July 28, 2025 • 31 mins
After 20 years of trying thousands of beauty products and watching skincare trends come and go, what are Leigh Campbell's real go-tos that she reaches for every morning and what actually makes her feel confident and like herself?
In this special episode of The Formula, Kelly turns the tables putting the Brillo Beauty founder through the ultimate beauty interrogation! We're getting Leigh's exact skincare and makeup routine that keeps her glowing, the scoop on creating Brillo Beauty plus exciting new products coming soon, which makeup and skincare trends are worth your time (and which to ditch), her streamlined routine for busy mums, and what to do when you can't be bothered taking your makeup off.
We're diving into the time-saving hacks that actually work, plus Leigh's take on how to navigate the ever-evolving beauty landscape to find what actually works for your skin and lifestyle.
LINKS TO THE PRODUCTS MENTIONED:
Brillo Beauty - The Butter $45.00
Brillo Beauty - The Wash $29.00
Brillo Beauty - The Lotion $29.00
Brillo Beauty - The Spray $32.00
Qure Q-Rejuvalight Pro Facewear $499.00
James Cosmetics Eye Masks $24.99
SkinCeuticals C E Ferulic 30ml $186.75
Cosmedix Affirm Antioxidant Firming Serum $143
Serum 10 AOX Vitamin C Serum for Sensitive Skin $142.00
SkinCeuticals P-TIOX Peptide Serum $209.00
mesoestetic hydra-vital light $139
BUBBLE Morning Rays Brightening Eye Cream 15mL $22
MECCA COSMETICA To Save Face SPF50+ Superscreen 75g $46
Naturium Purple Ginseng Cleansing Balm $39.95
Byoma Milky Moisture Cleanser $24.00
Aspect Probiotic Mask 118ml $55.20
Aspect Hydrating Mask 118ml $55.20
Intensive AlphaRet Overnight Cream $145
Ole Henriksen Double Rewind Pro-Grade 0.3% Retinol Serum $105.00
La Roche Posay Cicaplast B5 Repair Serum 30ml $58.99
De La Cruz, Vitamin E Cream, 10,000 IU, 4 oz (114 g) $14.43
Vanessa Megan - N.E.O. [Nature's Elixir Oil] | 12 Hour Miracle Oil | 30ml $89.95
Vanessa Megan Signature Facial Treatments
Bioderma Sensibio H2O Soothing Micellar Water Cleanser 500ml $32.99
Rexona Whole Body Deo Wild Rose | 230mL $11.99
Bioderma Sensibio H2O Soothing Micellar Water Cleanser 500ml $32.99
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
that this podcast is recorded on.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Makeup is my therapy.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm obsess and I don't even feel guilty about it.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Hello, and welcome to you, beauty.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
This is the podcast for your Face and this is
the formula where I take a deep dive or rummage
through the bathroom cabinets of some of the most interesting
people in the beauty industry. And today I dragged in
my co host, the Lovely Lee, because I realized that so.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I just had to take my watch off. I'm getting
distracted because I'm a businesswoman.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
You are a business woman, and that's why I wanted
to bring you back on.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
And full disclosure for everyone that knows, I did not
ask to do this.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
You asked me. It's not like I was saying, Oh,
interview me, Kail.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
We can put the message exchanges say.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I think that that's maybe why we hadn't, because the
formula is about people coming in and talking about their routines,
but they know what they're talking about. In the world
of skincare, it's not just like hey, so I love
their sarahm because it fails good. Yes, but I think
maybe we didn't get you one as a Brillow brand
founder because maybe it was going to come.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Across as biased. But I was like, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
We get lots of brand owners on let's be biased
and let Lee come in here and talk about all
things Brillow. I always listen to the formula, but I've
done no prep. You've given me nothing to go off,
no idea what you're gonna ask me?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I don't know to be honest either, I wrote like
two questions at the start, and the rest is just
whatever our lovely producers come up with. So let's let's
see what she's said.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
You are such beautiful skill.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
But how.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
And we will link episodes where you've been on the
formula or in her bag or whatever it's been called
in the show notes, because we've done some great episodes
career about your career and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
She's listen, she's a very important lady. Lee, start off
please by giving any new bub see what I did there?
That could be listening to a thirty second pitch about
what Rello beauty is.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Relow Beauty is self care essentials for modern motherhoods. So
it's a range of body care products that you can
use in pregnancy and postpartum to take the confusion out
when women are also researching sleep routines and prams and
you know, I should say family, not just women, and
there's a lot of stress around what you can and
can't use. So we just created a range that takes
(02:42):
you from pregnancy to postpartum and beyond, and of course
anyone can use.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
It's just beautiful body products.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Given your job, I don't think I would be exaggerating
if I said that you had tried tens of thousands
of products. Definitely, So I feel like the decision to
formulate your own wouldn't it been a small one.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
There's just so much out there.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
So how did you approach the formulation process differently with
your bastic experience of trying tens of thousands of body products? Well,
first and foremost, I didn't want to do my own
beauty brand ever, but my best friend and our business
partner came to me it. Yeah, she said, I'm doing this.
She's got a brilliant business brain and successful businesses. And
(03:26):
then I thought about it. I was like, she's right,
because when I was pregnant I cherry picked you know,
this product, this product, that product, and then I took
a beautiful pack of deliciously scented body care for my
first shower. And then the nurse was like, stop, you
don't want to use anything fragrance. You've just had a baby.
The baby can't see needs to smell your unique smell.
I was like, well, I didn't even know that. So anyway,
(03:47):
that's how the brand came about.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
I used to wipe my sweat and breast milk over yeah,
my son's blanket.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
It's so important, but I didn't know that. You know,
I think I knew what I couldn't couldn't use in pregnancy,
but afterwards I just thought, oh, this will be so delicious. Anyway,
formulating products is interesting. It's bloody hard and it takes
a long time. We don't do it, you know. It's
not us in our bathstup or mixing something at home.
You have a qualified chemist that you work with, and
then you say I want this kind of product, this
(04:15):
kind of texture.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Generally send them a few benchmarks.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Because they send ben Joint like well, Usually you would
send benchmarks to say I like this texture of this one,
the scent of this one that you know, blah blah blah,
but can we add this ingredient because I love this
ingredient or whatnot. But I think sometimes, you know, not
everyone has everyone has varying knowledges.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
As founders.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
What I did was kind of send benchmarks of what
I didn't like, particularly for the butter, which is our
best seller and currently sold out. Long story, it's a
body butter. But I hate most body butters because they're slippy,
they feel suffocated, they sit on your skin, they don't
sink in. So I sent like ten body butters and
said I hate all of these, and they were like, okay, thanks,
but you.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Know, so helpful. This is what I don't like, so
figure out what I do.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, essentially, really and look, we didn't. Good chemists can
work with that, yeah, And I mean you go through
so many revisions and so oftentimes, you know, I sample seventeen,
You're like, I just want to say yes and get
the ball rolling, but you know it's not quite right.
And having said that, you know, we've got our six
core products at the moment, with three new ones launching soon.
I think we could have done better on a couple
of the first two. So we'll tweak them as time
(05:19):
goes on, but it's also your opinion. You know. Then
my business partner and I would open them. She would
love one, I wouldn't. And then so you've got a
case study of your family and friends, and you know,
at the end of the day, it's going to be personal.
