get more confident or have more unique style?
I guess with color, but also our shapes and proportions
(15:25):
a way to get more personal style If you're not
going to be wearing headaitoe, orange or pink or yellow.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I think the key thing is to get a ficial
idea of what kind of person you want to be
that day. So for me, every day I say to myself,
what kind of story do you want to tell today?
Am I the oversized outfit grades or am I the
don't fuck with me grays today? So which means I'm
going to be more hardcore the way I dress and
more like street style, yes? Or am I going to
be feminine grays which is a bit more girly. So
(15:53):
when when you create a look for yourself, definitely think
of a story that you want to tell today, okay,
Or you go to online and find some style icon
that you like and just take some more elements from
them and see whether you can apply on yourself.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
First, then you need to practice at home and that
out the outfit that you don't normally dare to wear.
Just wear at home? Yes, what other people think? And
can you tweet it? Once you get used to it,
then you go outside the door and you step to
the real world. And also when you try something new,
you have to own it and not be very shy
about it, otherwise you just go back to your old ways.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Do you have any thrifting tips, what do we look for?
Where do we go?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
It's quite overwhelming even for someone like me who I've
done thrift shopping, you know, for all my adult's life,
because where I used to live in notting Hill. We
have Portabula Raal Market every single weekend, and before I
move back to Asia, most of my wardrobes of vintage
or secondhand or just really like bloody cool stuff. But
(16:56):
you know, Chinese people very superstitious. So when I tell
my mom that I buy second endclothes, she freaks out,
who died in it?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Oh my god, I love that. Well, it's true. I
mean there are lots of different barriers to it. For
some people, they just find it too hard, too overwhelming.
You know, they like going to the Westfield and seeing
just all those pink pants and all the sizes. But
I just think there's such a joy. But it is
a skill or you definitely need time.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Oh you can't go into any strip shop and be
rushing because it takes so long. I can I can
easily spend when I go to New York or go
back to London or Paris, I can easily spend in
one shop like three hours.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Me too, Me too. I've made the mistake for going
in thinking I wanted to find a particular item. But
you kind of have to let the goldfind you, right,
Like you have to just have an open mind.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
One hundred percent and you need to try everything. You
can't just look at it something and just go put
it back, which a lot of us do. I think
what you need to do is if you are looking
for a particular item, you go to that section and
you pick up something, maybe five things that you would
wear yep, three things. It's not you at all, just
to try. You don't have to buy, just try see.
(18:03):
So once you start practicing that for every single top, pantskirt, dress, jacket,
you will start have a rhythm of how to shop.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
That is such a good tip because I guess if
you're going to the regular retail stores, you know often
the same silhouettes are in every store, But if you
go to a thrift shop, it's a great way to
just try stuff on because there's so much variety. I'd
love to get your personal and professional opinion on trends,
because I think the internet and the world is going
faster than ever before, and everything's a trend, and I
(18:33):
like a trend. I'd say I'm a middle adopter, but
I also don't really follow them, if that makes sense.
I'll wear something old that I don't care is not
in fashion because I feel good in it. What are
your thoughts on trends.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I am not a trend follower, and that question is
kind of frustrating for me because I mean, who's like
five to eleven who looks like you know, Jiji Hardi
every day? Right, Yeah, most of us are not. Yeah,
So trends only look good in like if you like
five eleven above five', nine you, know if you're keep
masks all that. Stuff so for real people like, US
(19:06):
i don't like to tell my, clients, oh you need
to follow this trend that trend BECAUSE i don't. EITHER
i love, that AND i feel LIKE i would take
elements of the current trend and, say do you like
this or. Not let's, say like for winter this, season
like a deep burgundy brown is. IN i don't THINK
i have anything like that BECAUSE i just think that's
just a dowdy. COLOR i would not buy. Anything, HOWEVER
(19:30):
i did steal my Son's uniclo jumper last week and it's.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Brown mean, yes, Yeah and people could do the version
of that by going thrifting and maybe looking for an,
element but not you, know having to invest in a whole,
new brand new thing from the store.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Exactly and with, TRENDS i feel like nowadays it's always, repeating,
regurgitating like you, know back in the, sixties, seventy, eighties,
nineties so nothing is really. New, yes, WELL i don't
think you can put a time kept on what you must.
Buy the season or the trend is this and. That
SO i would suggest for women to buy things that's
(20:06):
more like a capsule. Collection you can exchange all with
different seasons and you, can you, know wear one item
in three. Ways that's more practical and money. Saving it's very.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
EXPENSIVE i want you all right before we Do Vusion,
budgets can you tell us some of your affordable brands
right now that you think everyone should know. About you,
know they can Be australian.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
International, YES i, mean Since i'm a newbie In, MELBOURNE
i like to support local. Talents So i'm going to
introduce my brands Of. Melbourne loaf l O wf is
a super cool unisex WHICH i, love quality streetwear and
they're very eco conscious search for organic, material recycled. MATERIAL i, mean.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Come, on So i've never heard of, Them i'm going
to need to check them.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Out and then another great. BRAND i love this brand as.