But I just wanted to put out products that I
would use and buy and stand by as someone in
the industry and loved.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
But you're so right.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Actually, I didn't even think about that from the perspective
that you and Tague and could both try something and
have such vastly different experiences, because it's even like, well,
you might recommend something on in the Friday episode and
then I'm like, oh, yeah, I hated that product at
it because everyone's just so different with what they like,
and it's like, you know, there's no right answer as
long as it's not causing a reaction. But because it's
(05:59):
not active skincare, it's not for your face, it's not
you know, clearing up acne or anything like that, it's
just luxurious body care. It's censorial and it's up to
people's individuals. So you know, her and I have different
favorites within the range.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Well, that's my next question.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Out of the six products, what is your favorite product
and your least favorite product.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
The butter is my favorite, and it's the best body
butter in the whole wide world. Sold out, long story,
coming back soon. My least favorite is the wash. So
we've got the wash and the lotion that are completely
fragrance free, really lightweight, and of course all very safe.
So as soon as you're in the hospital, there's no scent,
so you can use it, but you can also use
it on a newborn. The wash and the lotion, you
(06:40):
think fragrance free, Oh great, you formulate a product you
don't put fragrance in it, but the raw materials have
a smell, a horrific smell. So then you're trying to
formulate a product that has no scent in it, but
also no scent to the nose, like even if it
smells like raw materials.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
So that was really hard. It's fine.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
It's a very thorough but gentle body wash that can
be used on anybody.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
But it's just not exciting.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
It's not exciting, and it's not our best products, but
we will improve it as time comes. And then I
guess the young Sung is the spray, which is a
magnesium spray, so obviously for pregnant women you know, aches
and pains, pregnants and tagnanty people. It's changed my life
and I am one of those people that are kind
of lazy, won't do an extra step if I don't
have to, And then when my sleep is really bad,
(07:24):
which ebbs and flows, I will pop it on the
soles of my feet.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Few sprays. It's an oil.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
You could put something lovest and also you know, you
could spray it. Like my husband's a gym junkie, so
he spraised it on. He's like saw muscles and stuff.
I'm just generally sore and old and tired.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
I'm going to try that tonight because last night for
Melatonins didn't work. So I'm going to try that tonight.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Give it a go.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
If you could make any product in the entire world,
what would.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
It be, then I would be telling you what's coming.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Can't tell you, well, that isn't in the realm of
possibility at the moment. I mean, we get a lot
of requests for a pregnancy safe sunscreen, but all sunscreens
are pregnant. Look, all of our most products are pregnancy safe.
We just want to put them in fun chic packaging
that was great for gifting. The most requested thing we
get is a sunscreen, and I just say, just use
(08:09):
the you've already been using.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
It's all fine, it's all safe.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
And I'm so expensive to formulate.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
People don't never say never, But I just think there's
so many amazing Australian sunscreens that we wouldn't be adding
something there.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
So we've worked together for years, but I don't think
I've ever asked you well, probably because it might be
a little bit of a weird question to just ask
you off randomly. I want to know what, randomly on
a Friday, when do you feel the most confident within yourself?
Like do you think it's when you're fully made up
or just at home. I know that you've spoken a
lot we both have about getting more confident as we
(08:42):
get older, which is funny because objectively we're probably not
as hot as what we want.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
For my God, I think I'm aging well and then
I go back through. I had to go onto the
iCloud the other day. I didn't even know where, not
the cloud.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I went into the cloud and I saw all my colleageen.
I was like, there you are you in the plow there.
I have a very obscure answer.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I don't know if it's the most confident or just
the most beautiful, or at peace or just zero fs.
So it's a summer's day. Yeah, I've been at the beach.
Of course, I'm wearing a lot of Spf'm probably with
my kid. Let's face it, and it's hot and blah
blah blah. And then I go back to my accommodation.
Obviously I'm staying same well lovely maybe home and I
have a shower and I just wash all that salt off,
(09:23):
I wash my hair, I get out of the shower
and I moisturize and you just feel so fresh and
cleansed from the ocean and the sun safety.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
And then that shower. There's nothing like an afterbeach shower.
You just feel like.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
This is so neat.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I know, I didn't know that I was gonna ask,
but I've thought about it. It's just what I feel like, Oh, like,
maybe we are peace with your body and peace with
yourself clean and like I did something whole. Maybe it's
still the rays from outside and the ion's what are
in the ocean.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I just love that afterbeach shower. I always just feel.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
I do have a theory that an ocean swim and
a bit of sun will heal most agreed things.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
But then I don't like sand, I hate the feeling
of the sunscreen. I don't like the gritty salt. So
I have the great time at the beach, and then
that shower after the beach, when I get out, that's
the best I ever feel ever, like mind, body, spirit.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Weird right, No, that's not weird, I think because it's
the depth of winter. I'm really missing that feeling. Yeah,
I did see though on stories recently. You did recently
go for a swim.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Oh yeah, we go to the beach most winters because
I have a six year old.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, they don't.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
They've got this thing i've recently learnt called brown fat.
They don't feel the cold the way that we do.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Oh, I know, just insane.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Let's start with the basics.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I want you to walk me through your current skincare routine.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
I know that we always talk about this.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
I recently did a formula episode, not recently, but a
couple of months ago.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
My skincare routines has already changed.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
So like what I used this morning?
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah, and last night, let's do AMPM routine ish take
it with a grain of salt. You're only going to
remember some products, obviously, and she cost nothing.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Okay, this morning I got up very early. Why I
don't know, because I had to be here to do
this with you. No, only joking and child and juggle.
I had showered the night before. Interestingly, I'm normally a
more and hair wash a shower up at nighttimer.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yes, but that's how early it was.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
So I was just going to I just my cellard
my face and then I did my led mask.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Did you yep? I know.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
It's three minutes and I can walk around the house.
It's like straps to my head. I'm like, look black
Robocops on q Ure, that's the one I use.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I took that off.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I put some James Cosmetics eye masks on because again,
walk around the house, so I like to double multi whatever.
Usually I would reach from my skin suiticulls see for
a week first.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
But I'm trying.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
And you recently broke in another one.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
No no, no, no, no, I've been quite good. I
normally smashed my expensive things by accident. Because I'm rushing
around trying to multitask. I'm using a new to me
antioxidant serum from cosmetics.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Oh really nice, really like that.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
On top of that, I layered the skin suiticulls ptox,
so that's like a peptide antioxidant one as well.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
You got me onto that.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Then, because it's winter and I'm quite dry moisturized, I
normally would go straight from my two serums to an SPF,
but I'm moisturized and I used I can't remember the brand.
It is a white tube. I've brought it in before
twists up. It's like a gel formula.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Trinny.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
No, we're gonna have to put it in the show notes.
Another cosmeceutical brand after the James Cosmetics. I put on
I cream, the twenty two dollar bubble icrem that you
got me onto. It's so good, phenomenal makeup. Never pills
onto it, just so. It's a great texture for under makeup,
but supernurishing. It's not too light. Then I put on
that moisturize that I can't remember. I can see it
(12:44):
in my head.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I'll link it in the show notes.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
It's okay.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Then today's SPF was make a cosmetica to save face,
because that one's good if you're doing a long day
of makeup because it's formulated like a primer.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
That's our skincare.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
That's okay. I'm so impressed with you though.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Okay, the James Cosmetics and the Led Well, it's why
you're glowing so exceptionally today, am I No, it's what's
happening is depths of winter, child and kindy so still adjusted,
getting into my bed, going here, going there.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I'm so tired and not getting much to sleep. And
also just when you hit forty three or whenever, you
just gravity just take.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
It still the help you can get.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, and I look, I'm not going to sit down
and do a ten or twenty minutes something.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
We have to be still. But both of those steps
I can continue with my preparations.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
There's always so many different things.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, Like that's why I'd love to be a gasher
and a massager, but that involves me standing still and concentrating.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
These are just pop on and can you to.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Get into watching TV on your phone because then you're
but not.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
In the at six in the morning, I've got to
go somewhere.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yeah, I watched an episode of the resident while I
did my makeup and hair and skin care this morning?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
You watch something while you did your makeup?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yes, because I don't like to just sit there, but
I watch then, so.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Don't you have to get things ready?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
No?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Okay, very good.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
So that's what I did this morning, and then obviously
make up on top. And because i'd washed my hair
the night before, I noted that this isn't hair related,
but I beco love the details though. Oh well, I
sleep with it now. If i've I've kind of rough
dried it. But I I had a better bit wet
in center part and then pigtails, but at the back
so I can still go either side so that I
don't wake up, because otherwise it would be chicken crazy head.
(14:19):
I just sleep with two little pigtails, and I take
it out because I'm normally a centerpart, and then I
can starle it. But now it's back. But it looked
good this morning and tonight. What are you going to
do for your skincare?
Speaker 1 (14:31):
You have a bath every night.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I have a bath every single night because it signifies
washing the day of. And then kind of because I
don't like to also stay in my clothes, I put
on what I calls my after school clothes.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
One hundred percent. People that are like wear their dresses
or jeans at home.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Jeans weird and weird normally cleans before I get in
the bath, So I will do a double cleanse at
the moment. I'm using the Nuturium balm cleanser first because
I've run out of the Benefit Professional oil, which I love.
My second cleanses that I'm using is the BioMA. Is
(15:10):
that Oh yes, the one in the yellow Tubby told
me about it. Yeah, it's a yellow tube and it's
kind of like a milk or whatever.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
That's so beautiful. So I'll do a double cleanse.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
People say how do you have time to do your skincare,
or that they'll do it, then they're too tired to
do it or whatnot.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I do all my sons in the bar. Yeah, me
to talk to him. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Or I'll just do a step and come back an
hour later and do another.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
If I do have time for a mask, I love
both Aspect probiotic mask or the Aspect HRD rating mask.
They look exactly the same. I don't have my glasses on.
Sometimes I could have the wrong one. I don't do
this every night, but I do it when I can.
If I'm home early enough and I don't want to
do like my retinol, then I would do probably depending
on the night.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
A retinal step.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
My favorite one at the moment is skin Better Science,
but it's impossible to get because they're.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Having even heard of it.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
It's amazing. It's quite a small known brand Cosmeceutical. I
think it's out of New Zealand, but I think because
Australia is bringing in new laws through TGA for retinol products,
everyone's reformulating to meet their thing, so it's so hard
to get. So I really ration and what I've got there.
My other ones that I really love are the Olah
Hendrickson one. I really like the go To. I think
(16:17):
that's really good. The go To retinal is.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
My great's obsessed with it.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Well because it's orange.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
It's almost like a guide if you're too orange, you've
put too much on. The I cream's great too. So
let's say it's retinal night.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
I'll do that.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
They're I'll try and leave it if I can for
at least five minutes, but oftentimes I'm distracted and I've
gone and done something else that's been there for an hour.
Then I'll pop on a serum and then probably a
sandwich like it.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I'll do heaps of stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
The serum at the moment I'm liking at night is
the Laroche Fise Sickerplass Balm five serum, not the cream.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
There's a serum that sounds very juicy. Oh, it's so good.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
There's even the spray now, Oh, I know, the spray's phenomenal.
It's really good for pumping out chests bits and then
it's probably spread out while I'm telling my sons, but
it's still five minutes.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Yeah total.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, So after that serum, I would either do just
enough cream and are an oil.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I love. There's a vitamin E Planer's Chips.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I don't know the name. We'll have to put in
the show notes. Big tub of vitamin E cream from
I Hearb.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I know exactly the one that you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Love that.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I love all the Jelique face oils or I've been
using a lot of I mean Vaness Egan lately. It
just come over and see what happens. That sounds like
a lot, but it's very quick.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
No, yeah, I don't think it's not like a twenty
one step skincare routine. You've mentioned that uneven skin tone
on MID is more aging than wrinkles.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Well, yeah, I did an episode of Mid, Holly, wayneh
It's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
We can also link that in the Yeah, that was.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Great, not just I'm not saying I was great, It
was a good episode. Holy ask some great questions. So
there's a belief out there or some studies out there
that show that the visual appearance of uneven skin tone
and hyperpigmentation makes someone appear older than wrinkles. And I
explained on there the difference between intrinsic aging and the
fact that wrinkles are gonna happen to you no matter what.
(18:09):
Even if I explained on the episode you're a vampire
in a dark room, wrinkles just happened thanks to gravity,
whereas most of hyperpigmentation and pigmentation are lifestyle related. So
it also depends the demographic that you've studied, because it's
particularly more prevalent in lighter skins, not so much in
darker skins. That's not to say that's not you know,
the case, but yes, for the group's surveyed, people were
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perceived to be older than they were if they had
more uneven tone as opposed to people that had even
tone but more wrinkles. That makes so much sense because
someone that has darker skin generally they age, and I
say age better, like obviously that is Yeah, it's a
hard way to do. I mean animal say that's what
aging doesn't matter where Well, of course it's a good
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thing to age. But my dad's examples never used a
skin care product in his life. But I'd say he
looks younger than he's sixty two years because he's got
that darker skin tone. Yes, so doesn't get yeah the
malasma and yeah, apipitation And obviously this is the study
is done as base around people's perception of someone's exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yes, so she's also subjective.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Yes, if someone could only buy one serum, what type
should it be? So you don't have to say, like
a specific brand, but what ingredient or function?
Speaker 3 (19:25):
For me, it would be vitamin C.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
But I love that you didn't say retinal. Everyone says
a bit different.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Well, I was going to say, if you know, for general,
it would be a vitamin A product only because vitamin
A is the single most studied ingredient in skincare, so
we know the most about it and it's a great
all round of for fading, acne, aging, pigmentation, everything, But
for me, I would choose a vitamin C in the morning.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Love that you've been very honest about treatments over the years.
I mean, I feel like you and I couldn't be
not honest because.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
People see our faces all the time, so to be like,
why do you suddenly look so much gloryer regular facials
to laser ipl what treatments have you tried that you
would do again? And what is your standar on professional
treatments versus at home skincare.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Look, I rarely get you don't have time anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
So back when I was at Cosmo in print magazine,
you know, print media, I thought it was really busy.
You know, we're very lucky in this job. We get
offered facials and treatments all the time. Having the time
to actually go do it though, Yeah, So what is
it July now?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah, we're more than midway through the year and I've
had two facials this year because I don't have the time,
and oh I do. Look, of course I have the time,
but I've got to make up that time elsewhere?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
What would I have done again?
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Well, you recently had a facial that you said was
one of Yeah, it was a Vanessa Megan facial that
was phenomenal because it was results even I felt really glowy.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
But also it was deep massage.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
And like oftentimes when you get to a certain age,
you feel like you have to choose between auchi not
enjoyable results or massage bit fluffy, not really doing much.
This was a bit of both, and it was an hour.
Do not give me an hour and a half, Do
not give me two hours, don't have time. Oh something
I did do once this year that I definitely want
to book in again.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
In Sydney.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
There's a wonderful woman her businesses. She's so well and
I did some lymphatic drainage. It was ninety minutes. That's
what made me think of it, because she did body
and face. I'm a very puffy person, as we've discussed.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
And neither of us have ankles.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I don't have ankles. My face is puffy, just everything.