Well it's called The Best. Jumpers, oh so their local,
brand designed In melbourne and made In melbourne by the
core Foundra Dylan, bess who's Half. Honky, right, yeah you
know my. People SO i bought this amazing like war
(21:26):
double breasted suit jacket And i've been wearing it to.
Death my son is, like are you wearing that? Again i'm, like,
yes BECAUSE i look fucking. Cool, YES i love.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
It and that's the point of our, wardrobe, Right we're
meant to be wearing things more than a few, times
so they you're. Bougies, yes, Yeah, Okay i'm going to
give you my, boogie which isn't that, boogie But i'm
trying to keep it realistic for my bank. ACCOUNT i
just thought BECAUSE i have to, ADMIT i love the
look of, sneakers BUT i just don't have much of an.
Ankle that's WHY i hate winter. Shoes they're just hard
(21:53):
And i'm, lazy AND i love my Honest Suker tigers
from a few years. Ago SO i bought the New
mexico sixty six slip. On so they just look like a,
sneaker but you don't have to sit down or bend
down and do up your. Lasers And i'm too creaky
and sore and old to do up my. Laser they
are the most comfortable Shoes i've ever. Bought you can
get a fabric kind of, version like a kind of
(22:14):
canvas so that that might not be warm enough For.
Melbourne they're one, sixty or you can get the sort
of suede leather traditional Hones Suker tiger for two. THIRTY
i paid AND i, thought, oh, WELL i wear them,
enough And I've they're the only Things i'm wearing in
winter Because i'm Just i'm too, lazy so they're my.
Bougie they're worth.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
It do you have stocks with them depends ON.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I, Mean i'm trying to move past being the ankle sock,
girl BUT i just don't have. Ankles so then IF
i wear the thicker kind of cool cruise, SOCK i don't,
know it doesn't look. GREAT i normally wear like quite
a long barrel jean that'll be puffed up a little,
bit but still you won't see my, ankle or like
a really wide leg. JEAN i got some free people
wide leg jeans recently that are like almost like. Tents
(22:54):
they're so, huge so you can't even really see the.
Shoes But i'm very.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Comfortable oh BEFORE i, FORGET i want to give you
one more.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Bougie oh, yes, please the more the.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Better, yes because a lot of my clients actually quite
lazy to go. Shopping yeah, SOMETHING i prefer online. Shop
yeah that's. Me so do you know theflow Dot?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Com, no But i'm going on there right. Now.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yes it's founded by a very good friend of mine
who's a kick Asswoman Spanish Lupi porter and she was
the head of customer service and shopping For netaporte and
Mister porter for over fifteen. Years. Wow but this is
like advanced technology that we're talking. About SO i am
on it as well as the stylist. Curate so the
stylist can go on and sign up and curate a
(23:38):
mood bop just for the. Client so if you come
to me say, HEY i want to do this in.
There so what they do is they. Source it's not
like a it's a multi. Brand they even Have, netaporte My, Creezer,
prada Shop bop everything on this.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Website the client can then purchase from your edit.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Except from my mood. Board is that?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Paining so it's like a pinterest but for direct. Shopping
that's so, clever.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Very clever and then she's won so many. Awards so
my latest purchase is The jacqumu's little mini bag right,
orange The La. Bambino it's so. CUTE i, MEAN i
MEAN i think it was about about six hundred.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Dollars oh that's good for that. Brand and, okay so
there's sale items within this. App, Yes oh what have
you done to? Me this is bad, news but very good.
NEWS i, KNOW i know what's your?
Speaker 2 (24:28):
BUDGET i, mean where DO i? Start you? KNOW i
make high and low throughout my whole life BECAUSE i
was well trained by my Mother Moogie Mooji. Moodie how
much do we Love?
Speaker 1 (24:39):
MOOJIE i Love, moodie BUT i normally just go and
buy the little trinkets of my beauty. Staff they're cool
shape link. ROLLERS i don't Think i've ever looked at
their fashion what NO i? Know oh my.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Goodness so Because melbourne is so damn, COLD i actually
don't have enough. Jumpers so of, course, actually you know,
What moojie was the biggest pool for me to convince
my eleven year old son to move To.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
MELBOURNE i love. That what a cool guy.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Because he's a huge mentic about. Stationaries i'm not the. Pays,
Yes muji. Sucks AS i. Say their socks is very.
Cool ranges from two dollars to ten. Dollars so if
you want to start your sock, journey go To muji.
By they have loads of, plain cool, colors like bright,
colors very cheap two dollars to. TEN i think they
(25:22):
have some st right.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Now oh, gosh thats like.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
A really thick wool jumper for ninety nine. Dollars but
it's very warm and it will last.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Forever, yeah the quality is. Phenomenal it. Isn't everything they
do is so impeccable in terms of. Quality, yeah if
you want.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
To go to buy more softs happy socks always, good
a huge. Company ninety, dollars prepare if you do, it
buy A bundo is sixty nine. Okay Or man does
a lot of fun, socks really cute nine dollars to.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Fifteen, okay, Okay i'm going to get into. Socks you've inspired. Me.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Wow and Also pare the brand that makes underwear tracks
Of oh, yes so they. SO i the REASON i
know about them BECAUSE i came off Of christmas AND
i saw this and then they they had this underwear
that is very see through and it's perfect for. Trouble
you just wash them in your hair dry.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Them oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Amazing i've thought LIKE i don't. Know and they come
in little like liftick, chube which is so. Cute oh
that's so. Clear it is to thirty SIX a bundles forty.
Seven they're on cell right, now so go and check them.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Out oh my, gosh you were in the right, job my.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Friend those are like my go to and also obviously Op.
SHOP i love op.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Shops, yeah if you're lucky enough to live near. One
and thankfully more and more online platforms not just that
kind of high. End we're kind of getting a bit
of everything. Everywhere i'll quickly give you my. Budget my
favorite thing for this winter is kind of cool, chunky
really big. SCARVES i think it's the best winter. UPDATE i,
mean depending where you. Live but even if you've got
your old trench on over Your, lululemons you'll hate, that
(26:46):
but you're running to pick up chucking, on just a
really big scarf just looks kind of. Cool it's you,
know remember that photo Of Lenny krabats from a Dead
it was basically wearing a king sized knitted, blanket but
they're everywhere and they're really. Affordable my one THAT i
love at the moment is The uniclo j W anderson Heat.
Tech it comes in a, gray, brown or. Navy that's
a limited edition, though but they've got some really, big
(27:08):
kind of great chunky. Ones i'm Sure moodie probably has
a beautiful chunky. Knit they're kind of everywhere, there, affordable
and you just chuck it. On and because most people
see you from here, up they, think, oh she's putting some,
effort and they're not noticing the.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Linkings, yes, YES i think chunky is the way.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Forward, Yeah, grace you're a. Legend you weren't anywhere near
as scary AS i thought you might. BE i love
chatting to, you And i'm gonna keep you posted on
my sock. Journey you're.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Honest resting pictures for you, PEOPLE i love it until
you piss me. Off you're.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
WONDERFUL i can't wait to have you. Back thanks for joining.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Us thank you so. Much go shopping, PEOPLE i love.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
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You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mama Mia acknowledges
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is recorded on Hey you bees, Lee here popping into
your ears again because I want you to hear something
confronting but worth it. I recently had Grace Lamb on
Nothing to Wear, and she has no filter. She gives
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it to a straight and she gave me the best
tips and tricks about how to get out of your
comfort zone and how to wear what you want and
just feel confident doing it. So I reckon everyone should
have a listen and take a leaf out of Grace's book.
So we're dropping the episode here and I hope you
enjoy it. Whoever said orange is a new pink with
seriously disturved laurels spraying groundbreaking? Oh my god, you have
(00:54):
to do it. You live for fashion. Hello, and welcome
to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that solves fashion problems
and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell, and every
week I chat to an expert who helps us work
out how to get more out of the clothes we
already own and tells us exactly what is and isn't
worth adding to our Wardrobes Now Friends Today, we're in
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for a bit of a treat. If you are also
a listener of the podcast by Hollywayen right mid, you'll
know the guest we're about to talk to. She's one
of Asia's most distinguished editors and stylists with over twenty
five years experience in the fashion world. I'm talking about
the iconic Grace Lamb. Grace cut her teeth working under
Edward Eninfull, the one and only amazing former editor in
(01:40):
chief at British Vogue, and in two thousand and five
she became absolutely pivotal in launching Vogue China, where she
spent a decade as the senior fashion style editor. She's
style Kate Moss, Naomi Campbell, Lana del Rey, and she's
collaborated with brands like Door, Burberry and Estae Lauder. Grace
now lives in Australia and she brings her unparalleled styling
(02:03):
expertise to Melbourne. I'm slightly scared but incredibly inspired by
Grace because there's nobs with d her. She is completely
honest about fashions. So I'm going to ask Grace's opinion
on lots of different things, including the difference between Western
style and Asian style, why Australians love wearing their active
wear so much, and her thoughts on trends does she
(02:24):
buy into them or not. Let's get into it, okay, Grace, firstly,
thank you for joining me. I'm excited. I'm a little
bit scared. I loved your episodes of mid that you
did with Holly, so welcome to Nothing to Wear. And
before we get into the topic, I ask guests a
few questions, the first of which is can you describe
your own style in three words?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Definitely colorful, edgy, and experimental. So that's me.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
That's almost opposite of everything I have. Maybe I'm a
bit experimental, but I love that. Okay. The theory that
we wear ten percent of our wardrobe ninety percent of
the time, so the stuff we reach for more than
the other stuff. What's in your ten percent?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Oh? I don't do spots for leggings. I don't do much.