And there's two types of lymphatic massage. One is like
a very softest yeah, ell no, she it was so
firm and so like it hurt me in a good
way and so enjoyable. And she did all my body
and then she did my face and I did it
on a Friday afternoon, and the way I felt afterwards,
and I really enjoyed that ninety minutes, Whereas normally, as
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someone who can't sit still, I get really edgy in
long treat It takes me almost like if I go
for an hour massage, I probably only relax the last
ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Yeah, I can need to ask how long?
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Like that's why I don't get my nails done when
I go once again watch TV. Well, even when I
get my hair done, my hair dress and nose, he goes, okay, ife,
you go and I walk around them all with all
the things in and my roll bond because I can't
sit still. So anyway, Yeah, that lymphatic drainage massage was
phenomenal and I will book in again, and obviously I
paid for that myself. But you know, you can't replace
diligent at home routine. Having said that, you don't have
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to be so diligent and do every step all the time.
I often fall asleep with my makeup on, or just
use my cellar. But sometimes I cannot be bothered, agreed.
You know, like if I can't be bothered, if I
haven't already fallen asleep on the couch, I will do
my seller and a sleep mask because I'm like, oh,
sleep mask's one step and that's all I have the
energy for. But unless you're a trillionaire who can get
a facial, you know, every few weeks, focus on here
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at home care. Honestly, sometimes people will ask me about
that sort of question, and I'm like, if you've got
three hundred dollars a year or every six months to
spend on your skin care, I wouldn't spend it on
a treatment.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I'd spend it on a really good serum.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, exactly, because it's like, you know, going to the
gym once every six month. Yeah, it's like having one
session with a personal trainer, or you know, downloading an app
where you can do it at home or every.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Day or you know whatever way more efficient and effective. Yeap.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
What do you think is the biggest beauty mistake people
make as they get older? And mistake is like, there
is no mistakes in beauty. It's not saving lives. But
what do you see people doing a lot of that?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
You think oh, as get older in general. Yeah, okay, well,
I think maybe applying blue eye shadow like they did
when they were twenty five years.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Oh, I love that look. Look. I think we all
wish we had a time machine.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Anyone my age to go back and wear sunscreen sooner
it's but it's never too late. Diligent sunscreen goes without saying.
I think just maybe getting losing confidence and then getting
stuck in a rut like I feel like even I
do that because I'm like, I know, am I look
and I'll do that and I won't experiment. But I
think that there's been so many amazing if we're talking makeup,
so many amazing advances in formulas. You know, almost all
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foundations now have skincare in them.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
You're now a blush girl.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I wear blush now because my face started to disappear,
like the color in my face. I got my lips
tattooed on quite a few years ago. My lips ticket
it's pretty much gone now. But I would say, you know,
don't withdraw. I feel like you go, okay, well, you
know I'm too old to have fun with beauty or
you know, it's for the young kids. But oftentimes trying
newer formulas and more fluttering, you know, thinner textures, more glowy,
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mix up your makeup and your brow like I think,
just don't feel like you've had your chance and now
you're setting new ways. We test products for a living
well as part of our job.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
What's living?
Speaker 4 (24:36):
We would die, We would absolutely die and not be
able to pay a mortgage or send our children to
school if we didn't test beauty products. What is the
most overhyped thing in beauty right now that people are
wasting money on? And what do you think is a
recent game changer?
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Recent game changer?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I mean for me, it was when my cellar water,
Like when I got onto biodome and my cellar water
just because I can't, like I literally cannot live without it.
That wasn't recent. Though you've been a fandful I know,
do you love that product? But I just remember, like
this is how old I am. I remember when face
wipes came into the industry and we're all doing face
wipes and then buy and my cellar water came and
I was like, but where's the wipe and they're like,
no you and I was like, oh my god. And
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my skin loved it so much more than face wipes.
I'm trying to think of something more recent that's a
game changer. The new rek So owner all over deodorant
that you can use in other places. I think it's
really clever because it's not glamorous, but it's solving a
problem that a lot of people have. You know, the
world's getting hotter. Our summers are so hot. I'm peary
and I sweat, and it's not all from under my arm.
(25:36):
So I just think answering a problem and being ashamed
about it, just saying deodorant for everywhere, I just thought
that was so clever.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
I cannot wait.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I mean I absolutely can, but for a really hot
day to tends to under my titty, Yes I do too.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I get yours, like both of us. They shouldn't sit
that far down.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
But no matter what, you get that shirt so much
realistic to put on that thing and like put it
under there. So I just think I think any innovation
that's like who cares if it's gross, let's talk about it,
let's deal with it. I think that's where brands is succeeding,
as opposed to Hear's another extent, I think you don't
really need. Yeah, you know, I like saturated you know,
chafing farms, like just all that stuff. It's like, great,
(26:16):
I wanted that. I didn't know who to go to.
Now you've invented it.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Is there something that you haven't ever said, like a
weird beauty tip that you swear by that you.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Think that I'd be, Like what I told you to
use lube in your hair? Well, I told the Ubis
to loose. You did use lube in their hair?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
You did.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I think I've pretty much over shared everything. I've told
everyone to cleanse their ears, but that's a really important one.
When you were cleansing in the shower, cleanse inside your
ears and outside your ears. It's filthy, especially if you
use dry shampoo. And oh my god, is it revaulting?
Like cleanse your ears. That's one of my favorites. And
always like take your skin care up there too, Oh yeah,
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absolutely saggy. Yeah, and like I get quite dry behind there,
so I'll do a sticker plaster or like a Biodermo's
got one too, sincibio, really nice. I've told you to
give your eyebrows a good exfoliant, like because I get
zericis in my eyebrows, so I sometimes give them a
big like spoolly scrub.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I've told you all the weird things I like that.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
You don't gate keep anything stick on toynails. Oh question,
wasn't it. There's no gatekeeping. What do you think that
everyone should be doing in their beauty routine that they
might not be This is controversial and it's expensive.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
So I apologize.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
But the only reason I say it is because when
I stopped, I noticed a big difference ingestible collagen.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I was on it.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
You've been on it.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
For some never You've commitced me so many times. I've
still haven't done it.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
It's fine, Look, I it depends on the brand, and
it also depends on the studies. So years ago I
was on it and then I just run out and forgot,
and everyone said it doesn't do anything, blah blah blah.
And now studies are coming out to say that it
really is great for also your internal health, so joints,
but also hair, skin and nails. And so I literally
have a sashet. Like when I wake up in the morning,
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I go down, I put on my kettle for my
instant coffee, I have my medication, and then I get
my sashet and put it in my water bottle. I
felt my water bottle for the day, and off I go.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
So it's like just.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Part of my routine. And I noticed a big difference.
I mostly notice when I run out. But that is
also why at forty three, my hair grows so fast.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I need to color my roots so much.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
So you're like, I wish, you wish that they would
come up with one that didn't make your hair grow
but did everything correct.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
And my nails.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I don't want my nails to go either, because I
don't actually, yeah, that's I just want glowy skin. And
also like the joint stuff, health stuff. I mean that's
an expensive one. I mean I just wish everyone I've
got another one. I wish that the police could find
people not wearing sunscreen, like I think sunscreen should be
the law. That sounds a bit like dictatory, But you know,
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my father died of melanomo, so I'm allowed to feel
that way. Yeah, and it's the number one best skin
care product ever. You can buy La Parie lamire, you
can get needling, you can do everything you want. If
you're not wearing sunscreen, you have just thrown all that
money in.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
And it's so funny. How many people not funny? But
it's wild how many people still don't like.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I think I was a late coming and I was
in the industry because I was like, oh, I just
like my glow and it makes me feel greasy, and
I broke out.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
They've come a long way, Suns.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
There will be one that you like, all right.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
One last question, because you didn't really give me much
at the start, can you give us a little hint
of what's coming at Brillow?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I tried something?