I have very limited, amma, because I'm not a sporty person.
Of course, you know, when I go to the gym,
I do have to wear those. When I moved from
Hong Kong, Australia five years ago, I started living in
per first and then moved to Melbourne recently. I've never
seen so many bloody Lululemon leggings in my life in
(03:25):
one place. Yes, And I thought, oh my god, if
I can have a pound a UK pound for every
pair of leggings I see every day every week, I'll
be like a billionaire. I just don't know what it is.
You know they love wearing leisure. You are out ninety
percent of my stuff. I would say, I am not
picky about buying one item, you know a lot. I
(03:47):
have a lot of mix of everything. So that's how
I like to extend my wardrobe.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
And do you often, you know, reach for those things
and mix and matro If you're in a rush, do
you just grab the stuff you love or you really
try and make sure you wear everything.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I like to wear everything because I like to create
a character of myself every day if I can, If
I can be bothered a day, it just gives me
an idea, or I plan my outfit the night before.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yes, oh, I was going to ask you that, Oh gosh,
that's Goulls. I mean, I have a lot of clothes
and I think I wear maybe thirty percent. But sometimes
I'm just like the leggings. I'm sorry. All right, We're
gonna start with a bit of your career because that
really illustrates, you, know, what you're doing here on this podcast.
Your time at Vogue China. I'd love to hear about that.
Assisting the editor in chief of British Folk, no big deal.
(04:32):
So can you talk to us about that era of
your career.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
So I'm from Hong Kong originally, and I went to
UK boarding school when I was quite young. So then
I ended up living in UK most of my life actually,
and I went to Central St Martins and I dig
graphic designed into fashion. So I did a degree there
and because it was such a well known, you know,
art school, we get a lot of like famous speakers
to come. And then during my second year of Saint Martin's,
(04:56):
I met Terry Jones, who was the founder of the
Street Bible magazine, ID magazine. Yes, And being like a
really naive little girl, I was like, oh, you know,
I'm gonna have my own magazine one day. You watch
blah blah blah and you'll like, oh yeah, we'll see
you about that. And he liked how I dressed and
he said to me, oh, do you want to become
a stylist because you're very stylish, And how.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Did you dress back then? Can you describe it?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Oh, kind of like edgy, like very London grungy, but
like kind of like a sheep grungy. My, you know what,
My mother is color blind. She is the most fierce
dresser I've ever met, because she I mean, can you
imagine being color blind? And you dress so colorful every
day since I was young, with all my sisters, we
(05:43):
we idolized her in the way she dressed. And she's
just she has great taste. My dad is opposite. My
dad had no taste.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
So very well, okay, were you influenced by her? He's
seeing you and gone, you're stylish? Do you want to
be a stylist? And so was your answer?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yes, I don't know what it was. I asked him
what is a stylist? And it was, oh, come an
intern for us. So I was like, okay. So I
did internship when I was in my second year Saint
Martin's and then met Edward Enning, who was a fashion
director at Large, and I mean I knew who was
a big deal. And then you know, I started I
was as an editorius system. After I left Martin's. You know,
(06:20):
I did all the shitty jobs. You know, I don't
know how many photocopy things I did.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, we've all been there. I started an editorial assistant
at a magazine.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, and then when Edward was looking for a full
time assistant, I got put forward, went for an interview,
and then got the job immediately. Let's stay on a
Monday Thursday. He flew me to Milan and we did
the Jill Sounder fashion Show.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Wow wow, And that was the start of the rest
of your life. They needed a decade as senior fashion
style editor of Vogue China. So what was that like?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Because I consider myself as a very Londoner and how
I was trained under Edward ENNINGFO is very different from
working in Asia. And I've actually never worked in Asia
in my life. I thought I was going to die
in London, marry a brit And now you know, I
have an Italian Australian fashion beauty photographer you know, who's amazing.
(07:09):
So it was quite an eye opening experience for me
because I've never worked in Asia and how they do
fashion shoes over that is so different. Back in two
thousand and five.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
And so you were there for ten years? Yes, yes, wow, okay,
so that was obviously you know, you've well and truly
on the new course of not so new now but
fashion and that wasn't what you were set out to do.
So you've done London, China and you're in Australia. I'm
assuming for family and love.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yes, and yes, because we left Hong Kong because of
the social unrest, and then we left before anyone else
was leaving Hong Kong and people didn't understand why we
wanted to leave. And then we arrived in Perth. Was
Jason from Perth? It's okay, let's go.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah. So then you've been in Perth for a little
bit and now we've recently moved to Melbourne. So gosh,
you've been kind of everywhere. What's your observation. I guess
let's start with, you know, Asian fashion culture for women
and I guess Western fashion culture. But what's the observations
you noticed between Asian fashion cults and Western fashion culture.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I think Asian we talk about women generally, we are
a lot more into like labels, and we sometimes we
were more youthful the way we style. I mean, you
can be walking in Hong Kong the street or mainland China.
You can see someone from the back, very very stylish,
and you go past them and they could be sixty five,
(08:32):
you know. And I think they are more up for
challenging this themselves and the way they dress, and they
don't care really what people think. Of course, there are
a lot of people that are very conservative as well,
but people who love fashion in general, I think the
majority of people, especially in Hong Kong, they are very
into fashion. It doesn't matter whether they get them fashion
(08:52):
from the local market stores or like Zara or H
and M. You know, they love playing with fashion, which
I find is a bit more different in the Western world.
I think Western women, I mean, we'll talk about French
women are very sophisticated. Yes, they know how to themselves,
you know that, they're very very created, but in such
(09:13):
an efforless way. Yes, I mean, aside from all the
Lululemon leggings and things we're talking about, I think in general,
Western women's a little bit more reserved in the way
they dress. We're not talking about fashion people go to
fashion week because that's like that's different.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, But I think the Lulu Lemon you know, the
active way when we're not being we're not at the gym.
That's mostly a nussy thing, right because you know, when
I travel to Paris my friends that live, they say,
you cannot where you're active for unless you're going directly
to the gym and back. So that's quite Australian.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I mean, to be honest, I feel like, let athletic
worship only be in two places, the gym and your
dirty laundry basket.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I love that. I love that, and I might not
agree only because I love my leggings to run around
and chase my five year old, but I get it.
I always feel better about myself and my outfit that
day if I've gotten out of the leggings and actually
style the outfit, even if it's super casual. Having worked
(10:13):
with fashion and in the fashion industry with clients all
around the world, please tell me that there's universal problems
that we face when we're deciding what to wear. Is
there kind of a running theme that you've noticed throughout
your career of women coming to you saying help and
what are those problems?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I think women in general, and a lot of midlife women,
like you know, I'm fifty two, and I do a
lot of starting for midlife women who's going through a perimenopause.
They love staying the safe lanes and they're unwilling to change.
So sometimes I'll get women who contact me, and those
are the one who are a bit more adventurous already,
(10:51):
but still when I meet them, they're, oh, I'm not
sure about this, I'm not sure about that. So it
takes a lot of convincing for them to change theirself
or introducing a new way to dress. I think the
mindset is the most challenging, right. To get them to
try new things is a challenge, that's sure.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
So yeah, mindset makes sense because it all sort of
starts there, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah. And also, going back to a wardrobe, I think
the problem with most people is they stuffed the wardrobe
so much or you can't even see what you have.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Have you been to my house lately, you should see mine.
Hence why I grab my ten percent because the rest
of it's too messy. And I can't say it.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
But I honestly feel you have to hang everything so
you can see. Yeah, And I mean I understand that
you know, wardrobes are limited. I mean, who's got five
thousand square feet house will only put your wardrobe in you.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, be very organized in your wardrobe so you can see.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yes, And does that include you know, kind of quite
frequent clear outs and you know, rotating with summer and
winter if you can't fit it all in one spot,
and just being able to see the stuff you do.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Love what you can't see you're not going to wear. Yeah,
that's a problem. And I have a one in, one
out system. When I buy something new or trying to
get rid of something old, anything that's more than two
years I haven't touched. It's got to go.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Wow, oh my god, you would die if you came
to my house. I need that. But I just I
just am not that person a forty three I don't
think I ever will be. But that's so true.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Well, I love to come to you hous and clean up.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Oh you, I think you think you would also do
some photos offline. But that's interesting. I think it is
so much of a mindset thing because we tell ourselves
I can't wear that, or people will judge me, or
I'm too old for that, or that work doesn't suit me.
But it's as soon as you tea stuff you can't well,
of course you can't.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
No, I think honestly, you need to go shopping or
do some starling session with people who you're cheerleaders. Yes,
don't ask anybody who's going to go, oh, like your
kids or mom, you look shit or whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
But I feel like and this is please take this
a compliment. That's why I kind of love you, is
your raw honesty, and I think that, yes, it's nice
to have someone to build up your confidence, but you
also want the truth, right.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yes. At the same time, I think I'm quite a
hardcore person, so I take a lot of criticism, but
I know a lot of women can't, especially in midlife,
because we're very vulnerable. You know, nothing's working on a body.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, we don't know who we are anymore.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
This is a new person, and then you have very
low self esteem. So the last thing you need is
someone go you know what you look like? Shit? Ye?