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Can I ring Teagan.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Over a year ago?
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Oh? Okay, that's coming good?
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Excellent? Because I really liked that.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
I can't tell you.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Okay, So there's three new products coming. One is explicitly
for the area we've already been exploring, the body, oh,
the and the like the bush, and the other two
are for technically different categories. Ooh, I'm getting in so
much trouble.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Don't tell my boss.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
No, No, you haven't given away too much, and so
when can we expect Okay, not the right question, anyone listening.
Do not start a small business. It's the most rewarding
and time consuming and terrifying and exciting thing to do.
But just change a middle name for delay and expensive.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I have too.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Many friends that own bridsinesses to ever consider starting line.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Why do you think I need the led in them?
I'm worrying all night.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yeah, well, love Lily. It has been a delight as always.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Thanks for putting me on the spot. I feel like
I meant to come back to a few but I
think I got out of it. Oh I think, yeah,
we definitely did. We changed the subject a few times.
It has been a delight to church to yours always.
It's so fun to actually just get to ask you questions.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
You should do this?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
No, no, I'm behind the.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Mic in sure you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Anyway, Thank you so much for listening, watching however you've
consumed today's episode.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Thanks for making me come in extra day.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Oh you're welcome.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
By
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
that this podcast is recorded on.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Makeup is my therapy.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm obsess and I don't even feel guilty about it.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Hello, and welcome to you, beauty.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
This is the podcast for your Face and this is
the formula where I take a deep dive or rummage
through the bathroom cabinets of some of the most interesting
people in the beauty industry. And today I dragged in
my co host, the Lovely Lee, because I realized that so.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I just had to take my watch off. I'm getting
distracted because I'm a businesswoman.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
You are a business woman, and that's why I wanted
to bring you back on.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
And full disclosure for everyone that knows, I did not
ask to do this.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
You asked me. It's not like I was saying, Oh,
interview me, Kail.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
We can put the message exchanges say.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I think that that's maybe why we hadn't, because the
formula is about people coming in and talking about their routines,
but they know what they're talking about. In the world
of skincare, it's not just like hey, so I love
their sarahm because it fails good. Yes, but I think
maybe we didn't get you one as a Brillow brand
founder because maybe it was going to come.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Across as biased. But I was like, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
We get lots of brand owners on let's be biased
and let Lee come in here and talk about all
things Brillow. I always listen to the formula, but I've
done no prep. You've given me nothing to go off,
no idea what you're gonna ask me?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I don't know to be honest either, I wrote like
two questions at the start, and the rest is just
whatever our lovely producers come up with. So let's let's
see what she's said.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
You are such beautiful skill.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
But how.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
And we will link episodes where you've been on the
formula or in her bag or whatever it's been called
in the show notes, because we've done some great episodes
career about your career and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
She's listen, she's a very important lady. Lee, start off
please by giving any new bub see what I did there?
That could be listening to a thirty second pitch about
what Rello beauty is.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Relow Beauty is self care essentials for modern motherhoods. So
it's a range of body care products that you can
use in pregnancy and postpartum to take the confusion out
when women are also researching sleep routines and prams and
you know, I should say family, not just women, and
there's a lot of stress around what you can and
can't use. So we just created a range that takes
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you from pregnancy to postpartum and beyond, and of course
anyone can use.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
It's just beautiful body products.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Given your job, I don't think I would be exaggerating
if I said that you had tried tens of thousands
of products. Definitely, So I feel like the decision to
formulate your own wouldn't it been a small one.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
There's just so much out there.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
So how did you approach the formulation process differently with
your bastic experience of trying tens of thousands of body products? Well,
first and foremost, I didn't want to do my own
beauty brand ever, but my best friend and our business
partner came to me it. Yeah, she said, I'm doing this.
She's got a brilliant business brain and successful businesses. And
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then I thought about it. I was like, she's right,
because when I was pregnant I cherry picked you know,
this product, this product, that product, and then I took
a beautiful pack of deliciously scented body care for my
first shower. And then the nurse was like, stop, you
don't want to use anything fragrance. You've just had a baby.
The baby can't see needs to smell your unique smell.
I was like, well, I didn't even know that. So anyway,
(03:47):
that's how the brand came about.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
I used to wipe my sweat and breast milk over yeah,
my son's blanket.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
It's so important, but I didn't know that. You know,
I think I knew what I couldn't couldn't use in pregnancy,
but afterwards I just thought, oh, this will be so delicious. Anyway,
formulating products is interesting. It's bloody hard and it takes
a long time. We don't do it, you know. It's
not us in our bathstup or mixing something at home.
You have a qualified chemist that you work with, and
then you say I want this kind of product, this
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kind of texture.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Generally send them a few benchmarks.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Because they send ben Joint like well, Usually you would
send benchmarks to say I like this texture of this one,
the scent of this one that you know, blah blah blah,
but can we add this ingredient because I love this
ingredient or whatnot. But I think sometimes, you know, not
everyone has everyone has varying knowledges.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
As founders.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
What I did was kind of send benchmarks of what
I didn't like, particularly for the butter, which is our
best seller and currently sold out. Long story, it's a
body butter. But I hate most body butters because they're slippy,
they feel suffocated, they sit on your skin, they don't
sink in. So I sent like ten body butters and
said I hate all of these, and they were like, okay, thanks,
but you.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Know, so helpful. This is what I don't like, so
figure out what I do.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, essentially, really and look, we didn't. Good chemists can
work with that, yeah, And I mean you go through
so many revisions and so oftentimes, you know, I sample seventeen,
You're like, I just want to say yes and get
the ball rolling, but you know it's not quite right.
And having said that, you know, we've got our six
core products at the moment, with three new ones launching soon.
I think we could have done better on a couple
of the first two. So we'll tweak them as time
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goes on, but it's also your opinion. You know. Then
my business partner and I would open them. She would
love one, I wouldn't. And then so you've got a
case study of your family and friends, and you know,
at the end of the day, it's going to be personal.
But I just wanted to put out products that I
would use and buy and stand by as someone in
the industry and loved.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
But you're so right.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Actually, I didn't even think about that from the perspective
that you and Tague and could both try something and
have such vastly different experiences, because it's even like, well,
you might recommend something on in the Friday episode and
then I'm like, oh, yeah, I hated that product at
it because everyone's just so different with what they like,
and it's like, you know, there's no right answer as
long as it's not causing a reaction. But because it's
(05:59):
not active skincare, it's not for your face, it's not
you know, clearing up acne or anything like that, it's
just luxurious body care. It's censorial and it's up to
people's individuals. So you know, her and I have different
favorites within the range.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Well, that's my next question.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Out of the six products, what is your favorite product
and your least favorite product.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
The butter is my favorite, and it's the best body
butter in the whole wide world. Sold out, long story,
coming back soon. My least favorite is the wash. So
we've got the wash and the lotion that are completely
fragrance free, really lightweight, and of course all very safe.
So as soon as you're in the hospital, there's no scent,
so you can use it, but you can also use
it on a newborn. The wash and the lotion, you
(06:40):
think fragrance free, Oh great, you formulate a product you
don't put fragrance in it, but the raw materials have
a smell, a horrific smell. So then you're trying to
formulate a product that has no scent in it, but
also no scent to the nose, like even if it
smells like raw materials.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
So that was really hard. It's fine.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
It's a very thorough but gentle body wash that can
be used on anybody.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
But it's just not exciting.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
It's not exciting, and it's not our best products, but
we will improve it as time comes. And then I
guess the young Sung is the spray, which is a
magnesium spray, so obviously for pregnant women you know, aches
and pains, pregnants and tagnanty people. It's changed my life
and I am one of those people that are kind
of lazy, won't do an extra step if I don't
have to, And then when my sleep is really bad,
(07:24):
which ebbs and flows, I will pop it on the
soles of my feet.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Few sprays. It's an oil.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
You could put something lovest and also you know, you
could spray it. Like my husband's a gym junkie, so
he spraised it on. He's like saw muscles and stuff.