On with it?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yes, So it's more about suggesting alternatives, I guess.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yes. I actually recently changed my Instagram handle too. I
used to label myself as a fashion director a fashion statist,
So now my new title I gave myself is fashion
style en hanswer because I realized a lot of women
do not like big changes. If you want to wear
your ugly crocs, which is fine, I would just tweak
(13:41):
everything you look.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, and I guess that way they still keep an
element of their personal style, which is probably in there somewhere.
But it's more about, you know, modernizing, enhancing. I like that.
I have friends that you know, there might be lawyers
or you know, have really kind of serious jobs that
aren't around what they wear. But they they don't have
the confidence or they just think it's too hard, like
they have to have this humongous change by a whole
(14:08):
new wardrobe, and that's just in the too hard basket.
What do we do when we feel uncertain, we don't
want to buy a whole new wardrobe? What do we do?
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Okay, First of all, I highly recommend to do clothing
swap with your friends and have a party because you
don't know what each other have. Or sometimes you look
at your friends you really like the top or a
skirt and you borrow it. Yes, I think that's number one.
Number two, if you want to change your start and
you don't know where the fuck to start, just start
with something small. I have over one hundred two hundred
(14:37):
pair of socks and then mostly from Japan. Wow, if
you want to bring in colors to your outfit, stuff
something small, a jewelry or bag or socks, because there's
something smoking to just take off other than go right
pink top right rep top, it's not the fly or
like a fun bag or earrings. You know, jewelry. I mean,
(14:57):
I'm a jury girl, so I love jewry and it's
just easy. It's so easy just with something those accessories.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
First, Yeah, sure, okay, you touched on sort of style
and shape. I wanted to ask a bit more about
that because when people say they want to get more
confident with putting outfits together, I always immediately think color.
But I'm not particularly a color person. So how can
we kind of get more confident or have more unique style?
I guess with color, but also our shapes and proportions
(15:25):
a way to get more personal style If you're not
going to be wearing headaitoe, orange or pink or yellow.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I think the key thing is to get a ficial
idea of what kind of person you want to be
that day. So for me, every day I say to myself,
what kind of story do you want to tell today?
Am I the oversized outfit grades or am I the
don't fuck with me grays today? So which means I'm
going to be more hardcore the way I dress and
more like street style, yes? Or am I going to
be feminine grays which is a bit more girly. So
(15:53):
when when you create a look for yourself, definitely think
of a story that you want to tell today, okay,
Or you go to online and find some style icon
that you like and just take some more elements from
them and see whether you can apply on yourself.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
First, then you need to practice at home and that
out the outfit that you don't normally dare to wear.
Just wear at home? Yes, what other people think? And
can you tweet it? Once you get used to it,
then you go outside the door and you step to
the real world. And also when you try something new,
you have to own it and not be very shy
about it, otherwise you just go back to your old ways.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Do you have any thrifting tips, what do we look for?
Where do we go?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
It's quite overwhelming even for someone like me who I've
done thrift shopping, you know, for all my adult's life,
because where I used to live in notting Hill. We
have Portabula Raal Market every single weekend, and before I
move back to Asia, most of my wardrobes of vintage
or secondhand or just really like bloody cool stuff. But
(16:56):
you know, Chinese people very superstitious. So when I tell
my mom that I buy second endclothes, she freaks out,
who died in it?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Oh my god, I love that. Well, it's true. I
mean there are lots of different barriers to it. For
some people, they just find it too hard, too overwhelming.
You know, they like going to the Westfield and seeing
just all those pink pants and all the sizes. But
I just think there's such a joy. But it is
a skill or you definitely need time.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Oh you can't go into any strip shop and be
rushing because it takes so long. I can I can
easily spend when I go to New York or go
back to London or Paris, I can easily spend in
one shop like three hours.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Me too, Me too. I've made the mistake for going
in thinking I wanted to find a particular item. But
you kind of have to let the goldfind you, right,
Like you have to just have an open mind.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
One hundred percent and you need to try everything. You
can't just look at it something and just go put
it back, which a lot of us do. I think
what you need to do is if you are looking
for a particular item, you go to that section and
you pick up something, maybe five things that you would
wear yep, three things. It's not you at all, just
to try. You don't have to buy, just try see.
(18:03):
So once you start practicing that for every single top, pantskirt, dress, jacket,
you will start have a rhythm of how to shop.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
That is such a good tip because I guess if
you're going to the regular retail stores, you know often
the same silhouettes are in every store, But if you
go to a thrift shop, it's a great way to
just try stuff on because there's so much variety. I'd
love to get your personal and professional opinion on trends,
because I think the internet and the world is going
faster than ever before, and everything's a trend, and I
(18:33):
like a trend. I'd say I'm a middle adopter, but
I also don't really follow them, if that makes sense.