I'm just generally sore and old and tired.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
I'm going to try that tonight because last night for
Melatonins didn't work. So I'm going to try that tonight.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Give it a go.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
If you could make any product in the entire world,
what would.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
It be, then I would be telling you what's coming.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Can't tell you, well, that isn't in the realm of
possibility at the moment. I mean, we get a lot
of requests for a pregnancy safe sunscreen, but all sunscreens
are pregnant. Look, all of our most products are pregnancy safe.
We just want to put them in fun chic packaging
that was great for gifting. The most requested thing we
get is a sunscreen, and I just say, just use
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the you've already been using.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
It's all fine, it's all safe.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
And I'm so expensive to formulate.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
People don't never say never, But I just think there's
so many amazing Australian sunscreens that we wouldn't be adding
something there.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
So we've worked together for years, but I don't think
I've ever asked you well, probably because it might be
a little bit of a weird question to just ask
you off randomly. I want to know what, randomly on
a Friday, when do you feel the most confident within yourself?
Like do you think it's when you're fully made up
or just at home. I know that you've spoken a
lot we both have about getting more confident as we
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get older, which is funny because objectively we're probably not
as hot as what we want.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
For my God, I think I'm aging well and then
I go back through. I had to go onto the
iCloud the other day. I didn't even know where, not
the cloud.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I went into the cloud and I saw all my colleageen.
I was like, there you are you in the plow there.
I have a very obscure answer.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I don't know if it's the most confident or just
the most beautiful, or at peace or just zero fs.
So it's a summer's day. Yeah, I've been at the beach.
Of course, I'm wearing a lot of Spf'm probably with
my kid. Let's face it, and it's hot and blah
blah blah. And then I go back to my accommodation.
Obviously I'm staying same well lovely maybe home and I
have a shower and I just wash all that salt off,
(09:23):
I wash my hair, I get out of the shower
and I moisturize and you just feel so fresh and
cleansed from the ocean and the sun safety.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
And then that shower. There's nothing like an afterbeach shower.
You just feel like.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
This is so neat.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I know, I didn't know that I was gonna ask,
but I've thought about it. It's just what I feel like, Oh, like,
maybe we are peace with your body and peace with
yourself clean and like I did something whole. Maybe it's
still the rays from outside and the ion's what are
in the ocean.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I just love that afterbeach shower. I always just feel.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
I do have a theory that an ocean swim and
a bit of sun will heal most agreed things.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
But then I don't like sand, I hate the feeling
of the sunscreen. I don't like the gritty salt. So
I have the great time at the beach, and then
that shower after the beach, when I get out, that's
the best I ever feel ever, like mind, body, spirit.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Weird right, No, that's not weird, I think because it's
the depth of winter. I'm really missing that feeling. Yeah,
I did see though on stories recently. You did recently
go for a swim.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Oh yeah, we go to the beach most winters because
I have a six year old.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, they don't.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
They've got this thing i've recently learnt called brown fat.
They don't feel the cold the way that we do.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Oh, I know, just insane.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Let's start with the basics.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I want you to walk me through your current skincare routine.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
I know that we always talk about this.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
I recently did a formula episode, not recently, but a
couple of months ago.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
My skincare routines has already changed.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
So like what I used this morning?
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah, and last night, let's do AMPM routine ish take
it with a grain of salt. You're only going to
remember some products, obviously, and she cost nothing.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Okay, this morning I got up very early. Why I
don't know, because I had to be here to do
this with you. No, only joking and child and juggle.
I had showered the night before. Interestingly, I'm normally a
more and hair wash a shower up at nighttimer.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yes, but that's how early it was.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
So I was just going to I just my cellard
my face and then I did my led mask.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Did you yep? I know.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
It's three minutes and I can walk around the house.
It's like straps to my head. I'm like, look black
Robocops on q Ure, that's the one I use.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I took that off.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I put some James Cosmetics eye masks on because again,
walk around the house, so I like to double multi whatever.
Usually I would reach from my skin suiticulls see for
a week first.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
But I'm trying.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
And you recently broke in another one.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
No no, no, no, no, I've been quite good. I
normally smashed my expensive things by accident. Because I'm rushing
around trying to multitask. I'm using a new to me
antioxidant serum from cosmetics.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Oh really nice, really like that.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
On top of that, I layered the skin suiticulls ptox,
so that's like a peptide antioxidant one as well.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
You got me onto that.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Then, because it's winter and I'm quite dry moisturized, I
normally would go straight from my two serums to an SPF,
but I'm moisturized and I used I can't remember the brand.
It is a white tube. I've brought it in before
twists up. It's like a gel formula.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Trinny.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
No, we're gonna have to put it in the show notes.
Another cosmeceutical brand after the James Cosmetics. I put on
I cream, the twenty two dollar bubble icrem that you
got me onto. It's so good, phenomenal makeup. Never pills
onto it, just so. It's a great texture for under makeup,
but supernurishing. It's not too light. Then I put on
that moisturize that I can't remember. I can see it
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in my head.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I'll link it in the show notes.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
It's okay.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Then today's SPF was make a cosmetica to save face,
because that one's good if you're doing a long day
of makeup because it's formulated like a primer.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
That's our skincare.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
That's okay. I'm so impressed with you though.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Okay, the James Cosmetics and the Led Well, it's why
you're glowing so exceptionally today, am I No, it's what's
happening is depths of winter, child and kindy so still adjusted,
getting into my bed, going here, going there.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I'm so tired and not getting much to sleep. And
also just when you hit forty three or whenever, you
just gravity just take.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
It still the help you can get.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, and I look, I'm not going to sit down
and do a ten or twenty minutes something.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
We have to be still. But both of those steps
I can continue with my preparations.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
There's always so many different things.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, Like that's why I'd love to be a gasher
and a massager, but that involves me standing still and concentrating.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
These are just pop on and can you to.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Get into watching TV on your phone because then you're
but not.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
In the at six in the morning, I've got to
go somewhere.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yeah, I watched an episode of the resident while I
did my makeup and hair and skin care this morning?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
You watch something while you did your makeup?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yes, because I don't like to just sit there, but
I watch then, so.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Don't you have to get things ready?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
No?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Okay, very good.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
So that's what I did this morning, and then obviously
make up on top. And because i'd washed my hair
the night before, I noted that this isn't hair related,
but I beco love the details though. Oh well, I
sleep with it now. If i've I've kind of rough
dried it. But I I had a better bit wet
in center part and then pigtails, but at the back
so I can still go either side so that I
don't wake up, because otherwise it would be chicken crazy head.
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I just sleep with two little pigtails, and I take
it out because I'm normally a centerpart, and then I
can starle it. But now it's back. But it looked
good this morning and tonight. What are you going to
do for your skincare?
Speaker 1 (14:31):
You have a bath every night.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I have a bath every single night because it signifies
washing the day of. And then kind of because I
don't like to also stay in my clothes, I put
on what I calls my after school clothes.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
One hundred percent. People that are like wear their dresses
or jeans at home.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Jeans weird and weird normally cleans before I get in
the bath, So I will do a double cleanse at
the moment. I'm using the Nuturium balm cleanser first because
I've run out of the Benefit Professional oil, which I love.