I'll wear something old that I don't care is not
in fashion because I feel good in it. What are
your thoughts on trends.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I am not a trend follower, and that question is
kind of frustrating for me because I mean, who's like
five to eleven who looks like you know, Jiji Hardi
every day? Right, Yeah, most of us are not. Yeah,
So trends only look good in like if you like
five eleven above five', nine you, know if you're keep
masks all that. Stuff so for real people like, US
(19:06):
i don't like to tell my, clients, oh you need
to follow this trend that trend BECAUSE i don't. EITHER
i love, that AND i feel LIKE i would take
elements of the current trend and, say do you like
this or. Not let's, say like for winter this, season
like a deep burgundy brown is. IN i don't THINK
i have anything like that BECAUSE i just think that's
just a dowdy. COLOR i would not buy. Anything, HOWEVER
(19:30):
i did steal my Son's uniclo jumper last week and it's.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Brown mean, yes, Yeah and people could do the version
of that by going thrifting and maybe looking for an,
element but not you, know having to invest in a whole,
new brand new thing from the store.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Exactly and with, TRENDS i feel like nowadays it's always, repeating,
regurgitating like you, know back in the, sixties, seventy, eighties,
nineties so nothing is really. New, yes, WELL i don't
think you can put a time kept on what you must.
Buy the season or the trend is this and. That
SO i would suggest for women to buy things that's
(20:06):
more like a capsule. Collection you can exchange all with
different seasons and you, can you, know wear one item
in three. Ways that's more practical and money. Saving it's very.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
EXPENSIVE i want you all right before we Do Vusion,
budgets can you tell us some of your affordable brands
right now that you think everyone should know. About you,
know they can Be australian.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
International, YES i, mean Since i'm a newbie In, MELBOURNE
i like to support local. Talents So i'm going to
introduce my brands Of. Melbourne loaf l O wf is
a super cool unisex WHICH i, love quality streetwear and
they're very eco conscious search for organic, material recycled. MATERIAL i, mean.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Come, on So i've never heard of, Them i'm going
to need to check them.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Out and then another great. BRAND i love this brand as.
Well it's called The Best. Jumpers, oh so their local,
brand designed In melbourne and made In melbourne by the
core Foundra Dylan, bess who's Half. Honky, right, yeah you
know my. People SO i bought this amazing like war
(21:26):
double breasted suit jacket And i've been wearing it to.
Death my son is, like are you wearing that? Again i'm, like,
yes BECAUSE i look fucking. Cool, YES i love.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
It and that's the point of our, wardrobe, Right we're
meant to be wearing things more than a few, times
so they you're. Bougies, yes, Yeah, Okay i'm going to
give you my, boogie which isn't that, boogie But i'm
trying to keep it realistic for my bank. ACCOUNT i
just thought BECAUSE i have to, ADMIT i love the
look of, sneakers BUT i just don't have much of an.
Ankle that's WHY i hate winter. Shoes they're just hard
(21:53):
And i'm, lazy AND i love my Honest Suker tigers
from a few years. Ago SO i bought the New
mexico sixty six slip. On so they just look like a,
sneaker but you don't have to sit down or bend
down and do up your. Lasers And i'm too creaky
and sore and old to do up my. Laser they
are the most comfortable Shoes i've ever. Bought you can
get a fabric kind of, version like a kind of
(22:14):
canvas so that that might not be warm enough For.
Melbourne they're one, sixty or you can get the sort
of suede leather traditional Hones Suker tiger for two. THIRTY
i paid AND i, thought, oh, WELL i wear them,
enough And I've they're the only Things i'm wearing in
winter Because i'm Just i'm too, lazy so they're my.
Bougie they're worth.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
It do you have stocks with them depends ON.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I, Mean i'm trying to move past being the ankle sock,
girl BUT i just don't have. Ankles so then IF
i wear the thicker kind of cool cruise, SOCK i don't,
know it doesn't look. GREAT i normally wear like quite
a long barrel jean that'll be puffed up a little,
bit but still you won't see my, ankle or like
a really wide leg. JEAN i got some free people
wide leg jeans recently that are like almost like. Tents
(22:54):
they're so, huge so you can't even really see the.
Shoes But i'm very.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Comfortable oh BEFORE i, FORGET i want to give you
one more.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Bougie oh, yes, please the more the.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Better, yes because a lot of my clients actually quite
lazy to go. Shopping yeah, SOMETHING i prefer online. Shop
yeah that's. Me so do you know theflow Dot?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Com, no But i'm going on there right. Now.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yes it's founded by a very good friend of mine
who's a kick Asswoman Spanish Lupi porter and she was
the head of customer service and shopping For netaporte and
Mister porter for over fifteen. Years. Wow but this is
like advanced technology that we're talking. About SO i am
on it as well as the stylist. Curate so the
stylist can go on and sign up and curate a
(23:38):
mood bop just for the. Client so if you come
to me say, HEY i want to do this in.