My second cleanses that I'm using is the BioMA. Is
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that Oh yes, the one in the yellow Tubby told
me about it. Yeah, it's a yellow tube and it's
kind of like a milk or whatever.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
That's so beautiful. So I'll do a double cleanse.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
People say how do you have time to do your skincare,
or that they'll do it, then they're too tired to
do it or whatnot.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I do all my sons in the bar. Yeah, me
to talk to him. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Or I'll just do a step and come back an
hour later and do another.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
If I do have time for a mask, I love
both Aspect probiotic mask or the Aspect HRD rating mask.
They look exactly the same. I don't have my glasses on.
Sometimes I could have the wrong one. I don't do
this every night, but I do it when I can.
If I'm home early enough and I don't want to
do like my retinol, then I would do probably depending
on the night.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
A retinal step.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
My favorite one at the moment is skin Better Science,
but it's impossible to get because they're.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Having even heard of it.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
It's amazing. It's quite a small known brand Cosmeceutical. I
think it's out of New Zealand, but I think because
Australia is bringing in new laws through TGA for retinol products,
everyone's reformulating to meet their thing, so it's so hard
to get. So I really ration and what I've got there.
My other ones that I really love are the Olah
Hendrickson one. I really like the go To. I think
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that's really good. The go To retinal is.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
My great's obsessed with it.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Well because it's orange.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
It's almost like a guide if you're too orange, you've
put too much on. The I cream's great too. So
let's say it's retinal night.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
I'll do that.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
They're I'll try and leave it if I can for
at least five minutes, but oftentimes I'm distracted and I've
gone and done something else that's been there for an hour.
Then I'll pop on a serum and then probably a
sandwich like it.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I'll do heaps of stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
The serum at the moment I'm liking at night is
the Laroche Fise Sickerplass Balm five serum, not the cream.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
There's a serum that sounds very juicy. Oh, it's so good.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
There's even the spray now, Oh, I know, the spray's phenomenal.
It's really good for pumping out chests bits and then
it's probably spread out while I'm telling my sons, but
it's still five minutes.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Yeah total.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, So after that serum, I would either do just
enough cream and are an oil.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I love. There's a vitamin E Planer's Chips.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I don't know the name. We'll have to put in
the show notes. Big tub of vitamin E cream from
I Hearb.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I know exactly the one that you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Love that.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I love all the Jelique face oils or I've been
using a lot of I mean Vaness Egan lately. It
just come over and see what happens. That sounds like
a lot, but it's very quick.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
No, yeah, I don't think it's not like a twenty
one step skincare routine. You've mentioned that uneven skin tone
on MID is more aging than wrinkles.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Well, yeah, I did an episode of Mid, Holly, wayneh
It's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
We can also link that in the Yeah, that was.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Great, not just I'm not saying I was great, It
was a good episode. Holy ask some great questions. So
there's a belief out there or some studies out there
that show that the visual appearance of uneven skin tone
and hyperpigmentation makes someone appear older than wrinkles. And I
explained on there the difference between intrinsic aging and the
fact that wrinkles are gonna happen to you no matter what.
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Even if I explained on the episode you're a vampire
in a dark room, wrinkles just happened thanks to gravity,
whereas most of hyperpigmentation and pigmentation are lifestyle related. So
it also depends the demographic that you've studied, because it's
particularly more prevalent in lighter skins, not so much in
darker skins. That's not to say that's not you know,
the case, but yes, for the group's surveyed, people were
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perceived to be older than they were if they had
more uneven tone as opposed to people that had even
tone but more wrinkles. That makes so much sense because
someone that has darker skin generally they age, and I
say age better, like obviously that is Yeah, it's a
hard way to do. I mean animal say that's what
aging doesn't matter where Well, of course it's a good
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thing to age. But my dad's examples never used a
skin care product in his life. But I'd say he
looks younger than he's sixty two years because he's got
that darker skin tone. Yes, so doesn't get yeah the
malasma and yeah, apipitation And obviously this is the study
is done as base around people's perception of someone's exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yes, so she's also subjective.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Yes, if someone could only buy one serum, what type
should it be? So you don't have to say, like
a specific brand, but what ingredient or function?
Speaker 3 (19:25):
For me, it would be vitamin C.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
But I love that you didn't say retinal. Everyone says
a bit different.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Well, I was going to say, if you know, for general,
it would be a vitamin A product only because vitamin
A is the single most studied ingredient in skincare, so
we know the most about it and it's a great
all round of for fading, acne, aging, pigmentation, everything, But
for me, I would choose a vitamin C in the morning.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Love that you've been very honest about treatments over the years.
I mean, I feel like you and I couldn't be
not honest because.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
People see our faces all the time, so to be like,
why do you suddenly look so much gloryer regular facials
to laser ipl what treatments have you tried that you
would do again? And what is your standar on professional
treatments versus at home skincare.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Look, I rarely get you don't have time anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
So back when I was at Cosmo in print magazine,
you know, print media, I thought it was really busy.
You know, we're very lucky in this job. We get
offered facials and treatments all the time. Having the time
to actually go do it though, Yeah, So what is
it July now?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah, we're more than midway through the year and I've
had two facials this year because I don't have the time,
and oh I do. Look, of course I have the time,
but I've got to make up that time elsewhere?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
What would I have done again?
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Well, you recently had a facial that you said was
one of Yeah, it was a Vanessa Megan facial that
was phenomenal because it was results even I felt really glowy.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
But also it was deep massage.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
And like oftentimes when you get to a certain age,
you feel like you have to choose between auchi not
enjoyable results or massage bit fluffy, not really doing much.
This was a bit of both, and it was an hour.
Do not give me an hour and a half, Do
not give me two hours, don't have time. Oh something
I did do once this year that I definitely want
to book in again.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
In Sydney.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
There's a wonderful woman her businesses. She's so well and
I did some lymphatic drainage. It was ninety minutes. That's
what made me think of it, because she did body
and face. I'm a very puffy person, as we've discussed.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
And neither of us have ankles.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I don't have ankles. My face is puffy, just everything.
And there's two types of lymphatic massage. One is like
a very softest yeah, ell no, she it was so
firm and so like it hurt me in a good
way and so enjoyable. And she did all my body
and then she did my face and I did it
on a Friday afternoon, and the way I felt afterwards,
and I really enjoyed that ninety minutes, Whereas normally, as
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someone who can't sit still, I get really edgy in
long treat It takes me almost like if I go
for an hour massage, I probably only relax the last
ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Yeah, I can need to ask how long?
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Like that's why I don't get my nails done when
I go once again watch TV. Well, even when I
get my hair done, my hair dress and nose, he goes, okay, ife,
you go and I walk around them all with all
the things in and my roll bond because I can't
sit still. So anyway, Yeah, that lymphatic drainage massage was
phenomenal and I will book in again, and obviously I
paid for that myself. But you know, you can't replace
diligent at home routine. Having said that, you don't have
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to be so diligent and do every step all the time.
I often fall asleep with my makeup on, or just
use my cellar. But sometimes I cannot be bothered, agreed.
You know, like if I can't be bothered, if I
haven't already fallen asleep on the couch, I will do
my seller and a sleep mask because I'm like, oh,
sleep mask's one step and that's all I have the
energy for. But unless you're a trillionaire who can get
a facial, you know, every few weeks, focus on here
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at home care. Honestly, sometimes people will ask me about
that sort of question, and I'm like, if you've got
three hundred dollars a year or every six months to
spend on your skin care, I wouldn't spend it on
a treatment.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I'd spend it on a really good serum.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, exactly, because it's like, you know, going to the
gym once every six month. Yeah, it's like having one
session with a personal trainer, or you know, downloading an app
where you can do it at home or every.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Day or you know whatever way more efficient and effective. Yeap.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
What do you think is the biggest beauty mistake people
make as they get older? And mistake is like, there
is no mistakes in beauty. It's not saving lives. But
what do you see people doing a lot of that?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
You think oh, as get older in general. Yeah, okay, well,
I think maybe applying blue eye shadow like they did
when they were twenty five years.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Oh, I love that look. Look. I think we all
wish we had a time machine.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Anyone my age to go back and wear sunscreen sooner
it's but it's never too late. Diligent sunscreen goes without saying.
I think just maybe getting losing confidence and then getting
stuck in a rut like I feel like even I
do that because I'm like, I know, am I look
and I'll do that and I won't experiment. But I
think that there's been so many amazing if we're talking makeup,
so many amazing advances in formulas. You know, almost all
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foundations now have skincare in them.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
You're now a blush girl.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I wear blush now because my face started to disappear,
like the color in my face. I got my lips
tattooed on quite a few years ago. My lips ticket
it's pretty much gone now. But I would say, you know,
don't withdraw. I feel like you go, okay, well, you
know I'm too old to have fun with beauty or
you know, it's for the young kids. But oftentimes trying
newer formulas and more fluttering, you know, thinner textures, more glowy,
(24:23):
mix up your makeup and your brow like I think,
just don't feel like you've had your chance and now
you're setting new ways. We test products for a living
well as part of our job.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
What's living?
Speaker 4 (24:36):
We would die, We would absolutely die and not be
able to pay a mortgage or send our children to
school if we didn't test beauty products. What is the
most overhyped thing in beauty right now that people are
wasting money on? And what do you think is a
recent game changer?
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Recent game changer?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I mean for me, it was when my cellar water,
Like when I got onto biodome and my cellar water
just because I can't, like I literally cannot live without it.
That wasn't recent. Though you've been a fandful I know,
do you love that product? But I just remember, like
this is how old I am. I remember when face
wipes came into the industry and we're all doing face
wipes and then buy and my cellar water came and
I was like, but where's the wipe and they're like,
no you and I was like, oh my god. And
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my skin loved it so much more than face wipes.
I'm trying to think of something more recent that's a
game changer. The new rek So owner all over deodorant
that you can use in other places. I think it's
really clever because it's not glamorous, but it's solving a
problem that a lot of people have. You know, the
world's getting hotter. Our summers are so hot. I'm peary
and I sweat, and it's not all from under my arm.
(25:36):
So I just think answering a problem and being ashamed
about it, just saying deodorant for everywhere, I just thought
that was so clever.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
I cannot wait.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I mean I absolutely can, but for a really hot
day to tends to under my titty, Yes I do too.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I get yours, like both of us. They shouldn't sit
that far down.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
But no matter what, you get that shirt so much
realistic to put on that thing and like put it
under there. So I just think I think any innovation
that's like who cares if it's gross, let's talk about it,
let's deal with it. I think that's where brands is succeeding,
as opposed to Hear's another extent, I think you don't
really need. Yeah, you know, I like saturated you know,
chafing farms, like just all that stuff. It's like, great,
(26:16):
I wanted that. I didn't know who to go to.
Now you've invented it.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Is there something that you haven't ever said, like a
weird beauty tip that you swear by that you.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Think that I'd be, Like what I told you to
use lube in your hair? Well, I told the Ubis
to loose. You did use lube in their hair?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
You did.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I think I've pretty much over shared everything. I've told
everyone to cleanse their ears, but that's a really important one.
When you were cleansing in the shower, cleanse inside your
ears and outside your ears. It's filthy, especially if you
use dry shampoo. And oh my god, is it revaulting?
Like cleanse your ears. That's one of my favorites. And
always like take your skin care up there too, Oh yeah,
(26:51):
absolutely saggy. Yeah, and like I get quite dry behind there,
so I'll do a sticker plaster or like a Biodermo's
got one too, sincibio, really nice. I've told you to
give your eyebrows a good exfoliant, like because I get
zericis in my eyebrows, so I sometimes give them a
big like spoolly scrub.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I've told you all the weird things I like that.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
You don't gate keep anything stick on toynails. Oh question,
wasn't it. There's no gatekeeping. What do you think that
everyone should be doing in their beauty routine that they
might not be This is controversial and it's expensive.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
So I apologize.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
But the only reason I say it is because when
I stopped, I noticed a big difference ingestible collagen.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I was on it.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
You've been on it.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
For some never You've commitced me so many times. I've
still haven't done it.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
It's fine, Look, I it depends on the brand, and
it also depends on the studies. So years ago I
was on it and then I just run out and forgot,
and everyone said it doesn't do anything, blah blah blah.
And now studies are coming out to say that it
really is great for also your internal health, so joints,
but also hair, skin and nails. And so I literally
have a sashet. Like when I wake up in the morning,
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I go down, I put on my kettle for my
instant coffee, I have my medication, and then I get
my sashet and put it in my water bottle. I
felt my water bottle for the day, and off I go.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
So it's like just.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Part of my routine. And I noticed a big difference.
I mostly notice when I run out. But that is
also why at forty three, my hair grows so fast.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I need to color my roots so much.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
So you're like, I wish, you wish that they would
come up with one that didn't make your hair grow
but did everything correct.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
And my nails.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I don't want my nails to go either, because I
don't actually, yeah, that's I just want glowy skin. And
also like the joint stuff, health stuff. I mean that's
an expensive one. I mean I just wish everyone I've
got another one. I wish that the police could find
people not wearing sunscreen, like I think sunscreen should be
the law. That sounds a bit like dictatory, But you know,
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my father died of melanomo, so I'm allowed to feel
that way. Yeah, and it's the number one best skin
care product ever. You can buy La Parie lamire, you
can get needling, you can do everything you want. If
you're not wearing sunscreen, you have just thrown all that
money in.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
And it's so funny. How many people not funny? But
it's wild how many people still don't like.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I think I was a late coming and I was
in the industry because I was like, oh, I just
like my glow and it makes me feel greasy, and
I broke out.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
They've come a long way, Suns.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
There will be one that you like, all right.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
One last question, because you didn't really give me much
at the start, can you give us a little hint
of what's coming at Brillow?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I tried something?
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Can I ring Teagan.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Over a year ago?
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Oh? Okay, that's coming good?
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Excellent? Because I really liked that.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
I can't tell you.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Okay, So there's three new products coming. One is explicitly
for the area we've already been exploring, the body, oh,
the and the like the bush, and the other two
are for technically different categories. Ooh, I'm getting in so
much trouble.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Don't tell my boss.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
No, No, you haven't given away too much, and so
when can we expect Okay, not the right question, anyone listening.
Do not start a small business. It's the most rewarding
and time consuming and terrifying and exciting thing to do.
But just change a middle name for delay and expensive.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I have too.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Many friends that own bridsinesses to ever consider starting line.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Why do you think I need the led in them?
I'm worrying all night.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yeah, well, love Lily. It has been a delight as always.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Thanks for putting me on the spot. I feel like
I meant to come back to a few but I
think I got out of it. Oh I think, yeah,
we definitely did. We changed the subject a few times.
It has been a delight to church to yours always.
It's so fun to actually just get to ask you questions.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
You should do this?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
No, no, I'm behind the.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Mic in sure you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Anyway, Thank you so much for listening, watching however you've
consumed today's episode.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Thanks for making me come in extra day.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Oh you're welcome.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
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