There so what they do is they. Source it's not
like a it's a multi. Brand they even Have, netaporte My, Creezer,
prada Shop bop everything on this.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Website the client can then purchase from your edit.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Except from my mood. Board is that?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Paining so it's like a pinterest but for direct. Shopping
that's so, clever.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Very clever and then she's won so many. Awards so
my latest purchase is The jacqumu's little mini bag right,
orange The La. Bambino it's so. CUTE i, MEAN i
MEAN i think it was about about six hundred.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Dollars oh that's good for that. Brand and, okay so
there's sale items within this. App, Yes oh what have
you done to? Me this is bad, news but very good.
NEWS i, KNOW i know what's your?
Speaker 2 (24:28):
BUDGET i, mean where DO i? Start you? KNOW i
make high and low throughout my whole life BECAUSE i
was well trained by my Mother Moogie Mooji. Moodie how
much do we Love?
Speaker 1 (24:39):
MOOJIE i Love, moodie BUT i normally just go and
buy the little trinkets of my beauty. Staff they're cool
shape link. ROLLERS i don't Think i've ever looked at
their fashion what NO i? Know oh my.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Goodness so Because melbourne is so damn, COLD i actually
don't have enough. Jumpers so of, course, actually you know,
What moojie was the biggest pool for me to convince
my eleven year old son to move To.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
MELBOURNE i love. That what a cool guy.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Because he's a huge mentic about. Stationaries i'm not the. Pays,
Yes muji. Sucks AS i. Say their socks is very.
Cool ranges from two dollars to ten. Dollars so if
you want to start your sock, journey go To muji.
By they have loads of, plain cool, colors like bright,
colors very cheap two dollars to. TEN i think they
(25:22):
have some st right.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Now oh, gosh thats like.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
A really thick wool jumper for ninety nine. Dollars but
it's very warm and it will last.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Forever, yeah the quality is. Phenomenal it. Isn't everything they
do is so impeccable in terms of. Quality, yeah if
you want.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
To go to buy more softs happy socks always, good
a huge. Company ninety, dollars prepare if you do, it
buy A bundo is sixty nine. Okay Or man does
a lot of fun, socks really cute nine dollars to.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Fifteen, okay, Okay i'm going to get into. Socks you've inspired. Me.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Wow and Also pare the brand that makes underwear tracks
Of oh, yes so they. SO i the REASON i
know about them BECAUSE i came off Of christmas AND
i saw this and then they they had this underwear
that is very see through and it's perfect for. Trouble
you just wash them in your hair dry.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Them oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Amazing i've thought LIKE i don't. Know and they come
in little like liftick, chube which is so. Cute oh
that's so. Clear it is to thirty SIX a bundles forty.
Seven they're on cell right, now so go and check them.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Out oh my, gosh you were in the right, job my.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Friend those are like my go to and also obviously Op.
SHOP i love op.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Shops, yeah if you're lucky enough to live near. One
and thankfully more and more online platforms not just that
kind of high. End we're kind of getting a bit
of everything. Everywhere i'll quickly give you my. Budget my
favorite thing for this winter is kind of cool, chunky
really big. SCARVES i think it's the best winter. UPDATE i,
mean depending where you. Live but even if you've got
your old trench on over Your, lululemons you'll hate, that
(26:46):
but you're running to pick up chucking, on just a
really big scarf just looks kind of. Cool it's you,
know remember that photo Of Lenny krabats from a Dead
it was basically wearing a king sized knitted, blanket but
they're everywhere and they're really. Affordable my one THAT i
love at the moment is The uniclo j W anderson Heat.
Tech it comes in a, gray, brown or. Navy that's
a limited edition, though but they've got some really, big
(27:08):
kind of great chunky. Ones i'm Sure moodie probably has
a beautiful chunky. Knit they're kind of everywhere, there, affordable
and you just chuck it. On and because most people
see you from here, up they, think, oh she's putting some,
effort and they're not noticing the.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Linkings, yes, YES i think chunky is the way.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Forward, Yeah, grace you're a. Legend you weren't anywhere near
as scary AS i thought you might. BE i love
chatting to, you And i'm gonna keep you posted on
my sock. Journey you're.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Honest resting pictures for you, PEOPLE i love it until
you piss me. Off you're.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
WONDERFUL i can't wait to have you. Back thanks for joining.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Us thank you so. Much go shopping, PEOPLE i love.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
It thank you for listening To nothing To, wear and
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